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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO
[1. Call to order. ]
OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 2, 2025.MY NAME IS SHAWN MCCASKILL, AND AS MAYOR.
I CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER AND WELCOME EVERYONE.
WE HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR WORK SESSION.
AS ALWAYS, WE ASK PASTOR CLAYTON REID FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO ALSO SERVES AS THE OFFICIAL CHAPLAIN FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TO LEAD US IN PRAYER.
THEN IF YOU'RE ABLE TO REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. PASTOR REID.
>> LET'S PRAY. DEAR LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE HELP THAT YOU GIVE US THROUGH EVERY DAY, THIS DAY, THE BLESSINGS AND PEACE THAT WE EXPERIENCE BY LIVING IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, AND WE GIVE THANKS FOR THAT.
WE GIVE THANKS FOR LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO SERVE HERE EVERY DAY, EVERY YEAR.
WHO ARE WORKING TO MAKE THIS TOWN BEAUTIFUL AND INCREDIBLE, AND WE GIVE THANKS FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM AND THEIR DEDICATION TO THE SPACE THAT WE LIVE IN.
WE PRAY PROTECTION OVER OUR CITY.
WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO WORK EVERY DAY TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
WE BOTH ON OUR POLICE AND FIRE AND BUILDING INSPECTION.
WE PRAY ALL OF THEM LORD WOULD HAVE PEACE AND THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM HELP AS THEY SERVE OUR CITY AND WORK TO MAKE THIS A SAFE PLACE.
WE PRAY ALL OF OUR COUNCIL TONIGHT AS THEY CONSIDER THE BUDGET, WE THANK YOU FOR A LOT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT IN THIS, BUT WE PRAY FOR SPECIAL WISDOM FOR THEM AS THEY CONSIDER THE FUTURE, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY NEED TO SEE AND THAT YOUR WILL WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED IN OUR CITY THROUGH THAT EXERCISE.
THANK YOU FOR THE LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR US.
THANK YOU MOST OF ALL FOR YOUR SON JESUS, AND IT'S IN HIS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN.
>> AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REID. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[3. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation for National Service Dog Month ]
ITEM NUMBER 3, PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL SERVICE DOG MONTH.I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ELIZABETH BLESSING AND MARILYN WHITNEY TO COME UP AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CANINE COMPANIONS.
COME ON DOWN OR WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR ALL OF YOU.
ESPECIALLY THE FOUR LEGGED GUESTS.
COME ON DOWN. I THINK THE MICROPHONE'S ALREADY ON, SO YOU'RE READY TO GO WHENEVER YOU ARE.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TRACY CONINE, AND THIS LITTLE FREE THING WITH ME IS SEVEN MONTH OLD GILLY.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATE CALVODA, AND I AM WITH PENY, AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL, APPARENTLY.
SHE'LL BE 12 WEEKS OLD TOMORROW, SO SHE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT WIGGLY.
>> THAT'D BE GREAT. LITTLE EASIER FOR ME.
ON BEHALF OF CANINE COMPANIONS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK AGAIN THIS YEAR FOR NATIONAL SERVICE DOG MONTH.
>> EVERYONE'S EXCITED TO BE AT CITY COUNCIL.
>> I KNOW. IT'S GREAT, ISN'T IT?
>> THIS IS QUITE EASIER FOR HER TO TACKLE.
>> YES. BUT ALSO, CANINE COMPANIONS IS CELEBRATING THEIR 50TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.
CANINE COMPANIONS IS THE LARGEST SERVICE DOG ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY.
WE PROVIDE SERVICE DOGS TO ADULTS, CHILDREN, AND VETERANS WITH DISABILITIES.
WE ALSO PROVIDE FACILITY DOGS, AND PROFESSIONAL SETTINGS, ALL AT NO COST.
HERE IN TEXAS, WE ARE PART OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL REGION, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUSIVE OF OKLAHOMA, ARKANSAS, AND LOUISIANA.
OUR SOUTH CENTRAL REGION, THE PROFESSIONAL TRAINING CENTER IS LOCATED IN IRVING, TEXAS, WHERE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 60 DOGS ON CAMPUS, INCLUDING MINE THAT I SENT BACK IN AUGUST.
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH PROFESSIONAL TRAINING, LEARNING HOW TO BE SERVICE DOGS, AND THEN THROUGHOUT OUR REGION, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 130 FUTURE SERVICE DOGS LIKE STRUTLE AND PENY AND GILLY THAT ARE IN PROCESS.
THEY'RE BEING TAUGHT OBEDIENCE, THEY'RE BEING TAUGHT GOOD MANNERS, AND THAT WILL GET US TO PROFESSIONAL TRAINING WHEN THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY 15 TO 18 MONTHS OLD.
ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE VERY THANKFUL TO BE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
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I PERSONALLY AM BECAUSE I WAS HERE LAST YEAR WITH YOU GUYS WITH A VERY DIFFERENT DOG, THE GOLDEN SNICKERS, WHO IS ABOUT TO GRADUATE, WHICH IS AWESOME.WE'RE HERE TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OF US.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
THE GREAT SERVICE YOU PROVIDE AND THE KINDNESS IN WHICH YOU DO IT. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS.
BEFORE I HAVE A PROCLAMATION, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
I THINK FRANCIS WANTS TO HOLD THE PUPPY FOR THE PICTURE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] WE'LL DISCUSS THAT.
>> IT'S OKAY. IF YOU WANT BLACK FUR ALL OVER YOU, GO RIGHT AT IT.
>> WELL, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO HONOR YOU ALL, SO WE'LL READ THROUGH THAT, AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, THEN WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE WITH OUR SPECIAL GUESTS.
>> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PROCLAMATION FROM THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL, "WHEREAS WE BELIEVE IN THE JOYFUL, TRANSFORMATIVE POWER OF THE HUMAN-CANINE BOND AND THE IMPORTANCE OF EMBRACING ALL, AND WHEREAS MORE THAN 64 MILLION ADULTS AND CHILDREN IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE A DISABILITY, YET THERE ARE ONLY APPROXIMATELY 16,000 SERVICE DOGS FROM ACCREDITED TRAINING PROGRAMS NATIONWIDE WITH THE DEMAND CONTINUING TO GROW.
WHEREAS CANINE COMPANIONS IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT ENHANCES THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES BY PROVIDING EXPERTLY TRAINED SERVICE DOGS AND ONGOING SUPPORT TO ENSURE QUALITY PARTNERSHIPS, AND WHEREAS CANINE COMPANIONS AND THEIR SERVICE DOGS EMPOWER PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO LEAD A LIFE WITH GREAT INDEPENDENCE, BY PROVIDING BEST IN CLASS TRAINING, ONGOING FOLLOW UP SERVICES, AND A DEEPLY COMMITTED COMMUNITY OF SUPPORT.
WHEREAS NATIONAL SERVICE DOG MONTH AIMS TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF SERVICE DOGS AND THE LAWS PROTECTING THEM.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, MAYOR SHAWN MCCASKILL, ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNITION OF SERVICE DOGS AND THE ADULTS AND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER AS NATIONAL SERVICE DOG MONTH.
I ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE SERVICE DOGS AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE RIGHTS AFFORDED TO THE ADULTS AND CHILDREN WHO LEAD MORE INDEPENDENT LIVES BECAUSE OF THEIR ASSISTANCE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND CONGRATULATIONS." [APPLAUSE]
>> IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL, CAN WE GET A PICTURE, AND I HAVE THE PROCLAMATION FOR YOU?
>> HERE WE GO. EVERYBODY SMILE, 03, 2, 1.
>> [BACKGROUND] THAT'S THE FUN PART OF THE EVENING.
NOW LET'S GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
[4. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ]
LET'S SEE. OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, KATHY TALLY.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. [LAUGHTER] I WANT TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM 4A, APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 19, 2025, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
ITEM 4B, APPROVED RESOLUTION 25-031, APPROVING A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT FOR THE 2025 ETMS RATE REVIEW MECHANISM FILING, ITEM 4C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1292, FIRST READING,
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APPROVING A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH TRI-COUNTY ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE INC.ITEM 4D, EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER GINA KANOVA, FROM THE AUGUST 21ST, 2025, REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
ITEM 4E, TABLE, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-564 F, ZA 24-0042, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARLYN PARK PLAZA DISTRICT, ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACTS 3A4, 3A 4A, 3A5, 3A, 3A3, 3A1B, AND A PORTION OF TRACTS 1E1D, AND 3A1, LARKIN H. CHIVER SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 300 AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD, WEST OF RIVIERA DRIVE AND APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET SOUTH OF EAST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TYRAN COUNTY, TEXAS, CREATING ZONING ECZ, EMPLOYMENT CENTER ZONING DISTRICT, REQUESTED ZONING ECZ, EMPLOYMENT CENTER ZONING DISTRICT, SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 3.
THEN THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 7A HAS REQUESTED TO TABLE, AND THAT IS CASE NUMBER ZA 25-0030, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR CARS CARE, SOUTHLAKE, AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO TABLE THIS TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WE ALSO GOT A NOTE AN HOUR AGO FROM THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 9C.
THEY COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
WE COULD EITHER CONSIDER THAT ONE ON CONSENT FOR APPROVAL OR JUST MOVE IT AND TABLE IT.
ANY THOUGHTS ON 9C, IT'S ASSIGNED FOR PARAGON PLASTIC SURGERY.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT TABLE OR APPROVAL ON CONSENT.
I ACTUALLY THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT ONE, EVEN IF IT'S TONIGHT BECAUSE IT SAYS IT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
>> SO WE'LL PUT 9C ON CONSENT FOR TABLEING.
>> YES. THAT IS SP 25-0010 SIGN RENT FOR PARAGON PLASTIC SURGERY, TABLEING IT TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
>> THEN WE ALSO HAVE APPOINTMENTS TO CEDC AND CCPD, COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND CRIME CONTROL PREVENTION DISTRICT.
DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT NOW AND PUT THAT ON CONSENT? I THINK WE HAVE AN OPENING ON CEDC, OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP IN DUE COURSE?
>> I'M GOOD TO READ THEM NOW OR WE CAN TAKE IT UP WHEN WE COME BACK.
WE DO HAVE A VACANT SPOT THAT CHAD PATTON HAS REQUESTED BE FILLED BY HIM.
THAT IS A TERM IT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW.
THAT TERM WILL EXPIRE SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, SO THAT KEEPS THE TERMS ODD.
THERE'S SO MANY THIS YEAR, SO MANY NEXT YEAR, SO IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT THAT SYSTEM.
>> [BACKGROUND] YES. RE-APPOINTING EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THEY ALL HAVE APPLIED TO BE REAPPOINTED.
>> GOOD. WE'LL MOVE THAT TO CONSENT, AND WE'LL MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS OR REAPPOINTMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY DISCUSSION OR PRESENTATIONS NEEDED ON CONSENT STUFF? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE PAST THAT.
WE'LL VOTE ON THAT IN OUR REGULAR SESSION.
NEXT UP, I'LL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER.
[1. Call to order. ]
AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO[2. A. Executive Session:]
EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071.TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, SECTION 551.072 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY MATTERS, SECTION 551.074 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS, AND SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER FOR A GUESTIMATE ON WHEN WE'LL BE BACK.
[BACKGROUND] BE AN HOUR FOR EXACT SESSION, SO WE'LL BE BACK AROUND 6:45. WE'LL SEE YOU IN AN HOUR.
[2. B. Reconvene: Action necessary on items discussed in Executive Session.]
I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER.IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOW AN EXACT SESSION?
>> THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLEY.
NEXT, WE'LL GO TO THE MAYOR'S REPORT. THERE IS NONE.
[ 3.B. City Manager's Report]
NEXT IS 3B CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER KENNEDY MEEHAN TO STEP FORWARD.
SHE IS GOING TO BE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH, WHICH BEGAN YESTERDAY.
SEPTEMBER ANNUALLY IS KNOWN AS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
AS ALLISON HAS SAID, MY NAME IS KENNEDY MEEHAN, AND I SERVE AS THE EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
EACH YEAR DURING NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH, WE TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT, RE ENGAGE AND REINFORCE HOW OUR CITY STAYS READY, RESILIENT, AND PREPARED.
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THIS YEAR'S THEME IS SIMPLE, BUT POWERFUL.PREPAREDNESS BEGINS WITH A SIMPLE CONVERSATION.
PREPAREDNESS BEGINS WITH A CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S A CONVERSATION ROOTED IN EXPERIENCE.
TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH WAS LAUNCHED BY FMA IN 2004.
IT WAS A NATIONWIDE INITIATIVE TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT EMERGENCY READINESS.
BUT THE TRUTH IS THE NEED FOR PREPAREDNESS STARTED LONG BEFORE THAT.
ONE OF THE EARLIEST DOCUMENTED DISASTERS IN TEXAS HISTORY OCCURRED IN 1900 WHEN A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANES STRUCK THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
THE STORM SURGE DEVASTATED THE CITY, CLAIMING THOUSANDS OF LIVES AND FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING HOW WE VIEW A DISASTER RESPONSE.
ONLY IN 1980 DID THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE START TRACKING THE FREQUENCY AND FINANCIAL IMPACT OF WEATHER AND CLIMATE EVENTS.
SINCE THEN, TEXAS HAS LED THE NATION $1,000,000,000 DISASTERS WITH MORE THAN 190 MAJOR EVENTS TO DATE.
THE NUMBERS ARE POWERFUL, BUT THEY'RE ONLY PART OF THE STORY BECAUSE PREPAREDNESS ISN'T JUST ABOUT STATISTICS, IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING OUR FAMILIES, OUR NEIGHBORS, AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.
PREPAREDNESS IS PERSONAL, AND PERSONAL PREPAREDNESS BEGINS WITH THE MOST POWERFUL TOOL WE HAVE, A CONVERSATION.
>> WE OFTEN THINK OF EMERGENCY PLANNING AS CHECKLIST OR GO KITS, AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.
BUT REAL PREPAREDNESS STARTS WITH TALKING, TALKING TO YOUR FAMILY ABOUT WHERE TO MEET IF YOU'RE SEPARATED OR WORKPLACE EMERGENCY PROCEDURES.
>> BECAUSE ONE CONVERSATION CAN SAVE LIVES TOMORROW.
THAT'S WHY THIS YEAR, WE'RE LAUNCHING TWO INITIATIVES TO TURNS INTO ACTION.
FIRST, WE'RE HOSTING A SOUTHLAKE BLOOD DRIVE TO SHOW HOW A SIMPLE ACTION CAN HAVE A BIG IMPACT.
SECOND, WE'RE INVITING ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN A PREPAREDNESS PHOTO CONTEST.
EACH TEAM WILL REVIEW ITS EMERGENCY PLANS AND SUBMIT A CREATIVE PHOTO SHOWING HOW THEY ARE PREPARING.
THE MOST ENGAGING AND THOUGHTFUL ENTRY WILL WIN A PRIZE AND OF COURSE, BRAGGING RIGHTS.
THESE EFFORTS MIGHT LOOK FUN ON THE SURFACE, BUT THEY SERVE A DEEPER PURPOSE TO SPARK A REAL MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT PREPAREDNESS.
OF COURSE, WHEN THOSE EMERGENCIES DO HAPPEN, CONVERSATIONS NEED A PLACE TO BECOME DECISIONS.
THAT'S WHERE OUR NEWEST INVESTMENT IN PREPAREDNESS, WHERE OUR NEW INVESTMENT IN PREPAREDNESS COMES IN.
I'M PROUD TO SHARE THAT SOUTHLAKE HAS A BRAND NEW EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.
>> A MAJOR STEP FORWARD IN THE CITY'S EMERGENCY READINESS.
THE STATE OF THE ART FACILITY IS DESIGNED TO SERVE AS A CENTRAL COORDINATION HUB DURING DISASTERS.
IT BRINGS TOGETHER LEADERSHIP FROM ACROSS THE CITY TO ONE SECURE EQUIPPED SPACE.
BUT THE EOC ISN'T JUST FOR RESPONSE.
IT'S ALSO FOR PLANNING AND TRAINING.
IT'S WHERE WE HOLD TABLETOP EXERCISES, REFINE OUR PROTOCOLS, AND STRENGTHEN COLLABORATION BEFORE DISASTER EVER STRIKES.
FROM UPGRADED TECHNOLOGY TO A MORE FUNCTIONAL WORKSPACE, THIS EOC REFLECTS SOUTHLAKE'S LONG TERM INVESTMENT IN RESILIENCE, COMMUNICATION, AND COORDINATED ACTION.
WHEN THE UNEXPECTED HAPPENS, WE NOW HAVE A SPACE TO RESPOND SMARTER, FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY.
ONCE WE PLANNED, TRAINED, AND COORDINATED, THE NEXT CRITICAL STEP IS MAKING SURE OUR COMMUNITY RECEIVES TIMELY AND ACCURATE INFORMATION.
IN ANY EMERGENCY, INFORMATION IS POWER, AND IT CAN SAVE LIVES.
THAT'S WHY SOUTHLAKE RELIES ON ALERT SOUTHLAKE, FAST AND RELIABLE MASS NOTIFICATION SYSTEM.
WITH OVER 60,000 CONTACTS ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM, ALERT SOUTHLAKE PROVIDES REAL TIME UPDATES ON SEVERE WEATHER, ROAD CLOSURES, AND OTHER CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
IT IS EVEN INTEGRATED WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA, SO RESIDENTS RECEIVE LOCAL ALERTS BASED ON THEIR POLYGONS ITSELF.
THANKS TO OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH EVERBRIDGE, MOST SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY PRE-REGISTERED.
STILL WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO DOUBLE CHECK THEIR INFORMATION AND STAY CONNECTED.
BEING INFORMED IS ONE OF THE EASIEST AND MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO STAY SAFE.
BUT TOOLS LIKE ALERT SOUTHLAKE ONLY WORK WHEN PEOPLE ENGAGE WITH THEM.
THAT BRINGS US TO OUR FINAL REMINDER THAT PREPAREDNESS ISN'T A ONE TIME EFFORT. IT'S ONGOING.
PREPAREDNESS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S NEVER TRULY FINISHED.
BEGINS WITH SIMPLE ACTIONS LIKE ASKING QUESTIONS OR SHARING PLANS.
THIS SEPTEMBER, I INVITE EACH OF YOU TO MAKE IT A MONTH OF ACTION, WHETHER IT'S STARTING A NEW CONVERSATION, UPDATING THE PLAN OR TAKING PART IN ONE OF OUR INITIATIVES.
BECAUSE PREPAREDNESS IS NOT A DESTINATION, IT'S A COMMITMENT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
>> THANK YOU, KENNEDY. GREAT REPORT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO BEING IN CHARGE OF OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
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THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR YOU GAVE ME A FEW MONTHS AGO OF THE NEW EOC.IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE STUFF, AND IT'S GOT ALL THE GREAT TECHNOLOGY TO KEEP US SAFE.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA: ]
WE REVIEWED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DURING OUR WORK SESSION.WE'RE MOVING A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TABLE THEM.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, KATHY TALLY.
>> MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I MOVE THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 4A THROUGH 4E.
NOTING THAT WE ARE TABLE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, WE ARE TABLING 7A TO THE SEPTEMBER 16, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND A CORRECTION ON 9C AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, WE'RE TABLEING 9C TO THE OCTOBER 7, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND NOTING WE ARE ADDING ITEM 8A, WHICH IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 DASH, EXCUSE ME, 032, APPOINTING MEMBERS TO COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT AS FOLLOWS.
FOR COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WE ARE APPOINTING JEFF WANG AS DIRECTOR ONE, TERM EXPIRING SEPTEMBER OF 2027.
JENNIFER KOLB, DIRECTOR THREE TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER OF 2027.
CRAIG SURTEBONT, DIRECTOR FIVE, TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 2027.
MIKE PIZIA, DIRECTOR SEVEN, TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 2027.
WE HAVE A VACANT PLACE FOR DIRECTOR FOUR, AND WE ARE APPOINTING CHAD PATENT TO THAT, AND THAT TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 2026 FOR THE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT.
KEN MCMILLAN, PLACE ONE, TERM EXPIRING SEPTEMBER 2027, ROBERT WILLIAMS, PLACE TWO, TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 2027 AND FRANK POWERS, PLACE THREE, TERM EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 2027.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES.
AND THAT MOTION CARRY 70, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
THANK YOU, KATHY. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, OUR PUBLIC FORUM.
[5. Public Forum. ]
PUBLIC FORM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO BRING FORWARD ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA.WE HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENT CARDS FOR PUBLIC FORUM, AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA.
THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT FORM IS FROM GG LANDY AT 1342 FOREST LN, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK HER IN PUBLIC FORUM.
COME ON DOWN, THE MICROPHONE'S ALREADY ON.
AND IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE IN CROSS TIMBER HILLS, SOUTHLAKE.
AND MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AT 13:40 CROSS TIMBER HILLS, FOREST LN, AND CROSS TIMBER HILLS, WHO I MET IN JULY.
THE HOUSE HAD BEEN VACANT SINCE BEING SOLD LAST YEAR.
THIS NEIGHBOR HAS NOT OCCUPIED THE HOUSE, BUT HAS STARTED SOME RENOVATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WITHOUT BUILDING PERMITS.
AND THAT'S MY REASON FOR BEING HERE.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS AND BUILDING PERMITS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED.
SO IT WAS QUITE OBVIOUS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THERE WERE NO PERMITS FOR WHAT WAS GOING ON, BECAUSE JULY 8, THEY CUT DOWN 27 TREES ON THE PROPERTY AND THE CONTINUATION OF THE TREE CUTTING WENT ON UNTIL JULY 25.
THEY ALSO DID DEMOLITION ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE WITHOUT ANY LICENSE CONTRACTORS, WITHOUT PERMITS.
AND SEVERAL NEIGHBORS NOTICED THIS WAS GOING ON, SO WE DID COMPLAIN TO THE CITY.
AFTER COMING DOWN TO THE CITY, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY BUILDING PERMITS.
BUT ON JULY 25, I WENT NEXT DOOR AND TOLD THE TREE TRIMMER THAT WAS THERE TO STOP CUTTING THE TREES.
HE DID NOT HAVE PERMIT TO DO SO.
MY HUSBAND AND SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS CALLED THE CITY AND THE CITY CAME OUT AND SHUT THEM DOWN THAT DAY ON JULY 25.
AFTER THAT DATE, WE WERE CONTINUED TO KEEP CHECKING TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY PERMITS.
AND MY HUSBAND AND I AND GEORGE WESTBERG,
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ANOTHER NEIGHBOR FROM CROSS TIMBER HILLS, THREE OF US CAME DOWN TO THE CITY ON AUGUST 6 AND MET WITH THE CODE DEPARTMENTS, AND WE WENT UPSTAIRS AND TALKED TO RICK MARTIN OR KEITH MARTIN, AND HE WENT OVER THE FILES THAT HE HAD TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY PERMITS.HE SAID THERE WAS A PERMIT APPLIED ONLINE ON JULY 13, BUT IT WAS NOT COMPLETED.
