Sep 18, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order.]

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

CITY HALL, 6:41 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 18TH. THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

APOLOGIES FOR STARTING A FEW MINUTES LATE HERE.

OUR WORK SESSION RAN A LITTLE LONG, BUT YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT AN AGENDA HERE WE CAN MAKE UP SOME TIME ON, SO HANG IN THERE WITH US. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT.

THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK. I'M THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK THE MEETING OFF AS NORMAL, SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS, WHICH. NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M NOT SURE OUR MICS ARE.

IS THAT BETTER? IS THAT A LITTLE. OKAY. SORRY.

OH, OKAY. HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HEARD ME AND THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT ME TO REDO THAT, SO I'LL JUST GO ON FAITH.

NO COMMENTS. NO ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT UPCOMING CORRIDOR MEETINGS.

WE HAVE ONE PLANNED FOR OCTOBER 27TH. YES, SIR.

PERFECT. AND WE'LL SEND OUT NOTICES TO OUR APPLICANTS HERE SHORTLY.

OKAY, PERFECT. IN TERMS OF CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS I'LL KEEP IT VERY BRIEF SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A CAPACITY CROWD HERE TONIGHT.

[4. Chairman Comments.]

WE'LL TYPICALLY INVITE THE APPLICANT UP AND ALLOW THEM MAYBE A BRIEF PRESENTATION OR COMMENT COMMENTS, ASK THEM QUESTIONS. WE MIGHT DELIBERATE A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE EVERYBODY WILL GET UP TO THREE MINUTES.

THEY CAN COMMENT TO US JUST ON ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THAT ITEM.

THEN ONCE WE'RE DONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL DELIBERATE AND HOPEFULLY FORMULATE A MOTION AS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON ON OUR AGENDA HERE.

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on September 4, 2025.]

WE'VE ALL BEEN GIVEN A COPY OF THOSE MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY EDITS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING NOTES OR MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER THE 4TH, 2025 AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND MOTION. PASSES 4-0 WITH ONE PERSON ABSTAINING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH INTO ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA.

[Items 6 & 7]

WE'LL HEAR A PRESENTATION AND OPEN UP BOTH ITEM 6 AND 7 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH ARE THE AMENDMENT TO THE CITY SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR 1835, SHADY OAKS, AND A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 1835, SHADY OAKS AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THESE ITEMS. YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF YOU, THEY'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. WE'VE HEARD THIS PRESENTATION A FEW TIMES AND WENT TO COUNCIL, I BELIEVE. GOT SOME FEEDBACK AFTER COMING THROUGH THIS COMMISSION.

AND I THINK THEY'RE COMING BACK THROUGH IN AN EFFORT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FEEDBACK THEY GOT AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL.

SO I THINK WE'LL WE'VE ALL KIND OF HEARD THIS A FEW TIMES, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN ANOTHER PRESENTATION ON IT.

AND JUST CONFIRM THOUGHTS. SO FEEL FREE TO GO AHEAD ON CITY STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH ITEM 6.

SO BE AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, ITEM 6 AND 7 COMBINED PRESENTATION.

LOOKING AT A ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN AND A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS.

SO ITEM SIX BEING THAT LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGING FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND ITEM SEVEN BEING THAT CONCEPT PLAN AND ZONING CHANGE.

HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST TO THE WEST OF 114 AND TO THE EAST OF SHADY OAKS.

FUTURE LAND USE IS DESIGNATED AS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, CURRENTLY ZONED AG.

SO HERE IS A STREET VIEW ON SHADY OAKS LOOKING SOUTH.

AND ON SHADY OAKS LOOKING NORTH. SO HERE IS A VIEW FROM THE SERVICE ROAD ON 114, LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND LOOKING NORTH FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.

SO HERE'S THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT BEING PROPOSED.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S CURRENTLY OFFICE COMMERCIAL. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A CHANGE TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE OPTIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY OVERLAY THAT IS ON THE SITE IS CURRENTLY MULTI-TENANT OFFICE.

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SO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

YOU COULD SEE THERE IS A 50 FOOT REAR BUILD LINE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES ABUTTING 114, AS WELL AS A 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH A TEN FOOT WALL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE EASEMENT.

RUNNING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE SET IS 20,000FT², AS IN LINE WITH SF 20 ZONING.

SO HERE IS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE SITE IN GENERAL.

SO OVERALL IT'S 20.21 ACRES. AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT 27 LOTS ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO TREE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS. SO THE REQUIRED TREE PRESERVATION IS AT 30%.

THE PROPOSAL DOES MEET THAT STANDARD OF 30%. ADDITIONALLY THERE ARE A LITTLE OVER 13% THAT ARE CONSIDERED BORDERLINE TREES, WHICH ARE TREES THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY BE SAVED, BUT NOT FOR SURE.

JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE LOTS ARE DEVELOPED OUT.

HERE IS THE LANDSCAPE EXHIBIT. A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THAT, SHOWING THAT 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AS WELL AS THAT TEN FOOT WALL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE EASEMENT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT TEN FOOT EASEMENT, THAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE EASEMENT, IT WOULD BE HOME TO AN EIGHT FOOT TALL SCREENING WALL.

SO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE ACCESS TO 114.

SO THIS HATCHED AREA HERE REPRESENTS A AREA TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

AND IT WOULD BE PRIVATE ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

SO HERE IS THE FENCING PLAN FOR THE SITE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG THE 114 BOUNDARY, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT EASEMENT, AND THE 50 FOOT SETBACK, AS WELL AS THE OTHER FENCING AND SCREENING AROUND THE PROPERTY.

HERE'S THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PLAN. THE PRELIMINARY GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN.

HERE'S THE UTILITY PLAN SHOWING THOSE CONNECTIONS TO SHADY OAKS.

THE VARIANCE REQUESTED ARE FOUR SETBACKS. THEY ARE IN LINE WITH SF 28, EXCEPT FOR LOT 3, WHICH WILL HAVE 25 FOOT STREET SIDE YARD SETBACKS. THE GATED ENTRY TO 114 WILL BE EXCLUSIVE FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND, LIKE I SAID, MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. AND THERE'S ALSO A VARIANCE FOR CUL DE SAC DIAMETER.

SO THE STANDARD WILL BE 100FT AND 110 FOOT DIAMETER RIGHT OF WAY.

SO NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES HAVE BEEN RECEIVED THUS FAR AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT IT.

YEAH. AND I KNOW THIS CASE STRETCHED OUT A LITTLE BIT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING PART OF THIS.

BUT I GUESS SINCE THIS COMMISSION HAS SEEN IT THE PRIMARY CHANGE IS THAT THE KIND OF THE SETBACKS HAVE KIND OF BEEN PUSHED FARTHER OFF OF HIGHWAY. STATE HIGHWAY 114 AT THE BEHEST OF CITY COUNCIL REQUEST.

IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. I GUESS ANY OTHER MAJOR CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOCUSING ON HERE, OR IS WAS THAT MOSTLY SO FROM THE LAST ONE, I BELIEVE THEY ARE LOOKING TO GO TO SF20A ZONING, WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY IT WAS RPD. BUT YEAH, THE BIG NOTABLE CHANGE WOULD BE THAT INCREASE IN THE SETBACK THERE.

OKAY, OKAY. NO. AND I KNOW YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, AGAIN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS CASES, WE DON'T REALLY TYPICALLY ENTERTAIN LAND USE CHANGES UNLESS IT HAS, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT RESIDENT SUPPORT, WHICH THIS ONE HISTORICALLY HAS HAD. AND IT REPRESENTS A DOWN ZONING WITHIN THE INTENSITY OF THE USE, WHICH IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS PROVIDES. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION. AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WHEN WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT I'VE FORGOTTEN IF IT HAS BEEN, SO WHAT'S DRAWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW SHOWS AN ENTRANCE RAMP THERE.

BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RAMP REVERSALS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE FUTURE HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHETHER THE CONFIGURATION OF THE ON RAMPS AND OFF RAMPS WOULD CHANGE AND WOULD SOMEHOW BE AN IMPACT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCE.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THE PLANS ON THAT, ARE THERE? THERE'S PRELIMINARY PLANS AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IT AFFECTS THIS SEGMENT HERE.

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AND THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY CONSTRUCT THAT, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT FROM TXDOT FOR THAT APPROACH THERE.

BUT IN LOOKING AT THE REVERSAL PLAN, IT DOES NOT AFFECT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.

JUST ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION ON KIND OF THE BORDERLINE OF THE PROPERTY THERE, 114.

WAS THERE A LANDSCAPE PLAN OR SOMETHING YOU COULD KIND OF SHOW? AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT I GUESS JUST. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH.

NO NO, NO. IT'S PERFECT. THIS RIGHT HERE? YES.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. NO, I JUST. AND I CAN KIND OF ASK THAT AGAIN, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH. SO THIS WOULD BE THE THE 50 FOOT REAR SETBACK.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER WITH THE 8 FOOT MASONRY WALL IN THE MIDDLE.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME ON UP.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND MAYBE JUST KIND OF REALLY QUICKLY IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THIS, RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS VERSIONS WE'VE SEEN, WE DON'T WANT TO KIND OF RELITIGATE, BUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO, TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST PART OF THIS QUICKLY.

SINCE YOU'VE SEEN IT'S OBVIOUS COMMERCIAL. WE DID DO PLANS RELATIVE TO THAT.

THOSE WERE PRETTY MUCH UNIVERSALLY NOT LIKED BY OUR NEIGHBORS.

I'M BEING ASKED TO MAKE SURE YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WHICH I THINK WE ALL HAVE MEMORIZED, BUT I'LL.

CURTIS YOUNG, 1130 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. THANK YOU.

OKAY. KEEP GOING. KEEP ROLLING PLEASE. THIS IS THE OFFICE.

COMMERCIAL LAYOUT. THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

AT ONE POINT, WE TRIED A KIND OF A COMBINATION SOUTH OF THE DRAINAGE, GOING RESIDENTIAL, NORTH OF THE DRAINAGE, GOING OFFICE COMMERCIAL. THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER.

AND THEY ALSO DIDN'T LIKE THE LOCATION OF THIS ENTRY HERE, BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN ACROSS THE STREET DIDN'T WANT IT THERE.

AND THEY AND WE JOINTLY SUGGESTED IT BE CHANGED TO HERE, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT STREET.

SO WE DID THAT. THIS WAS BASICALLY THE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS SAW AND APPROVED LAST TIME THAT WE TOOK THE COUNCIL COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ON THIS. SO IT'S LOST, I GUESS, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT, IT'S LOST TWO MORE LOTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? 29 TO 27. THIS ISN'T THE ONE WE'RE PROPOSING.

NO, NO. THIS. YEAH. IT'S LOST. TWO MORE LOTS.

YEAH. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. COUNCIL WERE OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ON THIS.

SOME OF THEM FELT LIKE THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAYER OF COMMERCIAL ON 114.

SOME OF THEM THOUGHT IT OUGHT TO ALL BE RESIDENTIAL.

AND BY THE END OF THE DISCUSSION, BASICALLY, THEY ALL FELT THAT THERE SHOULD BE, AT THE VERY LEAST, A BIGGER BUFFER ON THERE. AND CLEARLY THE NEIGHBORS WANT IT TO BE ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SO I THINK THE WAY TO THE END OF THIS IS TO TRY TO STICK WITH NONRESIDENTIAL AND MAKE IT WORK WITH LARGER BUFFER ALONG 114, WHICH IS WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO. WE DID COME BACK WITH THIS PLAN WITH 30 LOTS WITH THAT LARGER BUFFER THERE, BUT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO BE AN RPD, AND WE NEED TO WAIT SIX MONTHS TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO US THE FAVOR OF DENYING IT WITH OUT BRIDGES. SO RATHER THAN WAIT SIX MONTHS, WE'VE BITTEN THE BULLET AND GONE WITH A SF20 PLAN. WE'VE LOST THREE LOTS FROM THE 30 TO DO THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, AS WAYNE WAS SAYING, THERE'S THERE'S A GOOD 100FT HERE.

THIS IS A NATURAL BUFFER THAT WILL REMAIN. THEN WE'LL PUT THE WALL 50FT BACK, AND THEN THE BACK 50FT OF THESE LOTS WILL BE A TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT AND AND WON'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURES IN IT.

AND HOPEFULLY THE MAJORITY OF THAT CAN BE SAVED.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE HEARD THAT THEY WANTED 100FT.

THOSE HOMES SET BACK FROM THE THE FREEWAY RIGHT AWAY, 100FT.

SO THIS ACCOMPLISHES THAT. I THINK I LIKE THIS YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE, THE THE ROAD IN AND TURN IT.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE ROOM TO DO THAT ANYMORE. AND AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THIS BETTER.

ANYWAY, IT COMES IN AND LOOKS AT SOME OPEN SPACE.

AND I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE GREAT LOTS.

OKAY. AND REALLY, I GUESS YOU KIND OF HEARD MY QUESTION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THE WALL IT'S NOT SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, STARK LOOKING KIND OF BERLIN WALL TYPE.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT, IN FRONT OF IT AND BEHIND IT. EXISTING TREE PRESERVATION,

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BUT THERE'S ALSO A, IT'S THE REAR BUFFER YARD YOU GET ON RESIDENTIAL LAYOUTS.

THERE IS A 25 FOOT BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENT ALONG 114.

AND THAT HAS A REQUIREMENT OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TREES.

WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY TREES THERE ALREADY, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THAT REQUIREMENT IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF WITH THOSE.

BUT IF NOT, WE'VE SHOWN A LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND THOSE ARE THOSE THOSE RED TREES, JUST BECAUSE THEY THEY MATCH UP TO THE BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENTS.

