Jun 05, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission

>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING?

>> FINE. THANK YOU.

>> VERY GOOD. IF YOU WOULD DO ME A FAVOR AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU START?

>> YES. MY NAME IS VIDY BARKER.

WOULD YOU LIKE MY PERSONAL ADDRESS, OR THE BUSINESS ADDRESS FOR THE NONPROFIT?

>> WHATEVER YOU'RE GOOD WITH.

>> I'LL GIVE THE ADDRESS FOR THE NONPROFIT.

IT'S 1360 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, SUITE 140 IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, 76-019.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.

EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED IS ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'D SENT OVER.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS PORT A POTTIES.

SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR DOING THIS EVENT OR HOPEFULLY DOING THIS EVENT, WE WANTED TO TRY AND SEE IF WE COULD SAVE THE $1,500 FROM USING THE TWO SIDEWALK SQUARES TO BE ABLE TO PLACE THE PORT A POTTIES THERE.

HOWEVER, IF THE CITY THINKS THAT IT'S BETTER FOR US TO PUT IT THERE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

>> ONE THING THAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS BEFORE YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU DO, IN FACT, CONTACT KITE ABOUT THAT, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.

BUT MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS MAKE THAT AS AN OPTION.

>> SURE.

>> THAT WAY, WE'VE AT LEAST RECOMMENDED APPROVAL POTENTIALLY EITHER WAY, AND THEN IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO USE THE OTHER OPTION, THEN THAT'S THEIR CHOICE BUT AT LEAST WE'VE DONE OUR PART IN MOVING YOU FORWARD. THAT SOUND GOOD?

>> THAT SOUNDS GREAT, ACTUALLY.

I SPOKE WITH SOMEBODY FROM THEM AND THEY ACTUALLY JUST SAID THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH THEM TO JUST LET THEM KNOW, AND THEN THEY'LL WORK IT UP.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN PROPOSED, AND THEY'RE OKAY AND ONBOARD WITH THAT.

>> GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN IF WE GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

NONE OF YOU ALL WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS ONE? I'M JOKING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU WANT TO COME UP?

>> NO, WE ALL SUPPORT IT.

>> SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS ON THIS? THE ONLY ONE I HAVE IS, I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE IT AN OPTION MAYBE IN THE MOTION TO HAVE THEM TALK TO KITE, POTENTIALLY MOVE THE BARRICADES AT LOCATIONS NUMBER 8 BACK, AND THEN MOVE THE PORT A POTTIES.

ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS I THINK THAT'S DONE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER EVENTS IN TOWN SQUARE, AND SO CITY COUNCIL MAY WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS.

WHAT ABOUT Y'ALL? SEEING NONE.

IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD, LET'S BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. VERY GOOD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE ZA25-0025 AND REFERENCING STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 30TH, 2025, AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY, NUMBER 2, DATED 5/30/25.

WITH THE OPTION OF HAVING THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO KITE REALTY ABOUT RELOCATING THE BARRICADES FURTHER FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND RELOCATING THE PORT A POSITIONS.

DENNIS, DOES THAT WORK? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 4, 0.

CONGRATULATIONS. YOU ALL WILL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

[7. Consider: ZA25-0030, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Carrus Care Southlake on property described as Lots 9-12, L.B.G Hall No. 686 Addition, and located at 600 — 660 W. Southlake Blvd. Current Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S- P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #6. PUBLIC HEARING ]

ITEM NUMBER 7-ZA25-0030 ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR CARRUS CARE SOUTHLAKE.

>> GOOD EVENING. YES, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR CARRUS CARE SOUTHLAKE.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ADD A FULL DAY OUTPATIENT MENTAL HEALTHCARE FACILITY FOR YOUTH TO THE EXISTING SP1 REGULATIONS AS A PERMITTED USE.

THIS IS AT 600 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, AND SPECIFICALLY, THIS USE WILL BE AT SUITE 120.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE ZONING IS SP1,

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DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, AND THIS IS WITH 01 AS THE BASE ZONING.

THIS IS THE SITE EXHIBIT THAT THEY PROVIDED SHOWING THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR DROP OFF OF PATIENTS, AND THEN THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE SITE SHOWING SUITE 120, AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE DETAILED VIEW OF THE BUILDING AND THEIR SUITE.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, THEY DID COME THROUGH BEFORE WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN 2024, AND THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WAS FOR A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PRIVATE DAY SCHOOL.

THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 36 STUDENTS ON SITE, MAXIMUM OF 10 EMPLOYEES, AND THE CLINIC CONSISTED OF THREE CLASSROOMS, AND THE OPERATING HOURS WERE 9:00-5:00.

THIS REQUEST IS A FULL DAY OUTPATIENT MENTAL HEALTH CARE FACILITY FOR YOUTH.

MAXIMUM OF 20 PATIENTS ON SITE, MAXIMUM OF FIVE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES ON SITE, AND THE CLINIC IS GOING TO BE MADE UP OF PRIVATE EXAMINATION ROOMS AND GROUP THERAPY ROOMS, AND THE OPERATING HOURS WILL BE 8:00-5:00.

THIS IS TAKEN FROM THEIR WEBSITE FOR A SIMILAR LOCATION THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH IS THEY OFFER ALL DAY PROGRAMMING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

DURATION IS USUALLY 6-8 WEEKS.