AND HE LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND HE SAID IT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION, AND HE SAID HE WAS SORRY, THAT HE DID NOT KEEP UP WITH THIS AND THERE HAD BEEN NO INSPECTIONS AND NO OBSERVATION OVER THIS PROCESS.
SO THERE WAS SOME ADMITTED FAULT THERE.
IN AN OBVIOUS SITUATION THAT THIS IS GOING ON AND ON WITHOUT ANY PERMITS.
SO I WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 11, AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE RESPONSE I GOT FROM CHUCK TAGGART.
THANK YOU, CHUCK. THAT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE TO CALL ME ON HIS WEEKEND OUTING WITH HIS WIFE TO CELEBRATE HIS ANNIVERSARY.
I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE.
>> IF YOU COULD WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW MORE SECONDS TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> MY THOUGHTS ARE, WE'VE GOT THE CODE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COORDINATING THE FINES OF $27,000 THAT IS VERY CUT AND DRIED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
IT'S NOT A ROCKET SCIENTIST THAT TAKES TO DETERMINE THIS FINE.
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME RESPONSE FROM KEITH MARTIN AND FROM ALSO DENNIS KELLOGG'S DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE TALKED TO HIM ALSO ABOUT THIS.
AND AS OF AUGUST 17, THIS PERMITS BEEN APPLIED FOR AGAIN.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE HAVE CODES, WE NEED TO HAVE AN APARTMENT THAT CAN BE RESPONSIBLE AND TAKE CARE OF THIS FOR THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE YOU COMING.
NEXT UP IS COLEN GOLTAN AT 7:08 BRYSON WAY HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, WHICH IS TO SPEAK.
NOT HERE ANYMORE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING OUR PUBLIC FORM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORM.
FIRST UP, OUR CASES 6A AND 6B WILL BE CONSIDERED TOGETHER.
[Items 6.A & 6.B]
SIX A IS CASE NUMBER Z 25-0032, A SITE PLAN FOR THE KOLBE BUILDING AT 1480 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, DIRECTOR KILO.>> THANK YOU MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THE FIRST ITEM, ITEM 6A IS THE SITE PLAN REQUEST FOR THE KOLBE BUILDING, AND SECOND ITEM IS AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SITE PLAN TO ALLOW SOME OF THE PAVING AND CURBING TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND EXISTING DRAINAGE STRUCTURE ON THE LOT.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1480 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AND CURRENT ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS NON-RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
FOR THE SITE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 4,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND TWO STORY.
SIX B IS REQUEST TO CONSIDER THE ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW A RAISED CURB AND CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, THAT ENTERS ONE OF THE OVERHEAD DOORS OF THE BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE EASEMENT.
THIS IS THE EXHIBIT SHOWING THAT ENCROACHMENT AREA, THE AREA OF ENCROACHMENT IS SHADED IN BLUE.
THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE EASEMENT IS 30 INCH UNDERGROUND, REINFORCED CONCRETE STORM PIPE.
STRUCTURE WOULD NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT ANY OF THE DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY SINCE THAT IS UNDERGROUND.
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THE PURPOSE OF THE AGREEMENT IS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO ACCESS THAT, IF THEY EVER NEEDED TO WITH NO LIABILITY INVOLVED WITH IT.THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
IT CONSISTS OF BRICK, STUCCO AND METAL ACCENT PANELS , AND FLOOR LAYOUT.
AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM OUR NOTIFICATION AREA.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM 50 AT THEIR MAY 30 BUILDING, MAY 30TH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND CITY COUNCIL TABLED THAT ITEM TO ALLOW THAT ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT TO GET COMPLETED TO BRING FORWARD.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, APPLICANTS HERE TO REPRESENT THE ITEM AS WELL.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT FIVE PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, AND WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN.
>> GOOD EVENING. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN MICROPHONE IS YOURS.
>> SKIP BLAKE, BLAKE ARCHITECTS, 1202, SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL, BOULEVARD HERE IN SOUTHLAKE TEXAS.
THIS IS THE THIRD BUILDING TO GO IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND ACTUALLY, THE SITE PLAN UP THERE RIGHT NOW SHOWS MORE OF A RETAINING WALL IN THAT DRAWING, WE'VE CHANGED THAT TO [INAUDIBLE] AND WORKING WITH DENNIS AND THE CIVIL ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S REALLY NOW JUST A DRIVEWAY WITH A TURNED UP CURB.
IT'S NOT EVEN ENCROACHING AS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
ITEM 6A REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6A.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6A.
6B DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 6B IN CASE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEM 6B.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6B.
COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON 6A OR 6B? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. MAYOR PRO TEM RANDY WILLIAMSON, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY FOR MOTIONS ON 6A AND 6B.
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6A Z25-0032, SITE PLAN FOR COLBY BUILDING ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4, BLOCK 1, KIRKWOOD EAST ADDITION, AND LOCATED AT 1480 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
CURRENT ZONING IS NON-RESIDENTIAL PLANED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
SPEND NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER ONE.
SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025, AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON 6A.
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6B, APPROVE AN ENCROACHMENT AND USE AGREEMENT FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A RAISED CURB AND CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITHIN A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AT 1480 WEST OF KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, AND THEY WE'RE APPROVING AN ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A RAISED CURB AND CONCRETE DRIVEWAY LOCATED WITHIN A 15 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS PRESENTED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
ITEM 6B IS APPROVED. THANK YOU, SIR.
[6.C.Resolution No. 25-029, ZA25-0038, Specific Use Permit for an accessory building on property located at 1947 E. Continental Blvd. Current Zoning: “I1” Light Industria]
RESOLUTION NUMBER 20-5029, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0038, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1947 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A METAL STORAGE BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THE STORAGE BUILDING IS ROUGHLY IN THIS LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE.
THE CURRENT ZONING ON IT IS I1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
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THIS IS A SITE EXHIBIT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM.THE STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY PLACED ON THE SITE.
IT WAS DONE SO WITHOUT PERMIT APPLICANTS HERE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT SITUATION.
IT WAS PLACED APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET OFF THE BOUNDARY MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
FOR A STORAGE STRUCTURE UNDER THE SUP IS 10 FOOT.
THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING PNZ'S DENIAL OF THIS AND DISCUSSION REGARDING SCREENING OF THE STRUCTURE HAS SUBMITTED A PLAN TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL.
THEIR OPTION A PLAN IS TO SHIFT THE BUILDING NORTH FOUR FEET TO MEET THAT MINIMUM 10 FOOT SETBACK AND PROVIDE EVERGREEN SCREENING OF PLANT FOLIAGE IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE TO SHIELD SOME OF THAT VIEW FROM CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD.
THIS IS JUST EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF PLANTINGS THEY WOULD LOOK AT PUTTING IN PLACE THERE.
THESE APPEAR TO BE EASTERN RED CEDAR OR ARIZONA CYPRUS.
SECOND OPTION B, THEY'VE PROPOSED A METAL IRON TYPE FENCE ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT TYPE FENCING.
THIRD OPTION C WAS TO ROTATE THE BUILDING 90 DEGREES, LONG WAYS PARALLEL TO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, ALSO MOVE THAT 10 FEET OFF TO INCREASE THE DISTANCE OF THAT STRUCTURE FROM CONTINENTAL.
THESE ARE SOME STREET VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY.
THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL 5-2 AND THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT YOUR LAST MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THEY HEARD AT THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM THOSE IN OUR NOTIFICATION AREA.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
>> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE. DENNIS, DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THE BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE, ROUGHLY, TIME STRUCTURE?
>> EXACT TIME. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT APPEARED SOMETIME BETWEEN 2023 AND 2024 FROM JUST LOOKING AT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND STREET VIEWS.
THE APPLICANT SAYS HE THINKS IT'S BEEN THERE ABOUT TWO YEARS IS WHAT HE STATED AT THE COMMISSION.
>> HOW DID WE FIND OUT IT WAS THERE?
>> CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS ADDRESSING AN ISSUE ON THE PROPERTY WITH REGARD TO AN OCCUPANCY AND SAW THE STRUCTURE AND BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN, SIR. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR BOTH ALL NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN THE MICROPHONE IS ALREADY ON?
>> IT'S GEORGE JOHNSON, IT'S 1947, EAST CONTINENTAL.
>> I'M NEIL JOHNSON JUST HERE TO HELP HIM WITH HEARING.
>> ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD AS FAR AS THE CONTAINER STRUCTURE AND YOUR OPTIONS FOR FIXING IT?
>> I'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY SINCE THE MID '90S, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME USE OUT OF IT.
I HAVE IT USED FOR STORAGE OF LAWN EQUIPMENT BECAUSE I MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY OWNED FROM TIMBER LINE TO WOODSY.
I TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT PROPERTY.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, AND LIKE I SAID, LIKE IT SAID THAT NOBODY'S EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANY WORDING OR COMMENTS ON IT.
I PAINTED AT THE DRAGON COLORS.
YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE IT BECAUSE IT BLENDS IN SO MUCH OF THE TREES.
YOU HAVE TO REALLY LOOK FOR IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHY NOBODY'S EVER COMPLAINED BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T STICK OUT.
I'M JUST NEEDING SOMETHING FOR A TEMPORARY USE UNTIL I COULD BUILD SOMETHING MORE.
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>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6C.
I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE SENT OUT 16 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO RESPONSES.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6C? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON 6C AND THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED?
>> YEAH. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.
DID WE HAVE A VIEW FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY LIKE? WHAT BORDERS THEM? DO WE HAVE OVERHEAD OR ANYTHING?
>> THAT WOULD PROBABLY DO WITH THE ONE, RIGHT THERE.
>> IT IS A MANUFACTURED HOME AT THAT LOCATION, MH ZONED.
>> HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO MOVE THIS THING?
>> HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO MOVE THIS THING FOUR FEET?
>> JUST PROBABLY NEED A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU COULD HOOK A TOE STRAP TO AND DRAG IT.
HAS THE CAPABILITY OF MOVING IT.
>> MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT IS, I'D LIKE TO HELP THE APPLICANT OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, NOT TO MAKE A BIG COMPLICATED PRODUCTION OUT OF THIS.
IF IT CAN BE MOVED THE FOUR FEET OFF OF THE SETBACK ON THE SOUTH BOUNDARY WITH SOME EVERGREENS THERE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF NICE VIEW, THAT SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE IDEA.
>> I LIKE THAT SOLUTION AS WELL.
I DROVE BY THERE AND LOOKED AT IT.
YOU CAN HARDLY SEE IT FROM TIMBER LINE.
AGAIN, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME BIG HEDGES IN THE BACK, THE PROPERTY SOUTH OF THAT.
PLANTING SOME CYPRESS OR SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THAT WOULD MORE THAN ADEQUATELY HIDE IT FROM THE STREET.
>> THAT'S HELPFUL. I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE HEDGES THERE BLOCKING IT FROM THAT ADJOINING PROPERTY VIEW.
HONESTLY, SOMETIME, WE HAVE ORDINANCES FOR A REASON, BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, AND IF THERE'S HEDGES ALREADY BLOCKING THE VIEW FROM THAT SIDE AND WE ASKED TO PUT SOME EVERGREENS UP TO BLOCK THE VIEW FROM CONTINENTAL, I'M ACTUALLY FINE LEAVING IT AS IT SITS.
BUT IT'S JUST ONE PERSON'S VOTE.
>> DID THE APPLICANT SAY DID YOU NEED TO COME BACK UP, SIR? DID YOU HAVE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
ALSO, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS TEMPORARY.
>> WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON REMOVING IT OR BUILDING A PERMANENT STRUCTURE FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT? WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON THAT?
>> THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?
>> YES. ACROSS THAT WHOLE FENCE LINE IN THE BACK ARE BUSHES THAT ARE ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALL AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THROUGH.
HOW DIFFICULT IT IS IT TO MOVE IT FOUR FEET? HOW HARD WOULD THAT BE?
>> IT WOULD BE TOO BAD. I CAN MOVE IT.
>> I COMPLETELY BLOCKED FROM MOBILE HOME.
YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL?
>> I THINK IT'S NOT INDIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S AROUND THERE.
IF IT'S SCREENED A LITTLE BIT AND REORIENTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE BOUNDARY AND THE SETBACK, I DON'T SEE THERE'S MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
MAYBE WE HAVE A SUNSET ON THE SEP IF HE THINKS IT'S THREE YEARS, MAYBE WE SAY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
ANY THOUGHTS? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON 6C.
>> YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6C, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-0 29Z 25-0038, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ACCESSORY BUILDING, A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 19:47 EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD.
CURRENT ZONING IS I1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER EIGHT.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25, 2025, AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 1, 2025.
NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING OPTION A, WHICH IS TO REORIENT THE STRUCTURE TO A MINIMUM 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SOUTH BOUNDARY, AND THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO INSTALL EVERGREEN FOLIAGE TO PROVIDE SCREENING FROM EAST CONTINENTAL BOULEVARD.
I WOULD NOTE THAT EVERGREEN FOLIAGE SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE THAT IT SHOULD BE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
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CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
[6.D.Ordinance No. 480-363A, ZA25-0041, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for The Clariden School on property described as Lot 7, Block 1, Clariden Ranch Phase Ill and located at 100 Clariden Ranch Rd. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ]
ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-363A, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0041, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE CLARIDEN SCHOOL, LOCATED AT 100 CLARIDEN RANCH ROAD, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE, INCLUSIVE OF SITE PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT 100 CLARIDEN RANCH ROAD.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT SP-2 ZONING IN PLACE ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS SEMI PUBLIC AND CURRENT ZONING SP-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN APPROVED UNDER THE CURRENT SP-2 ZONING.
THIS IS THE LAST SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDED ADDITION OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AUTHORIZED UNDER THAT CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SPORT COURT, WHICH WAS NOT SHOWN ON THE CURRENTLY APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN AND ZONING.
THIS IS A SITE PLAN SHOWING MORE SPECIFIC THE AREA OF THE COURT.
IT'S PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET OFF THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY AND A DETAIL OF THE PROPOSED COURT AREA, AND JUST A OVERLAY OF APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT IS ON A HORIZONTAL OR OVERHEAD PERSPECTIVE OF THE SITE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE COURT AND SURFACE TYPE THAT WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE.
ONCE AGAIN, STREET VIEW SHOWING APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT COURT WOULD BE FROM NORTHWEST CHAPEL.
>> LOOKING BACK TOWARDS NORTH WHITE CHAPEL.
WE'VE RECEIVED ONE UNDECIDED RESPONSE THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER AREA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0, NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS BEHIND THE COURT PRIOR TO COMING TO CITY COUNCIL AT YOUR FIRST READING.
THIS WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT 7-0 AT THE FIRST READING OF THIS ITEM ON AUGUST 19.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? SOMEONE FROM CLARITON? COME ON DOWN. IF YOU ALL COULD STATE YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN IT'S ALL YOURS.
>> YES. HI. MY NAME IS ROBERT RAMIREZ.
MY ADDRESS IS 2924 FOREST HILLS LANE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
>> [NOISE] MARK 1926 FAIRFIELD, THEN WITH THE CLARITIVE SCHOOL BOARD.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT PRESENTATION? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY?
>> IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S A SUPPORT COURT FOR THE SCHOOL FOR THE STUDENTS TO USE, AND IT'S GOT A SURFACE ON IT AS WELL TO HELP ADJUST THE TRACTION AND DRAINAGE CAPABILITY OF THE SLAB, SO THEY CAN USE IT RIGHT AFTER RAIN EFFECTIVELY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANTS?
>> YEAH. WAS THERE A DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS?
>> DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSION NEIGHBORS?
>> YES. SINCE THE LAST MEETING, [NOISE] OUR HEAD OF SCHOOL AND OUR SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT WENT TO EACH HOME ON THE NORTH-FACING STREET AND TRIED TO CONTACT ALL THE NEIGHBORS, AND IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO TALK TO THEM, THEY LEFT THE LETTER.
THERE WERE NO NEGATIVE RESPONSES.
>> ALL RIGHT. WILL THIS COUT BE LIT?
>> NO LIGHTING. SO IT WOULD NEVER BE USED IN AFTER EVENING HOURS. OKAY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? GO AHEAD.
>> REMIND ME WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO BE ON THAT SPOT?
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I KNOW BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL.ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT COURT? IT'S STRIPED FOR PICKLEBALL.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE A FENCE AROUND IT.
IS THAT PENDING, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE?
>> THERE'S A FENCE AROUND THE CAMPUS ITSELF AROUND THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT AROUND THE COURT ITSELF.
>> OKAY. THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING PICKLEBALL ACTIVITY.
IT MIGHT HAVE MORE RUNNING INVOLVED THAN PICKLEBALL.
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APPLICANTS? THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT.
>> ITEM 6D REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6D IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM.
SEEING NONE, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
WE SENT OUT 28 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, ONE RESPONSE FROM CHAD CHETELORE AT 3612 IRON MOUNTAIN RANCH COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WAS UNDECIDED, BUT BROUGHT UP SOME ISSUES REGARDING LET'S SEE.
AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN CHANGE, THE SITE PLAN SHOULD ADDRESS OPTING THE SITE'S HANDICAP ACCESS.
THE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS DO NOT MEET DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR HANDICAP ACCESS.
IS CHAD HERE BY ANY CHANCE? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL NOTE HIS COMMENTS FOR THE RECORD.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6D? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6D.
COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM?
>> IS THERE ANYTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM PUTTING LIGHTS IN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE?
>> I THINK THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION.
DENNIS, IF THEY WANTED TO LIGHT IT UP.
>> YES. THEY WOULD AT THE VERY MINIMUM, REQUIRE A PERMIT.
HOWEVER, SPORTS LIGHTING TYPICALLY REQUIRES HIGHER INTENSITY FOOT CANDLE THAN WHAT OUR ORDINANCE PERMITS.
SO THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED TO COME BEFORE P&Z AND COUNCIL TO ADDRESS SPORTS-TYPE LIGHTING THAT WOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE ENOUGH LIGHTING FOR NIGHTTIME PLAY.
>> I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION ANYWAY, COULDN'T WE? THIS DOES NOT APPROVE ANY FORM OF LIGHTING?
>> THAT CLEANS IT UP. THERE'S NEVER ANY QUESTION UNLESS THEY COME BACK.
>> THAT WOULD ELIMINATE ANY QUESTION. YES.
>> ALL RIGHT, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION ON 6D.
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6D, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-363A, ZA25-0041.
SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR THE CLARIDEN SCHOOL, ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 7 BLOCK 1, CLARIDEN RANCH, PHASE 3, LOCATED AT 100 CLARIDEN RANCH ROAD, CURRENT ZONING SP2, GENERALIZED SITE PLAN.
THIS IS REQUESTED ZONING SP2, GENERALIZED SITE PLAN.
THIS IS A SUBJECT OF THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 1, 2025.
NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING THIS ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED, AND NOTING AS WELL THAT THIS APPROVAL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY FORM OF LIGHTING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.THAT MOTION CARRIES 7-0, ITEM 6D, I THINK IT IS IS APPROVED.
SIX D FOR THE RECORD IS APPROVED.
CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT UP IS 6E.
[6.E.Ordinance No. 480-788A, ZA25-0042, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Pecan Creek Professional Center on property described as Lot 4, Block 1, Pecan Creek and located at 731 Zena Rucker Rd. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #9. PUBLIC HEARING ]
I THINK THERE'S A TYPO ON THE SCREEN.NEXT UP IS 6E, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-788A, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0042, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR PECAN CREEK PROFESSIONAL CENTER. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.
>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 731 ZENA RUCKER ROAD.
IT IS A PROPOSAL TO ADD A PERMITTED USE UNDER THE SP2 ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.
THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AND CURRENT ZONING SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
THE CURRENT ZONING FOLLOWS THE O1 OFFICE DISTRICT.
ZONING HAS A SET MINIMUM PARKING RATIO FOR ALL THE USES PERMITTED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING TO ADD A NON-MEDICAL SPA TYPE USE IN THE FACILITY, WHICH WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED UNDER THE I1 STANDARDS THAT IT'S MODELED AFTER.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING SOUTHWEST FROM ZENA RUCKER ROAD.
AND THIS IS THE CURRENTLY APPROVED SITE PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS TO ADD
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A NON-MEDICAL SPA USE AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.[NOISE] THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THE SITE.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN NOTIFICATIONS FROM THOSE WITHIN THE RESPONSE AREA.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0.
FIRST READING OF THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AT YOUR LAST MEETING? I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU, SIR. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ADDING THIS EXTRA USE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION OR BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION? ALL RIGHT.
ITEM 6E REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 6E.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON 6E? SEEING NONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION ON 6E? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE UP.
>> MAYOR COUNSEL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6E, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-788A, ZA25-0042.
SECOND READING: ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR PECAN CREEK PROFESSIONAL CENTER.
OUR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4, BLOCK 1, PECAN CREEK, AND LOCATED AT 731 ZENA RUCKER ROAD, CURRENT ZONING SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN, AND REQUESTING ZONING SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 9, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2, DATED AUGUST 1, 2025, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD, WE SENT OUT 18 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO RESPONSES.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
THAT MOTION CARRIES, 7-0 ITEM 6E IS APPROVED.
CONGRATULATIONS, GUYS. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
[6.F.Ordinance No. 480-835, ZA25-0043, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Southlake Classic Pet Retreat on property described as Lots 1 and 2, Murray's Subdivision and located at 1211 and 1213 Brumlow Ave. Current Zoning: “I-1” Light Industrial District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. PUBLIC HEARING ]
NEXT UP IS ITEM 6F, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-835, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0043.SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR SOUTHLAKE CLASSIC PET RETREAT. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1211 AND 1213 OLD BRUMLOW AVENUE.
THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS I1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AND THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A CHANGE OF ZONING TO SP1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE PERMITTED I1 DISTRICT USES AND REGULATIONS, BUT TO MAKE A LONG-RUNNING KENNEL THAT WAS PERMITTED AT THIS LOCATION LEGALLY TO BE A CONFORMING USE UNDER THE SP-1 ZONING.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS MIXED USE.
AS I MENTIONED, CURRENT ZONING IS I1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, PROPOSED ZONING IS SP1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT THAT WOULD ADD A KENNEL AS A PERMITTED USE, ALONG WITH THE CURRENT I1 ZONING DISTRICT USES AND REGULATIONS.
THIS IS CURRENT SITE EXHIBIT PROVIDED FOR THE SITE PLAN.
ALL IMPROVEMENTS ARE EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY THAT ARE SHOWN HERE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES NO NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE AS PART OF THIS DETAILED SITE PLAN ZONING AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION BEING PROCESSED.
THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, AND STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
PHOTO PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT OF THE CANINE YARD AREA.
THIS IS WHAT THE FACILITY LOOKED LIKE IN 2015, I BELIEVE, ABOUT THE TIME CURRENT OWNER TOOK OVER.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM ANYONE WITHIN OUR NOTIFICATION AREA ON THIS ITEM.
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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR AUGUST 1 MEETING 7-0 AS PRESENTED, AND THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AT YOUR LAST MEETING.I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON 6F?
>> YES, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
IS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING TO MAKE UPGRADES? IS THAT WHY THEY'RE HAVING TO COME TO GET THIS AS A CONFORMING USE BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY NON-CONFORMING BUT PERMITTED?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO, AND I MIGHT LET THEM EXPLAIN MORE TO IT.
I THINK IT'S MORE FOR LEGAL [NOISE] PURPOSES TO MAKE THE USE CONFORMING. I THINK IT'S A CONCERN.
IF IT BURNED DOWN, THAT THEY CAN REBUILD AT WHAT THEY HAVE.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S JUST TO CLEAN UP THE PAPERWORK.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 207 FRESH MEADOW, IN TROPHY CLUB, TEXAS, 76262.
>> ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT HERE, AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, I THINK HAD A QUESTION.
>> RIGHT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVE ZERO DESIRE TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S REALLY JUST CLEAN-UP OF MOVING OFF OF THE NON-CONFORMING.
THERE ARE A COUPLE SECTIONS WITHIN SECTION 6 OF THE NON-CONFORMING THAT MY ATTORNEYS WERE NOT THRILLED WITH.
I JUST WANT TO BE CONFORMING NOW.
>> FAIR ENOUGH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.
>> ITEM 6F REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6F.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6F.
COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU.
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER WE APPROVE ITEM 6F ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-835, ZA25-0043, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR SOUTHLAKE CLASSIC PET RETREAT ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 1 AND 2, MERC SUBDIVISION AND LOCATED AT 1211 AND 1213 BRUMLOW AVENUE, CURRENT ZONING I1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, REQUESTING ZONING SP1, DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
SPEND NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 8, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 1, 2025.
NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED.
I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT ITEM 6F HAD 28 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS SENT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO RESPONSES.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> ON THAT MOTION CARRIES 7-0.
ITEM 6F IS APPROVED, CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 6G, ORDINANCE NO.
[6.G.Ordinance No. 480-217A, ZA25-0046, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Scooters Superstore on property described as Lots 5 and 6R, Block 1, Mesco Addition and located at 2120 and 2150 E. S.H. 114. Current Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-2” Generalized Site Plan District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING ]
480-217A, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0046.SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR SCOOTER SUPERSTORE, DIRECTOR KILO.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2150 STATE HIGHWAY 114.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY, IS RETAIL COMMERCIAL.
LAND USE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS SP2, GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, AND INCLUDES FOR THIS A GASOLINE STATION WITH CAR WASH AND CONVENIENCE STORE AS A PERMITTED USE.
THIS IS AN AERIAL SITE SHOWING LOCATION OF SOME OUTDOOR SERVICE AREA FOR VACUUMING VEHICLES THAT WAS ADDED TO THE PROPERTY WITH NO PERMIT.
THE APPLICANTS HERE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR THOSE STRUCTURES AND USES AT THAT LOCATION.
THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING WEST AND A VIEW LOOKING NORTH.
ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING SOUTH, AND ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING SOUTH.
WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM ANYONE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
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THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0, ALSO ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER REMOVAL OF THE CANOPIES AND TO GROW THE HEDGES TALLER TO SCREEN THE VIEW OF THAT FROM KIMBALL AVENUE.THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. ANY QUESTIONS ON 6G? THANK YOU, SIR.
>> ACTUALLY, MAYOR, ONE QUICK QUESTION.
THAT AREA, WHERE THE EXISTING AIR PUMP IS, THE GREEN SPACE JUST BEYOND THAT, IT APPEARS TO BE INSIDE THE POWER LINE EASEMENT THERE.
>> WHICH, THIS ONE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT GREEN AREA OUT TO THE POWER POLES.
>> YES, I BELIEVE THEIR PROPERTY LINE GOES OUT PROBABLY IN THIS AREA, IN THAT CORNER.
>> PERFECT. I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THAT WHEN IT'S TIME.
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR DIRECTOR KILO? THANK YOU, SIR. THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> OMAR HAY, 801 CHAMPAGNE DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, 76092.
>> I THINK WE HAD A QUESTION OVER HERE.
>> YES. REGARDING THAT AREA THAT I WAS REFERENCING, FROM TIME TO TIME, I'LL HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, JUST SAYING HAZEL, SOMETHING THEY CAN DO, IT'S A PROMINENT CORNER RIGHT THERE TO ADDRESS THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU GET PLENTY OF SUNSHINE, PLENTY OF WATER.
WELL, SOMETIMES YOU GET PLENTY OF WATER.
COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT AREA AND PERHAPS BEAUTIFY? IT LOOKS LIKE, ESPECIALLY ON THE OVERHEAD IT'S ALMOST [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE ACTUALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT LAST TIME, I THINK, TOO.
WE'RE CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING TO THE CORNER TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT NICER, BETTER.
MAYBE DO SOME LANDSCAPING AND WORK TO IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF GRASS AREA UP FRONT.
>> I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO THAT FOR SURE.
>> THAT'D BE GREAT IF YOU WOULD. THANK YOU.
>> DEFINITE, THAT'S A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION WE'RE MAKING RIGHT NOW.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OR DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION?
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.
ITEM 6G REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6G.
ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON 6G.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6G.
COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM?
>> I KNOW P&Z HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THEM CONSIDER REMOVING THE CANOPIES.
I ACTUALLY, I THINK I COMMENTED THIS EITHER AT THE FIRST READING OR I GO TO SCOOTERS A LOT FOR GAS, AND THEIR AWESOME CAR WASH AND I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THE CANOPIES STUFF.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THAT INTRUSIVE, LIKE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THERE.
>> I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GROWING THE HEDGES.
THEY'RE IN LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT BEAUTIFYING THE AREA AROUND THE AIR PUMP.
I WOULD SAY IN ADDITION TO DOING SOMETHING TO THE AIR PUMP AREA IS TO GROW THAT HEDGE, SO IT DOES MASK THAT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE STREET.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I LIKE THE HEDGE IDEA.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY LOOK BETTER WITH THAT EXTRA COLOR IN THERE.
I THINK THAT I'D BE GREAT WITH THAT.
IT'S NOT MUCH SHADE FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S WORKING ON THEIR CAR RIGHT THERE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING.
>> YEAH, I LIKE THE CANOPIES AND THEY BOTH CAN EXIST THERE BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THE WAY THE SUN MOVES ACROSS THERE, THAT THOSE HEDGES ARE GETTING SUN, 80% OF THE DAY, EVEN WITH I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE VERY END OF THE DAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE GETTING SUN.
IT'D BE MORE OF A MATTER OF JUST WITH YOUR LANDSCAPERS LETTING THEM GROW TALLER.
>> WHAT YOU NEED FOR A MOTION?
>> MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE UP.
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6G ORDINANCE NO.
SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR SCOOTER SUPERSTORE, PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS FIVE AND 6R, BLOCK 1, MESCO EDITION, AND LOCATED AT 2120 AND 2150, EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114.
CURRENT ZONING IS SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN.
REQUESTED ZONING IS ALSO SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2, DATED AUGUST 1ST, 2025.
NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE PLAN IN ZONING CHANGE AS PRESENTED TONIGHT, AND NOTING THE APPLICANTS AGREEMENT TO GROW THE HEDGES TALLER TO PROVIDE BETTER SCREENING FOR THE VACUUM STATIONS,
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AND ALSO THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO CONSIDER UPGRADES AND BEAUTIFICATION TO I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF KIMBALL AND 114.>> I'LL ALSO NOTE FOR THE RECORD ON ITEM 6G, WE SENT OUT 14 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS, SO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO RESPONSES.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
[6.H.Ordinance No. 480-HHHHH, ZA25-0050, 2nd Reading, amendments to the City of Southlake Zoning Ordinance No. 480, as amended, specifically pertaining to Section 46, “Amendments to the Zoning Ordinance”. PUBLIC HEARING ]
>> NEXT IS ITEM 6H, ORDINANCE NO.
480-HHH, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0050.
SECOND READING, AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, ZONING ORDINANCE NO.
480 AS AMENDED, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO SECTION 46 AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. DIRECTOR KILO.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.
THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ADDRESS SOME LEGISLATION THAT THE STATE PASSED THAT AFFECTS OUR NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALSO PROTEST PROCEDURES INVOLVED WITH ZONING CHANGES THAT COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
THIS AMENDMENT ADDRESSES NONCONFORMING USE NOTIFICATIONS THAT THE LEGISLATURE ADOPTED TWO LEGISLATIVE PERIODS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT AND THE PAST LEGISLATIVE PERIOD PRIOR TO THE CURRENT.
THEN ALSO ADDRESSING REQUIREMENTS TO PLACE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE ON THE WEBSITE.
ALSO ADDRESS PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE PLACED OUT AT A CERTAIN SIZE ON PROPERTY.
THEN ONCE AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, ZONING PROTEST PROCEDURES.
UNDER NONCONFORMING USE NOTIFICATION IN THE CASE WHERE THE CITY ADOPTS NEW ZONING REGULATIONS THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE THE EFFECT OF MAKING A PROPERTY'S USE NONCONFORMING AS PART OF THAT ACTION.
AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS THE AMENDMENT THAT TOOK PLACE WITH TZD CHANGED REGULATIONS THAT PERTAINED TO TZDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED, IT REQUIRES THAT THE CITY PROVIDE EACH OWNER AND EVEN OCCUPANT OF A PROPERTY NOTICE THAT A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE MAY AFFECT YOUR USE OF THE PROPERTY.
FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WHERE WE HAVE SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONINGS THAT A POTENTIAL ZONING COMING THROUGH THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR HAS THE POTENTIAL OF MAKING A USE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THERE NOW NONCONFORMING.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTICE WITH THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AND FONT TO EACH TENANT WITHIN THE BUILDING.
EVERYBODY RENDERING BOTH REAL PROPERTY AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ON THE PROPERTY HAS TO RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION LETTER WITH THIS LANGUAGE ON IT.
WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE STATE LAW, BUT AS PART OF THIS AMENDMENT, WE'RE ADDING THIS INTO OUR OWN ZONING ORDINANCE JUST SO THAT IT'S FULLY CODIFIED WITHIN CURRENT ZONING PROCESSES.
ALSO, THIS AMENDMENT REQUIRES THAT WE ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER 15 DAYS BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE STATE LANGUAGE IS ACTUALLY BEFORE THE 15TH DAY BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NEW LEGISLATION ALSO REQUIRES THAT IT BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET IF THE CITY HAS AN INTERNET WEBSITE, WHICH WE DO.
THE AMENDMENT REQUIRES A PARTICULAR SIZE OF PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATION SIGN TO BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY.
TO THE LEFT IS OUR PREVIOUS UPDATED NOTIFICATION SIGNS.
THEY'RE ROUGHLY A 24 BY 18 INCH SIGN, THE STATE LAW DID NOT REQUIRE THIS TYPE OF SIGN POSTING OUR ORDINANCE DID.
IT DID NOT SPECIFY A SIZE, BUT IT DID REQUIRE THAT IT BE PUT IN PLACE AT LEAST 15 DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL.
WE AS A POLICY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN POSTING THESE SIGNS 10 DAYS BEFORE THE ACTUAL P&Z HEARING JUST SO THAT WE CAN CONFIRM THEY ARE OUT.
THE NEW LEGISLATION NOW REQUIRES THAT A 24 INCH TALL BY
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48 INCH WIDE SIGN BE PLACED IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AT P&Z, AND THAT SIGN REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THAT ACTION.WE HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THAT SIGN POSTING, AS OF TO DATE, IT WENT INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST, OF COURSE, BUT WE HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IT, AND THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE SIGN WE ARE NOW USING AND PUTTING IN PLACE.
THIS IS ONE BEING PUT OUT BY OUR FANTASTIC ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY.
ALSO THIS AMENDMENT CHANGES HOW PROTEST AFFECTS A ZONING REQUEST, IN PARTICULAR, WHERE THE REQUEST WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT GREATER THAN WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR.
IT ALSO HAS A PROVISION FOR USE OF FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT DO NOT EXCEED 35% OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
IT CHANGES THE OPPOSITION THRESHOLD COUNT.
PREVIOUSLY, A CITY COULD ADOPT A REQUIREMENT THAT IF OPPOSITION WAS FILED BY 20% OF THE PROPERTY OWNER SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY WITHIN A 200 FOOT BUFFER, AND OPPOSITION EXCEEDED 20% OF THAT AREA THAT WOULD INVOKE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WOULD IN OUR CASE, BE 6-7, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
THE NEW LEGISLATION NOW CHANGES THAT TO 60% AND CHANGES THE VOTE TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE RATHER THAN THE THREE FOURTH MAJORITY.
P&Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS 7-0 AT THEIR AUGUST 7TH MEETING, AND THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SIGN, CHANGE THE ONE THAT MUST BE POSTED IN THE EVENT OF A ZONING CHAIN? YES. YOU KEEP GOING NEAR THE BEGINNING, THE NONCONFORMING ONE.
>> YEAH, THAT RIGHT THERE. DEMONSTRATE SAYING THAT THE BOLD LANGUAGE, THAT'S LANGUAGE SET BY THE LEGISLATURE.
THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY ON THAT?
>> YES. I THINK IT HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY LIKE A 14 POINT FONT OF A CERTAIN FONT TYPE.
>> BUT THE WORDING THOUGH, IS WHAT?
>> THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, BUT I'M JUST GOING ON THE RECORD.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO COME UP WITH THE MOST POORLY WORDED WAY THAT YOU COULD DO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCURATE.
WHAT'S ACCURATE IS TO SAY THAT YOU MAY LOSE THE RIGHT TO UTILIZE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN HOW IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED.
TO SAY THAT YOU AND I CAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE USING YOUR PROPERTY FOR ITS CURRENT USE.
IN THE INSTANCE OF WHAT WE DID WITH OUR TZD WORK EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU WOULD HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALREADY NERVOUS ABOUT WHAT DID THAT MEAN? THEY WOULD BE SEEING SIGNS GOING, THIS MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOCK OUR HOUSE DOWN IF THIS PASSES, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST POORLY WORDED. I KNOW I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT I AT LEAST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
>> WELL, SAID, MAYOR PRO TEM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR DIRECTOR KILO?
>> CAN WE PUT A SIGN NEXT TO IT SAYING WHAT IT REALLY MEANS? [LAUGHTER]
>> EXACTLY. IT'S LIKE ON BALLOT MEASURES, WHEN YOU HAVE TO WORD THINGS CERTAIN WAYS OR TAX IMPLICATIONS.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE WORDED IN A CERTAIN WAY AS IF WE'RE ALMOST TRYING TO FIND THE MOST CONFUSING WAY TO WORD IT.
>> TELLING THAT IT IS A GOOD THING.
WE'LL HAVE A BIGGER AUDIENCE CAUSE MORE PEOPLE WILL COME IN.
>> JUST PUT AN ASTERS BY IT AND THEN HAVE A SIGN NEXT TO IT WITH AN ARROW SAYING, READ THIS.
I'M BEING FACETIOUS, BUT IT'S AUSTIN. WHAT CAN YOU SAY?
>> NOT COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS.
THANK YOU, DENNIS. APPRECIATE IT.
>> ITEM 6H REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6H.
ANYONE HERE WISHES TO HEAR WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM?
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GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED ON 6H.
COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS UNDER 6H? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. MOTION TIME.
>> YES, MAYOR, COUNCIL. I'M BEGRUDGINGLY MOVING THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6H, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-HHHHH, 5-0050, SECOND READING, AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 AS AMENDED, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO SECTION 46, AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025, AND THAT WE'RE APPROVING AS PRESENTED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
[Items 6.I & 6.J]
NEXT UP IS ITEM 6I.DENNIS, ARE WE TAKING 6I AND 6J TOGETHER OR SEPARATE?
>> YES. THEY WILL BE PRESENTED TOGETHER, JUST TAKE [OVERLAPPING].
>> 6I IS CASE NUMBER ZA25-0051, AND ITEM 6J IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-0030.
CASE NUMBER ZA25-0054, BOTH PERTAINING TO THE SEMA HEADQUARTERS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 380 SOUTH NOLEN DRIVE.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS MIXED USE, AND CURRENT ZONING IS S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT.
THIS IS SITE PLAN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THIS SITE.
THIS IS THE AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT THAT APPLICANTS PROPOSING ON THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
ON PHASE 1, THIS IS SOME LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND PAVING ENHANCEMENTS ON THE FRONT ENTRY OF THE BUILDING AND UNDER PHASE 2, IT INCLUDES A DETACHED OVERHEAD COVERED PAVILION FOR EMPLOYEE ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS.
A LITTLE BETTER DETAIL AND LABELING OF THE PHASE 1 IMPROVEMENTS, AND THIS IS ELEVATION OR RENDERING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
PHASE 2 INCLUDES SOME REVISION TO THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS THE COVERED PATIO AREA.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF THAT, AND THIS IS A PORTION OF THE PLAN SPECIFIC TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT BEING REQUESTED FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY TODAY.
THIS IS THE DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR PHASE 1 AND DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR PHASE 2.
WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM ANYONE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED 5-0 AT PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 21ST FOR THE SITE PLAN, AND THEN SAME APPROVAL OF 5-0 FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? LOOKS GOOD.
THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? YOU'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. ITEM 6I REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6I.
I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THE CITY SENT OUT 20 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS ON 6I TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO RESPONSES.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON 6I? I'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE CITY SENT OUT
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20 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH NO RESPONSES.IS ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6J? I'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON 6I AND 6J? WE'LL HAVE SEPARATE MOTIONS ON THOSE. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON.
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVED THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6I ZA25-0051, SITE PLAN FOR SEMA HEADQUARTERS ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4, BLOCK A, GMI, SOUTHLAKE ADDITION, AND LOCATED AT 380 SOUTH NOLEN DRIVE, CURRENT ZONING S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT, SPEND NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 8.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025, AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED AUGUST 15, 2025.
NOTE THAT WE'RE APPROVING AS PRESENTED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6J, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-030 ZA25-0054, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING FOR SEMA HEADQUARTERS ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 4, BLOCK A, GMI, SOUTHLAKE ADDITION, LOCATED AT 380 SOUTH NOLEN DRIVE, CURRENT ZONING S-P-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN, SPEND NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 8.
SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025, AND NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING AS PRESENTED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON 6J.
CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO SAVE 6K, 6L, AND 6M, REGARDING THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE TO THE END.
[7.B.Ordinance No. 480-836, ZA25-0035, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Development Plan for 1965 and 1975 N. White Chapel Blvd., on property described as Lot 2, Block A, and Lot 1, Block A, Thrasher Addition, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “R-PUD” Residential Planned Unit Development. SPIN Neighborhood #3. ]
ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-836, CASE NUMBER ZA25-0035, FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1965 AND 1975 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CHANGING PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS LOCATED AT 1975 AND 1965, NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.
THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE.
IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE COMMON OPEN SPACE STRIP, NORTH OF EAST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD AND LOCATED AT THAT NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS MIXED USE.
AS I MENTIONED, CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL.
THIS IS A STREET VIEW LOOKING EAST FROM WHITE CHAPEL.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE RPD REGULATIONS PERMIT IS WRITTEN TO PERMIT THE LESS THAN 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BUFFER LOTS THAT SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES ADJACENT TO SF 1A, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, WHICH ABUTS IT TO THE NORTH.
PD REGULATIONS ALSO SET A BUILDING SETBACK OF 20 FEET OFF OF THAT NORTH BOUNDARY LINE, AND 45 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL.
PD REGULATIONS ALSO ESTABLISH A COMMON AREA EASEMENT ALONG WITH A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD INSIDE OF LOT 1 AND LOT 4, AND THEN AN OPEN SPACE EASEMENT.
ALONG THE FRONT EDGE, 15 FEET IN DEPTH, ALONG THE CUL-DE-SAC FRONTAGE OF THE FOUR LOTS.
THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND TREE PRESERVATION PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF TREE PRESERVATION PLAN AS PERMITTED, WHICH IS PRESERVING 46% OF THE EXISTING 22% OF COVERAGE,
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A STANDARD ZONING CLASSIFICATION AS COMPARISON WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE 60%.THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY UTILITY PLAN.
APPLICANT WOULD BE EXTENDING SANITARY SEWER AS WELL AS WATER SERVICE TO ALL THE NEW LOTS.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES FROM ANYONE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL 4-1 AT THEIR AUGUST 21ST MEETING.
THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A SHORT VIDEO THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PRESENT, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO RUN THAT, AND THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND AFKIN IS HERE TO REPRESENT THE ITEM AS WELL.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH BEFORE WE SEE THE VIDEO? PLEASE HOLD ON A SECOND. GO AHEAD.
>> DENNIS, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO P&Z'S DENIAL AND THEN BACK UP TO THE HISTORY OF THIS BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE IN A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
BECAUSE I WAS REMEMBERING CORRIDOR, BUT IT WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION?
>> CORRECT. THIS IS A SLIDE OF THE CASE THAT WAS A REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE FROM THE AG TO SF 20 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED AT CITY COUNCIL.
>> PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID NOT FEEL THIS DIFFERED FROM THE SF 20 VERSION ENOUGH TO PASS THAT.
I THINK ONE COMMISSIONER DISSENTED WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY FELT LIKE THIS WAS MAYBE THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO DEVELOP THE TRACT OR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
>> DENNIS, A QUESTION FOR YOU.
HAS IT BEEN THOUGHT OF BEFORE ON RUNNING THE ROAD, I GUESS THERE'S NO NAME ON THE ROAD, BUT THAT ACCESS ROAD OFF OF KIRKWOOD NORTH UP INTO THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE FOR CAROLINE LISTED ON THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING PRECLUDING THEM FROM DOING IT?
>> THE OPEN SPACE ITSELF, THAT'S PART OF THE CAROLINE ZONING AND COUNTS TOWARDS ALL THE OPEN SPACE THAT THEY PROVIDED.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW DIRECT ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY OF KIRKWOOD.
>> THAT'S OUT BECAUSE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THAT ROADWAY AND ACTUALLY BRING THOSE LOTS UP TO CLOSE TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
BUT I GUESS IF THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT, THEN THEY CAN EXPLORE ON THEIR OWN.