AND WILL THE WALL HAVE ANY KIND OF ARTICULATION ON IT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A. WE DON'T THINK THE WALL WILL BE SEEN FROM ANYONE, BECAUSE IT'LL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TREES.

AND WHAT THERE AREN'T TREES IN FRONT OF IT. THAT'S WHERE WE'LL PUT ANY PLANTINGS IF THERE ARE ANY LOCATIONS THERE, SO. OKAY. YOU KNOW, MAYBE FOR COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE KIND OF A RENDERING OF WHAT THAT MIGHT, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT WILL BE. I KNOW I HEARD THAT COMMENT FROM THEM ABOUT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SOME WALLS KIND OF UP ON 14, AS YOU KNOW, IN TROPHY CLUB THAT ARE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S THE AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME EXISTING TREES THERE BUT JUST.

YEAH. NO THIS WILL HELP. I JUST I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY HELP THAT DISCUSSION MOVE ALONG.

YEAH. YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY TREES AND EVEN THOSE GREEN TREES ALONG THERE THAT'S PRETTY SOLID IN THERE.

THERE MAY BE 1 OR 2 PLACES WHERE IT'S OPEN UP, BUT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WALL WON'T BE SEEN ALONG THERE.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF A SECTION SHOWING WHERE THE WALL WOULD BE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NATURAL TREES THAT ARE THERE.

AND WE MAY NEED TO ADD SOME ORNAMENTAL TREES TO MEET THE STANDARDS.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S PRETTY, OUR INTENT IS TO TOTALLY SCREEN THAT WALL WITH LANDSCAPING.

I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, BECAUSE BUILDING I GUESS YOU WOULD BUILD IT FROM THE LOTS FROM INSIDE, BECAUSE YOU'RE KEEPING THE NATURAL VEGETATION, RIGHT? WELL, WE IT'LL PROBABLY BE BUILT BY THE DEVELOPER AS OPPOSED TO THE BUILDER, THAT PARTICULAR WALL.

SO WE PUT A TEN FOOT EASEMENT DOWN THAT LINE.

SO ONCE THE STREETS ARE BUILT, THEY'LL PROBABLY COME DOWN THAT EASEMENT AND BUILD THE THE WALL LIKE THAT.

OKAY. WELL, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE A DISTINCTION OF, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY WALL MAINTENANCE ISSUES IF THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY AND THE THE WALL IS VEGETATION, AND SO YOU'D ONLY BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN FROM THE INTERIOR LOT.

WELL, IT IS VEGETATION, BUT IT'S ALSO AN HOA LOT.

SO THEY'LL, THE HOA WHICH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THIS WALL.

WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT THROUGH THAT VEGETATION.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A JUNGLE. YOU CAN GET THROUGH THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN THERE, BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THERE FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO MAINTAIN THAT WALL.

OKAY. YEAH. AGAIN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

SOMETHING TO PUT IN MOTION JUST TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN BRING SOME KIND OF.

AND MAYBE IT'S PHOTOGRAPHY FROM THE ROAD. JUST SOMETHING THAT VISUALLY SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, WHAT YOU THINK IT'LL LOOK LIKE, MAYBE A RENDERING OR JUST SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HELPS GIVE PEOPLE COMFORT THAT THAT'LL LOOK NICE ALONG.

114 OKAY. WELL, THAT'S BASICALLY IT FOR ME. YEAH, I GUESS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR TOPICS? WELL, APPRECIATE YOU BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COUNCIL, SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEMS NUMBER 6 AND 7, OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO WHAT I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IS OPEN UP THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH THOSE ITEMS AT THE SAME TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, I CAN KIND OF LAY OUT THE RULES OF THE ROAD. IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME UP AND COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS? AND SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A BETTER VERSION THAN WHAT WE SAW AND APPROVED LESS DENSE, FARTHER BACK FROM THE ROAD I LIKE.

HOPEFULLY THEY CAN KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE ALONG THE FREEWAY THAT WILL HOPEFULLY LOOK VISUALLY APPEALING.

AND THEN I JUST WISH THE APPLICANT GOOD LUCK AT COUNCIL TO TRY TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH WORK THROUGH SOMETHING TO APPROVAL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS PEOPLE HAVE OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I GUESS PROBABLY ONE AT A TIME ON EACH ITEM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER 6.

CASE CP25-0003, REFERENCING STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER THE 12TH OF 2025.

AND WE WOULD ALSO REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A DRAWING OF THE FINISHED BUFFER WALL WITH LANDSCAPE FEATURES TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR COUNCIL. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, I THINK SOUNDED PRETTY GOOD.

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AND MOTION PASSES 5-0. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 7 NOW.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 7, CASE ZA25-0057, REFERENCES STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER THE 12TH OF 2025 AND FURTHER REFERENCING THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NO.

03, DATED 9/12 OF 25. OKAY. AND WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY GRANT THE VARIANCE.

I WOULD INCLUDE THE OTHER CONDITION THAT YOU LISTED WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER ATTACHED TO THE CONCEPT PLAN.

OH INCLUDE INCLUDE THE THE WALL RENDERING COMMENT ON THIS MOTION AS WELL.

OKAY. OKAY. AND FURTHER ADDING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A DRAWING OF THE FINISHED BUFFER WALL WITH LANDSCAPE FEATURES FOR THE UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING. AND DENNIS, I'M ASSUMING WE ALSO NEED TO ADD THAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY GRANTING THE REQUESTED VARIANCE.

THAT IS CORRECT AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. WE CAN NOTE THAT.

SURE. AND REFERENCING THE GRANTING OF ALL THE VARIANCES REQUESTED.

OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. NOW. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. VOTE, PLEASE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES 5-0. AND I BELIEVE, DENNIS, I GUESS OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE TUESDAY, OCTOBER 7TH, THAT THIS APPLICATION IS LIKELY TO BE TARGETED.

SO GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AND COUNCIL AND GOOD LUCK AT THAT MEETING.

SO ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

[8. Consider: ZA25-0058, Preliminary Plat for property described as Tract 5B02C and 5B02D1 , Samuel Freeman Survey, Abstract No. 525, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 410 and 414 Shady Lane. Current Zoning: "SF-1A" Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING]

SORRY. YES.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, EVERYBODY. LOOKING AT ITEM 8, AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 410 AND 414, SHADY LANE. SO THE PROPOSAL IS FOR IS TO CREATE TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON JUST UNDER TWO AND A HALF ACRES. HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT EAST OF KIMBALL AND NORTH OF 114 ON SHADY LANE THERE.

FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. CURRENT ZONING IS SF-1A.

SO HERE IS A VIEW. LOOKING SOUTHWEST OFF OF SHADY LANE AND LOOKING NORTHWEST OFF OF SHADY LANE.

SO HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SHOWING THE TWO LOTS, OR SORRY.