THEY DO COLLABORATE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY HAVE CUSTOMIZED TREATMENT AND DISCHARGE PLANS, AND INDIVIDUAL GROUP AND FAMILY THERAPY.

THIS IS A STREET VIEW OF THE SITE FROM SHADY OAK DRIVE.

ANOTHER STREET VIEW FROM WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS IS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER MAP, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 7? YES, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? IF YOU WOULD, DO ME A FAVOR AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS PETER JUUL.

LAST NAME IS SPELLED J-U-U-L.

I REPRESENT CARRUS, WHICH IS AT 1810 WEST US HIGHWAY 82 IN SHERMAN, TEXAS.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR YOU'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FROM ME, I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THEM.

OTHERWISE, THE FINER POINTS OF THIS ZONING IN THIS CASE, HAS TAKEN A WHILE TO COME TO CLARITY ON THAT, AND SO WHEN WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH EIGHT OR NINE OTHER CITIES, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DO AND DON'T DO, AND SO WE DO NOT HAVE PATIENTS TO STAY OVERNIGHT, WE DO NOT PROVIDE FOOD CARE, WE DO NOT PROVIDE TEACHING, WE DO NOT DISPENSE MEDICATION.

THIS IS PURELY A CLINICAL PROGRAM THAT IS A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED PROGRAM.

IT'S ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM.

ONE IS CALLED PHP, WHICH IS A PARTIAL HOSPITALIZATION, AND THE OTHER PROP IS CALLED IOP, WHICH ITS INTENSE THERAPY.

THE CHILDREN ARE DIVIDED UP INTO THREE CATEGORIES BY AGE AND THE TYPE OF CHILDREN THAT WE GET ARE CHILDREN THAT HAVE DEPRESSION, HAVE ANXIETIES.

IT'S NOT VIOLENT CHILDREN.

IT'S NOT DRUG ABUSE TYPE OF CHILDREN, AND SO ON.

IT IS A MEDICAL REFERRAL, AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE MEDICAL RECORDS SO THAT WE CAN VET THE TYPE OF PATIENTS THAT WE GET.

>> AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT WHEN YOU REFER TO PATIENTS IN THIS APPLICATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU CALLED STUDENTS IN THE LAST APPLICATION?

>> WHAT WE CALL, I'M SORRY.

>> IN OTHER WORDS, IN THE LAST APPLICATION, THEY WERE CALLED STUDENTS AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT CAME THROUGH, IT WAS CONSIDERED A DAY SCHOOL.

>> THAT WAS POOR COMMUNICATION ON MY PART.

>> THAT'S OKAY.

MY POINT IS YOU'RE CALLING THEM PATIENTS IN THIS APPLICATION, BUT IT'S STILL STUDENTS, CORRECT?

>> NO, THEY'RE NOT.

>> WHO ARE YOUR PATIENTS IN THIS CASE?

>> OUR PATIENTS, WE PROVIDE THERAPY AND GROUP THERAPY, AND INDIVIDUAL THERAPY.

NOW, IT'S AN INTENSE PROGRAM, SO THEY'RE THERE FROM 8:00-5:00.

AS A PART OF THAT, BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE NOT UNENROLLED IN SCHOOL, THEY STAY ENROLLED IN SCHOOL.

THEY KEEP UP WITH THEIR ONLINE SCHOOLWORK,

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BUT WE'RE NOT TEACHERS.

WE JUST PROVIDE THEM THE TIMEFRAME TO DO THAT, AND WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS OUR THERAPISTS TO OBSERVE HOW DISCIPLINED THE CHILDREN ARE AND HOW WELL THEY COPE AND ORGANIZE THEMSELVES.

BUT WE IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM HAVE TEACHERS ON SITE WHO ACTUALLY TEACH THE CHILDREN.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. IT WAS A POOR QUESTION ON MY PART.

I SHOULD HAVE SAID THEY'RE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> HOW LONG ARE THE SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN AT THE FACILITY? ARE THEY THERE ALL DAY?

>> THEY'RE THERE ALL DAY 8:00-5:00 TYPICALLY.

>> THE REASON I'M ASKING I DON'T INTEND TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COUNSEL DENIED THE FIRST APPLICATION BECAUSE THE CONCERN WAS THAT THERE WERE SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN THERE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> MY CONCERN IS WE'VE GOT THE SAME ISSUE HERE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, BUT WE'VE CALLED IT A MEDICAL FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO A DAY SCHOOL.

>> WELL, SO THIS WAS THE FIRST OF THE TYPE THAT I HAD TO PUT THROUGH THIS PROGRAM AND THEREFORE, I WAS NOT WELL PREPARED FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

THIS TIME AROUND, WE KNOW WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WE FEEL LIKE WE KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THEM.

ASSUMING WE GET APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE PLAN TO REQUEST MEETINGS WITH A PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE PARTICULAR PERSON THAT HAD THE ISSUE TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN RESOLVE THAT AND SATISFY HER CONCERNS.

>> YOU UNDERSTAND I'M TRYING TO PREPARE YOU FOR THE NEXT LEVEL ASSUMING YOU GO FORWARD.

I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME, BUT.

>> NO, IT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS PROCESS.

>> UNDERSTOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PARENTS WILL DROP THE KIDS OFF, YOU DON'T PROVIDE ANY TRANSPORTATION TO OR FROM.