>> NOT WITHOUT OPENING UP ZONING FORTH CAROLINE AND IN THIS CASE, PROBABLY INVOLVING HOA IN THAT PROCESS.
>> DENNIS, WHAT TRIGGERS IS IT THE DEPTH OF THE PROPERTY THAT TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR THE ROUNDABOUT? I KNOW THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
WHAT TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT? LOTS OF FIRE REQUIREMENTS, BASICALLY?
>> IT'S FIRE ACCESS AND JUST THE NEED TO ALLOW TRAFFIC TO HAVE A MEANS OF TURNING AROUND.
IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SATISFIED BY A HAMMERHEAD OR A DEVIATION FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MAYBE A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT THAT INCLUDED A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND POSSIBLY.
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? DO YOU WANT TO START THAT VIDEO OR IS THE APPLICANT GOING TO DO THAT?
>> I CAN START THAT AND HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP.
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>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON, DOWN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> MY NAME IS ASHER FAL KHAN, 1203, WEST SPRING LANE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
IF I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION OR THE VIDEO?
>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> ITEM 7B DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7B.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7B.
COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION ON 7B?
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT, HAD THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT PROCESSES TO COMBINING LOT 2 AND 3? I FEEL LIKE THE ROAD HAS TO COME THIS WAY BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT DIRECTOR KILO OUTLINED PREVIOUSLY.
YOU REALLY CAN'T COMBINE ONE AND TWO, FOUR AND THREE, BUT YOU COULD TWO AND THREE.
>> JUST DO TWO LOTS, YOU'RE SAYING?
>> THREE LOTS. THE LOTS, IT'S NOT EVEN.
IT'S TRIANGLE STUFF AND EVERYTHING AND THE EASEMENT TO MAKING TURN TO THE WHITE CHAPEL AND EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE TO BRING THE CURVE SACK A LITTLE BIT MORE FURTHER DOWN TO THE WHITE CHAPEL, THEN IT WILL BE LESS PARKING FOR ANYBODY WHO'S COMING IN SO IT WILL BE ENOUGH TO TURN AROUND AND EVERYTHING UP HERE.
WE TRY 3, 4, 05, AND EVEN TWO.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S TWO LOTS RIGHT NOW.
IF I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, I'LL BUILD TWO LOTS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S AN ODD POSITION.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS SO WE CANNOT MAKE IT.
AS I SAY, FROM KIRKWOOD, I WAS ASKING FOR THE REQUEST FROM THE CARLYN HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY.
CARLYN HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVE NO RECORD SO I CAN MAKE ACCESS FROM THERE FROM KIRKWOOD, BUT CITY SAY YOU CANNOT DO IT.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. THE HOMEOWNERS THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
I TALKED TO THEM BUT BECAUSE OF THE CITY REGULATION, SO I CANNOT DO THAT.
IT'S ONLY WAYS FROM THE WHITE CHAPEL.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE IS JUST THAT NUMBER OF LOTS AND THOSE LOT SIZES ARE A PROBLEM [OVERLAPPING] WHEN YOU TRIED TO MOVE THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
>> YES, IT'S TRIANGLE AND EVERYTHING IS NOT PERFECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE ALIGNED WITH MY ARCHITECT HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT I'M SPEAKING, SO WE TRIED MULTIPLE OPTIONS AND EVERYTHING, IT DIDN'T WORK IT OUT.
>> BUT TO COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS COMMENT, THOUGH, WE DO HAVE STREETS IN TOWN THAT ARE FOR THREE LOTS, THEY JUST DEAD END.
THEY DEAD END INTO THE LOT AT THE VERY END, AND YOU TURN IN ON THE TWO LOTS ON THE SIDES AND WE HAVE THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC.
IF YOU WENT WITH A STRAIGHT ROAD THERE, YOU CAN GET 30,000 ON THOSE.
>> YES, SO WHAT IS IT LIKE HOW MANY FEET? I DON'T KNOW THE CITY.
I'M NOT A TECHNICAL PERSON, BUT HOW MANY FEET FROM KIRKWOOD TO THE NEW STRAIGHT WE'RE BUILDING? HOW MANY FEET YOU HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM KIRKWOOD 100 FEET 150 FEET?
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKING DEPTH?
>> WHAT'S THE REGULATION ON THAT?
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKING DEPTH?
>> YEAH, THE DISTANCE THE DISTANCE FROM THE NEW STREET WE ARE TRYING TO THE WELDING FROM KIRKWOOD, SO IT WOULD BE LIKE MORE THAN 100 FEET.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT COMING OUT OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL.
>> IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT SHORTER BY DOING THAT.
>> NO, YOU JUST TAKE THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END.
YOU DON'T MAKE IT A CUL-DE-SAC.
>> QUITE FRANKLY, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE ROAD DEAD ENDS INTO IT, LOT ONE IS GOING TO GET BIGGER, LOT FOUR IS GOING TO GET BIGGER, AND THEN YOU COMBINE TWO AND THREE TO BE BIGGER BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY RIGHT AWAY FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.
>> YOU DON'T WANT ME TO BUILD ANY COVE SACK IN THERE?
>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
>> WELL, I THINK TO DENNIS' POINT, IF YOU EXPLORED A HAMMERHEAD OPTION THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY DO THAT AND GIVE YOU TWO LITTLE SIDE PIECES OF ROAD AND DIVIDE IT INTO THREE PROPERTIES, POTENTIALLY.
>> I THINK IT'S A THREE LOT SPACE.
IT'S A THREE LOT SPACE AND I AGREE WITH YOU WITH A CUL-DE-SAC,
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YOU CAN'T SHAPE LOTS LIKE THAT.I GET THAT. BUT IF YOU JUST MAKE THIS A STRAIGHT ROAD, THAT, YOU CAN AT THAT POINT, I'M PRETTY SURE.
>> AGAIN, REASON, SO HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE A TURN? THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
MY ARCHITECT IS NOT HERE TODAY, BUT THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC TO MAKE FOR FIRE AND [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME ROADS IN TOWN THAT DO NOT HAVE A ROUNDABOUT FOR FIRE.
>> THERE'S A GEOMETRY EQUATION TO MAKE THAT.
>> THE ARCHITECT CAN ANSWER SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IF ITS POSSIBLE SO I DON'T KNOW.
>> BECAUSE THEN I THINK YOU'D BE LEFT WITH A THIRD OF AN ACRE ON LOT ONE, A THIRD ON FOUR, AND THEN A GREATER THAN HALF ON TWO AND THREE.
>> TYPICALLY AND I'LL HAVE FIRE JUMP IN HERE WITH ME, ANY SECTION OF ROAD THAT'S GREATER THAN 150 FEET IN LENGTH FROM THE ADJOINING ROADWAY DOES REQUIRE THE TURNAROUND.
IF IT'S SHORTER THAN THAT, IT TYPICALLY DOES NOT.
WITH THE PUD, REGULATIONS COULD BE WRITTEN TO EITHER ALLOW FOR A PRIVATE ACCESS TO EACH OF THE LOTS AND POTENTIALLY GET EITHER TWO OF THE LOTS ADJACENT TO THAT UP TO THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET OR ACCOMMODATE A THREE LOT SCENARIO WITHOUT AS MUCH STREET BEING REQUIRED TO SERVE THOSE.
YES, IF THAT WAS REDUCED TO LESS THAN 150 FEET, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE TURNAROUND AT THE END OF IT.
>> I SEE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT FOLKS WERE HUDDLING SO I THINK THEY WANT TO ADD SOMETHING, GO AHEAD.
>> MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THANK YOU.
SO DIRECTOR KILO IS CORRECT, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD AND SO BECAUSE THIS ONE EXCEEDS 150 FOOT, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A TURNAROUND.
NOW, THIS IS ONLY ONE DESIGN OF MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TURNAROUNDS, AND HE MENTIONED A HAMMERHEAD DESIGN.
THERE'S A Y. THERE'S AN ALTERNATE HAMMERHEAD DESIGN, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT YOU HISTORICALLY SEE IS THIS TYPE OF CUL-DE-SAC.
>> DIRECTOR KILO, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW DEEP THAT IS NOW BECAUSE HE'S SAYING IF IT'S LESS THAN 150?
>> THE CENTER LINE IS I'M GUESSING RIGHT AROUND 215 FEET IN THAT RANGE IS FROM CENTER LINE OF THE ROADWAY FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE WEST OR EAST BOUNDARY OF KIRKWOOD.
>> SO YOU COULD EITHER MAKE LOT 2 AND 3 LARGER GOING WEST TO GET UNDER 150 FEET OR YOU COULD DO A HAMMERHEAD?
>> OR YOU COULD DO Y. WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FOR A Y-AXIS BACK IN THERE BECAUSE THEN IF YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH THREE LOTS, THEN IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
>> ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT?
>> YEAH. WELL, HE WOULD NEED TO.
>> SO ALL OF THEM DEPEND ON THE 150 FOOT.
ANYTHING OVER 150 FOOT, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE TURNAROUND AND THE Y-AXIS, IT'S USUALLY AT LEAST 60 FOOT EACH DIRECTION FOR THE Y.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> MY THOUGHT WAS ON THAT, THEN TWO AND THREE COULD COMBINE ON THE EAST SIDE.
THEN ONE GETS BIGGER WITHOUT THE BLANSKI BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL, AND YOU COULD END UP WITH THREE LOTS IN THERE THAT ACTUALLY MAY NOT LOOK THAT BAD.
BUT I'D PLAYED WITH THIS FOR 30 MINUTES AND PUTTING IN AN AUTO CAT.
I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT YOU JUST CAN'T DO FOUR ON THERE.
>> I DON'T MIND THREE LOTS BUT AGAIN, THERE'S THE OPTION IF I WANT TO DO IT, I CAN DO IT WITH THE CITY APPROVAL AND EVERYTHING.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE LEAVING ALMOST FROM THE WHITE CHAPEL TO 30 FEET OR 20 FEET LIKE THIS SPACE.
>> MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM AN INTERSECTION BETWEEN STREETS IS 125 FEET BY THE SUBDIVISION.
I THINK IS WHY HE'S ASKING A QUESTION.
>> I'M JUST ONE OF SEVEN, BUT MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION IS COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS FOR THREE LOT SCENARIO.
>> I'LL COME BACK WITH THREE LOTS [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT AT THREE.
>> I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD ON ITEM 7B, THE CITY SENT OUT 21 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS.
WE HAD ONE RESPONSE FROM ASIF HUSSAIN AT
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1821 RIVIERA LANE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION FOR 7G.COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 7G?
>> SHOULD WE MOVE TO TABLE, SINCE IT APPEARS THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH OTHER OPTIONS OR?
>> I MIGHT AS WELL TABLE IT BECAUSE SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DENY WHAT'S PRESENTED OR TABLE IT.
>> I THINK WE'RE ASKING HOW LONG DO YOU WANT TO TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING OR?
>> YES, I'LL BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE CAN TABLE IT.
>> IT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS. IF YOU WAIT TILL THE ONE AFTER THAT, IT'D BE FIVE WEEKS.
>> BUT THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PLANS IN ONE WEEK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THEM A WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING.
>> WE CAN MAKE IT IN TWO WEEKS, NO PROBLEM.
>> YOU COULD DO THE OCTOBER MEETING?
>> DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER?
>> DOES BNZ HAVE TO SEE THIS AGAIN?
>> WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS. YOUR REQUEST TO THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS.
>> YES, MAYOR COUNSEL. I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM 7B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-836ZA25-035 FIRST READING, AND THAT WE TABLE THIS TO THE 10/7/25 MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION TO TABLE CARRY 70 WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE IN OCTOBER.
NEXT, WE TOOK UP ITEM 8A ON CONSENT AGENDA.
[9.A. SV25-0006, Variances to the Conditional Sign Permit for 280 Sports Complex, located at 280 Commerce Street, Suite 105. ]
VARIANCES TO THE CONDITIONAL SIGN PERMIT FOR 280 SPORTS COMPLEX, LOCATED AT 280 COMMERCE STREET SUITE 105 HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, DIRECTOR KILO.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE YOU DESCRIBED AND SPECIFIC LOCATION WITHIN THE BUILDING FOR THIS TENANT, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED BOUNDARY THERE.
THIS IS PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION.
SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT BRINGING FORWARD OPTION WITH NO VARIANCES, AND THEN ANOTHER OPTION CHANGING THE LETTERING THAT THEY HAD PROPOSED TO THE BLACK LETTERING THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE MASTER SIGN PLAN.
THIS IS THE APPLICANTS PREFERRED OPTION ONE, WHICH HAS A BROWN LETTER AND MULTICOLOR LETTERS WITHIN THE STEAM TAG LINE OF THE SIGN, AS WELL AS COLOR WITHIN THE LOGO.
THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR THIS FACILITY REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE THESE BACKER PANELS BEHIND THE LETTERING OF THE SIGN JUST TO MINIMIZE PENETRATIONS IN THE BUILDING.
THE PREFERRED OPTION PROPOSES 31" LOGO, WHERE THE MAXIMUMS 18 INCH PERMITTED AND THE SIGN AREA IS 100.41 SQUARE FEET OR 43.4 SQUARE FEET IS PERMITTED.
THE MASH SIGN PLAN REQUIRES LETTERING BE BLACK AND THEY ARE PROPOSING INTER OPTION 1, COMBINATION OF BROWN FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE LETTERING WITH ORANGE, GREEN, YELLOW, AND BLUE, AND THE STEAM TAGLINE.
THIS IS OPTION 2, THE APPLICANT BROUGHT FORWARD, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN.
THIS IS OPTION 3, FOLLOWING THE SIGNBOARDS RECOMMENDATION, BRINGING ONE THAT HAD ALL BLACK LETTERING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REQUESTED COLOR ADDED TO THAT, IT'S THE SAME SIZE A OPTION 1.
THEN OPTION 4 IS BLACK LETTERING IN LINE WITH SIGNBOARDS RECOMMENDATION,
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BUT ALLOWS THE OWL TO HAVE A BROWN FACE TO THE LOGO RATHER THAN BLACK.THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE TENANTS LOCATION NOW AND JUST SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNS IN PLACE ON THE BUILDING.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. ANY QUESTIONS ON 9A?
>> CAN YOU JUST FLIP THROUGH ONE THROUGH FOUR REAL QUICK AGAIN LIKE AN EYE EXAM SO WE CAN SEE THE THEM.
>> WELL, SLOW DOWN JUST A MINUTE. HOLD ON.
GO BACK TO [OVERLAPPING]. THANK YOU.
>> OPTION 2, NO VARIANCE NEEDED.
OPTION 3, VARIANCE ON SIZE, AND THEN USE OF THE ORANGE, GREEN, YELLOW, BLUE COLORS AND THE STEAM LOGO.
OPTION 4 HAS SAME BLACK LETTERING JUST ALLOWS THE OWLS FACE TO BE DIFFERENT COLOR.
>> P&Z RECOMMENDED TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S PNC SIGNBOARD.
>> YEAH, I THINK THEY GENERALLY LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE BLACK LETTERING BUT ALLOWING THE COLOR DEVIATION.
I THINK IT IS WHERE SOME OF THE SENTIMENT WAS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO? THANK YOU, SIR. IT'S THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN.
>> IF YOU ALL COULD STATE YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD AND THEN TELL US ABOUT THE BUSINESS AND THE SIGNS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
>> KARLA ALEMAN, 113 [INAUDIBLE].
>> ELISA CAPRIGLIONE, 1352, TEN BAR TRL IN SOUTHLAKE.
I'M THE MARKETING DIRECTOR FOR SMART QUEST, AND CARLA'S OUR OWNER/DIRECTOR.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ARE OBVIOUSLY IN FAVOR OF OPTION 1, BUT WE WERE EXCITED THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING ALL GOT TOGETHER AND PITCHED IN WITH THEIR OWN IDEAS TO TO MAKE OUR SCHOOL AMAZING.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> ITEM 9A DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 9A.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 9A? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS?
>> FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE BROWN CALLS OUT TO ME BECAUSE IT'S ALIGNED WITH THE PAINT COLORS IN THE STONE.
I THINK BLACK'S GOING TO LOOK AT OF, ALTHOUGH IT PROBABLY ALIGNS WITH THE HARDWARE ON THE DOORS.
I THINK TO ME IT'S WHETHER WE WANT THE COLOR THERE OR WHATNOT.
BUT THIS IS A TUCKED TO WAY SPACE.
CAN BE HIDDEN BACK THERE, AND MANY OF US HAVE BEEN THAT PARKING LOT.
IT'S A TOUGH PARKING LOT TOO TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING IN THE ORIENTATION, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I COULD WRAP MY HEAD AROUND OPTION 1.
I THINK THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THERE, AND I THINK THAT YOU COULD EASILY END UP WITH VIRTUALLY EVERYONE ELSE IN THERE WANTING COLORED SIGNS.
I THINK THE OPTION 2 TO ME ACTUALLY LOOKS THE BEST.
>> I ACTUALLY PREFER A COMBINATION WITH THE THIRD ONE THAT'S GOT THE BLACK ON IT, BUT WITHOUT THE STEAM COLORS.
I DON'T MIND AHEAD, BUT I THINK THE MULTI COLORED STEAM PIECE IS TOO MUCH, AND I'D RATHER SEE IT BE AT A LITTLE MORE CONFORMING TO THE REST OF THE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING.
I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS BLACK.
THIS SHOULD BE BLACK AND PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT OTHER THAN THAT.
>> I'LL GO WITH OPTION 4 THEN.
I LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST IN THIS ACTUALLY.
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IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF KID INTEREST, AND I LIKE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR HONESTY.>> THE COLOR ON THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BUILDING, IT'S SO BUSY JUST WITHOUT THE SIGN WITH THE BRICKWORK.
ADDING THE COLOR TO IT, I THINK THE OTHER SIGN, I THINK TWO IS EASIER TO READ.
>> CAN YOU FLIP AT THE TWO AGAIN, DR. GABRIEL?
>> I WOULD BE OKAY WITH TWO ADDING THE OWL FOR YOUR INTEREST.
AND THAT MIGHT BUT I THINK THAT COLORED LETTERING JUST MAKES IT LOOK REALLY BUSY.
SO I LIKE TWO BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT SIZE, AND IF THEY CAN ADD AN L TO TWO, THEN THAT'S FINE WITH ME, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE COLORED LETTERING, AND I ALSO LIKE CONSISTENCY WITH THE OTHER SIGNS.
I KNOW HOW WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES ON THIS, BUT TWO TO ME IS TOO SMALL.
>> CAN YOU DO JUST A QUICK THREE AND FOUR?
>> I THINK YOU NEED TO ZOOM IN ON THE PICTURE, NUMBER TWO, LIKE, SHUTTED DOWN.
>> THAT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN THE OWL'S COLOR, RIGHT?
>> HOW ABOUT THE SIZE OF THREE, BUT STEAM AND NO COLOR ON STEAM AND LEAVE THE OWL?
>> I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. GET RID OF THE COLORED LETTERS AND STEAM. ALL BLACK LETTERS.
>> DENNIS, YOU BRIEFLY SHOWED THERE'S A LOT OF SIGNS ON THIS BUILDING IN TERMS OF CONFORMING TO THE HEIGHT AND AREA AND SO FORTH, ARE THOSE ALL CONFORMING OR ARE THERE SOME VARIANCES IN THOSE?
>> [INAUDIBLE] ALLOWS FOR GIVEN EACH OF THE SPACES.
>> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE YOU HAVE OF THE OTHER UNITS? YOU HAD A PICTURE OF THE BUILDING.
HERE WE GO. WHAT'S TO KEEP ALL OF THEM FROM COMING IN AND SAYING, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE TWICE THE SIZE OF SIGNS AND COLORS AND STUFF THINGS?
>> MOST OF THOSE SIGNS ARE FILLING THE SOUL MUSIC ONE IS NOT, BUT THE EMLER AND STUY GYMNASTS, YOU CAN'T GO ANY BIGGER.
>> THEY ARE ALL BLACK THOUGH, SO I RETRACT MY BROWN STATEMENT.
>> [LAUGHTER] WE LANDED IN OPTION 3, ALLOWING THE OWL, BUT NO COLORS?
>> THE EMLER SWIM SCHOOL ACTUALLY ESCAPE AND THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THAT'S PRETTY BIG ON THAT SPOT THERE.
>> I LIKE FOUR WITHOUT THE COLORED LETTERS, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE.
I THINK IT THREE? IS THREE. NO COLORED LETTERS, MAKE IT BLACK AND MAKE IT SMALLER.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.
>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SMALLER. THAT POSERS WON'T DO. I LIKE THAT SIZE.
>> I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON OPTION 3 WITH NO COLORED LETTERS AND STEAM.
I GUESS CHANTE MAY VOTE AGAINST IT, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE NO GREEN ON THE ALE ALSO? NO COLORS, ALL BLACK AND BROWN? [OVERLAPPING] SO IT'S AS PRESENTED EXCLUDING THE COLORS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GREEN ON THE HEAD OF THE OWL.
>> MAYBE REFERENCE TO LETTERS AND STEAM.
NO COLORS FOR THOSE, ALL BLACK, AND THE WHITES OF THE EYES.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> EVERYBODY'S A MOTION EXPERT TONIGHT.
>> HE'S ONLY BEEN DOING THIS FOR 12 YEARS, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WITH AN OWL FROM WHAT I RECALL.
>> IT IS UNIQUE. ARE WE READY? OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO HERE?
>> AIRPORT TEM WILLIAMSON. YOU'RE UP.
>> YES, MAYOR COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NINE A SV 25-0006,
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VARIANCES TO THE CONDITIONAL ASSIGNED PERMIT FOR 280 SPORTS COMPLEX, LOCATED AT 280 COMMERCE STREET SUITE ONE OH FIVE, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25, 2025, NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING OPTION 3 AS PRESENTED TONIGHT WITH A 31 INCH LOGO HEIGHT, 100.41 SQUARE FOOT SIGN AREA, AND ALLOWING BLACK LETTERS AND OWL, AND NOTING THAT NO COLOR IN STEAM, AND WE'RE APPROVING THE OWL AS PICTURED.>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? CAST YOUR VOTES.
THAT MOTION CARRY 7-0, ITEM 9A IS APPROVED.
CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS ALL FOR BEING HERE.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM 9B,
[9.B. SV25-0007, Sign Variances for Burger King, located at 125 N Kimball Avenue. ]
CASE NUMBER SV25-0007 SIGN VARIANCES FOR BURGER KING LOCATED AT 1:25 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. DIRECTOR KILLOUGH.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO GET APPROVAL FOR SOME SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT THE BURGER KING LOCATED ON NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, AS YOU DESCRIBED, 125 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE.
THE SIGNS ARE DRIVE THROUGH MENU BOARD SIGNS.
