Jun 03, 2025 City Council

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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO OUR JUNE 3RD, 2025 SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[I. Call to order.]

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY IN THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING AT HOME ON THEIR TV OR STREAMING.

WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA AS ALWAYS. BUT FIRST, WE'LL START OFF AS WE DO EVERY MEETING WITH A WORD OF PRAYER FROM OUR OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN, PASTOR CLAYTON REED FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH.

AND THEN IF YOU WOULD, AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS.

PASTOR REED. LET'S PRAY. DEAR LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND THE HELP THAT YOU GIVE US.

LORD, I THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY AND I PRAY BLESSING OVER IT.

AND I PRAY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH OUR STUDENTS AS THEY'RE OUT OF SCHOOL.

WE JUST PRAY BLESSING AND PROTECTION AND MERCY FOR EVERY FAMILY WHO WILL BE TRAVELING.

WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TOWN AND ITS COMMITMENT TO KIDS AND WE PRAY BLESSING OVER THEM.

LORD, WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR STUDENTS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO GO INTO OUR MILITARY, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEIR DECISIONS, THEIR LIVES, THEIR FAMILIES, FILL THEIR HEARTS WITH PEACE, THEIR PARENTS WITH STRENGTH AND I PRAY THAT THEY WOULD HONOR THEIR COUNTRY AND HONOR YOU BY THEIR SERVICE. LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNCIL.

WE PRAY AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AND THEY DELIBERATE TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM, FILL THEM WITH INTEGRITY AND WE PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD HELP THEM AS THEY LEAD OUR CITY ALONG WITH OUR STAFF AND TEAM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS. THANK YOU MOST OF ALL FOR JESUS CHRIST AND HIS WORK ON THE CROSS.

AND IT'S IN HIS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED.

AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

AND THE TEXAS PLEDGE. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED.

NEXT ITEM IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER 3 SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITY UPDATE.

[3. Southlake Sister City Update]

WELCOME, SIR. WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. THE CITY MANAGER, CITY SECRETARY, AND CITY COUNCILMEMBER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ALLOW US. A LONG TIME AGO. YEAH, I THINK SO, YEAH.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO AS MOST PEOPLE KNOW, SUSSEX THE CITY WAS FORMED IN 1991.

SO AS OF TODAY IT IS 34 YEARS. AND I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE A MEMBER FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

SO YES, I'M NOT OLD. YEAH. AND BASICALLY WE HAVE A TWO TIER OF LEADERSHIP TEAM.

WE HAVE BOTH DIRECTOR AND CURRENTLY I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE SUSSEX CITY.

WE ALSO HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT AND THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLEY.

AND ALSO WE ALSO HAVE THE FORMER SOUTHLAKE FIRST LADY, JOANNE TERRELL, AS OUR SECRETARY.

A FEW OTHER BOARD DIRECTORS, ACTUALLY, AND THE YOUTH BOARD MEMBER ACTUALLY ON THE WAY, BECAUSE THIS IS SUMMER, A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND SO THEY MAY SHOW UP ANYTIME, AND I'LL TRY NOT TO PROLONG MY SPEECH.

HOPEFULLY I CAN CATCH IT AT THE END. STARTING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY KIND OF MODIFIED THE YOUTH BOARD OF THE SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES.

IN THE PAST THEY BASICALLY THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE, SO WE TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND THEY WILL PERFORM, THEY WILL DO IT. BUT TWO YEARS AGO WE KIND OF LIKE WANT TO TRAIN THEM TO BE A LEADER OF THE NEXT GENERATION.

SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF PNU.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESIDENT, WE LET THEM CALL A MEETING.

WE LET THEM TAKE THE MINUTE WE LET THEM MAKE THE MOTION, WE LET THEM CREATE AN IDEA.

AND AS A SUPERVISOR, THEN WE CAN COME AS A CHECK AND BALANCE TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GET OUT OF LINE.

SO THEY PUT IN A LOT OF TIME. EVERY MONTH THEY MEET IN THE CHAMPIONS CLUB FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, AND THEN THEY CARRY ON THE PROJECT. SO CURRENTLY ARE WE GOING TO CALL THEM UP TO THE END, CURRENTLY THIS YEAR WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.

THE NEW PRESIDENT IS HUGO DUGUAY. AND THEN FIRST VICE PRESIDENT IS RUN BY RYAN VU AND CAMERON PATEL, HE'S ACTUALLY HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE A SECRETARY DARIEN KAWAI, THEN TREASURER VARUN

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THE BOARD MEMBER. SO BASICALLY THEY CARRY ON THE DUTY.

THEN WE ALSO CREATE A POSITION EX OFFICIO. THAT WAS THE IMMEDIATE PAST PRESIDENT.

THAT'S THE PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, HE WAS THE THE PRESIDENT OF YOUTH BOARD IN 2024.

SO HE WAS SITTING THERE BASICALLY AS AN ADVISOR ALONG WITH OUR YOUTH BOARD ADVISOR, VALERIE.

I GUESS I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT ONE, IS DUSSAULT.

BUT AGAIN, WE ALSO HAVE BOARD MEMBER CAROLINE INOUYE, SHE HAS ALSO SERVED AS A BOARD ADVISOR.

OKAY. LET'S SEE. OKAY. THE MISSION IS FAIRLY EASY BECAUSE THE MISSION IS MANY.

WE JUST TRY TO FOSTER THE GLOBAL UNDERSTANDING AND FRIENDSHIP, AND THEN A COMMUNICATION THROUGH THE EDUCATION AND EXCHANGE AND TO CONDUCT A CROSS-CULTURAL EXCHANGE WITH FOREIGN CITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

SO IT IS KIND OF EASY, BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD BECAUSE WHEN A STUDENT IS TRYING TO VOLUNTEER, THEY CANNOT JUST VOLUNTEER ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S A MEMBER OF SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITY.

THE VOLUNTEER ACTIVITY HAS TO BE TIED TO THE CULTURAL EXCHANGE OR EDUCATION UNDERSTANDING.

AS OF TODAY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE SISTER CITY, TOME, A CITY IN JAPAN, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY AS TOYAMA WAY BACK 30, THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW SISTER CITY STARTED THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS IN 1990.

AND THEN THE VERY NEXT YEAR. THAT WAS THE BIRTH OF THE SOUTHLAKE IN 1991.

WE ALSO HAVE SUZHOU WUZHONG DISTRICT SINCE 2010.

OTHER THAN THAT, DURING THIS EXCHANGE PROGRAM, LIKE BASICALLY THIS KIND OF COVER A LITTLE BIT SECOND HALF OF 2024 BECAUSE WE TRY TO TIE INTO SCHOOL SCHEDULE. SO IN JUNE 24TH, WE ACTUALLY SEND A DELEGATION TO JAPAN.

AND THEN SEPTEMBER 24TH, WE ACTUALLY HOST A STUDENT DELEGATION FROM WUZHONG .

THEN OUR OTHER ACTIVITY WE INVOLVE IS IN THE CITY FROM SOUTHLAKE SPRING FESTIVAL, CELEBRATED SOUTHLAKE, KSB ADOPT A STREET QUARTERLY TRASH PICK UP, WE ACTUALLY ADOPT A SOUTH CHAPEL BOULEVARD.

SO FOUR TIMES A YEAR, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE STREET, AND ALSO WE ALSO SPONSOR THE CATO SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL SCHOLARSHIP, THE LIBRARY, THE ASIAN AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH DISPLAY.

I CAN RECOGNIZE A FEW PEOPLE, WE ARE. THIS YEAR WE ACTUALLY GAVE OUT TWO SCHOLARSHIPS.

ONE IS TO KATAH GUNTER AND ALLISON BEDWELL. THOSE TWO GIRLS, THEY ARE REALLY, I MEAN, EXCEPTIONAL, ESPECIALLY KATAH. I THINK SHE WAS NUMBER ONE OF THE SCHOOL.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A FOUR MEMBERS ACTUALLY ACHIEVED THE PRESIDENT'S VOLUNTEER SERVICE AWARD.

THAT'S A PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, AS A SILVER LEVEL.

DARIEN KAWAI IS A SILVER LEVEL. BOTH KATAH AND SANVI, THEY ARE BROWN LEVEL.

AND ALSO AS OF TONIGHT, ACTUALLY ON YOUR RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU PROBABLY FOUND OUT THERE WAS A MUG.

THAT'S AN ANNUAL SOUTHLAKE ANNUAL MUG PRODUCTION.

AND THIS YEAR, THE WINNER ARTIST IS EMILY LIU, AND SHE IS HERE.

AGAIN, IT'S ALL EXCITING. WE'VE DONE A LOT. BUT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL THE GRADING ALSO FACE A LOT OF CHALLENGES.

SO CURRENTLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES. BOTH OUR ASSOCIATION IS IN ASIA.

SO IN SOME TIME THE COMMUNITY WILL CONSIDER US AS AN ASIAN ORGANIZATION, WHICH WE ARE NOT.

WE ARE TRULY GLOBAL. SO THE SECOND ONE IS THE THE HIGH TRAVELING COST IS START CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHALLENGES.

FOR EXAMPLE, GOING TO JAPAN, THERE USED TO BE A WHOLE TRIP LESS THAN $2,500.

BUT RIGHT NOW JUST TO GET THERE, IT WILL COST 3000.

AND EVEN BEFORE ANYTHING, NOT ONLY THAT, IT ALSO TIME THE TRAVELING TIME NEED TO FLY INTO TOKYO, CHANGE THE SUBWAY TO TOKYO STATION AND THEN TAKE ANOTHER THREE HOURS OF THE BULLET TRAIN TO THE NORTH AND TAKE 40 MINUTES OF THE BUS TO THE CITY.

SO THE WHOLE TRIP IS BETWEEN SOMEWHERE AROUND.

I MEAN, IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, IT'S LIKE A 22 HOURS, MAYBE 23.

AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. THE SECOND CHALLENGE IS THE TOURNAMENT ITSELF.

TOYAMA WHEN WE STARTED 34 YEARS AGO. IT'S FAIRLY COMPARABLE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A FARMING COMMUNITY, WHEREAS SOUTHLAKE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS OUR POPULATION ACTUALLY GREW ABOUT 40%.

TOTAL POPULATION ACTUALLY DROPPED 20%. SO WHEN WE STARTED WE WERE LIKE 20,000.

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NOW IT'S 76. AND THAT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR NOT ONLY FOR TRAVELING AND FOR A HOST TO THEIR GEOGRAPHIC AREA IS TEN TIMES OR SOUTHLAKE, BUT ONLY TWO CITIES ACTUALLY FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE CITY HALL.

I MEAN, TWO TOWNS CLOSE CITY HALL. SO EVEN THE POPULATION YOU THINK ABOUT IS MORE THAN 70,000.

THAT'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 10,000 IN POPULATION ACTUALLY CLOSE TO THE AREA THAT CAN PROVIDE A HOSTING.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE CHALLENGES, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIT STILL AND JUST KIND OF KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CHALLENGE.

SO ONWARD AND UPWARD. ACTUALLY, LONG AGO WE HAVE BEEN THINKING SINCE WE ONLY SERVICE MOST OF OUR CULTURE FROM ASIA, WE ONLY SERVE SERVICE PROBABLY HALF OF THE CITY OR HALF OF THE RESIDENTS.

AND SO GOING TO EUROPE YOUR EUROPEAN COUNTRY CITY IS REALLY ALWAYS OUR GOAL.

I ACTUALLY DONE SOME STUDY FROM OUR ANCESTORS.

ANCESTRY, ACTUALLY. 20 POINT. 20.1% OF THE RESIDENTS, ACTUALLY, OF GERMAN ANCESTRY. SO THAT'S REALLY HIGH. IT ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, HIGHEST IN THE SOUTH OF US.

IT ACTUALLY IS THE NUMBER FIVE CITY FROM US. SO IT'S REALLY HIGH.

SO WE GO ALONG IT AND AND WE ACTUALLY KIND OF ENGAGE.

WE FOUND A CITY. IT'S A CITY OF BAD HOMBURG AND AS SHOWN IN THE IN THE SLIDE, POPULATION 55,000, 20MI², IT'S ALMOST THE SAME AS SOUTHLAKE. 60 MILES.

WE ARE TEN MILES. THEY ARE 60 MILES FROM FRANKFURT AIRPORT.

DIRECT FLIGHT FROM DFW AIRPORT. AND IT COST A THIRD OF GOING TO JAPAN.

AND THEN WE, WE CONTINUE ON. WE ARE ACTUALLY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A VIDEO CONFERENCE WITH THE MAYOR OF HAMBURG? I THINK DAY AFTER TOMORROW. AND WE DIDN'T GET THERE'S A NONSTOP FLIGHT FROM DFW TO FRANKFURT.

IT ACTUALLY TOOK A LOT OF STUFF. AND WITH THE HELP FROM DAN HOLMES IN ENGEL AND VOLKERS, BECAUSE THE HEADQUARTER ACTUALLY IN HAMBURG, GERMANY. SO I KIND OF APPROACH HIM AND ASK HIM FOR HELP.

HE THEN APPROACHED TO THEIR COMPANIES THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR, AND THEN HE ENDED UP REACHED TO THE CEO'S OFFICE IN HAMBURG, AND HE GOT ASSIGNED TO THE SENIOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, DAN HOLMES REACHES BACK, HOLMES OFFICE AND THEN TALK TO THE MANAGER OR CONTACT TO THE OFFICE. AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP COMMUNICATING WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE INTERNATIONAL EXCHANGE IN HAMBURG.

AND THEN I ASKED HER, I SAID, WELL, CAN I HAVE A DIRECT COMMUNICATION? AND SO SHE REFERRED ME TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

SO I WAS REALLY SURPRISED BECAUSE THE FIRST, FIRST MESSAGE I SENT TO DAN HOLMES WAS FEBRUARY 13TH WHEN I GET TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, SET UP THE CONFERENCE, THAT WAS ON MAY 20, THREE MONTHS.

I WAS REALLY SURPRISED BECAUSE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A PLEASANT SURPRISE.

I DON'T SPEAK GERMAN AND NEVER BE IN GERMANY OR ACTUALLY BEEN THERE SIX HOURS DURING MY CRUISE.

THAT'S WAY BACK ON THE NORTH PART. AND THEN [INAUDIBLE].

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I DID. BUT I'M GLAD TO TAKE ANYTHING POSITIVE.

AND AGAIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE ANY COME STEP IN TO HELP.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JEFF FOR THAT UPDATE.

IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO RECAPTURE THE 30 PLUS YEAR HISTORY OF SOUTHLAKE SISTER CITIES, AND ALSO EXCITING TO SEE WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES IN GERMANY AND MAYBE ELSEWHERE IN EUROPE TO TO BROADEN THE OFFERINGS FOR OUR STUDENTS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE AND TO BRING OTHER PEOPLE INTO OUR CITY.

SO MAYBE KATHY TALLEY, SINCE YOU'RE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? NO. I MEAN, JEFF SPOKE TO A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES AND A LOT OF IT CAME, YOU KNOW, AFTER COVID.

AND SO THERE LITERALLY COULD BE NO TRIPS AND EXCHANGE PROGRAMS FOR THREE YEARS OR OVER THREE YEARS.

AND THAT WAS HARD. AND SO IT WAS EXCITING TO HAVE KIDS GOING BOTH WAYS.

LAST YEAR AND IN THE FUTURE. AND, HAMBURG IS A VERY SIMILAR SIZE TO SOUTHLAKE.

THEY'VE DONE THE RESEARCH. IT'S GOT A LOT OF SIMILARITIES TO OUR CITY IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO TALK TO THE MAYOR AND JUST GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED.

RIGHT. I THINK JUST GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. AND I THINK I'VE DONE QUITE A LOT OF IN-DEPTH STUDY.

THE CITY DEMOGRAPHIC IS VERY SIMILAR. AS WE ALL KNOW, FRANKFURT IS THE FINANCIAL CENTER OF GERMANY, AND MOST OF THE EXECUTIVES ACTUALLY LIVE IN HAMBURG, JUST KIND OF LIKE A SOUTHLAKE.

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AND HOPEFULLY AND AGAIN I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE OVERCONFIDENT, BUT WISH US LUCK AND WE'LL PROBABLY GET THERE. IT IS A GREAT TOWN AND IT'S REALLY COMFORTABLE.

AND I THINK, MAYOR, WE'VE SEEN YOU IN SOME GERMAN ATTIRE BEFORE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, AT OKTOBERFEST MAYBE.

NO COMMENT. OKAY. I'M SURE THAT EXISTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOMEWHERE, BUT AND BY THE WAY, I THINK A FEW COUNCILWOMAN ARE REALLY IF I REMEMBER RIGHT WAY BACK, I WAS REALLY INTO THE WHISKEY CLUB, AND I THINK THEY DO HAVE A WHISKEY FESTIVAL IN SEPTEMBER.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE INTERESTED. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. WELL ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? WELL, GOOD LUCK WITH THE WITH THE FUTURE ENDEAVORS. KEEP US POSTED.

LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL GRAB A PICTURE WITH YOU AND ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE YOUTH BOARD WHO'S HERE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU? YES. AND THEY WOULD REALLY LOVE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE CITY LEADER, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THEIR IDOL.

SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S TAKE THAT PICTURE.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

I THINK CAN WE GET OUR YOUTH BOARD UP HERE? AND IF YOU [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE COME ON UP.

OKAY. WELL, ACTUALLY, THEY ALL SHOWED UP. ORIGINALLY, MY PLAN WAS TO ONLY TALK ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, BUT I TOOK 15 MINUTES TO MAKE SURE THEY WILL BE IN EVERYONE'S WELCOME.

YEAH. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A PICTURE? YEAH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. IF I COULD HAVE YOU SHIFT TO YOUR LEFT OVER TO THIS AREA.

. OH, COME ON UP. DID WE FORGET SOMETHING? OH, WELL, ACTUALLY, IT WAS MY FAULT.

SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE PICTURE. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET A PICTURE. I HAVE A MUG. I HAVE A MUG RIGHT HERE. SO LET'S GRAB A PICTURE.

SORRY, GUYS. YEAH.

. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR. A SALUTE TO FUTURE DEFENDERS AND A CEREMONY FOR MILITARY BOUND GRADUATES.

[4. A Salute to Future Defenders: A Ceremony for Military-Bound Graduates]

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AND SO, TO GET THINGS STARTED, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MY FRIEND MILAN GEORGIA, TO THE PODIUM TO SHARE HIS THOUGHTS, AND THEN WE'LL GO AROUND THE DAIS WITH COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS.

MILAN, COME ON DOWN. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANKS, SIR. ANYTIME YOU PUT THE UNIFORM ON, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHY THE HECK DO YOU STILL WEAR THAT THING? WELL, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I CAN STILL BUTTON IT, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT IT ON TONIGHT.