>> WE DO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO SOME OF THE CHILDREN BECAUSE PARENTS CAN COME AND DROP THE CHILD OFF AND PICK UP THE CHILD.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THERE IS A MEDICAL UBER PROGRAM WHERE WE PROVIDE THE TRANSPORTATION AND THOSE CHILDREN ARE LOCKED IN AND LOCKED OUT AND WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT OUR FACILITY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT STANDS OUTSIDE AND GREETS THEM AND BRINGS THEM IN.

WHEN THEY COME INSIDE, THEY ARE WANTED AND THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER THEIR PHONES AND SO ON.

I MEAN, THERE'S A REALLY STRICT PROGRAM AND IN PREPARATION FOR THAT, HOPEFULLY, THE NEXT STEP IS WE ARE GETTING POLICE REPORTS ON THE OTHER FACILITIES TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED CODE ORGS, AND THAT'S A CHILD THAT HAS ESCAPED SUPPOSEDLY.

WE HAVE HAD NO SUCH CASES, SO WE ARE GATHERING POLICE REPORTS FROM THE OTHER LOCATIONS SO WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO SUCH PROBLEM.

HOPE THAT CONVINCE COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANY ONE OF THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

ANY THOUGHTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS? I'M JUST BEING DIRECT.

I'M A NO VOTE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO FLY AT CITY COUNCIL.

WE'VE ESSENTIALLY DONE THE SAME THING AND CALLED IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

>> I FEEL THE SAME WAY.

LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE JUST CHANGED THE NAME OF THE PARTICIPANTS RATHER THAN ACTUALLY CHANGING ANY GIVEN ANY I GUESS, FAIL SAFE WAY TO PROTECT THE KIDS FROM THE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

I'M WITH YOU. I'M TORN ON WHICH WAY TO GO WITH IT.

>> I WASN'T HERE FOR THE PREVIOUS READING ON THIS. NO, SORRY.

I WASN'T HERE FOR THE PREVIOUS READING ON THIS.

I WASN'T REALLY AROUND THE ISSUE OF ACCIDENTALLY GETTING OUT ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

IS THAT THE PREDOMINANT ISSUE?

>> DENNIS, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT FROM COUNSEL?

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT WAS THE GENERAL CONCERN AND CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION IS HAVING A YOUNG PERSON TRY TO LEAVE THE FACILITY AND SOMEHOW END UP TRYING TO CROSS OR, ONE OF THE EITHER SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD OR EVEN SHADY OAKS POTENTIALLY FOR THAT MATTER, GIVEN IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND

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RETAIL CENTER AND THE CITY'S FACILITY THERE AS WELL.

>> MAYBE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

IF THE APPLICANT UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS THE MAJOR ISSUE.

>> COME ON, BACK UP, SIR.

>> WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO DO AHEAD OF TIME TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD BE IN CONTROL OF EXITS AND ENTRANCES SO THAT THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN?

>> I'M NOT ONE TO SAY THAT THAT IT'S NOT A VALID CONCERN.

I DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT I'M NOT CRITICIZING SOMEBODY ELSE FROM HAVING THAT OPINION, BUT WE NOW HAVE EIGHT OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ALSO HAVE STREETS IN FRONT OF THEM BECAUSE THAT'S AN INEVITABLE FACT OF HAVING A FACILITY.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE IS A BERM AND THERE'S BUSHES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF RIGHT THERE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET DOWN TO THE STREET.

LIKE I SAID, THE TYPE OF CHILDREN WE DEAL WITH THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE VIOLENT OR UNRULY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THESE ARE CHILDREN THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS THE CARE THAT THEY'RE GETTING AND THE THERAPY THAT THEY'RE GETTING AND YOU'LL FIND THAT YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT SUPPORTS IT.

YOU'LL FIND THAT IT IS AN IMPORTANT MISSION AND SOMETHING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR A NUMBER OF CHILDREN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO PROVIDE IT IF WE CANNOT HAVE A LOCATION THAT'S ACCESSIBLE.

>> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OTHER LOCATIONS?

>> WE ALREADY HAVE THAT LEASE, WE'VE BEEN PAYING ON IT FOR A YEAR BECAUSE OF THIS.

WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE YEARS TO PAY ON IT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANOTHER LOCATION IN SOUTHLAKE AT THIS TIME.

>> DENNIS, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO BRING THIS FORWARD AS A ZONING CHANGE TO PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD HAVE THIS RIGHT BY USE OR THIS USE BY RIGHT?

>> FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT HERE.

IS THEY'RE JUST MODIFYING THE UNDERLYING SP1 HERE TO ALLOW THAT PARTICULAR USE AT THIS FACILITY.

THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK BANK THE OZARKS DESIRED, THEY COULD ASK TO ZONE THIS TO A COMMERCIAL RETAIL DISTRICT, C3, POTENTIALLY EVEN A C2 DISTRICT.

I THINK GIVEN THE OPERATION OF THIS, IT'S MORE OR LESS A DAY FACILITY, AND BOTH C2 AND C3 HAVE USES THAT FIT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE MEDICAL COMPONENT.

C2 INCLUDES MEDICAL CLINICS, COMMERCIAL SCHOOLS, DAYCARES.