THIS IS A LOCATION SIGN BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 32, SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT BRINGING FORWARD AND SUBMITTING A CONFORMING SIGN APPLICATION FOR A STANDARD MENU MONUMENT SIGN AS PRESCRIBED IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
WHAT THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF IS A COVERED DIGITAL BOARD SIGN THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT HAD DISCOVERED HAD BEEN INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
THIS PARTICULAR SIGN TYPE IS NOT SPECIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE AND INCLUDES ELIMINATED CANOPY FOR RAIN COVER, 46 INCH DISPLAY AND WITH AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF JUST UNDER 10 FEET AND A WIDTH OF APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IS THE MENU BOARD SIGN ADJACENT TO IT WAS ALTERED FROM ITS PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED NON CONFORMING STATE, SO IT IS ALSO INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS VARIANCE.
THE SIGN BASE IS THE ONLY COMPONENT THAT APPEARS TO PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN EXISTED IN EXISTENCE THAT WAS AUTHORIZED UNDER A PREVIOUS VERSION OF OUR SIGN ORDINANCE.
CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE REQUIRES THIS TYPE SIGN TO BE CLAD AND MASONRY MEET THE MINIMUM HEIGHT AND AREA REGULATIONS FOR A MENU BOARD SIGN UNDER THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED ATTEMPTING TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE PLAN OR THE SIGNBOARD ON THIS ITEM, A CONFORMING SIGN.
IT DOES PLACE A BRICK FRAMING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SIGN.
EACH SIDE OF THE BRICK FRAMING ON TOP OF THE PEDESTAL IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT INCHES IN WIDTH, HOWEVER, THE UPPER SECTION IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR INCHES IN WIDTH AND IT DOES NOT COMPLETELY CLAD THE MENU BOARD STRUCTURE AND PEDESTAL THAT THAT IS SITTING ON.
THIS IS THEIR OPTION 2 THEY ARE PROPOSING.
THE OPTION 3, THEY'RE PROPOSING, VERY SIMILAR TO OPTION 2, HOWEVER, IT EXTENDS THE WIDTH OF THAT FRAMING AND FURTHER SEPARATES THE SIX INCH CLADDING REQUIRED AROUND THE ACTUAL SIGN FACE OF THE MENU BOARD.
THESE ARE SOME HISTORICAL PHOTOS.
THIS IS WHAT THAT PARTICULAR MENU BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY LOOKED LIKE,
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WHICH WAS GIVEN A PERMIT UNDER ONE OF OUR OLDER VERSIONS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE.THIS IS AFTER THE MENU BOARD WAS REPLACED, WHICH WE FIND NO RECORD OF A PERMIT HAVING BEEN RECEIVED TO REPLACE THAT, SO AKIN HAS ALSO INCLUDED THAT IN THEIR REQUEST.
SPEAKER BOX HAS BEEN REMOVED IN PLACE OF THE DIGITAL COVERED MENU AND ORDER BOARD.
THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF EXISTING SIGNS AND THEN THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED DETAIL OF THE SIGN.
WHERE ARE WE GOING? HERE WE GO. SO THAT'S ALREADY THAT'S RIGHT NOW?
>> THE RED RECTANGLE ON THE LEFT, THAT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT, CORRECT?
>> THE APPLICATION IS TO APPROVE THAT RETROACTIVELY AS IS?
>> TO PROVE THAT NON CONFORMING RETROACTIVELY, AND THEN THE NEXT IS THE OPTIONS AROUND LEAVING THE GREATER SIGN THE WAY IT IS OR ADDING MASONRY TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS?
>> CORRECT. THE SECOND PART OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE PREVIOUSLY LEGAL NON CONFORMING MONUMENT MENU BOARD TO EXIST AS IT'S BEEN ALTERED, AND THE OTHER OPTIONS ARE TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MORE CONFORMING MASONRY FRAMED MENU BOARD SIGN AS DIRECTED BY SIGNBOARD.
>> IN THAT SECOND OPTION, I WAS CONFUSED, THE ONE THAT WAS BROADER. I SEE THAT ONE.
THAT MAKES ONE COMPACT STRUCTURE AROUND THAT SIGN.
THE NEXT ONE THOUGH, HAD IT FURTHER OUT AND HIGHER.
WHAT IS THAT TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE?
>> I'D HAVE TO DEFER WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
>> BUT CAN YOU SEE THROUGH? IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH A BRICK?
>> [OVERLAPPING] TO INCORPORATE WINGS.
THE WINGS THAT GO ON SOME OF THESE BOARDS.
MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN DO THAT.
>> THEY HAVE NOT INDICATED ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT APPEARS ON THIS PLAN SHEET TO US.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DR. KILLOUGH AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, SIR. THE APP HERE.
COME ON DOWN. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> HI. HOW ARE YOU GUYS? I'M [INAUDIBLE] 3801, VITRUVIAN WAY AND ADDISON.
YOUR QUESTION ON THE SECOND OPTION.
COULD YOU GO BACK, PLEASE? SO THAT ONE.
THEY TOLD ME TO LOOK AT THE OTHER FAST FOOD CHAINS THAT WERE CLOSE TO HERE AND THE FIRST ONE THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS MCDONALD, SO I LOOKED AT THAT ONE, AND THAT'S WHY THAT WAS OUR FIRST REQUEST.
BUT THEN WHEN TALKING TO CHANTE, HE TOLD ME, NO, IT HAS TO BE WELL, THE SURFACE AREA IS TOO BIG AND THE MASERY HAS TO BE CLOSER.
THAT'S WHEN WE WENT TO THE OTHER-
>> THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST OPTION AND THAT WAS OUR OPTION 2.
WITH THAT, IT'S THE MASERY SURROUNDING ALL OF THE SIGNBOARD, AND AS WELL, WE COULD ALSO COVER THE BOTTOM PART ALUMINUM AS THE SAME MATERIAL THAT IT IS.
THE ONLY THING IS THAT WE NEED THE BACK PART.
IT OPEN IN ORDER TO ANY ELECTRICAL DETAILS WITH THE SIGN BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
>> I'D BE CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THAT TOP.
WE DEFINITELY OPTION 2, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT AT ALL, BUT OPTION 2 IS GOING TO BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO FRAME THAT.
WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL, AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FIRST OPTION BECAUSE STRUCTURALLY IT MADE THE MOST SENSE.
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BUT THEN CHANTE TOLD US THAT THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.ACTUALLY THAT MCDONALD'S HAD REQUESTED A SPECIAL ORDER TO HAVE A SIGNED MENU BOARD LIKE THAT.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT, BUT WE CAN DO IT.
>> I HAVE THE MASONRY TOUCHING THE TOP OF THIS VIDEO BOARD OR THE SIGN.
THERE'S A SPACE THERE IN BETWEEN IT, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. YOU WANT THAT COVERED UP UNTIL THE SCREEN?
>> MAYBE WHAT COUNSEL MR. TAGGART IS TALKING.
>> YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU PUT BRICK RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPOS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH 773 AND THREE QUARTERS.
THE OTHER ONE FOR SURE WOULD BE TOUGH, YOU'D END UP WITH A SAG.
MAYBE YOU CAN DO IT. I DON'T KNOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE BETTER JUST TO FRAME THE WHOLE SIGN IN, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, WITH NO SPACE AT THE TOP.
>> THE BRICKS DON'T JUST COLLAPSE IN THE MIDDLE.
WELL, THEN, WOULD WE HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER REQUEST TO DO THAT, OR?
>> NOW WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE MOTION IF WE DECIDED TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
>> I THINK PRO TEM WILLIAMSON ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ORDERING SCREEN.
>> I THOUGHT YOU DID. ABOUT SOMETHING RED OR SOMETHING?
>> IF HE DOESN'T I WILL. I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE HUGE VIDEO SCREEN IF YOU HAVE THE MENU BOARD RIGHT NEXT TO IT?
>> FIRST OF ALL, IS THE CANOPY.
IT WOULDN'T USUALLY GO THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN OR THE WEATHER INVOLVEMENT, SO WHETHER IT'S RAINING OR IT'S REALLY SUNNY.
THAT'S ONE, AND THE OTHER THING IS ALSO TO PROMOTE NEW ITEMS, AND ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ORDERING CAN SEE THEIR ORDER ON THE SCREEN.
>> IS THERE A SCREEN ON THE NEW BOARD THERE TOO? BECAUSE IT SAYS IT WAS SAMSUNG, SOMETHING OR OTHER.
ON THE NEW ONE. I WOULD ASSUME SAMSUNG IS THE VIDEO BOARD. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
>> OH, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. THERE IS A SCREEN.
>> THAT LOOKS PRETTY PROMOTIONAL TO ME, WHICH YOU'RE FULLY LOADED FOR SANDWICH BREAKFAST.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YOU'VE JUST GOT A TON OF SIGNS HERE THAT WERE PUT UP BASICALLY WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL THAT NOW, WE'RE FORCED TO LOOK AT AND SAY, HOW DO WE FIX THIS AND NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS? I GUESS.
>> YEAH, WHEN INSTALLING IT, I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WAS THOUGHT OF, WEATHER CONDITIONS, AND ALSO JUST SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE ORDERING IT, IT COULD JUST BE EASIER TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE ORDERING.
>> IS THE VIDEO SCREEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE? THAT'S JUST TO CONFIRM THE ORDER.
YOU'LL SEE THE ORDER COME UP ON THERE.
>> YEAH. ALSO ANY NEW MEALS OR ANY NEW PROMOTION.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT COVERED AREA IS WHERE THE DRIVER WOULD BE IS UNDER THERE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD THROUGH THEIR WINDSHIELD AT THIS BROADER MENU BOARD, AND THAT THEY CAN SEE THEIR ORDER BEING PLACED ON THIS ONE AND YOU CAN MARK IT DIGITALLY AND ALL THAT THE MICROPHONES GOING TO BE IN THAT FIRST ONE AS WELL, CORRECT?
>> THE SECOND ONE IS NOTHING BUT IT'S AN ADVERTISEMENT.
IT'S AN OLD FASHIONED DRIVE THROUGH BOARD.
>> YEAH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE FOOD.
>> IT HAS NO ELECTRONIC PURPOSE.
>> DENNIS, THE ORDER SCREEN THAT SHOWS YOU YOUR ORDER, IS THAT IN COMPLIANCE?
>> DO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL? CAN I SEE THE PROPOSAL FOR THE VIDEO SCREEN TO BRING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE? OR THEY IGNORE THAT?
>> THIS WOULD ONLY GET THE MENU BOARD IN COMPLIANCE, BUT NOT THE ORDER SCREEN?
>> THERE USED TO BE THE ABILITY TO ORDER THROUGH THE MENU BOARD, AND NOW THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT.
THE AUDIO IS GONE, OR CAN YOU STILL DO THAT?
WHERE THE SCREEN IS, THERE USED TO BE A SPEAKER.
>> YEAH. NOW IT'S THE DIGITAL CANOPY MENU BOARD.
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>> I HATE SPENDING MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT BURGER KING IS A HUGE CORPORATION, MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION.
WHY WOULD THEY NOT HAVE JUST REPLACED THE OLD MENU BOARD WITH A STATE OF THE ART DIGITAL BOARD, LIKE YOU DID RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, VISION A REALLY SMALL VERSION.
WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST MAKE A REALLY NICE BIG BOARD LIKE YOU'VE REFERENCED MCDONALD'S? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU WOULD LEAD THE OLD MENU BOARD ON AN OLD PEDESTAL AND THEN INSTALL AN ATM MACHINE LOOKING ON BEFORE IT.
>> RANDY, I THINK IT IS VIDEO.
THEY AREN'T GOING OUT THERE AND CHANGING THE PLASTIC OUT.
>> I KNOW THAT'S VIDEO. I'M SAYING, WHY WOULDN'T THEY JUST TORN OUT THE OLD ONE AND BUILT A REALLY NICE SIZED BIG ONE BOARD THAT YOU GO TO?
>> I REALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW.
ALL I WAS TOLD WAS ABOUT THE CANOPY AND ABOUT THE DIGITAL MENU BOARD AND AS WELL AS THE MANSORY SURROUNDING THE MENU BOARD SIGN.
WHEN IT COMES TO REMODELS, I THINK I COULD ANSWER THAT BY SAYING, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SPEAKER, SO THEY DECIDED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND PUT THE CANOPY, AND I'M GUESSING THERE WASN'T ANY PROBLEM WITH THE MENU BOARD.
THAT'S WHY THEY DECIDED NOT TO CHANGE IT.
>> BURGER KING CORPORATION PROBABLY HAS A RECOMMENDATION OF A ONE SIZE SIGN, I WOULD ASSUME, THAT WOULD HAVE THE MENU ITEMS ON IT THAT YOU GUYS COULD THEN CHANGE, AND THEN PLACE THE ORDERS THROUGH.
BECAUSE I KNOW MOST OF THE OTHER FAST FOOD FRANCHISES HAVE SOME CHOICE LIKE THAT.
>> HERE'S AN APPROVED TYPE OF SIGN INSTEAD OF WHAT'S THERE.
>> YEAH, TOTALLY. WHEN REMODELS ARE DONE, THERE'S USUALLY A SCOPE OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETED.
BUT BEFORE THAT, IF IT'S JUST MINOR CHANGES IN THE STORE, THEN ONLY THAT SPECIFIC THING WILL BE CHANGED, NOT THE WHOLE RE IMAGING OF THE STORE.
I'M GUESSING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER A REMODEL, OR I GUESS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M JUST SPEAKING HERE WITHOUT THINKING.
THE SPEAKER HAD A PROBLEM, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DECIDED TO JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL TAKE IT DOWN AND WE'LL ADD THIS NEW ONE, AND THE MENU BOARD DIDN'T, SO IT JUST STAYED LIKE THAT.
>> WELL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MENU.
THEY GOT TO HAVE A MENU. THE OTHER ONE IS NOT GOING TO ACCOMMODATE A MENU.
WE COULD ASK THEM TO START ALL OVER AGAIN AND BUILD A BIG ONE AND CERTAIN NEEDS BURGER KING AND THEY PROBABLY COULD AFFORD IT, BUT I HATE TO PUT THAT KIND OF EXPENSE.
I THINK AT MINIMUM, THEY'VE GOT TO FULLY ENCAPSULATE THE MENU BOARD OR THE ENTIRE AREA WOULD NEED TO BE MASONRY, AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR DIGITAL BOARD SHORT OF IT.
EITHER THAT OR THEY HAVE TO TEAR IT ALL OUT BECAUSE THE SMALL ONES ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ORDERS AND SHOW THEIR MENU ITEMS. THERE'S NO ROOM.
>> BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO ALL THE TROUBLE TO GET THE MENU BOARD IN COMPLIANCE, THEN WE'RE LEAVING SOMETHING RIGHT NEXT TO IT OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
I THINK WE NEED TO ASK THEM TO GET IT RIGHT BY OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, BOTH PARTS OF IT.
BECAUSE THEY PUT THIS UP WITHOUT CONSIDERATION, AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T DO IT.
WITHOUT CONSIDERATION TO OUR RULES OR REGULATION, THEY'VE CREATED A PROBLEM FOR THEMSELVES.
I'M BECOMING UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST PUT SIGNS UP RANDOMLY AND FORGET THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS, CONVENIENTLY OR NOT.
THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT OURS.
MY PERSONAL THOUGHT IS THAT THE NON CONFORMING SIGNS SHOULD BE REMOVED.
THE OTHER SIGNS SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, FIX THE SPEAKER, AND THEN THEY COULD COME IN WITH A PROPOSAL ON REPLACING THAT SIGN AT SOME POINT.
THAT WOULD JUST BE MY TWO SENSE.
>> YOU'RE THE ARCHITECT, RIGHT?
>> PROJECT MANAGER. BUT THIRD PARTY, YOU'RE NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF BURGER KING.
>> YEAH. IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPERATIONS OF IT.
MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION IS, SOUTHLAKE STANDARDS PRETTY HIGH IN OUR OPINION, AND WE WANT IT TO BE HIGH, AND WE HOPE THAT IT STAYS HIGH.
IN MY VIEW, IT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE JUST DOING BAND AID APPROACHES TO
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FIX A PROBLEM AND THEN COME BACK AND ASK FOR PERMISSION LATER.NO BLAMING YOU. BUT I THINK THEY CAN JUST DO BETTER AND RETHINK IT IN TOTALITY, IN MY OPINION.
>> I GET THAT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS IF WE WOULD TAKE DOWN THE CANOPY AND THE SCREEN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE DRIVE ABOUT 80% OF OUR SALES, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
>> WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TO SHUT DOWN IF THE SPEAKER WAS REPAIRED? IF THE SPEAKER IS REPAIRED, WHY WOULD IT HAVE TO SHUT DOWN?
>> YOU WOULD NEED TO ADD A NEW ONE, SO YOU WOULD NEED TO TAKE IT ALL DOWN AND CLOSE IT DRIVE THROUGH AREA.
>> MY THOUGHT IS THAT YOU HAVE IT ALREADY TO GO.
I DON'T WANT TO SHUT YOU DOWN AND I WANT YOU NOT TO LOSE BUSINESS, BUT I'M SURE THEY HAVE A PROCESS WHEN THEY DO A REMODEL FOR HOW THEY GET THIS STUFF IN, AND SO WE DON'T ELIMINATE IT AND TELL YOU HAVE THE NEXT OPTION IN PLACE.
BUT IN A TIMELY MANNER, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US AN OPTION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT, AS COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS SAYS, THAT MEETS OUR STANDARDS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SUGGESTING THAT WE TEAR IT OUT, AND THEN WHENEVER YOU GET IT BACK.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
I'M SUGGESTING DO IT QUICKLY, BUT CHANGE IT OUT.
>> IT'S NOT CONFORMING AT THIS POINT.
MAYBE THERE IS A GRACE PERIOD OF ALLOWING OPERATION UNTIL SOMETHING'S DONE, BUT A PRETTY ABBREVIATED GRACE PERIOD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE WORDED OR LEGALLY HANDLED.
>> HONESTLY, I THINK YOU SHOULD TABLE AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE THING.
>> BECAUSE TO ME, YOU'VE GOT A NON CONFORMING SIGN ON THE LEFT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CONFORMING OPTION FOR YOU.
WE CAN'T EVEN SAY, GO MAKE THAT CONFORMING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION, CORRECT? YOU NEED TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT PUTS A MASONRY MONUMENT THERE THAT ENCOMPASSES YOUR DIGITAL SIGN, YOUR MENU BOARD, AND AS A CANOPY COVER THAT LOOKS REASONABLE AND PRESENTABLE.
>> IF BURGER KING HAS A STANDARD THAT THEY'RE ROLLING OUT IN NEW STORES, AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR STANDARD IS, PRESENT THAT.
>> I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT BURGER KING HAS A LARGER SIGN THAT MEETS ALL OF THESE STANDARDS, AND HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE TO TAKE THIS OUT AND PUT THAT IN IS PROBABLY NOT A VERY LONG PROCESS.
>> AFTER ALL THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TABLE UNTIL, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED? DO YOU NEED MORE THAN A WEEK OR?
>> WE'LL PUT YOU INTO OCTOBER 7TH, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST OCTOBER MEETING.
>> PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS ONE FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO OCTOBER 7TH.
>> YES, MAYOR. COUNSEL, MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM 9B SV25-0007 SIGNED VARIANCE FOR BURGER KING, LOCATED AT 1:25 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE TABLE UNTIL OCTOBER 7TH, 2025.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
THAT MOTION TO TABLE CARRY 70.
WE'LL SEE YOU BACK HERE IN OCTOBER. THANK YOU.
>> WE ALREADY TABLED ITEM 9C DURING CONSENT AGENDA, SO NEXT UP IS ITEM 9D.
[9.D. Approve ZA25-0053, Plat Showing for Lots 19 and 20, H. Decker No. 438 Addition, on property legally described as Tract 1B04K1 and 1B04K2A, H. Decker Survey Abstract No. 438 and located at 1207 and 1209 Woodsey Ct., City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas. Current Zoning: “MH” Manufactured Housing District. SPIN Neighborhood #8. ]
WHICH IS CASE NUMBER Z 825-0053 PLAT SHOWING FOR LOTS 19 AND 20 AT 1207 AND 1209 WOOD Z COURT.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO PLAT TWO TRACTS OF LAND, CURRENTLY ZONED MH MANUFACTURED HOUSING DISTRICT UNDER A TWO LOT PLAT SHOWING TYPE PLAT APPLICATION PROCESS.
THIS IS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE TWO TRACKS.
THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE ON THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED MH MANUFACTURED HOUSING DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAT SHOWING THAT WOULD FORMALIZE THE TRACK BOUNDARIES OF THESE TWO MH TRACKS.
AS PART OF THIS, OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES WHEN A PROPERTY IS PLATTED UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS THAT THE LOTS ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK UNDER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE
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INSTALLED PRIOR TO COMPLETION OR FINAL INSPECTION OF ANY NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY.THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THAT JUST GIVEN THE CHARACTER OF WOODSEY COURT.
I'LL RUN THROUGH SOME PHOTOS, AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO PROVIDED SEVERAL EXHIBITS AND BACKGROUND PROVIDING A JUSTIFICATION FOR THEIR REQUEST.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 50, AND NOTING THAT THE FUNDS FOR A FUTURE SIDEWALK BE ESCROWED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION AND THAT THAT BE DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
JUST HISTORICALLY, THESE THREE TRACKS HERE RECENTLY DONE UNDER SINGLE LOT PLATS, CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AND WERE GRANTED SIDEWALK VARIANCES.
>> THE APPLICANT PROVIDED EXHIBIT OF A HISTORIC PLATTED LOTS ON THE PROPERTY AS INDICATED THAT THERE'S BEEN NO SIDEWALKS CONSTRUCTED.
I MIGHT CLARIFY SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS.
PRIOR TO OCTOBER OF 2017, TRACKS THAT WERE ALONG A STREET OF THIS TYPE THAT DID NOT SPECIFICALLY HAVE A PATHWAY OR SIDEWALK IDENTIFIED ON OUR ADOPTED PATHWAY PLAN, WERE EXEMPTED FROM REQUIRING SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF PLATS HERE THAT WERE DONE PRIOR TO OCTOBER 17, SO A SIDEWALK WAS NOT REQUIRED.
THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED FOLLOWING A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE ELIMINATE THE EXEMPTIONS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PROVIDED FOR SIDEWALKS, AND THAT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A REASON WHY YOU SEE MORE VARIANCES IN PARTICULAR ON STREETS THAT ARE MORE RURAL AND THEIR CHARACTER WITH NO CURVES AND ASPHALT BARDITCH TYPE CROSS SECTIONS.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON 9D? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR 9D? 9D? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN.
>> AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN GALBEVSKI, OF BRITAIN CRAWFORD LINE SERVING 3908 SOUTH FREEWAY FORT WORTH 76110.
>> ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION WE JUST HEARD?