BUT IN KEEPING WITH THE DEFENDERS THAT WE'RE SALUTING THIS EVENING, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS REQUIRED MILLIONS OF SOLDIERS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE ITS FUTURE AND ITS IDEALS, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS WE SPEAK, THERE'S 1,300,000 THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN OUR EXISTING ACTIVE MILITARY RIGHT NOW. THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE SELECTED TO BE FUTURE DEFENDERS HAVE BEEN SELECTED, OBVIOUSLY, TO JOIN THEIR RANKS, INCLUDING A VERY SPECIAL LEVEL OF RECOGNITION, BECAUSE AS OUR POPULATION INCREASES, UNFORTUNATELY, THE RANKS OF OUR MILITARY DOES NOT. WE'RE KIND OF STAGNATING TO SOME DEGREE.

WE LIKE TO SAY IT'S THE ONE PERCENTERS, BUT IT'S MORE LIKE THE THREE QUARTER PERCENTERS RIGHT NOW.

AS WITH ALL THINGS, THE ACHIEVEMENT MEANS, NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ELEVATE YOURSELF EVEN FURTHER, AND ALSO TO HELP ACQUAINT YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS WITH JUST HOW IMPORTANT THAT THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT IS TO OUR WELL-BEING. AS YOU ACHIEVE A NEW LEVEL, THIS WILL BECOME A REPETITIVE OCCURRENCE.

NOW THAT LAST STATEMENT IS REALLY CODE FOR SAYING YOU'RE STARTING AT THE BOTTOM AGAIN.

BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED IS TREMENDOUS.

ACHIEVING SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELVES TO ENSURE THE FREEDOMS OF YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS, THE CONTINUANCE OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, AND THE BACKBONE OF THIS LAND, WHICH IS THE RULE OF LAW, IS AN ABSOLUTE HONOR. MAY YOU EVER BE ENLIGHTENED BY THE CHALLENGE, DETERMINED TO ACHIEVE THE MISSION, ALWAYS HUMBLED AND GRATEFUL FOR THE HONOR.

BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR NEXT LEVEL OF LIFE. BELIEVE ME, YOU WILL DO YOUR DUTY.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND HELPING US RECOGNIZE A GROUP OF REALLY EXCEPTIONAL HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES WHO HAVE OBVIOUSLY DEMONSTRATED ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE, LEADERSHIP, A STRONG COMMITMENT TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE AFFORDED THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO HELP US IN THAT REGARD.

I'M GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE NAMES OF OUR FUTURE DEFENDERS.

AND IF YOU ALL COULD STAND, IF YOUR NAME IS CALLED, I KNOW NOT EVERYONE COULD BE HERE TONIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO CALL YOUR NAMES, AND THEN I'LL ASK COUNCIL TO SAY A FEW WORDS, AND THEN WE'LL READ A PROCLAMATION AND TAKE A PICTURE.

SO OUR HONOREES THIS EVENING ARE AVA BAILEY HOFERT, CHRIS PONNANI, SAMANTHA GRACE PETRAEUS AND CAMERON STOMBAUGH.

LET'S GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING TO SAY FOR OUR HONOREES? ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. IT'S GREAT TO SEE FAMILIAR FACES CONTINUING TO REPRESENT SOUTHLAKE SO WELL.

AND CONGRATULATIONS. I MEAN, WHAT AN HONOR. IT'S YOU KNOW, THESE MILITARY INSTITUTIONS AND ROTC PROGRAMS SELECT ONLY THE BEST FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE CLASSROOM, OUTSIDE OF THE CLASSROOM AND YOUR LEADERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, THEY PICK PEOPLE WHO THEY BELIEVE ARE WORTHY OF LEADING OUR TROOPS INTO THE FUTURE.

AND SO I JUST ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS. IT'S SUCH AN HONOR.

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AND SO CONGRATULATIONS. WELL SAID. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS A CLASS OF 46 AT WEST POINT.

SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S REALLY SPECIAL AND REALLY COOL.

SO CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ADD IN OR READ IN OUR CITY COUNCIL PROCLAMATION.

SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE MOMENT WHERE IT IS WITH GREAT PRIDE AND ADMIRATION THAT WE RECOGNIZE THE EXCEPTIONAL COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION DEMONSTRATED BY THESE RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO PURSUE A PATH OF SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE BY ENTERING A MILITARY ACADEMY, ROTC PROGRAM, OR ENLISTMENT ENLISTMENT IN THE ARMED FORCES.

AND WHEREAS, THESE FUTURE DEFENDERS HAVE DISPLAYED EXEMPLARY CHARACTER, DISCIPLINE, AND A PROFOUND SENSE OF DUTY, SETTING AN EXTRAORDINARY EXAMPLE FOR THEIR PEERS AND INSPIRING US ALL WITH THEIR SELFLESS DEVOTION TO THE PRINCIPLES OF HONOR, INTEGRITY, AND SACRIFICE. AND WHEREAS THEIR DECISION TO SERVE THEIR NATION IN THIS WAY DEMONSTRATES THEIR UNWAVERING DETERMINATION TO PURSUE A HIGHER PURPOSE, ONE THAT PROTECTS OUR FREEDOMS AND PROMOTES PEACE AND SECURITY AROUND THE WORLD.

AND WHEREAS THESE REMARKABLE INDIVIDUALS HAVE EXHIBITED EXCEPTIONAL ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENTS, LEADERSHIP ABILITIES, AND PHYSICAL FITNESS, EXEMPLIFYING THE QUALITIES NECESSARY TO SUCCEED IN THE RIGOROUS ENVIRONMENT OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

AND REFLECTING THEIR COMMITMENT TO PERSONAL GROWTH AND EXCELLENCE.

AND WHEREAS, THESE STUDENTS HAVE DISPLAYED A PROFOUND RESPECT FOR THE VALUES UPON WHICH OUR NATION WAS FOUNDED OF LOYALTY, DUTY, HONOR, RESPECT, INTEGRITY, COURAGE, AND SERVICE THAT EPITOMIZE THE VERY BEST OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTRY. NOW, THEREFORE, I, MAYOR SEAN MCCASKILL, ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE 3RD, 2025 AS OUR SALUTE TO FUTURE DEFENDERS DAY.

AND LET US USE THIS OCCASION TO EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE TO THESE STUDENTS AND MEMBERS, PAST AND PRESENT, OF THE SOUTHLAKE KIWANIS CLUB FOR THEIR DEDICATION, LEADERSHIP, AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO THIS IDEAL AND TO THIS HONOR.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. AND CONGRATULATIONS [APPLAUSE].

ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL JOIN US FOR A PICTURE DOWN, DOWN FRONT HERE.NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[5. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session.]

THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CONSENT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

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ITEM 4B APPROVE ZA25-0029 PLAT REVISION FOR LINMAR ESTATES ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 3D01 REES D.

PRICE SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1207 AND LOT 3 JOEL W.

CHIVERS, NUMBER 350. ADDITION, AN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 2665 AND 2735 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL.

AWARD THE CONTRACT FOR AUDIO AND VIDEO SERVICES FOR CITY EVENTS TO EAGLE AVL, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 60,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.

REJECT ALL BIDS FOR THE ICE RINK FOR CITY EVENTS PROJECT.

ITEM 4. D SORRY. ITEM 4.E APPROVE AN ENGINEERING SERVICE AGREEMENT ESA WITH BAIRD, HAMPTON, AND BROWN FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS TURF CONVERSION PHASE TWO IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $204,562. ITEM 4.F APPROVE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES FOR CONDUCTING A CITYWIDE PAVEMENT ANALYSIS SURVEY, WITH EXPENDITURES NOT TO EXCEED $170,000.

ITEM 4.G. EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER LORA GUNTER FROM THE JUNE 5TH 20, 2025 REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

AND ITEM 4. H TABLE ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-564F, ZA24-0042.

SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARILLON PARC PLAZA DISTRICT ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACKS 3A4 , 3A4A, 3A5, 3A, 3A3, 3A1B AND A PORTION OF TRACKS 1 E, 1D AND 3A1 LARKIN H.

CHIVEY SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 300 AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, WEST OF RIVIERA DRIVE, AND APPROXIMATELY 600FT SOUTH OF EAST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.

CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. CURRENT ZONING.

ECZ. EMPLOYMENT CENTER ZONING DISTRICT REQUESTED.

ZONING. ECZ. EMPLOYMENT CENTER. ZONING DISTRICT.

THAT'S THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY DISCUSSION OR PRESENTATIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS ON CONSENT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE THAT UP AND VOTE ON THAT DURING THE REGULAR SESSION.

NEXT UP, I'LL CALL OUR REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER.

[1. Call to order.]

[2. A. Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)]

AND I'LL CHECK WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON HOW LONG WE'LL BE BACK THERE.

07:00. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE BACK AT 7:00. SEE YOU THEN.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION?

[2.B. Reconvene: Action necessary on items discussed in Executive Session. (Part 1 of 2)]

NEXT UP IS THE MAYOR'S REPORT. NOTHING SCHEDULED TONIGHT.

ITEM THREE B IS THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. YES.

[3.B. City Manager's Report]

THANK YOU, ALISON, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M PROUD TO SHARE THAT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE HAS ONCE AGAIN EARNED THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS ASSOCIATION ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE AWARD FOR THE THIRD CONSECUTIVE TIME SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2020. THIS AWARD WAS DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE EXCELLENCE IN THE EFFICIENT MANAGEMENT OF RESOURCES AND MUNICIPAL CLERK'S OFFICE, AND IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO OFFICES LED BY TEXAS REGISTERED MUNICIPAL CLERKS.

AND WE ARE FORTUNATE IN SOUTHLAKE THAT WE HAVE THREE REGISTERED CLERKS IN OUR OFFICE.

WE ARE LONG STANDING MEMBERS OF THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS ASSOCIATION, THE ORGANIZATION THAT ADMINISTERS AND FACILITATES OUR CERTIFICATION PROGRAM THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, AND TMCA IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR AWARDING THE ACHIEVEMENT AWARD ANNUALLY, AND THE AWARD IS VALID FOR TWO YEARS. TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE AWARD, THE MUNICIPAL CLERK'S OFFICE MUST HAVE MET AND DEMONSTRATED 9 OF THE 12 STANDARDS SHOWN HERE. THIS RECOGNITION REFLECTS MORE THAN JUST A ONE TIME ACHIEVEMENT.

IT SPEAKS TO OUR SUSTAINED EXCELLENCE IN THE AREAS OF TRANSPARENCY, INNOVATION AND EFFECTIVE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.

WHILE MUCH OF OUR WORK HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENES, FROM RECORDS MANAGEMENT TO ELECTIONS AND COUNCIL MEETING PREPARATION, IT IS FOUNDATIONAL TO THE INTEGRITY AND TRUST IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AT THE HEART OF EVERYTHING WE DO IS A GENUINE DESIRE TO SERVE OUR RESIDENTS AND SUPPORT THE COUNCIL'S VISION, AND WE ARE TRULY GRATEFUL FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY AND PROUD TO BE PART OF SOUTHLAKE STORY.

THAT'S IT. THAT WAS SHORT. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE RECOGNITION THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM SO RICHLY DESERVE.

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AND, YOU KNOW, IN ALL OF OUR YEARS WORKING TOGETHER YOU ALL JUST DO A GREAT JOB.

YOUR TEAM JUST SEEMS TO ANTICIPATE WHAT WE NEED OR WHAT ISSUES MIGHT COME UP OR QUESTIONS OR THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE RADAR. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL DO IT, BUT IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED BY ALL OF US ON COUNCIL FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US AND FOR THE CITY AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.

I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ON OUR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.

GO AHEAD. WELL, I'LL JUST EVERYTHING YOU SAID, MAYOR, AND IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY HARD TO KNOW.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW EVERYTHING YOU DO, BUT IT'S HARD TO KNOW UNTIL YOU'RE SITTING UP HERE. I THINK JUST THE IMPACT THAT YOU HAVE YOU ALL ARE INCREDIBLE AT WHAT YOU DO, NOT ONLY THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, BUT THERE'S PICTURES OF EVENTS.

YOU HANDLE EVERYTHING AND WE'RE JUST ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

AND VERY BLESSED TO HAVE YOU HERE. SO THANK YOU.

YEAH, I WOULD ECHO THAT SAME THING. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT'S YOU'RE ALWAYS MY FIRST CALL WHEN I HAVE A QUESTION AND YOU ALWAYS KNOW THE ANSWER.

IF YOU DON'T YOU FIND IT OUT REALLY QUICK I THINK, AND IF I'M READY, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS AWARD EVERY YEAR? THEY'VE DONE IT.

THEN IF IT'S GOOD FOR TWO YEARS, YOU'VE NEVER MISSED IT ONCE.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S NOT SURPRISING TO ME AT ALL.

I CAN'T IMAGINE I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SERVE ON A COUNCIL THAT DIDN'T HAVE YOU IN THAT OFFICE.

SO. WELL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST SAID.

YOU TAKE TREMENDOUS CARE OF ALL OF US, AND I DON'T THINK ALL OF US ARE AS TIMELY AS WE SHOULD BE ON THINGS, BUT NEVER WE FEEL ANY REPERCUSSIONS FROM THAT.

YOU JUST HELP US ALONG. AND SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE FORGET IS HOW YOUR OFFICE HANDLES ELECTIONS.

IT IS NOT SURPRISING TO ME THAT WE HAVE THE BUSIEST AND THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER PLACE FOR ELECTIONS, AND THAT IS HARD WORK AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR OFFICE DOES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS, SO I WON'T ECHO THOSE MANY THINGS, BUT DITTO ON THE ELECTION PIECE. THAT WAS A GREAT POINT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THERE.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH. AND AS I SIT HERE NOW AFTER A MONTH, IT IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

AND I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ON HOW THINGS OPERATE IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT.

AND DEFINITELY I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR. SO REALLY GREAT JOB. ALL RIGHT.

WELL CONGRATULATIONS. NO SURPRISE. I MEAN, WE'RE SPOILED.

WE'RE USED TO THESE KINDS OF HONORS FOR YOU GUYS. BUT I KNOW WE SPEAK.

YOU KNOW ABOUT IT AS IT RELATES TO OUR INTERACTIONS WITH YOU AND HOW EFFECTIVE YOU GUYS ARE AND HOW EASY YOU MAKE OUR ROLES.

BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION HOW GOOD IT MAKES US FEEL TO KNOW THAT OUR RESIDENTS GET TO INTERACT WITH YOU, AND YOU GUYS ARE OFTEN THE FIRST FACE THEY SEE WHEN THEY WALK IN THE BUILDING AND ARE EITHER HANDLING IT OR POINTING THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND WE HAVE JUST 100% CONFIDENCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOP TIER CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE.

SO CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO AMY AND THE CITY SECRETARY TEAM [APPLAUSE].

THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MANY YEARS OF WORKING WITH YOU. MANY YEARS, MANY MORE YEARS.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE REVIEWED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DURING THE WORK SESSION.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS FOR A THROUGH H.

OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. AND THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.

NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE PUBLIC FORUM.

[5. Public Forum. ]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA TONIGHT? YES, MA'AM. COME ON DOWN.

AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE TIMING SYSTEM, THE THREE MINUTE TIMER, IT'LL START GREEN. YELLOW MEANS ONE MINUTE AND RED MEANS STOP.

SO GO AHEAD. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS.

MY NAME IS COLLEEN GOLSTON. SOUTHLAKE HAS BEEN MY HOME FOR 25 YEARS.

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HE HAS BEEN GENEROUS, LOVING, AND MERCIFUL. BUT HE HAS ASKED ME TO DEDICATE MY LIFE TO BEING A VISIBLE ALLY FOR ANY AND ALL MARGINALIZED PERSONS AND OR COMMUNITIES IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS AND CARROLL ISD.

FOR HE HAS MADE US ALL AND LOVES US ALL, NO MATTER OUR RACE OR RELIGION, NO MATTER OUR SEX, OUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR GENDER IDENTITY, NO MATTER OUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, WE ALL BELONG HERE.

THERE IS A PLACE FOR ALL OF US IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS CITY AND SCHOOL POLICY SHOULD NEVER DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANY OF US.

WITH THAT. I WISH EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAPPY PRIDE 2025.

I AM THRILLED TO SHARE THAT THERE WILL BE A COMBINED KELLER SOUTHLAKE PRIDE EVENT THIS FALL.

I AM NOT ONE OF THE EVENT ORGANIZERS, SO I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, BUT I ANTICIPATE AN EVENT OF COMMUNITY, LOVE, JOY, LEARNING, AND THE LORD'S BLESSING.

I HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.

WE'RE GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP ITEM 6.C THE DAKOTA'S STEAKHOUSE,

[6.C. Ordinance No. 480-826a, ZA25-0026, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Dakota's Southlake on property described as Lot IRIR2, Block 1, Sabre Group Campus Addition and located at 1901 W. Kirkwood Blvd. Current zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: "S-P-2" Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. I'M JUST GOING TO GO AROUND THE DAIS REAL QUICK AND SEE IF ANYONE NEEDS A PRESENTATION ON THAT.

WE'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES AND HAD A PRETTY THOROUGH FIRST READING.

DOES ANYONE NEED A PRESENTATION ON DAKOTA'S? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU. WE'LL ALSO SKIP PAST THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

THIS IS A SECOND READING, SO IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6. C ON DAKOTA'S.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM SIX C? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON BACK. READY FOR EMOTION.

YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM 6. C ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-826A, ZA25-0026.

SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN AND SITE PLAN FOR DAKOTA SOUTHLAKE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 1R1R2 BLOCK 1 SABRE GROUP CAMPUS ADDITION AND LOCATED AT 1901 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 27TH, 2025 AND THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FOUR DATED MAY 27TH, 2025, KNOWING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN, WE'RE CHANGING ZONING FROM SP TWO GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO SP TWO GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT AS PRESENTED, NOTING THE FOLLOWING. FIRST, WE'RE APPROVING REQUESTED VARIANCES TO THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634 AS AMENDED, ALLOWING THE DRIVEWAY STACKING DEPTH AND SPACING AS SHOWN.

CITY COUNCIL IS APPROVING THE TREE PRESERVATION LANDSCAPE EXHIBIT AND PLANTING PLAN PRESENTED THIS EVENING.

NOTED THAT WE'RE REQUIRED THAT THE REQUIRED TREE MITIGATION PER TREE PRESERVATION PLAN IS 1845IN, AND THAT IS, A MINIMUM OF 45IN WILL BE MITIGATED ON SITE AND FOR WHATEVER THE DEFICIENCY IS, MITIGATION PAYMENT WILL BE MADE INTO THE CITY'S REFORESTATION FUND, NOT TO EXCEED $150,000, AND THAT ALL CANOPY TREES PLANTED FOR BUFFER YARDS, INTERIOR, LANDSCAPE AND MITIGATION WILL BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON ITEM 6.C. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

ITEM 6. C IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS TO DAKOTA'S.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM SIX A AND SIX B.

[Items 6.A. & 6.B. (Part 1 of 2)]

SECOND READING AMENDMENT, AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND ITEM 6.B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-830 CASE NUMBER ZA25-0005 SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS.

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS BOTH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS AN ELEMENT OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHANGING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS ACTION WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE OPTIONAL LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS A MULTI-TENANT OFFICE TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL AND CHANGES TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, CONSISTING OF BOTH LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

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THE UPPER MAP SHOWS THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY.