EXCUSE ME. THE SHOWING THE TRACKS. SO TRACK NUMBER ONE AND TRACK NUMBER TWO RIGHT HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A PANHANDLE. LOT, NUMBER 2 IS PANHANDLE.

SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PANHANDLE LOTS ARE PROHIBITED.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE ON THAT TO MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THAT VARIANCE.

ONE OF THESE ITEMS IN THE FIRST SECTION NEED TO BE MET, AND ALL THREE ITEMS IN THE SECOND SECTION NEED TO BE MET. SO HERE'S THE JUSTIFICATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

THEY ARE ARGUING THAT THERE WILL BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, GIVEN THAT IT IS CURRENTLY AN UNPLATTED TRACT.

THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE OR THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH JUST CUTTING THEM IN HALF BECAUSE IT WOULD CREATE ODDLY SHAPED LOTS.

ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE RELATIVELY LONG AND NARROW, ROUGHLY 110 BY 450FT EACH, AND THEIR CONTENTION IS THAT IT IS SIMPLY THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE SITE CONDITIONS, AND WOULD PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHARACTER.

SO HERE IS THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED.

NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES HAVE BEEN RECEIVED THUS FAR.

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I GUESS IT'S STAFF'S VIEW THAT THE CRITERIA THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS LAID OUT REGARDING PANHANDLE LOTS HERE IS HAS NOT BEEN MET. SO I CAN VERIFY THAT THESE THREE IN THE BOTTOM SECTION, ALL THREE OF WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO BE MET, ARE MET. SO THE AREA OF THE, OR THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THAT PANHANDLE LOT, IF YOU CUT OFF THAT PANHANDLE SECTION, DOES STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SF-1A ZONING.

SO IT'S STILL AN ACRE THE LENGTH OF THAT OR THE WIDTH, I SHOULD SAY, OF THAT PANHANDLE SECTION IS 24FT, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR MINIMUM EMERGENCY ACCESS.

AND IT WILL MEET THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS AS IT IS SHOWN.

OKAY. AND OUR POSITION IS, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THE JUSTIFICATIONS TO THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE MET THE OTHER CRITERIA OF THAT VARIANCE.

OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE AGAIN TO WHERE IT WAS? YEAH. OKAY. SO TALK TOPOGRAPHY. OKAY. OR IF IT'S GOING TO DISAPPEAR OR.

OKAY. OKAY. SO THERE'S A, B AND C THE FIRST ONES.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND THEN MAYBE JUST KIND OF GIVE A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT.

HI. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. I'M WITH GREER DESIGNS AND ENGINEERING.

CAN YOU KIND OF PULL THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER? YOU CAN KIND OF PULL IT IF YOU WANT. JUST A LITTLE CLOSER.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? BETTER NOW? PERFECT. YEAH. COOL. HI, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. I'M WITH GREER DESIGNS AND ENGINEERING, AND I THINK HE DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THE PROJECT AND EVERYTHING.

THE VARIANCE THAT WE REQUESTED. SO, AS YOU GUYS JUST HEARD WE JUST WANT TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR THE FLAG LAWS TO BE APPROVED AS WE BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'LL BE A NICE SQUARE LOT WHEN WE DIVIDE IT THAT WAY.

SO A VERY GOOD DESIGN OF A GREAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HOUSE CAN BE BUILT THERE.

OKAY. AND, STAFF, DO YOU MIND? I GUESS GOING BACK ONE SLIDE ON THE PRESENTATION.

YOU KNOW, FLAG LOTS HAVE BEEN A LONG HISTORICAL TOPIC HERE IN TOWN THAT HAS CAUSED A LOT OF CONSTERNATION AMONGST NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF LARGER LOTS AND THERE'S A LOT OF ABILITY TO KIND OF CUT AND PASTE A LOT OF THESE UP LIKE THAT.

AND A FEW OF THEM HAVE BEEN DONE. THEY'VE, I GUESS NOT BEEN WELL RECEIVED BY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.

SO THAT'S WHY CITY COUNCIL KIND OF PUT THIS CRITERIA IN.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT ON THIS FIRST SET OF CRITERIA THAT REALLY ANY OF THOSE ARE AT PLAY HERE.

I MEAN, I GUESS ON THE THIRD ONE, THAT ONE CAN BE COULD BE SUBJECTIVE.

I CONCEDE THAT, BUT I GUESS THE FIRST TWO THERE'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, TOPOGRAPHY RELATED ISSUE THAT'S MAKING YOU DO THIS.

AND IT'S NOT A TEMPORARY SITUATION WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD BEHIND IT.

SO THE FIRST TWO REALLY AREN'T SATISFIED. IS THAT FAIR? I AGREE, LIKE THE THIRD ONE IS THE IS THE CLOSEST ONE.

THE FIRST ONE. ALSO, WE BELIEVE THE PANHANDLE LOT APPEARS TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE AGAIN WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ELONGATED LOT KIND OF A PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? SO IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE A COMMON DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THESE TWO LOTS RATHER THAN HAVING THE FLAG LOT.

WE DID CONSIDER A COMMON DRIVEWAY BETWEEN HOWEVER, HAVING A COMMON DRIVEWAY AGAIN IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.

YOU SAID WHAT? IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUE IF YOU CUT IT IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS DIVIDING THE LOT INTO TWO EQUAL HALVES, WHICH IS ELONGATED AGAIN. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF IF WE NEED YOU ON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? AND SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND. OH, COME ON, COME ON.

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I'M HELEN HANSEN CLARY. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT TONIGHT, SO I HAVE TO HAVE I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THIS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF. MANY OLD GROWTH OAK TREES ON THAT PROPERTY THAT ARE, WE HAVE A HERD OF DEER THAT LIKE TO COME HANG OUT THERE.

I SEE THEM REGULARLY. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES.

SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT DOWN THE ROAD. BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.

DIFFERENT SITUATION. BUT THEY STARTED CUTTING DOWN TREES, AND I HAD A PHONE CALL TO OUR CITY OFFICES, AND THEY STOPPED THEM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER TREES THAT WERE GOING TO TAKE DOWN. AND THAT'S A CONCERN.

I'VE LIVED ON MY HOUSE AT 415 SHADY LANE, 30 YEARS THIS NOVEMBER.

SO OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY DEAR TO MY HEART AND I WANT THE BEST FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S BEEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHANGES THROUGH THE YEARS, AND I'M GRATEFUL.

SO FAR IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT I NEED TO DO SOME THINKING ABOUT THAT AND SEE WHERE THE TREE SITUATION IS.

WE DO HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES OCCASIONALLY, TOO, THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET, THEY'VE LOWERED OUR LANE AND REDONE IT, THE ROAD ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD SOME RETENTION PONDS RIGHT AT 114 AND SHADY.

THAT HELPED. BUT IT'S BEEN INTERESTING WHEN THEY'RE PLUGGED OR SOMETHING, IT CAN BE A MESS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE UP ON CANOPY COURT.

SO I GET THE BRUNT OF THE WATER. I'M NOT SURE WITH THIS WEATHER THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE.

THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE TOO. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK.

YEAH. NO, THANK YOU. WE KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY ACTIVE.

WE'VE HEARD FROM THEM EARLY AND OFTEN UP HERE.

PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA? AND SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MAYBE JUST TO DELIBERATE BEFORE WE CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT YOU KNOW, TREES, DRAINAGE, ETCETERA.

I MEAN, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC, I GUESS IN THIS CASE WHERE THERE'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS THE ONLY VARIANCE BEING REQUESTED.

THE ONLY AREA THAT WE HAVE KIND OF LATITUDE IS OVER IF WE'RE GOING TO GRANT A FLAG LOT OR NOT.

IN TERMS OF THIS BODY AND WHAT WE CAN RECOMMEND THIS EVENING.

I GUESS YOU KNOW, MYSELF AND I KNOW OTHERS, INCLUDING DR.

SPRINGER, HAVE BEEN UP HERE FOR MANY FLAG LOT CASES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT COUNCIL HAS KIND OF SHOWN US IS UNLESS THERE'S A REALLY GOOD CASE FOR THERE TO BE ONE, THEY GENERALLY HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTIVE. AND I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD A GREAT REASON IN THIS CASE.

SO I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE. AND MY GUESS IS THE NEIGHBORS KIND OF MAYBE TUNE IN A LITTLE MORE.

MY GUESS IS THEY WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE. BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE ONLY HEARD FROM ONE RESIDENT TONIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT. WELL, I PRETTY MUCH REFLECT WHAT YOU SAY.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE GOING ON.

AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, SETTING A PRECEDENT BY DOING ONE ESPECIALLY THAT REALLY HAS NO HARDSHIP OTHER THAN JUST IT DOESN'T MEET THE LOT SIZE THAT THE PERSON WANTS THE PROPORTIONS TO BE EXACTLY THE WAY THEY WANT IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VALID REASON FOR THE FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER? YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE SAID.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT HAVING A 100 FOOT BY 450 FOOT LOT.

THAT'S NOT IDEAL. AND THESE ARE PROBABLY MORE TYPICAL SHAPED.

BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SET THAT PRECEDENT AND CREATE A VARIANCE WHEN I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP.

SO I DON'T THINK I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH IT. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I MIGHT GO AHEAD. AND IF, ASSUMING THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, MIGHT CALL OUR APPLICANT BACK UP.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST COME ON BACK UP TO THE PODIUM.

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WE CAN KIND OF TAKE A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

WOULD IT BE A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE PASSED ON TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH THEIR NEXT MEETING IS ON OCTOBER 7TH.

SOUNDS LIKE KIND OF FROM THE DAIS HERE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COMFORT IN REQUESTING IT.

SO MY GUESS IS IT PROBABLY WON'T GET A REQUEST TO BE APPROVED.

BUT WHAT YOUR RIGHTS ARE IS, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S A REQUEST TO BE DENIED OR APPROVED, YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 7TH IF YOU WANT.

AND HAVE THEM HEAR IT AS WELL. THEY'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE RECOMMENDED.

BUT YOU CAN DO THAT PART OF THE PROCESS. OR YOU COULD ALWAYS REQUEST A TABLE AND SEE IF YOU THINK YOU CAN PROVE YOUR CASE UP A LITTLE MORE.

I IN THIS CASE AND IT'S FULLY YOUR RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MORE WE'D LEARN IF YOU DID THAT, BUT THAT'S ALSO YOUR RIGHT AS WELL, SO I FIGURED I'D LET YOU KNOW.

I GUESS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US TAKING A VOTE THIS EVENING? AND. CAN I TRY TO PROVIDE A FEW EXPLANATIONS RIGHT NOW? SURE, SURE. SO I GUESS IF WE DIVIDE IT IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS AGAIN, WE WILL MEET THE CRITERIA OF SF-1 ZONING.

IT WILL BE ABOUT 110FT IN THE FRONT FRONTAGE OF WHICH THE SIDE SETBACK WILL BE 20FT ON EACH SIDE, WHICH IS 20FT ON THE LEFT, 20FT ON RIGHT. SO ESSENTIALLY THE BUILDING FRONTAGE IS ONLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 65 ISH, 70, 70FT. SO IN SOUTHLAKE AND THIS IS A PRIME NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, WITH AMAZING HOUSES ALL AROUND.

WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE 60FT TO 65FT FRONTAGE IS NOT GOING TO GIVE JUSTICE TO THE HOUSE THAT MY OWNER IS PLANNING TO BUILD OVER THERE.

SO WE JUST WANT TO KNOW AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, I MEAN, I THINK SOME OF THAT IS INTENTIONAL.

I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'LL HEAR, THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA SAY IT'S A LOWER DENSITY AREA OF TOWN.

AND IT'S SOMEWHAT INTENTIONAL ALL THAT. THE ORDINANCES ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, SUPER BROAD TO ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. SO I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S YOUR RIGHT, I BELIEVE.

AND STAFF CAN KIND OF CONFIRM THAT, THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DIVIDE IT IN HALF, I THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY THE CRITERIA, ALBEIT TO YOUR POINT IT WOULD BE MORE NARROW LOTS.

BUT THAT'S REALLY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. AND WE UP HERE HAVE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T MAKE IT UP AS WE GO.

WE HAVE TO KIND OF HONOR THE ORDINANCES AND TRY TO INTERPRET THEM.

SO I GUESS I'LL GO BACK TO THE OWNER AND DISCUSS.

SO I GUESS RIGHT NOW. WITH THE, WITH A PLAT, THERE IS A PARTICULAR, THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE A 30 DAY WAIVER REQUEST. YEAH. HOWEVER THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT EITHER THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES.

YEAH. THEIR ABILITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT. ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT THAT'S REQUIRED WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS ALTHOUGH THEY'RE SHOWING THE TREES, WE DON'T HAVE A PRESERVATION PLAN SUBMITTED WITH THAT THAT IDENTIFIES THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE.

AND WHAT OF THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE? WHICH IN A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT, BASED ON THAT PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE, THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED. OUR SUGGESTION IS THAT THE COMMISSION TAKE AN ACTION BASED ON WHATEVER CONDITIONS OF THOSE THE APPLICANT AGREES TO ADDRESS, AND THEN RESUBMIT THOSE TO GO TO COUNCIL, OR IF THEY NEED TO REQUEST A 30 DAY WAIVER FROM COUNCIL TO TAKE CONSIDERATION OF THAT ITEM.

OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK WHAT DENNIS IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT TO HELP PRESERVE TIMING OF YOUR APPLICATION AND DENNIS JUMP IN HERE.

IF I'M NOT SAYING IT RIGHT, IT'S BEST IF THIS BOARD TAKES A VOTE THIS EVENING.

YOU KNOW, PRO CON, WHATEVER IT IS, SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL WHERE AT THAT POINT YOU CAN EITHER.

DENNIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU COULD, YOU COULD WAIVE YOU COULD KIND OF DELAY FOR 30 DAYS.

YOU COULD ACTUALLY WITHDRAW YOUR CASE. I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THE STATE LAW ALLOWS THEM TO REQUEST A 30 DAY WAIVER, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE TIME FOR THE TREE INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED.

YES. OTHERWISE, I GO TO COUNSEL AND WHATEVER ACTION IS TAKEN ON THE PLAT, IF IT DOESN'T MEET REQUIREMENTS,

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THERE'S A SUBMITTAL SCHEDULE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO RESUBMIT UNTIL YOU MEET ALL THOSE CONDITIONS AND EITHER GET APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE OR MEET ALL THE CONDITIONS TO WHERE THE COUNCIL IS OBLIGATED TO APPROVE IT.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THIS IS ALL COMING OUT OF CHAPTER 212 OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ON SUBDIVISION.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I GUESS WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THAT TO THIS BOARD KIND OF TAKING A VOTE? AND WE CAN EVEN NOTE MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO NOTE IN THE MOTION OR NOT, THAT THIS IS KIND OF IN AN EFFORT TO KIND OF KEEP THE CASE MOVING.

THE APPLICANT WILL FURTHER KIND OF TRY TO ENHANCE OR ADDRESS HIS APPLICATION PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.

ALL THAT IS TECHNICALLY NECESSARY IS JUST THE BASIS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DENYING IT.

OKAY. WHAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH. UNLESS, LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IS AGREEING TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

THEN YOU YOU WOULD APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS REMAINING IN THIS REVIEW SUMMARY.

OKAY, WHICH IS WHAT WILL BE READ INTO THE MOTION I GUESS.

IS THAT FAIR? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? RIGHT NOW THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE PANHANDLE, THEY ARE ALSO NOT CONFORMING WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T INDICATED WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO ON THAT.

WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPTION OF HERE IS EITHER TO AGREE TO COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THIS AND PRESENT A CONFORMING PLAN TO THE COUNCIL, OR LEAVE THE REQUEST AS THEY HAVE MADE IT, REQUESTING THE VARIANCE SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REVIEW SUMMARY.

AND THEN IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE, YOU CAN DENY IT ON THAT BASIS.

OKAY. CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? GO AHEAD. ASK YOUR QUESTION.

REGARDING THE TREE PRESERVATION. WE DID WE DID SPEAK WITH THE CITY STAFF.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE A COMMENT HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR ACTUALLY GRANTED US A WAIVER FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, THE TREE PRESERVATION REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW WE ACTUALLY END UP CUTTING THE LOT, RIGHT. SO. SO YOU'VE AGREED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THE SIDE. AND I UNDERSTAND RIGHT? YEAH. THE TREE PRESERVATION THAT TONIGHT'S ACTION IS REALLY BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO HOLD REQUESTS OF THE OF THE VARIANCE AND LEAVE THAT IN PLACE.

AND WHETHER THE COMMISSION AGREES WITH THAT OR NOT.

IF YOU DO NOT, THEN YOU'RE IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO DENY A VOTE ON THE BASIS THAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS.

WE EITHER APPROVE IT AS REQUESTED OR WE CAN DENY IT IN TERMS OF NOT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND IS THAT THE PREFERRED WAY TO GO ABOUT IT? I GUESS THERE COULD BE APPROVE IT BUT DECLINE THE VARIANCE.

OR WOULD WE RATHER JUST DENY IT? WELL, UNLESS HE RETRACTS HIS VARIANCE THEY DO NOT INTEND TO COMPLY WITH THE. WITH THE FLAG LOT ORDINANCE, SO THEREFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE TO DENY AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.

SO I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT AS TO WHETHER THEY WANT TO OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL.

WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO. RIGHT. I'M IN A DILEMMA RIGHT NOW.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK EVEN DENNIS, IF IT'LL MOVE ON AND THEY COULD ALWAYS TAKE THE VARIANCE OUT AND KEEP GOING THROUGH COUNCIL, RIGHT? EVEN IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND? CORRECT, YES.

SO EITHER WAY, YOU CAN. FOLLOWING YOUR ACTION, THEY CAN SUBMIT A CONFORMING PLAT AND WE'LL REVIEW THAT AND GET IT TO COUNCIL.

WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT LIKE BY MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK.

SO. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'LL DO, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

WE'LL TAKE A VOTE THIS EVENING ON THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED.

POTENTIALLY A MOTION TO DENY. WE'LL SEE. AND THEN THAT CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE ON TO THE OCTOBER 7TH COUNCIL MEETING, WHERE THE APPLICANT CAN DECIDE EITHER TO PRESENT IT AGAIN IN ITS CURRENT FORM OR COULD REMOVE THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

EITHER WAY, THE APPLICANT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE COMMITTING TO CONFORM TO THE TREE ORDINANCE IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

[00:45:03]

AND, YOU KNOW, THE QUICKEST TIME PERIOD. SO OKAY.

PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOOD NOW.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I GUESS WE'LL LIKELY ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DENY.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY.

ITEM 8, CASE ZA25-0058 REFERENCING STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER THE 12TH, 2025 AND FURTHER REFERENCING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1, DATED 9/12 OF 2025.

OKAY, DENNIS, WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. REMEMBER, A VOTE YES IS TO DENY. SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. A DENIAL BASED ON THE VARIANCE REQUESTED WITHIN THE APPLICATION.

YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, IF YOU'D LIKE, TO MOVE IT ALONG TO THE OCTOBER 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHERE YOU CAN EITHER INCLUDE THAT VARIANCE REQUEST OR NOT.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D WANT TO CONFIRM THAT A TREE ORDINANCE. AND IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTS, I GUESS KEEP AN EYE ON THE CALENDAR AND YOU CAN SEE IF THEY ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY PRESENT THAT OCTOBER 7TH MEETING OR NOT. SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR PATIENCE GETTING THROUGH THAT ONE.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DID IT RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 9.

IF CITY STAFF WOULD HONOR US WITH A PRESENTATION THERE.

[9. Consider: ZA25-0060, Plat Showing for Lots 14 and 15, A. H. Chivers No. 299 Addition, on property described as Tracts 2, 2B, and 2B01, A. H. Chivers Survey Abstract No. 299, and located at 1900 N. Carroll Ave. and 1100 Primrose Lane. Current Zoning: "AG" Agricultural District. SPIN Neighborhood #3.]

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, EVERYBODY. AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER ITEM 9, PLAT SHOWING FOR 1900 NORTH CARROL AND 1100 PRIMROSE.

THE EXISTING TRACKS ARE IN TOTAL, ABOUT 0.93 ACRES.

THIS PLOT SHOWING WOULD CREATE TWO LOTS, ONE BEING JUST OVER 4/10 OF AN ACRE AND THE OTHER JUST OVER HALF OF AN ACRE.