>> MAYBE JUST A LITTLE DETAIL THAT THAT STREET IS A DEAD END STREET SO THE SIDEWALK WOULD BASICALLY JUST SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET.
NO, PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC OR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
IT'S DEAD END ON THE SOUTH END.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU. ITEM 9D DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 9D.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 9D? SE NONE I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION ON 9D? MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON.
>> I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH NO ESCROW REQUIRED ON THIS.
>> WHATEVER WAS DONE BEFORE, YEAH.
>> MY COUNCIL MOVE, WE APPROVE ITEM 9D, APPROVE ZA 25-0053 PLATE SHOWING FOR LOTS 19 AND 20, H DECKER, NUMBER 438 EDITION ON PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1B04K1 AND 1B04K2A, H DECKER SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 438.
LOCATED AT 1207 AND 1209 WOODSY COURT, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, CURRENT ZONING, MANUFACTURED HOUSING DISTRICT, SPIN NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 8.
SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED AUGUST 25TH, 2025, IN THE PLAT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2, DATED AUGUST 21ST, 2025, AND WE'RE APPROVING A VARIANCE TO THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT AND ALSO NOTING THAT WE WILL NOT BE REQUIRING ESCROW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF ANY FUTURE SIDEWALK.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM 6K, 6L, AND 6M.
DOES ANYONE NEED BATHROOM BREAKS OR DRINK BREAKS? FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE BUDGET AND THE TAX STUFF.
WE'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER AND TO TAKE US HOME ON ITEM 6K, 6L AND 6M.
[Items 6.K - 6.M]
WE'LL START OFF WITH CITY MANAGER ALISON ORTOWSKI.>> YES, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
TONIGHT, WE BEGIN THE FORMAL PHASE OF THE BUDGET CONSIDERATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.
ON YOUR SLIDE, YOU SEE THAT TONIGHT'S AGENDA HAS THREE ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE FIRST BEING THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FISCAL YEAR 2025 SOUTHLAKE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT OPERATING BUDGET, ALONG WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2026 OPERATING BUDGET.
ITEM 6L IS YOUR FIRST READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE TAX LEVY ORDINANCE, AND THEN ITEM 6M IS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FY 2025 BUDGET, ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED 2026 BUDGET.
ALL THREE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
TONIGHT, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SHARON JACKSON WILL PRESENT DETAILS ON EACH OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING TO FOLLOW.
>> BEGINNING WITH ITEM 6K, THE CRIME CONTROL PREVENTION DISTRICT, THIS BUDGET ACCOUNTS FOR THE VOTER APPROVED 18 CENT SALE TAX USED FOR CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THE GOVERNMENT BODY TO SPECIFICALLY APPROVE THE CCPD BUDGET AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING SEPARATELY THEN WITH THE OTHER BUDGET ITEMS. HIGHLIGHTS OF THE FUND ARE SHOWN ON THE SLIDE.
THIS BUDGET SUPPORTS THE SRO AND ENSURES THE SRO PROGRAM AND ENSURES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THE MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED.
THE ENDING FUND BALANCE IS PHYSICALLY SOLID AT JUST OVER 5.4 MILLION.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET SUPPORTS THE VOTERS DIRECTION WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON CRIME CONTROL BEFORE MOVING TO ITEM 6L.
>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM ON THE CRIME CONTROL PREVENTION DISTRICT BUDGET? THAT WAS EASY?
>> YES. NOW, TO 6L, THE ORDINANCE 12 95, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING OF THE TAX LEVY ORDINANCE.
THE 26 BUDGET PROPOSES REDUCING THE PROPERTY BY $0.01 FROM 0.305-295, AGAIN, WHICH IS A $0.01 TAX RATE REDUCTION.
FOR THIS CITY, THIS REPRESENTS A REVENUE REDUCTION OF JUST UNDER 1.4 MILLION.
THIS IS A DELIBERATE CHOICE REFLECTING OUR ONGOING COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE TAX RELIEF WHENEVER POSSIBLE WHILE CONTINUING TO FUND ESSENTIAL SERVICES.
AS THIS RATE REDUCTION IS JUST ONE PART OF THE RELIEF WE PROVIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO OFFER THE 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH REDUCES THE TAXABLE VALUE OF OUR AVERAGE HOME IN SOUTHLAKE BY 223,000.
THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF NEARLY A SIX CENT TAX RATE REDUCTION FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.
COMBINED WITH THE OTHER EXEMPTIONS FOR SENIORS AND DISABLED RESIDENTS, THE CITY'S EFFECTIVE TAX RATE FOR RESIDENTS IS 0.236 REDUCING REVENUE TO THE CITY BY JUST OVER 6.3 MILLION EACH YEAR.
THESE CHOICES ARE A DIRECT REFLECTION OF OUR PHILOSOPHY OF EASING THE BURDEN OF OUR RESIDENTS ON OUR RESIDENTS WHILE KEEPING SERVICES STRONG.
WHEN YOU COMBINE OUR RATE REDUCTIONS AND EXEMPTIONS, THE FULL PICTURE OF THE TAX RELIEF BECOMES VERY CLEAR.
THIS CHART SHOWS THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX BILL, HOW IT'S DISTRIBUTED BY ALL THE TAX AND ENTITIES.
FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, THE AVERAGE VALUE HOME WILL PAY ABOUT 2,700 IN CITY PROPERTY TAXES WHICH REPRESENTS JUST ABOUT 14% OF THE OVERALL TOTAL PROPERTY TAX BILL WITH MAJORITY GOING TO SCHOOLS AND OTHER TAX AND JURISDICTIONS.
IT SHOWS THAT THE CITY DELIVERS A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICES WHILE REPRESENTING A RELATIVELY SMALL PORTION OF THE OVERALL BILL.
AND WE'VE WORKED CONSISTENTLY HARD TO KEEP THAT AVERAGE BILL CONSISTENT OVER TIME.
THIS CHART SHOWS THE STABILITY OF THE AVERAGE CITY PROPERTY TAX BILL OVER THE LAST DECADE.
DESPITE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES AND RISING SERVICE DEMANDS, THE AVERAGE ANNUAL BILL HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY CONSISTENT
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BETWEEN 2400 AND $2700 OVER THIS DECADE.THIS IS THE 15TH TAX RELIEF MEASURE ADOPTED SINCE 2009, REINFORCING THE CITY'S LONGSTANDING COMMITMENT TO DISCIPLINE FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP AND AFFORDABILITY.
ALTOGETHER, SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS BENEFIT FROM A COMBINATION OF TAX RATE REDUCTION, THE $0.01 TAX RATE REDUCTION, THE 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND AN EXEMPTION FOR DISABLED AND OVER 65, AND ALSO THE SENIOR TAX FREEZE.
TAKEN TOGETHER, THESE MEASURES DEMONSTRATE THE CITY'S CONSISTENT COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING RELIEF OR MAINTAINING FINANCIAL STRENGTH.
THE TAX RATE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, AS WELL AS DEBT.
IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, WE ARE TRANSFERRING 17.1 MILLION IN CASH TO SUPPORT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS DEMONSTRATES A STRONG COMMITMENT TO PAY SO GO FUNDING.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE WILL BE COUPLING THAT WITH CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WE NEEDED, BUT IN A VERY DISCIPLINED WAY USING SHORTER AMATIZATION TO CONTROL LONG TERM COST.
THIS APPROACH ALLOWS US TO KEEP UP WITH INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WITHOUT OVERBURDENING THE FUTURE TAXPAYERS.
CURRENTLY 100% OF THE CITY'S OUTSTANDING PROPERTY TAX DEBT WILL BE PAID OFF IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS, PROBABLY CLOSER TO SEVEN YEARS.
OUR DEBT AS A PERCENTAGE OF ASSESSED VALUE IS JUST 0.23%, FAR BELOW OUR FINANCIAL POLICY OF A MAXIMUM OF 2%.
THIS IS A REMARKABLE POSITION THAT UNDERSCORE SOUTHLAKE'S COMMITMENT TO FISCAL BEEN FISCALLY DISCIPLINED.
BY COUPLING CASH FUNDING WITH LIMITED STRATEGIC DEBT, WE CAN INVEST IN OUR FUTURE WHILE PRESERVING FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY.
BEFORE MOVING TO THE BUDGET, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE TAX RATE.
MOVING TO ITEM 6M, ORDINANCE 12 96, THE FIRST READING OF THE REVISING THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL OF 2026.
THE 26 BUDGET IS THE PRIMARY FINANCIAL DOCUMENT FOR THE CITY.
WITH YOUR APPROVAL, BUDGETED FUNDS WILL BE USED TO IMPLEMENT COUNCIL POLICY AS WELL AS PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR.
IN ADDITION TO APPROVING THE BUDGET IN THE COMING YEAR AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THIS ITEM WILL ALSO REVISE THE BUDGET NUMBERS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.
THE BUDGET ALSO LAYS OUT THE CASH TRANSFERS THAT WILL BE USED TO PAY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
AS YOU CONSIDER THE BUDGET, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT IT REPRESENTS AN ACCUMULATION OF SEVERAL FUNDS, MANY WITH SPECIFIC REVENUE STREAMS AND PURPOSES.
THESE FUNDS MAKE UP THE TOTAL BUDGET AND MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO DELIVER THE VARIETY OF SERVICES EXPECTED BY OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE CITY'S STRATEGY MAP WHICH SERVES AS A VISUAL ANCHOR FOR HOW WE CONNECT RESOURCES TO OUTCOMES.
EVERY BUDGET DECISION TIES BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, VISION OF THE COUNCIL'S ADOPTED PRIORITIES.
FUNDING CHOICES ARE MADE WITHIN THE CITY STRATEGIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WHICH CASCADES DOWN INTO EACH DEPARTMENT STRATEGIES.
THE RESULT IS THAT EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND ADVANCES THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS IN A VERY DELIBERATE AND MEASURABLE WAY.
TO ENSURE THAT DISCIPLINE AND CONSISTENCY YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE ALSO USE A SET OF FINANCIAL GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT HAS SERVED THE CITY VERY WELL UP TO THIS POINT.
WITH THE ADOPTION IN THE PRESENTATION OF FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET, THE SAME GUIDING PRINCIPLES WITH THE CORNERSTONE OF DEVELOPING THE BUDGET.
THEY SERVE AS OUR FRAMEWORK FOR DISCIPLINE DECISION MAKING.
THEY INCLUDE TAX RELIEF, CASH FUNDING, AND DEBT MANAGEMENT.
MANAGED EXPENDITURE GROWTH, OPTIMUM FUND BALANCE AND RESERVES, AND ALSO INVESTING IN OUR WORKFORCE, LONG RANGE, SUSTAINABILITY, AS WELL AS MAINTAINING SERVICE LEVELS.
EVEN WITH FISCAL PRESSURES, THE 26 PROPOSED BUDGET PROTECTS CORE SERVICES.
IT PRIORITIZES KEY INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND QUALITY OF LIFE PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS ENSURING THAT OUR RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE A SOFT STANDARD.
THIS IS A RESULT OF DISCIPLINE MANAGEMENT.
WE CAN PROVIDE RELIEF, INVEST IN PEOPLE, AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND STILL DELIVER EXCEPTIONAL SERVICES.
THE 26 PROPOSED BUDGET SUSTAINS EXCELLENT, SAFEGUARDS THE FUTURE, AND DELIVERS ON SOUTHLAKE'S COMMITMENTS.
AS WE'VE PREVIOUSLY SAID, DECISIONS TODAY IMPACT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY.
IT HOLDS EVERY FINANCIAL GUIDING PRINCIPLE, ADVANCES THE CITY, COUNCIL'S LONG TERM PRIORITIES, AND PRESERVES SOUTHLAKE'S TRADITION OF FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP.
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MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT SUSTAINS SERVICE EXCELLENCE TODAY WHILE SAFEGUARDING IT FOR THE FUTURE.GUIDED BY STRATEGY AND FOCUSED ON SERVICE, THE 26 PROPOSED BUDGET REFLECTS THE VALUES AND DISCIPLINE THAT HAVE MADE SOUTHLAKE FINANCIALLY SOUND UP TO THIS POINT.
INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY'S BUDGET MAY BE FOUND ONLINE AS WELL AS IN THE PUBLIC LIBRARY AND DOING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WERE EVENING AND AS WELL AS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR JACKSON.
BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, KUDOS AGAIN TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM ON ANOTHER OUTSTANDING BUDGET.
I KNOW THAT INCLUDES ALISON ORTOWSKI, AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AND EVERYONE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK. I KNOW IT'S BASICALLY A YEAR ROUND JOB.
IT'S LIKE GETTING READY FOR CHRISTMAS.
AS SOON AS IT'S DONE, YOU TAKE MAYBE ONE DAY OFF AND START OVER AND GET BACK TO IT, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.
YOU GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS SINCE IT WAS FILED ON AUGUST 15TH, THERE'S ALWAYS INTERESTING NUGGETS OF INFORMATION FROM THE GRAPHICS OR THE CHARTS AND THE TEXT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JUMP OUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RATE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'LL HAVE TONIGHT.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE THE FIFTH LOWEST TAX RATE OF ALL THE CITIES HERE IN THE DFW METROPLEX.
WE MAY BE DROPPING DOWN TO FOURTH OR THIRD.
THERE'S ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IS PROPOSING TO INCREASE THEIR PROPERTY TAX RATE THIS YEAR.
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE.
WE'D ONLY BE BEHIND UNIVERSITY PARK AND GRAPEVINE, WHICH OF COURSE, HAS THE AIRPORT.
I'M PROUD OF OUR RECORD 15 PROPERTY TAX RELIEF MEASURES, SIX YEARS IN A ROW OF THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS OUTSTANDING.
I THINK WE'VE KNOWN ALL ALONG.
RANDY AND I AND KATHY CAME ON IN 2020 WHEN WE STARTED THAT, WE KNEW THAT THERE MIGHT BE A YEAR WHERE IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN FOR WHATEVER REASONS.
WE HAD COVID, WE HAVE INFLATION, WE HAVE SOME BIG EXPENDITURES WE'RE MAKING ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE LIKE. BUT I'M PROUD OF OUR RECORD.
I'M PROUD OF THIS BUDGET AND WHERE WE'RE AT.
I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE BUDGET THE PAY DOWN OF DEBT BY 62% OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THIS YEAR, WE CASH FUNDING, $17 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
WE'RE DOING LESS WE'RE DOING MORE WITH LESS BY WE'RE GOING TO BE DOWN FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.
WE WON'T HAVE THE SAME NUMBER.
WE'LL BE GOING DOWN IN THAT NUMBER.
IT'S A KUDOS TO OUR TEAM TO FIND WAYS TO KEEP DELIVERING THOSE SERVICES WITH LESS EMPLOYEES.
THAT PROBABLY REFLECTS WHERE THE CITY'S AT THAT WE'RE NOT GROWING, UNLESS WE COME UP WITH ANOTHER PICKLE BALL TYPE THING WHERE WE'RE ADDING FULL TIME EMPLOYEES FOR SOMETHING THAT I'D NEVER EVEN HEARD OF FIVE OR SO YEARS AGO.
WE'RE PROBABLY LEVELING OFF AS FAR AS GROWING THE BUSINESS AND GROWING THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE COUNT.
I THINK WE'RE IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR EITHER SHARON OR ALLISON OR ANYONE ELSE REGARDING THE BUDGET, THE TAX RATE, AND ALSO ON THE CRIME CONTROL PREVENTION DISTRICT BUDGET. RANDY GO AHEAD.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS THIS YEAR LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE CUT THE RATE BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE FOR SIX YEARS RUNNING, AND ACTUALLY I'M PROUD OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS DICE THAT HAVE SIT UP THIS YEAR AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
UNLIKE EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA THAT THEIR COSTS HAVE GONE UP AND THEY'VE GOTTEN RAISES OR THEY'VE GONE TO THEIR BOSSES AND GOT MORE MONEY OR FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WE AS A CITY HAVE CONTINUED TO STAY AT THAT RATE FOR SO LONG WITHOUT ANY RAISES.
BUT YET, OUR CITIZENS EXPECT THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.
LIKE YOU JUST SAID, STAFF HAS FOUND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'VE HAD THAT EITHER RETIRED OR RESIGNED OR QUIT THEIR JOB, THAT WE DIDN'T FILL THAT SPOT.
WE ABSORBED THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THAT.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT OUR STAFF PROVIDES TAKES MORE MONEY THAN IT DOES IN IRVING OR LOST CLENANS OR ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.
I THINK THAT HAVING A COUNSEL THAT CAN STAND UP AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, WE WOULD LOVE TO CUT IT BY $0.05.
WE'D LOVE TO BE IT $0.20, BUT IT'S JUST NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
IT'S NOT BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GIVEN OR THE RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE TO THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE.
I THINK THAT I'M PROUD THAT IT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD MONTHS TO DISCUSS THIS AND LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, BUT I'M PROUD OF EVERYBODY THAT'S MADE THE DECISION AND KNOW THAT WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AND WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO SOMETIMES.
>> I KNOW I'M JUST ONE PERSON, AND SO I'M HERE JUST TO GIVE MY OPINION, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THE VOTES AND STUFF AND AGREE OR AGREE TO DISAGREE ON SOME THINGS, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL,
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I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THIS.I FEEL THAT WE'RE A LITTLE RUSHED ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I THINK THAT 0.295 WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I ALSO FEEL AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AND I LOOK AT A NUMBER OF ITEMS, THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO ACTUALLY PUSH THAT NUMBER DOWN TO NO NEW REVENUE.
I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYBODY ON SOME OF THOSE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT, AND IF WE CAN DO IT, WE SHOULD DO IT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
>> I'M CURIOUS, WHAT CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO-AND-A-HALF MONTHS, BECAUSE FOR TWO MONTHS, WE'VE SAID, WE CAN'T DO IT.
NOW TONIGHT, YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT, THAT'S INTRIGUING TO ME.
>> WELL, I THINK WE GOT THE ACTUAL PROPOSED BUDGET TWO WEEKS AGO.
THERE'S THAT, I WASN'T HERE ON AUGUST THE 5TH, SO I APOLOGIZE, I WAS OUT THEN, OR ELSE I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GIVEN SOME THOUGHTS ON IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BUT SINCE I'VE HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH THE 300 PAGES OR WHATEVER IT IS IN TWO WEEKS.
I JUST SEE SOME ITEMS IN THERE THAT STRIKE MY EYE. THAT'S JUST AGAIN.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF THINGS MIGHT BE CUT OR MIGHT BE CHANGED.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT RATHER THAN OFFLINE.
WE HAVE TWO HEARINGS ON THIS, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO ON THE SECOND READING, WE CAN DO IT THEN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT I FEEL STRONGLY WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET, AS WE ALWAYS DO IN PUBLIC AND WHETHER IT'S TONIGHT OR IN TWO WEEKS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT HOWEVER, IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY IDEAS?
>> I JUST THROW A COUPLE OF THINGS OUT THERE.
AGAIN, WE'RE A COUNCIL OF SEVEN PEOPLE.
I'M GOING TO HAVE THE VIEW THAT I'M GOING TO LOOK AT IT.
YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE A VIEW THAT YOU LOOK AT IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO AGREE WITH ME ON SOME THINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH ME ON SOME THINGS.
BUT WE HAVE SOME CITY SERVICES THAT HAVEN'T HAD PRICE INCREASES IN A VERY LONG TIME, ONE OF WHICH, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE ON THE WATER BILLS, THE STORMWATER PORTION OF IT HASN'T CHANGED SINCE 2006.
THE MARK HAS NEVER HAD A CHANGE.
THERE ARE CITY SERVICES THAT WE'RE NOT RECOUPING WHAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET FOR SERVICES THAT ARE ACTUALLY USED BY RESIDENTS.
THE CITY EATS IT SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE PAY TO EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS GREAT, AND THEY DESERVE PAY INCREASES, BUT NO INCREASES IN ANYTHING ELSE.
I SEE CSCD SERVICE IT HASN'T CHANGED IN ALMOST 20 YEARS, THEN THAT STRIKES MY EYE.
ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE THERE ARE SOME CIPS THAT I THINK THAT WE COULD LOOK AT CLOSER, AND I'VE ASKED FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WHERE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE.
IF WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGET AND WE WANT TO HAVE THE CIPS THAT HAD THINGS INCLUDED IN THEM THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED, THEN WE CAN REDUCE THE RATE THERE.
THE OTHER ONE, WHICH STRUCK MY EYE OVER THE WEEKEND WAS OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE RATIO COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER CITIES ON THE BENCHMARK STUDIES THAT WE HAVE, THAT FT RATIO IS ONE EMPLOYEE PER 74 RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.
OUT OF THE, I DON'T HAVE IT OPEN RIGHT NOW, BUT SHARON, YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL US ROUGHLY HOW MANY, IF IT'S 15 OR 20 CITIES THAT ARE IN THAT, BUT THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST RATIO OF FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES OF EVERY CITY ON THAT PAGE.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE'RE AT ONE EMPLOYEE FOR 74.
NOW, THAT SIX PERSON DIFFERENCE IS $3 MILLION ROUGHLY IN A YEAR OF EXTRA SALARIES TO THE CITY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE NEED, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITIES LIKE HIGHLAND PARK, FARMERS BRANCH, COLLEYVILLE, GRAPEVINE, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD CITIES TOO.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE WAYS THERE WOULD BE WAYS OF LOOKING AT THAT CLOSER FOR ANY PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED.
INSTEAD OF US THROWING MONEY AT IT AND JUST SIMPLY SAYING, "HEY, MAN, LET'S JUST RAISE THE RATE A LITTLE BIT, AND NOW WE CAN DO ALL THIS STUFF.
I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY SAY, "ALL RIGHT.
WELL, LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT.
WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHAT'S NOT NEEDED? CAN WE THIRD PARTY CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE CITY?" I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M RIGHT NOW.
>> WELL, I THINK ON THAT, LOOKING AT THAT CHART, NOT ALL OF THOSE CITIES PROVIDE THE SRO PROGRAM THAT WE DO,
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AND THE CITY PAYS FOR THAT 100%.WE DON'T PUSH THAT ON TO CID, SO IN SOME INSTANCES, WE MAY BE TALKING APPLES TO ORANGES.
NOT EVERY CITY HAS THE RECREATION CENTER, OR PICKLE BALL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF CITY WE ARE AS FAR AS THE SRO PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE, SRO THAT'S TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT THERE.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CUTTING, THAT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR ME.
IF WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT CUTS TO EMPLOYEE COUNTS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OR I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT.
THAT DISTINGUISHES US FROM OTHER CITIES.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, "WELL, LET'S CUT SOME EMPLOYEES." THEN WE STILL NEED TO DRILL DOWN DEEPER BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LINES IN THE SAND, I THINK THAT PEOPLE ON THIS BIAS ARE GOING TO HAVE, AS FAR AS WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT AND THAT'S FAIR TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.