THE LOWER MAP SHOWS THE PROPOSED CHANGE. AS MENTIONED, THIS WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE OPTIONAL LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE MULTI-TENANT OFFICE OVERLAY.

THIS IS A LISTING OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN AT THE FIRST READING THAT WAS HELD ON APRIL 15TH.

FIRST ITEM WAS TO ADDRESS THE BUFFER YARDS AND AND SETBACKS ALONG 114 AND SHADY OAKS DRIVE. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A 25 FOOT BUFFER YARD ALONG THE 114 FRONTAGE AND HAS EXTENDED THE BUILDING LINE TO 50FT FROM 114 FRONTAGE, ALSO ON SHADY OAKS.

THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A 50 FOOT SETBACK AND BUFFER YARD ALONG SHADY OAKS.

ALSO DESIGNATING THAT UTILIZATION OF THE ENTRANCE ON 114 WOULD BE FOR CONSTRUCTION, ENTRANCE AND EXIT ONLY AND OR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WOULD ONLY USE THAT EXIT IN AND OUT.

ALSO EXPANDING THE TREE PRESERVATION TO EXCEED 30%, AND THEN PROVIDE A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN ALONG 114 FRONTAGE THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY MITIGATE NOISE BUT NOT INCLUDE A MASONRY WALL.

ALSO, TO ADDRESS IRRIGATION AND VEGETATION WITHIN THAT AREA, AND ALSO GATING THE 114 ENTRANCE THAT IT WOULD BE FOR RESIDENT ENTRY EXIT ONLY, AND WOULD PROVIDE FOR ADEQUATE STACKING OFF OF THAT 114 FRONTAGE ROAD. THIS IS THE PLAN PRESENTED TO YOU AT FIRST READING ON MAY 6TH.

AFTER DISCUSSION THIS ITEM WAS TABLED. THIS PLAN REFLECTS ADDRESSING THE MAJORITY OF THOSE CONDITIONS.

AND THIS IS A PLAN PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING FOR SECOND READING.

THIS THIS PLAN HAS REDUCED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS FROM 29 PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO 27.

THAT REDUCTION OCCURRED PRIMARILY ALONG THE 114 FRONTAGE OR SOLELY ALONG 114 FRONTAGE WITH THE PLAN.

BEFORE YOU ALL LOTS ARE 20,000FT² OR GREATER.

IT ALSO INCLUDES A FENCING PLAN. AND RUNNING THROUGH THE CONDITIONS ON FIRST READING APPROVAL.

THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THE INCREASED BUFFER YARD AND SETBACK THAT IS BEING PROVIDED ON THE 114 FRONTAGE ON THE NORTH AND OR THE UPPER PART OF THE SCREEN, AND THEN THE SHADY OAKS FRONTAGE ON THE LOWER PART OF THE SCREEN.

ALSO DETAIL HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON THE DESIGN OF THE ACCESS POINT TO 114 WITH THE GATE, THE TREE PRESERVATION HAS BEEN INCREASED TO REACH JUST IN EXCESS OF 33%.

AND THIS IS AN EXHIBIT OF THE LANDSCAPE DETAIL ALONG 114.

THE APPLICANT DOES STILL PROPOSE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE BUFFER YARD BOUNDARY.

AND THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT ANY IRRIGATION WOULD BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AS IT'S APPROVED AND SUBJECT TO OUR CITY'S LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE REGARDING IRRIGATION.

AND THIS IS A DETAIL OF THE ENTRY GATE. IT WOULD BE FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC DURING CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND THEN RESTRICTED TO RESIDENTIAL RESIDENT ACCESS ONLY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, THE DRIVEWAY HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY 38FT OF STACKING OFF THE THE PAVED EDGE OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND HAS A CONTROLLED ENTRY GATE. AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRESENTED THIS EVENING. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE CONSERVATION PLAN PRESENTED AT YOUR MAY 6TH

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THE APPLICANT DID LOCATE SOME, PHYSICALLY IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATE LOCATIONS OF SOME TREES THAT HAVE VALUE IN PRESERVING ON THE PLAN. AND THIS IS LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND ONCE AGAIN THE PROFILE EXHIBIT FOR THE BUFFER YARD AND SCREENING WALL.

AND A DETAIL OF THAT 114 ENTRY. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

THANK YOU SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. APPLICANT. COME ON DOWN.

AND IF YOU BOTH COULD STATE YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD. AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS.

YES, SIR. JOHN HUFFMAN, 1991 EAST HIGHLAND STREET, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

AND CURTIS YOUNG WITH AGE SAGE GROUP. 1130 NORTH CARROLL IN TEXAS.

WELL, THANKS AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS ONCE AGAIN, A SECOND READING. SO AS USUAL, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH DID A WONDERFUL JOB IN PRESENTING THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND OUR APPLICATION.

SO NOT TO RETREAD TOO MUCH GROUND, BUT JUST TO BRIEFLY KIND OF TALK THROUGH THIS.

SO THIS WAS THE PLAN WE PRESENTED ON MAY THE 5TH OR SIXTH AT OUR LAST SECOND READING, HAD 29 LOTS, AS YOU SAID. A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD HERE REALLY FOCUSED ON SOME OF THE CHALLENGING ASPECTS OF THE SITE, THE FACT THAT ITS ADJACENCY IS HIGHWAY 114. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST TRANQUIL, YOU KNOW, CALM RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN SOUTHLAKE AND THEN TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT RESPECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DESIRE OF THE RESIDENTS TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO THEIR HOMES.

SO ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WAS TREES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO CONSERVE SOME OF THE BEST TREES IN THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE DID WAS I WENT OUT ACTUALLY PERSONALLY WITH A GPS TRACKER AS WELL AS AN ARBORIST, AND WE STARTED TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE WHAT I THINK ARE THE BEST TREES ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT AS WE OVERLAID THEM ON THE MAP, WE SAW THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ONE OF THE LOTS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING REALLY WOULD CAUSE THE ELIMINATION OF THESE TREES.

SO WE THOUGHT, WE CAN KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, AS WE ALSO GOT SOME COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL AS WELL AS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.

THAT TO JUST TO ASK US TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND TRY TO GET THIS THING LESS DENSE.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT I THINK ACCOMPLISHES A LOT OF THOSE GOALS.

SO THIS IS OUR PLAN NOW WE WENT FROM 29 LOTS TO 27 LOTS, WHICH ALSO SERVES A DUAL PURPOSE OF RAISING OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 20,000FT². SO WE HAVE EVERY LOT ON THE SITE IS AT LEAST 20,000, INCLUDING ALL THE LOTS ALONG 114, AND CURTIS DID YEOMAN'S WORK IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO RUN THAT STREET AND AND THE NEW CONFIGURATION OF LOTS IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS SOME OF THESE BIG, REALLY NICE TREES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE.

AND THESE ARE THESE ARE REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT TREES. I MEAN, THE WHOLE SITE IS COVERED. THESE ONES ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH THIS PLAN IS, IS NOT ONLY ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THE DENSITY, WHICH DOES RAISE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, ALL IN SERVICE OF THE DESIRE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

SO THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS TODAY. THIS IS OUR TREE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS.

AGAIN, JUST CONCEPTUAL, BUT REFLECTING THIS NEW PLAN.

COUNCILWOMAN TAGGART HAD SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT DOUBLE COUNTING THE REMOVAL AS FAR AS HOW WE NEED TO GET EXCAVATION AND EQUIPMENT ON AND OFF THE SITE WITH THE DETENTION PONDS.

WE ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE RED JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE EQUIPMENT COMING ON AND OFF THE SITE, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE DETENTION. BUT YOU'LL SEE, AS DIRECTOR KILLOUGH MENTIONED, OUR PRESERVATION IS STILL OVER 33%, WHICH WAS OUR COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TO YOU GUYS.

SO TO ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG 114, I KNOW AGAIN, A DISCUSSION POINT LAST TIME WAS WHAT SORT OF FENCING ARE WE GOING TO DO. SO WE'VE GOT THE 25 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WHICH IS STILL A PROPOSAL IN OUR CURRENT PLAN.

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AND WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF PICTURES THAT I THINK GETS GOT ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA BECAUSE I FRANKLY SHARE Y'ALL'S CONCERN NOT WANTING THE GREAT WALL OF SOUTHLAKE ALL UP AND DOWN 114 BUT I WENT OUT AND TOOK SOME PICTURES.

SO THIS IS A SHOT THAT'S LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE AREA OF THE LAND WHERE THE DRAINAGE COMES ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND ONTO OUR SITE. YOU CAN SEE THAT BIG COTTONWOOD IS GROWING BECAUSE IT'S GOT A LOT OF WATER THERE.

THE FENCE LINE HERE IS ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT STARTS ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND EXTENDS INTO THE GREEN SPACE AND FOLIAGE. AND THAT'S THE CASE THROUGHOUT ALMOST THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE SITE, UP AND DOWN 114. FROM THIS VIEW, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY FENCE.

SAME WITH THIS VIEW HERE. YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE FENCE.

YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT REALLY EVEN VISIBLE EXCEPT FOR RIGHT HERE.

AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE. SO IMAGINE THE MASONRY WALL SITTING 25FT IN FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.

IT'S REALLY ESPECIALLY WHEN THE LEAVES ARE FULL.

UNDERSTAND THESE PICTURES ARE SUMMERTIME, BUT WHEN THE LEAVES ARE FULL, YOU'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO SEE MUCH IF ANY OF THAT WALL.

WE THINK IT'S BETTER FOR SOUND MITIGATION. WE THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE HOMEOWNERS. AGAIN, TOTALLY SHARING AND UNDERSTANDING THE CONCERN THAT THE CITY HAS OF NOT WANTING TO CREATE AN UNSIGHTLY MASONRY WALL.

BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE MUCH OF IT.

AND AND THIS IS ANOTHER SHOT. LOOKING BACK THE OTHER WAY, YOU CAN SEE HOW THICK THAT FOLIAGE IS.

HAPPY TO GO WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT. THAT IS OUR REQUEST, THOUGH. AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS ARE ON BOARD WITH THAT. WE JUST WANT THAT MASONRY WALL.

WE THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BETTER FOR THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT. SO THIS IS THE DETAIL.

A LOT OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY BELOW 114. THERE'S SOME THAT'S ABOVE, BUT JUST THIS IS MOSTLY NATURAL.

THIS 25 FOOT EASEMENT IS GOING TO HAVE MOSTLY NATURAL VEGETATION, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPLEMENT AS NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT SCREENING IS IN FRONT OF THE MASONRY WALL, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT TO GO.

AND THEN SETBACK, A FURTHER 25 FOOT SETBACK WILL CONTINUE OFF OF THAT FENCE LINE.

OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO WE'RE GOING FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO TO THE LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THAT'S THE PLAN. WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT CURTIS AS WELL AS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER.

IF WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? YES. JOHN, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SUMMER PICTURES OF THE SHRUBBERY? SURE. THAT YOU TOOK. SO, ARE YOU LEAVING? SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. ARE YOU LEAVING? WHAT ARE YOU LEAVING? AND WHAT ARE YOU TAKING DOWN? ARE THESE TALL, GIANT TREES STAYING? ARE THEY COMING DOWN? THOSE LOOK, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THOSE WILL I THINK THEY'RE IN THE 2550S, AND I'M NOT 100% SURE, BUT WE WILL, THE EASEMENT WILL START AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND WILL COUNT 25FT BACK FROM THAT.

NOW, THE BUILD LINE WON'T START FOR ANOTHER 25 FOOT FROM FROM THE FENCE LINE.

SO 50FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE IS THE THE CLOSEST YOU COULD BUILD THE HOUSE TO THE HIGHWAY? JUST HONESTLY VISUAL. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU 100%, BUT VISUALLY, I THINK THOSE TREES ARE MUCH CLOSER THAN THE 50 FOOT.

SO THEY WOULD STAY. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M NOT A FAN OF THE WALL, BUT IF THIS IS THE SCENARIO, THEN, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE WALL IN MY OPINION.

BUT IF THIS IS ALL COMING DOWN, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SEEING A GIANT WALL ALONG THIS ENTIRE STRETCH OF PROPERTY, SO I AGREE. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE FOLIAGE YOU SEE WILL REMAIN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, LEAVES FALL.

WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPLEMENT WITH EVERGREEN STUFF AS NEEDED.

SO IF I COULD ASK THIS. SO THIS PICTURE SHOWS THAT YOUR WALL WOULD BE THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL WOULD BE LOWER THAN 114. CORRECT. CORRECT. SO AT EIGHT FEET HIGH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ELEVATION CHANGE IS THERE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY 4 TO 6FT. YOUR WALL AT THAT POINT WOULD DO NOTHING FOR SOUND MITIGATION, BECAUSE THE TOP OF THE WALL IS NOT GOING TO HIT THE ENGINE LEVEL OF A VEHICLE.

SO THE SECOND ISSUE THERE WOULD BE TO PUT A WALL IN.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG IT OUT. SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE HEAVY EQUIPMENT GOING UP THROUGH THAT AREA.

SO I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT THOSE TREES WOULD BE PRESERVED AND 50FT.

AND TO ME IN MY OPINION, I KNOW JUST ONE OF SEVEN PEOPLE UP HERE.

BUT I GOT MY OPINION ON IT IS MAYBE CLOSER THAN ME TO DAVID MILLER OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S NOT VERY FAR FROM 114. SO WITH WITH THAT WALL AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, I KNOW THERE'S SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT SURE. IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO EVEN DO ANYTHING.

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I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE REGARDLESS. AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO MASONRY, LET'S DO THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO DO WROUGHT IRON, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN NOTHING, I GUESS, TO YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

IT SITS BELOW THE SITE. BUT, YEAH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BELOW THE SITE HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, THEY PROBABLY CUT A BORROW DITCH FOR DRAINAGE TO GO ALONG THERE.

SO IT MAY GO DOWN FROM THE CURB BUT THEN GO BACK UP.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS EITHER SIMILAR TO THE HEIGHT OF THE HIGHWAY, OR IN SOME AREAS IT IS HIGHER THAN THE HIGHWAY.

I MEAN, I DON'T DISAGREE, I'VE DRIVEN OUT THERE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF SECTIONS THAT ARE A LOT LOWER. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING IN THOSE SECTIONS THAT ARE LOWER, EIGHT FEET IS NOT VERY HIGH.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE THAT DRAINAGE IS PRIMARILY THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.

AND THE WALL WOULDN'T GO THERE. BUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS AT THIS TIME? YEAH. WALK ME THROUGH. WHY ARE WE RESTRICTING THE 114 ACCESS GATE TO TO RESIDENTS ONLY? I MEAN, IF WE WANT CONSTRUCTION TO GO THROUGH THERE, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO KEEP THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC OFF OF SHADY OAKS.

WOULD WE NOT WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THAT SAME DELIVERY TRAFFIC AND STUFF OFF OF SHADY OAKS IN PERPETUITY? OR WHY ARE WE LIMITING IT? BECAUSE I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BECOMING A PASS THROUGH, BECAUSE I GUESS YOU WOULD WANT IT TO BE EXIT ONLY FOR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO 114. THAT'S A PRIMARY CONCERN. YES, SIR. BUT COMING MAYBE ENTRANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF KEEPING TRYING TO KEEP MORE CARS OFF OF THE SHADY OAKS AND ONTO THAT, THAT MORE STURDY ACCESS ROAD, POTENTIALLY. YEAH.

THE DELIVERY POINT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE WORLD OF AMAZON AND DOORDASH, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE SOME DELIVERY ACCESS YEAH.

THE MAIN CONCERN IS NOT CREATE TO YOUR POINT, NOT CREATING THE PASS THROUGH. AND WE FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE IT RESTRICTED TO ESPECIALLY TO RESIDENTS ONLY, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY TO GET SOME DELIVERY SOMETHING OR OTHER. WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S DONE IN ALL GATED COMMUNITIES. THE DELIVERY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GO IN THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD TELL THEM TO TELL UPS AND AND AMAZON AND EVERYONE TO GO THROUGH HERE.

AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE CODE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GATED COMMUNITIES.

AND AS FAR AS THE WALL GOES, I ASSUME THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD RATHER HAVE MASONRY WALL VERSUS WROUGHT IRON.

YES. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IF I WERE THERE.

AND SO FOR ME, I WOULD MUCH RATHER APPEASE THE NEW SOUTHLAKE CITIZENS THAN THE PEOPLE DRIVING ON 114 THAT MAY SEE PARTS OF THE WALL, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE WALL IS GOING TO BE VERY VISIBLE WITH THAT. AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULDN'T WANT A WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON 114 STARING OUT MY BACK DOOR. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU CONTINUE DOWN SHADY OAKS AND YOU TURN RIGHT, THERE'S THAT LITTLE AREA WHEN YOU TURN RIGHT TO TAKE YOU TO 114 RIGHT THERE.

IS THAT DOVE OR IS. YEAH. DOVE. YEAH. TURN AROUND.

DOVE. SO BETWEEN DOVE, LIKE, IF YOU TURN RIGHT UNDER THE ACCESS ROAD BETWEEN DOVE AND YOUR 114 ACCESS POINT.

EXCUSE ME? YOUR ACCESS POINT. YOU KNOW, AT THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS WAS SPEAKING TO, IS THE ENTRY TO 114 BETWEEN THERE OR IS THERE AN ENTRY THERE AT ALL? I CAN'T REMEMBER. SO, YES. SO THE ENTRANCE TO THE HIGHWAY IS HERE.

OKAY. OH, I SEE IT RIGHT THERE. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT NORTH OF OUR SITE. YEAH.

ONLY REASON I RAISED THAT FOR THE SAKE OF THE CONVERSATION IS I SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT A PASS THROUGH, BUT THAT CONCERN IS LESS BECAUSE THE ENTRY ONTO 114 IS THERE BECAUSE FEW PEOPLE ARE GOING DOWN SHADY OAKS AND WANTING TO PASS THROUGH TO STAY ON THE ACCESS ROAD OF 114 VERSUS IF THAT ENTRY RAMP WAS BEYOND THAT BACK EXIT, YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE CREATING A MASSIVE PASS THROUGH AT THAT POINT.

SO I DO AGREE IT'S LESS CONCERNED SINCE THE ENTRY RAMP TO 114 IS BEFORE THAT.

YEAH. GOOD POINT. DOES IT STAY LIKE THAT THOUGH. IS THAT THE NEW ENTRY ROAD.

OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S ALL CHANGING TOO. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY INCENTIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAY, YOU KNOW, APPLE MAPS OR WAZE OR WHATEVER IS GOING TO, LIKE, DO AS FAR AS ROUTING PEOPLE AROUND.

AND THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT AT DOVE DOES GET BACKED UP.

SO JUST. IT WOULD BE A PASS THROUGH. THE QUESTION IS TO WHAT DEGREE WAS THE PASS? BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE. YEAH. GOOD POINT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. ITEM 6.

A AND 6. B ARE BOTH SECOND READING. SO WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6.

A AND 6.B. WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMENT CARDS. WE'LL START WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

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SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ESTHER SPICKLER AT 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B.