THE C3 DISTRICT ALSO INCLUDES HOSPITALS AND THEN THE VARIOUS SUBSETS OF HOSPITALS WHICH COULD BE A DAY PATIENT TYPE FACILITY, BUT THEN ALSO INCLUDES SOME OF THOSE OTHER USES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE OPERATION THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.

THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY A SPECIALIZED DAY PROGRAM FOR BEHAVIORAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE.

>> ANY OTHER REMAINING QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU COULD CHANGE IT AND BRING IT IN AS A ZONING CASE.

I STILL THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME RESULT.

CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY MADE IT CLEAR THAT THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.

RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M A NO VOTE.

I THINK I ACTUALLY VOTED FOR IT LAST TIME.

I WAS IN FAVOR OF IT AND I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL. BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE APPLICANT'S AT AND THE POSITION YOU'RE IN, AND YOU'VE GOT A LEASE, BUT ULTIMATELY, CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE CALL ON THIS.

I THINK WE AT LEAST OWE IT TO YOU TO VOTE TONIGHT AND THEN THAT WAY YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO WITH CITY COUNCIL.

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IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NOT APPROVE CASE ZA25-0030 REFERENCING THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 30TH, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2, DATED 5/30/25.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS TO NOT APPROVE, WHICH MEANS TO DENY ITEM NUMBER 7.

FOR CLARITY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

>> THAT MOTION CARRIES 3,1.

ITEM NUMBER 7 TO BE CLEAR, HAS BEEN DENIED, 3,1.

THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA,

[8. Consider: ZA25-0031, Revised Development Plan for Kirkwood East located on property described as Lots 1-8 and Lot X, Kirkwood East Addition, and located at 1400-1540 W. Kirkwood Blvd. Current Zoning: “NR-PUD” Non-Residential Planned Unit Development. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ]

REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR KIRKWOOD EAST, ZA25-0031.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER BACK TO BACK CASES ON KIRKWOOD EAST.

THIS IS THE FIRST OF THOSE TWO.

IT'S GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE ON 1400 THROUGH 1540 WEST KIRKWOOD.

IT'S ABOUT 13.6 ACRES, EIGHT WATTS CURRENTLY AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LISTED AS OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

IT'S ALSO ZONED NON RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WAS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2023.

THIS IS THE UPDATE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT, INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS AND MOVING SOME OF THE PARKING AROUND TOTAL REDUCTION OF FOUR PARKING SPACES.

GETTING INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT, YOU COULD SEE INCREASES, FOR EXAMPLE, LOT 1 16,201 TO 16,509.

GETTING RID OF THIS PARKING AREA, ADDING TO OTHERS.

LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE, BUILDING SIZE INCREASES AS WELL.

LOT 4, 5, 06, 7, AND 8.

THOSE PARKING AREAS ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED TOO.

THE OTHER CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR RIGHT AFTER THIS IS GOING TO BE A SITE PLAN FOR LOT 4 JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

MORE DETAILS ON THE CHANGES TO EACH LOT INDIVIDUALLY.

FOR MOST OF THEM, ADDING A FEW HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF SPACE, OR ADDING QUITE A BIT MORE IN SOME CASES.

TREE CONSERVATION PLANS TO GO OVER.

THE OLD ONE AND THE NEW ONE, GRADING AND DRAINAGE, UTILITIES.

HERE IS A STREET VIEW FROM 1400.

I GOT A FEW OTHER STREET VIEWS FROM AROUND THE PROPERTY.

SO 1480 AND FROM 1540.

NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE VOICED SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I WOULD TELL YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, BUT YOU KNOW THE DRILL, CURTIS?

>> DO YOU HAVE A FANCY PRESENTATION FOR US THIS EVENING?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW FANCY IT IS, BUT HOW DO WE GET TO IT UP HERE?

>> I DIDN'T LINK IT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, MY NAME IS CURTIS SHAN WITH THE SAGE GROUP 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.

THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE EXISTING APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT WAS APPROVED IN 2023.

AS YOU KNOW, WHAT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEANS IS IT'S A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE LAYOUT.

THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO DO A SITE PLAN OF EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING AS YOU GO THROUGH WHICH INCLUDES MORE DETAILED INFORMATION, ELEVATIONS, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

WHEN WE APPROVED THIS OR APPLIED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE ALSO SUBMITTED SITE PLANS FOR TWO OF THE LOTS.

THIS WAS LOT 5 HERE.

THAT BUILDING HAS SINCE BEEN BUILT.

IT WAS ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WAS SHOWN.

ALSO FOR LOT 8 AT THE NORTHWEST END, THIS BUILDING HAS ALSO BEEN BUILT.

JUST TO NOTE, THE PARKING ALONG HERE WHERE

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THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES IS NOT REALLY NEEDED RIGHT NOW, SO THAT PARKING HASN'T BEEN PUT IN.

THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE FEATURES OF THIS AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING 30 YEARS AGO OF THIS AREA.

THERE WAS A NATURAL AREA ALONG THIS BOUNDARY AND THIS BOUNDARY HERE.

BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOTHING NATURAL IN THIS AREA, WE WERE ALLOWED TO PUT A DRIVE INTO THAT NATURAL AREA HERE.

THAT'S THE SAME THING WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME PARKING HERE WHICH ALLOWS US TO REMOVE THE PARKING FROM THE KIRKWOOD FRONTAGE.