I KNOW ALLISON AND SHARON HAVE DONE THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO BE DOWN FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES GOING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS JUST BROUGHT UP CERTAIN THINGS COME OPEN FROM RETIREMENTS OR PEOPLE LEAVING TO GO TO OTHER CITIES, AND WE DON'T FILL THOSE SPOTS.
WE SEE, "HEY, DO WE REALLY NEED TO REFILL THAT?" SOMETIMES WE DO, SOMETIMES WE DON'T.
OR WE COULD BRING IN SOMEONE NEWER WHO MAYBE STARTS AT A LOWER SALARY AND WE SAVE A FEW DOLLARS THERE, BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
THE SRO THING CAME TO MIND BECAUSE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT CCPD AND SO, NOT EVERY CITY PROVIDES THAT TO THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS ON.
I'M NEVER GOING TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT TOUCHES THAT.
BUT I'VE DONE MOST OF THE TALKING, AND SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE ELSE.
>> THE SROS, THOUGH, THAT DOES NOT COME OUT OF PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE EIGHT CENT SALES TAX.
>> I KNOW IT'S GOING TO INCREASE BECAUSE WE'VE ADDED SROS.
BUT I'M NOT, AND I'LL LET CHUCK TAGGART SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, BUT I AGREE THAT I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT PROPORTION OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE.
WITHOUT TOUCHING FIRE AND POLICE.
I THINK IT'S UNFAIR JUST TO SIGNAL THAT OUT AND SAY, "WELL WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT SROS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
I KNOW EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY OUT OF GENERAL BUDGET OR OUT OF A PROPERTY TAXES.
BUT RIGHT NOW, SROS ARE PRIMARILY FUND FROM THE TIF AND SALES TAX, THE ONE HAS DEDICATED SALES TAX TO CRIME PREVENTION.
TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON SAID, WE LEANED TOWARD THE TAX RATE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT THAT WASN'T A FINAL DECISION, AND I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS A FINAL DECISION.
THAT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY PART, OR MAYBE I DIDN'T COMMUNICATE, BUT I WANTED TO SEE MORE BEFORE I COMMITTED TO THE NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, THERE ARE PLACES THAT WE HAVE MONEY, AND CAN IT BE USED DIFFERENTLY? I'M INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S MY TWO CENTS BECAUSE I'M NOT READY TO GO BEYOND A NO-NEW-REVENUE RATE.
>> I WOULD GO AND ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION WE ASKED CHUCK.
BECAUSE FROM A CHUCKS ANSWER, WHAT I GET IS SHELL GAME POLITICS.
YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE STORMWATER CHARGE.
YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO CHARGE RESIDENTS MORE FOR ONE THING SO THAT YOU CAN CUT THE TAX RATE ON ANOTHER SIDE?
>> WE DO THAT NOW. SOMEONE WHO WAS [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S THE SAME THING, IF SOMEONE HAS A BIGGER HOUSE OR MORE PROPERTY, IT'S A HIGHER TAX THAN IF THEY HAVE A SMALLER HOUSE.
WHAT IF THERE'S SOMEONE IN A SMALL HOUSE THAT HAS FIVE KIDS AND THEY HAVE TO DO TONS OF [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE GOING TO END UP PAYING MORE THAN SOMEONE ELSE?
>> WE'RE NOT COMMUNIST RUSSIA.
>> IF SOMEONE WHO USES WATER TO WATER THEIR GRASS SIGNIFICANTLY, SHOULD PAY A HIGHER STORMWATER CHARGE BECAUSE IT'S PUTTING MORE WATER INTO OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET LOOKED AT AS WELL.
THE MORE YOU WATER YOUR GRASS, THE MORE YOU PAY IN WATER, YOU SHOULD PAY MORE IN OTHER CHARGES AS WELL.
THAT'S ALL IT IS. NO DIFFERENT BUT THAT'S NOT GIVING FREE.
WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILY THAT HAS A BUNCH OF KIDS AND FAMILIES, AND THEY WANT TO GO TO THE MARK.
DO WE MAKE IT FREE FOR EVERYBODY, OR DO WE HAVE THE MARK SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF AND DOES A GREAT JOB DOING THAT.
BUT WHY IS IT THAT THE MARK IS WE NEED $0.71 BACK ON OUR DOLLAR OR $0.70? WHY ISN'T IT 90? WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EASY.
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>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
>> WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT, AND I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO START WHILE WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS VERSUS TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT IS A LOT HARDER TO DO THAT.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT, I'M SAYING THAT ME PERSONALLY, I LOOK AT IT, AND I CAN TAKE ALL NIGHT TONIGHT AND FIGURE IT OUT IF YOU GUYS WANT IT, BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO.
WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTER THE FACT, A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE CAN HAVE ONE-ON-ONES OR WHATEVER.
I JUST FEEL THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT, AND WE OWE THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE.
WE OWE THEM TO TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS. DO WE NEED TO ASTRO TURF?
>> SURE. BUT YOUR THREE EXAMPLES, INCREASE THE RATE ON ONE THING TO GIVE A TAX BREAK ON ANOTHER.
THEY CUT BACK ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH WORSE ROADS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STUFF THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET DONE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO TOWN SQUARE STUFF, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WORK STUFF, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FIRE EMPLOYEES.
>> NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU BACK ON THE FULL-TIME RATIO, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CUT BACK ON THAT RATIO IS YOU EITHER BRING IN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OR YOU CUT EMPLOYEES. THAT'S ONLY THE TWO WAYS TO DO IT.
>> WELL, CUTTING IN PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BENCHMARKS THAT WE HAVE FOR HOW WE'RE DOING OUR PAY INCREASES RIGHT NOW AT 70 AND 85 PERCENTILES, THOSE WERE CHANGED IN 2022.
THEY WERE LOWER THAN THAT PRIOR TO 2022.
THEY WERE RAISED BECAUSE OF POST COVID TRYING TO GET EMPLOYEES HIRED.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO ALWAYS STAY AT 70 AND 85TH PERCENTILE.
WHEN WE HAVE EMPLOYEES, IF WE ENDED UP AT ONE EMPLOYEE PER 80 RESIDENTS, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE LOWEST RATIO OF EVERYONE OF CITIES ON THAT BENCHMARK PAGE.
SO THAT MEANS TO ME THAT THOSE OTHER CITIES SOMEHOW MAY BE OPERATING MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WE DO, AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
I'M SORRY IF WE CAN'T JUST LAY OUT WHICH EMPLOYEES ARE GOOD, AND WHICH EMPLOYEES ARE BAD.
I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND YOU LOOK AT US COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CUT $3 MILLION FROM THIS BUDGET.
THERE'S WAYS BEEN CUT $3 MILLION RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WITHOUT EVEN FIRING ANY EMPLOYEES, AND I WOULD BE LOOKING AT RUSTIN PARK AS AN EXAMPLE.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT IT IS THERE.
>> CAN I RESPOND TO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FTES PER CITIZEN SERVED, AND IT IS A DATA METRIC THAT WE TRACK.
BUT IT IS ONE THAT DOESN'T QUITE TELL THE FULL PICTURE AND THAT I THINK IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO START HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, ARE WE STAFFED TO DELIVER THE SERVICES AND OUTCOMES THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT BEFORE US FROM A POLICY DIRECTION AND FROM A SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATION? WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT EVALUATING IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ONE METRIC, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, IT'S NOT QUITE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
SCOPE OF SERVICES IS A VERY REAL PART OF THAT DRIVER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE SAME BENCHMARK CITIES FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE NUMBER OF FTES PER SQUARE MILE, WE ARE ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK.
UNIVERSITY PARK HAS ABOUT 70 FTES PER SQUARE MILE.
THE DATA IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT ALSO MATTERS HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, AND WHAT QUESTIONS IT CAUSES YOU TO ASK.
ONE THING THAT THAT DATA METRIC DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE IS DEMAND.
OUR DAYTIME AND OUR SERVICE POPULATION IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR RESIDENT POPULATION.
WE HAVE THINGS LIKE WORKLOAD THAT IS ALSO DRIVEN BY HEADCOUNT, THINGS LIKE SPECIAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALSO PART OF THAT NUMBER.
YES, THAT FTE COUNT IS FUNDED THROUGH DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, BUT THE 74 HEAD COUNT PER CITIZEN SERVED, THAT'S A FULL PICTURE OF THE CITY'S ENTIRE FTE COUNT, AND THAT IS FUNDED THROUGH MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES, NOT SIMPLY THE GENERAL FUND.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS SERVICE LEVELS HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY MINDED.
WE'RE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR TALKING TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT, ARE WE ALIGNED WITH THE SERVICE EXPECTATION? BUT IT'S A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION THEN I THINK WE CAN GIVE YOU ANSWERS TO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
WE BELIEVE WE ARE STAFFED RIGHT NOW TO MEET THE SERVICE DEMANDS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE.
IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SERVICE PALETTE GOING FORWARD, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
>> I'LL JUMP IN. FIRST THING IS, MAKE NO MISTAKE, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A TAX CUT.
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EVERYBODY'S TAX BILL GOES DOWN BASED UPON THEIR APPRAISED VALUE. IT'S A TAX CUT.NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS, AGAIN, IT'S A PHRASE THAT WAS CREATED BY THE LEGISLATURE, BUT IT HIDES THE FACT THAT BY DROPPING IT BY A PENNY, IT IS A TAX CUT TO EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY.
THAT'S A FACT. I WILL SAY I DO THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS, THOUGH, FOR COUNCIL MEMBER TAGGART AND CHARLIE TO SAY, WELL, THAT REALLY WASN'T ONE OF THE SINKING OR IN COUNCIL MEMBER TAGGART CASE.
I DIDN'T HAVE THIS, AND NOW I SEE THE BUDGET.
I'VE HAD THE BUDGET FOR TWO WEEKS, THAT'S CORRECT, I CAN'T DENY THAT.
BUT EVERY ONE OF US SAT AT A MEETING THAT STARTED WITH A SUMMER WORKSHOP WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THESE THINGS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT BUDGET PLANNING IN THE PROCESS THAT WAS COMING UP, AND EVERYBODY WAS ON THE RECORD GOING, THIS PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO.
NOT ONE COMMENT, EVEN WITHOUT A BUDGET. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET.
YOU COULD HAVE SAID, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I'M GOING TO NEED TO SEE THE BUDGET.
I'M GOING TO NEED TO SEE THOSE EXPENDITURES BEFORE I CAN SAY THAT.
BUT NOBODY DID THAT ANYWHERE ALONG THE WAY AND THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE MEETINGS FOR SUMMER WORKSHOPS, STAFF PRESENTATIONS, TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PREPARE FOR THE BUDGET, AND NOTHING'S BROUGHT UP.
NOW ON THE TUESDAY NIGHT OF THE FIRST READING, THIS NOW SURFACES.
I DO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS ON THAT.
I WILL SAY THIS TOO, I LIKE TO KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
THE TAX SAVINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, EVERYONE'S HOME IS VALUED DIFFERENTLY, BUT ON AVERAGE, JUST LIKE IT IS EVERY TIME, THE SAVINGS WILL AMOUNT TO ABOUT ONE LARGE PIZZA FROM DOMINOES A MONTH.
THAT'S THE SAVINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR EVERYBODY HERE IN ORDER TO CUT MILLIONS FROM THE CITY'S BUDGET AND ULTIMATELY CUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SERVICES.
IF WE THINK OUR RESIDENTS MIGHT WANT TO GO UP TO THE UTILITIES WINDOW TO SEE SOMEBODY TO HANDLE AN ISSUE ON THEIR BILL, AND DON'T MIND THAT MAYBE THAT OFFICE CLOSES AT 3:00.
MAYBE CLOSES AT 2:30 AND IF THEY DON'T MIND THAT, THEN SO BE IT.
THOSE ARE THE SERVICES WE CAN CUT.
BUT I DO AGREE ALSO WITH THE CONCEPT THAT TO ENTERTAIN RAISING RATES IN ONE AREA TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WE DID A NO NEW REVENUE RATE BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING TO SAY, NO QUESTION.
THAT'S THE THING TO SAY IS WE DID A NO NEW REVENUE RATE WHILE STILL CUTTING TAXES.
THE IDEA THOUGH OF RAISING RATES IN ONE AREA SO THAT YOU CAN LOWER IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND CLAIM THAT YOU DID NO NEW REVENUE IS INTRIGUING TO ME.
THE ISSUE OF THE RATIO OF SERVICES ONE TO 74.
THE ONE PIECE THAT WAS LEFT OUT IN THAT COMMENT, AND YOU SAID YOURSELF, COLVILLE, YOU REFERENCED COLVILLE AS ONE OF THOSE THAT DOES BETTER THAN US.
YET YOU DID NOT MENTION THAT COLVILLE IS RAISING THE RATE THIS YEAR.
I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS CAN'T BE EXCLUDED FROM EACH OTHER. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK AT A BUDGET AND MAKE DECISIONS, BUT I'M NOT IN A POSITION WHERE I'M GOING TO TO CUT SERVICES IN ORDER TO [OVERLAPPING] I HAVE NOT READY TO CUT THE RATE MORE THAN WE'RE ALREADY CUTTING THE RATE.
>> I'M NOT LOOKING TO HARDCORE DEBATE IT, BUT WE WERE AT AN SPDC MEETING AND RANDY, YOU SAID TO ME IN THAT MEETING, WHEN YOU WERE FIRST ON CITY COUNCIL, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THINGS WOULD COST AS MUCH AS IT DOES WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT BE SPENDING $65,000 ON SOMEONE TO DESIGN A RECTANGULAR BATHROOM BOX WITH TOILETS IN IT.
THAT'S 600 HOURS OF A BILLABLE TIME FOR AN ENGINEER TO SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THEN, BUT THAT'S THE TYPE THING THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN I RAN A BUSINESS, I WOULD LOOK AT THIS EACH YEAR AND I WOULD GO TO MY STAFF AND SAY, THIS IS THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS YEAR.
NOW, CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE WORK WITH THIS AND TELL ME WHAT WE NEED TO DO? THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THAT WHAT HAPPENED INSTEAD WAS STAFF SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.
WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO AS FAR AS THE TAXES GO TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS? MY POINT IS THAT AS A CITY, I CAN TELL ALREADY WE ARE OVERPAYING FOR SOME THINGS, AND WE'RE MAKING SOME CHOICES ON SOME ITEMS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT ASTROTURF, THEY DON'T WANT BATHROOMS IN TOWN CENTER, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DON'T WANT.
THERE'S SECTIONS OF ROADS THAT WE REPLACE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S TURN, AND THOSE ITEMS, WHILE THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE AND DIFFERENT BUCKETS, THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE CITY COULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT THAN SAVE MONEY.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S WHY I SAID AT THE BEGINNING.
>> BUT YOU'RE REFERENCING ITEMS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN APPROVED.
THE BATHROOM HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
>> CIP PROJECTS THAT WE ARE PUTTING MONEY ASIDE AND DISCUSSING.
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THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF ITEMS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.THERE ARE CHOICES THAT ARE BEING MADE IN MY OPINION, AND IT'S JUST MY OPINION AND GUESS WHAT? YOU CAN BULLY ME ON IT.
I CAN VOTE HOW I WANT TO VOTE.
I PERSONALLY DO NOT THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE.
>> THIS ISN'T BULLYING. THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN ELECTED OFFICES DEBATE.
>> I'M THROWING YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AT NO POINT DID I SAY WE NEED TO GO NO NEW REVENUE AND TRADE THAT FOR CHARGING PEOPLE MORE.
EVEN IF WE DID DO THE 0.295, WE SHOULD BE CHARGING MORE TO ASSESS DRAINAGE FEES IN ORDER TO START PAYING FOR SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THIS CITY.
IF WE HAVEN'T RAISED THAT NUMBER SINCE 2006, I MEAN, THAT'S CRAZY AND IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S WATERING THEIR GRASS, THEY'RE PUTTING OUT 200,000 GALLONS OF WATER IN A MONTH AND THAT CONTRIBUTES, THEN THEY SHOULD PAY MORE FOR THAT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT, AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A FAMILY OF FOUR, FIVE OR 10.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FAMILY SIZE, BUT RAISING ONE REVENUE COLLECTION TO LOWER ANOTHER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID, SO THAT'S FINE.
AGAIN, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE.
I THINK THAT THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT.
IF WE HAVE MORE TIME TO DO IT, WE CAN SIT DOWN, WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE ITEMS. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME THAT COLVILLE MAY BE RAISING THE RATE.
I STILL THINK THAT THAT DIFFERENCE IN FEES AT THE END OF THE DAY WOULD STILL BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.
I DO BETWEEN WHAT WE WOULD END UP WITH AND WHAT THEY WOULD END UP WITH.
BUT WE REALLY SHOULD START LOOKING AS A CITY TO BE A BIT MORE STREAMLINED BECAUSE WE ARE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION.
IF WE DON'T DO IT THIS YEAR, WE DON'T DO IT THIS YEAR.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY OPINION, AND I'M ALLOWED TO HAVE MY OPINION.
>> LAST QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION AS A RATE RELATES TO THE FACT? ONE THING THAT'S NOT DEBATABLE IS WE KNOW WE HAVE HUGE EXPENDITURES COMING UP IN THE YEARS AHEAD.
FOR THIS COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNCILS, WITH REGARDS TO UTILITIES IN UNDERGROUND.
WE CAN'T PREDICT EXACTLY WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE.
IS THE IDEA YOU CUT TO THE BARE MINIMUM SERVICES? YOU DON'T PREPARE AT ALL FOR THE FUTURE.
WHEN THAT NEW ROOF NEEDS TO BE PUT ON TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU GO, I DIDN'T PLAN FOR THAT.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT A NEW ROOF.
IT'S TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF STORM SEWERS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
WE JUST IGNORE THAT AND NOT PREPARE FOR THAT AND JUST GOT THE BUDGET AS FAR AS WE CAN, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL HOPE FOR THE BEST.
>> THE POINT OF GOING TO NEW RATES, BY THE WAY.
THE POINT IS TO GET THE CITY DOWN TO A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE SPOT WHERE WE ARE NOT OVERCHARGING OUR RESIDENTS, BUT WE'RE OFFERING THEM THE BEST SERVICES THAT WE CAN FOR THAT MONEY.
I DO NOT THINK THAT WE'RE AT THAT POINT RIGHT NOW AND IF YOU WANT TO DISAGREE WITH ME, THAT'S FINE.
I'M JUST LET YOU KNOW TODAY, AS OF TODAY, BECAUSE I GOT THIS FULL BUDGET TWO WEEKS AGO, AND I'VE SPENT THE LAST TWO WEEKS GOING THROUGH IT AND STUDYING, LOOKING AT IT, LOOKING AT THE OTHER DIFFERENT CITIES, THAT IS CURRENTLY HOW I FEEL.
YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR THE RATE INCREASE, VOTE FOR THE RATE INCREASE.
I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR NEW REVENUE RATE.
>> WELL, IT'S NOT A RATE INCREASE, IT'S RATE DECREASE.
>> WELL, IT'S TECHNICALLY A RATE INCREASE ACCORDING.
>> NOT TECHNICALLY. IT'S 100% A RATE DECREASE PERIOD.
>> 0.295. ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR 0.295? THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT I DISAGREE WITH IT.
I THINK THAT WITH FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AND TALKING WITH STAFF AND LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES, I THINK THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO A LOT BETTER THAN THAT AND THAT'S THAT.
>> I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING FOR THIS AND FORTUNATELY, DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPONENT.
I REMEMBER SAYING TO PEOPLE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER AND HARDER AND HARDER FOR US TO CUT TAXES BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE BECAUSE WE CAN'T GROW OURSELVES OUT OF A PROBLEM ANYMORE.
WE CAN'T KEEP SPENDING MONEY AND THINK WE'RE GOING TO GROW OUT OF THIS.
WE BECOME A REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE CITY AND IN MY MIND, I THINK IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO CONTINUE TO STAY LOW IN DEBT AND WE USE DEBT WHEN IT'S STRATEGICALLY AVAILABLE FOR US.
THE NUMBERS BEFORE US, I STUDIED THE BUDGETS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS THAT YOU WERE PREPARED, BOTH IN THE I CALL THE CLIFFS NOTES, BUT THE SYNOPSIS VERSION THAT YOU PUBLISH EVERY YEAR WHEN I WAS PREPARING TO RUN AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT YOU PROVIDED US TODAY OR THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
BUT IN MY MIND, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND SAYING, IF WE GO BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SAVINGS IS $100.
FOR THAT, TO FUND OUR CIP, WE HAVE TO GO A MILLION AND A HALF IN DEBT TO FUND THAT.
I CAN'T RECONCILE SAYING, CITY COUNCIL, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN REDUCING OUR DEBT 62% OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, LET'S GO BACKWARDS ON THAT AND START ADDING DEBT TO IT JUST SO WE CAN DO THESE THINGS.
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON'S COMMENT THAT MANY OF THE CIP ITEMS, WHETHER IT'S THE TURF OR THINGS LIKE THAT, HAVEN'T BEEN FINALIZED, I'M AGREED TO.
BUT I'M VERY ACUTELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS TOWN, AND WE'VE GOT A MAJOR WATER LINE WITH THE CITY KELLER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PARTNER
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ON AND SHARING SOME MAJOR COSTS RELATED TO THAT.IF THAT THING BUSTED TOMORROW, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? IF WE DON'T PLAN FISCALLY RESPONSIBLY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT OURSELVES IN A TON OF TROUBLE, AND WE'RE GOING TO START WALKING BACK THESE TAXES TO BE RAISING TAXES IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M PERSONALLY WORRIED ABOUT.
>> I THINK THIS YEAR IS REALLY AN ANOMALY, THE WAY I'VE LOOKED AT IT, AND RANDY AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, AND WE'RE PROUD OF OUR RECORD.
WE'VE SAT UP HERE AND ADVOCATED AND VOTED FOR NO NEW REVENUE SIX YEARS IN A ROW.
THIS YEAR IS REALLY AN ANOMALY IN MY MIND, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES FROM MULTIPLE YEARS.
THEY'RE NOT AS BAD AS THEY WERE, BUT ONE THING THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME.
IT'S ON PAGE 30 OF THE BUDGET IS NEW CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS ARE WAY DOWN.
WE'VE PLATEAUED, AND THERE'S NOT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST, WHERE THOSE PENNIES AND THOSE DOLLARS CAN GO IN TO PROVIDE THE TAX CUTS FOR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
THAT WENT DOWN FROM 5% TO 1.2% OF THE TAXABLE VALUE. THAT'S REAL MONEY.
NOW, I THINK NEXT YEAR WITH WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING, THERE'S SOME HOUSES THAT ARE COMING, SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US THAT BOOST.