ESTHER SPICKLER 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. I WANTED TO START WITH SAYING THAT TODAY I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF GOING TO THE TARRANT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING IN FORT WORTH THIS MORNING AND AFTER WITNESSING SOME BRUTAL ATTACKS ON THE COMMISSIONERS I'M GLAD THAT THEY PREVAILED IN REDISTRICTING. TARRANT COUNTY AND I WANT TO EXPRESS MY DEEP APPRECIATION FOR ALL OF YOU WHO VOLUNTEERED TO DO THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SOMETIMES GET A LOT OF UNPLEASANT THINGS SAID TO YOU.

AS REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT BE RESIDENTIAL THAN COMMERCIAL.

I'M HAPPY THAT WE HAVE THE TREE ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE TREES AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THE FLAVOR OF SHADY OAKS THE SAME.

THAT'S REALLY KEY. I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS TRUMP WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE WOULD BE ALL ONE ACRE LOTS, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO TO IMPOSE EVERY MEASURE POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. AND IF THEY COME ACROSS, HAVING TO DISPOSE OF THEM BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THEN THERE SHOULD BE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THAT, THAT THE REPLACEMENT AND WHATNOT.

AND ALSO, I WANT TO TAKE YOU FOR YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE EFFECT ON THE CREEK, WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I'M HERE, IS BECAUSE I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AND I HAVE A CREEK, AND THAT CREEK AFFECTS MY BRIDGE AND MY NEIGHBOR'S BRIDGE.

THERE WAS LIKE A TREE STUCK IN MY NEIGHBOR'S BRIDGE AFTER THE RECENT RAINS.

SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE IS THAT IF YOU WOULD JUST PRESERVE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS RUSSELL HAWLEY AT 692. GARDEN COURT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS. MAYOR. COUNCIL. HI, I'M RUSSELL HOLLY, 692 GARDEN COURT.

I'VE LIVED ON GARDEN COURT IN THAT HOUSE FOR 30 YEARS SINCE 1995.

ENJOYED SHADY OAKS TREMENDOUSLY. BEING VERY TRANQUIL AND PROBABLY THE PRETTIEST DRIVE IN THE CITY WITH ALL THE TREES. LIKE ESTHER, I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET RID OF ANY TREES AND KEEP IT LIKE IT IS.

BUT I'M ALSO A REALIST, AND I REALIZED THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING THERE.

SO I, I'M JUST ACTUALLY UP HERE TODAY, TO SUPPORT SIX A AND B BECAUSE WHICH BY THE WAY I, I WORK IN TOWN CENTER AS WELL SINCE 2008. SO I'M BASICALLY ALL IN.

RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO STAY THAT WAY IN MY HOUSE IN SOUTHLAKE.

I WAS HERE ON THE 15TH OF APRIL. DIDN'T SPEAK BECAUSE I JUST HAD A LITTLE PROCEDURE, BUT I WAS HERE TO SUPPORT.

AND THE COUNCIL VOTED SIX ZERO ON THIS DEAL. OKAY.

LITTLE TWEAKS HERE AND THERE. I WASN'T ABLE TO COME ON MAY 6TH.

I WAS OUT OF TOWN. AND UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER THAT, WELL, THANK YOU FOR TABLING IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT IT TO TO GO DOWN.

BUT I WAS CONCERNED THAT THINGS CAME UP ABOUT COMMERCIAL ETCETERA.

WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT TO KEEP THE TREES, TO KEEP SOUTHLAKE AS BEST AS WE CAN.

IT REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO LET SOMEONE LIKE JOHN AND HIS GROUP DO THIS AND TRY TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.

NOT LIKE THE BANK. WE WERE LIED TO ABOUT THE BANK ON THE CORNER.

THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO KEEP A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES. THEY KNOCKED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM DOWN AND REPLACED THEM WITH LITTLE BUSHES THAT MIGHT BE AFTER WE'RE ALL DEAD BACK UP AGAIN. DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE. I'D MUCH PREFER TO SEE IT REALLY TAKE SHAPE WITH THE NEW PLAN.

ONLY 27 LOTS. I THINK THAT WILL WORK. WE DO HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, BUT IF WE GO COMMERCIAL, WE GO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS LOW DENSITY THING IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT WORSE RUNOFF.

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SO I IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE, TO SAY YES TO THIS SO WE CAN, YES, BE REAL AND KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PUT SOMETHING THERE, BUT KEEP IT AS LOW DENSITY AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU SIR. NEXT UP IS GREG KRAUSS, 596 GARDEN COURT WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX A AND SIX B.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, GREG KRAUSS 596 GARDEN COURT AND PRESIDENT OF THE GARDEN COURT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

BEFORE I LAUNCH IN, AND I THINK SOME OF THE PRIOR SPEAKERS HAVE HAVE REALLY SORT OF STATED POSITIONS.

WELL, I DID WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY POINT OUT SOMETHING FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION REGARDING THE CUT THROUGH.

IF THE 114 ENTRANCE IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, I WAS AT A NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SHIVERS TRACT ON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 114, WHICH HAS A PROJECT WITH A GROCER AND, YOU KNOW, A MIXTURE OF USES THAT ARE GOING THERE, WHICH WILL BE VERY POPULAR WITH OUR GOING HOME TRAFFIC.

AND AS A RESIDENT THAT HAS TO NAVIGATE THE 114 INTERCHANGE, IT'S GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE.

IT TOOK ME THREE LIVES TO GET THROUGH IT. AND I CAN TELL YOU I'LL TAKE THE TEXAS U-TURN, CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK ANYONE THAT'S GOING DOWN SHADY OAKS IS GOING TO USE THAT.

AND IT'S JUST FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THESE NEW NEIGHBORS.

IT WILL MAKE MY LIFE EASIER. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

I JUST WANT TO REALLY REITERATE WHERE WE'VE COME FROM WITHOUT BEING TOO REPETITIVE.

MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE UNANIMOUSLY REJECTED THE CONCEPT OF COMMERCIAL.

WE THINK IT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE USE, AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED WHEN CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS BROUGHT UP COMMERCIAL AS BEING SOMETHING VIABLE.

PROFESSIONALLY, I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT BUSINESS FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE INVESTMENT AND ACQUISITION OF IN EXCESS OF $50 BILLION OF ASSETS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

AND I FEEL LIKE I'M EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THE SUITABILITY OF COMMERCIAL.

AND THIS AMONG THE 114 FREEWAY OPTIONS, IS ONE OF THE LEAST ATTRACTIVE COMMERCIAL TRACTS THAT I'M AWARE OF.

AND I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE. SECONDARILY, I THINK COMMERCIAL WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE REAL ESTATE VALUES OF ALL THE RESIDENTS ALONG SHADY OAKS, AND IT WOULD DESTROY THE CHARACTER THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL MAXIMIZE TREE PRESERVATION.

DROP THE COMMERCIAL DISCUSSION. AND WE'VE SEEN A REDUCTION IN DENSITY HERE, AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT WE HAVE JOHN WAGNER AT 519 FOX GLEN.

WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX A AND SIX B.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCILMAN. I TOO COME HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I LIVE AT 519 FOX GLEN, AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF FOX HOLLOW HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH HAS SEVEN RESIDENTS THAT BORDER THIS PROPERTY IS THE CLOSEST TO IT. WE'VE SINCE APRIL 15TH. I WAS THERE FOR THAT.

LIKE THE GENTLEMAN, SECOND GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME. HE WAS GONE.

I WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE ON MAY 6TH AND BUT CAME HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IT.

WE TOO HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD THAT WOULDN'T BE HAPPY WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT UNANIMOUS SUPPORT IN OUR DIVISION TO GO WITH THIS PLAN.

I THINK THE DEVELOPERS HAVE GONE OVERBOARD TO TRY TO WORK WITH US AND TO WORK WITH TRYING TO PRESERVE THIS.

WE, TOO WANT TO MAINTAIN ALL THOSE TREES, BECAUSE YOU CAN GO THROUGH FOX HOLLOW AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OLD, LARGE OAK TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. AND IT JUST IT MAKES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. WE LOVE THE SHADY OAKS DRIVE AND WANT TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THAT.

AND IT'S BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES. IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE REFRESHING DRIVES IN THE WAY HOME, AND I GET TO ENJOY THAT EVERY NIGHT. SO WE'RE TOTALLY AGAINST COMMERCIAL.

AND WE REGARDS TO THE TREE MITIGATION AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO SPEAK IN TERMS OF THE ROAD AND THE CONNECTION, OUR DESIRE WOULD BE THE KEY CARD SO THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE THE ONLY ONES WE WOULD RATHER NOT AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT,

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BUT I THINK MAKING THAT ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS ONLY THROUGH KEY CARDS AFTER IT'S DEVELOPED IS MAKES A WHOLE, OF SENSE. SO I THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE IT.

AND THAT'S COMMENTS THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT WE HAVE SUMUDU PERERA AT 693 GARDEN COURT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX B.

YOU CAN ADJUST THAT MICROPHONE. THERE YOU GO. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SUMUDU PERERA. I AM A RESIDENT OF GARDEN COURT FOR 15 ODD YEARS AND JUST STEPS AWAY FROM 1835 SHADY OAKS DRIVE.

I HATE TO REPEAT WHAT EVERYONE JUST SAID, AND I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID.

WHAT I WANT IS TO URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO WHAT, I WAS HERE IN THE MEETING DURING APRIL MEETING, I WASN'T HERE FOR MAY MEETING. I URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO WHAT ALL MY NEIGHBORS SAID AND RESPECT THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROTECT THE CHARACTERS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

ESPECIALLY THEIR TREES AND TRAFFIC. WE DO NOT SUPPORT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN ANY WAY. PLEASE SAY NO TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS SPECIFICALLY THIS SITE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND DO WISH TO SPEAK, JUST COME ON DOWN.

FIRST WE HAVE BEN AND CINDY ALLEN AT 601 GARDEN COURT.

DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD SUPPORT FOR SIX A AND SIX B.

YEAH. COME ON DOWN. AND AGAIN, THE RULES ARE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GREEN MEANS GO. YELLOW MEANS ONE MORE MINUTE AND THEN RED MEANS STOP.

SO GO AHEAD. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. BEN ALLEN, 601 GARDEN COURT.

AND LIKE A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS I'VE. I THINK WE BOUGHT OUR LOT IN 92 AND FINISHED BUILDING AROUND 95.

AND IF YOU COULD HAVE SEEN SHADY OAKS, THEN IT'S CANOPIED.

AND IT WAS IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE, THE BEAUTY OF THAT STREET.

BUT I WOULD JUST NOT TO BE REDUNDANT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE'S NO IN OUR IN OUR MIND, THERE'S THIS. OBVIOUSLY, NONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE PERFECT.

WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM REMAIN LIKE, SEE THE AREA REMAIN LIKE IT IS.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID LIKE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL RESPECT THE WISHES THAT WE WE'RE THE ONES LIVING THERE AND WE KNOW WHAT COMMERCIAL WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND HOPEFULLY, AS OUR, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THIS IS I DON'T THE SUPPORT OF THIS IS ALMOST OVERWHELMING.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT IS TRISH. ANJALI LAM AT 697 GARDEN COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK WITH RECORD SUPPORT FOR SIX A AND SIX B.

HILARY RAMBLER AT 602 STONEBOROUGH DRIVE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. MELISSA PARROT AT ONE 901 WHITE OAK CLEARING HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO SIX A AND SIX B. RAJIV PEREIRA, AT 693 GARDEN COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS SUPPORT TO SIX B.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME EMAILS THAT HAVE COME IN. JOHN SPEIER I DON'T SEE HIS ADDRESS, BUT SUPPORTS RESIDENTIAL. ROSS AND VICKY RYAN AT 506 FOX. GLEN DO NOT WANT IT TO BE COMMERCIAL AND WANT TO SEE IT ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL.

HADI AGHILY AT 514 FOX GLEN. WANT TO SEE THE LAND DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL?

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AGREE WITH FOX HOLLOW NEIGHBORS THAT IT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL ONLY.

THOSE ARE THE EMAILS. THEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THAT WENT OUT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO I'LL READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD IF YOU'LL JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.

HADI AGHILY AT 514 FOX GLEN FAVORS RESIDENTIAL AND AS OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

BEN AND CINDY ALLEN AT 601 GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL.

OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL. TROY BARRON AT 508 FOX GLEN.

FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL. OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL. ELISA BARRON AT 508 FOX GLEN.

FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL DAN COMB AT 339 WEST HIGHLAND IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL. ANTHONY GONSALVES AT 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

LANA HAWLEY AT SIX NINE, TWO GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

RUSSELL HAWLEY AT SIX NINE, TWO GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

GREG AND RHONDA KRAUS, ALSO THE GARDEN COURT HOA PRESIDENT, IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL, CHIP AND TRISH LAM AT 697 GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

MICHAEL MILLS, AT 520 WEST HIGHLAND STREET IS IN FAVOR.

RAJIV AND SUMUDU PERERA AT 693 GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

CHAD AND MARCI PETERS AT 1816 SHADY OAKS DRIVE IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

ROSS AND VIKKI RYAN AT 506 FOX GLEN IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

JENNI SCHULZ AT 696 GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

BRYAN AND JACQUELINE SCHULZ AT 696 GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

JOHN SPIER AT 509 FOX GLEN, ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF FOX HOLLOW HOA, IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

DENNIS SPICKLER AT 1950. SHADY OAKS DRIVE OPPOSED ESTHER SPICKLER 1953.

SHADY OAKS DRIVE OPPOSED. CHAD AND ELIZABETH CHARLES AND ELIZABETH VAUGHN FOXHOLLOW RESIDENT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL. OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL. JOHN WAGNER 519 FOX GLEN IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL.

OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL. NANCY WAGNER AT 519 FOX GLEN IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL.

OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL. AND JORDAN WALBRIDGE AT 600 GARDEN COURT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL AND OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR.

COME ON DOWN, SIR? OR IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT CARD, JUST BRING THEM FORWARD. BUT COME ON DOWN, SIR. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. MARK VYSOTSKY I'M AT 511 FOX CLAN.

HOPEFULLY I'M THE LAST ONE, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE THE PLOT PLAN.

JUST ONE THING TO CONSIDER. THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS YOU CAN.

CONSIDER IT BEING COMMERCIAL. IT WOULD BE A CONCRETE JUNGLE.

YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE 60 TO 70% OF THESE TREES WIPED OUT.

SO THAT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS.

HOPEFULLY THAT Y'ALL WILL APPROVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? COME ON DOWN SIR. AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU'LL HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES. OKAY, SO MY NAME IS ANTHONY GONSALVES.

I'M AT 1740 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST REITERATE THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL ON SIX A AND SIX C, FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ARTICULATED.

PARTICULARLY WE PREFER RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

I'VE REALLY JUST ONE QUESTION. AND THAT IS ON THE MASONRY WALL.

AS COUNCILMAN TAGGART POINTED OUT, THERE'S SOME PLACES WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE RELATIVELY HIGHER OR LOWER RELATIVE TO THE ROADWAY.

AND I THINK RATHER THAN HAVING THE WALL AT A FIXED HEIGHT, I THINK IT PERHAPS WE COULD CONSIDER HAVING IT AT A FIXED HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE ROADWAY SO THAT WHERE THE LAND IS LOWER, MAYBE THE WALL COULD BE TALLER AND WHERE THE LAND IS HIGHER, MAYBE LOWER. AND I'D LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT WALL BEING AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE FOR NOISE ABATEMENT, BECAUSE THE LOSS OF THOSE TREES WILL HAVE AN IMPACT, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT,

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BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT A WALL HIDDEN BY LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE PROPOSING, FEELS LIKE A VERY ELEGANT SOLUTION THAT OUGHT TO WORK FOR EVERYONE.

I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT THE HEIGHT BE HIGH ENOUGH FOR NOISE ABATEMENT, AND PARTICULARLY IN AREAS WHERE THE UNDERLYING GROUND IS LOWER. PERHAPS THE WALL COULD BE TALLER. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING OR SUBMIT ANY KIND OF COMMENT CARD? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR THE APPLICANTS OR ANY DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS COULD TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO START LISTING SOME STUFF OUT.

SO I'M SORRY IF IT'S IF I TALK TOO LONG OR OR WHATEVER, BUT I STILL HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ON THIS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THEM. FIRST OFF, WHAT I HEAR FROM THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS, I 100% AGREE THAT THEY WANT A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS COMMERCIAL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I TOTALLY GET THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE TREE PRESERVATION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN 27 LOTS.

I THINK THAT THIS COULD BE COULD BE A VERY, VERY BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOTS IN THERE.

AND I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER COMING BACK WITH 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

I THINK THAT'S A HUGE HELP. BUT I STILL FEEL THAT IF YOU HAD A DEVELOPMENT IN THERE WITH 15 LOTS OR 17 LOTS AND A LOT MORE TREES THAN YOU WOULD HAVE IN AN EXQUISITE NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET INTO TAX RATES AND WHAT THE CITY GETS ON INCOME, WHICH IS IRRELEVANT TO ME, THEN THOSE, PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE A HIGHER RATE OF TAXES COMING INTO THE CITY VERSUS VERSUS THESE.

SO THERE'S THERE'S THAT. ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ADJACENT HAD SAID THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL.

THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN. AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN WILLIAMSON WASN'T HERE FOR THAT.

SO BUT HE ALSO ADDED, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT HIS PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY NORTH, IT DOES AFFECT HIS PROPERTY.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT WILL AFFECT HIS PROPERTY.

WHAT HAPPENS HERE? WHICH IF HE KNEW THAT AHEAD OF TIME HE MIGHT CHANGE HIS SUPPORT OF THAT ON SOUND.

THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT TO GIANT TREES ALONG 114 ALONG THAT EDGE.

AND I FEEL THAT THE FACT THAT YOU COULD PUT SOMEONE'S HOUSE, THE WALL OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE 50FT FROM 114 WITHOUT SOUND PROTECTION IS IS JUST CRAZY. I MEAN, AND THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO BUILD THIS WALL ALONG 114 WITHOUT RUNNING EQUIPMENT DOWN THAT WHOLE SECTION, WHICH THEN COMPLETELY GETS RID OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TREE PRESERVATION.

THE ANALYSIS THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE. AND ALSO ON THAT NOTE, ON THE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS PLAN THAT THEY HAVE STILL WE STILL SEE OR I STILL SEE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY WILL AGREE WITH ME OR NOT, BUT VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE SECTIONS OF TREE CONSERVATION THAT GO INTO WHERE A HOUSE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE.

SO IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEP THIS CONSERVATION ANALYSIS AS AN ACCURATE PLAN. I THINK WE'RE SETTING A BAD PRECEDENCE OF HOUSES BEING SO CLOSE TO 114.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT REALLY ANYWHERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

THESE HOUSES WILL BE RIGHT ON TOP OF 114. MEADOWVIEW IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST THING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD BY 114 THAT I CAN REFER TO.

AND THOSE LOTS ARE EASILY 150FT FROM 114, MAYBE 200.