THE REASON WE BELIEVE THAT BEING ABLE TO PUT SOME PARKING INTO THAT NATURAL AREA IS REALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A SWATH WITHOUT TREES THERE, THAT IS THE OVERHEAD POWER LINE EASEMENT.

NOT ONLY DID THEY CLEAR OUT ALL THE TREES WHEN THEY BUILT THAT, WE ARE RESTRICTED FROM PLANNING ANY LANDSCAPING IN THERE.

THERE WILL NEVER BE TREES, WHETHER WE PAVE IT, PARK IT, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER THE LINES WERE PUT IN.

AS I SAID, THIS ALLOWS US TO REMOVE THE PARKING FROM THE FRONTAGE.

EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF ALL OF THESE LOTS THAT HAVE CHANGED, YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR AS HE MENTIONED, IN THE NEXT CASE, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR LOT 4 HERE.

THE REASON WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO LOTS 2 AND 3 HERE ARE A COUPLE FOLD, ONE TO MOVE THE PARKING AND TWO BECAUSE WE HAVE A POTENTIAL BUYER OF LOT 2 WHO HAS A PLAN THAT WE WANT TO SHOW AND YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE CHANGES.

THIS REFLECTS THE BUYER'S BUILDING HERE, THIS REFLECTS THE CHANGE IN PARKING DOWN HERE AND HERE'S A BLOW UP OF THE LOT 2 AS PROPOSED.

>> HERE IS A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED ON PART 2.

REALLY, THAT'S ALL IT IS AN UPDATE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE INTERESTED PEOPLE ON THIS.

THEN YOU'LL HEAR AFTER THIS, THE DETAILS ON LOT 4 SITE PLAN.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.

HOPEFULLY, THAT WAS AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY WE'RE HERE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS?

>> CURTIS, DOES THAT PROPERTY ON THE BACK SIDE FALLING BACK OFF TOWARDS WHITE CHAPEL, IS THAT A DOWNGRADE OR IS IT LEVEL IN THAT AREA? I DON'T REMEMBER.

>> NO, IT GOES DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

THIS ON BOTH SIDES OF US IS CORP OF ENGINEERS PROPERTY.

THE FLOOR EGS ON THE RIGHT GRAVEL LAND ACTUALLY COMES UP INTO THIS PROPERTY, THE WAYS.

>> MY POINT WAS I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF SOMEBODY BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY BEHIND THE FACILITY.

>> NO ONE EVER BUILT THERE. IT'S CORP PROPERTY.

>> GOOD.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, CURTIS.

>> ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? IT SEEMS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN MY ESTIMATION.

>> I AGREE. IT'S GETTING THE PARKING OFF THE FRONT AND TO THE BACK ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NO CHANCE OF ANYTHING BEING BUILT BACK THERE SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME.

>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I GUESS WE COULD TAKE A MOTION.

>> I'M SORRY. I GOT IN HERE LATE. I HAVE A QUESTION.

I JUST THOUGHT OF SAYING, ARE THERE GOING TO BE PARKING LIGHTS UP BACK THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE IN THE EASEMENT, I BELIEVE, RIGHT?

>> COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I DIDN'T TOTALLY HEAR.

>> WILL THERE BE PARKING LIGHT STRUCTURES, LIKE LIGHT POLES IN THE PARKING AREA IN THE BACK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE IN THE EASEMENT, I DON'T THINK? I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE LIGHTING BACK THERE.

>> I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE OUR PLAN DOESN'T INDICATE ANY INTENDED LIGHTING AT THIS TIME, AT LEAST PARKING LOT LIGHTING.

>> FOR EASEMENT WHERE WE CAN'T PLANT TREES, WE ALSO CANNOT HAVE LIGHT POLES THERE.

>> WHAT LIGHTING THERE WILL BE WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT.

>> CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED ON THIS ITEM?

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>> YES, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 8.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE CASE ZA25-0031, REFERENCING STAFF REPORT DATED MAY THE 30TH OF 2025, AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVISION SUMMARY 1 DATED 53025.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE GOT ONE MORE.

WE GOT SOME TECH ISSUES HERE.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DID, JASON.

>> WHICH ONE WERE YOU GOING TO VOTE ON?

>> YOU BROKE IT?

>> I BROKE IT.

>> I'LL RESTART IT. DO YOU JUST WANT TO DO A ROLL CALL?

>> SURE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM?

>> COMMISSIONER SPRINGER?

>> COMMISSIONER PHALEN?

>> COMMISSIONER DRISCOLL?

>> I'M A YES. THAT ITEM CARRIES 5, 0.

CONGRATULATIONS. I THINK WE'VE GOT OUR TECH BACK UP AND RUN.

ITEM NUMBER 9 ON AGENDA ZA25-0032 SITE PLAN FOR THE KOLBE BUILDING.

[9. Consider: ZA25-0032, Site Plan for Kolbe Building, on property described at Lot 4, Block 1, Kirkwood East Addition, and located at 1480 W. Kirkwood Blvd. Current Zoning: “NR-PUD” Non-Residential Planned Unit Development. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ]

>> BACK AGAIN, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT PREVIOUS ITEM.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A SITE PLAN FOR THE KOLBE BUILDING ON LOT 4.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT TWO STORIES, ABOUT 4,500 SQUARE FEET, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE AT 1480 WEST KIRKWOOD.

AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, JUST SHOWING THE SPECIFIC SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

FUTURE LAND USE, STILL OFFICE COMMERCIAL, NON-RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONE, THE CURRENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE PROPOSED REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT JUST GOT A 5, 0 VOTE.

SITE PLAN SHOWING THE BUILDING AND THE SURROUNDING PARKING ON THE LOT.

DATA SUMMARY OF THE SITE.

LANDSCAPE PLAN.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR ELEVATIONS FOR MORE PLANS OF THE BUILDING, THE WAREHOUSE FLOOR, AND THE UPPER FLOOR AS WELL.

NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE VOICED SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 9? SKIP, HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? YOU KNOW THE DRILL JUST LIKE CURTIS, CORRECT? I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET MARTIN TONIGHT. NO, MARTIN?

>> SKIP BLAKE, BLAKE ARCHITECTS, 1202 SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

BEAUTIFUL, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION.

I THINK THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A COMPLIMENTARY BUILDING TO THE TWO THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS THAT WE WORKED ON TURNED OUT REALLY ATTRACTIVE, AND THIS ONE WILL FOLLOW THE SAME GRADE.

I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT COLOR ELEVATIONS.

I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE THOSE FOR COUNCIL. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE USE OF THIS BUILDING?

>> STORAGE, JUST SOME CARS, AND THEY'LL HAVE AN OFFICE AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SIMILAR TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.

>> APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER 9 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, NOW IS TIME TO DO SO.

THIS ONE SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME AS WELL, BUT GLAD TO ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? NOPE. PRETTY EASY.

DR. SPRINGER, YOU'RE UP.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE ZA25-0032, REFERENCING STAFF REPORT DATED MAY THE 30TH, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1, DATED 5/30/'25.

>> VERY GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 5, 0.

THANK YOU GUYS. TAKE CARE.

COMMISSIONER PHALEN IS HERE NOW, SO WE WILL NOT HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE EFFICIENT OPERATION OF GOVERNMENT.

I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF ON ITEM NUMBER 10.

>> YES. ITEM 10 IS A REQUEST FOR

[10. Consider: ZA25-0033, Site Plan for Versacor Managed Pest Solutions on property described at Lot 2R, Block A, Briarwood Estates Phase 1 and located at 485 Cherry Ln. Current Zoning: “O-1” Office District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING ]

A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR VERSACOR MANAGED PEST SOLUTIONS.

THIS IS AT 485 CHERRY LANE.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS 01 OFFICE DISTRICT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO SEEK APPROVAL TO DO A 7,801 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ADDITION AND THEN ASSOCIATED PARKING.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED.

THE ZONING IS 01 OFFICE DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE APPROVED SITE PLAN FROM 2014.

YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING HERE, AND THEN THE PROPOSED ADDITION WILL BE IN THE BACK HERE.

WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, THEY DID GET TWO VARIANCES APPROVED.

THE FIRST WAS FROM THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A DRIVEWAY STACKING DEPTH OF APPROXIMATELY 20.5 FEET, AND THAT WAS APPROVED.

THEY ALSO REQUESTED A VARIANCE OF THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.

THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE 70% OF THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY, AND THEY PROPOSED TO PRESERVE 51%, AND THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED.

HERE'S THE APPROVED TREE CONSERVATION PLAN FROM 2014.

THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

IN GRAY HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW BUILDING ADDITION, AND THEN THE GRAY HERE IS THE NEW ADDED PARKING SPACES.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY DID GET A DRIVEWAY STACKING DEPTH VARIANCE WITH THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20.5 FEET AND THEY WERE REQUESTING THAT VARIANCE AGAIN.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.

WE'VE GOT THE EAST, NORTH, AND SOUTH.

THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION.

THIS IS JUST THE ELEVATION SHOWING ARTICULATION.

MORE ELEVATIONS WITH THE ARTICULATION.

THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

HERE WE HAVE A COLOR LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN.

WITH THIS NEW SUBMITTAL, THEY ARE ACTUALLY MEETING THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.

THE REQUIRED PRESERVATION IS 60% AND THEIR PRESERVED CANOPY IS 77.1%.

THIS IS A STREET VIEW FROM CHERRY LANE.

THIS SHOWS THE PROPOSED BUILDING ADDITION, THE LOCATION FOR THAT PROPOSED BUILDING ADDITION.

JUST ANOTHER VIEW SHOWING WHERE THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE, THE ADDITION.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I'M SURE THE APPLICANT CAN TELL US, BUT IS THIS GOING TO BE BASICALLY, WAREHOUSE TYPE STORAGE OR IS IT GOING TO BE OFFICE SPACE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO BE?

>> THEY'RE SHOWING IT IS I THINK, MOSTLY A GENERAL OFFICE.

>> VERY GOOD. THANKS. WELL, I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME ON THIS.

I'M GETTING USED TO THIS HERE AGAIN. LET'S SEE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PHILIP MORSE, 941 SUGARBERRY, COPPELL, TEXAS.

I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BUSINESS OWNER WITH US TONIGHT.

I THINK STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PRESENTING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

THAT IS, IT'S JUST MORE OFFICES.

THE VERSACOR IS BASED HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND THEY'RE JUST EXPANDING.

THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL HERE, SO THEY'RE GLAD TO CONTINUE TO GROW IF YOU GUYS WILL LET US.

>> IT'S UNUSUAL THE WAY YOU'VE GOT THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS THERE.

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WHY DID YOU NOT BUT THE WHOLE THING UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THE BUILDING?

>> THERE IS A 30 INCH DROP IN THE FLOOR LEVEL FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK. IT SLOPES TO THE BACK.

WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE ADA AND THE TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A LONG RAMP.

IT GOES THROUGH THERE, SO THERE'S SOME STEPS AND SOME RAMPING IN THAT AREA TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION.

>> VERY GOOD. THANKS. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHY ARE YOU OVER PARKING THE SITE COMPARED TO WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE ZONING?

>> YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, JASON?

>> SURE. HI, THERE, JASON EICHER, AND I'M AT 417 COPPERFIELD STREET, SOUTHLAKE. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?

>> WELL, I SEE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING 66 PARKING SPACES AND YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED 54.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY YOU'RE PUTTING EXTRA PARKING ON THE SITE?

>> WELL, WE JUST WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS WE MIGHT NEED.

WHEN IT'S BUILT OUT, WE EXPECT TO HAVE 54 OFFICE SPACES IN BOTH SIDES, SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE HANDICAPPED SPACES OF THE 66, I THINK THREE.

>> YEAH, THREE.

>> I'M SORRY. SO YOU'RE PLANNING ON CONTINUING TO EXPAND THE BUILDING FOOT PRINT?

>> NO. ONCE IT'S EXPANDED, ONCE WE DO THIS, IF WE HAVE VISITORS, WE WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA PARKING FOR VISITORS.

>> THIS IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE ALL OFFICE SPACE, IT'S NOT WAREHOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> SURE.

>> NO. IT'S ALL OFFICE.

>> THEN DO YOUR TECHNICIANS WORK OUT OF HERE OR HOW DO YOU FIND THEM?

>> NO. THEY DON'T.

THEY ALL WORK FROM HOME.

THIS IS ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE.

ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE HERE, FINANCE, HR, IT, TECHNICAL SERVICES.

>> WE HAVE ADMIN STAFF.

IT'S REALLY, WE'RE IN SEVEN STATES.

THIS IS OUR HOME OFFICE, AND IT'S JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF FOR A MUCH LARGER OPERATION, ACTUALLY.

>> YOU GUYS ARE JUST A REGULAR PEST CONTROL COMPANY.

I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU'RE SPECIAL IN SOME.

>> WE'RE NOT REGULAR.

BUT NO, THAT'S OKAY. [LAUGHTER].

>> EVERYBODY IS.

>> WE'RE EXCEPTIONAL. [LAUGHTER].

>> WERE YOU GO.

>> WE'RE COMMERCIAL ONLY, AND SO WE SERVICE FIVE MAJOR MAIN MARKET VERTICALS IN THE COMMERCIAL SEGMENT, SO WE HAVE LARGE FACILITIES ACROSS, AS I SAID, ACROSS SEVEN STATES.

WE GO ALL THE WAY TO ALABAMA.

>> NICE. WELL, WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU MADE SOUTHLAKE YOUR HOME AND THAT YOU'RE GROWING. WE LIKE THAT.

>> SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE IF MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF, BUT IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT YOU ALL ARE NOT MEETING THE REQUIRED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE PERCENTAGE? BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING 61%, BUT IT'S REQUIRED, I GUESS IT SAYS 65% MAX.

STAFF, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT THAT'S NOT A VARIANCE THEN.

>> NO VARIANCE. THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED FOR THIS DISTRICT, 65 AND THEY'RE AT 61, SO THEY'RE BELOW THE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED.

THERE IS JUST DUE TO THE INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA AND THE EXPECTED INCREASE IN DAILY HOUR PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE RECONSIDERATION OF THE STACKING VARIANCE.

THAT IS A VARIANCE THAT WOULD NEED ACTION ON AS FAR AS THE CHARACTER OF THE ROAD AND THE STACKING THAT'S FUNCTIONALLY PROVIDED THERE, I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS FOR THE DRIVEWAY IS IT'S CONFIGURED.

BUT NONETHELESS, IT DOES NOT MEET THE STACKING DEPTH AS REQUIRED BY THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE.

>> DENNIS, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE MOTION?

>> YES. WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

>> WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, HOWEVER, HAD THE INCREASE PROPOSED BEEN UNDER 20% OF A INCREASE IN WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A LESS THAN A 20% INCREASE IN TRIP GENERATION.

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THAT VARIANCE COULD HAVE NOT HAD TO HAVE BEEN RECONSIDERED.

IT'S JUST A INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA THAT DRIVES VEHICLE TRAFFIC THAT TRIGGERED THAT REQUIREMENT.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE SPECIFICALLY.

>> IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE VARIANCE REQUESTED, THEN YES, THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.

>> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. I THINK THAT'S IT, IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I GUESS IF NOBODY'S GOT ANY COMMENTS, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

NOBODY? CAN WE GET A MOTION?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SUBMIT THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 25-0033 SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY 2, DATED 53025, STAFF REPORT DATED MAY, 2025, AND SPECIFICALLY ADD THAT WE ALSO APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE STACKING DEPTH FOR THE PARKING LOT ON SITE.

