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ADJOURNS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT DON'T GO HOME YET.

[1. Call to Order.]

IT'S TIME FOR OUR SIGN BOARD MEETING. MAY 22ND.

HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.

NO CHAIRMAN COMMENTS MOVED. ITEM FIVE. CONSIDERATION.

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the May 8, 2025 Sign Board Meeting.]

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 8TH, 2025 SIGN BOARD MEETING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

OKAY. MULTIPLE SECONDS AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. ON THAT NOTE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THIS ENTHUSIASM FOR SIGN BOARD.

[6. Consider: SV25-0005, Sign Variance for OuchOrtho Pediatric Orthopedics, located at 431 East State Highway 114, Suite 120]

WELL ADDRESS OUR ONE AND ONLY ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION ON OUR AGENDA ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A SIGN VARIANCE FOR.

OUCH. ORTHO. PEDIATRIC ORTHOPEDICS. DID I SAY THAT? RIGHT? YES. THIS IS FOR ORTHO PEDIATRICS. THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SIGN VARIANCE.

VARIANTS, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A VARIANCE FROM THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR FOREST PARK MEDICAL CENTER AND THAT'S AT 431 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND THEY'RE AT SUITE 120. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. THIS IS THEIR LEASE LOCATION.

THIS IS JUST SHOWING WHERE THE SIGN WILL BE AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOREST PARK MEDICAL CENTER VERSUS METHODIST HOSPITAL. THERE WAS A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR FOREST MEDICAL PARK THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2015.

AND THIS WAS PART OF IT HERE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

IT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED A SIGN FOR TENANT THREE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO GO.

BUT IT HAD TO MATCH SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL. SO THIS IS WHAT THE SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL SIGN LOOKED LIKE.

THERE IS CURRENTLY A SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY SIGN UP THERE.

AND THE PREVIOUS TENANT IN THIS LOCATION WAS CLINIC 21.

SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY GOT A VARIANCE. TO HAVE THAT SIGN PERMITTED? THERE WAS NO APPROVAL FOR THAT SPECIFIC SIGN WITH THE FOREST PARK MEDICAL CENTER APPROVAL.

THEY DID SAY THAT A SIGN WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO THAT'S HOW SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY GOT APPROVED IN THAT LOCATION. SO FAST FORWARD AND AS YOU RECALL, WE DID HAVE A REVISED MASTER SIGN PLAN WHEN THE HOSPITAL WAS REBRANDED TO METHODIST.

SO THE SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL SIGN BECAME METHODIST AND IT JUST WAS NOT ADDRESSED FOR THESE TENANTS.

THE ADDITIONAL TENANTS IN THESE, IN THIS BUILDING THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN. SO THE FOREST PARK MEDICAL CENTER SIGN PLAN STILL APPLIES TO THIS BUILDING, TO THIS SPECIFIC TENANT. IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.

SO THE SPECIFIC VARIANCES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING THE SIGN MEETS IN ALL REGARDS REGARDING SIGN AREA SIGN PLACEMENT.

WITH ALL OF THAT, EXCEPT FOR THE LETTER STYLE AND THE SIGN COLOR AS I SAID, IT HAD TO MATCH THE SIGN FOR THE SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL BUILDING AND THE COLOR WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DARK BRONZE.

THE FONT IS DIFFERENT, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A BLUE AND RED SIGN.

THIS IS THE SIGN RENDERING OF WHAT THE SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT.

AND THEN WE JUST HAVE SOME SITE PHOTOS, VARIOUS SIGNS IN THE MEDICAL CENTER AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'M KIND OF TIRED, BUT DID YOU BASICALLY SAY EVERY SIGN ON HERE NO LONGER REALLY IS ADHERING TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN? AND SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ALSO NOT ADHERE TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN NOW LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.

YES. UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS JUST KIND OF AN OVERSIGHT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SIGN.

THIS WAS LIKE KIND OF THE ONE, I GUESS REMAINING SIGN THAT WASN'T HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.

I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO SAY SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY, BUT SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY WAS ONLY ALLOWED VIA VARIANCE.