IN A LOT OF CASES, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? I MEAN, THAT GIVES YOU THE TREE PRESERVATION, GIVES THE SOUND BARRIER.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A WALL. SO OVERALL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I FEEL THAT THIS COULD BE A REALLY GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS PLANNED OUT, KEEPING THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN PLACE.

THANKS. THANK YOU. WHO'S NEXT? OKAY, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS AS WELL THAT I JUST WANT TO JUST STATE AND NOT

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FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO JOHN FOR WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THIS.

YOU'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ALONG THE WAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S DIFFICULT.

YOU'RE JUMPING INTO A PROCESS WHERE YOU GET TWO NEW COUNCILMEMBERS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OF THE SECOND READING.

SO I GET THAT. I'M ALSO BEEN IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR 20 YEARS AND BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAIS, NOT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, BUT IN A NUMBER OF ZONING CASES FOR PROJECTS THAT I'M AUTHORING.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND IT'S FRUSTRATING.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO ALONG THE WAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING US TO THIS FAR. I DO STRUGGLE WITH THIS, THOUGH.

AND, AND I'VE SHARED THAT A LITTLE BIT. I, I THINK I HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED FOR COMMERCIAL HERE, AND I JUST WANT TO ARTICULATE THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT.

AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR COMMERCIAL. I HEAR YOU, I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE ROUTE WE SHOULD GO, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, IF YOU MEASURE FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF 114 TO THAT FIRST ROAD, IT'S REALLY A NORTH SOUTH ROAD, BUT IT LOOKS EAST WEST HERE. THAT'S ABOUT 150FT.

WHAT I WAS ADVOCATING FOR IS REMOVAL OF THAT RESIDENTIAL AND THAT 150FT BEING COMMERCIAL.

THE REST OF THIS BEING RESIDENTIAL, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPACT LESS TRAFFIC ON SHADY, SHADY COURT, BECAUSE THOSE 12 HOMES THAT ARE UP AGAINST 114 ARE GOING TO GO DOWN SHADY OAKS TO GET BACK TO 114, TO EITHER GO WEST ON THAT TURNAROUND OR GET ON THIS FRONTAGE ROAD AND GET RIGHT ON 114 RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE THROUGH THE LIGHT IN A COMMERCIAL SCENARIO.

IT WOULD JUST BE INGRESS AND EGRESS ON 114 WITHOUT ACCESS TO TO SHADY.

THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS. BUT I HEAR YOU. IT'S STILL NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO.

AND I DO THINK IT IS A BETTER SOUND BARRIER. SO PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, KNOWING THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT COMMERCIAL HERE.

COUNCILMAN, TAGGART POINTED OUT, AND I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS.

SOUTHLAKE MEADOWS WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST HEARING ON THIS AS SORT OF THE STANDARD.

IT'S ACTUALLY 220FT FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE HOMES, NOT THE HOMES ENVELOPE.

RIGHT. AND THEN IF YOU MEASURE OTHER AND I THINK LISTEN, AS SOUTHLAKE IS BEING BUILT OUT, THE STANDARD RISES, IT RISES, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.

RIGHT. I REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE 94% BUILT OUT.

SO THE TRACKS THAT ARE LEFT ARE REALLY HARD TO, TO WORK THROUGH.

BUT BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THEM TOO.

SO IF YOU GO DOWN 114, YOU GO INTO IRVING. THOSE HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ON.

114 THOSE ARE 25FT OFF THE FRONTAGE ROAD, RIGHT? IF YOU GO UP TO TROPHY CLUB WEST ON 114, THERE'S HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 114.

THOSE ARE 50FT OFF TO THE FENCE LINE, NOT TO THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

IF YOU GO DOWN TO I-30 IN ARLINGTON WHERE YOU SEE RESIDENTIAL.

THE MINIMUM IS 120 TO 1 150FT. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT A GREEN BUFFER.

THIS RIGHT HERE IS PRESENTED AS 25FT SETBACK AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 25FT.

TO GET TO THE BUILDING ENVELOPE OF THE HOME RIGHT, NOT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

I JUST LIKE TO SEE A BIGGER SETBACK. I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD THE SETBACK.

IS 150FT, SO IT TAKES IT TO THIS ROAD. AND WHETHER THAT'S COMMERCIAL OR A GREEN BELT OR WHATEVER.

I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ON 114 SEEING HOMES IN THE WINTERTIME.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THE TREES. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH ON IT.

SO THANK YOU, SIR. ON THIS SIDE. I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT BOTH COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST SAID.

ONE, I'VE BEEN DRIVING THE PROPERTY AND BEEN.

I DROVE FOX HOLLOW AGAIN THIS WEEKEND, AND ONE THING THAT PERPLEXES ME IS THAT FOX HOLLOW, THE CUL DE SAC AND BACK OF THE CUL DE SAC THERE IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS AN OFFICE, IT'S GARDEN OFFICE I BELIEVE IT'S A STATE FARM OFFICE.

IT IS VERY SHADED. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.

THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF BUFFERING THE BACK END OF FOX HOLLOW AT THAT POINT.

AND THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES THAT ONE OTHERS OFF OF SHADY OAKS AT THE END OF SHADY OAKS.

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THEY'RE TREED, THERE'S BIG SETBACKS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

MY CONCERN FOR I KNOW ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY EQUATE ANY COMMERCIAL TO THE BANK, WHICH I NEVER WOULD HAVE APPROVED IF I WERE SITTING UP HERE AT THE TIME, BECAUSE FOR ALL THE REASONS THEY'VE STATED, THE BANK IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAT STATE FARM OFFICE THAT BACKS UP TO FOX HOLLOW.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ONE IT'S EITHER THE BANK KIND OF COMMERCIAL OR PUT THE HOUSES ON 114, WHICH IS ANOTHER CONCERN FOR ME IS HAVING VISIBLE HOUSES FROM 114.

SO THAT'S MY $0.02 WORTH. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS WE APPROVE THIS THE FIRST READING AND DIDN'T ASK FOR A TON OF THIS STUFF. AND NOW WE'VE CHANGED OUR PLAN. WE'RE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GIVING THESE GUYS A MOVING TARGET AT EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. WE HAVE AN ENTIRE LIST OF RESIDENTS HERE AND CITIZENS THAT ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS PLAN.

AND IT'S REALLY, IN MY OPINION, BEST FOR THE CITY.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE DON'T NEED MORE OFFICE ON 114 OR ANYWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW.

THESE HOUSES WILL GET SOLD. THEY WILL GENERATE TAX REVENUE. THEY'LL PUT KIDS IN SCHOOLS.

THIS IS WHAT SOUTHLAKE NEEDS. THIS IS WHAT THESE RESIDENTS WANT. I FEEL LIKE THESE DEVELOPERS, NOT THIS PLAN, BUT THE ONE THEY'RE PROPOSING. THEY'VE JUMPED THROUGH EVERY HOOP WE'VE ASKED THEM TO, AND WE JUST WE KEEP CHANGING THE CHANGING THE FINISH LINE FOR THEM.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S I WOULD BE EXCEEDINGLY FRUSTRATED IF I WERE THEM.

I DO I SUPPORT THIS. SORRY. I DO LIKE THE THE DENSITY.

NOW THAT TWO HOMES, THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ITERATION, BUT THE CORRECT ITERATION NOW THAT TWO HOMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

I STRUGGLE WITH THE FENCE. AND AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THE PICTURE, JOHN.

OF THE OF THE ACTUAL ACCESS ROAD. THE BUFFER YARD.

I REALLY WOULD. IF WE GET TO A MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING IN IT CONCERNING PRESERVING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, DURING CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR AS SOMEBODY SAID, THAT'S A NATURAL BUFFER ALREADY, ESPECIALLY THOSE LARGE TREES. IT'S NOT SO MUCH IN THE WINTER, BUT AND THE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING SURE THE FENCE LINE IS CONSISTENT.

SO IF THE LAND CHANGES AND GOES DOWN, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT ALL ALONG BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE WINTER.

SO BUT I HAVE COMMENTED, I MEAN, I DID LIKE THE FIRST ITERATION WHERE IT WAS COMMERCIAL BEING A BUFFER UP TO 114 AND THAT IS A HUGE SOUND BARRIER. IT HAS TO BE, BUT I'M FINE WITH THIS.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHO'S ACCESSING WHAT WHERE.

BUT I GUESS IF THERE'S ALREADY UPS AND FEDEX TRUCKS UP AND DOWN SHADY OAKS, THEN I GUESS MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE OF THEM THERE. BUT YEAH, I'M I WOULD JUST LIKE IF WE GET TO A MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE MOTION ABOUT PROTECTING AS MUCH AS THAT NATURAL SHRUBBERY AND TREES ALONG 114.

SO ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD, WOULD THE, WOULD THE MASONRY WALL NOT BE BUILT BASICALLY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STREET OUT LIKE THAT'S YOUR ACCESS WOULD BE COMING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STREET. YOU WOULDN'T BE TEARING UP ANYTHING COMING FROM THE ACCESS ROAD IN.

EVERYTHING WOULD BE DONE FROM THE BACKYARDS OF THE HOUSES. CORRECT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD MITIGATE DESTROYING THAT, THAT THAT PROPERTY SIGNIFICANTLY.

NO, IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T MAKES IT EVEN WORSE BECAUSE FOR THEM TO PUT IF THEY CAME IN FROM THE PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN ANALYSIS, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, THEN TO COME IN FROM THE PROPERTY, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE OUTER, THE BACK EDGES OF EACH OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO GET TO WHERE THE THIS WALL WOULD BE.

WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THEY'RE GOING TO PUT STUFF BACK THERE TO PUT POOLS IN, TO PUT HOUSES IN, TO PUT. AND THAT'S MY POINT. THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. YOU'D RATHER BE YOU'D RATHER BE COMMERCIAL WHERE THEY JUST TEAR IT ALL OUT. NO, NO, NO.

WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT I AM I, I GET THE WHOLE REQUEST FOR RESIDENTIAL.

SO TWO POINTS. FIRST I WANT TO BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY A COUPLE OF MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS COUNCIL.

YEAH. I WASN'T HERE IN APRIL. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN TABLED.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN PUSHED, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT I AND ANOTHER COUNCILMAN WERE GOING TO BE UP HERE AT THIS POINT. WE DO REPRESENT PEOPLE IN SOUTHLAKE AS WELL.

AND WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THIS, I HAVE TO STAND WITH THE VOTE AND HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE ON IT.

SO IF I HAVE AN OPINION, WHICH I, I'M ONE OF SEVEN PEOPLE.

AND SO THEREFORE THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S SEVEN DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE. WE SHOULD ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS COME UP, THEN THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN OTHER PEOPLE.

MY OPINION IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE GREAT HERE.

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AND THAT IS WHAT I WOULD BE FINE WITH. AND I MAKE THE ASSUMPTION, AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S PROBABLY REALLY RIGHT.

IT'S FEASIBLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT. CORRECT.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS TO 15 ACRES. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO IF THEY COULD, THEY WOULD, I THINK. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT IS POSSIBLE NOT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT IS COMPLETELY POSSIBLE TO RUN A NEIGHBORHOOD UP IN THERE.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 27 LOTS, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

THE REASON WHY THEY'RE AT 27 LOTS IS BASED ON THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT OF THE LAND THAT THEY HAVE.

THE REASON WHY THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT OF THE LAND THAT THEY HAVE IS HIGH FOR THEM IS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON COMMERCIAL LAND.

I DIDN'T SAY IT WASN'T PHYSICAL POSSIBLE. AND HONESTLY, I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT IS PROBABLY PRICED LIKE COMMERCIAL LAND BECAUSE THE LAND USE PLAN HAD COMMERCIAL UP ON THE HIGHWAY.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE CASE. BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT FIGHTING FOR THAT.

I GET IT. THEY WANT RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE SETBACKS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH SOUTHLAKE MEADOWS, AND I'M NOT EVEN ADVOCATING FOR THAT DEPTH, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, 220.

THIS WOULD BE LIKE 150. COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS? NO. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SURE. SO I MEAN, THE WAY I SEE IT, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS, LISTENING TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE SEEM TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON RESIDENTIAL. EVERYBODY SEEMS TO THINK THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

AS IT RELATES TO SOUND, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT SOUND IS AN ISSUE AGAINST 114 YET THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE CURRENTLY THERE ARE OKAY. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MITIGATE SOUND, BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL SOUND AS A RESULT OF THIS.

AND THEY, IN SPITE OF THAT, COME OUT AND SAID THEY'RE IN SUPPORT.

ANYBODY WHO GOES IN HERE AND CHOOSES TO PURCHASE AND BUILD A HOME IS PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THE SOUND, OR ELSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE. I'M CERTAIN THE DEVELOPERS WON'T HAVE THEM GOING IN WITH EARPLUGS SO THEY DON'T HEAR.

SO REALLY, WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE COMING BACK TO IS THIS SETBACK ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY.

IT'S THE SETBACK ISSUE. AND SURE, I MEAN IDEAL IF WE COULD HAVE IT FURTHER, OF COURSE.

I MEAN BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SETBACK ISSUE FOR NUMBER ONE, THE FUTURE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES WHO AGAIN MAKE THE CHOICE TO PURCHASE IT, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEIR HOME IS GOING TO SIT.

SO THEY HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE ABOUT THE DECISION THEY'RE MAKING.

SO REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS CARS DRIVING BY 114 AND IF WE THINK THEY SHOULDN'T SEE ANY VISIBILITY OF A HOUSE OFF OF 114 FOR THIS SMALL SECTION. I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT THE THAT PORTION OF THE ACCESS ROAD IS A VERY LIGHTLY OF ALL 114 THAT'S A VERY LIGHTLY USED ACCESS AREA THERE. THE MAJORITY OF YOUR TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY IS ON THE MAIN 114 HIGHWAY.

SO IF MY DECISION IS COMING DOWN TO THAT OF THAT VIEW FOR PEOPLE OF MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR HOMES THEN I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT DROPPING TO 27.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO POINT OUT THAT THE SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY GRANTED, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR WORK TO DO IF APPROVED TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS TOUGH.

BUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT TO WHERE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SOME I MEAN, THERE WAS ONE PARTICULAR LOT. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S 19 ON HERE.

THIS WAS THE OLD ONE THOUGH. SO BUT AS IT'S AROUND WE'RE LOT 19 IS ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT WITH THOSE TREES ALL AROUND IT IN EVERY DIRECTION.

BUT SO FOR THOSE REASONS I'M IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU SIR.

I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS ONE FROM THE GET GO.

IT'S YOU KNOW, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON AND I WENT THROUGH MAYOR STACY'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY MANY YEARS AGO, COINCIDENTALLY ON THE CORNER OF SHADY OAKS AND 1709, WHERE I THINK WE SAW, LIKE, 6 OR 7 DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FOR REDEVELOPING OR DEVELOPING FORMER MAYOR STACY'S PROPERTY WHICH IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S A ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE NOW, BUT IT TOOK US YEARS TO GET THERE.

SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT.

I WOULD PREFER THIS TO BE RESIDENTIAL. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTS ACROSS SHADY OAKS IN WANTING THAT,

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I THINK WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY AND THERE'S PEOPLE HERE IN THIS ROOM THAT WE'VE HAD THIS SAME DISCUSSION.

IT CAN BE BETTER EVEN IF WE'VE AGREED ON THE FIRST POINT ABOUT IT BEING RESIDENTIAL RATHER THAN COMMERCIAL.

I THINK IT CAN BE BETTER AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT.

I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC NUMBER TO SAY THIS NUMBER OF LOTS, BUT THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY DOWN THE HIGHWAY OR UP THE HIGHWAY, I GUESS WITH ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BEING, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 200FT AWAY FROM 114.

YOU KNOW, I DRIVE THROUGH LAS COLINAS EVERY DAY AND BY THE GOLF COURSE AND SEE HOUSES THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE TO 114 AND THAT MAY BE OKAY FOR LAS COLINAS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WORKS HERE.

AND I STRUGGLE WITH WHETHER 50FT OF SEPARATION FROM 114 TO THE HOUSE, NOT JUST THE BACKYARD, BUT THE HOUSE IS ENOUGH. AND IF WE START TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN A MASONRY WALL, I THINK SOMEONE OVER HERE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE OR LOSS OF TREES WILL HAPPEN IF WE PUT IN A MASONRY WALL.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE MASONRY WALL. I DON'T THINK IT DOES ANYTHING COMPARED TO YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF TREES THAT WOULD COME WITH THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, I THINK OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL.

I KNOW THE RESIDENTS ARE PROBABLY TIRED OF COMING TO THESE MEETINGS.

THEY'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF MEETINGS AT P&Z AND IN FRONT OF US. BUT I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THERE'S A BETTER OPTION AND YOU KNOW, PROBABLY JUST NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON IT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TWICE A MONTH AND WE'RE NOT BEING PAID BY THE HOUR. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE NEW AND DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL.

BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER, AND I HOPE WE CAN GET THERE.

AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE PAST, WHERE SOMETIMES WE JUST SAY NO AND WE GET A BETTER PRODUCT OR A BETTER APPLICATION.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? GO AHEAD. I HAVE ONE FOR THE DEVELOPER. COME ON DOWN.

CAN YOU GET IT LESS DENSE? CAN YOU GET IT LESS DENSE? SORRY. IS IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO GET IT LESS DENSE? HOW LOW CAN WE GO? ARE WE DONE AND IT'S. IT TOOK A HEAVY AMOUNT OF WRANGLING TO GET MY CLIENTS TO GO FROM 29 TO 27.

27 IS IT? IF THIS FAILS, AND IT'S ENTIRELY Y'ALL'S CHOICE, IT'S COMING BACK AS COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN.

WELL, LET'S VISIT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.

OH, IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE'VE KIND OF BEEN BOUNCING AROUND HERE AS FAR AS TREE PRESERVATION, ACCESS ALL THOSE THINGS. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE MISLED THAT.

OH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED BY RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

AND SO EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IT'S GOING TO BE RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CERTAINLY FREE TO APPLY FOR AND ASK FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WILL FACE THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT THIS RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION HAS.

AND I GET THAT AND AGAIN, I PREFER RESIDENTIAL 100, 100%.

I THINK ONLY A PORTION OF THE LAND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL.

NOT ALL OF IT. THE WHOLE THING IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

NO IT'S NOT. THE LAND USE PLAN. DO WE HAVE THAT ON? YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING, AUSTIN. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE A GRAPHIC ON FUTURE LAND USE IN THERE. RIGHT THERE. THAT THAT'S THE LAND USE OFFICE ON OUR SITE.

DENSITY PORTION TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE CHANGE WE'RE REQUESTING.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. WELL, CONSISTENT WITH THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS, THOUGH, STILL.

AND ALSO, JUST IF I COULD JUST REVISIT A COMMENT FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

THIS ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS HERE, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH MY PROMISE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED ME, WHICH WOULD NOT END UP BEING SOME GIGANTIC CONCRETE MONSTROSITY OVER THERE SO THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE, THAT'S MY WORD. MEANING THE MASONRY WALL.