I FULLY EXPECT AND ALICE AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I THINK FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, ONE YEAR FROM NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING NO NEW REVENUE WITHOUT RESERVATION.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS AND ALL THESE PROJECTS STOP THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, AND THEY'RE GOING VERTICAL, I THINK A YEAR FROM NOW, OUR CONVERSATION IS VERY DIFFERENT.
NOW, COULD WE BORROW AGAINST THAT AND DO DEBT, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS SAID, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU CAN CHARGE OR CASH ADVANCE THE CREDIT CARD AND MAKE IT WORK, AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS HERE, BUT I REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS A ONE OFF, A ONE YEAR ANOMALY, SIX YEARS IN A ROW OF NO NEW REVENUE THIS YEAR WITH ALL THESE COMBINATION OF FACTORS, INCLUDING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION BEING DOWN.
BUT I THINK BOUNCING BACK FOR NEXT YEAR, I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE ONE OFF YEARS AND IT'S A POLITICAL TALKING POINT AND A POLITICAL THING TO NOT DO THAT AND, I GET THAT.
I'VE SAT UP HERE AND VOTED FOR NO NEW REVENUE RATES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF THINGS WILL BE SAID, BECAUSE WE POSSIBLY WON'T DO IT THIS YEAR, BUT I FULLY EXPECT WE'LL DO IT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WILL KIND OF HAVE WORKED THEMSELVES OUT.
WE'LL HAVE BEEN DILIGENT THIS YEAR.
LOWER FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS BEING BETTER, INFLATIONARY PRESSURES BEING BETTER.I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A GOOD SPOT A YEAR FROM NOW, AND IT'LL BE A NO BRAINER TO DO NO NEW REVENUE, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT THERE THIS YEAR. IT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT.
>> I MEAN, JUST LIKE OUR HOUSEHOLDS.
I MEAN, SOME YEARS WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, SOME YEARS WE DON'T.
THE DEBT THING IS REALLY SENSITIVE TO ME.
I CAN'T STAND DEBT PERSONALLY.
ANYWAY, IT LIMITS YOUR ABILITIES IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS OVER THE DEBT TAKEN ON BY, I WAS GOING TO SAY ADMINISTRATION BUT PREVIOUS BOARD MEMBERS, AND NOW THIS IS THE SITUATION WE'RE IN.
>> WHEN WE FACTOR IN OUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THAT ADDS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DRIVES THE RATE DOWN TO 0.236.
I MEAN, FOR RESIDENTIAL, WE ARE BELOW NO NEW REVENUE.
NOW, WE COULD MESS AROUND WITH THAT.
THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT ARE PLAYING WITH THEIR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO 20% STATE MAX LIKE WE DO, AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT TO OFFSET THE TAX RATE.
THAT'S THE MATHEMATICAL GYMNASTICS THEY CAN PLAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL, BUT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, WE ARE BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE FOCUS.
THAT'S WHY WE STARTED 10 YEARS AGO WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION TO GIVE THAT TAX RELIEF TO THE RESIDENTS FIRST, AND THEN WE MOVED OVER AND HELPED OUT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE TAX RATE AS WELL.
BUT I THINK THAT'S IT SERVED US WELL.
WHEN YOU DIVE INTO THOSE NUMBERS, I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE PLEASED WITH A TAX RATE CUT FROM 0.305 TO 0.295, AND MORE TO COME NEXT YEAR.
FOR THE THIRD LOWEST TAX RATE IN THE DFW METROPLEX, I'M NOT SURE WE'LL EVER CATCH UP TO GRAPEVINE BECAUSE I HAVE THAT AIRPORT THING, BUT I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS AFTER THIS YEAR.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON ABOUT BEING DISINGENUOUS.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WE DID NOT TAKE A VOTE AT SUMMER WORKSHOP, AND I WAS UNDER THE FULL IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS A DIRECTION AND WE MAY NOT IN THERE, AND I BELIEVE THE MAYOR EVEN MADE A COMMENT TO THAT POINT IS, LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE.
I'M NOT SAYING HE WOULD HAVE AGREED TO NO NEW REVENUE.
I TAKE EXCEPTION TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE I GUESS NEXT YEAR AT SUMMER WORKSHOP, I'LL BE A LOT MORE CONSERVATIVE WITH MY COMMENTS BECAUSE WE
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WERE NOT SHOWN AT SUMMER WORKSHOP THE WHOLE PICTURE.HOW CAN YOU MAKE A DECISION WHEN YOU DON'T SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE? I TAKE EXCEPTION TO YOUR AND TO YOU TOO.
I'M WAITING FOR THE INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
I DISAGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS.
>> ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WASN'T WHAT WAS SAID THAT NIGHT.
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAID, HEY, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT RECOLLECTION, BUT IT WAS ALONG THE LINES OF I REALLY WISH WE COULD DO THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT NEXT TIME.
>> WELL, BE MUCH MORE CAREFUL FROM HERE ON NOW BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS SAYING.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BUT I DID NOT THINK THAT THAT WAS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. WE WEREN'T VOTING.
>> MY ERROR, AND I WON'T MAKE IT AGAIN BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISINGENUOUS.
I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT THEN.
THERE YOU GO AND I GUESS I'LL DEFINITELY BE MORE VOCAL.
>> I MEAN, MY WIFE WOULD LIKE TO GO ON A CERTAIN VACATION COMING UP NEXT YEAR, AND TODAY, I CAN TELL HER, I THINK WE PROBABLY GO ON A VACATION.
BUT THEN IF LIKE, THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, I HAVE A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE VACATION PACKAGE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST, AND I GO BACK TO HER AND SAY, I'M SORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ON A VACATION.
I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GET THE THIRD DEGREE FROM HER ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, I WAS PERFECTLY FINE.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'RE SAYING, WE CAN'T.
IT IS NOT FAIR TO GO INTO A MEETING AND BE SHOWN A HIGH LEVEL OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FIRST.
THIS IS WHAT OUR BENEFITS ARE GOING TO GO UP.
THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO PAY THE EMPLOYEES AND STAFF.
THEN BE TOLD, WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE RATE TO BE? WITHOUT ANY OTHER INFORMATION AT ALL.
THE BUDGET IS THE BUDGET AND SO GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, I WILL NOT GIVE ANY OPINION UNTIL I HAVE THE ACTUAL BUDGET IN MY HAND, AND I CAN HAVE TIME TWO WEEKS OF PLENTY, I THINK TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEN I'LL GIVE MY OPINION ON IT, SO I WILL DEFINITELY KEEP THAT IN MIND.
>> I THINK A LOT OF US THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR MULTIPLE YEARS NOW OR EVEN MULTIPLE TERMS BEFORE OR SOMETHING, UNDERSTAND THAT THE SINGLE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON IN THE ROOM TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET AND TO UNDERSTAND AND TO GUIDE US ON THAT TAX PIECE IS STANDING RIGHT THERE.
I THINK WHEN SHARON STANDS UP AND SAYS, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT, FOLKS.
SHE TOLD US LAST YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO GO BELOW ANY REVENUE IF WE CAN, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS.
SHE'S A FINANCIAL WIZARD, BUT SHE'S NOT A FINANCIAL MAGICIAN.
SHE CAN'T PULL MONEY OUT OF THE HAT AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PAYING FOR EVERYTHING AT THE INCREASED RATES THAT THEY'RE GOING, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT ANY MORE MONEY FROM ANYONE ELSE.
WE CAN'T SIT UP ON THIS DICE AND DENY EVERY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND THINK THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP A BUNCH OF PARK SPACE THAT DOESN'T GENERATE A DIME OF REVENUE AND KEEP PAYING THE BILLS.
IT'S GOT TO GIVE SOMEWHERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO GO INTO DETAILS ON THE MAGIC ANSWER FOR ALL THIS IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO THE TAXPAYERS OF SOUTHLAKE TO GET TO WHERE THAT NUMBER IS, AND AT THAT POINT, WE ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT-SIZED, AND THEN WE ARE ACTUALLY THEN FROM THERE CHARGING WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO.
I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME FAT AND IT'S NOT EMPLOYEES.
THERE'S OTHER STUFF THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT, AND WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THOSE ITEMS. WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL. NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE GO NO NEW REVENUE RIGHT NOW, THEN NEXT YEAR, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO UP, OR THE FOLLOWING YEAR, MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN GO BACK DOWN. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW TODAY, IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT, AND I THINK I SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING AS WELL.
AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I SEE SOME KINKS IN THE ARMOR, AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE, WE'RE GOING TO DISAGREE BECAUSE I'M NOT OKAY RAISING ONE REVENUE PIECE.
I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY SHELL GAMES.
I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY POLITICS FOR THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE.
I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, AND I'M NOT WILLING TO FIRE FOLKS THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICE THAT OUR CITIZENS EXPECT AT THIS POINT, JUST TO SAY WE WENT BELOW AND KNOWN YOUR REVENUE.
>> I DON'T DISAGREE THAT MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME DO NOT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE, BUT I RAN A BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME.
I BOUGHT THAT BUSINESS AND OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS, NEVER TOOK OUT A SINGLE LOAN, AND WE BECAME THE NUMBER 1 BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES.
I HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHILE I WASN'T ON CITY COUNCIL AS LONG AS YOU ON WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT.
I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS GOING TO BE EASY.
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I SAID IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.IF THIS CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS AS A GROUP, I WILL ABIDE BY THAT.
I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'LL WALK OUT HERE AND HAVE A BEER WITH YOU GUYS. PERFECTLY FINE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU AS SOMEONE WHO HAD A BUSINESS WHO NEVER HAD A LOAN, WE CAN DO IT.
>> I THINK SOMETIMES THE DISCUSSION CAN ALSO BE AROUND THE OUTPUT OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND HOW MUCH THEY CONTRIBUTE TO IT, AND THAT'S NOT A MEASURE THAT'S REALLY MEASURED.
HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? MY DAD WAS A PREACHER AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WE NEED TO GROW THE CONGREGATION.
MY DAD WOULD SAY, IS THAT OUR JOB? HOW DO YOU MEASURE SPIRITUAL GROWTH? SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T MEASURE.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT A CONVERSATION SHARON AND I HAD MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU DO ALL OF THE INTERNAL MODELING OF ALL THE FORECASTING AND ALL THAT STUFF IN HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES DO, BUT I CAN TELL YOU LIKE DALLAS FORT WORTH, ALL THOSE, ALL OF THAT IS A STAFF OF 20 PEOPLE, 30 PEOPLE, 50 PEOPLE, SO TALK ABOUT EFFICIENCY OF OUTPUT WHAT SHARON'S DOING AND HUGE SAVINGS THERE. ONE LAST COMMENT.
>> DEPUTY MER PROT HALLY [OVERLAPPING].
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE'RE PROPOSING A TAX CUT.
>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH LEFT TO CONTRIBUTE, BUT I DO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS, OF COURSE.
FIRST, I WANT TO COMMEND STAFF.
I KNOW THAT YOU WORKED EXTREMELY HARD TO LOOK FOR PLACES FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE THAT COULD BE CUT.
I THINK TO YOUR POINT, AUSTIN, YOU GUYS DO A PHENOMENAL JOB IN YOUR JOBS AND IN TAKING CARE OF OUR CITY, AND I KNOW YOU WORKED VERY HARD AND VERY DILIGENTLY TO DO THAT, TO FIND PLACES WHERE THINGS CAN HAPPEN TO EFFECTUALLY MAKE SOME CUTS WHERE NEEDED, REDUCING STAFF, LOOKING AT ALL THINGS.
I KNOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT THE CITY COMPARISON CHART, IT'S JUST APPLES TO BASKETBALLS.
HIGHLAND PARKS, I THINK, TWO SQUARE MILES, WELL, TWO, THREE, OR 26.
WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, WE RESPOND.
HIGHLAND PARK PROBABLY DOES TOO, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE THEM VERY LONG TO GET THERE.
THE OTHER CITIES, I JUST THINK THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE TO OUR CUSTOMERS, TO OUR RESIDENTS IS VERY HIGH, AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG TIME AND I'M PROUD OF THAT AND I THINK WE SHALL BE PROUD OF THAT.
WE TAKE CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS 200 MILLION%.
THEY ARE THAT IMPORTANT TO US AND THEIR EXPERIENCE IN OUR CITY, WHETHER IT'S WITH THEIR HOME OR SOMETHING ELSE.
I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR FUTURE IN TERMS OF CONTINUING TO CUT THE TAX RATE LOWER.
WE ARE CUTTING TAXES BY GOING TO THE 0.295 RATE.
THE LEGISLATURE HAS IT WORDED, WHERE IT DON'T SOUND LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK, AGAIN, THE SAVINGS TO A FAMILY, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD OF $100 A YEAR, CHUCK, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T RAISED, WE'VE BEEN CHARGING PEOPLE THE SAME FOR 20 YEARS.
THAT'S A LONG TIME, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TOO.
DOES THAT NOW TAKE OUR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD? ARE WE NOW GETTING TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OR $500 MORE FROM THEM PER YEAR WHILE TRYING TO SAVE A SCOOCH MORE IN TAXES? I THINK FOR THIS YEAR, ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
I'M VERY COMFORTABLE GOING TO THE 0.295 RATE, AND IT IS A TAX CUT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS A CITY.
ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAVE THINGS COME UP THAT WE HAVEN'T ANTICIPATED, THAT STAFF HASN'T ANTICIPATED THAT WE THEN HAVE TO TURN AND SPEND MONEY ON AND FIX.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND CONTEMPLATING THAT IN THE BUDGET, I KNOW YOU HAVE, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM.
>> JUST AGAIN, TO REITERATE TO RESPOND TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, I THINK GOING BY A SQUARE MILE, THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE A BIGGER NUMBER THAN WE WOULD EVEN IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE.
MY POINT IS WE ARE THE LOWEST OF ALL OF THEM, SO IT'S NOT JUST HIGHLAND PARK, IT'S ALL OF THEM.
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THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO THROW AN EXAMPLE OUT THERE, AND I KNOW THAT I'M GOING GET A LITTLE PUSH BACK ON IT, BUT THERE'S A POINT TO WHAT I'M SAYING.THERE IS A HOLE ON THE SIDE OF NORTH WHITE CHAPEL RIGHT NOW.
AS OF YESTERDAY, IT DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING SURROUNDING IT TO PROTECT SOMEONE FROM FALLING IN, AND THE BARRIERS THAT WERE PUT UP TO BLOCK SOMEONE FROM FALLING AND FELL DOWN MONTHS AGO.
THIS HOLE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE UTILITY COMPANY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
MY POINT IS, THIS HOLE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT DRIVE BY THAT LOCATION, PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN IT.
WHEN WE SAY THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO LOOK AT INCREASING BEFORE SOMEONE ACTUALLY GETS HURT OVER THERE.
NOW, GOING BACK TO SHARON, I TOTALLY COMPLETELY AGREE.
I THINK SHE'S THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PERSON THAT I'VE EVER MET. SHE KNOWS HER STUFF.
SHE KNOWS ANSWERS TO THINGS THAT I'M SHOCKED THAT SHE KNEW, AND I THINK SHE DID AN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL JOB AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE SUMMER WORKSHOP OF WHAT REVENUE RATE THAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT AND THE ONE FROM AUGUST THE FIFTH THAT I WAS AT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
IN NO WAY, SHARON, AM I KNOCKING ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE IT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, AND I TOTALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME WITH THIS, BUT I THINK THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE IT MAY NOT BE THAT MUCH BETTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES.
WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY AND THAT'S FINE, TOO.
THEN FINALLY, BUSINESS 101 WOULD BE, IF IT COSTS YOU MORE TO GET SOMETHING DONE, THEN YOU HAVE TO INCREASE THE PRICE ON THAT.
WE WANT TO GIVE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES A 3-4% RAISE ON AVERAGE, BUT YET IT COSTS US MORE TO GET THINGS DONE AT LOCATIONS AND WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE THE PRICE ON THAT.
I'M SORRY, IF YOU GO TO CHICK FOLEY RIGHT NOW, IT'S$16 AN HOUR STARTING PAY IS WHAT THEY PAY AT CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS WHY IT COSTS YOU MORE FOR CHICK-FIL-A SANDWICH TODAY THAN IT DID A FEW YEARS AGO.
SAME THING HERE. IF THE MARKET COSTS US MORE IN EMPLOYEES, AND IT COSTS US MORE IN EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE ON THAT, THEN WE SHOULD BE CHARGING MORE AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME.
IF IT COSTS US MORE TO KEEP OUR DRAINAGE PATHWAYS OPEN, THEN WE SHOULD CHARGE MORE AFTER 19 YEARS.
ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT MY POINT IS, IS THAT NO ONE'S LOOKED AT THAT.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SHIFTING MONEY FROM ONE SPOT TO ANOTHER, IT'S BEING REALISTIC.
>> I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT THE TAX RATES ARE CHICKEN.
WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY THE MARKS ONE'S ISOLATED PLACE, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT ROADWAYS, YOU TALK ABOUT PARKS, YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU DON'T CHARGE, THERE'S NOT ACCESS TO.
YOU TALK ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE.
THOSE THINGS WE DON'T CHARGE FOR POLICE AND FIRE.
WE CAN'T SAY, HEY, IF YOU HAVE A CAR WRECK, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU AN EXTRA 50 BUCKS FOR THE POLICE TO COME TO YOUR WRECK BECAUSE IT COSTS US MORE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE TAX RATE IS OUR CHICKEN, AND SO WE CAN ONLY GO AS LOW AS WE CAN GO.
>> I LOVE YOU, RANDY. I'M JUST SAYING I BET IT COSTS MORE FOR AN ANESTHESIOLOGIST TODAY THAN IT DID A FEW YEARS AGO [OVERLAPPING]
>> I MAKE LESS THAN I'VE EVER MADE.
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. GUESS WHAT? I DON'T GET PAID MORE. THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T PAY ME ANY MORE THAN THEY PAID ME 10 YEARS AGO.
>> I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AS AN ANALOGY.
I KNOW YOU DO, AND IF YOU DON'T, WE'RE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT OFF.
THAT'S MY OPINION. ONCE AGAIN, I AM A PERSON UP HERE, ONE OF SEVEN PEOPLE, AND I AM ALLOWED TO HAVE MY OPINION.
IF YOU WANT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT AND RUDE ABOUT IT, THEN WE CAN KEEP ON GOING BACK AND FORTH, BUT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IF IT USED TO COST US $0.05 FOR SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY, AND NOW IT COSTS 10, THEN THAT MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
IF IT COSTS US $0.10 FOR THAT ITEM, AND WE INCREASE PEOPLE'S PAY ON TOP OF THAT, THEN YES, WE WILL HAVE MONEY PROBLEMS. I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE TO NOT RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE EATING THINGS THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EAT, AND THAT THOSE COSTS FOR OTHER ITEMS CAN GO UP AS WELL.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS, AGAIN, THAT WE COULD CUT THAT WOULD BRING THOSE PRICES DOWN, AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO CUT THOSE AS A BODY, THEN AGAIN, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I CAN SEE IT, AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION.
>> SHARON, CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN HOW MANY YEARS IN A ROW HAVE WE CUT RATES BETWEEN HOMESTEAD INCREASES AND [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS THE 15TH YEAR TO HAVE A TAX RELIEF.
>> FIFTEEN YEARS OF PROVIDING TAX RELIEF.
THE MAYOR STATED THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES IN THE METROPLEX, CORRECT? FIFTEEN YEARS OF TAX RELIEF, ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES IN THE METROPLEX.
WE AGREE WE HAVE IMPENDING THINGS, HIGH EXPENSES COMING OUR WAY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS THAT WE CAN'T PREDICT, AND WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH,
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AND NOW WE'RE OFFERING A 16TH YEAR OF TAX RELIEF.>> IT WOULD BE THE 15TH, SO 14 YEARS, ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES IN THE METROPLEX, IMPENDING HIGH COSTS COMING OUR WAY AND YET WE'RE STILL GOING TO OFFER A 15TH YEAR TAX RELIEF, AND WE'RE DEBATING THAT THAT'S A BAD DECISION SOMEHOW.
>> I DON'T THINK I SAID IT WAS A BAD DECISION.
I SAID I JUST THINK THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY CUT IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK IT'S A FINE DECISION IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DECIDE.
AGAIN, WE KEEP ON GOING BACK AND FORTH.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND BECAUSE I CAN LOOK AT IT, I CAN SEE IT.
IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT [OVERLAPPING]
>> MAYBE I SHOULD BE MORE CLEAR.
THE BAD DECISION WOULD BE LOWERING IT EVEN MORE [OVERLAPPING] AND PENDING CHARGES COME IN YOUR W.
>> IF THAT IS YOUR OPINION, THEN THAT IS YOUR VOTE.
I HAVE MY VOTE, AND I CAN SEE IT.
IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT, THEN AGAIN, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE, TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE, TWO SEPARATE THOUGHTS.
>> I THINK WE'RE READY. WE HAVE MOTIONS ON ALL THREE ITEMS SEPARATELY ON FIRST READING?
>> OH, PUBLIC HEARING, STARTING TO LOSE IT.
WE CAN HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS 6K, 6L, AND 6M.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. ANYONE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON 6K,6L, AND 6M.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. SEPARATE MOTIONS, THOUGH, ON FIRST READING FOR THOSE THREE ITEMS, RANDY WILLIAMSON?
>> YES. THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6K, APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FISCAL YEAR 2025, SOUTHLAKE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT OPERATING BUDGET, AND ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 OPERATING BUDGET, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE AMENDED FISCAL YEAR 2025 SOUTHLAKE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT OPERATING BUDGET, AND WE'RE APPROVING ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 OPERATING BUDGET.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
ITEM 6K IS APPROVED ON FIRST READING.
>> YES. MAYOR COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6L ORDINANCE NUMBER 1295, FIRST READING, TAX LEVY ORDINANCE, NOTING THAT WE ARE APPROVING A TAX LEVY ORDINANCE, REDUCING OUR TAX RATE TO 0.295, AND NOTING THAT FOR THE LEGISLATURE, THIS MUST INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.
I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.295, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 7.6% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.
THIS RATE REDUCTION WILL REDUCE THE TAX RATE BY ONE PENNY.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> CAST YOUR VOTES ON ITEM 6L.
ITEM 6L IS APPROVED ON FIRST READING.
>> LET ME ASK MAYOR COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6M ORDER IS NUMBER 1296.
FIRST READING, APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND APPROVING THE REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, AND NOTING THAT WE'RE ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND APPROVING A REVISED BUDGET FIGURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON ITEM 6M.
ITEM 6M IS APPROVED ON FIRST READING.
THOSE THREE ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSED AGAIN AT SECOND READING IN TWO WEEKS WITH THE FISCAL YEAR STARTING ON OCTOBER 1, AND THOSE WERE OUR LAST ITEMS FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA, SO THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.