SO IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR TENANT WAS A HOLDOVER FROM THE FOREST PARK MEDICAL CENTER MASTER SIGN PLAN.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS MAYBE TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT, MAYBE PHRASED DIFFERENTLY.

THERE WAS AN OLD MASTER SIGN PLAN, AND NOW THERE'S A NEW MASTER SIGN PLAN, AND SOME THAT WERE DONE PREVIOUSLY DON'T CONFORM WITH THE NEW ONE.

CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT OR AM I? WELL, THE NEW ONE FOR METHODIST JUST DIDN'T ADDRESS THIS SIGN, LOCATION OR ANY SIGNS ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

OKAY, SO IT JUST DEFAULTS TO THE FOREST PARK MEDICAL CENTER.

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AND THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES 114.

YES, IT FACES 114. THE MOST CRITICAL ONE. YEAH.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

SO. WELL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SIGNS LEFT THAT ARE BRONZE? THE SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY SIGN. IT DOESN'T LOOK BRONZE IN THIS PICTURE, BUT IT IS BRONZE AND THIS SIGN IS NOT EXISTING TODAY.

CORRECT. IT IS NOT EXISTING. THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

NOT THAT WOULD MATTER TO ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CHECK.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MAYBE BEFORE WE CALL THE APPLICANT UP, JUST TO KIND OF EXCHANGE SENTIMENTS, THEN WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS IT.

LEADING OFF WITH DOCTOR SPRINGER. I HAVEN'T SEEN A SIGN THIS BAD SINCE PRETTY KITTY.

IT'S. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW I FOLLOW THAT ONE.

BOY. I MIGHT STATE MY FEELINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, PARTICULARLY IN THIS LOCATION ALONG THE FREEWAY.

IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR A VARIANCE, I THINK THERE'S A REASON IT WAS PUT IN THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, AND I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF VARYING FROM IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER PEOPLE FEEL SAFE.

BUT IS THAT MASTER SIGN PLAN THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN REPLACED ON ALL OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING. IS THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THAT'S ALL I CAN. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I CAN FALL BACK TO.

SO IS THERE A POTENTIAL COMPROMISE TO WHERE YOU ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THEIR LOGO AND FONT AND WHATNOT? SO THAT WOULD MATCH THEIR FONT, BUT LET IT COLOR GO BACK TO THE BRONZE, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE BRONZE OF THE SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY. IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THE LETTER STYLE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. THE LETTER STYLE FONT AND THE LOGO WOULD BE THAT'S ONE VARIANCE THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

SO ALLOW THAT. BUT NOT ALLOW THE RED AND BLUE.

CAN I HAVE IT BE BRONZE SO THAT IT MATCHES THE SOUTHWEST DERMATOLOGY? CAN I ASK STAFF I GUESS IS THE INTENT THERE ON LETTER STYLE? YOU KNOW, THE I GUESS I CAN'T READ THAT KIND OF ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE.

I MEAN, IS THE INTENT THAT ANY AND ALL SIGNS ON THE BUILDING WOULD BE KIND OF THE SAME FONT? IS THAT THE INTENT TO KIND OF MATCH UP? YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THEIR INTENT.

BUT THEY REALLY ONLY APPROVED ONE SIGN, ONE TENANT SIGN.

SO THIS AT THIS LOCATION. SO THERE WEREN'T LIKE.

YEAH, NUMEROUS SIGNS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO MATCH.

I MEAN, I'LL DEFER TO OTHERS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE TENANT IN A PARTICULAR HARDSHIP BY THE FONT.

BUT SIGNS ARE VERY SUBJECTIVE. FOR ME, IT'S THE RED FONT TOO.

BUT THE RED IS THE THING THAT IS PROBABLY MOST BOTHERSOME TO ME.

OKAY, HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? HOW MANY APPEAR ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE SECOND ONE? THE SIGN COLOR ASPECT. OKAY. SO OKAY. HOW MANY ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE LETTER STYLE PIECE.