SO HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTIES. THERE'S 1100 PRIMROSE AND 1900 NORTH CAROL, CURRENTLY MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONED AG. SO HERE IS A STREET VIEW FROM NORTH CARROLL FACING WEST AND A VIEW FACING NORTH FROM PRIMROSE LANE. SO DO LOT BOUNDARIES BEING PROPOSED WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS HAVING PREVIOUSLY GRANTED VARIANCES FOR LOT AREA WIDTH AND DEPTH FOR BOTH. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON AUGUST 14TH WAS WHEN THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS HEARD THE CASE TO APPROVE THESE VARIANCES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE ABOUT.

OKAY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GOOD.

I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT MAYBE SHOWED THE SITE.

NO, THIS. SO THERE ARE JUST TO PUT ON THE RECORD.

THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS ALONG CARROLL THROUGH THIS.

CORRECT, YES. OKAY. AND THEN MAYBE JUST CONFIRMING WITH CITY STAFF, LIKE IN OUR WORK SESSION, THAT THERE COULD BE SOME LATITUDE ON STAFF'S SIDE IN TERMS OF A REQUEST ON WHICH STREET THE DRIVEWAY FRONTS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS WELL AS DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE ALLOWS RESTRICTION TO ARTERIAL STREETS IF OTHER ACCESS IS AVAILABLE TO THE LOTS. SO OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 9? OKAY. DO YOU MIND COMING ON UP? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND WE'LL GO THROUGH A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS.

CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL. STEVE FULTZ, 3417 MADISON COURT, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY DAUGHTER, SOPHIA FOLTZ.

AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING NICE HAPPEN WITH 1900 CARROLL.

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OR THEY OPPOSED ANOTHER PERSON THAT WAS GOING TO DO ON THIS LOT.

SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS LOT BEFORE. ANYHOW, NOW, WITH THE HOME NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS A RENTAL HOME.

THE DOCTOR, HE OWNS THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S THAT. BUT WE ENDED UP WORKING OUT A DEAL, AND WE ARE INCREASING THAT LITTLE BITTY LOT TO A HALF ACRE ON CAROL, WHICH WE THINK WILL BE A REALLY NICE, BEAUTIFUL SETBACK IN THERE FOR OUR BEAUTIFUL SPOT, FOR A BEAUTIFUL HOME FOR MY DAUGHTER.

WE'VE LIVED HERE 20 YEARS. MY DAUGHTER WENT TO CARROLL.

SHE WANTS TO STAY HERE. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT YOU HERE HAVE TO SAY.

OKAY. THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF WHAT OUR WORK SESSION DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON IS THE ABILITY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF'S GOING TO TRY TO REVIEW THIS IN BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND CITY COUNCIL, THE DRIVEWAY PLACEMENT, JUST GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON CARROLL.

THE SPEED OF THAT TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS 30 UNFORTUNATELY, USUALLY IT'S A LITTLE FASTER.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CREST OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

SO VISIBILITY IS MAYBE A LITTLE LIMITED. AND TO THE EXTENT THERE CAN BE A DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, OFF OF JUST PRIMROSE VERSUS HAVING ONE ON CARROLL.

AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN ONE ON CARROLL THERE FOR A WHILE. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT THE ROADS ARE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THAT OLD HOUSE WAS BUILT THERE.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WERE LOOKING AT BECAUSE WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER HOMES ALONG CARROLL AND WE GET ISSUES WHERE DELIVERY TRUCKS PARK OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO PULL IN. AMAZON TRUCKS. IF THEY'RE HAVING MULTIPLE PEOPLE OVER, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO WHERE CARS CAN KIND OF BE PARKED INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, LIKE A SOME KIND OF CIRCLE DRIVE OR SEMI-CIRCLE, JUST SOMETHING WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PLACE TO PUT CARS OFF THE STREET.

SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IF THERE'S AN ABILITY TO PUT THAT ACCESS ON, OFF PRIMROSE FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND TRAFFIC THAT THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.

AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF'S GOING TO REVIEW BECAUSE THEY HAVE, I GUESS, PUBLIC WORKS OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE WHICH GROUP REVIEWS THAT.

PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HAS ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY OVER THOSE ISSUES.

AND IF IT'S A CONCERN YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION WITH REFERENCE TO PER WHAT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 483 ALLOWS, IN TERMS OF RESTRICTED ACCESS TO ARTERIALS AS WELL AS THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634.

YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS DOES ANY OF THAT MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AN IDEAL WORLD WHERE THAT PLACEMENT.

YEAH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE PLAN FOR THE HOME DOES HAVE A DRIVEWAY.

JUST A REALLY A VANITY DRIVEWAY WITH ITS 1900 CARROLL.

WE WANT TO KEEP THE ADDRESS 1900 CARROLL. WE ALSO HAVE ALREADY INCORPORATED A DRIVEWAY AND GARAGE AREA OFF OF PRIMROSE.

SO WE'RE. OUR PLANS SHOW TWO DRIVEWAYS, ONE KIND OF WHERE THE MAILBOX WOULD BE, AND JUST A SMALL AREA WHERE A CAR COULD PARK OUT THERE.

AND THERE'S THE ENTRANCE OF THE HOME ON THAT, ON THAT FRONT OF THAT HOUSE.

SO AND YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE TRAFFIC IN THERE, BUT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO A LITTLE TURN AND BEND AROUND SO THE CARS WILL NEVER BE BACKING OUT. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ACCESS FOR YOU KNOW, VEHICLES TO PULL IN.

AND WE CANNOT HAVE OUR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT GATED THERE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO A BEAUTIFUL LAKE LANDSCAPE WALL THERE AS WELL, SOMETHING REAL NICE TO MATCH SOME OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA.

BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP OUR PLAN WITH THE TWO DRIVEWAY ACCESSES.

ONE TO THAT CORNER, WHICH THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THERE, SO PEOPLE DO SLOW DOWN RIGHT THERE ANYTIME THE LIGHTS FLASHING.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY WITH THE TWO.

THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS THE ACCESS TO THE TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE MAILBOX.

AND THAT'S WHERE GENERAL PARKING COULD BE ONE, ONE CAR SPOT.

AND THEN THE BACK SIDE OF PRIMROSE WOULD BE AN OPEN DRIVEWAY.

THAT WOULD ALLOW GARAGE PARKING. THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON PRIMROSE.

SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PLAN BEING CHANGED.

WE HAVE WE PUT THE PLAN IN WITH THE TWO DRIVEWAY ACCESSES.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CIRCLED, BUT THERE IS A, AND YOU PULL UP AND THEN BACK UP AND THEN TURN AROUND.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN ACCESSIBLE SPOT. AND THE GATE YOU MENTIONED IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THE ONE OFF?

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SO YOU'D HAVE A 20 FOOT ANY AMAZON TRUCK COULD PULL IN.

AND OF COURSE IT WOULD BE ON THE DRIVE ON THE SIDEWALK WHERE MOST SERVICE VEHICLES JUST PARK IN THE STREET ANYHOW.