NO. MEANING AS FAR AS WHAT I HAD SAID IN THE LAST MEETING, THE TREE CONSERVATION ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE APPLY TO OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL. I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT BEING RESIDENTIAL, JUST LIKE I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON TOP OF THAT.

BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT TAKES OVER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND PARKING LOTS AND NOT HAVE TREES, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NOT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED ANYWAY. SO YEAH, I AGREE.

I THINK IT'LL BE HARDER TO HIT THE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH ALL THE PARKING THAT GOES WITH IT.

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IF YOU START HAVING SURFACE PARKING, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE CHALLENGES IN GETTING TO 30%, BUT WE'RE IN 100% ALIGNMENT. NO ONE WANTS COMMERCIAL.

AT SOME POINT, RESIDENTIAL STOPS BEING FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BE HONEST WITH Y'ALL. SO AFTER THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE HAD 29 LOTS.

I WAS ASKED SPECIFICALLY AT THE MEETING AND AFTER THE MEETING TO DROP TWO LOTS SPECIFICALLY.

WE DID WITH THE INTENTION OF BRINGING YOU GUYS A DENSITY PLAN THAT NOT ONLY ALLOWED US TO PRESERVE MORE TREES, BUT ALSO WITH A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT I WAS TOLD WOULD BE SUPPORTED, SO I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH IF THE IF THE VOTE IS NO ON RESIDENTIAL, BUT I DON'T OWN THE LOT THE LAND.

I DON'T HAVE THE LAND UNDER CONTRACT. I'M REPRESENTING OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS LAND DEVELOPED.

AND AT SOME POINT, AND THIS IS THE POINT, THE RESIDENTIAL BECOMES NON ECONOMICAL.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE UPFRONT WITH YOU GUYS. SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

OF COURSE WE HEAR THAT ON OTHER CASES RECENTLY WHERE IT GOES FROM 30 TO 14.

SO I MEAN IF THE LAND HAS BEEN PURCHASED OR IF IT'S UNDER A CONTINGENT DEAL, THEN THOSE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DECIDE BASED ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.

SURE. AND THOSE NUMBERS AS FAR AS PRICE PER LOT OR PRICE PER ACRE, THAT'S I GUESS, IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT DICTATES HOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.

BUT CAN I, CAN I ASK FOR IF RESIDENTIAL IS AN ACCEPTABLE LAND USE, BUT THIS IS A DENSITY THAT YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.

WHAT DENSITY ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH? WELL, LIKE I SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MAGIC NUMBER IS. IT'S IT'S MORE ON THE SETBACK FROM 114, I THINK. YOU KNOW, HAVING IT 50FT FROM 114 TO A BACK DOOR IS A PROBLEM. NOW, IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FURTHER UP, 114 THAT'S 200 PLUS FEET AWAY OR EVEN 100. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS BROUGHT UP 150 TO THE ROAD.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. CAN WE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO.

LET ME CLARIFY, SOUTHLAKE MEADOWS IS AS CLOSE AS 25FT FROM THE HIGHWAY 114 FRONTAGE ROAD.

THERE'S DRAINAGE THROUGH THERE. THE AREAS THAT ARE FURTHER THAN THAT ARE BECAUSE IT'S A CREEK.

OKAY. THE ACTUAL ONE OF THE LOTS IS AS CLOSE AS 25FT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND A FEW MORE ARE 75FT OR SO FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THE ONLY REASON THOSE ARE SET BACK FURTHER IS BECAUSE THERE'S A CREEK GOING.

IT GETS WIDER AND WIDER. THE 25FT IS TO THE FENCE LINE AT THAT ONE PINCH POINT, BUT THEN IT GETS WIDER AND WIDER AND WIDER.

RIGHT. BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING 220FT LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. WE'RE SAYING 125, 150 LIKE ARLINGTON IS ON ONE ON I-30.

RIGHT. IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE STANDARD SHOULD BE HIGHER.

RIGHT. AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT IS FOX GLEN ZONED IS WHAT'S FOX GLEN? SF 20. SF 20. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND 01 ON THE OFFICE COMPONENT.

OKAY. SO IT ESSENTIALLY ONCE AGAIN AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING THIS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS NOW.

IT SHOULD BE LIKE IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD MIRROR ITS NEIGHBORS.

IT SHOULD BE LIKE MINDED TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE. IT MIRRORS THAT RIGHT THERE, DOES IT NOT? I MEAN, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY SF 24 AT 20,000 MINIMUM.

AND DOWN HERE WHERE THEY GO TO ONE ACRES, THEY GO UP ON THEIR SIDE TOO.

SO ONCE AGAIN, I JUST WE'RE JUST WE KEEP MOVING.

I'M SORRY I DISAGREE. IT DOESN'T MIRROR IT, MIRRORS ON THE 20,000 RIGHT UP AT THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ABUT THE RESIDENTIAL FOX GLEN.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO COMMERCIAL ON THOSE PROPERTIES ALONG 114.

SO IF YOU REALLY WANTED IT TO MIRROR. NOBODY WANTS COMMERCIAL.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO PUT COMMERCIAL THERE, THAT'S FINE, BUT NOBODY ELSE WANTS COMMERCIAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M JUST ARGUING WITH THE ARGUMENT THAT WE NEED TO MIRROR THINGS WHEN IT ACTUALLY DOES.

IT DOES MIRROR IT. I MEAN, LOOK AT THE PICTURE. I MEAN, THOSE LOTS ARE RIGHT.

AND THERE'S ALSO THERE'S A COMMERCIAL LOT ON 114 AT THAT POINT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING THAT THAT PIECE THAT'S JUST ADJACENT TO WHAT IS THE SOUTH, BUT IT LOOKS EAST RIGHT HERE ON 114 IS A COMMERCIAL LOT. AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS RESI.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THE CHURCH.

AND FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE. THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF GETTING TO THE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUMS TO MATCH UP, WHICH HAS BEEN A TALKING POINT ON PREVIOUS CASES THAT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY MATCH UP ON THE LOT SIZES. THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE.

IT'S THE PROXIMITY TO 114 FOR LOTS. I THINK IT'S LOTS SEVEN THROUGH 16, ROUGHLY.

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SO I AM CURIOUS. WE SO OUR ORIGINAL BUFFER WAS 25 FOOT.

MR. MAYOR, YOU ASKED US TO MOVE IT TO 50 ON FIRST READING.

WE DID. NOTHING'S CHANGED SINCE THEN. I'M JUST I'M STRUGGLING TO ADAPT TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE MOVING GOALPOSTS.

I WE ARE ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE ADAPTING AND CHANGING, RESPONDING TO ANY REQUEST WE'VE GOT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE THE ENTIRE TIME. CORRIDOR COMMITTEE HAD A SERIES OF REQUESTS WE MADE.

WE MADE THOSE CHANGES. THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE TO WORK WITH AND YOU'VE HEARD THEM TONIGHT, HOW APPRECIATIVE AND INVOLVED THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS, ASKED US TO CONSIDER AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PLAN.

WE DID IT. WE BROUGHT IT TO PNC. WE BROUGHT BOTH PLANS TO PNC, PNC SAID.

WE PREFER THE ALL RESIDENTIAL OVER THE HALF RESIDENTIAL, HALF COMMERCIAL. SO WE BROUGHT THAT TO COUNCIL. APPROVED SIX ZERO FIRST READING, SECOND READING. TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT OF COMMENTS.

WE MADE EVERY SINGLE CHANGE. WE WERE TOLD TO LOSE TWO LOTS.

WE LOST TWO LOTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.

WE'RE REALLY DOING OUR BEST HERE. WELL, THAT KIND OF PROVES THE POINT THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE APPLICATIONS. THEY THEY'RE PART OF A PROCESS.

UNTIL WE SAY YES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES OR THERE COULD BE CHANGES.

IT'S VERY RARE THAT A CASE GOES THROUGH WHERE IT'S JUST RUBBER STAMPED.

SO SURE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT MADE IT THROUGH FIRST READING OR THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN ON BASICALLY NOW A THIRD READING DOESN'T END THE PROCESS IN MY MIND.

AND WE'RE UNTIL WE VOTE, WE'RE OPEN TO FURTHER DISCUSSION OR IDEAS OR QUESTIONS OR COMPLAINTS.

SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

AND I, YOU KNOW, WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL IF IT HAS TO DEVELOP AT ALL, WHICH WE GET THAT PART, THAT IT WILL GET DEVELOPED, BUT IT CAN BE BETTER.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHERE IT CAN BE BETTER.

AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE THERE YET. I THINK WHAT I'LL ADD IS, I MEAN, WE'RE ON TWO SEPARATE TOPICS HERE.

WE'RE ON A TOPIC OF THIS APPLICATION, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.

AND WE'RE ON A TOPIC OF IF WE GIVE PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, THERE'S A THERE'S AN IMPLICATION THERE THAT THERE'S A STRONG LIKELIHOOD THAT IF YOU DO ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING ASKED, THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE VIEWED FAVORABLY WHEN YOU COME BACK.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. AND IF WE VOTE DOWN, WE VOTE DOWN.

IF WE VOTE UP, WE VOTE UP. BUT IT IS A FAIR POINT TO SAY THAT I'D MUCH RATHER OPERATE IN A WAY THAT SAYS IF YOU COME TO FIRST READING AND OR IF YOU COME TO SECOND READING, AND THERE'S NOT A PATH FORWARD THAT WE JUST SAY IT, WE JUST GO, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO 15 FOR THERE REALLY TO BE A PATH FORWARD. BUT, BUT TO SAY GO TO 27 AND DO THESE THINGS, CHANGE YOUR TREES, DO THESE THINGS, AND THEN AND THEN THEY COME AND THEN AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, YEAH.

NOW THEN I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

THAT'S MY OPINION. SO YOU HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON DO YOU WANT TO TABLE OR DO YOU WANT TO VOTE? I WANT TO VOTE. OKAY. I PREFER VOTE. I SAY WE VOTE.

CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? OBVIOUSLY YOU GET A SENSE OF WHERE I AM, BUT IF THE VOTE IS TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, CAN I AT LEAST MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU ALL ADD TO THE MOTION THAT THERE'S ARTICULATION DIFFERENCES IN THE HOMES THAT FACE 114.

THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A VOTE TO APPROVE. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A MOTION TO DENY BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING.

AND THEN IF THAT DENIAL FAILS, WE CERTAINLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

GOT IT, GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. WE ALSO NEED TO GO OVER THE ISSUE OF WE HAVE A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT HERE TOO.

WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR WHERE THERE'S A LAND USE PLAN, AMENDMENT FIRST, AND THEN THE ZONING CASE AND HOW WE WANT IT AND IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FIRST, AND POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT AND HAVING TO UNDO IT IF YOU DON'T GET THE ZONING CHANGE OR HOW DO YOU GUYS WANT TO HANDLE THAT? IT'S COME UP BEFORE. SO CITY ATTORNEY CAN WEIGH IN.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHERE WE'VE HAD THIS SITUATION OF A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT US VOTING ON.

IF THAT VOTE IS DIFFERENT THAN PERHAPS THE ZONING CASE.

RIGHT. SO THE LAND USE AMENDMENT HAS TO COME FIRST.

IF THE LAND USE AMENDMENT WERE TO PASS BUT THEN THE ZONING FAIL THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST THAT THE LAND USE AMENDMENT BE RECONSIDERED TO GO BACK TO ITS CURRENT STATUS.

YES, THAT THAT IS YEAH. OF COURSE YOU'RE THE EXPERT AND THAT'S CORRECT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO AND FULL TRANSPARENCY, IF THAT PASSES, THE LAND USE PLAN PASSES AND THEN THE ZONING CHANGE DOES NOT PASS, THE APPLICANT IS AT RISK OF THE RECONSIDERATION OF THE LAND

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SO IT'S IMPORTANT IN TRANSPARENCY. WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN A COUPLE TIMES AND IT'S JUST EASIER TO START WITH THE DENIAL OF THE LAND USE PLAN A MOTION TO DENY THE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE. WELL, I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SAYING WE DO HAVE TO LAND USE PLAN FIRST.

YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. JUST MOTION TO DENY IT. THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.

YEAH, BUT IF THERE'S A THE ZONING BECOMES IRRELEVANT.

WELL, WHAT IF WE. WHAT IF WE SUPPORT THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT TO GO RESIDENTIAL.

BUT IT'S THE ZONING THAT FAILS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE THE LAND USE PLAN WOULD BE CHANGED.

BUT THE ZONING DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND THE APPLICANT'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT THE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET MY ZONING. AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR THAT REQUEST. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT STAY TO THE NEW LAND USE PLAN.

NO, I'M JUST I'M JUST LAYING OUT THE PROCEDURE THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO BEFORE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT DEPENDING ON HOW THE VOTES ARE.

YOU. IT CHANGES VALUE, POTENTIALLY. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK IT PUTS I THINK I THINK COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS IS RIGHT.

IT PUTS HIM AT RISK OF THE RECONSIDERATION, NOT PASSING. AND THEN HE'S STUCK WITH THE LAND USE PLAN CHANGES THAT HE DOESN'T WANT THAT WE'VE FORCED ON HIM.

I WOULD SAY MOTION TO DENY THE LAND USE PLAN IS WHAT I WOULD DO.

I SAW SOMEONE RAISE THEIR HAND OUT IN THE AUDIENCE. DID YOU WANT TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK, SIR? I'M GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SIX A AND SIX B.

AGAIN JOHN WAGNER AT 519 FOX GLEN AND PRESIDENT FOX HOLLOW.

TWO THINGS THAT CAME ON UP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY. FOX HOLLOW IS 20,000FT² PER LOT TO JUST UNDER AN ACRE.

I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ONE ACRE IN THERE, BUT ALL THOSE ALONG THE LINE FROM FIVE, 12, FIVE, TEN, FIVE, EIGHT, FIVE, SIX, EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE POSITION.

SO SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT AS THE CURRENT PLAN ISN'T REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN FOX HOLLOW, IT'S PRETTY MUCH MIRRORS IT NEXT TO IT. SECOND THING I WANTED TO BRING UP WE LIVE IN 519, WHICH IS AT THE ENTRY POINT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AND IT'S ONE A LARGER LOT, I GUARANTEE YOU.

ON SATURDAY NIGHT WHEN A MOTORCYCLE WAS RUNNING DOWN 114, WE HEAR IT TO THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MITIGATE ANY NOISE OFF OF 114 GOING 6080 MILES AN HOUR. YOU'RE WRONG. I LIVE THERE, I CAN HEAR IT.

AND I GUARANTEE YOU, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UP THERE HEAR CONSTANTLY SO YOU CAN PUT A 50 FOOT WALL UP THERE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS 114.

AND BACK AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS PUT IN, WE TRIED TO GET A WALL PUT IN THERE AND IT DIDN'T GET IN.

YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF THE BUILDING, IT GOT TAKEN OUT.

SO YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER WALL YOU WANT. YOU CAN PUT AS MUCH TREES AS YOU WANT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ROAD NOISE. IT'S JUST A FACT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. MAYOR, COULD I COULD I REQUEST JUST A BRIEF EXECUTIVE SESSION? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071, WE'LL SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY,

[2. A. Executive Session (Part 2 of 2)]

I'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXEC SESSION?

[2.B. Reconvene: Action necessary on items discussed in Executive Session. (Part 2 of 2)]

IF ANYONE NEEDED OR WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE CALL FOR A MOTION ON SIX A AND SIX B.

[Items 6.A. & 6.B. (Part 2 of 2)]

I WILL TAKE, OF COURSE, THE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS SIX A.

WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE FIRST. ITEM SIX A.

MR. MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY. ITEM 6A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 12609-D CP250001. SECOND READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 1835.

SHADY OAK ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1A01B.

JAMES J. WEST SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1620. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS.

AND LOCATED AT 1835 SHADY OAK DRIVE. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY ITEM SIX A, DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

MICROPHONE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

THESE ARE MOTION. THIS IS A MOTION TO DENY. SO A YES VOTE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION TO DENY.

CAST YOUR VOTES. AND THAT MOTION TO DENY CARRIES 4 TO 3.

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MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION WE DENY ITEM NUMBER SIX B ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-830 ZA25-0005. SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS DRIVE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1A01B.

JAMES J. WEST SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1620. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 1835 SHADY OAK DRIVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY ITEM SIX B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES ON A MOTION TO DENY 6B.

A YES VOTE IS TO DENY.

AND THAT MOTION TO DENY SIX B CARRIES 4 TO 3.

ITEM SIX B IS DENIED. NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN A, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER

[7.A. Ordinance No. 480-784A, ZA25-0037, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for 401 Keen Ct., on property described as Lot 6, Block A, Keen Homeplace, and located at 401 Keen Ct. Current Zoning: "SF-IA" Single Family Residential District. Requested Zoning: "SF-IA" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #2.]

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING CURRENTLY SF ONE, TO ADDRESS A CONDITION THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THAT SF ONE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.

THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY IMPACTED BY THIS IS AT 401 KEEN COURT.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. AND LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

CURRENT ZONING IS SF ONE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND REQUESTED ZONING IS SF ONE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO ADDRESS CONDITION AFFECTING ORIENTATION OF THE HOMES ALONG ON 401 IN PARTICULAR, AND ALSO 265 RIDGECREST AND 400 KEEN COURT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THIS PARTICULAR LOT UNDER THE ZONING APPROVAL.

THE ZONING WAS AGREED UPON WHEN IT WAS APPROVED THAT THIS LOT AND THE OTHER LOTS ABUTTING KEEN COURT OR EXCUSE ME, RIDGECREST WOULD HAVE HOMES THAT FACED RIDGECREST VERSUS THE STREET KEEN COURT.

THIS IS ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED HOME. THIS WOULD BE THE WEST FACING ELEVATION TOWARDS RIDGECREST.

REAR ELEVATION AND EAST SIDE LEFT ELEVATION. THIS IS THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN SUBMITTED AND ENLARGE OF THAT.

AND THIS IS THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE RIDGECREST SUBDIVISION.

THIS IS THE LOT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. WITH THAT APPROVAL, THE HOMES ON LOT ONE, SIX AND SEVEN OF THE SUBDIVISION WERE AGREED BY THE DEVELOPER TO FACE RIDGECREST.

AND BOTH LOT ONE WOULD HAVE THEIR ACCESS DIRECTLY THEIR VEHICLE OR DRIVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO RIDGECREST DUE TO WHERE THAT LOT WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY.

HOWEVER, BOTH LOTS SIX AND SEVEN WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF ACCESS TO THE RIDGECREST OR THE CUL DE SAC STREET BEING KEEN COURT. THIS IS THE RECORDED SUBDIVISION PLAT IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND PORTION OF THE PLAT. THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION OF THE ZONING WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH THE PLAT THAT WAS FILED OF RECORD AND THE COUNTY.

THIS IS NOTATION OF THAT, ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT WERE MADE AS PART OF THAT ZONING.

AND THIS IS APPLICANTS EXHIBIT THAT HE'S PROVIDED REGARDING THE DECLARATION OF COVENANTS AND CONDITIONS,

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AND EXHIBIT THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THOSE COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, RESTRICTIONS.