OKAY. SO MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE YOUR MOTION IF YOU WANT TO CRAFT IT AS SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE MAYBE ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIGN COLOR VARIANCE, BUT ARE ON THE LETTER STYLE. BUT WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP REAL QUICK.

WE JUST WANT TO. BEFORE YOU COME UP, FEEL FREE TO COME UP.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU GET UP HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE LEANING AND JUST FEEL FREE TO WEIGH IN AND KIND OF NAME AND ADDRESS AND KIND OF LET US KNOW ANYTHING WE MIGHT BE MISSING OR.

YEAH. I'M NICK KARAM. I LIVE AT 2604 PEMBERTON DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

OKAY. I GUESS HOPEFULLY, I GUESS YOU'RE KIND OF HEARING IT.

I THINK WE'RE STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE SIGN COLOR, BUT MAYBE SOME OTHERS MIGHT BE OKAY WITH THE LETTER STYLE.

I MEAN, ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? YEAH. SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THAT THIS SIGN WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE BUILDING.

WE HEAR THAT IN ABOUT EVERY SINGLE CASE IN FRONT OF US, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

YEAH. IT'S OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S IT WAS THE FIRST I'D EVER HEARD TO SAY IT.

YEAH AND SO THE BUILDING AGREED. THEY WEREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THIS WAS STILL A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR THEIR BUILDING.

OKAY. AND SO WHENEVER I DISCUSSED WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON.

BASICALLY, THEY JUST TOLD ME, WELL, SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT TO GET IT APPROVED, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT. HE SIGNED A LEASE. HE'S MOVING IN. AND YOU KNOW,

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WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FILING, I GUESS, AN ADDENDUM TO THE MASTER SIGN PLAN VERSUS DOING THE VARIANCE AND THEN UNDER, YOU KNOW, UNDER DIRECTION OF MY TEAM AROUND ME, I WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO BECAUSE GETTING THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL SIGN PLAN REVISED WAS GOING TO BE WAS GOING TO BE MORE COMPLICATED AND I'M NOT SURE MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BETTER WAY TO GO.

I AM WONDERING THE SAME THING PERSONALLY, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN COMMUNICATE THAT WAY.

I MEAN, I THINK WITH ALL THESE SIGNS WE TRY NOT TO APPROACH THEM ONE OFF.

WE TRY TO APPROACH THEM HOLISTICALLY TO KEEP CONSISTENT THEMES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDINGS AND SO I THINK MAYBE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A COHESIVE, CONSISTENT MASTER SITE PLAN AMENDMENT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BETTER ROUTE TO GO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU. I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON IT TONIGHT IF YOU WANT, OR YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO TABLE IT IF YOU WANT.

BUT WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. IT'LL BE A RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION IS.

WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE ON LETTER STYLE, MAYBE NOT SUPPORTIVE ON COLOR.

WOULD MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE EITHER WAY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL. SO IT'S UP TO YOU IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH US TAKING A VOTE, WE'RE HAPPY TO. YEAH. NO, I'M I THINK THAT WE HEAR THE VOTE AND THEN I GIVE DIRECTION TO MY CUSTOMER AND SEE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO MOVING FORWARD.

THAT SOUNDS PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. THEN I GUESS MAYBE.

ARE YOU GOOD TO CRAFT A MOTION? SURE. [INAUDIBLE].

ENTHUSIASM. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA SV25-0005, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 16TH, 2025, SPECIFICALLY APPROVING THE LETTER STYLE. I DON'T HAVE THAT UP IN FRONT OF ME AGAIN.

LETTER STYLE, BUT DENYING THE COLOR VARIANCE.

I THINK YOU GOT IT RIGHT. YEP. YOU GOT IT. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? STAFF. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO VOTE, PLEASE. AND PASSES 5 TO 2.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT ONE. FEEL FREE TO KIND OF EXPLAIN IT WITH YOUR CLIENT. THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED SO THEY CAN ALWAYS WATCH IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. AND ASSUMING YOU MARCH IT FORWARD.

THEN IT WILL BE AT OUR JUNE 3RD MEETING. CORRECT? CORRECT AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.