BUT NOT THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT, BUT THERE'S A WE TALKED TO JENNIFER ABOUT HOW WE GET A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO WHERE A FENCE AND GATE SYSTEM WOULD BE, SO IT WOULD BE INSET. SO WHEN WE DO OUR FINAL PLANS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GATE THERE, POWER GATE, AND THEN A NICE LANDSCAPE SECTION BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

SO WE WANT TO DO SIMILAR STONE WALLS THAT THERE'S BEAUTIFUL WALLS UP AND DOWN CARROLL.

THEY'RE QUITE NICE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MIMIC SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND MAKE IT JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THING.

YEAH. WELL, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT BETWEEN NOW AND A COUNCIL MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE HOMES, I GUESS THEY JUST STARTED TO BE BUILT RIGHT UP CARROLL NEAR THE DOVE ROUNDABOUT.

IF YOU NOTICE THOSE, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF ATTRIBUTES WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD INTO THOSE HOMES WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF OFF THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S AN AREA FOR DELIVERY TRUCK TO PULL IN EVEN, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE GATED, AS YOU KNOW.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE GATE IS KIND OF PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW FOR TRAFFIC TO GET OFF OF CARROLL.

BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT SITUATION IN THOSE HOMES JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THERE WHERE THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE TRUCK TO PULL UP.

SO THEY WEREN'T REALLY DESIGNED THAT. GREAT. SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE KIND OF A PAIN IN THE NECK.

WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF PREVENT SOME SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OTHER AREAS RELATIVE TO HOW THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED.

AND KIND OF YOUR COMMENT, IF THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN THAT DRIVEWAY THERE OR ON PRIMROSE TO GET TO ALLOW FOR VISITORS TO PARK OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING THAT THROUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE IN KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A TRICKY SPOT THERE.

SO TRYING TO DESIGN IT. SO IT TAKES ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THIS. THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO STICK WITH OUR PLAN.

I THINK IT'S QUITE LOVELY. AND IT IS. IT'S GOT VISUAL FROM CARROLL, SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PUT JUST ONE DRIVEWAY IN AT THIS POINT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED? WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY LATITUDE THAT WE HAVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LATITUDE WITH THIS APPLICATION, BUT IT'S MORE KIND OF LETTING YOU KNOW THAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO THEIR REVIEW IN TERMS OF KIND OF FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT, IF YOU KNOW THEIR THOUGHTS ON DRIVEWAY PLACEMENT.

SO TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF A HEADS UP FOR YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR REVIEW PRIOR TO COUNCIL. SO MAYBE YOU CAN START THINKING ABOUT YEAH, I MEAN, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH OR NOT RELATIVE TO WHAT STAFF MAY APPROVE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD COME UP THERE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO OUR BUILDING PERMITS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO SET THIS UP, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE STILL WANT TO KEEP THE 1900 CARROLL AVENUE ADDRESS.

AND I CAN ASSURE YOU WE'RE NOT GOING TO RULE ON THAT TONIGHT. SO SO THAT THAT ONE'S NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE. DENNIS, DID I SAY ALL THAT RIGHT? DID I? PRETTY MUCH. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS OLD HOUSE, IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION.

OLD PIER AND BEAM HOUSE THAT YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED BUILDING A THREE STORY HOUSE THERE AND GOT SHOT DOWN AND, AND IT KIND OF, IRONICALLY CAME TOGETHER WITH SOME FRIENDSHIPS THAT WERE CREATED BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST THERE, AND THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, TOO, AS WELL.

SO WE'VE GOTTEN NO PUSHBACK FROM ANYBODY ABOUT OUR PLAN.

WE JUST LOOK FOR THE BEST DECISION. WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A MONEY MAKER.

IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A PLACE TO LIVE. OH, YEAH. SO, YEAH.

NO, WE APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AHEAD OF TIME. THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN HERE, SO THAT'S APPRECIATED. PRETTY FORTUNATE. DENNIS, GO AHEAD REAL QUICK.

YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IF THAT'S A CONDITION THAT YOU WISH FOR US TO LOOK AT, THE AS I SAID, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO IT AND SO DOES THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE.

SO I WOULD JUST INCLUDE IT IN YOUR MOTION AND WE'LL JUST REVIEW THAT AND TAKE A POSITION OF WHAT OUR ENGINEERING STAFF STATES AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL.

IF YOU JUST INCLUDE A MOTION JUST TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR REQUEST TO HAVE THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEW THE VIEW THE SITE FROM A DRIVEWAY PERSPECTIVE AND PROVIDE THE APPLICANT FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF TIME.

I THINK THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE. IS THAT GOOD? YES.

OKAY. OKAY. HOLD ON. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HAD ONE. I DID, I HAD ONE I WANT TO.

WHY ARE YOU SO ADAMANT ABOUT KEEPING THE ADDRESS.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S SO CRITICAL ABOUT THAT. 1900 CARROLL AVENUE? YEAH. WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THAT ADDRESS? THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS.

AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY WE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT, SO.

WELL, NO, BUT I MEAN, IS THAT SOME HISTORIC. THAT'S VERY HISTORIC PROPERTY.

ACTUALLY, THE PROPERTY BELONGED TO THE MAYOR OF SOUTHLAKE.

AT ONE TIME, THERE WAS 85 ACRES THERE COMBINED.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME HISTORY ON THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT ADDRESS.

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WE'RE BUYING ACCESS ON ONLY CARROLL AVENUE. THERE'S PRIMROSE ACCESS THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FARM, AND IT WAS A PRETTY COOL STORY TO LOOK INTO IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 9.

I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE DONE A PUBLIC HEARING YET, SO I BELIEVE ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF THERE IS ANYONE. THAT'S A FAIR POINT, ITEM NUMBER 9 DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE GALLERY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT THIS TIME.

AND SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I THINK MAYBE IF WE JUST INCLUDE THAT ONE COMMENT, DR.

SPRINGER IN THE MOTION IN TERMS OF JUST THE REQUEST FOR THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF REVIEW THE SITE FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT THEIR FEEDBACK IS AND THEY'LL PROVIDE IT TO THE APPLICANT AND THEY CAN WORK IT THROUGH.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 9, CASE ZA25-0060 REFERENCING STAFF REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER THE 12TH 2025 AND FURTHER REFERENCING THE PLAT SHOWING REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 1 DATED 9/12 OF 25 AND THE.

THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION AND ADVISE THE APPLICANT OF THEIR FINDINGS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? STAFF. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

DRUM ROLL. SUSPENSE AND PASSES 5-0. SO GOOD LUCK TO THE NEXT LEVEL. WE'RE UP HERE. JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU READY FOR EVERYTHING THAT MAY COME AT YOU AHEAD OF CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON.

SO GOOD LUCK IF YOU MAKE IT TO THE OCTOBER 7TH MEETING.

AND WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 7:44 P.M.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.