>> VERY GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.

JASON, I THINK WE GOT IT STUCK AGAIN.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, GUYS.

COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM, HOW DO YOU VOTE?

>> COMMISSIONER FORMAN. THAT'S ME.

YES. COMMISSIONER PHALEN?

>> COMMISSIONER DRISCOLL?

>> WE FINALLY GOT THROUGH THAT ONE.

WELL DONE, DR. SPRINGER.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11,

[11. Consider: Resolution No. 25-022, ZA25-0034, Specific Use Permit for Electric Vehicle Charging Spaces at SEMA Headquarters, on property described as Lot 4, Block A, GMI Southlake Addition, and located at 380 S. Nolen Dr. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]

RESOLUTION 25-022, WHICH IS ALSO ZA 2-00534 SUP FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES.

>> GOING TO BE GOING OVER ITEM 11, LOOKING AT EV CHARGING SPACES AT SIMA HEADQUARTERS.

LOCATED AT 380 SOUTH NOLAN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT TWO EV CHARGERS THAT WILL SERVE IN TOTAL FOUR SPACES.

AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU COULD SEE NOLEN CROOKED RIGHT THERE.

FUTURE IS LISTED AS MIXED USE AND IT IS A SP2 DISTRICT.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ADD IN.

THE CHARGES ARE GOING TO BE USED BY CORPORATE VISITORS, SEMEN EMPLOYEES, CLIENTS, GUESTS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC VISITING THE SITE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN.

THEY'LL BE MARKED WITH APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER ENSURED THAT THEY'RE SAFE FUNCTIONING, COMPLIANCE WITH CODE COMPLIANCE CODES.

YOU CAN SEE THE TWO PROPOSED LOCATIONS RIGHT THERE.

LITTLE RENDERING OF WHAT THE CHARGERS WILL LOOK LIKE ON THE SITE, AND THIS IS THE CURRENT IMAGE OF THE SITE.

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THE APPLICANT, AS WELL, HAD THE IDEA THAT THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE.

THEY HAVE THIS RENDERING THAT WOULD SHOW POTENTIALLY WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE DOWN THE LINE JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT THERE.

HERE'S A STREET VIEW FROM NO ONE, ANOTHER FROM CROOKED.

YOU COULD SEE RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

NO OPPOSITION, NO SUPPORT FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, AND IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> WELL, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND ANY OF THAT.

>> THE CHARGERS, THIS IS IT FOR THE CHARGERS.

THIS IS WHAT THE BUILDING CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE, AND THIS IS WHAT IF APPROVED, THIS IS WHAT TO LOOK LIKE, BUT THEY HAD LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY A SITE PLAN CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, AND THEY HAD THESE RENDERINGS, SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO SHARE JUST A POTENTIAL FUTURE, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 11? HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING?

>> GOOD. HOW ARE YOU?

>> GOOD. IF YOU WOULD DO ME A FAVOR AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> KATHERINE ALFORD WITH KIMLEY HORN, 02,600 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 75080.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS?

>> NO, WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION.

I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE UNIVERSAL CHARGERS.

THEY'LL PRETTY MUCH CHARGE ANY ELECTRICAL VEHICLE?

>> BUT THEY IS THIS GOING TO BE RESTRICTED SO THAT IF JUST A PRIVATE CITIZEN WANTS TO COME IN AND USE THEM, THEY CAN, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE STRICTLY FOR THE COMPANY.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE MEANT FOR THE COMPANY USE, BUT I MEAN, ANYONE CAN DRIVE UP AND COME USE THEM.

>> IT'S CREDIT CARD OPERATED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IS THAT THE WAY IT WORKS?

>> BASICALLY, LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO DO A PARKING PASS OR A PARKING TICKETS, NORMALLY, LIKE A QR CODE, OR YOU CAN DO A CREDIT CARD, ANYTHING.

>>VERY GOOD. THANKS.

>> CAN I ASK WHAT IS IT THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE SPOT THAT HAS A CHARGER AND THEN AN EMPTY SPOT, AND THEN ANOTHER SPOT WITH THE CHARGERS.

>> IT'S NORMALLY LIKE THE CHARGER WILL BE PLACED ON THE PARKING STRIPE, AND THEN THERE'S TWO CONNECTIONS, SO IT CAN SERVE TWO VEHICLES LIKE THAT.

>> ASSUME THAT THESE ARE POWERED FROM THE BUILDINGS POWER SOURCE.

THERE'S NOT ANY ADDITIONAL TRANSFORMERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT ARE SET OUTSIDE?

>> TRANSFORMERS.

>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU'VE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

BY ANYONE, I MEAN, ANY OF YOU THREE, SINCE WE GOT THREE LEFT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER 11.

>> I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS GOING IN, AND ESPECIALLY CENSUS AND NEW BUILDING.

THEY'RE NOT HAVING THE EXTERNAL TRANSFORMERS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO HIDE.

IT'S A LOT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

THIS IS A GOOD PRESENTATION FOR THIS.

I LIKE THE APPLICATION.

>> AGREED. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, DR. SPRINGER, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE?

>> YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE ZA 25-0034, REFERENCING THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 30, 2025, AND THE REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED 5/30/25.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE GET THAT, DENNIS?

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?