THIS EXHIBIT THAT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDED AS PART OF THAT DECLARATION STATEMENT DID NOT HAVE THE NOTATION THAT THE RECORDED PLAT HAD UPON IT. THIS IS A STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THIS THIS IS FROM KING COURT.

AND WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME RESPONSES WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

ONE RESPONSE AND OPPOSITION SHOWN WITH THE RED DOT.

AND THEN WE HAVE RECEIVED SIX LETTERS OF SUPPORT WITHIN THE KANE HOME PLACE SUBDIVISION SUPPORTING THE REQUEST.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THREE SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT AND THE REVIEW SUMMARY ATTACHED.

AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN SIR. AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. SURE. PAUL ROSTRON, 1206 NORTH CARROLL SOUTHLAKE WITH CALAIS CUSTOM HOMES.

I APPRECIATE YOU ENTERTAINING THIS REQUEST. THIS IS A FAIRLY UNIQUE SCENARIO.

I'VE NEVER HAD A CLIENT SITUATION LIKE THIS IN MY YEARS WITH CALAIS CUSTOM HOMES.

THIS LOT NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS ADDRESS 401 KEEN, WAS PURCHASED BY OUR CLIENT, JAMIE AND IVF PATEL.

THEY PURCHASED THE LOT FROM THE DEVELOPER WHO WAS HAT CREEK DEVELOPMENT COSMICOS.

AND WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE LOT, THE PACKET OF INFORMATION THEY RECEIVED FROM THE DEVELOPER HAD THE PRELIMINARY WHAT WAS CALLED THE FINAL PLAT, BUT IT WAS NOT THE FINAL PLAT THAT DID NOT HAVE THE NOTES RELATED TO LOTS ONE, SIX AND SEVEN BEING REQUESTED TO FACE RIDGECREST.

THE CLIENTS PURCHASED THIS LOT IN NOVEMBER OF 22, AND THE ONLY REASON THEY PURCHASED THIS LOT IS IT WAS A NORTH FACING LOT.

THEY FOLLOW VERY SPECIFIC VASTU DESIGN GUIDELINES.

NORTH FACING WAS CRITICAL TO THEM. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOT, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE SETBACKS FOR THE LOT ARE SET UP TO BE NORTH FACING THE FRONT TO THE NORTH IS A 40 FOOT SETBACK. THE SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE IS 20FT, WHICH WOULD BE THE NORMAL SIDE YARD SETBACK IF IT WAS INTENDED TO FACE RIDGECREST. OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD HAVE HAD A 40 FOOT SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE, SO THE CLIENT PURCHASES THE LOT.

DESIGNS A HOME IS IN FOR PERMIT AND THEN AT THE 11TH HOUR THEY GET A NOTE FROM STAFF SAYING, HEY, BY THE WAY, THERE'S THIS NOTE THAT GOT ADDED THAT WAS NEVER TOLD TO YOU THAT YOUR HOUSE NEEDS TO FACE TO THE WEST.

SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH OKAY. HOW DO WE TRY TO SOLVE FOR THIS PROBLEM? TRYING TO REDESIGN THE HOME DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THE HOME ITSELF HAS VERY SPECIFIC ROOMS AND VERY SPECIFIC QUADRANTS THAT ARE DRIVEN BY THE VASTU RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THAT THEY FOLLOW. SO THE ONE PERSON WHO HAD A CONCERN IN WRITING WAS KAREN BROOKS, WHO IS ACROSS THE STREET ON RIDGECREST.

SO I ACTUALLY SAT DOWN WITH KAREN THIS PAST FRIDAY AT OUR OFFICE IN SOUTHLAKE, AS WELL AS WITH THE TYRELLS, JENNIFER AND JEREMY, WHO WERE IN THE LOT NEXT TO THEM.

THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED, BUT THEY WANTED TO MEET AS WELL.

AFTER SPEAKING WITH THEM, WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A SOLUTION THAT MAKES THEM COMFORTABLE WITH THE NORTH FACING HOME, WHICH INCLUDES A LIST OF FIVE ITEMS. THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE WAS DEED RESTRICTED SO WE COULD NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT FACED OR THAT CAME OUT TO RIDGECREST.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE CAR LIGHTS COMING TOWARDS THEIR HOUSE ON RIDGECREST.

NUMBER TWO, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME HEDGING ALONG RIDGECREST, IN FRONT OF WHERE THE FOUR CAR GARAGE FACED RIDGECREST, SO IT WAS A VISUAL BUFFER AGAINST THE STREET.

NUMBER THREE WAS THAT THEY WANTED SOME SHADE TREES OR LARGER TREES, ALSO PLANTED ALONG THE RIDGECREST SIDE OF THE HOME TO ADD A

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AND THEN THEY ASKED IF THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT A WINDOW ON THE WEST FACING BACK, RIGHT BACK SIDE OF THE ELEVATION, WHICH IS WHERE A HALLWAY IS, WHICH WE THINK CAN BE PRETTY EASILY ACCOMMODATED.

SO MY HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAD RAISED A CONCERN BEING OKAY WITH THESE GUIDELINES.

AND THEN WE HAVE LITERALLY SIX OF THE EIGHT NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE FULLY FINE WITH THIS.

YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL SEE THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO ENABLE THIS HOUSE TO FACE NORTH AGAIN.

THE REMEMBER THE ADDRESS OF THIS WAS 401 KEEN.

THE SETBACKS ARE SET UP TO BE A NORTH FACING LOT.

IT WAS A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE BAD COMMUNICATION THAT THIS HOMEOWNER IS IN THIS SITUATION, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT. THIS IS A FIRST READING ON SEVEN A, SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEVEN A IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEVEN A COUNCIL.

ANY DISCUSSION ON SEVEN A OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION ON SEVEN A.

YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL I MOVE THAT WE DENY ITEM 7A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480784A ZA 25-0037.

FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 401 KEEN COURT ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT SIX BLOCK A, KEEN HOME PLACE AND LOCATED AT 401 KEEN COURT.

LET ME JUST BEFORE WE GO ON TO A SECOND, I FORGOT TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THAT WERE RECEIVED BACK. KAREN BROOKS, 2640 RIDGECREST DRIVE, INDICATED OPPOSE, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT SPOKE TO THAT.

TIM BURT 416 KEEN COURT IN FAVOR. NIKHIL KARUKU 400.

KEEN COURT IN FAVOR. DONNA COOPER 412 KEEN COURT IN FAVOR.

ROBERT GARDNER 405 KEEN COURT IN FAVOR. DEEPAK PATEL 2625 RIDGECREST IN FAVOR.

NATASHA GHANTA REDDY, 400 KEEN COURT IN FAVOR.

TYSON TAYLOR 416 KEEN COURT IN FAVOR AND VANCE TURNER, 404 KEEN COURT IN FAVOR.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES. AND AGAIN, A YES VOTE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION TO DENY.

AND THAT MOTION TO DENY CARRY 7-0 AND ITEM 7 A IS DENIED.

NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE A, WHICH IS THE SIGN CASE FOR OUCH!

[9.A. SV25-0005, Sign Variance for OuchOrtho Pediatric Orthopedics, located at 431 East State Highway 1 14, Suite 120. ]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A REQUEST TO VARIANCE TO THE MASTER SIGN PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE FOREST PARK MEDICAL SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL OFFICES, AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN PLACE UNDER THE PRECEDING OPERATOR.

THIS IS A PARTICULAR LOCATION WHERE THE PROPOSED SIGN IS TO BE SITUATED, AND TENANT SPACE SIGN WOULD BE ON THE NORTH FACADE TOWARDS 114. THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR THIS MEDICAL BUILDING WAS DRIVEN PRIMARILY WITH THE SIGNAGE ALONG THE WEST FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING, AND REQUIRED A PARTICULAR TYPE OF FONT AND DARK BRONZE COLOR.

THE MASTER SIGN PLAN INCLUDED THREE SIGNS ON THE NORTH FACADE, FOR WHICH ONLY ONE OF THOSE SIGNS WAS APPROVED AT THE TIME, AND THE OTHER SIGNS WERE REQUIRED TO COME BACK.

ONE WAS FOR THE SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY, THE OTHER FOR CLINIC 21.

THE CLINIC 21 SIGN WOULD BE REPLACED BY THE OUCH ORTHOPEDIC TENANT.

AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIGNS IN PLACE. THIS SIGN WAS AMENDED WHEN METHODIST HOSPITAL TOOK OVER THE CAMPUS, AND SOUTHLAKE MEDICAL SIGN WAS REPLACED UNDER

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THIS IS THE PROPOSAL BY OUCH ORTHO GOING TO THIS LOCATION.

IT'S A RED SIGN WITH A BLUE LETTERING ON THE OTHER PORTION, AND IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FONT OR THE COLOR THAT WAS PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS WHAT THE VIEW OF THIS WOULD BE AT NIGHT.

THE SIGN BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FIVE ZERO.

HOWEVER, WITH THE CONDITION ALLOWING THE LETTER STYLE THAT WAS PROPOSED WITH THE SIGN, BUT DENYING THE COLOR VARIANCE AND FOLLOWING THAT MOTION. ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT STILL PREFERS THE COLOR VERSION OF THAT SIGN, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN ALTERNATIVE MEETING THOSE CONDITIONS OF THE SIGN BOARD.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE REST OF THE SITE AND SIGNAGE IN THE AREA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW ANY OF THAT.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED TO LOOK AT ANY PICTURES OF OTHER SIGNS ON THE METHODIST CAMPUS? ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. APPLICANT HERE.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? COME ON DOWN.

IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. NICK KARAM.

I LIVE AT 2604 PENDLETON, PENDLETON DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

AS MENTIONED, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO STAY WITH THE COLORED FACE OPTION THAT IS TRUE TO THE CUSTOMER'S BRAND.

AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF KEEPS THEM CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL THEIR OTHER BRANDING.

IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY SIGN THAT YOU SEE UP ABOVE.

THAT IS NOT HELD TO THE DARK BRONZE. IT'S ACTUALLY A BLACK SIGN.

SO WE DID THE ORIGINAL OR WE DID THAT SIGN INSTALLATION AS WELL.

AND I HAVE THE STAMPED APPROVED PERMITS FOR THAT SIGN WHERE IT CLEARLY CALLS OUT FOR IT TO BE A BLACK SIGN.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT OF LEVERAGE THERE TO GO AGAINST THAT, THAT DARK BRONZE. I PERSONALLY, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE DARK BRONZE ON THIS STYLE SIGN, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IS YOUR ALTERNATIVE DARK BRONZE OR IS IT BLACK? THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE PRESENTED IS THE DARK BRONZE THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE SIGN BOARD.

SO YOU WOULD PREFER IT TO BE BLACK INSTEAD OF DARK BRONZE? I MEAN, I'D PREFER IT TO BE THE RED AND BLUE.

UNDERSTAND? BUT IF WE DON'T DO RED AND BLUE, WOULD YOU PREFER BLACK OR DARK BRONZE? AS A SIGNED PROFESSIONAL. WHAT AGE IS BETTER? I MEAN, THAT BLACK SIGN WAS INSTALLED IN 17. I THINK IT'S HELD UP PRETTY WELL.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A PREFERENCE IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AGAINST WHAT MY CUSTOMER WANTS, I'LL LEAVE IT TO Y'ALL AS TO WHAT Y'ALL THINK WILL LOOK BEST.

THE BLACK VERSUS THE BRONZE. THOSE TWO OPTIONS.

OKAY. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. I KNOW HE DOESN'T HAVE A PREFERENCE, EXCEPT FOR THE RED AND BLUE, WHICH IS THOSE OTHER TWO OPTIONS ARE DISTANT SECONDS TO THE FIRST CHOICE.

GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ITEM NINE A IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON NINE A IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM. SEEING NONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 9A.

COUNCIL ANY DISCUSSION ON THE SIGN AND BASICALLY THE COLOR VERSUS NO COLOR.

I'M GLAD WE CLARIFIED THAT. I'LL START OFF WITH THE COLOR.

THE RED. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IN SOME PLACES, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THAT'S GOOD.

HERE I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT IS, I DON'T I DON'T LIKE IT, I LIKE, I LIKE IT CONFORMING A BIT MORE TO THE BUILDING.

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THAT'D BE MINE TOO. IS THAT WHAT THE SOUTHLAKE IS THAT BLACK? TOP ONE IS. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

JUST CONFIRMING WITH THE APPLICANT THAT'S BLACK ON THE SOUTHLAKE DERMATOLOGY. YEAH. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH BLACK LETTERING FOR OUCH ORTHO.

MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL, MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE ITEM NINE, A SB 25 50005 SIGN VARIANCE FOR OUCH ORTHO PEDIATRIC ORTHOPEDICS LOCATED AT 431 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114, SUITE 120.

SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 2725, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVED, WE'RE APPROVING THE REQUESTED VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE FONT STYLE AND THE COLOR BLACK TO MATCH THE COLOR ALREADY REPRESENTED ON THAT BUILDING.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES.

AND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE NINE A WITH THE BLACK LETTERING IS APPROVED SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU, SIR, FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT UP IS ITEM NINE B.

TO APPROVE, CONSIDER APPROVING AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT FOR THE

[9.B. Approve an Engineering Services Agreement (ESA) with Kimley-Horn and Associates Inc., for engineering, design services, and construction administration support for the Town Hall Plaza Park project, in an amount not to exceed $1 , 775,370.]

EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT AN EXCITING NEXT STEP IN THIS PROJECT.

SO THIS IS THE ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY KICKS OFF THE DESIGN PHASE OF THIS PROJECT.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE OF THAT HERE. AND I DID WANT TO NOTE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, PASSAGE OF THIS ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY FINAL DECISION ON DESIGN ELEMENTS AT THIS TIME.

SO THERE WILL BE PERIODS OF TIME THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT WHERE FINAL DECISIONS ON ANYTHING FROM ARE WE BUILDING THIS NOW OR LATER TO COLORS OF THINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WILL COME UP THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS? BUT THIS PORTION OF THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY OF THOSE DECISIONS TO BE MADE AT THIS TIME.

SO MOVING FORWARD TO SOME BACKGROUND, IN APRIL OF 2024 CITY STAFF ENGAGED WITH TSK ARCHITECTS AND KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND DEVELOP THREE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS FOR RENOVATIONS TO RUSTON AND FAMILY PARK.

THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED THE PROPOSED DESIGNS AT A DECEMBER 3RD COUNCIL MEETING IN 2024, AND AT THE WINTER WORKSHOP IN 2025.

IN JANUARY, DURING A SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETING IN MARCH, THE COUNCIL GAVE STAFF SOME FINAL DIRECTION ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF SCOPE WITHIN THE PROJECT, WITH DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD TO DESIGN.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT KIMLEY-HORN IS WITH US THIS EVENING AS WELL.

WE'VE CHOSEN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM ON THIS DESIGN PROPOSAL.

THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. THEY'RE ALSO DESIGNED OUR GREEN RIBBON MASTER PLAN ON HIGHWAY 114 AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS, NOT ONLY WITH THE CITY, BUT SEVERAL REGIONALLY AS WELL.

SO SOME BACKGROUND, IN ADDITION TO THE LARGER SCOPE ELEMENTS THAT I'LL DISCUSS IN JUST A MOMENT.

THERE ARE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES WITH THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING UPGRADING UNDERGROUND UTILITIES TO ALLOW FOR INCREASED ELECTRICAL CAPACITY FOR EVENTS. NECESSARY CONDUIT FOR WI-FI AND AV UPGRADES.

FOOD TRUCK PAD SITE IMPROVEMENTS, WATER AND ELECTRICAL NEEDS SO THOSE FOOD TRUCKS CAN HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED OUT OF SITE VERSUS HAVING GENERATORS ADDRESSING THE POND AND THE CONDITION OF THE RETAINING WALL, ADDING BOLLARDS TO THE ENVIRONMENT AT FOUNTAIN AND MAIN STREET, AND AS WELL AS ITS SOFT POINTS ACROSS THE ENVIRONMENT AND WORKING ON THE EXISTING SITE DRAINAGE TO IMPROVE ANY DRAINAGE CONCERNS ON THE SITE.

SOME OF THE PRIORITIZED ENHANCEMENTS INCLUDE CREATING A FLEXIBLE MAIN STREET, SO THERE WOULD BE INSERTS FOR BOLLARDS ON BOTH SIDES OF MAIN STREET FOR THOSE EVENTS, BUT MAIN STREET WOULD REMAIN OPEN WITH A TABLED CENTER.

COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CLOSING FOUNTAIN PLACE.

ALSO, THE DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO INSTALL A LARGER PAVILION MADE OF THOSE COMPOSITE MATERIALS VERSUS THE WOOD WITH AVIAN LIGHTING COMPONENTS, AS WELL AS THE DIRECTION TO INCLUDE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN PLACE OF THE NATURAL GRASS.

INSTALLING A LARGER FOUNTAIN. THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT FOUNTAINS THAT WERE SHOWN. THE CURRENT FOUNTAIN, A KIND OF A MEDIUM SIZED FOUNTAIN AND A LARGER FOUNTAIN, AND THE DIRECTION TO STAFF WAS TO KEEP THE THE THE NATURE AND DESIGN OF THE CURRENT FOUNTAIN, BUT KIND OF BUILD IT TO THAT MEDIUM SIZE. MAKE IT RIGHT SIZE FOR THE SPACE.

CONSTRUCTING SHADE STRUCTURES WITH ADDITIONAL SEATING.

DESIGNING THE RESTROOM AND VENDING AREAS THAT COULD BE BUILT NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.

AND ALSO DESIGNING AN OPTION FOR AN ALTERNATE CONDITION SPACE FOR MECHANICAL AND IT IF THOSE RESTROOMS AND STORAGE AREN'T ARE NOT BUILT.

AND I WILL NOTE HERE THAT ANY ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THIS DESIGN CONTRACT THAT ARE NOT BUILT OR NOT DESIGNED,

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SO THOSE CHANGES CAN BE MADE WITHIN THE CONTRACT THAT DO NOT EXCEED IS REALLY THAT HIGH END UMBRELLA.

HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PRIORITIZED ENHANCEMENTS THAT COUNCIL CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AND THESE ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT AND ULTIMATELY THE AGREEMENT ITSELF.

THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDED INCLUDES PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND DESIGN COORDINATION, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES.

THIS ALSO INCLUDES PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SITE IN THE CITY, SO THIS INCLUDES THE ABILITY TO SET MEETINGS WITH BUSINESS OWNERS AND HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION IF NECESSARY, BUILT INTO THE SCOPE AS WELL.

AND I'LL NOTE THIS IS THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AND THE APPROVED FY 25 SPDC CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET.

AND THERE IS A 15% DESIGN CONTINGENCY INCLUDED TO ADDRESS ANYTHING UNANTICIPATED.

IF THAT COMES UP, THAT WOULD SERVE ESSENTIALLY AS A CHANGE ORDER, LIKE A PROJECT WHERE STAFF WOULD GO THROUGH AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES IF NECESSARY.

THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE STRATEGY MAP, DELIVERING ON THE FOCUS AREAS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT, AND PARTNERSHIPS AND VOLUNTEERISM. SPDC DID CONSIDER EARLIER THIS EVENING AND IT IS NOW UP FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER.

I'M GLAD THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT THE FUNDING FOR THE FOR THE CONTRACT, AT LEAST, IS ALL COMING FROM SALES TAXES THROUGH SPDC.

NOT TOUCHING PROPERTY TAXES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THERE'S SOME BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING, AND WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET. WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT YET. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. BUT AT LEAST FOR THE CONTRACT, THAT FUNDING IS ALL SALES TAXES.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO I KNOW SPDC TOOK A LOOK AT THIS EARLIER TODAY.

MAYBE KICK IT OVER TO MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON TO IF YOU WANT TO GIVE LIKE A RECAP OF SPD'S DISCUSSION ON THAT.

AND OF COURSE EVERYONE ELSE WHO SERVES ON SPDC AS WELL AS COUNCIL, IF THEY WANT TO WEIGH IN, BUT MAYBE TALK US THROUGH WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT SPDC AND THAT'LL SORT OF LAUNCH US INTO OUR DISCUSSION.

SURE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO YES, EARLIER THIS EVENING BEFORE COUNCIL, WE TOOK THIS ITEM UP AT SPDC.

IT PASSED SIX ZERO TO MOVE ON TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION NOW.

BUT THERE WAS A CAVEAT ON THAT THAT WE WANTED TO NOTE, AND THAT WAS THAT SPDC WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THE FULL COUNCIL DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, BUDGET TOWARDS THE THESE PLANNING SERVICES AS IT RELATES TO CERTAIN ITEMS AND WAS COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH THE 1,000,775 AND CHANGE OR CONSIDERATION FOR A LESSER NUMBER, YOU KNOW IF POSSIBLE OR EVEN TABLING IT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO LINE ITEM OUT ITEMS THAT WE WEREN'T 100% SURE ON. NOW THAT'S WHEN I SAY WE THAT'S THE GROUP AS A WHOLE, NOT NECESSARILY EVERYBODY IN THE GROUP.

THAT WE DID DISCUSS AND I REMINDED SPDC THAT WHERE COUNCIL, THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL HAD PROVIDED WAS TO GO AHEAD WITH A PROPOSAL FOR PLANNING FOR ITEMS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ULTIMATELY BE A PART OF IT.

AND THE MAIN ITEM OF FOCUS WAS THE ABOVEGROUND RESTROOMS. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND IT WAS VERY CLEAR AT THE TIME TO GO AHEAD AND PLAN THAT, TO DESIGN THAT, KNOWING THAT IF THE DECISION WAS MADE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD INITIALLY WITH RESTROOMS, THAT THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE SHELF, THOSE PLANS WOULD ALREADY BE DONE AND THAT YOU COULD COME BACK AND IMPLEMENT THOSE VERY TURNKEY IN THE FUTURE IF YOU CHOSE TO.

THE OTHER ITEM, JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE THAT I KNOW IS A DISCUSSION POINT STILL THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT AND WORKED OUT IS TURF VERSUS GRASS.

AND IN MEETING WITH DIRECTOR MILLER ON THAT TOPIC, HE'S ASSURED ME THAT FROM A PLANNING, FROM THIS BUDGET, FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, THE ISSUE OF TURF VERSUS GRASS IS IRRELEVANT TO THE PLANNING PROCESS.

THAT'S JUST AN ULTIMATE DECISION OF WHAT MATERIAL YOU ULTIMATELY WANT TO USE. BUT THAT THIS THIS WOULD INCORPORATE EITHER SCENARIO.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION.

YOU KNOW, FROM THERE. SO ON THE GRASS VERSUS TURF, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE SENDING OUT FOR DESIGN.

BUT THE GREEN STUFF CAN EITHER BE GRASS OR TURF, AND THEY'LL DESIGN THE REST OF IT AROUND THE GREEN STUFF.

THERE WILL BE A POINT IN THE PROJECT WHEN WE WOULD NEED THAT FINAL DECISION.

BUT NOT TONIGHT. NOT TONIGHT. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE FOUNTAIN? I KNOW WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WAY BACK WHEN. ABOUT CURRENT FOUNTAIN.

BIGGER FOUNTAIN? JUST WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT SBDC ON THE FOUNTAIN? AS FAR AS VERY LITTLE ELEMENT. YEAH. VERY LITTLE.

IT WAS AGAIN, IT WAS MORE UNDER THE, THE UMBRELLA OF THIS IS JUST A OVERALL DESIGN DOCUMENT AND, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO GIVE VERY CLEAR, SPECIFIC DIRECTION AS WE GOT CLOSER AND YEAH TO FINE TUNE THAT THAT DESIGN.

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BUT I THINK IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, OR SETTING EXPECTATIONS WITH KIMLEY-HORN ALSO THAT IF, IF, IF IN THE NEAR TERM WE MAKE A DECISION NOT TO DESIGN ABOVE GROUND, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTED BATHROOMS THAT THAT NUMBER WE WOULD NEED A COMMITMENT THAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO COME IN BELOW THAT AND HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS YOUR HIGH END NUMBER. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER RECAP FROM SBDC? YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. WAS THAT THE SO I GUESS MAYBE TO CLARIFY IT A LITTLE BIT OR CONFUSED DEPENDING ON HOW YOU TAKE MY ANALOGY.

BUT IF MY WIFE AND I WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE AND WE WEREN'T EXACTLY 100% ON HOW WE WANTED THAT HOUSE TO LOOK, AND WE GO TO AN ARCHITECT, A DESIGNER AND SAY, CAN YOU DESIGN THIS HOUSE FOR ME? HE'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO SAY, WELL, I WANT FOUR BEDROOMS. MY WIFE'S GOING TO SAY SHE WANTS FIVE BEDROOMS. I'M GOING TO SAY I WANT MY KITCHEN HERE.

SHE'S GOING TO SAY, I WANT MY KITCHEN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A MUCH BIGGER BILL THAN WE WOULD HAVE HAD IF WE JUST SIMPLY HAD AN ANSWER FOR THE GUY TO BEGIN WITH, AND AN AGREEMENT OF THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GOING TO THE WINTER WORKSHOP IS WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS PRETTY SOON BECAUSE FROM A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT, WE COULD BE THROWING SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AWAY REALLY JUST FOR NO REASON.

AND ARE WE SETTING UP THE EXPECTATION FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO HAVE THIS BUDGET, WHICH THEN IS JUST SIMPLY GOING TO GET SPENT? SO I JUST I JUST FEEL THAT THERE COULD BE A BIT MORE DISCUSSION AND FINALITY ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE CHANGING QUITE A BIT. BUT IF I'M RIGHT, THIS IS JUST THE SORRY, I SHOULD BE TALKING TO YOU ON THIS.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE CIVIL WORK AS IT RELATES TO DRAINAGE, INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THAT.

IT'S NOT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND ALL THAT. RIGHT? SO THIS IS JUST BELOW THE DIRT THAT HAS TO BE DONE REGARDLESS.

RIGHT. THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT. SO THIS IS BELOW AND AND ABOVE.

SO THIS WOULD BE DESIGN ALL THE WAY THROUGH COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT INCLUDING ARCHITECTURAL.

OKAY, BUT THERE ARE POINTS IN THE PROJECT WHEN FINAL DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE, NEED TO BE MADE ON FOR EXAMPLE.

PROBABLY AT 30% OF FINAL DECISION ON ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THE RESTROOM BUILDINGS NOW OR NOT? DO WE WANT TO DESIGN THE FULL BUILDING NOW OR NOT? BUT THAT WOULD NOT HAVE. WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IS DESIGNED ABOVE GROUND UNTIL THAT DECISION HAS BEEN MADE AND THAT MONEY WON'T BE SPENT UNLESS THAT'S DESIGNED. AND SO THERE ARE MECHANISMS WITHIN THIS CONTRACT THAT ALLOW US TO IF IT'S NOT DESIGNED, IT WILL NOT BE SPENT. AND THIS JUST ALLOWS US TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT WANTS TO BE DESIGNED AND NOT COME BACK EVERY FEW MONTHS WITH DIFFERENT DECISION POINTS, WHICH ULTIMATELY WILL SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT AND PUSH IT, WHICH HAS AN IMPACT ON EVENTS AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.

AND SO THERE, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERYONE, EVERYTHING IS DESIGNED WITHIN THIS CONTRACT AT THIS TIME.

SO PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DELTA THOUGH IS ON THE BATHROOM ISSUE, RIGHT? THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS WOULD BE THE BIGGEST CHANGE AND CHANGE IN COST AND CHANGE IN DESIGN TO GO WITH IT.

THAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST. WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ESTIMATE, BUT IN TALKING WITH KIMLEY-HORN BEFORE THE MEETING, IF WE WERE TO DESIGN ONLY UNDERGROUND AND NOT THE ABOVEGROUND PORTION, JUST THE UTILITIES PORTION, WE'D BE LOOKING AT 5% OR LESS OF AN OVERALL CHANGE IN TERMS OF THIS CONTRACT.

AND SO WHETHER THAT HAPPENS NOW OR IN TERMS OF COST.

AND SO IT'S NOT A LARGE COST DRIVER IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS WITHIN THIS CONTRACT.

SO WHAT WOULD THAT BE. I'M TERRIBLE AT MATH BUT LIKE 75 GRAND.

5000. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. AND I THINK CONSIDERING IN CONSIDERATION WITH THAT IS OKAY IF YOU SAVE 85,000 IN LIEU OF WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY DECIDED, WHICH WAS LET'S GET THE PLANS.

LET'S DO IT ALL IN SCALE HERE. GET THE PLANS, PUT THEM ON THE ON THE SHELF IF WE DON'T USE THEM, AND NOW THEY'RE TURNKEY. NOTWITHSTANDING, IF YOU WAIT TOO LONG, YOU DECIDE THOSE PLANS AREN'T WHAT WE WANT.

WE WANT A DIFFERENT DESIGN STYLE. OF COURSE, THAT COULD THAT COULD ADD TO THAT COST.

BUT TO HAVE THEM LOCKED UP AT 85,000, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK AND GET A BETTER PRICE THAN THAT IN THE FUTURE TO DO THE SAME WORK. YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY AT THAT POINT.

AND I'LL SAY THIS. I MEAN, WE'RE IN PAST CASES, NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN PLAZA REMODELING, BUT ON DEVELOPMENT CASES. WE'RE A VERY VISUAL.

LIKE WE NEED TO SEE IT. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TIME AND PERHAPS MONEY WELL SPENT TO SEE IT.

AND WE MAY CHANGE OUR MIND ON THE BATHROOM THING. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE NOT. I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF PUBLIC RESTROOMS,

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SO JUST KIND OF GOT TO SEE IT TO MAKE THAT FINAL CALL ON IT.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO BUILDING THE BATHROOMS, BUT I'M OKAY WITH LIKE, LET'S SEE WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE CONCEPTUALLY.

AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION, WHICH WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE AT SOME POINT, I GET THAT. SO CAN I AGREE I THINK I THINK IT'S BETTER TO GO FORWARD AND LET'S GET ALL THE CONCEPTUAL PIECES DONE. LET'S, LET'S BECAUSE GOING, STOPPING OR GOING BACKWARD IS JUST GOING TO COST MORE.

AND I THINK WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OPTIONS ALL ALONG THE WAY.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US THOSE DECISION POINTS IN TIME.

AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, SO MUCH HINGES ON THIS.

NOT THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE THINGS. CERTAINLY WE HAVE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT THE CONCEPT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS JUNCTURE.

CAN I? CAN I JUST REAL QUICK. SORRY. GO AHEAD.

OKAY. I AGREE, I THINK IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WHATEVER WE DO IS IS NOT THE ACTUAL. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK THEY DO.

WHAT WE'LL SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, COMMUNITY IMPACT OR WHATEVER, WE JUST APPROVED $1.8 MILLION FOR A DESIGN, RIGHT? BUT SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SPENT.

WE DIDN'T PROVING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE COULD IF WE WENT ALL OUT AND DID ALL KINDS OF CRAZY BUNKER THINGS.

BUT IS IT JUST ME? OR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 5% BEING 85,000, $85,000 IS KIND OF MY POINT.

TO DESIGN A COUPLE OF BATHROOMS IS, I MEAN, DOES THAT NOT SEEM EXCESSIVE TO ANYBODY ELSE? OR, I MEAN, BECAUSE MY HOUSE WAS LESS THAN THAT TO DESIGN, YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK I'D LIKE PEOPLE JUST TO BE CONSIDERATE OF.

SO. IT'S A FAIR POINT. I WILL REMEMBER WHEN I WAS NEW TO COUNCIL HOW SHOCKING IT WAS TO ME WHEN I LEARNED PRICES TO DO PROJECTS. IT STILL SHOCKS ME THAT NOW, THIS WAS TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN WE WOULD APPROVE $1 MILLION TO CLEAN AND PAINT THE INSIDE OF A WATER TANK. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE GOING PRICE IS, TO CLEAN AND CONDITION AND PAINT THE INSIDE OF A WATER TANK FOR OUR WATER SYSTEM.

SO I AGREE. I'VE LOOKED AT AV WHEN WE DID AV EQUIPMENT OUT AT THE PICKLEBALL COMPLEX, AND YOU'RE GOING, MAN, THIS STUFF IS EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE.

MY QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IS IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, ARE WE APPROVING BUILDING OR DESIGNING THOSE BATHROOMS? BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS $75,000 IS $75,000.

AND ON THE SHELF FOR FIVE YEARS. THREE YEARS.

AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND SAY, OH, MAN, WHAT WERE THEY DOING? MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN US UP HERE, THEY SAID. AND SO WE'VE WASTED THAT KIND OF MONEY.

AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY TAXES, WE'RE STILL USING MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO IF WE PASS THIS, I WANT TO MAKE MY POSITION VERY CLEAR.

I MAY NOT WANT THIS GOING UP THE ROAD, AND I WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL IT OUT.

AND SO AND I DON'T WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACT, I DON'T SEE LINE ITEMS HERE FOR DESIGNING THAT CONTRACT.

I MEAN, THE EXCUSE ME, THE RESTROOMS. AND SO I'M JUST A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT AN AMOUNT IN AND IT'S GOING TO BE USED UP BY THE CONTRACTOR.

SO IF WE AGREE TO THIS, I WANT IT PERFECTLY CLEAR.

I'M NOT THINKING IF WE DON'T WANT A BATHROOM, I DON'T WANT TO DESIGN IT.

I THINK THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU, THOUGH, WOULD BE HOW CAN YOU MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER YOU WANT A BATHROOM IF YOU DON'T SEE A DESIGN? IT'S MORE THE WHETHER OR NOT I WANT A BATHROOM THERE OR NOT.

I'M NOT SURE I'M PAST THAT PART. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, DO I EVEN WANT ONE THERE? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT? WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF IT.

SOME DO, SOME DON'T. SO IT IS NOT. BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT SEEING IT.

I DISAGREE. YOU CAN JUST SAY I DON'T THINK WE NEED A BATHROOM THERE.

OKAY, I DISAGREE TOO. UNLESS IT'S INVISIBLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I PERSONALLY, AS I SIT HERE NOW, DO NOT SEE THE NEED FOR BATHROOMS THERE.

SO WHY SPEND THE MONEY ON DESIGNING IT? THAT'S.

WELL, THAT'S A FAIR POINT. I GUESS IF THERE'S MORE PEOPLE, IF THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE HERE WHO AGREE AND SAY, I DON'T NEED A BATHROOM, THEN I AGREE, TAKE IT OUT OF THERE.

IF THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE WHO SAY, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED A BATHROOM, THEN WE NEED TO DESIGN IT TO MAKE A DECISION. THAT'S WHY WE VOTE ON THINGS. I HEAR CONSTANTLY PEOPLE SAYING, WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GO TO THE BATHROOM WHEN YOU'RE IN TOWN SQUARE? I MEAN, I CAN'T, I HEAR IT EVERY TIME IT COMES. IT COMES UP ALL THE TIME. BUT I

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THE BATHROOM HAS BEEN A BIG TALKING POINT. WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THE CHART OF MEETINGS GOING BACK FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE BATHROOM.

PUBLIC RESTROOM IS THE BIG THE BIG TALKING POINT.

AND WE GO BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. SURVEYS SHOW THAT CONSISTENTLY.

YEAH. AND SO I SAID IT EARLIER I'M NOT SURE I WANT IT YET, BUT I KIND OF NEED TO SEE IT I THINK.

AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A COST INVOLVED IN SEEING IT, THE RENDERINGS TO, TO MAKE THAT FINAL CALL.

AND IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY LOOK BACK AND GO, HEY, THAT WAS MONEY WELL SPENT BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT, THE RENDERING AND GO, YEAH, I DON'T LIKE IT. AND THEN WE SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE BACK END OR WHATEVER THE PRICE MAY BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD A BATHROOM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT THAT WE'VE GOT THIS BUDGETED TO DO THE DESIGN CONTRACT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO BUILD ANYTHING.

IT MAY THE DESIGN WHEN WE GET IT BACK FROM KIMLEY-HORN MAY KIND OF TALK US OUT OF SOME THINGS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SEE IT AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THAT FINAL CALL DOWN THE ROAD.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO BUILD ANYTHING IN THIS, BUT WE'LL SEE.

YEAH, I'M ALIGNED WITH YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND JUST I MEAN, I THINK YOU NEED TO SEE IT BECAUSE YOU DO HEAR THE DESIRE FOR BATHROOMS. BUT I'M REALLY SENSITIVE TO HOW THEY LOOK. RIGHT.

AND I JUST IF IT'S NOT DONE WELL THEN I'M A NO.

IF IT'S DONE WELL, THEN MAYBE I'M A YES. I JUST DON'T KNOW.

YEAH. DID THE FOLKS FROM KIMLEY-HORN WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, OR ARE THEY READY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY? YEAH. IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIMLEY-HORN, I KNOW IT'S THE LAST ITEM AND Y'ALL WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD. NEVER MIND. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MILLER? ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM NINE B DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON NINE B.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON NINE B? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NINE B COUNCIL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CALL FOR A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON? RANDY, IT'S ALL YOURS. YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NINE B APPROVING ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION.

SUPPORT FOR THE TOWN HALL PLAZA PARK PROJECT AND AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,775,370.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON NINE B.

AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT REPORT.

I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE ASKED WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR GETTING THAT BACK UP AS FAR AS GETTING SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK AT? AND I KNOW THIS IS JUST A GUESSTIMATE AND I CAUGHT YOU OFF GUARD, BUT ANY TIMETABLE? WE WILL FORMALLY KICK OFF THE PROJECT WITH KIMLEY-HORN, BUT PROBABLY SOMETIME LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL FOR THAT 30%, WHICH IS WOULD BE THE FIRST DECISION POINT OF THE PROJECT.

SO PROBABLY EARLY FALL, EARLY FALL, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ITEM.

SO MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.