[00:00:03] >> [NOISE] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO OUR OCTOBER 21, [1. Call to order. ] 2025, SOUTH LAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. MY NAME IS SHAWN MCCASKILL, AND AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO START AS ALWAYS WITH OUR WORK SESSION. THE FIRST ITEM, AS ALWAYS, IS TO INVITE PASTOR CLAYTON REED, WHO IS OUR OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN, AND HE'S WITH SOUTH LAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO'S GOING TO LEAD US IN PRAYER. THEN IF YOU'RE ABLE TO REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE OF TEXAS. PASTOR REED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET'S PRAY. WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING, WE PRAY BLESSING OVER THIS MEETING AND PEACE FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEAK BEHIND THOSE MICROPHONES AND THIS MICROPHONE. WE PRAY FOR INTEGRITY AND WISDOM TO FILL THE HEART OF EVERY PERSON WHO SPEAKS AND MAKES DECISIONS, AND WE PRAY FOR BLESSING FOR THEM. LORD, YOU TELL US IN SCRIPTURE THAT CHILDREN ARE A BLESSING FROM THE LORD AND THEY'RE A GIFT/ WE GIVE THANKS FOR OUR CHILDREN TONIGHT. WE PRAY BLESSING ON THEM. WE GIVE THANKS FOR EVERY KID WHO'S IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. LORD WE TONIGHT PRAY FOR THEIR PROTECTION. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT THEM FROM HARM, PROTECT THEM FROM THEMSELVES. LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US WISDOM AS PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS AND TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS TO CREATE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THEY ARE PROTECTED. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP EVERY ONE OF THEM TONIGHT, WE PRAY FOR OUR KIDS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HOPE. WHERE WE SEE KIDS, LORD WITH SUCH GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THAT GROW UP IN THIS AREA TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP THEM TO SEE THAT WORLD AND THE HOPE THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE PRAY BLESSING ON THEM. WE PRAY LORD, THAT THEY WOULD LOOK PAST THE STRUGGLES AND SEE A FUTURE AND THE DIFFERENCE THEY COULD MAKE IN THE WORLD WHEN THEY DEPEND ON YOU AND TRUST YOU. WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US WISDOM AS PARENTS TO SHEPHERD OUR CHILDREN WELL. WE PRAY, LORD, AS WE LEAD, AS WE TEACH, AS WE TALK, THAT YOU WOULD FILL US WITH HOPE, WITH GRACE, WITH PEACE, LORD, TO SEE OUR CHILDREN, TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, AND LORD, TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR KIDS. LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US HELP. I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP EVERY PARENT IN THIS ROOM AND EVERY PARENT IN THIS COMMUNITY TO LOVE THEIR CHILDREN. THANK YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR GOODNESS TO US. THANK YOU THAT WE HAVE HOPE. WE HAVE HOPE FOR OUR KIDS, FOR OUR FUTURE, BECAUSE YOU SENT YOUR SON JESUS, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US EYES TO SEE HIM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE FOR US, AND IT'S IN JESUS' NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. >> AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> >> NOW THE TEXAS PLEDGE. >> >> THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. NEXT ITEM IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER 3. [3. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation celebrating 30 years in business - Medica Health Management ] WE'RE GOING TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZE MEDICA HEALTH MANAGEMENT. WE'RE CELEBRATING 30 YEARS OF BUSINESS WITH THEIR HEADQUARTERS RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH LAKE. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME CARMEN SANTIAGO AND DARWIN BRUCE, WHO ARE GOING TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS AND THEIR STORY HERE. THEN WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO CELEBRATE YOUR ACHIEVEMENT AND THIS 30 YEAR ANNIVERSARY, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE. COME ON DOWN TO THE PODIUM. I THINK THE MICROPHONES ON. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. GO AHEAD. SURE. WHOEVER WANTS TO GO FIRST? >> WELL, IT'S AN HONOR TO RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE FOR PROCLAMATION FOR MERICA HEALTH MANAGEMENT. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS. THANK YOU TO ALL OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR TEAM, AND ALSO THE SUPPORT FROM OUR FAMILY. BEEN WITH THIS BUSINESS FOR MAYBE 30 MORE YEARS. >> [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANKYOU FOR THE VISIONARY, DOCTOR SANTIAGO, WHO STARTED THIS MISSION 30 YEARS AGO, AND AS A COMPANY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GROW AND PROSPER NOT ONLY IN STATE OF TEXAS, IN OTHER STATES, MEXICO, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUAL GROWTH AND SUPPORT, AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE YOU AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW THEIR OFFICE IS JUST ACROSS THE HIGHWAY ON 114, THE NORTH SIDE OF 114 OFF OF CARROLL. YOU HAD A BIG PARTY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TO CELEBRATE THE 30 YEAR ANNIVERSARY, WHICH WAS A LOT OF FUN, GREAT MARGARITAS, AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. I HAD A GREAT TIME, AND YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER 30 YEARS OF SUCCESS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR BUSINESS AND EVERYONE WHO'S A PART OF THAT TEAM. [00:05:04] COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE 30 YEAR ANNIVERSARY? WELL WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOU. IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, I'M GOING TO READ THAT PROCLAMATION, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU A COPY OF IT, AND WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE IF THAT'S OKAY? >>YES. >> I'LL READ THAT PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS MEDICA HEALTH MANAGEMENT, FOUNDED IN 1995 BY DOCTOR CARMEN SANTIAGO, HAS PROVIDED EXCEPTIONAL HEALTHCARE MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR THOSE 30 YEARS, DEMONSTRATING A STEADFAST COMMITMENT TO QUALITY, COMPASSION, AND INNOVATION IN THE FIELD OF HOME HEALTH AND HOSPICE CARE. WHEREAS MEDICA HEALTH MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN A VALUED PART OF THE SOUTH LAKE BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOR THREE DECADES, OPERATING FROM ITS HEADQUARTERS ON NORTH CAROL AVENUE AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR CITY'S REPUTATION FOR EXCELLENCE IN HEALTH CARE AND BUSINESS LEADERSHIP. WHEREAS THE COMPANY HAS SERVED THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS ACROSS MULTIPLE STATES, IMPROVING LIVES THROUGH ITS DEDICATION TO PATIENT CENTERED CARE, CLINICAL EXCELLENCE, AND OPERATIONAL INTEGRITY, AND WHEREAS MEDICA HEALTH MANAGEMENT HAS NOT ONLY GROWN AS A BUSINESS, BUT HAS MADE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE SOUTH LAKE COMMUNITY THROUGH JOB CREATION, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, AND A COMMITMENT TO ETHICAL AND COMPASSIONATE SERVICE, AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE BUSINESSES THAT EXEMPLIFY LONGEVITY, LEADERSHIP, AND COMMUNITY IMPACT. NOW, THEREFORE, I SHAWN MCCASKILL, AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, AND ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTH LAKE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CONGRATULATE MEDICA HEALTH MANAGEMENT ON THE OCCASION OF YOUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY, AND COMMEND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR ITS OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY AND BEYOND. CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] NOW WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER 4, [4. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation recognizing October as Persons with Disabilities History and Awareness Month ] WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNIZE OCTOBER AS PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH. AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR DAVID MILLER, WHO WILL INTRODUCE THE MEMBERS OF OUR NEWLY FORMED ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS MONTH MEANS, DIRECTOR MILLER. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS AND BRING AWARENESS TO PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH. I WOULD LIKE AT THIS TIME TO INVITE ANY MEMBERS OF THE SOUTH LAKE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES WHO ARE PRESENT, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND JOIN ME UP AT THE FRONT. WE'RE CALLING THEM ACPD FOR SHORT, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MONTH, PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH WAS CREATED BY THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE IN 2011, TO HONOR THE MANY ACHIEVEMENTS OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, PROMOTE UNDERSTANDING OF DISABILITY RIGHTS, MOVEMENT AND REAFFIRM THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE'S SHARED COMMITMENT TO ACCESSIBILITY FOR ALL. RECENTLY, GOVERNOR ABBOTT ISSUED A PROCLAMATION IN THAT HE STATED EACH YEAR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER IS DEDICATED TO CELEBRATING AND HONORING ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. HE FOLLOWED BY SAYING, LET'S ENSURE THAT ALL TEXANS, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY STATUS, CAN HELP BUILD THE TEXAS OF TOMORROW. GIVEN THE STRONG TIES WITH THE GOVERNOR'S COMMISSION ON PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, I'D LIKE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE THE SOUTH LAKE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AS WELL. VERY HAPPY THAT SO MANY OF YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO JOIN US HERE THIS EVENING. I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SEVERAL OF THEM ARE HERE. I WILL INTRODUCE THEM IF YOU ARE HERE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY. STATE YOUR NAME. [00:10:02] MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW EACH OTHER, AND THEN WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMISSION'S WORK. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE J WAHID. WE HAVE MARK FLORES, WHO IS SERVING AS SECRETARY. WE HAVE RYAN JACOBSON, DAVID CUNNINGHAM. HOLLY BERNBACH WHO IS SERVING AS VICE CHAIR, LAURA MCCASKILL, SERVING AS CHAIR, ANNE MARIE WALKER, AND ORLANDO, BORGES, WHO IS SERVING AS ALTERNATE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, THE PURPOSE OF THE ACPD IS TO ACT AS AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, OFFERING POLICY GUIDANCE INFORMED BY THE EXPERIENCES AND INSIGHTS OF RESIDENTS WITH DISABILITY. AND THE VISION IS TO SEEK TO ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS BY ADVOCATING FOR EQUITABLE OPPORTUNITIES, PROMOTING AWARENESS AND ENSURING THAT SOUTH LAKE IS A WELCOMING AND ACCESSIBLE CITY FOR EVERYONE. RECOGNIZING OCTOBER'S PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH IS FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE VISION OF THE ACPD. I WILL SHARE THAT JUST A FEW MEETINGS, STAFF HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY ENCOURAGED BY THE PASSION AND DEDICATION OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO OFFERING SUPPORT OF THEIR EFFORTS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD TO GREAT THINGS. WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MAYOR FOR ANY REMARKS IN THE PROCLAMATION. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMITTEE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE. ANYONE? >> I WILL. >> THINK RYAN WANTED TO JUMP IN THERE TOO. GO AHEAD. >> RYAN, YOU CAN GO AFTER ME. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR HELPING US FORM THIS COMMISSION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WANTED TO DO FOR A VERY LONG TIME. COUNCIL MEMBER TALLY AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING INTERVIEW AND SELECT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. EVERY ONE OF US ON THIS COMMISSION HAS A CHILD WITH A DISABILITY. WE HAVE ALL WALKED THE ROAD, AND WE HAVE ALL BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND SUPPORTING OUR KIDS WITH DISABILITIES. I WANT TO THANK MY FRIEND MARISSA MEEHAN FOR HELPING ME COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR THE COMMISSION AND LENDING HER SUPPORT ALL THE WAY FROM THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE THIS COMMISSION IS GOING AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY POSITIVE THING FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. EVERYONE, AND THIS WILL BE A GAME CHANGER, I THINK FOR THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE. THANK YOU, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> THANKS. RYAN. >> SURE. I'LL SAY SOMETHING. >> AGAIN. >> YES, THANK YOU. THIS MEANS A LOT TO US. IT CAN BE CHALLENGING AT TIMES WITH THE DAY-TO-DAY THAT WE ARE TASKED WITH AS PARENTS. IT REALLY DOES TAKE A VILLAGE WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPORTING OUR CHILDREN AND PROVIDING THE RESOURCES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, JUST THE UNDERSTANDING IS WALKING A DAY IN OUR SHOES SOMETIMES CAN BE CHALLENGING. BUT WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MANY POSITIVE THINGS IN THE FUTURE AND A LOT OF COMMUNICATION OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH TOGETHER AS A TEAM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DIRECTOR MILLER, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE HELP AND PUTTING THIS COMMITTEE TOGETHER. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME. I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING, INCLUDING SERVING THE CITY IN OTHER CAPACITY. THANK YOU FOR ADDING TO THAT VOLUNTEER SERVICE, AND IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. THIS IS REALLY EXCITING. LIKE LAURA SAID WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE, AND AS WE DID RESEARCH GOING BACK IN 1987, PRESIDENT REAGAN FIRST RECOGNIZED DISABILITY AWARENESS MONTH, AND THAT CONGRESS MADE IT A LAW OR MADE IT AN OFFICIAL PROCLAMATION. THEN GOVERNOR ABBOTT WAS REFERRED TO HIS WORK WITH THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE IN FORMALIZING THAT STRUCTURE OF HAVING A GOVERNOR'S COMMITTEE THAT WE USE THAT AS A MODEL FOR OUR COMMITTEE HERE IN SOUTH LAKE. IT'S BEEN REALLY HEARTWARMING TO SEE HOW Y'ALL HAVE STEPPED UP, AND ALSO OTHER CITIES HAVE REACHED OUT TO US AFTER SEEING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND STARTING. THERE'S FIVE OTHER CITIES THAT WANT TO TAKE OUR TEMPLATE AND OUR PLAYBOOK AND BRING IT TO THEIR CITIES, AND THEY WANT TO PARTNER WITH US WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR KIDS OF ALL AGES AND ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES, AND IT GOES FROM EVERYTHING FROM EDUCATION TO EMPLOYMENT AND SOCIAL ACTIVITIES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. I'M EXCITED. I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, AND I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL SUPPORT ON THAT. WITH THAT, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR Y'ALL TO HELP YOU GUYS GET STARTED AND ALSO TO RECOGNIZE OCTOBER AS A SPECIAL MONTH FOR DISABILITIES AWARENESS. THEN WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE AFTER I READ THE PROCLAMATION. STAY PUT FOR JUST A MOMENT. WHEREAS THROUGHOUT HISTORY, TEXANS AND AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES HAVE ENRICHED OUR CULTURAL, CIVIC, AND ECONOMIC LIVES, DEMONSTRATING EXTRAORDINARY RESILIENCE, CREATIVITY, AND LEADERSHIP IN EVERY FIELD OR ENDEAVOR. WHEREAS IN 2011, THE STATE OF TEXAS ESTABLISHED PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, [00:15:05] HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH, TO HONOR THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, HIGHLIGHT THE PROGRESS OF THE DISABILITIES RIGHTS MOVEMENT, AND TO ENCOURAGE INCLUSIVE OPPORTUNITIES IN EVERY COMMUNITY ACROSS OUR GREAT STATE. WHEREAS THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE PROUDLY JOINS GOVERNOR ABBOTT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND RECOGNIZING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER AS A TIME TO CELEBRATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES, ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR ONGOING CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR SHARED SUCCESS, AND REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO CREATING A COMMUNITY WHERE EVERY RESIDENT, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY, CAN THRIVE, PARTICIPATE AND BELONG. WHEREAS THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS TO CARRY FORWARD THE SPIRIT OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BY SUPPORTING ACCESSIBILITY INITIATIVES, PARTICIPATING IN PROGRAMS, AND PROMOTING UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT FOR PEOPLE OF ALL ABILITIES IN EVERY ASPECT OF OUR COMMUNITY LIFE. NOW, THEREFORE, I SHAWN MCCASKILL, AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, AND ON BEHALF OF OUR SOUTH LAKE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2025 AS PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HISTORY AND AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TEXAS. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE. [APPLAUSE] >> [APPLAUSE] ALL RIGHT. PICTURE TIME. BYE JACK, BYE BEN. NEXT IS WORK SESSION, ITEM NUMBER 5. [5. Comprehensive Plan Update ] WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS UPDATES, AND I WILL INTRODUCE DIRECTOR DANIEL CORTEZ, WHO WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND A TIMELINE FOR THE UPCOMING UPDATES OVER THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 TERM. DIRECTOR CORTEZ, ALL YOURS. >> ABSOLUTELY, MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M EXCITED TO BRING YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S OUT OF THE USUAL OF WHAT I USUALLY TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER THIS EVENING, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME HERE. TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH AN UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. MY GOAL IS TO MAKE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TECHNICAL WORK TO CLEAR POLICY CHOICES THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING IN THE FUTURE SO THAT OPERATIONS, BUDGETING, AND FUTURE PROJECTS ARE PULLED IN THE SAME DIRECTION. I'LL KEEP THE DISCUSSION AT THE POLICY LEVEL, BUT I'LL TRANSLATE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL CONCEPTS AS WE GO THROUGH THE DECISIONS THAT THE QUARTER COMMITTEE IS GOING TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD. AS A QUICK REFRESHER, WHAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUR LONG RANGE POLICY MAP. IT PROVIDES THE WHY AND THE WHERE FOR HOW THE CITY GROWS AND INVEST OVER TIME. INSIDE THIS UMBRELLA, OUR UTILITY MASTER PLAN SERVE AS FOCUSED ELEMENTS THAT SET STANDARDS AND PRIORITIES FOR EACH OF THE SYSTEMS THE CITY MANAGES. THIS WOULD BE WATER, WASTEWATER, AND STORMWATER SYSTEMS. ASIDE FROM THESE THREE ELEMENTS, THERE ARE MANY ELEMENTS OR MASTER PLANS THAT MAKE UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS THE ONE THAT THE COUNCIL IS MOST ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING AND USING FOR GUIDANCE WHEN CONSIDERATIONS FOR ZONING ARE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. THINK OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A PLAYBOOK AND THESE MASTER PLANS AS A POSITION GUIDES. TOGETHER, THEY MAKE SURE OUR DAY TO DAY WORK AND OUR ANNUAL BUDGETS CARRY OUT THE COMMUNITY'S LONG TERM DIRECTION. KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE POLICY DOCUMENTS AND ARE MEANT TO BE LIVING DOCUMENTS THAT ARE CHANGED AND UPDATED AS THE CITY EVOLVES AND THE CITY'S NEEDS CHANGE OVER TIME. HOW DO THESE PLANS ALIGN WITH OUR SYSTEM? CITIZEN AND CUSTOMER FEEDBACK IS A DRIVING FORCE BEHIND [00:20:03] WHY WE APPROACH AND WHAT WE INCORPORATE INTO THESE PLANS. TOOLS LIKE THE CITIZEN SATISFACTION SURVEY THAT WAS RECENTLY PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL HELP THE CITY DETERMINE WHERE TO FOCUS ITS PRIORITIES. THIS IS COUPLED WITH OUR STRATEGIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OF OPERATING THAT HELPS THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS ESTABLISH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR EACH OF THE PLANS. AS THESE MASTER PLAN ELEMENTS ARE DEVELOPED, ANALYSIS IS CONDUCTED, INCLUDING TECHNICAL AND CITIZEN CONSIDERATIONS SO THAT APPROPRIATE POLICY IS CREATED AND WELL INTEGRATED INTO CITY OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL BUDGETS. THIS THEN IN TURN PROVIDES RESULTS TO THE CITIZENS OF SOUTH LAKE. THAT CLOSED LOOP INCREASES ACCOUNTABILITY AND KEEPS US TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHY CERTAIN PROJECTS ARE TAKEN ON OVER OTHERS. YOU'LL SEE THIS ALIGNMENT SHOW UP AS WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZATION, BUDGETING, AND PERFORMANCE REPORTING AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. WHAT ARE THESE UTILITY MASTER PLANS THAT WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON THIS EVENING? THESE PLANS IDENTIFY SYSTEM NEEDS AND FORMS A ROADMAP FOR PRIORITY INVESTMENTS AND PRACTICES THROUGH POLICY ADOPTION. THEY WILL ESTABLISH ESSENTIALLY THE LEVELS OF SERVICE OR IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS THE SERVICE EXPERIENCE RESIDENTS CAN COUNT ON DURING NORMAL OPERATIONS AND DURING UNUSUAL CONDITIONS LIKE STORMS OR PEAK DEMAND. SINCE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO BUILD OUT AS A COMMUNITY, THE SHIFT FROM GROWTH FOCUS PLANS THAT PRIORITIZED INFRASTRUCTURE INSTALLATION TO PLANS THAT PRIORITIZE MAINTENANCE AND ASSET MANAGEMENT WILL BE THE BASIS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PLANS. WE'RE UPDATING ALL THREE UTILITY PLANS IN PARALLEL, AND THIS IS INTENTIONAL. PLANNING THEM TOGETHER MEANS OUR GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS, RISK TOLERANCES, AND INVESTMENT PRIORITIES LINED UP ACROSS INFRASTRUCTURE. THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IS SIMPLE. WE AVOID SOLVING A PROBLEM IN ONE SYSTEM WHILE UNINTENTIONALLY CREATING ANOTHER IN A RELATED SYSTEM. THE COORDINATED APPROACH SAVES TIME AND RESPECTS THE PUBLIC'S TIME FROM EXCESSIVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS. WE'LL NOW LOOK AT WHAT EACH OF THESE PLANS WILL COVER. FOR WATER, THIS PLAN VERIFIES THAT WE HAVE A RELIABLE SUPPLY IN THE RIGHT BALANCE OF STORAGE ACROSS PRESSURE ZONES. WE CHECK DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PERFORMANCE, CONFIRM PRESSURES, AND FIRE FLOW, AND STRENGTHEN REDUNDANCY, SO WE'RE RESILIENT DURING EMERGENCIES. WE ALSO EVALUATE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AND SHARPEN OUR APPROACH TO CONSERVATION AND DEMAND MANAGEMENT. THAT HELPS EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE EXISTING ASSETS AND CAN DELAY COSTLY EXPANSIONS WITHOUT COMPROMISING SERVICE. FOR WASTEWATER, THE FOCUS IS ON CAPACITY, RELIABILITY, AND COORDINATION WITH OUR REGIONAL TREATMENT PARTNERS. WE ASSESS FLOWS TODAY AND UNDER FUTURE BUILD OUR CONDITIONS SO THAT WE AVOID BOTTLENECKS AND SANITARY SEWER OVERFLOW RISKS. WE ALSO ADDRESS CORROSION AND ODOR CONTROL, AND WE BUILD AN ASSET MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK, SO REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS HAPPEN BEFORE THE FAILURES DO. IMPROVING SERVICE AND REDUCING EMERGENCY COSTS. FOR STORMWATER, WE LOOK AT WATERSHED BASINS, HOW OUR BUILD CONVEYANCE PERFORMS AND WHERE FLOOD RISKS CONCENTRATE. WE MATCH OUR ASSET TYPES LIKE INLETS, PIPES, CULVERTS, DITCHES, AND CHANNELS TO APPROPRIATE LEVELS OF SERVICE, SO RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND WE CAN PLAN PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE ON THESE SYSTEMS. SO THIS EVENING, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN WILL ALSO BE THE FIRST PLAN THAT WE BEGIN DISCUSSIONS ON WITH THE ARDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE. THIS BOARD SERVES AS THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MATTERS SUCH AS THIS PLAN. YOU'LL HEAR TERMS THIS EVENING FROM THIS PRESENTATION SUCH AS BMPS, OR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE STRUCTURAL CONTROLS LIKE DETENTION BASINS AND BIO SWELLS, AND EVEN NON STRUCTURAL TOOLS LIKE STREET SWEEPING, PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND CONSTRUCTION SITE CONTROLS. KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN LAYS OUT THE FOUNDATION OF HOW WE APPROACH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND IS NOT INTENDED TO BE THE FIX ITSELF. LET'S DIVE INTO STORMWATER. THIS PLAN BALANCES THREE LENSES OR REALMS. REGULATORY RESPONSIBILITIES, THE PUBLIC REALM INFRASTRUCTURE WE BUILD AND MAINTAIN, AND LASTLY, THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT REMAIN WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. PUTTING THESE LENSES TOGETHER CLARIFIES WHO DOES WHAT, HOW WE ENFORCE OUR STANDARDS, AND WHERE WE INVEST LIMITED DOLLARS FOR THE MOST PUBLIC BENEFIT. FOR THE REGULATORY REALM, WE HAVE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS THE MS4 GENERAL PERMIT, WHICH IS A STATE PROGRAM THAT REQUIRES CITIES LIKE OURS TO REDUCE POLLUTANTS AND STORMWATER THROUGH EDUCATION, CONSTRUCTION CONTROLS, AND GOOD HOUSEKEEPING OF MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. THERE'S ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT THAT SETS THE MINIMUM PRACTICES BUILDERS MUST FOLLOW TO PREVENT SEDIMENT AND DEBRIS FROM WASHING OFF SITES DURING RAIN. [00:25:04] THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ESTABLISHES OUR AUTHORITY TO ADOPT LOCAL CRITERIA AND ESTABLISHES WHAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE PERMITTED TO DO AS IT PERTAINS TO RUNOFF. TOGETHER, THESE DEFINE OUR MUST DOS AND HELP SHAPE OUR HOW TOS, WHICH IS WHERE THE PUBLIC REALM LIES. THE CITY FALLS INTO THIS LENS AS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC ASSETS AND ITS INSTALLATION. THE CITY IS ALSO REQUIRED TO ENFORCE REQUIREMENTS ESTABLISHED IN THE REGULATORY SPHERE INTO THE PRIVATE REALM. THIS INCLUDES HOW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS CONTAIN THEIR STORMWATER AND HOW THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DISCHARGE INTO THE SYSTEM ITSELF. THIS SUBSEQUENTLY GOES INTO POST CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS DETENTION AND RETENTION PONDS AND WHAT PRIVATE PROPERTIES ARE REQUIRED TO DO. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE CONTINUE HERE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. AS WE DEVELOP THIS FIRST PLAN, SOME OF THE EXAMPLE POLICY CHOICES THE COURT OR PLANNING COMMITTEE WILL BE ASKED TO CONSIDER IS WHAT THE DESIRED CITYWIDE PROTECTION GOALS ARE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT STORMS DO WE WANT TO PLAN FOR? ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS WHAT FUNDING TOOLS SHOULD STAFF PRIORITIZE OR CONSIDER, WE'LL PRESENT THE TRADE OFFS OF ALL OF THESE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS SO THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN ADVISE ON DIRECTION AND THE COUNCIL CAN THEN SUBSEQUENTLY SET IT. CLEAR POLICY HERE GIVES STAFF A REPEATABLE, THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO THE WORK. THIS ALSO ESTABLISHES A TRANSPARENT APPROACH TO THE PUBLIC OF HOW THE CITY OPERATES AND WHY IT DOES WHAT IT DOES. NOW, TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT EXISTING CONDITIONS OF OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, I'LL PASS IT ON HERE TO OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, LAUREN LANE. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR CORTEZ. TONIGHT, WE'LL BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT STORMWATER IN SOUTH LAKE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND EXAMPLE POLICY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE COULD CONSIDER AS THEY DEVELOP THIS MASTER PLAN. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL SERVICES THAT PROTECTS PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. IN SOUTH LAKE, OUR SYSTEM OF CREEKS, CHANNELS, AND PIPES WORK EVERY DAY TO CARRY RAINWATER SAFELY THROUGH AND OUT OF THE CITY. IN NATURAL CONDITIONS, MUCH OF THIS WATER WOULD SOAK INTO THE GROUND WHERE THE SOIL WOULD FILTER THE WATER BEFORE IT ENDS UP IN CREEKS, LAKES, AND AQUIFERS. BUT IN DEVELOPED AREAS WHERE WE HAVE ROADS, DRIVEWAYS, ROOFTOPS, SIDEWALKS, ALL OF THESE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAT RAINWATER DOESN'T GET ABSORBED INTO. INSTEAD, IT FLOWS ACROSS THESE HARD SURFACES AND INTO NEARBY LAKES AND CREEKS. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT HELPS US CONTROL, STORE, AND CONVEY THIS RUNOFF SAFELY. HERE IN SOUTH LAKE, STORMWATER FLOWS IN AND ABOVE AND UNDERGROUND STORM DRAINAGE COLLECTION SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES STREETS, CURB INLETS, UNDERGROUND PIPES, CHANNELS, BAR DITCHES, AND PONDS. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SCALE THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY MAINTAINS, WE MAINTAIN OVER 2,700 CURB INLETS, MORE THAN 1,100 AREA DRAINS, NEARLY 600 STORM MANHOLES, MORE THAN 110 MILES OF STORM PIPE, AND MORE THAN 13 MILES OF BOX CULVERTS. MUCH OF THIS SYSTEM WAS BEGAN CONSTRUCTION IN THE 1980S WITH SOME OF THE PARTS EVEN OLDER WITH SOME OF THE BAR DITCHES. AS PART OF OUR ONGOING RESPONSIBILITIES, THE CITY ACTIVELY WORKS TO ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS, AND PLAN FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. SOUTH LAKE IS DIVIDED INTO 13 MAJOR DRAINAGE BASINS. EACH BASIN IS A DISTINCT AREA WHERE WATER FLOWS INTO A COMMON OUTLET AND IS SHAPED BY LAND AND TERRAIN. UNDERSTANDING HOW WATER MOVES THROUGH EACH OF THESE BASINS HELPS US UNDERSTAND AND PLAN FOR STORMWATER ACTIVITIES. BASINS SHOWN IN THE GREEN, ALL DRAIN TO DENTON CREEK, WHICH IS PART OF LAKE GRAPEVINE, OR WHICH LAKE GRAPEVINE IS PART OF, AND THE GOLD DRAINS DOWN TO BIG BEAR CREEK. STORMWATER PLANNING IN SOUTH LAKE HAS ADAPTED ALONGSIDE THE CITY'S GROWTH. WHILE THE AREA REMAINED MOSTLY RURAL THROUGH THE LATE 1990S, PROACTIVE POLICIES WERE PUT IN PLACE AS DEVELOPMENT INCREASED AND STORMWATER CHALLENGES BECAME MORE COMPLEX. THE FOUNDATION WAS LAID IN 1969 WITH THE CITY'S FIRST SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRED PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE STUDIES FOR SUBDIVISIONS. OVER THE FOLLOWING DECADES, THIS APPROACH WAS EXPANDED AND REFINED THROUGH A SERIES OF ORDINANCES. IN 1990, ORDINANCE 482 ESTABLISHED A MORE FORMAL STRONG DRAINAGE POLICY, INTRODUCING REQUIREMENTS FOR DRAINAGE STUDIES, AND DESIGN CRITERIA FOR IMPROVEMENTS. THEN IN 1994, ORDINANCE 605, WHICH REMAINS THE FOUNDATION OF SOUTH LAKE'S LOCAL DRAINAGE STANDARDS, ADDRESSES DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE, [00:30:02] OF BOTH ONSITE AND OFFSITE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, COST PARTICIPATION POLICIES FOR OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT, RETENTION AND DETENTION POND REQUIREMENTS, AND MAINTENANCE OF DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND WATERWAYS. IN 2023, THE CITY ADOPTED ORDINANCE 1268, WHICH EXPANDED THE LOCAL FRAMEWORK BY ESTABLISHING ONGOING POST CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR PERMANENT STORMWATER CONTROL MEASURES. THIS ORDINANCE COMPLIMENTS 605 BY ENSURING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT UNDER THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED OVER TIME. TODAY'S SOUTH LAKE STORMWATER PROGRAM IS SHAPED BY LAYERED REGULATORY FRAMEWORK. THE FEDERAL LEVEL, AS DIRECTOR CORTEZ MENTIONED, YOU'VE GOT THE MS4 PERMIT, WHICH IS GOVERNED BY THE CLEAN WATER ACT, THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS, AND US ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS OVER JURISDICTIONAL WATERS. AT THE STATE LEVEL, THE TEXAS WATER CODE PROHIBITS WATER DIVERSION THAT HARMS ANY UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES. THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT GUIDE YOUR SYSTEM AND DESIGN FOR LONG TERM MAINTENANCE. EXPANDING ON THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES, SPECIFICALLY 605 AND 1268. THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING AND MAINTAINING PUBLIC DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS INCLUDES SURFACE STRUCTURES, SUCH AS STORM DRAIN INLETS, CULVERTS, AND OTHER FACILITIES OWNED BY THE CITY AND LOCATED WITHIN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY OR WITHIN RECORDED PUBLIC DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. ALL OTHER PORTIONS OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT, INCLUDING NATURAL DRAINAGE WAYS, BAR DITCHES, UNIMPROVED CHANNELS, AND PRIVATE STORMWATER SYSTEMS ARE ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR HOA AS OUTLINED IN SECTION 9.5 OF THE CITY CODE. THESE RESPONSIBILITIES INCLUDE REMOVING DEBRIS, LITTER, OVERGROWN VEGETATION, AND FALLEN BRANCHES OR TREES, FILLING EROSION GULLIES AND RESTING TO HELP REESTABLISH NATIVE VEGETATION, AND ENSURING THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO FUNCTION AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. THIS DIVISION OF RESPONSIBILITIES HELP ENSURE THAT THE OVERALL DRAINAGE SYSTEM PERFORMS EFFECTIVELY WHILE RESPECTING THE ROLES OF BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY STEWARDSHIP. >> AS WE ENGAGE IN THIS PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, THE POLICY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE COULD CONSIDER ARE, WHAT REVISIONS SHOULD BE MADE TO OUR ORDINANCE? SHOULD THE CITY CONSIDER UPDATING THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK AS IT PERTAINS TO THE OVERSIGHT OF PRIVATELY OWNED DRAINAGE SYSTEMS? BOTH OF THESE QUESTIONS WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND EVALUATED WITH A FULL AND THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF THE RESOURCE ALLOCATION TO THESE EFFORTS, AS WELL AS THE LIABILITY INCURRED. OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES, THE CITY HAS COMPLETED A SERIES OF STUDIES THAT HAVE HELPED SHAPE THE FOUNDATION OF THE CITY'S STORMWATER PROGRAM. WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR MAJOR WATERSHEDS, STUDIED COVERTS, AND DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, REVIEWED EROSION PRONE AREAS, AND COMPLETED A CITYWIDE SCREENING OF THE BUILT AND NATURAL SYSTEMS. THIS WORK HAS BEEN ESSENTIAL TO GUIDING OUR POLICIES, PROJECT PRIORITIES, AND MAINTENANCE PRACTICES. AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, WE WANT TO CARRY THESE INSIGHTS FORWARD, BUT ALSO ASK WHAT QUESTIONS REMAIN UNANSWERED? WHAT DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL DATA OR MODELING ON? HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THIS APPROACH TO SUPPORT LONG-TERM RESILIENCE AND PUBLIC SAFETY? OUR STORMWATER PROGRAM IS DIVIDED INTO THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS. FIRST IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. THESE ARE THOSE LARGE SCALE PUBLIC PROJECTS LIKE DRAINAGE UPGRADES, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENTS. THESE ARE USUALLY GUIDED BY STUDIES, INFORMED BY DATA, AND THEY REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT PLANNING, FUNDING, AND CONSTRUCTION. SECOND, IS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. THIS INCLUDES THE ONGOING WORK THAT OUR CREWS DO DAILY TO INSPECT, CLEAN, AND REPAIR THIS PUBLIC SYSTEM. THINGS LIKE STREET SWEEPING, CLEARING INLETS, REPAIRING PIPE SECTIONS, OR REMOVING BLOCKAGES. REGULAR MAINTENANCE IN THESE ACTIVITIES HELP PREVENT ISSUES BEFORE THEY BECOME MORE SERIOUS AND IS A KEY PART OF PROTECTING PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS WORK ALSO INCLUDES RESPONDING TO CUSTOMER CONCERNS, INQUIRIES, MEETING ON-SITE WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO EITHER RESOLVE ISSUES OR TO PROVIDE EDUCATION ON THE PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE ROLES. LAST IS STUDIES AND MASTER PLANNING. THIS IS THE FOUNDATIONAL WORK THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHERE WATER GOES, HOW IT BEHAVES DURING STORMS, AND WHAT AREAS ARE MOST VULNERABLE, AS WELL AS WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE MOST EFFECTIVE. THESE EFFORTS HELP US PRIORITIZE RESOURCES AND SHAPE OUR LONG-TERM STRATEGY. ALL THREE OF THESE COMPONENTS WORK TOGETHER TO SUPPORT A SAFER, MORE RESILIENT STORMWATER SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE CENTRAL TO THE CONVERSATIONS WE'LL HAVE AS WE UPDATE THIS MASTER PLAN. A KEY QUESTION THAT THE COMMITTEE COULD CONSIDER IS, HOW SHOULD WE BALANCE INVESTMENT BETWEEN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, MAINTENANCE, [00:35:02] AND PLANNING TO ENSURE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM REMAINS BOTH EFFECTIVE AND SUSTAINABLE OVER TIME? THE CITY STORMWATER PROGRAM IS SUPPORTED BY A DEDICATED FEE, EIGHT DOLLARS A MONTH FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND A TIERED RATE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT THEY HAVE. FOR FY26, WE ANTICIPATE COLLECTING APPROXIMATELY $1.7 MILLION FROM THIS FEE. ABOUT 55% OF THAT REVENUE COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS AND ABOUT 42% FROM COMMERCIAL. THESE FUNDS SUPPORT CORE ACTIVITIES OF OUR STORMWATER PROGRAM. OUR IN-HOUSE STREETS AND DRAINAGE DIVISION USES THE OPERATING PORTION OF THE BUDGET FOR DAY-TO-DAY MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING SYSTEM INSPECTIONS, DEBRIS REMOVAL, VEGETATION CONTROL, SMALLER PIPE AND INLET REPAIRS, AS WELL AS STREET SWEEPING. AS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, 32% OF THE EXPENSES ARE TRANSFERRED TO THE CIP PROGRAM TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND 25% OF THE BUDGET IS ALLOCATED TO THE STORMWATER DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. THAT PAYMENT IS REPAYING THE DEBT ON TWO MAJOR PROJECTS. THE FIRST WAS FROM THE EARLY 2000S, ORIGINALLY FUNDED AT $2.5 MILLION. THIS IS A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT AT CARROLL AND DOVE NEAR LONESOME DOVE DRIVE. THAT DEBT IS SET TO BE RETIRED IN 2028, AND THE SECOND IS THE SANITARY SEWER EROSION PROTECTION PROGRAM. THIS IS FUNDED AT TWO MILLION DOLLARS TO SAFEGUARD UTILITIES AGAINST LOCAL IN VULNERABLE AREAS. EACH OF THESE COMPONENTS PLAYS A ROLE IN HOW WE ALLOCATE RESOURCES AND KEEP THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONAL AND FORWARD LOOKING. ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS WE'LL EXPLORE THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS IS WHETHER OUR CURRENT STORMWATER FEE STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE, NOT ONLY FOR TODAY'S NEEDS, BUT FOR THE SYSTEM WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IN THE FUTURE. THESE PLANS DON'T JUST ANALYZE AND CREATE POLICY, THEY ALSO CREATE ALIGNMENT FOR PRIORITIZATION AND FUNDING. THE PLANS WILL CREATE THE BASIS THAT WEIGHS SAFETY, RISK, REGULATORY COMPLIANCE, COORDINATION, OPPORTUNITIES, LIFE CYCLE COSTS, AS WELL AS LEVELS OF SERVICE. THAT WAY, PROJECT RANKING BECOMES CONSISTENT, AUDITABLE, AND ALIGNED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S POLICY GOALS. THE POLICY WILL CREATE CLARITY AS TO WHEN TO USE UTILITY RATES AND FEES, GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS, PROGRAMMATIC CONTRACTS, AND HOW WE WILL REPORT PERFORMANCE. EMBEDDING THESE CHOICES INTO THE POLICY GIVES US AS STAFF A PLAYBOOK FOR FUNDING AND DELIVERY METHODS, FAR BEFORE PROJECTS ARE SCOPED. THIS WAY, STAFF IS BRINGING FORTH THE MOST EFFICIENT SOLUTIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FOR EACH RESPECTIVE PROJECT. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THIS PRESENTATION BACK OVER TO DIRECTOR CORTEZ TO DISCUSS THE POLICY FRAMEWORK AND TIMELINE FOR ADOPTION. >> THANKS, LAUREN. THE OUTCOME AT ADOPTION IS A POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT GUIDES DAILY STAFF DECISIONS AND ALIGNS PROJECT DELIVERY WITH CITIZEN AND COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS. THESE POLICIES ESTABLISHED IN THE PLANS WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL ANALYSIS WILL TRANSLATE DIRECTLY INTO DAY-TO-DAY DECISIONS OF HOW WE DESIGN, MAINTAIN, AND INVEST, AND WILL ALSO DRIVE AND PROVIDE THE RATIONALE FOR ORDINANCE CHANGES. THAT EXPECTATIONS ARE CLEAR, CONSISTENT FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THESE PLANS WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED BY STAFF INDEPENDENTLY. ENGAGEMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IS KEY TO A GOOD POLICY. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OF THESE PLANS, WE'LL PROVIDE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANYONE TO SIT IN ONE-ON-ONE WITH STAFF MEMBERS TO EVALUATE AND PROVIDE INPUT WITH SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AND ENSURE THAT IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE FORM THIS POLICY. OUR WEBSITE WILL INCLUDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK DIGITALLY, AS WELL AS PROVIDE UPDATES TO THE PLANS THEMSELVES AND ITS PROGRESS. JUST AS WE DO WITH ALL OUR OTHER MASTER PLANS, A ROBUST COMMUNICATION PLAN THROUGH OUR SOCIAL AND EMAIL CHANNELS WILL BE CONDUCTED TO ENSURE EVERYONE IS AWARE OF WHAT IS OCCURRING. BUT OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T END THERE. ALL OUR MEETINGS WITH THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, SPIN, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND CITY COUNCIL ARE OF COURSE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, SO OPPORTUNITIES ARE PRESENT TO INCORPORATE FEEDBACK. THIS SEQUENCE AND METHODOLOGY CAPTURES INPUT EARLY AND OFTEN AND ENSURES CITIZENS UNDERSTAND THE WHY BEHIND THE PLAN. THESE PLANS ARE COMMENCING THIS FISCAL YEAR. WE'LL BEGIN THIS MONTH UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR WITH OUR TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR ALL THREE OF THE PLANS. WE'LL THEN GO INTO OUR FIRST ENGAGEMENT ROUND WITH THE PLANNING CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. WITH FEEDBACK PROVIDED, WE'LL BEGIN THE DRAFTING AND POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS OF [00:40:04] THE PLAN FOR THE COMMITTEE AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERATION IN MARCH, AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ULTIMATE ADOPTION HERE IN APRIL. ALL THESE PLANS WILL NOT JUST SIT ON THE SHELF, WE'LL START INCORPORATING THEM INTO CIP AND OPERATIONS AS THE FISCAL YEAR CONCLUDES AND CONTINUE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLANS YEAR OVER YEAR, AS REPORTING IS REPORTED BACK TO THE COUNCIL. THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE RESIDENTS, BOARDS, AND COUNCIL DURING THIS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS ENSURES THAT OUR POLICY IS ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATIONS AND THE CITY'S LONG-TERM VISION. WITH THAT, LAUREN AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC OF STORMWATER OR THE OTHER TWO UTILITY PLANS OF WATER AND WASTEWATER. >> THANK YOU, DANIEL. THANK YOU, LAUREN FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW WE'RE JUST KICKING OFF THIS PROCESS AND GETTING STARTED, BUT THAT WAS A GREAT RUNNING START AT THAT, AND LOTS OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, WITH THE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF REGULATIONS AND LAWS AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVELS, AND WITH TCEQ, TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND CHANGES IN 2023 AND THINGS WE'VE HAD TO ADAPT TO AND MODIFY ORDINANCES ON. I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER ISSUE, SPECIFICALLY, WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THESE AND TALKING ABOUT THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE THING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS FACED WITH IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, PUBLIC PROPERTY, PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE ISSUES THAT ARE CAUSED BY STORMWATER AND THE THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG. THANKFULLY, THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE CANNOT DO AS A PUBLIC ENTITY, AS FAR AS WE CAN'T IMPROVE OR PUT MONEY INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, WHETHER THEY'RE HOMEOWNERS OR BUSINESS OWNERS TO WORK WITH THEM ON STORMWATER ISSUES THAT THEY'RE HAVING. I SEE MR. DOWD HERE. MR. DOWD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, WE GOT YOUR EMAIL, BUT I'LL OPEN THIS UP AS A PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE JUST KICKING OFF THIS PROCESS. THANKFULLY, WE'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PONDS, A LOT OF RETENTION AND DETENTION PONDS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ON HOW TO HANDLE THESE THINGS AS THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST 20-30 YEARS. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THIS, AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THE LAWS ARE, WHAT THE CHANGING LAWS ARE, AND WHAT WE CAN PERHAPS DO BETTER, AND ALSO INFORM THE PUBLIC ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE CAN DO GOING FORWARD. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK SO FAR, LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PROCESS. I KNOW IT'S A PRETTY AMBITIOUS, LIKE A SPEEDY PROCESS TO GET THROUGH ALL THIS IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR WORK ON IT. MR. DOWD, DID YOU WANT TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK? I KNOW IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DID GET YOUR EMAIL IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK AND ACTUALLY, ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO COME DOWN. >> I WASN'T REALLY PREPARED TO COME DOWN AND TALK. >> WELL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> BUT I APPRECIATE YOU INVITING ME. >> SURE. ANY TIME. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO. >> I AM DAVID DOWD, I LIVE ON 2900 HILLCASTLE LANE IN SOUTHLAKE. I BUTT UP AGAINST THE JONES BRANCH. MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, AND YOU'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. THE PRESENTATION WAS NICE TODAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE SHOWN UP THERE THAT, ONE, THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EROSION CONTROL ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE UTILITY EASEMENT. I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T IMPROVE PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THAT EASEMENT IS ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE EASEMENT BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE CITY. IT SAYS ON THAT SLIDE A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE EASEMENT. UNLESS I MISS THAT. FOR MANY YEARS, THREE, OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS ON THIS AND EVERY TIME WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY, THE CITY INSISTED THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR EROSION CONTROL ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AN EASEMENT OWNED BY THE CITY, FOR SEWAGE. NOT UNTIL MAY OF LAST YEAR, DID THE CITY ATTORNEY, MR. TAYLOR JUMP UP AND SAY, THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EROSION CONTROL ON THAT EASEMENT. WE CAN'T GO IN THERE WITH A BULLDOZER AND FIX THE EROSION. THE JONES BRANCH PROBLEM HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS. I'M GOING TO GUESS OVER 15. SOME PEOPLE UP HERE MAY HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT IT STARTED TO ERODE AND IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN AS EROSION ISSUE INTO THE SEWAGE EASEMENT, 15 FOOT WIDE 15 YEARS AGO, AND ABSOLUTELY NO MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN DONE ON THAT EASEMENT. [00:45:04] I DON'T WANT TO TAKE MORE OF YOUR TIME, BUT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME OUT, CITY COUNCIL THAT MAKES DECISIONS, WE'D APPRECIATE WALKING DOWN THERE AND SHOWING YOU THIS EASEMENT. THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS PICTURES OF THE WATER FLOWING THROUGH THERE. IT RUNS ABOUT AS HIGH AS THAT SECURITY CAMERA UP THERE, 50 FOOT WIDE, AND IT RUNS 15, 20 MILES AN HOUR, AND IT ONLY DOES IT WHEN THE RAIN RAINS REAL HARD. WHEN YOU GET A BIG RID RADAR IDENTIFIED STORMWATER ISSUES, STORMS. BUT ANYWAY, IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET FIXED BY THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE YOU WON'T LET ME PUT A BULLDOZER IN THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET FIXED BY THE CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. EVERY YEAR, IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR THAT. EVERY YEAR THAT THE CITY DOESN'T TAKE AN ACTION TO FIX EROSION ON SEWER EASEMENTS OR UTILITY EASEMENTS, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IT COSTS YOU MORE EVERY YEAR. SOONER OR LATER, THERE WILL BE A DISASTER, THERE WILL BE A BREAK IN THE PIPE, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO COME ALL AT ONCE. RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD GO IN THERE, THE CITY AND MAINTAIN THIS EASEMENT A LITTLE AT A TIME. SOME THIS YEAR, SOME NEXT YEAR, SOME OF THE YEAR AFTER THAT. WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A ONE FELL SWOOP THING. ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT JONES BRANCH, CONTACT ME, I'LL GIVE YOU A TOUR. I WON'T TRY TO CONVINCE YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'LL JUST SHOW YOU, AND YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DECISIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK. >> OF COURSE, THANK YOU, MR. DOWD. GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS, AND I APPRECIATE. I VISITED THAT AREA WITH DIRECTOR COHEN YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S TIME TO GO BACK. >> I KNOW. WE'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR A LOT OF YEARS, AND I'VE NEVER ONCE TRIED TO MISLEAD THE GROUP. >> NOT AT ALL. WE APPRECIATE YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. DOWD. ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE STORMWATER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES THAT ARE COMING THIS YEAR? THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR DANIEL OR LAUREN OR THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WE GET THIS PROCESS STARTED ON, STORMWATER WILL BE FIRST. ALSO WATER AND WASTEWATER WILL COME AFTER THAT. GO AHEAD. >> DANIEL OR LAUREN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD ANY TYPE OF MAJOR OR COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER THIRD PARTY STUDY DONE ON THE CITY? I HAD HEARD FROM SOME RESIDENTS THAT THEY THOUGHT THERE HAD BEEN ONE DONE A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT NO ONE SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR HANDS ON IT. WE HAD THAT DONE AT ALL? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LIKE A 2D RAIN-ON-MESH? WE DO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT STUDIES, SO WHICH ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY LOOKING? >> I KNOW THIS IS AN ANNUAL ONE THAT WE'RE DOING ON BMPS AND STUFF FOR THE CITY. I'M TALKING ABOUT A THIRD PARTY THAT HAS COME IN AND ANALYZED THE CITY ITSELF. OUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE WATERSHEDS AND COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS WHAT CAN BE DONE. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE HOAS HAVE HAD INTERNAL ONES DONE, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ACTUALLY HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO COME AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. >> DEPENDING ON THE SPECIFIC SCOPE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE LIKELY HAVE ONE THAT FITS. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS STUDIED DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY FROM, THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WE DID WAS, I BELIEVE IN 2022, AND THAT'S WHENEVER WE LOOKED AT RETENTION OR DETENTION WITH OPEN SPACE THAT WAS AVAILABLE. WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT OUR CRITICAL DRAINAGE STRUCTURES ISOLATED. BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? >> YES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND 2022 HAD BEEN THROWN OUT AT ME FROM SOMEBODY BEFORE, BUT I CAN'T FIND THAT ONLINE ANYWHERE. DO WE HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE THAT'S PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE? >> WE TYPICALLY DON'T PUBLISH THOSE STUDIES ONLINE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT TO YOU. >> SECOND THING WAS I SPENT SOME TIME LOOKING AT THIS AND LISTENING TO SOME RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CONTACTED ME ABOUT THIS AND HAVE DRIVEN AROUND. THERE'S THREE PRIMARY ISSUES THAT I SEE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY LOOK AT OR THINK ABOUT OR ADDRESS, AND IT'S NOT A KNOCK ON ANYBODY. IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL, I GUESS, THINGS THAT I'VE COME UP WITH. THE FIRST ONE IS, AS YOU HAVE STATED, AND RIGHTLY SO, THE MORE IMPERMEABLE SURFACES WE PUT DOWN, THE MORE WATER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. THE WATER DOESN'T CARE WHO OWNS IT. THE WATER DOESN'T CARE IF IT'S AN HOA'S RESPONSIBILITY OR THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY; IT'S JUST GOING TO FLOAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WATER DOES. BUT THE MORE DENSE THAT WE MAKE THIS CITY, THE MORE SMALL LOTS WE BUILD, THE MORE CONCRETE WE HAVE, THE MORE WE IGNORE WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE SMALL LOTS, SWIMMING POOLS, [00:50:04] OR TENNIS COURTS THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN, THE MORE STORMWATER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT RUNS OFF. THAT'S WHY WE SEE SOME ISSUES THAT WE SEE TODAY. OUR CREEKS NEED MAINTENANCE MOST OF THEM ARE HOA-OWNED. I RECOGNIZE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH PARTS THAT THE CITY CAN HELP OUT WITH OR NOT. BUT WE CAN SEE CREEKS THAT ARE FULL OF TREES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. REALLY, I GUESS IT'S LIKE I'M GOING TO THROW A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT THERE, BUT WITH MY SINK IN MY KITCHEN, IT'S A 1.5-INCH DIAMETER SINK, AND I CAN TELL YOU TO 10TH OF A SECOND, I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THAT SINK TO DRAIN. BECAUSE WHEN I'VE GOT A BRAND NEW 1.5-INCH PVC PIPE, AND I'VE GOT THIS MUCH WATER GOING ABOVE IT, I CAN TELL YOU HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DRAIN. BUT TWO OR THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AS MY DRAIN PIPE GETS CLOGGED WITH GREASE OR WHATEVER WE'RE COOKING IN THAT KITCHEN, THEN THAT DIAMETER IS GOING TO SHRINK. IT'S GOING TO GET SMALLER, AND THEREFORE IT'S GOING TO DRAIN SLOWER. WITH THESE TREES THAT ARE GROWING OUT OF THE BANKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THOSE ARE CATCHING DEBRIS AND OBVIOUSLY SLOWING THINGS DOWN. THOSE CREEKS OBVIOUSLY NEED SOME MAINTENANCE. THEN THE THIRD THING THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT WE SAY THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OF RETENTION PONDS, AND WE UNDERSTAND HOW RETENTION PONDS ARE. BUT EVEN IN THE 605 GUIDELINES, WHICH WAS IN 1994, IT TALKS ABOUT THE RETENTION PONDS NEED TO BE BUILT SO THAT THEY CAN HANDLE A 100-YEAR FLOOD EVENT AND HAVE 1 FT OF FREEBOARD. VIRTUALLY EVERY RETENTION POND I HAVE LOOKED AT IN THIS CITY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A COUPLE OF HOAS THAT ARE KEEPING TRACK OF THEIRS OR AT LEAST LOOKING AT THEIRS. BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE, INCLUDING THE ONES AT BICENTENNIAL PARK, THEY'RE ALL FULL. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN AN HOA IS CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT, THEN MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING, THAT RETENTION POND IS BUILT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT OR BUILT THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED, AND ENOUGH FREEBOARD OR WATER CAPACITY IS LEFT IN THAT TO HANDLE ANY FLOODING. LATER, THESE HOAS, THAT ARE 20, 30-YEARS OLD, THEY COME IN AND THEY PUT IN AN 800-FOOT WELL, AND THEY START PUMPING WATER INTO THEIR RETENTION PONDS BECAUSE IT LOOKS BETTER, AND THEY'RE ALL FULL. EVEN THE ONES AT BICENTENNIAL, THERE'S NO WATER CAPACITY IN THEM AT ALL WHEN I'VE GONE BY THERE. I WAS OUT THERE IN JULY, AND IT HADN'T RAINED IN A MONTH, AND IT WAS LIKE MAYBE AN INCH. I HAD SUGGESTED BEFORE, AND TALKING TO CITY STAFF, THAT EVEN IF WE TALKED TO THE HOAS ABOUT DROPPING THOSE RETENTION PONDS BY 12 ", THAT WOULD INCREASE AT LEAST THE WATER CAPACITY AND SOME OF THE RAIN EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, BUT REALLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH CORRIDOR, AND I'M NOT SURE CORRIDOR IS THE BEST PLACE FOR THIS. MY RECOMMENDATION HAD BEEN MAYBE POTENTIALLY DOING A TASK FORCE WHERE WE COULD IDENTIFY LOCATIONS IN THE CITY, LIKE HOT SPOTS AND STUFF. LIKE TEMPER LAKE, I THINK IS ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT I'VE HEARD THE MOST OUT OF. I EVEN SEE MY YARD THAT WE SAY THAT THE WATER IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE FLOOD ZONES. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT MY YARD, MY PROPERTY IS A 500-YEAR FLOOD ZONE, AND I FLOOD AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A YEAR BEYOND THAT. I KNOW IT'S THERE. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THERE. I THINK SOME OF IT IS THE HOA COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT LEGALLY WE CAN DO, AND WHAT FINANCIALLY WE COULD DO, WHICH IS WHY AT THE BUDGET MEETING, I HAD SAID THAT IT HAD BEEN 20 YEARS AND WE HAD NOT INCREASED OUR STORMWATER FUNDS THAT IS COMING FROM RESIDENTIAL BILLING AND FROM COMMERCIAL BUILDING BILLING. THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD WAS, AGAIN, TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE PERIODIC STORMWATER STUDY. THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR RIGHT NOW. >> ANYONE ELSE ON ANY STORMWATER AS WE KICK OFF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS? THANKS Y'ALL. WE'LL SEE YOU SOON. NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER 6, [6. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ] THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. ITEM 4A, APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 7TH, 2025, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM 4B APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-043, DENYING ENCORE ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY, LLC'S APPLICATION TO CHANGE RATES WITHIN THE CITY. ITEM 4C, APPROVED ORDINANCE NUMBER 1297, FIRST READING, ADOPTING THE 2026 STANDARDS OF CARE FOR RECREATION PROGRAMS FOR ELEMENTARY AGE CHILDREN, [00:55:05] OPERATED BY THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. ITEM 4D, APPROVED ZA 25-0064, PLOT REVISION FOR HIGHWAY JONES ADDITION, BEING REVISION OF LOT 1, WILLIAM PHILLIPS NUMBER 1017 ADDITION, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 500 EAST BOB JONES ROAD, CURRENT ZONING SF1A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ITEM 4E, APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-041, SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION OF THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE TO DECERTIFY A PORTION OF CERTIFICATES OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY FOR CCN, NUMBER 10101 FOR WATER SERVICE WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS, REVISING THE SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY TO REMOVE PORTIONS OVERLAPPING THE TOWN OF WEST LAKE. NOTING ITEM 4F HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, AND THAT IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-8 36Z 25-0035, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1965 AND 1975, NORTH WHITE CHAPPEL ADDITION, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS. AGAIN, NOTING THAT ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. ITEM 4G, TABLEING SV25-0007, SIGN VARIANCES FOR BURGER KING, LOCATED AT 1:25 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO TABLE THIS ITEM INDEFINITELY. ITEM 4H. EXCUSE THE ABSENCE OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN MICHAEL FORMAN AND COMMISSIONER LAURA GUNTER FROM THE OCTOBER 9TH, 2025, REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. >> THAT'S A CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER PUTTING ON CONSENT? >> I WOULD OFFER ITEM 9A, WHICH IS SB25-0011, THE SIGN VARIANCE FOR LAMBERT HOME HEADQUARTERS, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT ONE. >> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON 9A, THE SIGN VARIANCES FOR LAMBERT HOME HEADQUARTERS, CASE NUMBER SV25-0011, POSSIBLY MOVING THAT FROM REGULAR AGENDA TO CONSENT AGENDA? WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. >> THEN ITEM 8A, AND I CAN READ ALL OF THESE AND THEN LET YOU GUYS DECIDE IF YOU WANT THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-042, APPOINTING MEMBERS AND CHAIRS TO VARIOUS POSITIONS ON THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, LIBRARY BOARD, METROPOLITAN COURT, PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, SENIOR ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND THE SOUTH LAKE ARTS COUNCIL. I CAN READ THEM NOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR THEM? >> DOES ANYONE WANT THE NAMES OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTEES NOW, OR ARE WE GOOD WITH JUST PUTTING IT ON CONSENT? >> I CAN READ THEM WHEN WE COME BACK. >> KATHY READ THEM, THEN WHEN WE COME BACK. WE'LL PUT 8A AND 9A ON CONSENT. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY PRESENTATIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO ANYONE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? GO AHEAD. >> ON THE BURGER KING ONE. HANG ON. ON THE BURGER KING, THEY SAID THEY WANT THAT INDEFINITELY TABLED. DOES THAT EQUAL THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM? >> NO. UNTIL THEY'VE COME WITH THE SATISFYING PLAN THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE WON'T NEED TO CONTINUE TO LIST IT AND TABLE IT ON THE AGENDA. THERE'S NO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING. FROM PREVIOUS MEETING, IT HAD GOTTEN TABLED SPECIFIC TO THIS AGENDA, SO WE HAD TO LIST IT FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT THIS WILL JUST ALLOW US TO BRING IT TO YOU ONCE THEY'VE RESOLVED A PLAN TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU. >> WHAT I ASSUME IS THAT SOMEWHAT TIMELY, LIKE WITHIN A YEAR? >> WE EXPECT IT TO BE VERY TIMELY. >> THANK YOU. >> KEEP THE OLD SIGN UP THERE FOREVER AND NEVER COME BACK. >> YEAH, I GUESS THIS TABLE, AND DEFINITELY IT'S LIKE, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, DENNIS. WITH THAT, [1. Call to order. ] WE WILL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER. AS MAYOR, THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. [2.A. Executive Session] I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, SECTION 551.072, TO DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY MATTERS, AND SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER FOR AN ESTIMATE ON HOW LONG WE'LL BE BACK THERE. FORTY-FIVE MINUTES, SO WE'LL BE BACK AROUND 7: 15. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. [2.B. Reconvene: Action necessary on items discussed in Executive Session. ] IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> NO, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, KATHY. NEXT UP IS THE MAYOR'S REPORT. [3.A. Mayor’s Report ] SHOUT OUT TO OUR SOUTH LAKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE HAD THE 24TH ANNUAL SOUTHLAKE OKTOBERFEST HERE IN TOWN SQUARE. HUGE CROWDS STARTING ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, LITTLE BIT OF A WEATHER DELAY ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON, BUT A BIG CROWD AGAIN SATURDAY NIGHT AND EVEN ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON. [01:00:01] CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR SOUTHLAKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, MARK GILBERT, AND MICHELLE CRENICK, AND ALL THE LEADERSHIP AT THE CHAMBER, AND ALSO ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, THE HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS WHO PARTICIPATED IN EVERYTHING FROM SURVEYING BEER TO RUNNING THE KID ZONE, THE PICKUP, OR THE SETUP AND THE CLEANUP. IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL DONE AS ALWAYS. KUDOS TO THE SOUTH LAKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. WITH THAT, NEXT UP IS THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. [3.B. City Manager’s Report ] >> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK RYAN FIRESTONE, OUR ASSISTANT TO THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO STEP FORWARD. OCTOBER IS NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO THE HEART OF SOUTH LAKE IS GOOD, HIGH-QUALITY PLANNING, AND SO RYAN'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE FOCUS THIS MONTH. >> THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER ORTOWSKI, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. OCTOBER IS NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH, AND WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TONIGHT TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT PLANNING PLAYS IN SHAPING OUR COMMUNITY AND TO HIGHLIGHT THE HARD WORK OF THE TEAMS THAT MAKE IT ALL POSSIBLE. PLANNING HELPS OUR COMMUNITY TURN ITS LONG-TERM VISION INTO REALITY. IT'S ABOUT CREATING A SAFE, EFFICIENT, AND LIVABLE SOUTH LAKE, ONE THAT BALANCES GROWTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND RESOURCES IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS BOTH OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THROUGH CAREFUL PLANNING, WE HELP GUIDE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ENHANCES MOBILITY, AND MAINTAINS THE CHARACTER THAT RESIDENTS LOVE ABOUT SOUTH LAKE. ULTIMATELY, PLANNING IS HOW WE MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO THRIVE, NOT JUST TODAY, BUT FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. OUR DEPARTMENT IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE AN INCREDIBLE TEAM WITH DEEP EXPERTISE AND DEDICATION. COLLECTIVELY, WE HOLD 69 PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS, AND OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAMS HAVE OVER 169 YEARS OF COMBINED MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE. WE'RE ESPECIALLY PROUD THAT OUR DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL, CHARLIE WRIGHT, HOLDS THE MASTER CODE PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION, A DISTINCTION ACHIEVED BY JUST OVER 1,000 INDIVIDUALS WORLDWIDE. AS A CITY, WE'VE ALSO BEEN RECOGNIZED THROUGH AWARDS LIKE TREE CITY USA, THE TEXAS PLANNING EXCELLENCE AWARD, AND THE TEXAS SCENIC CITY PLATINUM LEVEL AWARD, ALL OF WHICH REFLECTS SOUTH LAKE'S ONGOING COMMITMENT TO RESPONSIBLE, HIGH-QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. IN ADDITION TO THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE BEHIND OUR WORK, WE'RE PROUD OF OUR TEAM'S PERFORMANCE AND IMPACT. SINCE 2022, 100% OF BUILDING INSPECTIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED ON THE SAME DAY THEY WERE REQUESTED, ENSURING TIMELY AND EFFICIENT SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND BUILDERS. OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS AVERAGED OVER 66 DEVELOPMENT CASES A YEAR, HELPING GUIDE PROJECTS THAT ALIGN WITH SOUTH LAKE'S VISION AND HIGH STANDARDS. THE PERMIT TEAM HAS ISSUED MORE THAN 3,000 PERMITS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, SUPPORTING SAFE, WELL-COORDINATED GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM RESOLVED OVER 400 CASES THIS YEAR, HELPING MAINTAIN THE SAFETY, BEAUTY, AND INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AS WE CELEBRATE NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH, WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE. OUR SUCCESS TRULY REFLECTS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN STAFF, LEADERSHIP, AND THE COMMUNITY, ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE SOUTH LAKE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. GREAT PICTURE, AND THANKS TO THE TEAM FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, EVERY YEAR. YEAH, WE HAD BEAUTIFUL WEATHER THE OTHER MORNING FOR THAT PICTURE. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE, ALLISON? WE'RE DONE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. NEXT, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] WE REVIEWED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DURING THE WORK SESSION. COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, INCLUDING 8A AND 9A, WHICH ARE BEING MOVED FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA TO CONSENT AGENDA. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO BACK TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KATHY TALLEY FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. I MOVE THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS 4A THROUGH H. NOTING WE ARE ADDING ITEMS 8A AND 9A, AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE NAMES FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ON ITEM 8A. FOR THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, WE ARE APPOINTING AMY CILLIAN AS ALTERNATE NUMBER 2, TERM EXPIRING OCTOBER 2026, ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, APPOINTING DAVID TREKLER, PLACE 3, JANET THIKER, PLACE 7, BOTH TERMS EXPIRING OCTOBER OF 2027. THE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY NAMES WILLIAM DOBIE AS CHAIR OF THE LIBRARY BOARD. FOR METROPOLITAN COURT. WE ARE APPOINTING DEVICA SETH AS THE SOUTH LAKE REPRESENTATIVE, TERM EXPIRING IN OCTOBER OF 2027. PARKS AND REC BOARD, JULIE BEAL, PLACE 2, TERM EXPIRING JUNE OF 2027. [01:05:03] SENIOR ADVISORY COMMISSION, WILLIAM MATTINGS, PLACE 1, JOHN SLOCUM, PLACE 3, BRENT MCLVIN, PLACE 5, GRETA SCHUMACHER, PLACE 6. ALL OF THOSE TERMS EXPIRE IN OCTOBER OF 2027. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE LEAVING ALTERNATE 1 AND 2 OPEN. THE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY NAMES MARY LE ALFORD AS CHAIR OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMISSION. FOR SOUTH LAKE ARTS COUNCIL, TIM SABLE, PLACE 1, JULIE DOYLE, PLACE 3, ALLISON VICTORIAN, PLACE 5. ALL OF THOSE TERMS EXPIRE OCTOBER OF 2027. TAMARA MCMILLAN, PLACE 7, HER TERM EXPIRES, OCTOBER OF 2027, AND THE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY NAMES TAMARA MCMILLAN AS THE CHAIR OF THE SOUTH LAKE ARTS COUNCIL. >> DID YOU WANT TO DO THE ALTERNATE 1 FOR THE SOUTH LAKE ARTS COUNCIL? >> THANK YOU. YES, SORRY. WE ARE APPOINTING RAMA DOUGLAS AS ALTERNATE 1 FOR THE SOUTH ARTS COUNCIL TERM EXPIRES IN OCTOBER OF 2026. THANK YOU. >> ALSO, TO CLARIFY, DID YOU NAME SOMEONE FOR PLACE 6 FOR THE SOUTH LAKE ARTS COUNCIL? >> NO, WE'RE LEAVING THAT OPEN AT THIS TIME. >> LIBRARY BOARD PLACE 4. >> YES. SORRY. WE'RE LEAVING THAT OPEN AT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING ITEMS 8A AND 9A. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES 60. THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING ITEMS 8A AND 9A IS APPROVED. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 5, THE PUBLIC FORM. [5. Public Forum.] THE PUBLIC FORM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO BRING FORWARD ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? YES, MA'AM, PLEASE COME ON DOWN. WE'LL START IN THE FRONT ROW, AND THEN WE'LL WORK BACKWARDS. YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR 3 MINUTES. THE GREEN LIGHT TO YOUR RIGHT MEANS GO, YELLOW MEANS THERE'S 1 MINUTE LEFT, AND THEN RED MEANS TRY TO WRAP IT UP. >> YES, SIR. >> WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. >> ESTHER SPIKLER, 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE AND SOUTHLAKE. AGAIN, I LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS POSITION. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF, I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR 29 YEARS, AND I SAT ON THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR ABOUT FIVE OF THOSE. BUT RECENTLY, I HAD THE UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING TO CALL AN AMBULANCE FOR MY HUSBAND ON OCTOBER 1ST. IT WASN'T THE FIRST TIME I'VE HAD TO DO THAT, SO I WAS A LITTLE EXPERIENCED. I HAD THE PLACE ALL SET UP, THE DOG PUT UP, AND THE GUYS CAME IN AND TOOK CARE OF THINGS, PUT MY HUSBAND IN THE AMBULANCE, AND I ASKED THEM TO GO TO BAYLOR GRAPEVINE BECAUSE ALL MY HUSBAND'S DOCTORS ARE THERE IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. HOWEVER, THEY CHOSE TO TAKE HIM TO METHODIST HOSPITAL. THIS PRESENTED A PROBLEM BECAUSE METHODIST HOSPITAL DOES NOT HAVE THE SPECIALISTS THAT MY HUSBAND NEEDED. I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT TO SEE OUR PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN WHO'S BEEN OUR PHYSICIAN SINCE 1996, THAT'S THE YEAR WE MOVED HERE, HE SAID THAT HE'S HAD THAT COMPLAINT. HE'S HEARD THAT COMPLAINT SEVERAL TIMES BECAUSE IT IS MORE DIFFICULT FOR HIM THEN TO GET THE RECORDS OF THE TESTS THAT WERE DONE AND WHATNOT. I WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD HAPPEN. NO ONE ANSWERED ME AS FAR AS THE EMTS GO. THAT'S BASICALLY IT. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN AGAIN, IT'LL BE GREEN LIGHT MEANS GO, THE YELLOW LIGHT MEANS YOU STILL HAVE A MINUTE, AND THEN THE RED LIGHT, WE ASK THAT YOU WRAP IT UP. >> MY NAME IS JOHN SCHINDLER. I LIVE AT 804 BARKDALE COURT OVER HERE IN TIMBERLAKE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF. I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE 28 YEARS, AND FOR THE PAST SIX, I'VE BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN MITIGATING STORMWATER IMPACTS IN TIMBERLAKE. STORMWATER SPEED AND VOLUME HAVE INCREASED ACROSS TIMBERLAKE AND NEIGHBORING AREAS INCLUDE LAKE CREST, MONTICELLO, AND HOMES LONG WHITE CHAPEL AND ON WEST CONTINENTAL. THE RAPID RUNOFF IS SCOURING THE CREEK BEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY, [01:10:05] TOPPLING TREES, OVERFLOWING BANKS, AND CARRYING LARGE AMOUNTS OF DEBRIS AND SEDIMENT INTO THE DOWNSTREAM WATERWAYS. THE STORMWATER PROBLEM IS BIGGER THAN TIMBERLAKE'S ISSUES ALONE. OUR ACTIONS CAN ONLY HAVE LIMITED IMPACT WITHOUT FURTHER CITY AND GOVERNMENT AGENCY PARTNERSHIPS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. ROOT CAUSES ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD, IT'S WEATHER. TCEQ CLAIMS THAT THE WEATHER INTENSITY HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS. THUS, IN OUR SITUATION, MAKING OUR DAM A HYDRAULIC HAZARD, AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES. CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, HARD SKATE IS ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES, THE IMPENETABLE SURFACES. IT JUST MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR WATER TO FLOW IN AN ACTUAL WAY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, INADEQUATE RETENTION AND DETENTION PONDS ALONG THE FLOW OF THE CREEKS THAT COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THERE HAS TO BE SOME RECOGNITION THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS NOT JUST ONE AND DONE. IT'S A DYNAMIC PROCESS, AND IT TAKES EFFORT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE, WHAT DECISIONS ARE MADE. CAN THINGS BE IMPROVED? WHY DOES THIS MATTER? THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND COMMUNITY IMPACT IS SEVERE, EROSION IS DESTABILIZING CREEK SYSTEMS, AND ECOSYSTEMS, INCREASING THE RISK OF FLOODING AND PROPERTY DAMAGE, AND IT CONTINUES FROM THERE. THERE'S A SAFETY IMPACT. DOWN TREES, UNSTABLE BANKS, AND FLOODING ARE SERIOUS ISSUES. WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR, TIMBERLAKE, HOA HAS INVESTED A LOT IN DREDGING AND IN OTHER MITIGATION ACTIVITIES. IN AUGUST, WE DID MEET WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND HAVE MET WITH TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, DISCUSSING OUR ISSUES. A SUMMARY LETTER WAS SENT TO YOU, MAYOR A WHILE BACK. I DO HAVE A TEAMMATE HERE THAT WILL COME UP PRESENTING ON THE FOLLOW UP ON THAT LETTER. BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS CONSIDERING A TARGETED STORMWATER IMPACT STUDY, GOING BACK, LOOKING, WERE THINGS DESIGNED PROPERLY 2030 YEARS AGO? CAN THAT BE IMPROVED? ASSESS AND PRIORITIZE THE ENGINEERING AND NATURAL SOLUTIONS SUCH AS DAMS, RETENTION, DETENTION PONDS, BASINS, VEGETATION BUFFERS, CREEK BANK STABILIZATION, AND ALL THAT. MORE IMPORTANTLY, FORM A COMMUNITY TASK FORCE, GET PEOPLE FROM ENGINEERING, FROM THE CITY STAFF TOGETHER TO SEE IF THEY CAN LOOK AT THESE PROBLEMS AND COME UP WITH PLANS AND IDEAS TO HELP SOLVE THESE GOING FORWARD. OUR CREEKS ARE A VITAL COMMUNITY ASSET. ACTING NOW TO STUDY AND MITIGATE, WILL SOLVE PROBLEMS LONG-TERM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO PRIORITIZE THIS ISSUE AND WORK WITH RESIDENTS TO DEVELOP A PLAN OF ACTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN GO AHEAD. >> IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO SHOW PICTURES? >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ELMO OR ANYTHING DOWN THERE. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO HAND OUT, OR IF YOU WANT TO E MAIL, SCAN AND E MAIL IT TO US OR GIVE IT TO DIRECTOR KILO, HE CAN MAKE COPIES WHEN YOU'RE DONE SPEAKING. >> COPIES. >> YOU HAVE COPIES HERE? AMY WILL DISTRIBUTE THEM TO US. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, WE'LL HAND THOSE OUT. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATHY MAST. I LIVE AT 307 CANYON LAKE DRIVE IN LAKE CREST. I'VE LIVED IN LAKE CREST SINCE 1998. FOR THE FIRST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, I HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL DRY CREEK BED IN MY BACKYARD. THEN IN ABOUT 2007, THE CITY STARTED BUILDING OUT AND DIVERTING WATER THROUGH THAT CREEK AND THE FLOODING STARTED. IN 2007, I STARTED MEETING WITH THE CITY AND HAVE WORKED WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON STAFF, HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE AND COME OUT AND WORKED NOT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS NECESSARILY ON MY PROPERTY, BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWNSTREAM, THERE WAS A CATTLE GUARD THAT HAD BEEN TOTALLY DAMMED UP, AND IT WAS BLOCKING ALL OF THE FLOW. WHEN I GOT PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT WITH ME, THEY WERE LIKE, OH, WE CAN GET THIS FIXED. MY REQUEST HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WATER AS IT FLOWS NOW IS VERY FAST MOVING. IT'S DANGEROUS. IT'S GETTING VERY CLOSE TO OUR HOUSES. WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT WE'VE NOT HAD ANYONE DROWNED, THAT OUR HOMES HAVEN'T BEEN FLOODED, BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE. [01:15:03] THE CENTRAL TEXAS TRAGEDY THIS SUMMER, THERE WAS A SMART CITIES PUBLICATION THAT SAID, CITIES NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THEIR SPECIFICATIONS AND REVIEWING THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. I'VE ASKED THE CITY TO DO THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THESE WERE DONE 30 YEARS AGO, BUT WE TOOK EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT FOR THE FUTURE. WELL, THAT'S VERY HARD TO DO. AFTER THE FLOODING IN CENTRAL TEXAS, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET A WATER CONSULTANT THROUGH SOME OF THE CONSULTING WORK THAT I DO. I RETAINED HER TO MEET WITH THE CITY. SHE CAME IN AND DID A STUDY WITH ME AND WE CAME AND MET WITH JAMES BRANDON AND LAUREN LANE AND ASKED THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT WAS THE DESIGN ORIGINALLY FOR THE STORM FREQUENCY FOR THESE CHANNELS? ARE THEY CURRENTLY SIZED FOR? WHEN WERE THE CHANNELS LAST EVALUATED? IS THE UPSTREAM PORTION OF THE WATERSHED THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THESE CHANNELS FULLY BUILT OUT YET OR NOT, AND IF NOT, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE THEY BUILT OUT? ARE THERE ANY CURRENT PLAN STUDIES TO EVALUATE THE CHANNELS? THEY COULDN'T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. THEY'RE IN THE HANDOUT, AND THEY ASK FOR SOME TIME TO REVIEW AND GET BACK TO US, WHICH WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM. THE ONE THING THE PUBLIC WORKS HAS ALWAYS SAID IS THOSE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS ARE WORKING AS INTENDED. BUT THE WATER CONSULTANT CAME IN AND SAID, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. WAS IT 100-YEAR PLAN OR WAS IT A 500-YEAR PLAN? THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT SHOULD ONLY BE ACCESSED IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S HAPPENING WITH EVERY MAJOR RAINFALL. IT SHOULD NEVER LEAVE THE BANKS OF THE CREEK. IT'S FLOODING OUR YARDS. ALL WE'VE EVER ASKED FOR IS IT'S DANGER. WE NEED HELP BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS TO OUR FAMILIES, TO PETS, TO OUR HOMES. WE WANT SOMETHING DONE TO MAINTAIN OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WE PAY A LOT IN TAXES. WE JUST NEED YOUR HELP TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU TO RESOLVE THESE THINGS. WE SEE THEM FIRSTHAND. WHEN WE CALL AND THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE REALLY WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO GET THEM RESOLVED BECAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM FOR A MAJOR AREA OF SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORM. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 6A, [6.A. Ordinance No. 480-837, ZA25-0045, 2nd Reading, Zoning Change and Development Plan for Trademark Southlake, on property described as Tracts 1A and 1A03, James J. West Survey Abstract No. 1620 and located at 1800 and 1900 N. White Chapel Blvd. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “ECZ” Employment Center Zoning District. SPIN Neighborhood #3. PUBLIC HEARING ] ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-837, CASE NUMBER ZA 25-0045, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TRADEMARK, LOCATED AT 1800 AND 1900 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD. THIS IS OUR SECOND READING ON THIS. COUNSEL, WE CAN CERTAINLY START AT THE BEGINNING AND SEE ALL THE SLIDES AGAIN, OR I WOULD SUGGEST WE GO TO WHATEVER HOMEWORK ITEMS THE APPLICANT HAD, ANY CHANGES FROM FIRST READING, AND MAYBE DENNIS CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO THOSE. Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT? HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL DO THE ABBREVIATED VERSION AND WHATEVER HOMEWORK AND CHANGES HAVE HAPPENED SINCE FIRST READING, DENNIS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S ADDRESSED AT 1,900 CHAPEL BOULEVARD. FIRST READING APPROVAL WAS PASSED 61. IT APPROVED THE USES AND SITE PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED. IT ALSO ADDRESSED THAT THE HOTEL BE MADE FULL SERVICE HOTEL AS DEFINED IN OUR LAND USE PLAN. THE UPDATED MATERIAL YOU RECEIVED THIS EVENING DOES THAT. IT ALSO SET THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT ALONG 114 AT 90 FEET FOR A HOTEL USE ONLY. THE APPLICANT'S REVISED MATERIAL IN YOUR PACKET DOES ADDRESS THAT. IT DOES SET A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT ON THE SIDE AT 90 FEET, BUT STILL RETAINS BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 114. IT ALSO ESTABLISHES A MINIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT AT 18 FEET AND THEN TYPICAL MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN THE DISTRICT ITSELF AT 65. HOWEVER, I WILL STATE THAT HOW THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE ARE DICTATED BY THOSE BUILDING PAD SITES THAT ARE [01:20:03] INCLUDED AS SITE PLAN ELEMENTS OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN AND WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE HEIGHTS REPRESENTED ON THOSE ELEVATIONS AND RENDERINGS. THREE KIOSK WITH FIRST READING WERE GENERALLY APPROVED. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT EITHER BEING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR SUP, AND THE APPLICANT RETRACTED THOSE FROM THEIR SUBMITTAL. THOSE COULD BE ADDED BACK IN AS A PROVISION UNDER A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT. ALSO THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION OR BANKING USE WAS PERMITTED TO DRIVE THROUGH SUBJECT TO THAT SECOND LEVEL SERVING AS A OUTDOOR PATIO AREA. THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WERE LIMITED TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED 83 FOOT MINIMUM IN WIDTH FOR THE AREA DEFINED AS LOT 1 AND 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOT AREA BEING THE MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR THAT DISTRICT. LOT 5 AREA. THE SOUTHERN RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WAS LIMITED WITH THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF 80 FOOT WIDE BY 125 FOOT DEEP WITH MINIMUM LOT AREA, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT. TREE PRESERVATION AND LANDSCAPE PLANS WERE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. THE APPLICANT ALSO ADDRESSED AND INCLUDED OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND DID STIPULATE THAT THEY WOULD COMPLETE COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY. >> FOLLOWING SUIT WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, RESTAURANT AREA WAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPE SCREENING, WHICH THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A HEDGEROW TALL EVERGREEN HEDGEROW SCREENING AROUND THAT AREA. THEY ALSO AROUND THE LOADING DOCKS OF THE GROCERY STORE. MOTION REQUIRED THAT THOSE DOCKS BE SCREENED AND LANDSCAPE BE PROVIDED. THE PLAN DOES INDICATE A MINIMUM 10 FOOT SCREENING WALL DIRECTLY AROUND THE LOADING AREA, AS WELL AS EVERGREEN LANDSCAPE MATERIAL ALONG THAT WALL. THERE IS ALSO ADDITIONAL SCREENING ALONG THE KIRKWOOD FRONT EDGE OF THAT PORTION THAT INCLUDES BOTH A 6 FOOT MASONRY WALL AND TALL EVERGREEN CONTINUOUS HEDGE. ALSO ON THE SCREENING OF THE PARKING AREA FROM THE 114 FRONTAGE BETWEEN THE RETENTION POND AND 114, THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED A CONTINUOUS ROW AND SHOWN THAT ON THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN OF TALL EVERGREEN HEDGES TO BE PLANTED ALONG THAT EDGE OF PARKING BETWEEN THAT AND THE RETAIL AREA TO FURTHER SCREEN THE PARKING. PRIOR TO COMING TO SECOND READING, OPTIONS FOR GOLF CART ACCESSIBILITY WAS STIPULATED WITH THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ALSO TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CALMING ALONG THE TWO PRIVATE DRIVES, AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE A DEVELOPMENT PHASING PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES. ALSO TO ADD BACK, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAD AGREED TO REMOVE GAS STATIONS AS A PERMITTED USE, BUT TO PROVIDE AN OPTION FOR GAS STATIONS. ALSO, WITH REGARD TO STREET FACING GARAGE FRONTAGES, THE APPLICANT WAS ASKED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LOTS WOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE STREET FACING GARAGES AS WELL AS THOSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SIDE NO STREET FACING GARAGE ENTRY, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN EXHIBIT FOR THAT AND DID ADDRESS THAT CONDITION IN THEIR REGULATIONS BASED ON LOT WIDTH. ALSO, THEY'RE ASKED TO INCLUDE A REGULATION THAT WOULD STIPULATE SOME FORM OF ARTICULATION AND PROVIDE THAT NO MORE THAN FIVE PLANS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE THE SAME. THE APPLICANT HAS MADE THAT EVEN SLIGHTLY MORE RESTRICTIVE WITH THEIR MATERIAL REGULATIONS PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN TWO RESIDENTIAL ELEVATIONS HAVING THE SAME ELEVATION AND WHERE THOSE WOULD BE APPLIED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM FOUR LOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE ELEVATIONS. [01:25:06] THIS IS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. THE SITES BROKEN UP INTO REFERENCED LOT AREAS FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES. LOT 1 IS A FUTURE DEFINED LOT. THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED FULL INFORMATION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THAT. IT IS A GENERALLY A CONCEPTUAL PLACEHOLDER AND ONCE AN APPROPRIATE USE IS READY TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR POSSIBLY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPROVAL DEPENDING ON HOW ANY OF THIS MIGHT BE ACTED UPON THIS EVENING. LOT 2 IS RETAIL RESTAURANT, INCLUDES GROCERY STORE IN THAT GROUP OF USES. LOT 3 INCLUDES OFFICE AND RESTAURANT USES. WHAT IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING 13 IN THIS AREA ON THE EASTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT CHAPEL FRONTAGE IS INTENDED AS A PROPOSED RESTAURANT SITE, BUT IT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THAT PARTICULAR SITE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION. THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANTS IDENTIFIED IN THEIR PLANS BASED ON COUNSEL'S RECOMMENDATION. THESE ARE THE ACCESS AND PARKING CHANGES. THEY ARE PROVIDING ENHANCED PAVING AT PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ON BOTH THE PRIVATE DRIVES. THEY ADDITIONALLY HAVE ADDED A TIER OF PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ON THE NORTHERN PRIVATE DRIVE AND ALSO PROVIDE THOSE AREAS FOR OPTIONAL GOLF CART PARKING. PARALLEL SPACES ARE ADDED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CENTRAL PRIVATE DRIVE COMING OFF OF THE ROUNDABOUT. IT ALSO INCLUDES ENHANCED PAVING ON THE DRIVEWAY WHERE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS WOULD BE PLACED, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES PARALLEL PARKING SPACES WITH THE OPTION OF GOLF CART PARKING ON THOSE AS WELL. STREET TREES AND LANDSCAPE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ALONG THOSE AREAS TO FURTHER DIFFERENTIATE THEM FROM A PUBLIC STREET. WITH REGARD TO THE DRIVEWAY APPROVALS. THERE WERE STACKING VARIANCES REQUESTED ON THREE OF THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE DEVELOPMENT, THIS ONE ON 114, THE ONE ON WHITE CHAPEL AND THEN THE ONE SERVICE DRIVE. AS PART OF THAT GRANTING OF THAT VARIANCE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS TO ADDRESS ACCESS FOR THE ADJOINING SITE TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, THE LAMBERT HOME SITE. THE APPLICANTS INDICATED ON THEIR PLAN COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT TO BE PROVIDED, AS WELL AS CONNECTION WITH THEIR EXISTING OFFICE DESIGN CENTER SITE THAT WOULD CREATE CONNECTIVITY THERE AND THEN THE COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT WOULD ALLOW OPTIONS FOR ADDITIONAL CONNECTION POINTS ALONG THAT DRIVEWAY IN THE FUTURE. WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE SCREENING, AS MENTIONED, THE LOADING AREA HAS A 10 FOOT MASONRY WALL AROUND THE LOADING SPACE, AND THEN ALONG THE KIRKWOOD FRONTAGE, THERE'S A 6 FOOT MASONRY SCREEN WALL. THAT IS ENHANCED BY SOME EVERGREEN SHRUB ROWS IN BOTH AREAS THAT SHRUB ROW IS SHOWN ON THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SCREEN THIS PARKING AREA FROM 114. ADDITIONALLY, WHERE THE RESTAURANT SITE IS ADJACENT TO THE LAMBERT HOME SITE, THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE ALSO SCREENED BY EVERGREEN CONTINUOUS SHRUB ROW TO BE INSTALLED. THE PHASING PLAN APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SHOWS THE PHASED WORK. PHASE 1 AND SCHEDULE IS CERTAINLY APPROXIMATED, [01:30:01] WOULD INCLUDE THE ENTIRE SITE WORK, PREPPING THE SITE FOR EARTHWORK WITH EARTHWORK UTILITIES AND ANY TEXT IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED. PHASE 2 OF THAT WOULD BEGIN ALL THE SITE WORK, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE ROADS, HARDSCAPE, AND LANDSCAPE. PHASE 3 WOULD INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL SHELL BUILDINGS ALL SHOWN IN THE BAG. AS MENTIONED, FOR THE ONE ON 114, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THAT BUILDING PRIOR TO THAT ACTUALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED, BUT I THINK THE INTENT IS TO COMPLETE ALL THE SITE WORK THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT SITE. >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE CLARIFICATION. THEY ARE SAYING ALL OF THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL WILL BE DONE ALL AT ONCE. IS NOT A FEE. >> YES. THEY ARE INDICATING GROSSER WOULD BE ON QUARTER OF 26, THE RETAIL AND THE OFFICE ALL COMPLETED. >> GREAT. >> TIME FRAME. YES, SIR. ADDITIONALLY, THAT PHASE ALSO INCLUDES THE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 CONSTRUCTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AS WELL. THEN PHASE 4 WOULD BE COMMERCIAL INTERIOR FINISH AS THE SHELVES ARE COMPLETED, TO BEGIN FINISHING THOSE OUT FOR AND TENANTS OCCUPANCY AND CONTINUATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. >> THE SITE REALLY GOES ACTIVE RESIDENTIALLY AND COMMERCIALLY IN THREE YEARS. IS THE LATTER HALF OF 28, IT REALLY GETS ROLLING. >> THAT IS THEIR ESTIMATED TIME FRAME, YES. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS RIGHT AWAY EXHIBIT PRESENTED AT YOUR PREVIOUS MEETING FIRST READING, AND IT HAS BEEN UPDATED TO SHOW THE PARALLEL PARKING ON SITE AND PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE ACCESS AREAS. THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY EXTENDING FROM THE ROUNDABOUT AND WHAT THE APPEARANCE OF THAT WOULD BE AS YOU ENTER INTO THE RETAIL SITE FROM THE PUBLIC STREET AREA. THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES BEING PROPOSED. HOTEL HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED TO BE FULL SERVICE HOTEL AS STATED IN THE FIRST READING, AND THEN GAS STATION USE HAS BEEN APPLIED BACK IN THERE AS AN OPTION. THESE ARE STANDARD REGULATIONS ON THE HEIGHT. BUILDING HEIGHT SET IS 18 FOOT, MAXIMUM IS 65, AND THESE WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO BE CONSIDERED WITH ANY POTENTIAL FUTURE PLANS THAT COME FORWARD. AS MENTIONED, THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED THIS EVENING FOR ALL THE INITIAL PHASE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RESTAURANT, GROCER ARE SUBJECT TO THE ELEVATIONS AND RENDERINGS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING. NINETY FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHTS BEING REQUESTED FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG 114 WITHIN THESE DISTANT CRITERIA'S, WHICH COULD INCLUDE POTENTIAL HOTEL SITE. ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS ON COMPLIANCE WITH THE MINIMUM OVERALL ACREAGE FOR OPEN SPACE, THE PARKING REGULATIONS BEING PROPOSED. THESE ARE THE AREAS SPECIFICALLY THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE BASE REGULATIONS OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER DISTRICT. THIS IS A VARIANCE SLIDE ON THE DRIVEWAYS. ONCE AGAIN, AKIN ON THEIR PLANS IDENTIFIED COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WOULD ABUT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY BOUNDARY TO THE SOUTH THAT [01:35:01] WOULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY CONNECTION OPTIONS OTHER THAN WHAT'S SHOWN TO BE RECONFIGURED HERE WITH THE REALIGNMENT OF THAT ACCESSING CHAPEL. THIS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PLAN, TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THIS IS RENDERING OF THE LANDSCAPE. THIS IS UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWING THE PRIVATE DRIVE STREET SCAPE AND PARALLEL SPACES AS WELL AS DETAIL ON THE HEDGEROWS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE EARLIER SLIDE AND THEIR OPEN SPACE PLAN. VIEWS OF THE SITE. THESE ARE ELEVATIONS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED. I WILL SKIP THROUGH THOSE AND GET TO THE UPDATES ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THESE ARE THE TWO RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER DISTRICT. TYPICAL LOT DIMENSIONS AN AREA FOR THE NORTHERN SECTION, THIS ABUTS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARY AND THE SOUTHERN SECTION. THIS IS EXHIBIT PROVIDED THE DARKER COLOR SHOWS THE LOTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SIDE FACING GARAGE. THE PROVISION WRITTEN IN THERE WOULD ALLOW A SINGLE CAR GARAGE POTENTIALLY TO BE SET FURTHER BACK FROM THE FRONT AGE OF THE HOME TYPICALLY BEHIND THE TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH WOULD BE SIDE FACING. THERE'S TOTAL OF SEVEN IN THE NORTH SECTION, AND TWO ADDITIONAL IDENTIFIED IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. THE REMAINING LOTS IN THERE WOULD BE PERMITTED STREET FACING GARAGES. THIS WOULD BE A BASIS FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL PLAN REVIEW TAKEN IF APPROVED AND AS BEING PRESENTED. SKIN ELEVATIONS, I BELIEVE ALL OR MOST OF THESE WERE PRESENTED AT THE LAST HEARING. >> WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME OPPOSITION FOLLOWING THE FIRST READING, A COUPLE OF THOSE AND WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA. THERE ARE FIVE OUTSIDE THE 300. IN FAVOR. THEN TWO RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE ONE RESPONSE UNDECIDED OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA, AND ONCE AGAIN, TWO THAT ARE STILL FILED OF RECORD WITHIN THE NOTICE AREA. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY THAT TOOK AS LONG AS IT DID. IT WAS ABBREVIATED. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILLER. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS AT THIS TIME? GO AHEAD. >> DENNIS, A QUESTION FOR YOU. I KNOW WE HAD TALKED TO, A BUILDING MAX HEIGHT OF 100 FEET LAST TIME, YOU'RE SAYING THE BUILDING MAX HEIGHT RIGHT NOW IS 90 FEET? >> CORRECT. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE LIKE CAN OUR FIRE TRUCKS REACH THAT HIGH? I KNOW THE LADDER TRUCK IS AT 105 FEET REACH. IS THAT WHAT IT IS, DO WE KNOW? >> I REFER TO OUR FIRE MARSHAL, BUT WE HAVE BUILDINGS, OUR TALLEST BUILDING IN TOWN IS APPROXIMATELY 83 FEET. I'M CERTAIN WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL AND CAPACITY TO. [OVERLAPPING] >> I GUESS DIRECT QUESTION HIM TO GET THAT ANSWERED. THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT WOULD BE, [01:40:01] IS THERE SOME REGULATION WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE TRUCK THAT CAN HANDLE THAT ONCE WE PASS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BUILDINGS IN THE CITY, IN CASE THERE ARE TWO ON FIRE AT THE SAME TIME, TOO? BUT AGAIN, I GUESS GOING BACK, WE CAN ASK HIM THAT WHEN HE COMES BACK IN. THE SECOND QUESTION WAS DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE DRAINAGE MAP THAT WE HAVE? I GUESS, AGAIN, THE DEVELOPER CAN PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE GOING TOWARDS THE RETENTION POND FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. BUT REALLY, THERE WASN'T MUCH OF A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE EAST SIDE. READING THE APPLICATION, IT SAID THAT THERE'S A SMALL SECTION ON THE EAST SIDE THAT DRAINS TOWARDS WHITE CHAPEL, BUT THIS IS LIKE THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL SECTION DRAINS TOWARDS WHITE CHAPEL. DO WE KNOW WHAT DRAINAGE CONTROLS THERE ARE RIGHT THERE? >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THE DRAINAGE ALONG HERE THAT WOULD STILL BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE WHITE CHAPEL, THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS GOING INTO THIS AREA HERE. >> BECAUSE THE TOP MAP SHOWS THAT, GREAT MAJORITY OF IT'S GOING TOWARDS WHITE CHAPEL BUT I GUESS WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME UP. >> I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR ENGINEER FROM KIMY HORN, SO WE'LL GET TO THAT. >> I FIGURED SO. >> AT THAT POINT. I SEE THE FIRE CHIEF IS BACK. IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRE TRUCK HEIGHT FOR A 90-FOOT BUILDING, CHIEF LANGFORD, WHAT EQUIPMENT WE HAVE OR CAPABILITY. COME ON UP. >> WE HAD A QUESTION REGARDING IF THERE'S A 90-FOOT BUILDING, DO WE HAVE THE FIRE TRUCK HEIGHT CAPACITY TO HANDLE THAT HEIGHT OF A BUILDING, OR DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE TRUCKS THAT CAN HANDLE THAT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WE HAVE? >> YES. OUR FIRE TRUCKS ARE 107-FOOT LADDERS, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT, YES. IS THERE, LIKE ANY TYPE OF REGULATION SURPASSES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE TRUCK OR IT'S JUST ONE TRUCK THAT WE HAVE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WELL, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO FIRE TRUCKS. ONE, I BELIEVE, IS 100 FOOT AND THE OTHER IS 107. >> WITH THE FIRE CHIEF. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO? >> HOW TALL IS OUR [INAUDIBLE] HOTELS? HOW TALL ARE THEY? >> THEY VARY. THE HILTON IS FIVE STORIES AND APPROXIMATELY 68 FEET TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF ANY COMPONENT OF THE ROOF. THE WESTON IS APPROXIMATELY 76 FEET AND SIX STORIES. THE DELTA HOTEL TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF ITS ARTICULATED COMPONENTS IS APPROXIMATELY 82 FEET, AND IT'S SIX STORY. GRANITE IS FIVE STORIES AND APPROXIMATELY 83 FEET TO THE HIGHEST POINT ON IT AND THEN SABER, THEIR BUILDING IS FIVE STORIES AND APPROXIMATELY 82 FEET TO THE HIGHEST POINT, AND THEN METHODIST HOSPITAL IS APPROXIMATELY 65 FEET, BUT ITS HIGHEST POINT IS FOUR STORIES. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS? >> GAS STATION LOCATIONS, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? IS IT SIGNAL LIKE A SIGNAL CORNER OR [OVERLAPPING]. >> IF IT'S UNDER THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. IF A GAS STATION HAS TO COME IN UNDER THAT, IT HAS TO BE IN A C THREE BASED ZONING DISTRICT, EITHER C THREE OR A DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS C THREE/FOR 170-91-9308, I BELIEVE, AS WELL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE ALONG THOSE TYPE OF ARTERIAL AND HAVE TO BE AT AN ARTERIAL INTERSECTION. FOR 114 LOCATION, IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE AT MID-BLOCK AT ANY POINT ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD. >> THEN GLESING IS ON GARAGES. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ON GARAGES? ON THIS ONE HERE. [01:45:03] WE'RE REALLY TALKING MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE STREET-FACING GARAGES. IS WHAT I'M SEEING? THE VAST MAJORITY? >> THAT APPEARS TO BE CORRECT. YES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? RANG YES. >> PLEASE, DIRECTOR KILO, QUICKLY, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU WITH REGARDS TO THE SCREENING ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND THE SCREENING ON THE SHARED DRIVE WITH LAMBERT HOMES ALONG NORTH FLY CHAPEL, THE LANGUAGE WAS TALL EVERGREENS. I'D LIKE TO PUT A BIT [INAUDIBLE] THAT BE TALL AT PLANTING AND THEN DEFINE WHAT IS TALL. >> WELL, BY MINIMUM STANDARDS TO COVER A VEHICLE, JUST THE BUMPER OF A VEHICLE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AT LEAST THREE FEET AND MAINTAINED AT THAT AT THREE FEET OR HIGHER. TALL, THEY DID NOT DEFINE. I THINK IT'S WITHIN YOUR SET. WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THE MATURE, MAINTAINED HEIGHT TO BE AND YOU COULD EVEN STIPULATE SOME MINIMUM HEIGHT. PLANTING. >> THANK YOU. >> GIVING IT, OF COURSE, TIME TO MATURE. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. APPLICANT. IF YOU ALL COULD STATE YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD. THEN, LIKE WE DID WITH DIRECTOR KILO, IF YOU WANT TO MAYBE HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGES OR THE HOMEWORK SINCE WE WERE HERE ON FIRST READING AND FOCUS ON THAT, AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TOO. >> TERRY [INAUDIBLE] 20 108 BRADFORD PARK, FORT WORTH. TRADEMARK. >> PAGE PICK MORE 1701 RIVER IN FORT WORTH TRADEMARK. >> PEYTON MCGEE WITH KIMY HORN 9641 ANGLE RIDGE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. >> CHRISTOS KIMLEY HORN, 5619 BELMONT DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. >> CURTIS CHAN WITH THE SAGE UP 11:30 NORTH CARROLL HERE IN SOUTH LAKE. >> WHO'S GOING TO GO FIRST. << I'LL GO FIRST. APPRECIATE AGAIN ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT ON THE PLAN. WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO TRY TO ADJUST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON THE LAST TWO WEEKS IS REALLY TRYING TO DIAL IN THE PRIVATE DRIVE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TO MAKE THAT FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVATE THAN IT WAS SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SPEEDWAY COMING OFF OF THE ROUNDABOUT DOWN TO 114, AND HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH PLANNING ABOUT THAT, HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH FIRE ABOUT IT AS WELL TO SEE WHAT WORKS FOR THEM. BUT I THINK REALLY THE IDEA THERE IS TO PUT THE PARALLEL PARKING THERE. ALSO INCLUDES SOME GOLF CART PARKING THERE AS A VISUAL KEY TO SHOW THAT YOU SHOULD BE SLOWING DOWN, THE ENHANCED PAVEMENT. WE'LL DO THE SAME THING, THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDE, WE'LL ALSO ACCOMPLISH THAT AS WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A RAISED CROSSWALK IN THAT STREET. I THINK WE DID SHOW THAT ON THIS PLAN. ENHANCED PAVEMENT. >> THERE. >> I'M NOT CONTROL. THERE. I THINK THIS LOOKS A LOT MORE LIKE A PRIVATE DRIVE AND ACCOMPLISHES WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR THERE. THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE LOOKED AT THE LANDSCAPING ALONG 114, AND WITH THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED THERE AND ALONG THE RESTAURANT SPACE, TRIED TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT VISUALLY A SEA OF PARKING FROM 114 OR THE FRONTAGE ROAD. ONE OF THE BALANCES WITH RETAIL IN PARTICULAR IS THAT THEY DO WANT TO BE SEEN THAT DRIVES TRAFFIC TO THEIR SITE. WHAT WE PROPOSE, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A SEA OF PARKING RIGHT THERE ON 114, BUT ALSO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE RETAILERS THAT ARE BACK IN THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT VISUAL CUE OF, I CAN GO THERE. THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO SUCCESS OF OUR RETAILERS ON SITE. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH LAMBERT HOMES, WHICH INVOLVES THE COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL. I THINK FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THAT DRIVE, [01:50:01] THAT SECOND APPROACH FOR THEM SO THAT THEY HAVE A SECOND ACCESS POINT TO THEIR SITE, AND THAT COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT ENSURES THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TIE INTO THAT ROAD COMING OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL, AND SO I HAD REALLY GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SECOND ACCESS TO THEIR SITE. THEN, I THINK WE ADDED BACK THE GAS STATION USE FOR LOT 1, WHICH IS STILL ON THE USE. WE TRANSPARENTLY, WE DID HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS FROM THE MEDARY REACH OUT AND SAY THAT THEY WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A GAS STATION RIGHT THERE, BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, WE'RE STILL WILLING TO CONSIDER IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNSEL WANTS TO GO WITH THAT USE. IN ADDITION TO THAT PHASING, WE PUT THE PHASING PLAN TOGETHER. THE IDEA IS SITE WORK IS ALL HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. WE HAVE TO DO THE SITE WORK TO GET OUR NATIONAL ORGANIC GROCER UP OUT OF THE GROUND. IF WE'RE DOING SITE WORK THERE, WE'RE GOING TO DO SITE WORK ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE. THEN CONTINUE TO FINISH THOSE SHELLS WITH THE BUILDINGS VERTICAL AFTER THAT. GET SOME. >> ON THE GAS STATION, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IF WE CAN'T GET A HOTEL. THAT'S OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE A HOTEL, BE BEST FOR THE MIXED-USE ENVIRONMENT. COUNSEL BROUGHT IT UP, AND SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GAS DESERT NORTH OF 114. WE THINK IT'D BE A GOOD USE. THAT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION. THE PLANTING MINIMUMS, I THINK THE MATURITY AT THREE FEET MINIMUM AND TWO FEET MINIMUM AT PLANTING. WE'D BE FINE WITH THAT. JUST LIKE BLAKE SAID, WE WANT TO SHIELD THE BODIES OF THE CARS. WE DON'T WANT IT GET SO TALL, YOU CAN'T SEE THE NATIONAL ORGANIC GROCER AND THE OTHER RETAILERS. SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED TO US RECENTLY BY SOME FOLKS IN SOUTH LAKE IS WE'D LIKE TO ADD ON LOT 1, WHICH IS THE HOTEL GAS STATION LOT? WE'D LIKE TO ADD AN ENTERTAINMENT USE, AND THERE'S ONE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF CALLED VENUE. BUT AN ENTERTAINMENT USE LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE. WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU GUYS ADD ALLOW US TO DO AN ENTERTAINMENT USE THERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO PARK IT, ETC. LET'S SEE. I THINK THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THEM. >> I'LL GO AHEAD. THE LAST THING YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT USE, I'M GUESSING THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SPACE ON LOT 1. IF THERE'S AN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THEN THE HOTEL PROBABLY DOESN'T HAPPEN? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT'S AN EITHER OR. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> ALONG WITH THE PARKING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH IT. >> IT'S A PRETTY BIG SITE, THOUGH. IT'S ALMOST THREE ACRES. >> JUST WANTED TO CHECK ON THAT. WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO CRAM TOO MUCH STUFF ONTO LOT 1, LIKE A HOTEL AND A GAS STATION AND [OVERLAPPING] >> NO. UNLESS WE COME BACK AND TELL YOU IT'S SO GOOD WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A GARAGE. >> GOT IT. >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. >> IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL PARK AND THE GARAGE IS, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT FIRST READING, BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, AND YOU DID WHAT WE ASKED AS FAR AS SHOWING US THE NUMBERS ON WHICH LOTS WOULD HAVE SIDE FACING, WHICH WOULD HAVE FRONT FACING. I THINK WHERE WE WERE GOING WITH THAT IS WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MORE SIDE-FACING THAN FRONT-FACING. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I MIGHT JUST BE THE ONLY ONE UP HERE, BUT I THINK THE SIDE FACING IS PROBABLY PREFERABLE TO THE FRONT FACING. THERE MAY BE SOME LOTS DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED IN HERE THAT MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE FRONT-FACING. I GET THAT, AND I THINK WE ANTICIPATED THAT, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE FRONT-FACING VERSUS SIDE-FACING. RIGHT NOW IT'S MORE FRONT-FACING THERE [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT WAS OUR INTENT, WAS THAT WE'RE NOT FACING THE STREET. >> WE DID SOME CALCULATIONS ON THE LOTS. LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF, SORRY, FRANK. NORTH CAROL, SOUTH LAKE. WE DID SOME CALCULATIONS ON THE LOTS AND SEE WHAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE FOR AN ACTUAL DOABLE BECAUSE OF THE LOT COVERAGE THAT WE REQUESTED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, 84 WAS OUR NUMBER TO REALLY BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SIDE SWING GARAGE. I DO FEEL LIKE WE CAN INCREASE THAT ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. MOST OF THEM ARE THAT 85 OR 84, 85, WE COULD PROBABLY GET THE WHOLE NORTH DIVISION TO BE SIDE SWING. THE PROBLEM WITH IF WE GET TO COMMITTAL ON ANYTHING LESS THAN MAYBE 83 OR LESS, [01:55:04] IT'S GOING TO GET REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PHYSICALLY BUILD A SIDE SWING. IT JUST WON'T BE POSSIBLE TO DO A SIDE-TO-SIDE SWING. I THINK THE OPTION TO BE SOMETHING ALTERNATIVE WISE IS WHERE WE CAN SET LIKE AN OFFSET TWO-CAR GARAGE VERSUS TO BE IN FRONT FACING ON THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT KIND OF GIVES US SOME MORE COVERAGE AND A HIDES THAT TWO-CAR GARAGE SCENARIO. EVEN IF WE CAN HAVE SOME OVERHANG FROM THE GARAGE AS WELL, THAT WOULD HELP WITH SOME VISIBILITY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ELEVATED FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT. BUT WHEN YOU GET LOWER THAN THE 80, PROBABLY 83 FOOT, FRONTAGE ROAD AT LEAST, IT REALLY RESTRICTS US FROM A BUILDING CAPABILITY. >> WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK TO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO WORK.. >> I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO THE FACT THE DEPTH AND THE RADIUS OR THE COVERAGE OF THE LOT COVERAGE. IT'S 40% IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME STRETCHING, AND SOME MAVERING, SOME OF THE LOTS ON THE SECOND LEVEL ON LOT 3,4 AND 5, THOSE WON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY EXPAND OUT. >> RIGHT. >> BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE WHAT'S REQUIRED AND WHAT'S NOT, IF WE CAN MAYBE COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY OF DEFINING THAT, I THINK WE CAN GET A LOT MORE SIDE SWINGS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S WHEN YOU DEFINE IT BY LOT FRONTAGE, IT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO COVER. >> PART OF IT IS, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY EASILY GET EVERY LOT IN THE NORTH TO HAVE A SIDE SWING OR A SWING GARAGE IN FRONT, BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA DEPTH OF THOSE LOTS AND ALSO, LIKE, 5, 6 AND 7, 9 AND 10 OR 83 FEET. THEY'RE ONLY A FOOT AWAY. WE MADE AT ONE OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS, LOT EIGHT EXTRA WIDE. WE CAN MAYBE TAKE SOME FEET OUT OF THAT AND PUT IT TO THE OTHERS AND MAKE ALL THOSE 84. THE ISSUE ON THE LOWER SOUTHERN LOTS IS THAT WHEN WE P&Z ASKED US TO INCREASE OUR REAR SETBACKS TO 30 FEET. THAT REALLY HAS TAKEN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OUT OF THE DEPTH OF OUR BUILDING PADS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT A SWING GARAGE, THE BUILDING PADS ARE ONLY 75 FEET. A SWING GARAGE IS GOING TO TAKE A DRIVEWAY PLUS THE GARAGE, THE FIRST 25 OF THAT, SO IT ONLY REALLY LEAVES YOU ABOUT 50 FEET FOR THE HOUSE AFTER THAT. THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT ON THE BLOGS TO SOUTH. >> I HEAR ALL THAT, BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FIRST READING, I THINK THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING AS FAR AS THE RATIO BETWEEN SIDE AND FRONT FACING. I GET IT LIKE THE EIGHT LOTS THAT ARE NEAR THE INTERNAL PARK AREA ON THE SOUTH PORTION. I GET THAT THAT THOSE MIGHT HAVE TO BE FRONT FACING, AND THEY'RE INTERNAL TO THAT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME BUT LIKE 23 AND 24 AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THOSE BEING FRONT FACING GARAGES. THEN YOU'LL ALREADY POINTED OUT, LIKE, 02,3,4,5,6,7,8 ALONG THAT SIDE. I THINK WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC AND YOU GUYS CAN THINK ABOUT IT, BUT THOSE NUMBERS FOR ME AREN'T GOING TO WORK. WE'LL LET COUNSEL WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL, BUT WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER OR DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GARAGES AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER TOPICS OR QUESTIONS? >> GARAGES, THEN I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT ON THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE AND THEN SOME COMMERCIAL STUFF. BUT WE'RE CLEAR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE WIDER UP FRONT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL JUST HAVE A DRIVE OUT GO INTO THE BACK, AND THEN THEY'RE SWINGING BEHIND THE HOUSE. NOT THE HOUSE, AND ON THE END OF THE HOUSE, ARE THE GARAGES. YOU'RE GOING BEHIND THE HOUSE TO THE GARAGES. >> IT CAN BE BOTH OPTIONS, HONESTLY. >> THEN THAT GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY. >> RIGHT. >> IF YOU HAVE DEEP. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF, LIKE, JUST PUTTING A STANDARD AS A WIDTH AS A GENERAL GENERALIST. WE COULD FIND ANOTHER WAY OF CREATING A MATRIX AS A PERCENTAGE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO GET TO MARY MCCASKILLS POINT. THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO GET MAJORITY OF THESE TWO A VERSION OF A SWING. WE WOULD SAY ANYTHING BETWEEN 83 OR LESS THAT RIGHT NOW IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT WITH THE DEPTHS OF THE REAR SETBACKS AND THE LOT COVERAGES. COMMITTING TO IT MAKES A THE RESIDENTIAL HOME SALE VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTION OF WHAT SIZE HOME OR WHAT YOU EVEN CAN DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE WAY THE SWING HITS. TO OUR POINT, NOT TO REITERATE, WE CAN MOVE ON OBVIOUSLY, BUT I CAN SEE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, ONE THROUGH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 10 OR 11, ALL BE IN SIDE SWINGS. IF WE CAN CREATE A PERCENTAGE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN A MATRIX THAT WOULD MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE TO SAY 83 OR LESS CANNOT BE IT. [02:00:05] I THINK WE CAN ALSO SAY OFFSET GARAGES, MAKE A REALLY ELEVATED LOOK. I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT TO GET THAT MAJORITY, LIKE WE PROMISED ON THE ONE ON THE FIRST READING, TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. >> BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT 15 AND 22. THOSE CAN FACE TO THE EAST, AND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS NORTH AND SOUTH. >> YES, A ONE. >> FIFTEEN AND 22, THOSE GARAGES CAN FACE EAST. >> RIGHT. >> NORTH SOUTH IS THE FACING THE GARAGE. THEN MAYBE 16, 17, WHATEVER, YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> RIGHT. >> BUT, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. >> IT'S A BETTER PRODUCT TO DO IT THAT WAY. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ON THE SAME WAY. WE WERE JUST GETTING WHEN YOU TAKE IT AS A HOLISTIC VIEW AND YOU TAKE THIS FRONTAGE ROADS GET IT GOT REALLY RESTRICTIVE TO GUARANTEE IT. BUT THIS VERSION OF THIS CONVERSATION IS ACTUALLY IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IF WE CAN CREATE THIS OR THE VERSION WHERE WE CAN I MEAN, I THINK TERRY WAS SAYING, WE CAN ALMOST HAVE 26, 27 A OF 37 HAVE A SWING GARAGE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY VERY ACCOMMODATING. >> I ALSO THINK NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I THINK WITH REGARD TO THE SETBACKS, I MEAN, PLANNING AND ZONING DID THAT OBVIOUSLY FOR EMISSION BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK LIKE A MAXIMIZED COVERAGE. BUT I THINK IF YOU THIS IS JUST ME, I'M JUST ONE OF SEVEN. BUT IF YOU CAME BACK AND YOU SAID THESE SPECIFIC LOTS, THE SETBACK ON THE BACK END NEEDS SOME VARIANCE BECAUSE TO ALLOW FOR THIS GARAGE THING, THERE MAY BE AT LEAST FOR ME, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE TO ALLOW FOR THAT BECAUSE. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GARAGE FACING THING THEN SETBACK. >> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO SAY IT. IS IT CREATES VARIANCE OFF THE ONES THAT CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT I THINK REGARDLESS OF THESE HOMES, THE SIZES THAT WE ANTICIPATE THESE HOMES TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY HOW WE DESIGN THESE THINGS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. GREAT POINT. >> THEN THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL. WHEN YOU GO NORTH OUT OF THIS SOUTHERN PIECE, YOU CAN'T GO LEFT. YOU'VE GOT THAT MEDIAN THAT'S CUTTING YOU OFF. I FEEL LIKE 25 NEEDS TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD. THAT THOSE DRIVE AISLES LINE UP BETWEEN THE NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD, SO YOU CAN HAVE FULL MOBILITY EAST AND WEST. THAT MAKES SENSE? >> FACING FROM WHITE CHAPEL FOR A LEFT TURN TO GO SOUTH. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DISTANCE THERE TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL TURN LANE, SO WE OFFSET IT ON PURPOSE SO THAT YOU CAN ONLY TURN LEFT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON NORTH. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE HART CAN'T IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN'T GO TO WHOLE FOODS OTHER THAN GOING SOUTH AND WHITE CHAPEL UP 114 AND NORTH INTO FOODS. >> YOU ALL PULL THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE CLOSER TO Y'ALL. THAT WAS PERFECT. >> THERE'S THE SECOND DRIVEWAY THAT'S OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF THE LOT 14 IS THE. >> YOU HAVE TO GO THERE OR YOU HAVE TO GO UP AGAINST LAMBERTS IN BETWEEN LAMBERTS TO GO TO HOLD. COME FROM THE 25 HOMES,. >> YES, SIR. THE REASON WHY YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT ON WHITE CHAPEL THERE OR NOT ON WHITE CHAPEL ON KIRKWOOD. THERE ALSO IS THE SPACING DISTANCES FOR THE ROUNDABOUT FOR THE THOROUGHFARE. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TURNING LEFT INTO THAT ROUNDABOUT THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE SPLITTER ISLAND, CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT TO HAVE A SAFE TRAFFIC PATTERN THERE? >> A FUNCTIONAL [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT'S A FOUR LANE DIVIDED THOROUGHFARE AND THE GEOMETRY FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. >> IT'S A SAFE. >> CORRECT. >> FROM IT BEING PACKED UP. >> BUT YOU PROBABLY DO YOU TURN WITH YOUR GOLF CART? >> GOLF? >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY FUNCTIONAL. >> HAVE THEM ALL LINED UP? >> MY COMMENT ON THE GARAGE SPACE IS YOU CAN WIDEN THE LOTS ALSO, WHICH THEN WOULD ALLOW THE GARAGE TO HAVE A SOLUTION. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT, I WOULD SAY THAT TERRY MADE A GOOD SUGGESTION, IF WE WERE ABLE TO MAYBE EVEN SHRINK THE PARK AREA, MAYBE BY EVEN PROBABLY 12,10 FEET, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE INTERNAL LOTS ALSO. NOW WE CAN ALMOST COMMIT TO 100% SWING. >> OF 12 FEET 83. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A. >> IT NOTICE. >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION GIVEN YOU GUYS WHAT I THINK ALSO IS A BETTER PRODUCT OVERALL ON THE SWING GATES OR SWING GARAGES. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I KNOW YOU HAD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, WE COULD ALSO MAKE THE LOT SIZE A BIT WIDER, WHICH WOULD TAKE CARE OF YOUR YOU SHRINK YOUR NUMBER OF LOTS DOWN, BUT IT WOULD SOLVE YOUR GOLF. [02:05:02] >> I LIKE THE IDEA AS WELL THAT I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS AESTHETICALLY. IF WE HAD A VARIANCE OF COMING IN WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE A FEW FRONT GARAGES INSTEAD OF THE VICE VERSA, I THINK WE'D BE IN GREAT SHAPE THAT SCENARIO. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE TRAVIS ARE YOU'RE SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW 15 THROUGH 22 ON THE SOUTH ARE THE ONLY ISSUES FOR YOU TO PUT SWING GARAGES INTO AS IT SITS NOW? >> WELL, 11 THROUGH 14 ARE SIMILAR. >> BUT I THINK OF THOSE 12. BUT I THINK IF WE CAN GET THE INTERNAL PARK AREA TO EXTEND LESS, MAYBE ABOUT LIKE 10-12 FEET. >> THAT ISSUE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST, WHAT AREA? >> WE JUST HAVE TO I THINK WE NEED TO COMMIT TO THE SIDE SWING AND WE JUST HAVE TO CREATE CREATE A CREATIVE PLAN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. >> LAST TIME, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT LIKE 5-7 OF THEM. I THINK IF YOU'D HAVE NO MORE THAN 5-7 THAT WE'RE FRONT FACING IF WE DID THAT. BECAUSE YOU JUST COUNT 24, 23 11 THROUGH 14, THAT'S ONLY FI. >> I THINK POSSIBLY THE BEST PATH FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO SOLVE IT RIGHT HERE. BY THE WAY, I REMIND YOU, THAT'S WHY I SAID, DON'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU COME TO SECOND READING, IT'S SOMETHING THE TABLE. >> YES, SIR. >> PERHAPS THE OPTION WOULD BE COUNSEL, WE DECIDE WE GIVE DIRECTION ON PERCENTAGES OR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LOTS THAT CAN BE. WE CAN BE VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT'S VERY SMALL SPACE. WE COULD SAY NO MORE THAN 5-7 OF THESE NUMBERED LOTS. POSSIBLY GIVE SOME TO COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS SUGGESTION, SOME LENIENCY AROUND SETBACKS, POSSIBLY, AS FAR AS CONSIDERING THAT. THEN I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO SPECIFY SPECIFIC LOTS THAT ARE MANDATORY THINGS, LIKE, AS THE MAYOR SAID, LOTS 23 AND 11, THOSE TYPES OF LOTS THAT FOR SURE, THERE'S CERTAIN LOTS THAT HAVE TO BE NON FRONT FACING. >> BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. >> I THINK THE VARIANCE OPTION IS GOING TO BE A GREAT WAY OR PERCENTAGES OR TO THE FIVE OR SEVEN WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO HANDLE THIS IN THIS SITUATION. BECAUSE AGAIN, FROM A BUILDER PERSPECTIVE AND A BUILDING GROUP THAT'S PART OF THIS, WE WOULD PREFER THE SIDE SWINGS, EITHER INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL SIDE SWINGS. >> THE MINIMUM OF 30? THAT OUR SIDE SIDE ENTRY GIVE US UP TO 12 FEET ABILITY TO TAKE UP TO 12 FEET OF THE INTERNAL PART TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? I SUPPORT THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON'S POINT, I THINK 23 AND 24, WE'RE GOING TO WANT THOSE TO BE WE'LL SPECIFY THOSE AS BEING SIDE RATHER THAN FRONT AND GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY ELSEWHERE. TO HAVE UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL SEVEN FRONT FACING. WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. >> I JUST WANT TO ADD. THIS WAS SURPRISING BASED ON FIRST READING AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE GARAGES. I THINK, TRAVIS, IF YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU SAID AND ALL OF THE NORTH LOTS CAN BE SIDE FACING. I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY. I'M WITH AUSTIN. IF THERE'S A SECTION WHERE IT MAKES SENSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO MAYBE LOOK AT REDUCING THAT SETBACK. NOT A LOT. MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION WE CAN LOOK AT, AND IT'S GOT TO BE FAR MORE LOTS THAN PRESENTED FOR ME AS WELL THAT NEED TO BE SIDE FACING. >> YES, MA'AM. I THINK TOO, IF WE WERE TO DO THE PERCENTAGES, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OFFSET GARAGES AS WELL. THAT GIVES AN ENHANCED LOOK. IF WE DO HAVE THE FRONT FACING, IT CAN BE OFFSET. THEY GIVE THAT BETTER LOOK AS WELL. EVERYTHING WE'RE SAYING, I THINK WOULD BE DOABLE FOR WHICH YOU GUYS AS A COMBINED GROUP, GREAT. >> I THINK THAT THE SOUTHERN SECTION IS CONTAINED, SO THAT'S ONE GOOD ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING THROUGH A LOCATION THAT NO ONE'S GOING TO SEE UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THERE. BUT AGAIN, FOR ME, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SHRINKING SETBACKS. I LIKE LARGER PROPERTIES. I THINK I'D JUST HAVE TO SEE IT. >> YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. >> I AGREE WITH SHRINKING OR NOT SHRINKING THE SETBACKS BECAUSE THEN YOU END UP WITH IT LOOKING LIKE METERI WHERE IT'S ALL HOUSE AND NO LOT. THAT LOOKS METER JUST DOESN'T LOOK THAT ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE IT DOESN'T FOR MY EYE. IT DOESN'T. >> I'M A PROPONENT OF KEEPING THE SETBACKS AS IS, AS LONG AS WE GET THE PARK AREA TO BE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT AND WE CAN EXTEND THAT SIDE, AND I THINK WE COULD BE OKAY WITH THE 30 ON THE BACK THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANED. THE SETBACKS I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT AS MUCH AS LONG AS [02:10:03] WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT ON THE INTERNAL AREA. IF WE HAVE VARIOUS OPTIONS ON UP TO SEVEN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT SEVEN LOTS WOULD GIVE US SOME PRETTY GOOD FLEXIBILITY ON THE FRONT FACING GARAGES. >> JUST SOMETHING, THE SETBACK, IF IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW, A 10 FOOT VARIANCE BASED ON WHAT P$Z RECOMMENDED? OR WHATEVER. I'M JUST SAYING, IF THEY'RE FRONT FACING GARAGES, THEN WE'RE HAVING CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY OUT FRONT. THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE. IF YOU CAN HAVE CARS HIDDEN IN THE BACK, AND THE TRADE OFF IS A SETBACK THING THAT WAS MORE ACCORDANCE WITH ZONING IN THEIR ORIGINAL PLACE, IT'S LIKE I'D RATHER NOT HAVE CARS OUT FRONT. >> IF 40% COVERS JUST TO REASSURE THAT, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE ALL AROUND THE HOUSE WHERE METER HAS GOT A LARGER COVERAGE. SO OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE AROUND THE HOUSES, SO IT'S NOT SO ROOFTOP TO ROOFTOP. VISUALLY, IT'S GOING TO LOOK REALLY GOOD. >> BUT GOING BACK TO THE NORTHERN SECTION, WE'RE HEARING THAT WE CAN DO SIDE GARAGES, AND IT'S HARDER ON THE SOUTH SECTION. THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T ON THE NORTH SECTION IS BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE WIDER. CORRECT. ON THE SOUTH SECTION, IF WE TAKE THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU PULL 22 AND 15 OUT AND SPREAD THAT OUT. YOU NOW HAVE ROOM, YOU'D HAVE 16 AND 21 ABLE TO GET THE SIDE AND YOU'D HAVE MORE ROOM FOR 19 2018 AND 2017 TO DO THE SIDES AS WELL. YOU GET RID OF ONE OR TWO OR THREE LOTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THEN YOU CAN SPREAD THOSE OUT AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT THERE AS WELL. IF I KNOW IT'S REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LOTS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT IS THE SOLUTION WITH WHAT HAPPENED UP TOP, WHICH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT ON THE BOTTOM. >> I UNDERSTAND. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT WE'VE GOT ALL NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON AMONGST PARTIES, AND WE'RE REALLY, I THINK, TO TRY TO KEEP THE LOT NUMBER IS SUPER SUPER IMPORTANT. MAKING THESE CHANGES, WORKING WITH ALL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A VAST MAJORITY OF THE LOTS TO HAVE SIGN. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THE GARAGES? ANYTHING ELSE ON ANY OTHER ITEMS? DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO? WE'LL HAVE THE KIMLEY-HORN, ENGINEER. >> LET'S HOLD ON BEFORE WE DO THAT. DIRECTOR KILO, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, AS FAR AS, I THINK IS IT LOT 1 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOTEL OR GAS STATION, AND ANYTHING THAT COME. THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK, TO GIVE US CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, EVERYTHING ON THAT. ON LOT 1, WITH HOTEL, GAS STATION OR WHATEVER, WHENEVER THAT DECISION IS MADE, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT TO US, EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS, ET CETERA, RIGHT? >> YES. >> BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A HOTEL IS IMPORTANT, BUT I'M MOST INTERESTED OR CONCERNED ABOUT A GAS STATION BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUALITIES OF A GAS STATION, AND CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO BE TOP TIER. [OVERLAPPING] >> I WOULD SAY, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST READING, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP LIVE, BUT THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING IS THAT'S NOT PALATABLE TO THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU ALL WERE SOMEWHAT INDIFFERENT TO IT ORIGINALLY, IT WASN'T PROPOSED THROUGH P&Z. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO NOT ALLOW THE GAS STATIONS BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE ENTERTAINMENT AS AN OPTION, SO THAT'S A NO. >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT. >> DIRECTOR KILO, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BASICALLY USES. WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY SITE PLANS OR ANYTHING, GIVING THEM THE GO AHEAD TO START BUILDING A HOTEL OR ENTERTAINMENT VENUE OR A GAS STATION, IF THAT'S INCLUDED, BUT THOSE ARE JUST POSSIBLE USES, AND THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ONE OR I GUESS PROBABLY JUST ONE OR TWO AT THE MOST OF THOSE BEFORE THEY COULD START PUSHING DIRT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. YES. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING AT, RANDY? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH WHATEVER CHOSEN USE. WE'RE POSSIBLY APPROVING THOSE USES, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THEY CAN START ACTUALLY BUILDING ANY ONE OF THEM. >> BUT TO COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS POINT, WE PROBABLY SHOULD DECIDE ON THE USES TOO. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT? >> THE EMAIL WE GOT FROM ONE OF THE LOCAL RESIDENCES TODAY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS THE IMPACT OF [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART. >> I AGREE, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE GAS STATION, SO I'M FINE NOT INCLUDING THAT AS A USE. [OVERLAPPING] I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE 90 FEET. I THINK A HOTEL OR THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WE HAVE OTHER PLACES IN TOWN. I THINK THE 90 FEET IS TOO MUCH. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I DO. YES. >> GO AHEAD. >> A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS HERE, NO PUN INTENDED, LOOKING OVER YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ON THE COMMERCIAL? ALL YOU GUYS, GOOD. [02:15:05] PRETTY SIMPLE STUFF, BUT IT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M NOT SURE IF EVEN I HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S OVER 300 TREES, OVER 200 HARDWOOD TYPE TREES AND 100 MORE ORNAMENTAL TREES AND THEN ALL THE SHRUBS. ONE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME, THIS SEEMS SMALL, BUT I THINK IT MAKES AN IMPACT ON THE LONG TERM AESTHETICS OF A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. YOU HAVE 56, IT'S VERY SMALL. I THINK IT WAS 56 LIVE OAKS LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT. I'D ASK, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO MIXING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, AND LET'S LOOK AT DIFFERENT TYPES OF OAKS LIKE SHUMARD RED OAKS, TREES LIKE THAT. IF YOU DRIVE AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS, LIVE OAKS, THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, YOU THINK OF THE BRADFORD PAIRS AND HOW THEY BECAME SO OVER USED BACK 25, 30 YEARS AGO. LIVE OAKS ARE THAT TREE NOW, AND THEY'RE RARELY MAINTAINED CORRECTLY, THEY BECOME BIG. THEY LOOK LIKE Q-TIPS, AND NOBODY MAINTAINS THEM. YOU HAVE TO REALLY BE ON TOP OF LEGGING THOSE OUT. THEN IN 25 TO 40 YEARS, THEY'RE GORGEOUS. BUT UP UNTIL THAT TIME, THEY'RE NOT. RED OAKS ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. 10 YEARS OUT, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TREES, THEY LEG OUT THEMSELVES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF MAINTENANCE ON THEM, THEY TURN COLORS. THAT'S MY LONG WAY OF ASKING, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO PUT AT LEAST HALF OF THOSE OAKS IN AS RED OAKS RATHER THAN LIVE OAKS? >> [BACKGROUND] CAN YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN CAPTURE THAT AND HEAR BETTER? GO AHEAD. >> SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH NO MORE THAN 50% LIVE OAKS AND THE REMAINING THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS OAK TREES BE VARIOUS, WHETHER THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE] OR REDS BUT ADD SOME INTEREST. IT ADDS INTEREST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> WELL, RANDY, MAKE A GOOD POINT. I'VE GOT LIVE OAKS IN THE BACK YARD, I'M CONCERNED THEY'RE ABOUT TO TEAR UP A LOT OF CONCRETE IN THE BACK YARD. >> THEY DO. >> THEN THE ROOT SYSTEM ONCE THEY GET MATURE. >> [OVERLAPPING] AGAIN, MAYBE AFTER YOU GUYS ARE LONG GONE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN YOU CAN'T GROW ANYTHING UNDER THE CANOPY [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'RE GOOD ABOUT THAT. >> PERFECT. THEN I DO THINK WE NEED TO LAND ON SOMETHING AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM HEIGHTS ON THESE SCREENING SHRUBS. YOU MENTIONED TWO FEET. >> AT PLANTING WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT AT MATURITY OF THREE FEET. THAT'LL GIVE AN INSTRUCTION TO THE LANDSCAPE FOLKS. >> IS THAT SCREENING THOUGH? THAT'S THE THING, THAT'S MY QUESTION. IS THAT REALLY SCREENING ANYTHING, AT THREE FEET? >> THAT'S WHAT DENNIS SAID, THREE FEET IT COVERS THE BODY OF THE CAR. IT DOESN'T COVER THAT ROOF, AND WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT TALL. ANYWAY, I THINK SO. AT A MINIMUM THREE FEET AT MATURITIES, IT'LL BE TALLER AT THE TIME. >> BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DETENTION POND. >> WELL, BUT IF YOU'RE ON, THE PROBLEM IT'S THE DETENTION POND, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE RETAIL. IF IT'S [INAUDIBLE], YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE ROOF'S HEAD. IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT STAYS DOWN IN THIS LEVEL OR SO TALL THAT DEPRIVE YOUR VIEW OF THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SPLIT HAIRS ON IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THREE FEET IS NOT SCREENING MUCH OF ANYTHING. >> THE THREE FOOT IS THE MINIMUM JUST FOR PARKING LOT SCREENING AND WITHIN OUR VARIOUS ORDINANCES. I'LL DEFER TO THEM TO WEIGH IN, BUT MAINTAINING IT AT ROUGHLY A HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 48 INCHES, PROBABLY COVERS THE OTHER PHYSICAL BODY OF MOST VEHICLES DRIVEN IN THE AREA, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HOW ABOUT IT. >> HOW ABOUT WE MAINTAIN BETWEEN 3-4 FT. >> I'M GOOD WITH FOUR FEET WITH WHAT DIRECTOR KILO SAID. I TRUST HIM ON THIS. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE AT MATURITY. >> AT MATURITY, THAT'S FINE. >> [INAUDIBLE] FOUR BECAUSE THEN THEY GET TALLER. >> THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. >> LET'S GO BACK TO THE DRAINAGE. WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE. WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT DRAINAGE ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TOWARDS WHITE CHAPEL. IF YOU COULD GO BACK [OVERLAPPING] IN A FEW MINUTES. >> I APOLOGIZE, LOOK AT THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE AREA MAP. OUR SCALE OF WHAT WE HAVE IS ONE AND SHE'S LIKE 300 FEET. IT'S WITH THE LIGHT HERE, IT'S HARD TO ACTUALLY SEE THE ARROWS TOO WELL. DIM IF YOU CAN HELP ME GET TO THAT SHEET. BUT THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERN IS ABOUT A THIRD TO THE EAST AND TWO THIRDS TO THE WEST. THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PATTERN, WE'VE REDUCED IT TO ABOUT 2.5 ACRES TOTAL DRAINAGE GOING TO WHITE CHAPEL. [02:20:07] THEY'RE NOT GETTING WAY INTO THE DETAILS HERE, BUT THE DRAINAGE AREAS, EACH OF THOSE BUBBLES ON THE RIGHT, CIRCLES REPRESENT A DRAINAGE AREA. THE ONLY DRAINAGE AREA IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION THAT WILL BE DESIGNED TO GO TO WHITE CHAPEL IS THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT WHICH IS ABOUT 2.6 ACRES. ALL OF THE OTHER DRAINAGE AREAS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DRAIN WEST TO THE DETENTION POND. WE ARE CHANGING THE DRAINAGE PATTERN TO SEND IT THROUGH THE DETENTION POND RATHER THAN UNDETAINED THROUGH WHITE CHAPEL. >> WE JUST HEARD FROM CITY STAFF EARLIER THAT ONE OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS TO ELIMINATE ANY DRAINAGE OFF SITE TO OTHER PROPERTIES. IN THIS CASE, EVEN 2.5 ACRES OF LAND IT'S THAT HEAVILY DEVELOPED IS A DECENT AMOUNT OF ADDITION BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE TOP OF THE WATERSHED OVER HERE TODAY [OVERLAPPING] 17 ACRES DRAINING TO THE EAST. WE'RE REDUCING IT TO TWO. >> BUT STILL WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO CORRECT SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, SO I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT TOO TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TO TIE THAT EASTERN SIDE OVER TO SOME AREAS [OVERLAPPING] AND ALSO WHILE I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'RE REDUCING THE ACREAGE TO 2.5, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT AN IMPERMEABLE SURFACE VERSUS A PERMEABLE SURFACE. IT'S HARD TO COMPARE THOSE TWO. >> YES. THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS, THE LIMITS OF THE DRAINAGE PATTERN ON THE EAST SIDE IS THE CENTER LINE OF WHITE CHAPEL. HALF OF THAT DRAINAGE AREA IS WHITE CHAPEL ITSELF, THAT 2.6 ACRES. THAT IS PAVEMENT TODAY ALREADY. WHAT WE LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THAT ROAD AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE WHITE CHAPEL. THE RAIN THAT FALLS ON WHITE CHAPEL WILL STAY IN WHITE CHAPEL. WE CAN'T TAKE IT AND TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY. >> 2.6 ACRES INCLUDE WHITE CHAPEL. >> BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 2.5 ACRES THAT YOU'RE SAYING OF PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BECOME [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT INCLUDES THE WHITE CHAPEL RIGHT AWAY. THE 2.6 ACRES INCLUDES THE WHITE CHAPEL RIGHT AWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A POINTER. >> YES, AND THAT I'M SAYING IT'S HARD TO SEE WHICH PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO DRAIN OVER THE WHITE CHAPEL, WHICH IS NOT. >> THERE'S A POINTER RIGHT HERE. SORRY. I MISSED THAT. THE WHITE CHAPEL RIGHT AWAY IS RIGHT HERE, TRACING IT. THE 2.6 ACRES IS THE WHITE CHAPEL RIGHT AWAY AND UP TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD. >> THEN ALL OF THE RESIDENTS TO THE WEST OF THAT LINE ARE ALL GOING TO DRAIN TOWARDS THE RETENTION POND. >> THE RESIDENTIAL LOT HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN, THAT BUFFER, ALL OF THAT DRAINS WEST TO THE DETENTION POND. >> PERFECT. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW. THANKS. >> GO AHEAD. >> SORRY. I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. TALK TO ME ABOUT ACCESS POINTS FOR THE TRUCKS. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE MEDARY RESIDENTS DELIVERIES AT 5:00 A.M. THAT THING. ACCESS POINTS AND CIRCULATION AND HOURS OF DELIVERIES. >> WE CAN BOTH TACKLE THAT. SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RETAIL UP HERE IN I GUESS THAT'S LOT 2, OUR TRUCK TURN STUDIES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, THEY COME OFF OF THIS PRIVATE ROAD RIGHT HERE, COME BEHIND A CIRCLE AND THEN COME RIGHT BACK OUT AND TAKE A RIDE ON 114. >> I LIKE THAT. WHAT ABOUT HOURS FOR WHEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN? I THINK WE CAN ASK OUR TENANTS TO HAVE SPECIFIC HOURS OF WHAT THEIR DELIVERY IS. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ROGUE TENANTS THAT DON'T FOLLOW THOSE RULES SOMETIMES. WE CAN'T 100% CONTROL THAT. BUT WE CAN WITHIN OUR CC&RS. >> THE LEASE AS SIGNED WITH THAT NATIONAL GROCER? I DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN NEIGHBORHOODS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THEY'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEPS. I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE LEASE GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO DO AS I STAND HERE. >> WHAT ORDINANCES CAN RESTRICT THE WAY THEY USE IT. THE LEASE CAN SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THE ORDINANCES CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. >> THEY'RE DELIVERING MOSTLY IN THE MORNING, [02:25:04] NOT RUSH HOURS AND CERTAINLY NOT LATE AT NIGHT? THAT'S WHEN THEY DO MOST OF THEIR DELIVERIES. >> CAN WE THINK THROUGH AN EMOTION LIKE HOW WE WOULD RESTRICT THAT SO IT'S NOT SO OBTRUSIVE. LIKE 5:00 AM DELIVERY. >> WE'VE DONE THAT WHERE WE JUST SAY NO DELIVERIES BETWEEN X AND X. I THINK CENTRAL MARKET HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN CENTRAL MARKET [OVERLAPPING]. >> AUSTIN, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH ANOTHER SMALL GROCERS DELIVERY SCHEDULE IN TOWN, AND BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY ARE, THEY DELIVER OVERNIGHT. I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT FOR THE RESIDENCES HERE. THEY SPECIFICALLY DO IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. >> BEEPING AND BACKING UP. THEN MAYBE SOME SIGNS IN HERE THAT SAY THAT TRUCKS CAN'T GO THROUGH WHERE THE BLUE LINES ARE. >> SURE. WE CAN DO THAT. LEASERS USUALLY GIVE US THE RIGHT TO DESIGNATE [INAUDIBLE]. THAT IS THE DESIGNATED [INAUDIBLE]. I THINK THAT PROTECTS. THAT'S HOW YOU REALLY PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> FOR SURE. IT'S JUST THE MORE ENCOURAGEMENT, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, THEY MAY FOLLOW THE RULES, THEY MAY NOT SO THE MORE THEY SEE IT, THE BETTER. THEN, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE CC&RS THAT GOVERN THIS RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THE LANDSCAPING IS MAINTAINED AND KEPT UP? I IMAGINE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL THIS ALL TO OR MAYBE YOU WILL SELL IT TO ONE INVESTOR ON THE REVERSION, BUT MAYBE IT'S SPLIT UP. HOW IS ALL THAT MANAGED TO MAKE SURE THE LANDSCAPING STAYS UP? >> IF WE SELL LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDING MIGHT GET SOLD TO DIFFERENT INVESTORS, FOR INSTANCE. WE WOULD HAVE CC&RS THAT PROTECT ALL OF THAT. BUT WHILE WE OWN IT AND DEVELOP IT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING CARE OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINING IT, MANAGING IT. IF WE SELL THE OFFICE BUILDING, WE WILL HAVE PROTECTIVE COVENANTS LIKE THAT. >> I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. >> ANYONE ELSE WITH ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS OR FOR DIRECTOR KILO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. GO AHEAD. >> I HAVE ONE ON THE HOUSING SECTION THAT'S LOT 5, IT BACKS UP TO A PARKING LOT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE BEST PICTURE TO BE LOOKING AT IT. BUT THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH OF A LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT AND THE HOUSES. I JUST WONDERED IF YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO PUT A LARGER GREEN BUFFER AREA IN THERE FOR THE HOUSES ALONG THAT PARKING LOT AREA. >> GO BACK THERE. >> THERE. >> TWO BACK. >> IT IS ONE MORE THAT LOTS ARE THERE. >> THERE WE GO. >> SO IS THERE ANY PLAN TO PUT A LARGER BUFFER AREA THERE? THIS IS NOT THE ONE I WANT TO LOOK AT. >> THIS IS THE PLAN. WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO ENLARGE ANY BUFFER AREAS ON HERE ANYWHERE, BUT WHERE ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? >> WELL, IT'S THE ONES THAT BACK RIGHT UP TO THE PARKING LOT. CAN WE GO BACK A SLIDE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BACK OR FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION YOU ALL ARE GOING. PARKING, YES. THE PARKING LOT AT THE VERY BOTTOM, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS. THOSE HOUSES ARE BACKING RIGHT UP TO THAT WITH LITTLE TO NO BUFFER AREA IN THERE TO THAT PARKING. YOU HAVE A GREEN EVERYWHERE THAT LOOKS SO WONDERFUL. SO I JUST WONDERED IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. >> NO. WELL, THERE'S A FENCE AND THEN ABOUT A 15 FOOT BUFFER THERE AND THEN A DRIVE. >> WHAT KIND OF FENCE IS IT? >> IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY FENCE. SO 80 FOOT PLUS ANOTHER 15 FOOT ROUGHLY BUFFER BEHIND IT. FROM A VISIBILITY AND NOISE LEVEL, IT'S PRETTY ADEQUATE FOR A RESIDENT IN MY OPINION. >> THANK YOU. >> SO 15 FEET SOUTH OF THE MASONRY WALL? >> YES, SIR. >> TOWARDS THE PARKING? >> YES, SIR. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC, BUT OF COURSE STICK AROUND. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AFTER THAT. ITEM 6A IS A SECOND READING. SO IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6A, AND ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WILL BE INVITED TO COME DOWN. WE DO HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS, SO I'LL CALL EVERYONE UP WHO'S ALREADY SUBMITTED A CARD INDICATING THEY WANT TO SPEAK. IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, THAT'S OKAY. IF YOU DIDN'T INDICATE BEFORE THAT YOU DID WANT TO SPEAK, YOU'LL CERTAINLY BE INVITED TO COME ON DOWN. FOR THE RECORD, THE CITY SENT OUT 28 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS, [02:30:05] AND WE HAVE A FEW RESPONSES, AND I'LL READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD. SANMUGA CATNA, AT 2221 WHEELER DRIVE IS IN FAVOR OF 6A. MARY LE ALFORD, AT 1812 ST. PHILLIP AVENUE IS IN FAVOR OF 6A. JIM MILLNER, NO ADDRESS GIVEN IS IN FAVOR OF 6A. BRANDON AND JESSICA BARR AT 212 MURPHY DRIVE ARE BOTH IN FAVOR OF 6A. KATIE AND SARAH LAMBERT AT 2787 EAST SOUTH LAKE BOULEVARD, ARE BOTH OPPOSED TO 6A. JACOB SCOGGINS AT 406, REDSTONE DRIVE IS OPPOSED TO 6A. FRANK BLISS AT 550 RESERVE STREET, SUITE 190 IS IN FAVOR OF 6A. PETER KIRK AT 201 METAIRIE LANE IS OPPOSED TO 6A, AND THOMAS WOLF AT 113 MURPHY DRIVE, STATED UNDECIDED. WE ALSO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MR. WOLF, WHICH I'LL GET TO HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. LET'S GET TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. FIRST, WE HAVE GINGER WOLF AT 113 MURPHY DRIVE. WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6A. COME ON DOWN. IF YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE THREE MINUTES WITH THE GREEN LIGHT. YELLOW LIGHT MEANS ONE MINUTE AND THEN RED MEANS TO TRY TO WRAP IT UP. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. HI, I'M GINGER WOLF AT 113 MURPHY DRIVE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCCASKILL AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. LET'S SEE. WE BUILT OUR DREAM HOME IN THE METAIRIE, [LAUGHTER] AND WE'D LIKE TO ASK FOR EMPATHY FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ALL THE UPCOMING CHANGES IN REGARDS TO SECURITY, PRIVACY, AND NOISE. WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF WALKABLE GROCERY STORE AND RESTAURANTS. WE'RE JUST OPPOSED TO THE GAS STATION. A GAS STATION WOULD BRING UNWANTED TRAFFIC FROM THE HIGHWAY, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT, IF IT'S OPEN LATE OR IF IT HAS 24/7 PUMPS, WHICH ALSO POSES SAFETY CONCERNS. WE ENJOY USING OUR LOCAL YATES GAS STATION, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEW TOM PUMP GAS STATION THAT'S GOING TO BE OPENING UP JUST DOWN THE ROAD. I ALSO DON'T FEEL LIKE IT REALLY GOES WITH THE HIGH END RETAILERS AND RESTAURANT FEEL OF WHAT IS BEING BUILT THERE. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK FOR SUPPORT AS WE NAVIGATE PARTIAL GATING TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM SERVING AS A CUT THROUGH FOR THE INCREASED TRAFFIC TO THE NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS FOR REFERRING TO OUR LETTERS AND CONCERNS THAT OUR COLLECTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD WROTE IN, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND SERVICE ON THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. NEXT, I HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM JACOB SCOGGINS AT 6404, REDSTONE ON BEHALF OF LAMBERT HOME, WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 6A. GO AHEAD. >> JACOB SCOGGINS, 6406 REDSTONE DRIVE. I'M ARCHITECT OF THE LAMBERT PROJECT. WHEN WE WERE HERE PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, BUT THEY'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING, SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THAT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE RECORD FOR THAT. IT WAS REALLY THE SCREENING, THE GAS STATION, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT, AND THEN THAT SECOND DRIVE APPROACH, WHICH WE'VE TALKED WITH BLAKE, HE'S BEEN GREAT, SO YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THAT NOW. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. APPRECIATE THAT. NEXT, I HAVE NEVAS NADAM PALI AT 229 METAIRIE LANE, WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6A. NOT HERE, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE FILE, AND RECORD THE OPPOSITION. JAGADISH DERIMA DUGU, 2001 WHEELER DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A. THOMAS WOLF AT 113 MURPHY DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO 6A. WE ALSO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MR. WOLF DATED OCTOBER 21ST, 2025, STATING CONCERNS ABOUT THE GAS STATION, REQUESTING THAT ANY SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS, RESIDENTIAL WINDOWS, AND BALCONIES DO NOT FACE THE METAIRIE NEIGHBORHOOD, RESTRICTING DELIVERIES IN CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO THE 114, ACCESS ROAD RATHER THAN KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. CONCERNS ABOUT THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND IN THAT REGARD, PROPOSING THE ADDITION OF AN HOA MEMBER ACCESS ONLY GATE. THAT THE HOA MAINTAIN THAT GATE. LET'S TAKE THAT ONE UP. PROBABLY NEED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON, ONE PERSON OR EVEN A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS ASKING FOR A GATE AND MAKING IT A PRIVATE STREET. THAT'S NOT JUST UP TO ONE OR TWO NEIGHBORS. THAT'S AN HOA DECISION THAT HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST THE ONE OR TWO? [02:35:02] >> CORRECT. IT WILL ACTUALLY REQUIRE THE CONSENT OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> THAT CAN HAPPEN LATER ON IF IT GETS BUILT OUT AND THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT, MAKE IT A PRIVATE ROAD WITH A GATE, AND THE HOA TAKES OVER THE COST OF IT AND MAINTAINING IT. >> THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO PURSUE THAT, AND THEY CAN GET THE AGREEMENT OF EVERYBODY WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEEK THAT LATER, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IMPOSE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> CAN I MAKE CLARIFICATION. >> SURE. GO AHEAD. >> CARA, JUST TO NUANCE THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE COMPARING IT TO THE GATE THAT'S PROPOSED AT SHADY OAKS TO THE ACCESS ROAD. WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS THAT THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD BEING PROPOSED BEFORE RESIDENTS ARE IN. NOW, IF WE ARE TO ENCUMBER THIS OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NOT OLD, BUT YOU GET BY. >> EXISTING. >> EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SOMETHING THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH AND DIDN'T BUY INTO, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. THEN, SORRY, LET ME FINISH THAT. THAT I GUESS THE OTHER PIECE IS MAYBE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER STILL HAS CONTROL OVER THE METAIRIE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING OF? >> NO, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SHADY OAKS DEVELOPMENT IS THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S JUST ONE PROPERTY OWNER. YOU HAVE THE ONE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTING THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE ZONING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE SUBDIVIDED AND BUILT. WITH METAIRIE BECAUSE THERE IT'S AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN IF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER IS STILL INVOLVED WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS NOW. WE HAVE TO GET TO THE CONSENT OF ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MODIFY THAT ZONING. >> YEAH, I JUST WANTED THEM TO HEAR THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'LL ADD THIS E MAIL TO THE RECORD OF THE EMAIL FROM MR. WOLF. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6A? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON HAS SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING SPECIFICS ON A MOTION TO APPROVE ON SECOND READING THAT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE MOTION TO APPROVE ON FIRST READING. SO MORE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. RANDY, DID YOU WANT TO START? >> YEAH. WE HAVE A FEW THINGS WE NEED TO SORT OUT. WE'RE GOOD ON THE LANDSCAPE. I'VE GOT THAT IN HERE. WE NEED TO DISCUSS SETTING DELIVERY TIMES FOR THE COMMERCIAL, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN TOWN SQUARE AND CENTRAL MARKET AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. SO I'LL THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION. >> DIRECTOR KILO, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION ON WHAT WE DID WITH CENTRAL MARKET AS FAR AS DELIVERY TIMES, WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED? >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DO NOT RECALL THE EXACT TIME. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S 5:00 AM. I CAN'T DELIVER ANYTHING UNTIL 5:00 AM OR LATER. >> FOR SOME REASON, I FEEL LIKE IT'S 11 TO FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 11:00 PM TO 5:00 PM OR NON DELIVERY. >> THAT SOUNDS CORRECT OR FAMILIAR. >> WE COULD WE PHRASE THE MOTION JUST TO MATCH UP WITH WHATEVER WE APPROVE FOR CENTRAL MARKET THOUGH WE DON'T REALLY ALL RECALL THE SPECIFIC TIMES? >> YEAH. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE COMMERCIAL, THE LARGE GROCER, AND SO FORTH. THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR BUSINESS. I GET THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO THINK OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS AT 2:00 AM ROLLING THROUGH. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THEN THERE WAS THE QUESTION OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. DID WE WANT TO GO AND SET IN THE MOTION WHERE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS COMING IN AND OUT FROM? >> LONG 114 RATHER THAN KIRKWOOD. >> OR WHITE CHAPEL. >> OR WHITE CHAPEL. YEAH. ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? APPLICANTS? CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON 114 RATHER THAN KIRKWOOD OR WHITE CHAPEL. I GOT THE THUMBS UP. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S A HUGE. [BACKGROUND] NO, 114, NO WHITE CHAPEL OR KIRKWOOD. COME ON DOWN TO THE MICROPHONE. GO TO MY CONSTRUCTION. PROBABLY NEED WHITE CHAPEL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. >> WE HAVE TO BUILD KIRKWOOD AND [02:40:01] CONNECT TO WHITE CHAPEL SO WE CAN'T HAVE ZERO TRAFFIC OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL. WE HAVE TO FINISH THE FOURTH LEG OF THE INTERSECTION. > SO THAT I CAN CRAFT THAT AROUND, WITH EXCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INTERSECTION. >> I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE FOR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THE SIDEWALK ALONG OUR SIDE. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PORTION OF WHITE CHAPEL. >> WE CAN SAY THE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO WHITE CHAPEL AND THE APPROACH. >> OR WE COULD DO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 50 FEET OF WHITE CHAPEL. >> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM IS ONCE YOU'VE DONE THAT, ONCE YOU'VE DONE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, BUILDING 37 HOUSES OR HOWEVER MANY AND AN ENTIRE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HERE BECAUSE THAT'S A COMPLICATED INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE. IT'S JUST FINISHED. IT'S A COMPLICATED INTERSECTION. >> YEAH, I THINK THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION COULD BE LIMITED TO KIRKWOOD AND CERTAINLY WOULD NOT COME OFF OF WHITE CHAPEL. >> IF WE JUST SAID THE CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENT OF WHITE CHAPEL, YOUR SIDE OF IT, AND THE APPROACH TO KIRKWOOD, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO COME FROM 114? >> YES. >> YEAH. >> CAN YOU REPHRASE THAT, COUNCILMAN ROBINS? IMPROVEMENT RELATED TO? >> THE IMPROVEMENTS OF WHITE CHAPEL RELATED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPROACH TO TIE IN WITH KIRKWOOD. >> I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THAT. THEN THE LAST THING WAS THE BIG ISSUE ON THE GARAGES GOING AHEAD, THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION IS, CAN THIS BE APPROVED ON SECOND? CAN WE TIGHTEN THAT DOWN TO EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE? [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE THAT HAS ALL THE LOTS WITH THE SIDE AND REAR FACING GARAGE SPLIT. CAN WE SEE THAT SLIDE AGAIN? >> I THINK WE LAND COMFORTABLY SEVEN NO MORE THAN SEVEN? >> SEVEN CAN BE FRONT FACE TO YOUR POINT SPECIFY WHERE IT CANNOT BE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS. >> SO IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK UP, DENNIS, THEN WE CAN SPECIFY THOSE NUMBERS. >> I THINK WE WERE GOING TO SAY ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND LOT 4 TO THE NORTH WAS GOING TO BE SIDE FACING. WHAT ARE WE SAYING WHICH LOTS ARE NOT IF WE CAN GIVE THEM IN GROUPS, WHICH LOTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FRONT FACING? WHICH ONES ARE OFF THE TABLE OF THOSE SEVEN THEY CAN CHOOSE? >> I THINK IT WAS 23 AND 24? [OVERLAPPING] TEN THROUGH 14 WERE THE ONES THAT WE WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SETBACK OR NOT. >> I THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH PUSH BACK THAT THE SETBACK WERE GOING TO. PROBABLY LEAVE ALONE. >> WE WERE REMOVING THE MIDDLE LOTS IN THE SOUTHERN AREA BY INCREASING THE OVERALL WIDTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL BY 12 FEET, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT. SO THAT WOULD MAKE ALL OF THOSE 83 FEET WISE. >> YOU'RE SAYING OKAY, IF THAT WERE TO BE GRANTED, ALL OF THE SOUTH PORTION WOULD BE SIDE FACING? >> NO. THE EIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE. >> REDUCING THE PARK. >> FIFTEEN THROUGH 22. IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, 18 AND 19, 12 FEET INTO THE GREEN SPACE, THAT WOULD GIVE EACH OF THOSE LOTS AN ADDITIONAL THREE FEET. WE CAN MAKE ALL THOSE SIDE FACING. THEN IF WE CAN MAKE ALL THE ONES IN THE NORTH SIDE FACING. >> SO THAT LEAVES YOU ONE THROUGH ONE THROUGH 14 AND 23 THROUGH 25 TO DISCUSS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. >> SPECIFICALLY, YOU REQUESTED THAT 23 AND 24 BE SIDE FACING, SO WE MAKE THOSE SIDE FACING. SO THAT ASIDE, NO MORE THAN SEVEN FRONT LOADING. >> BASICALLY, THEN WE CAN NARROW DOWN TO NO MORE THAN SEVEN FRONT FACING IN LOTS ONE THROUGH 14 AND 25 ON THE SOUTH SIDE. >> TWENTY-FIVE IS ALREADY SET TO BE SIDE FACING. >> SO THEN NO MORE THAN SEVEN FRONT FACING IN THE GROUP OF ONE THROUGH 14 ON THE SOUTH SIDE? >> YES, SIR. >> YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? TWO THROUGH 14. >> YEAH. I'M FINE WITH THAT. >> ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT, GUYS? SEVEN CAN BE FRONT FACING FROM LOTS TWO THROUGH 14. [02:45:02] >> I DON'T EVEN NEED TO DESIGNATE ANYTHING ABOUT 23/24 BECAUSE IT'S EXCLUDED THEN. >> YOU ALWAYS STILL NOTE THOUGH. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO NOTE THAT THEY'VE AGREED THAT 23/24 AND 15 THROUGH 915 THROUGH 22 WITH THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE PARK ARE ALL GOING TO BE SIDE FACING. BELTS AND SUSPENDERS. >> I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER WHEN I GET THERE. YOU GUYS WILL KEEP ME STRAIGHT. WHAT ELSE? >> DO YOU HAVE TO ALSO INDICATE IN THAT MOTION THAT THE ONES THAT ARE SHOWN NOW WILL STAY BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION IN THE MOTION? YOU'RE NOT LISTING 23/25 BECAUSE 25 IS ALREADY LISTED. BUT IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS THAT IN THE MOTION, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING, NO, BECAUSE THE MOTION IS CLEARLY STATING THAT THE ONLY LOTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FRONT FACING ARE TWO THROUGH 14? EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXCLUDED. THANK YOU. THEN WE'RE GRANTING THEM ARE WE AGREEABLE TO GRANTING THEM 12 FOOT ADDITIONAL SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE REDUCTION OF 12 FEET ON THE INTERNAL PARK? I THINK THAT'S FORGETTING THE SIDE FACING GARAGES ON 15 THROUGH 22. >> THEN I THINK THE PREVAILING THOUGHT IS REMOVAL OF THE GAS STATION AS AN OPTION. I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY, BUT JUST THE NOT ALLOWING THAT USE. THEN WHAT I NOTICED IN THE IN THE FIRST READING, THEY SAID THERE'D BE A PHASE ONE PHASE TWO OF THE RETAIL. BUT WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS ALL OF IT IS A PHASE ONE. ALL THE RETAILS DELIVERED IN ONE PHASE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I DON'T WE SAID THAT IN THE FIRST READING THAT IT COULD BE SEPARATED. >> I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE APPROVING. DENNIS, THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 13, AND THE ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FIVE, DATED OCTOBER 13, WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS HAS SAID, IT TRUMPS WHAT WAS APPROVED AT FIRST READING AS FAR AS THE PHASING, CORRECT? >> BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROPOSAL ON TABLE. >> YES. >> YES. IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. >> THANKS. ANYTHING ELSE? >> DOCTOR KILLER, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING OTHER OUTSTANDING ISSUES. GO AHEAD. >> MINE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THAT WAY, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE MY CONCERNS. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AT A SIX STORIES, 82 FEET. >> THE APPLICANT WILLING TO DO SIX STORIES, 82 FEET FOR THE HOTEL BUILDING? >> I DON'T FOR ME, THAT'S NOT EIGHT FEET. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING, 82 OR 90 OR 73, 60. >> JUST ASKING THE QUESTION WAS POSED. >> NO, I KNOW. >> THAT'S NOT A BRED FOR ME. >> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS. I MEAN, MAYBE WE HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. >> DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT ISSUE? COME ON DOWN, SIR. YOU DON'T NEED TO REINTRODUCE YOURSELF. WE KNOW YOU WE'RE GUESSING. WE IMAGINE THE FREEWAY IN WHICH YOU'LL HAVE YOUR PLAN AND THE TALLEST BUILDINGS, MORE IS BETTER. I MEAN, HOW ABOUT WE COMPROMISE IN 2082 OR 84? I JUST KNOW MURPHY'S LAW IS WE'LL GET SOMEBODY. OF COURSE, IF WE COME IN WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LOSE A GOOD HOTEL OVER SIX FEET EITHER, BUT I PREFER TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE. >> I GIVE YOU ALL. 84 AND IF SOMETHING MAJOR WERE TO COME BACK, THEY COULD ACTUALLY COME BACK AND ASK FOR A CHANGE AT THAT SHORT TO TIME, RIGHT? >> YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK. SO WE'LL DO 84 FEET. ANYTHING ELSE? DIRECTOR KILLOS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE AN ADDRESS THAT'S ON YOUR TO DO LIST? >> THEY MENTIONED A REQUEST ABOUT ADDING AN ENTERTAINMENT USE AS A POSSIBLE USE OR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. >> FOR BLOCK ONE. SPECIFICALLY. YOU GOT THAT, RANDY? I'M GETTING IT. IS THAT ALL WE NEED TO SAY, DENNIS, AS FAR AS THE LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWING AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE ON LOT 1, POSSIBLY ON LOT ONE, SUBJECT TO THEM COMING BACK WITH A SITE PLAN? >> CORRECT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE DISCRETION WITH BY DOING IT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. COULD FOLLOW IT WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME PATH AS A SITE PLAN, BUT WOULD ADD DISCRETION THAT'S PROVIDED FOR IN SECTION 45 OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. [02:50:01] >> I LIKE THAT. BASICALLY, LOT ONE NOW IS RATHER THAN HOTEL OR GAS STATION, IT'S HOTEL OR POTENTIAL ENTERTAINMENT VENUE SUBJECT TO AN SUP SITE PLAN. >> ANYTHING ELSE? DIRECTOR KILO. CITY ATTORNEY, ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED? AIR PRO CM WILLIAMSON. LET'S HAVE A MOTION ON 6A. >> CAN I MAYOR? >> COME ON DOWN. >> OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS ALWAYS SUBJECT TO BEING WRONG, BE WRONG A LOT. WAS THAT, HOTEL AND I GUESS NOW ENTERTAINMENT VENUE THAT WE FALL BACK. WE WE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE COULD DO RESTAURANT THERE TOO. DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION OVER CONVENTIONAL RETAIL, LIKES ON THE REST OF THE SITE? WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN. I DON'T HAVE TO AND SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN, BUT WE SURE LIKE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL THE HOTEL MARKET. >> WE WANT TO LIMIT THAT TO RESTAURANT? HOTEL RESTAURANT? >> RETAIL RESTAURANT. I MEAN, JUST MORE OF WHAT WE HAVE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THE PREDOMINANT USE ON OUR SITE IS. >> IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THERE ALREADY. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WERE JUST ADDING THE TWO USES TO THE USES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. >> WE WERE ADDING ALREADY ADDING THOSE. >> THE USES. READY? YES, SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6A, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-837 ZA 25-0045, SECOND READING, ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TRADEMARK SOUTH LAKE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACTS ONE A AND 1A03, JAMES J WEST SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 16 20 AND LOCATED 18001900 NORTHWY CHAPEL BOULEVARD. THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 13, 2025, AND ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN. REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FIVE, DATED OCTOBER 13, 2025. NOTING THE FOLLOWING VARIANCES, WE'RE APPROVING VARIANCES TO THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634 FOR STACKING DEPTH, WHERE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET IS REQUIRED, SPECIFICALLY FOR DRIVEWAY FOUR, WHERE 26 FEET IS PROVIDED, AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT LAMBERT HOMES ON SECONDARY ACCESS AS DISCUSSED TONIGHT, RELATED TO DRIVEWAY FIVE, 58 FEET IS PROVIDED, AND RELATED TO DRIVEWAY SEVEN, 33 FEET IS PROVIDED. ALL THAT WILL BE APPROVED. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN, CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO ECC, APPOOINTMENT CENTER ZONING DISTRICT AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT PERTAINS TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FOR ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 18 FEET, A MAXIMUM OF 65 FEET, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONLY BUILDING PERMITTED TO EXCEED THIS HEIGHT THRESHOLD WILL BE THE HOTEL AT A MAXIMUM OF 84 FEET, SO LONG AS IT IS WITHIN 1,100 FEET OF THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF STATE HIGHWAY 114, BUT NO CLOSER THAN 300 FEET FROM WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD AS SPECIFIED IN THE SUBMITTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BY THE APPLICANT. ALSO NOTING THE ARTICULATION DEPICTED ON THE RENDERINGS WILL BE CARRIED THROUGH ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS SUBMITTED FOR PERMIT. AS IT PERTAINS TO SPECIFIC USES IN THE PROJECT, FUTURE USE OR THAT THE FUTURE HOTEL ENTERTAINMENT VENUE OR TRADITIONAL RETAIL RESTAURANT, BE PERMITTED USES PROVIDED THAT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITH A SITE PLAN AND ELEVATIONS BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A FUTURE DATE. AS IT PERTAINS TO CIRCULATION ON THE SITE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES SUCH AS PARALLEL PARKING, LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, AND ENHANCED PAVING AT PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ALONG PROMENADES, A AND B, INSTALLED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. NOTING WE'RE APPROVING GOLF CART PARKING SPACES AS DEPICTED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. NOTING AS IT PERTAINS SPECIFICALLY TO LOT ONE, THE FUTURE HOTEL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A FULL SERVICE HOTEL, AS DESCRIBED IN THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. AND ALSO NOTING AGAIN THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOWING USE OF A POSSIBLE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, ON LOT 1 OR TRADITIONAL RETAIL AND RESTAURANT USE, AND THAT ANY SUCH USES WOULD REQUIRE A FUTURE SUP SITE PLAN PRESENTATION. AS PERTAINS TO LOT 2, A TEN FOOT MASONRY WALL WILL BE INSTALLED ADJACENT TO THE LOADING DOCK AREA ALONG WITH TALL EVERGREEN SHRUBS, NOTING THAT TALL IS NOTED AT FOUR FEET AMATURITY. A SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREEN WALL AND CONTINUOUS ROW OF EVERGREEN SHRUBS, AGAIN, FOUR FEET AT MATURITY, WILL BE INSTALLED ADJACENT, TO WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, [02:55:02] AS DEPICTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING. NOTING A CONTINUOUS ROW OF TALL, AGAIN, FOUR FOOT EVERGREEN SHRUBS AROUND THE DETENTION POND, AT MATURITY TO PROVIDE SCREENING FROM STATE HIGHWAY 114 AS DEPICTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AS IT PERTAINS TO LOT 3, ALLOWING THE USE OF A DRIVE THROUGH TO BE ONLY FOR A FINANCIAL OR BANKING USE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH COPY ALSO SERVING AS A FULLY FURNISHED OUTDOOR PATIO ON THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE OFFICE BUILDING. ALSO NOTING REGARDING LOT THREE ON THE PAD SITE ADJACENT TO NORTH WHITE CHAPEL, A CONTINUOUS ROW OF TALL FOUR FOOT AT MATURITY EVERGREEN SHRUBS IS TO BE INSTALLED TO PROVIDE SCREENING ALONG NORTH WHITE CHAPEL AND THE SHARED DRIVE WITH LAMBERT HOMES AS DEPICTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AS IT PERTAINS TO ALL HOMES, NOTING THE SETBACKS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS WILL BE 25 FEET IN THE FRONT, EIGHT FEET FOR THE SIDE, AND 30 FEET FOR THE REAR. NOTING NO MORE THAN TWO FRONT HOME ELEVATIONS SHALL BE SIMILAR AND SHALL BE SEPARATED BY AT LEAST FOUR HOMES ON THE SAME STREET. AS IT PERTAINS TO HOMES ON LOT 4, LOT 4 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS, SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 83 FEET, A MINIMUM LOT DEPTH OF 145 FEET, AND A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 12,000 SQUARE FEET. AS IT PERTAINS TO HOMES ON LOT 5, LOT 5, DETACHED FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT, SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 80 FEET, A MINIMUM LOT DEPTH OF 125 FEET, AND A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET. NOTING THE APPLICANT, WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ADJUST THE PLANNED 56 LIVE OAK TREES TO NO MORE THAN 50% LIVE OAK IN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE REMAINING BEING AN ASSORTED VARIETY OF VARIATIONS OF OAKS. NOTING THAT APPLICANT AGREES THAT DELIVERY TIMES TO THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE APPLICATION WILL BE THE SAME AS WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR CENTRAL MARKET. NOTING THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON THIS APPLICATION WILL BE LIMITED TO STATE HIGHWAY 114 ENTRANCE AND EXIT, EXCEPT FOR THE IMPROVEMENT RELATED TO WHITES CHAPEL AND THE APPROACH TO KIRKWOOD, THE KIRKWOOD TIE IN. NOTING THAT WE HAVE REMOVED THE GAS STATIONS AS APPROVED USE. NOTING THAT RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL, NO MORE THAN SEVEN HOMES WILL BE GRANTED FORWARD FACING GARAGES. EXCUSE ME, NOTING THAT SEVEN FORWARD FACING GARAGES ARE ALLOWED 2-14 ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THE WAY THAT'S DESCRIBED? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE MOTION. >> DID YOU READ THE PHASING PIECE? >> THE INSURED. >> WE DECIDE. >> YOU WERE SAYING IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE IN THE OCCUPATION. >> WELL, JUST SAY SELECT A OR B. >> CLARIFICATION APPROVING THE PHASING AS PRESENTED? >> THAT'S FINE. I'LL NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION FOR RELATES TO PHASING OF THE PROJECT, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED PER THE PHASING PLAN PRESENTED THIS EVENING. >> I THINK THE ONLY THING WE'RE MISSING IS THE INTERNAL PARK AREA THAT WE WERE SHRINKING BY. I THINK THE 12. >> GREAT CATCH. >> I HAD THAT WRITTEN DOWN. I COULDN'T I COULDN'T REMAN. THERE WAS A LOT OF MOTION. YOU'RE FORGIVEN. NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT IS GRANTED 12 FEET ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR RESIDENTIAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF LOTS 19 AND 18 TO BE TAKEN FROM THE INTERNAL PARK AREA AS I DEPICTED THE C. THE LAST PART. FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE APPLICANT AGREES TO SUBMITTING CCNRS TO THE CITY PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT RECORDING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW, ENSURING MAINTENANCE AND PERPETUITY OF ALL OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES IN THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND FILED IN THE COUNTY RECORDS, AS DESCRIBED IN THE OPEN SPACE STANDARDS AND MANAGEMENT LETTER. [03:00:02] >> THAT'S GOT IT. DIRECTOR KILO. GOT IT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON 680. WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO ONE. ITEM 6A IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS, GUYS. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT BREAK GROUND. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. I KNOW WE JUST HAVE TWO MORE PRESENTATIONS, BUT WE'LL TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK, AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM 6B AND 6C, [Items 6.B. & 6.C.] WE'LL TAKE THOSE TOGETHER, 6B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 169F, CASE NUMBER CP 25-0003, SECOND READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR 18 35 SHADY OAKS. ITEM 6C IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 4E-839, CASE NUMBER Z 25-0057, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 185 SHADY OAKS. AGAIN, THIS IS A SECOND READING ON BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. IF WE COULD JUST SEE WHAT ANY HOMEWORK THAT WAS NEEDED OR ANY CHANGES FROM FIRST READING AND WHAT WAS APPROVED AT FIRST READING. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO SEE. THEN WE CAN GET THE APPLICANT UP HERE AND THEN OUR DISCUSSION, BUT LET'S JUST FOCUS ON WHATEVER IS DIFFERENT OR WHATEVER WAS NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED COMING OUT AS A FIRST READING. >> PRIMARY CHANGE REQUIRED FROM FIRST TO SECOND READING WAS TO RECONSIDER THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER FROM THE MINIMUM STANDARD REQUIRED, FOR THE STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT OF 30%. THEY HAD PROPOSED JUST 30.26% AND THEY WERE ASKED TO BRING THAT UP 30% OR 33%. THEY REVISED CONSERVATION PLAN TO REFLECT THAT. THIS IS A CONSERVATION ANALYSIS. THERE WOULD BE A MORE DETAILED, TREE PRESERVATION PLAN BROUGHT FORWARD WITH ANY FUTURE PUMARY PLAT. BESIDES THAT, SAME CONDITIONS REQUESTED AS FAR AS SETBACK CONSIDERATIONS ON THE CORNER LOTS AND WHERE SOME OF THE LOTS BUT THE CUL-DE-SAC AND CONCEPT PLAN REPRESENTS THE 50' WIDE LANDSCAPE COMMON AREA LOT AS WELL AS A 50' BUILDING LINE FROM THAT AREA BOUNDARY FROM THE 114 FRONTAGE, 10' WALL, AND I BELIEVE THEY DID ALSO ASK TO BRING SOME WALL SAMPLES WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WALL OR SCREEN SYSTEM THAT MIGHT BETTER IMPACT TREE PRESERVATION. I BELIEVE IN THE SET, THEY HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A PRECAST WALL THAT SLIDES INTO THESE MORE NARROW COLUMNS OR PIERS THAT MAY PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN MANEUVERING THE TREE AREAS. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO ON SOME OF THESE UPDATED THINGS SINCE FIRST READING? LET'S JUST LEAVE THAT SLIDE. ANYTHING FOR, DENNIS? NO. APPLICANT HERE, IF YOU COULD AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN DO LIKE DENNIS, JUST TO HIT THE CHANGES OR ANYTHING NEW SINCE FIRST READING OR ANYTHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. GO AHEAD. >> CURTIS CHAN THE SAGE 1130 NORTH CARROLL IN SOUTHLAKE. TWO ITEMS THAT YOU ASKED US TO BRING BACK TO YOU WERE OUR THOUGHTS WERE AN INCREASE IN THE TREE CONSERVATION, WHICH WE DID TO 33%. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. >> THEN THE WALL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CONTINUOUS GRADE BEAM FOUNDATION. WE THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER ON THE TREES TO DO THAT. BASICALLY, THOSE PANELS SPAN FROM COLUMN TO COLUMN, AND THOSE PICTURES WERE ACTUALLY TAKEN AT THE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WILL TREE GARDENS IN SOUTHLAKE WHERE THEY'RE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS YOU ASKED US TO BRING BACK AND WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YET. >> GOOD WORK ON THE TREES. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT WALL. I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS, BUT I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE ON THAT ONE. BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MASONRY WALL, DO YOU REALLY THINK IT'S NEEDED? DOES IT DO ANYTHING? >> WE TALKED TO THE BUILDERS AND THEY WERE ADAMANT THAT WE GOT TO HAVE [03:05:04] SOME SOLID BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE NOISE OF THE FREEWAY. >> BECAUSE THE NOISE WILL STOP AT 6'. >> IT'S AN 8' AND PEOPLE IN THEIR BACK YARD. IT WILL SCREEN THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THEIR BACK YARD. >> MAYOR, DON'T FORGET TREES DO LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE OFF SEASON. AS A BUFFER, THEY WOULDN'T BE GOOD ALL THE TIME. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WALL. THE ONE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. I'VE SEEN THOSE IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, WHERE THEY DON'T LAST VERY LONG AND THEY FALL APART FROM THE BOTTOM, AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY REPLACING THEM WITH REAL BRICK WALLS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT'S CALLED A THIN WALL? THOSE ARE, ACTUALLY, INDIVIDUAL BRICKS THAT ARE PUT ON LIKE AN ANGLE IRON ALONG THE BOTTOM THERE. WE'VE, BASICALLY, GOTTEN AWAY FROM THE THIN WALLS FOR EXACTLY THE REASON YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE, ACTUALLY, 2' TALL, BY 8' OR 10', IN SOME CASES, REINFORCED CONCRETE PANELS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF THEM SLOG. >> CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT WALL? ALSO, THE PICTURE THAT WE SHOWED WITH THE PANELS. CURTIS, DO YOU MIND GOING OVER TO THAT? THIS IS THE ONE THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, AND THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS WALL AS WELL, IS THIS THE PANELS? NO. THIS IS ACTUALLY A MASONRY WALL, BUT YOU HAD THE ONE WITH THE PANELS. >> THIS IS THE PANELS. >> WELL, YOU HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT I WAS LOOKING AT A LITTLE WHILE AGO. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. WE STILL HAVE A FOOTER THERE. >> NO. THAT IS JUST A GRATE BEAM THAT YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM OF IT, TOO. IT DOESN'T GO DOWN INTO THE SOIL. >> THAT'S GOING TO LAY ACROSS THE TOP. >> IT'S GOING TO LAY ACROSS TO TIE TOGETHER HORIZONTALLY, AND SOME PEOPLE CALL IT A MOOSE TRIP. >> THE DISTANCE BETWEEN EACH ONE OF THOSE POSTS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE 8'? >> EIGHT FEET. >>THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF I WENT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND I GRABBED A LASER, AND YOU SAT ON ONE END OF THE WALL AND I WENT TO THE OTHER END IS GOING TO BE, AND I POINTED THAT LASER AT YOU. MORE THAN LIKELY, I'M GOING TO HIT ABOUT 30 OR 40 TREES BETWEEN THE TWO. I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM. I STILL STRUGGLE WITH THIS TYPE OF WALL BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU WOULD PUT THIS WALL IN WITHOUT A DESTROYING TREES EVEN EVERY 8', AND B, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT STRAIGHT WITHOUT CUTTING TREES DOWN. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, IT'S JUST THESE TREES ARE IN THIS PROTECTED AREA, WHICH IS GOING TO SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED. THEN ALSO, THIS WALL, YOU CAN SEE IN THE DISTANCE, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PANELS STACKED UP OR SOMETHING. TO GET TO THAT, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH TREES TO DO ALL OF THIS. >> WHY WE HAVE THE 10' EASEMENT THROUGH THERE? YOU MADE THAT POINT EARLY ON BEFORE ABOUT THAT. WILL THERE BE TREES THAT THE WALL WILL INEVITABLY RUN INTO? NO DOUBT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 30 OR IF IT'S THAN THAT. >> WE HAVE THE TREE 3%, WHICH IS GOOD, WHICH HELPS. BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH CROSS DOVE AT AMELIA ISLAND, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS UP ALONG 114, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE WROUGHT IRON FENCING, I BELIEVE. WHICH THEN WOULDN'T IMPACT ANYTHING, I WOULDN'T THINK. IT WOULD BE LESS OF AN IMPACT THAN EVEN THIS. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M SOLD ON THE WALL AS WELL TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY. NOW MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S A 150' BACK VERSUS 100, IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL. THAT WAS ONE CONCERN THAT I HAD HERE WAS STILL TRYING TO MAYBE DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL ON WHAT WALL IS GOING TO BE BEST. THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WITH REGARDS TO THE LOTS THEMSELVES ALONG THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TREE CONSERVATION AREA, RIGHT ALONG THAT NORTH SECTION? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST SECTION ALONG THE PREWALL? >> YOU HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EASEMENT. THERE IT IS. THE EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE I THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILD AREA. WE GOT ANOTHER 25' AND THEN 25' INTO THE ACTUAL OWNED LAND. >> THERE'S A 50' SETBACK. >> IS THERE GOING TO BE ROOM FOR A POOL FOR ANY OF THESE HOUSES? >> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A TREE SURVEY ON THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, TYPICALLY ON THESE SITES LIKE THIS, [03:10:01] WHERE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING DONE FOREVER ON THEM. AT THE TOP, ALL YOU SEE IS THE TREE TOPS. I'VE WALKED AROUND THERE SOME. THERE'S, ACTUALLY, GAPS BETWEEN MANY OF THE TREES. >> WHEN YOU CLEAR UP THE LITTLE STUFF, I GET ALL THAT. I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE WE TO FIND THIS EASEMENTS. THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A POOL, I WOULD THINK. >> WELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY, CERTAINLY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT WE WERE ASKED HERE. >> THEN MY LAST COMMENT, SLASH QUESTION FOR YOU IS IF WE CAN GO TO THE OVERALL LOT MAP ITSELF, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHARLI HAD MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT STEPPING DOWN FROM NEARBY LOTS OR ADJACENT LOTS TO SOMETHING REALISTIC, WHERE IF WE HAD A ONE ACRE LOT GOING DOWN TO SF30. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN SF20 ZONING ON THIS, BUT IT JUST WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT LOTS 26, 1, AND 10 COULD BE INCREASED TO 30,000. IT WOULDN'T BE THAT HARD TO SLIDE THAT LINE ON THE WEST SIDE OVER TO THE WEST A LITTLE BIT, TO INCREASE THAT ONE AND SAME THING WITH LOT 1, AND THE SAME THING WITH LOT 26 TO TRY TO GET THOSE TO 30,000. WELL, THEY DON'T MATCH UP ACROSS THE STREET, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A REASONABLE STEP DOWN. THAT'S JUST THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD FOR YOU. >> WELL, THE ISSUES ON BETWEEN LOT 9 AND 10, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE THAT'S 348 AND ONE AT 2706, BUT IT'S MORE OF A WIDTH WHEN YOU'RE LAYING THESE OUTS IS THE WIDTH. WE COULD MOVE THAT LOT LINE OVER INTO NINE, BUT THEN THAT WOULD MAKE THAT A MUCH SKINNIER LOT. WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR A LOT WIDTH OF 100'. WHEN YOU HAVE THE WHAT THEY CALL PIE SHAPED LOTS AT THE END OF A CUL-DE-SAC, YOU RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES. WE STILL HAVE THE 50' BUFFER ALONG SHADY OAKS. IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO LOOK ANY DIFFERENT TO PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND DOWN SHADY OAKS OR THE FOLKS CROSS STREET. >> AGAIN, IT'S A LOT SIZE, AND WE JUST HAD ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH SMALLER LOTS AND HOUSES ON THOSE. I'M JUST LOOKING AT TRY TO GET THOSE AT 30,000 SQUARE FEET. >> SO LOTS 26, 1, AND 10, TRY TO GET THOSE TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM WITH NINE. I GET WHAT, CURTIS, IS SAYING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MESS WITH NINE A LITTLE BIT TO CARVE A LITTLE BIT OFF FOR 10 AND 1, AND EXTEND 26 A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT, CLOSER TO THAT POND. WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. >> WE COULD MAYBE GET 26-30 IN THE OPEN SPACE, BUT WE'VE GOT THAT DEDICATED FOR DETENTION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DETENTION, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SHORT CHANGING THAT. WE COULD MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF IT OUT OF 25, IF WE'VE GOT SOME LEEWAY ON THE LOT WITH THEM FRONT. >> WE'RE TALKING 1,800 SQUARE FEET, SO IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT THAT EVEN THE NORTH SECTION OF THAT LOT LINE COULD STAY AND YOU CAN JUST PIVOT THE BOTTOM OVER TOUCH TO WORK WITH THAT.. THEN LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT ONE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT BIGGER FOR SURE, AND 10 WOULD BE THE STICKING ONE THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT. >> WE COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT TO ONE. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT THOUGH BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE THREE ANY SHORTER. TWO, WE COULD I GUESS BRING IT TO THE SETBACK AND THEN ANGLE THE LINE BETWEEN THEM. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET. >> ON THE EAST SIDE FOR ONE, THE NORTHEAST CORNER WOULD MOVE UP A TOUCH TO MATCH THE OTHER LINE. >> I'M FINE EITHER WAY, IF YOU CAN DO IT GREAT. I FEEL WE'RE SPLITTING AIR JUST A LITTLE BIT. I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO EVER STAND THERE AND GO, WOW, THIS THING IS 30,000 INSTEAD OF 282. THERE'S NOBODY THAT CAN STAND THERE AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS,, THOUGH. IS THE INTENT THAT THE WALL IS IT A MEANDERING WALL? OR IS IT GOING TO BE IS YOUR INTENT THAT IT'S A LASER LINE? BECAUSE THE DEPICTION ON HERE IS A MEANDERING WALL. IT'S NOT. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE AS BIG A TREE PROBLEMS IF IT'S A MEANDERING WALL BECAUSE YOU WORK AROUND IT. >> WHEN WE WERE HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE ASKED FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WORKING AROUND THE TREES. [03:15:02] IF WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON DOING THAT, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT AND MAYBE MEANDER IT A LITTLE BIT. >> I FEEL IT'S SO CAMOUFLAGED BACK THERE. >>MY ONLY POINT ON IT WASN'T REALLY TO BE DIFFICULT, AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU GAVE ON THE TREE PRESERVATION OF 33%, WHICH IS WHY I WAS ASKING FOR THE EXTRA 3% BEFORE WAS BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL WALL ISSUES. SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE MOST OF THAT. AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION OF REALLY THE TYPE OF WALL. SO MEANDERING WALL OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO MASONRY OR CONCRETE PANELS IS FINE. >> THE PROPERTY LINE MEANDERS ON ITS OWN, JUST BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT AWAY OF 114. >> YOU ARE FOLLOWING A PROPERTY LINE THEN? >> BASICALLY, IF WE COULD GET SOME FLEXIBILITY TO, PERHAPS, MEANDER AROUND TREES ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE, NOT A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT SOME, THEN I THINK WE COULD MAYBE CERTAINLY SAVE MORE TREES BY DOING IT. >> THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NORTH OF HERE THAT WE WERE REFERENCING. THAT SETBACKS LIKE 200' OR 220, BUT IT HAS FLOODWAY, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO SETBACK FURTHER THAN THIS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DO THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL MAKING THIS MOVEMENT, AND I THINK IT'S HUGE. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT'S WHY THAT DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED. SO IT WORKS HAVING A WROUGHT IRON FENCE. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST THIS LONG WALL ALONG 114. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO COMMERCIAL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. BECAUSE OF THE WINTERTIME AND PEOPLE SITTING ON THEIR BACK PORCH LOOKING AT 114, THAT KIND OF THING. I JUST THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY IF YOU DON'T DO COMMERCIAL. BUT I LIKE SETBACK. I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS YOU'VE DONE TO GET THERE ON THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION REGARDING SETBACKS JUST TO REFRESH ME BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS SO MANY TIMES. WE HAVE A 50' LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND I REMEMBER WE ADDED THE 50' BUILD LINE BUFFER RIGHT TO GET TO 100 FEET. AND WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT? I WAS JUST VISIBILITY OFF OF 114? THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP PUSHING. THE ISSUE OF A POOL THOUGH IS A REAL ONE. THAT IS ONE, AND I HATE TO LIMIT THOSE POTENTIAL BUYERS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT BUILD LINE AND THE WAY THESE HOUSES ARE DEPICTED ON HERE, YOU'RE BUILDING RIGHT UP TO THE BUILD LINE. SO THERE IS NO POOL. >> WELL, IF IT'S JUST A BUILD LINE, THE POOL COULD GO WITHIN A BUILD LINE. THE BUILD LINE IS JUST FOR A RIGHT. >> SO AN UNDERGROUND POOL CAN GO INSIDE OF THAT 50' BUILD LINE? >> YEAH, IF IT'S A BUILD LINE. >> WELL, THAT SOLVES IT THEN. THANK YOU. >> YOU COULD DO IT. >> IT'S WIDE. >> IT'S A BUILD LINE. >> I HATE TO SEE LATER WE GOT NINE PROPERTY OWNERS SAY I GOT [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS CURTIS. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A POOL BUILDER, BUT HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU NEED TO BUILD A POOL? BECAUSE WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WHAT IT MAKES SENSE IF WE MAKE IT A 40' BUILD LINE OR A 35 TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT EXTRA 10-15' TO PUT A POOL IN? >> IT'S A HALF ACRE, THOUGH. AS LONG AS YOU CAN BUILD WITHIN IT, WE HAVE A GAZILLION HALF ACRE LOT TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A POOL. >> I THINK WE'RE OKAY. >> YOU'RE OKAY. >> 50' BUILD LINE, BUT AS LONG AS THERE'S ONLY A BUILD LINE. CALL IT A BUILD LINE IN YOUR MOTION, AND THEN BECAUSE WE CAN PUT A POOL WITHIN A BUILD LINE. >> IT'S IN THE APPLICATION, SO I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT IN A MOTION. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR, CURTIS? TAKE A SEAT, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, MAYBE. I'M GOING TO 6B AND 6C, OUR SECOND READING. SO I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH ITEM 6B AND 6C. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING 6B AND 6C? I ALSO WILL NOTE BEFORE I BRING PEOPLE DOWN, 33 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT. RESPONSES FROM GREG KRAUS AT 596 GARDEN COURT IN SUPPORT OF RESIDENTIAL ESTHER SPICKLER, AT 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE IS OPPOSED. I HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM ESTHER SPICKLER, 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, STATING SHE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. ARE THESE ITEMS 6B AND 6C? YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON 6B AND 6C? >> IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FOR THESE ITEMS. >> ESTHER SPIKLER, 1950 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, SOUTHLAKE. I WANT TO JUST REMIND YOU ALL THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY HERE EVASALATES A GREAT DEAL, [03:20:03] SO THAT WALL ISN'T GOING TO BE STRAIGHT LIKE THE PICTURE THAT YOU SAW. UNLESS THEY PLOW IT ALL DOWN, WHICH THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE TREES, AND IT'S VERY WET LAND. YOU'VE HAD TWO OTHER RESIDENTS COME UP FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF SOUTHLAKE TONIGHT WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT NOW DRAINAGE THAT IS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. AGAIN, I'LL REMIND YOU IF I MAY THAT WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN SIX HOMES BUILT ON SHADY OAKS, THE NORTH PART HERE, AND BIG HOMES THAT HAVE REPLACED SMALLER HOMES, AND WE HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM ALREADY ON SHADY OAKS. THE LITTLE BRIDGE AT 1700 SHADY OAKS WENT OUT TWICE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MINE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AGAIN TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6B OR ITEM 6C? MR. KRAUS, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, EVEN THOUGH I JUST READ IT INTO THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING. GREG KRAUS, 596, GARDEN COURT, SOUTHLAKE. FIRST, I WANT TO JUST COMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT'S GONE INTO THIS PROJECT. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FOCUS ON 114. I DO WANT TO REFOCUS THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE ALONG SHADY OAKS. WITH THIS REVISED PLAN, WHICH I DON'T THINK I OR MY NEIGHBORS SAW ANY ADVANCE WARNING AHEAD OF THE FIRST READING, WHERE WE SAW THIS SITE PLAN, THE LOT CONFIGURATIONS HAD BEEN CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT BACKYARD AND SIDE YARDS OF LOTS 25,26, 01, 9, AND 10. I WOULD JUST URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER REQUIRING ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT 5'6 INCH CALIBER TREES ALONG THAT SETBACK WHERE THERE ISN'T A LOT OF EXISTING TREE COVERAGE TO TRY AND BUFFER SOME OF THOSE BACKYARD VIEWS THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS FEASIBLE, BUT WE'RE ALSO IN A SLOWING HOUSING MARKET RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BACK UP TO 114. WE'VE DEBATED AND TALKED ABOUT THAT. COULD THE COUNCIL GIVE CONSIDERATION, AND DO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF SOLD LOTS OR LOTS WITH SIGNIFICANT NON-REFUNDABLE EARNINGS MONEY BE PUT UP BEFORE THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS COMMENCES? IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR MAYBE YOUR COMMENT ON. THEN LASTLY, AGAIN, WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN AS MANY OF THESE BEAUTIFUL ORIGINAL TREES, THAT THERE IS JUST AN INSPECTION PROCESS THAT KEEPS THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FROM GAMING THE SYSTEM AND TAKING OUT A LOT MORE TREES THAN CONTEMPLATED AND ADHERING TO THE PRE-PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH BY ALL OF YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. DIRECTOR KILO, CAN WE GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND SEE WHAT'S IN THOSE 50-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ALONG SHADY OAKS? >> TO REPRESENT [INAUDIBLE] SHOWING THE APPROXIMATED TREE COVER IN THOSE AREAS. THEY DON'T REPRESENT OR NOR WOULD THE STANDARD REGULATIONS REQUIRE ANY BUFFER YARD PLANTINGS, THEY ARE PRESERVING AND ALLOCATING A 50-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER EASEMENT THAT WOULD RESTRICT ANY CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THAT AREA ON THE LOT, BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT OF IT, AND TREE PRESERVATION AT THIS POINT, WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PRESERVE TREE-WISE IN THAT AREA. [03:25:02] >> CAN YOU CLARIFY THE LIME GREEN THAT'S DESIGNATED IN THE 50-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG NORTH SHADY OAKS? IS THAT INDICATIVE OF CURRENT TREES THAT WILL BE PRESERVED? IT IS A CANOPY OVERVIEW? >> YES. IT FOLLOWS THE PATTERNS AND THE TREE PRESERVATION ANALYSIS. >>THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU, DENNIS. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU WISHES? COME ON DOWN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE'LL COME BACK OVER ON THIS SIDE JUST A MOMENT. NO, GO AHEAD. >> REBECCA SHIVERS, AT 1735 SHADY OAKS DRIVE. I MISSED THE FIRST MEETING BECAUSE I HAD TO HAVE SHOULDER REPLACEMENT. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, THERE REALLY IS VERY LITTLE TREES BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR PROPERTY, SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE TREES IN THAT GREEN EASEMENT THERE. THOSE WERE CLEAR-CUT BY HORIZON WHEN THEY PUT IN FIBER-OPTIC, AND SO THERE'S A BIG WIDE, UGLY STRIP IT'S JUST NEGATIVE TREES IN FRONT OF ALL THE OTHER TREES. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT GREEN IS MAYBE YOUNG TREES, YOUNG THINGS GROWING UP. >> ALONG SHADY OAKS OR LONG 114? >> ALONG SHADY OAKS. NO, NOTHING'S BEEN TOUCHED SINCE THEY PUT THE ROAD IN THE HIGHWAY, BUT LIKE MY NEIGHBORS, I DID NOT REALIZE THE RENDITION I SAW FOR THE MEETING I WAS ABLE TO COME TO MONTHS AGO. HAD ALL OF THE HOUSES FACING SHADY OAKS, AND TRYING TO MATCH UP WITH WHAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET. I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S CHANGED BECAUSE I KNOW GETTING OUT ON SHADY OAKS ALL THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED, BUT I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE FROM SHADY OAKS SIDE YARDS AND BACKYARDS. THAT'S A INTERESTING TO ME. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT FENCING. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WALL, BUT WHAT FENCING IS AROUND THESE PROPERTIES? OTHERWISE, ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING THROUGH WROUGHT IRON FENCING TO THEIR BACKYARDS OR SIDE YARDS, OR ARE THOSE MASONRY WALLS, AND DOES THAT CARRY OVER TO ALONG BETWEEN ME AND THEM BECAUSE I'M ON THAT WHITE BLOCK RIGHT THERE? THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M SORRY I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO INVESTIGATE BEFORE SEEING THIS, BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING BETWEEN IN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER EASEMENT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PLANTED BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE THERE AND WHAT'S THERE IS JUST NATURAL GROWTH OVERGROWN, NOT MUCH OF ANYTHING, VINES AND THINGS, AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH OF A BUFFER TO BLOCK. THOSE YARDS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. JUST LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE HAPPY WITH TOO. >> THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE A SLIDE ON THE FENCING ON THOSE LOTS. DO WE HAVE THAT DIRECTOR KILO? SPECIFICALLY, ALONG SHADY OAKS, OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, MAYBE MR. YOUNG CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE. THERE WE GO. >> THERE IT IS. IT'S A SIX-FOOT WROUGHT IRON PROPOSED ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF THE BUFFER EASEMENT, AND THEN ALONG THE EASTERN OR ACTUALLY SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, LOTS 11 THROUGH 15, THAT'S CEDAR WOOD FENCE OR RETAIN THE EXISTING. >> THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM? COME ON DOWN. PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN GO AHEAD. >> RHONDA KRAUSE, 596, GARDEN COURT. I THINK THIS IS POORLY. I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I AM. I THINK THIS IS HORRIBLE. THE FENCING. IT'S HODGEPODGE. [03:30:02] I KNOW WE ALL CARE ABOUT 114 THE MOST, BUT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT SHADY OAKS AND THAT BEAUTIFUL PART OF SHADY OAKS, AND TO HAVE A SIX-FOOT IRON FENCE LOOKING AT THE BACK INTO THEIR BACKYARDS OF THESE HOMES. I THOUGHT STUPIDLY THAT THOSE FIVE HOMES, 25,26, ONE, NINE, AND 10 WE'RE GOING TO FACE SHADY OAKS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BIGGER LOTS. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTIER, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH HOW DO THEY GET INTO THEIR GARAGE ON THE BACK. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE BACK. IT'S GOING TO BE RUINED. SHADY OAKS IS GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY RUINED TO LOOK AT THE BACK OF THESE HOMES THROUGH A SIX-FOOT IRON FENCE. IN MY OPINION, IT NEEDS TO HAVE CONTINUITY. INSTEAD OF A SIX-FOOT CEDAR WOOD FENCE ALONG THE SIDE, YOU'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FENCES. THAT'S SILLY. YOU'VE GOT ACCORDING TO YOU AND TO KATHY, THE GREAT WALL OF SOUTHLAKE. ACTUALLY, THE GREAT WALL OF SOUTHLAKE GOES FROM WHITE'S CHAPEL BETWEEN THAT CVS AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME. I'D LIKE TO SEE A BETTER-LOOKING MASONRY WALL ALONG THAT SHORT AREA OF 114. BRING IT AROUND WHERE THE CEDAR WOOD FENCE IS, BRING IT UP TO THE RETENTION POND, AND THEN THE SIDE OF 26 AND 27 WOULD BE AN IRON FENCE SO THAT THOSE PEOPLE, IF THEY CHOSE, COULD LOOK THROUGH TO A BEAUTIFUL WATER FEATURE, AND REBECCA IS CORRECT. THERE IS NO TREES. IT IS JUST FLAT. THAT WAS A CATTLE PATH. SHE KNOWS I KNOW ABOUT THAT SINCE I USED TO FEED HER COWS. IT IS JUST THERE AREN'T ANY TREES THERE. I REALLY ENCOURAGE AND BEG ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE REALLY GIVE THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION TO THIS WALL FENCE. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME CONTINUITY, AND IT WOULD LOOK MUCH NICER. IT WOULD LOOK MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL. THIS COULD BE A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. WE'VE AGREED TO THIS. IT JUST I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE BACKS OF THROUGH AN IRON FENCE LOOKING AT THE BACKS OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6B OR 6C? NO, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S START WITH THAT LAST ITEM ABOUT THE FENCING ALONG, I GUESS, PARALLEL TO SHADY OAKS. ON THE BACKS OF 25, 26, ONE, NINE, AND 10. I GUESS WE COULD GO WITH A MASONRY WALL OR ADD MORE LANDSCAPING INTO THE 50-FOOT BUFFER TO GUARD AGAINST THE LOOKING INTO THOSE BACK YARDS FROM SHADY OAKS. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? >> WE LIVED IN CROSS TIMBER HILLS FOR 10 YEARS, AND SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND IT IS BEAUTIFUL. SHADY OAKS, THE WHOLE ROAD. IT'S CHANGED. THERE'S BEEN SOME OTHER HOUSES BUILT, BUT BY AND LARGE, IT STILL HAS THAT SAME COUNTRY LANE FEEL FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WE LISTEN TO FOLKS. I DON'T KNOW THAT A MASONRY WALL ON SHADY OAKS WOULD LOOK GREAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT DETRACTING FROM THE BEAUTY OF THE LANE. I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT CAN BE SOME COMBINATION OF MAYBE AN IRON FENCE AND SOME LANDSCAPE THAT WILL BLOCK THE VIEW THROUGH THE FENCE. JUST SOME COMBINATION. I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST CONTEMPLATING IT. I AGREE, THOUGH. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LANE. IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOOK IN THE BACK YARDS OF FOLKS EITHER, SO I THINK IT'S WORTH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, CERTAINLY. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE TOLD US ABOUT THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE BACK YARDS ON THAT BEAUTIFUL LANE, NOT THE FRONT YARDS. PERSONALLY, I'M SAD TO SEE THE ONE-ACRE LOTS GO IN FRONT. I REALIZE THEY'D HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME LOTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE I LIKE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE 114 SIDE. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE ACRES FACING [03:35:04] THEIR FRONTS TO SHADY OAKS TO BE CONSISTENT AND TO MAINTAIN THAT LANE LOOK. I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR WITH THE BUILDERS, BUT I THINK IT'S A BETTER IDEA TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THAT AREA. >> I AGREE WITH WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE ALONG SHADY OAKS. I DON'T LIKE THE MASONRY WALL IDEA DOESN'T FIT THERE. WE COULD KEEP THE IRON FENCING ALONG SHADY OAKS, BUT ADD IN MORE LANDSCAPING, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN JUST SECOND CURTIS, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT, IF THAT'S THE PATH WE GO WITH, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME NUMBERS AND WHAT SHRUBS OR HEDGES OR WHATEVER, WHAT TYPES OF PLANT MATERIAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IS FILLING THAT IN TO BLOCK THOSE VIEWS. GO OVER TO THIS SIDE OF THE DICE. >> ACTUALLY, I AGREE WITH THAT TOO BECAUSE SHADY OAKS HAS A AGAIN, A CERTAIN FEEL. I THINK THAT IF I WERE A DEVELOPER, GIVEN THE CHOICE BETWEEN SPENDING THE MONEY ON SOME TYPE OF MASONRY WALL ON THAT SIDE AND PUTTING IN AN IRON FENCE AND PLANTING A TON OF TREES ALONG THERE AND BLOCKING THE VIEW, THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE MUCH MORE REASONABLE ON COST TOO, ONE WOULD THINK. AGAIN, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCHARLI ON LOT SIZE, WHICH IS WHY I WAS BRINGING UP GREATER THAN 30,000 SQUARE FEET. I WANT TO THROW ONE OTHER WRENCH IN THIS JUST TO CONSIDER AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT THE SITE PLANNING STAGE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK THERE IS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION HERE SO WE'VE HEARD ABOUT SOME DRAINAGE TONIGHT. WE'VE HAD A FEW RESIDENTS SPEAK OUT AND ONE ACROSS THE STREET. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS DRAINAGE GOING ACROSS SHADY OAKS FOR A WHILE AND NOT JUST ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE AND WE'VE SEEN DAMAGE ON SHADY OAKS JUST THIS PAST SUMMER. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THAT RETENTION POND THERE LOOKS TO BE ABOUT MAYBE AN ACRE IN SIZE, AND AN ACRE SIZE RETENTION POND IF IT'S EIGHT FEET DEEP IS ABOUT 2.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FREE BOARD ON IT AND A 100-YEAR FLOOD ZONE, AND IT'S FED IN, AS WE HEARD PREVIOUSLY FROM KIMLEY-HORN. THE LAST TIME THAT WE MET ON THE TRADEMARK PROPERTY, THAT ACCORDING TO THEM, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG COMPANY, THAT DRAINAGE IS COMING FROM THE ROADWAY OF 114. NOW, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT 2.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER MAY SOUND A LOT. BUT IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN AND I'VE BEEN TO THIS PROPERTY AND LOOKED AT IT DURING A MAJOR RAINSTORM, AND THAT 2.5 MILLION GALLONS IS GOING TO FILL UP WITHIN AN HOUR. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE LONG SO WE HAVE A CHANCE NOW WITH THIS TO TRY TO CORRECT SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHADY OAKS THAT THEN IS GOING TO FLOW NORTH, AND WE HAVE A CHANCE NOW TO HELP SLOW THAT DOWN. I DO THINK AND I'M SURE CURTIS WILL TELL US THAT PUTTING IN THE RETENTION POND IS GOING TO HELP SLOW THAT DOWN. I JUST THINK THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO BE RESTRICTIVE ON MAKING SURE THAT THE DESIGN OF THAT MEETS A 50-YEAR FLOOD RAIN EVENT OR A 25-YEAR TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER TO CONTAIN THAT WATER. WE HAVE A CHANCE NOW TO CORRECT A CURRENT DRAINAGE ISSUE ON PART OF THE CITY. >> CURTIS, WOULD WANT TO COME ON DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS THE POND SIZE OR DEPTH ON THAT ISSUE, THEN ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS. >> REGARDLESS OF WHERE AND HOW MUCH THAT IS COMING EITHER ACROSS THE FREEWAY OR OFF OF THE FREEWAY INTO THAT DRAINAGE WAY THERE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT DRAINAGE WAY IS INDICATED BY THE DASHED BLUE LINE ON THIS. THE CITY HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT DETENTION POND HAS TO BE SIZED SO THAT IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE DRAINAGE FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING CURRENTLY VIA THE DEVELOPMENT. THOSE PLANS WILL BE PREPARED BY CIVIL ENGINEER THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THAT, AND THOSE WILL BE REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF THAT OR THEIR CONSULTANTS, HOWEVER THEY DO THAT. IT WILL MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS, AND I THINK IT'S 100-YEAR STORM, ACTUALLY. >> IT'S 100-YEAR STORM PLUS ONE FOOT OF FREEBOARD. I DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN THE ENGINEERS DO THIS, AND MAYBE THEY DO IF THEY DESIGN IT BASED ON A 100-YEAR STORM EVENT IN ONE DAY, BUT WE HAVE DAYS WHERE WE HAVE 100-YEAR STORM EVENT FOR EVERY DAY FOR A WEEK. I'M NOT SURE, WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW SO BECAUSE, [03:40:02] AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT. I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE SEE OR AT LEAST I SEE SO FAR BEING ON COUNCIL, IS WHEN THIS STORM EVENT IS CALCULATED, AND WHEN THIS RETENTION POND IS CALCULATED, IT'S BASED ON THAT DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS ALREADY GOING TO HAVE A TON OF WATER COMING FROM OFFSITE. >> CONSIDERS THAT TOO. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT RETENTION POND BECAUSE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HELP OUT PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM NOW. [OVERLAPPING] >> KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CREEK IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHADY OAKS. THERE'S WATER COMING FROM THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY UP, PRETTY MUCH THE WEST SIDE OF SHADY OAKS FLAME. >> THEN WE HAVE ALL OF THIS, WHICH AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE, SO I'VE SEEN IT AND IT'S A LOT. I'LL BET IT COULD FEEL THE RETENTION POND UP IN LITERALLY LESS THAN AN HOUR. >> OF COURSE, ONCE EVERY 100 YEARS ON AVERAGE, IS THERE 100 YEAR STORM? THE STORMS THAT MOST PEOPLE EXPERIENCE ARE THE 10-YEAR STORM OR SOMETIMES THE 20-YEAR STORM. HAVING A DETENTION POND THAT IS BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE 100-YEAR STORM ENDS UP MAKING THOSE LESSER STORMS A LOT BETTER. I THINK OFTENTIMES, DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPROVE FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS JUST BECAUSE IT'S SIZED FOR THE MASSIVE STORM. >> LET'S GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPING OR FREEZE ALONG SHADY OAKS AND THAT BUFFER ALONG 25, 26, 1, 9,10. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, GUYS, I THINK THAT THE STICKING WITH THE IRON FENCE WOULD BE BEST, SAVE TREES AND OTHER THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. NOW, I WILL SAY THIS 50 FEET IS BEYOND THE HATCHED AREA THERE, WHICH IS A RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION THAT WE'D BE GIVING FOR SHADY OAKS. IT'S REALLY MORE LIKE 75 FEET FROM THE EXISTING RIGHT AWAY INTO THERE. YES, WAS THERE SOME UTILITY WORKS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE ROAD THERE? BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER INTO THOSE TREES THAN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS MAY REALIZE. BUT THAT SAID, I THINK THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES WITHIN THAT BUFFER THERE, BUT WHERE THERE'S NOT, WE'D BE OPEN TO ADDING. >> LIKE HOLLY BUSHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S THICK. >> BUSHES MAYBE EVEN SOME TREES IN THE AREAS IF THERE'S A LARGER GAP NO FURTHER THAN 30 FEET APART, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES. >> WE'LL MESS WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS? GO AHEAD. >> BUT DIDN'T I HEAR IT RIGHT? RHONDA'S FEEDBACK WAS, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THE WROUGHT IRON UP AGAINST SHADY IS NOT PREFERABLE. MAYBE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 27 AND 26, BUT UP AGAINST SHADY TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S SEE THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT INTO THEIR YARDS. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO ADD ALL THAT LANDSCAPING. >> LANDSCAPING. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE CONSENSUS IS NOT FOR RETAINING WALL THERE OR FOR A MASONRY. >> NOT MASONRY. NO, BUT I'M WONDERING SHOULD IT BE WOOD LIKE IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST? I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT. I'M ASKING IT IS FOR DISCUSSION. >> I THINK WOOD OBVIOUSLY BLOCKS THINGS, BUT I THINK THE FEELING IS IT'S ALONG A STREET, IT'S A LESSER QUALITY LOOK AND THE WROUGHT IRON WIDTH LANDSCAPING IS A BETTER WAY TO TO GO. >> I DON'T THINK I WANT A WOOD FENCE ALONG, SHADY OAKS. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS THAT SO I'D RATHER DO THE LANDSCAPING. COMBINATION OF SHRUBS WHETHER IT'S COOLIES OR WHATEVER TREES. WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT AND LEAVE THE IRON FENCE, BUT BLOCK THE VIEWS. I THINK THE VIEW IS THE BLOCKING THE VIEW, BUT I THINK DOING IT WITH LANDSCAPING IS BETTER THAN A WALL. >> I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES, MAYOR THAT'S COMPLICATED BECAUSE HOW DO YOU BEGIN TO PUT A NUMBER ON THE NUMBER OF HOLLIES OR HARDWOOD TREES? WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S SOME EXISTING, WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW FAR OFF THE ROAD. THERE'S SO MUCH THERE, WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH A MOTION THAT JUST SIMPLY SAYS, APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPE SHIELDING AT THE APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPE ADMINISTRATOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> DIRECTOR KILO, YOU GUYS HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON WHETHER THAT REALLY BLOCKS THE VIEWS? I THINK THAT'S THE CLOSEST THING YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO REALLY BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT PREPARED TO GO. WE NEED 40 HOLLY TREES THAT ARE 10 GALLONS AND [03:45:02] THREE OAK TREES THAT ARE SIX INCH I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BEGIN TO PUT THAT TOGETHER. I'D RATHER HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE TRUST. >> THAT CAN BE IT OR YOU COULD SAY, WE HAVE THESE BUFFER YARDS THAT WE PUT AROUND COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT YOU CAN SAY, SIMILAR TO A TYPE B BUFFER YARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH AS A WAY TO BUFFER THINGS. BUT EITHER WAY, I'M GOOD. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO COUNT TREES AND [INAUDIBLE]. I'M JUST TRYING TO WE LEAVE IT WITH DENNIS OR KEITH MARTIN, MAKE SURE IT'S. I THINK WE HAVE AN UNDERSTAND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE ON LOCKING THAT VIEW. >> DENNIS, WOULD THAT BE BETTER WITH YOU OR WITH KEITH? >> YOU CAN PLACE IT ON THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE LAND ADMINISTRATOR. I THINK OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY VISUALIZE THE SITE AS THEY PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION TO ANALYZE WHAT WE THINK IS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THE DESIRED VISUAL BUFFERING. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THERE MAY BE CONSTRUCTION ON LOT 9, AND THEN MAYBE SOME TREES DIE OR SOMETHING. MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON AND SEE WHERE WE NEED TO FILL IN THE GAPS. >> CAN SOMEBODY CLARIFY FOR ME, WILL THERE BE AN HOA FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE I WANT TO PLANNING AND GETTING SOME SHRUBBERIES OR WHATEVER TO GIVE THAT MORE OF A LANE FEEL. IF THE HOA DOESN'T MAINTAIN THEM AND THEY DIE, THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE LATER DOWN THE ROAD AND SO WE NEED TO TIE THAT IN SOME WAY SO THAT STUFF STAYS MAINTAINED. >> REQUIRING HIM TO BE IN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE, I BELIEVE, IF YOU WERE TO WORD IT LIKE THAT. >> GET THAT MR. WILSON. >> I'M STUCK ON THIS 30,000 THING, AND I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY DIFFER AN OPINION WITH THIS, BUT IT'S JUST A STICKING POINT. I LIKE MINIMUMS. I DON'T LIKE AVERAGES. WHEN WE SAY ON ONE DAY THAT WE WANT THINGS TO TRY TO MATCH UP OR STEP DOWN TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, THEN ME PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEN THAT MEANS THE MINIMUM IS 30,000 SQUARE FEET. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE LOTS GO TO AT LEAST 30,000 SQUARE FEET. BECAUSE THAT MEANS LOSING A LOT SOMEWHERE, THEN YOU LOSE A LOT SOMEWHERE, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, 25, 26, 1 AND 10. >> WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT? 25,26,1,9,10 ALBIN MINIMUM 30,000 SQUARE FEET. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT WITH 25 AND 26. I THINK THAT JUST FROM WHAT CURTIS SAID AND THE WAY IT LAYS OUT, THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT. I WORRY THAT NINE IT WOULD START MAKING IT A SUPER ODD SHAPED LOT, ESPECIALLY WITH TRYING TO PUT A HOME ON IT. THAT I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY'S REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND WANTS TO MAKE 1030. I'M FINE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ONE. >> I THINK ONE YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT FROM TWO AND A LITTLE BIT FROM NINE, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A JIGSAW PUZZLE. I'M FINE WITH THAT IDEA OF THE 30,000 ALONG THERE AND PREDECESSOR FIGURED OUT. >> AGAIN, WE SHOULDN'T RESTRICT OURSELVES TO THINKING ABOUT ONE ADJACENT LOT IN MODIFYING THAT. LOOKING AT ONE IS AN EXAMPLE. THAT LINE COULD SLIDE UP A LITTLE BIT NORTH AND THE ONE FOR TWO CAN SLIDE UP A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANGLE. THE WEST SIDE OF TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE COULD SLIDE UP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE UP FOR THAT. SAME THING WITH LOT 10, WHILE MOVING THE LINE ON THE WEST SIDE OF 10 OVER A LITTLE BIT, WOULD MAKE 10 A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND SHRINK 9, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN SHRINK 7, AND SHRINK 8 A LITTLE BIT SO, AGAIN, THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO IT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. I THINK WE CAN JUST SAY MINIMUM 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS FOR 25, 26, 1, 9 AND 10, AND THEY HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. NO LESS THAN 20'S FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING GOING BELOW 20 LIKE LOT 2 OR WHATEVER. >> WE CAN DO IT. I'M ALWAYS HESITANT TO GO AHEAD AND FINALLY PROVE, WHICH I WANT TO DO TONIGHT, BUT I'M HESITANT WHEN I KNOW THE WORK CURTIS DOES IS EXCELLENT, [03:50:01] BUT YOU'RE THEN POTENTIALLY GETTING SOMETHING FUNKY LOOKING TO HIT THAT NUMBER. THEN WE GO, HOW DID WE END UP WITH LOT 2 CREEPING WAY BACK INTO LOT 8, JUST TO GET, THAT'S ALL. >> I'M OKAY WITH IT. >> THAT'S WHATEVER I WANT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. >> MARK COME BACK AGAIN. I THINK WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT WITH THE MOTION AND I DON'T NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN. THE TABLE IT AND MAKE THEM COME BACK AGAIN. >> NO, I AGREE. I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT. I'M JUST SAYING JUST UNDERSTAND THAT'S OUR EXPOSURE, THOUGH BY NOT SEEING THE FINAL ON THAT. >> TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMSON. BUT THEY ARE ALSO CURTIS AND COMPANY WANTS THESE LOTS TO SELL, TOO, SO I'LL PROBABLY BE THOUGHTFUL ON HOW THEY DEVELOPED IT. >> I COMPLETELY AGREE AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THE WORK CURTIS DOES, BUT I'M JUST ALWAYS SKITTISH TO EVER LEAVE A LOOSE END THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN. >> THAT'S FAIR. >> I'M JUST LET YOU KNOW. >> THAT'S FAIR. >> BUT I DO THINK IT'S A REASONABLE RISK WITH THIS PARTICULAR DESIGNER BECAUSE HE'LL BE BACK FOR OTHER PROJECTS. >> PRESSURE IS ON, CURTIS. >> I HEARD CURTIS SAY, HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. >> GOOD ENOUGH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RETENTION POND OR DETENTION POND. COUNCIL MEMBER TAGGERT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT RAIN COMING IN. I KNOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES IT. THEY FILL THEIR POND, SO IT LOOKS NICE ALL THE TIME. THEY KEEP IT FULL. MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE INCORPORATE INTO THE MOTION, THAT THAT POND NOT BE COMPLETELY FULL? I THINK SOMEWHERE IN SOME REGULATIONS, THERE'S MENTION IT'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE A CERTAIN FILLED TO A CERTAIN POINT WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING AND I THINK MR. TAGGERT MIGHT HAVE THAT AMOUNT. THAT WAY, IF THERE IS A RAIN, AT LEAST IT CAN HANDLE THAT SUDDEN DUMP IN THERE. IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE SUMMER STORMS THAT THEY'VE BEEN FILLING THE DETENTION OR RETENTION POND, THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR SOME WATER SO CAN WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE MOTION? >> I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS EASIER ON THE MOTION FOR YOU, FRANCIS, BECAUSE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME READING THIS. THE NEWER ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE THAT CAME IN PLACE ON 2023, WHICH CLARIFIES 605, STUFF, SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT BMPS AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE RETENTION POND AS DESIGNED. IT'LL BE UNDERNEATH THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION BY THE CITY. >> THAT'S FROM TWO YEARS AGO AND THERE'S LIKE, MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN OTHER PONDS OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THAT FALL UNDER THAT. >> NOT THAT I READ ALL THAT BEFORE I CAME IN. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THIS? MAYOR PROTEAN WILLIAMSON, LET'S TAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE TO DO THEM SEPARATELY ON 6B AND 6C. >> BEFORE WE START ON THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF FOR SOME REASON, HOW WE'RE APPROVING THIS, IT IS SF 20, IF THIS DEVELOPER DECIDES TO SELL THIS, WILL THIS PLAN, THE ZONING AND THE LAND PLAN BE A UNIT, IF IT WERE HAPPENED TO BE SOLD? >> YES. >> I'LL LET THE CITY ATTORNEY JUMP IN JUST TO CORRECT ANYTHING THAT I MISSTATE, BUT THIS ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN WILL RUN TOGETHER. EVEN IF THIS DEVELOPER OR THIS APPLICANT SELLS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND A NEW OWNER OR NEW DEVELOPER WANTS TO CHANGE THINGS LIKE CHANGE THE LOT SIZES OR SHRINK THE 100 FOOT SETBACK WE HAVE FROM 114, THAT CANNOT BE DONE UNLESS IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. THE ZONING CHANGE AND THE CONCEPT PLAN GO TOGETHER AND STAY TOGETHER UNLESS CHANGED BY US, EVEN IF THIS LAND CHANGES HANDS. I'LL LEAVE IT. CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU WEIGH IN ON THAT? >> YOU STATED IT ABSOLUTELY CORRECTLY, MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> YOU GOT 10:40 AT NIGHT. GOT IT RIGHT. PRETTY GOOD. CORRECT. MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, ALL YOURS ON 6B AND THEN 6C. >> MAYOR COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269-F, CP 25-0003, SECOND READING, AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACKS 1A01B, JAMES J WEST SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1620, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED 1835 SHADY OAKS DRIVE, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 13TH, 2025, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WITH A CHANGE FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL WITH AN OPTIONAL MULTI TENANT OFFICE OVERLAY TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON 6B. [03:55:03] THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 6B IS APPROVED. NOW, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 6C. >> AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 6C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-839, ZA25-0057, SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR 1835 SHADY OAKS, ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 1A01B, JAMES J WEST SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1620, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1835 SHADY OAK DRIVE. SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 13TH, 2025, AND THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 3, DATED SEPTEMBER 12, 2025. NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR AN APPROXIMATE 21 ACRE DEVELOPMENT WITH 27 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS, CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURE TO SF-20A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AS PRESENTED, NOTING THAT WE'RE APPROVING FIRST THE REQUESTED SIDE YARD SETBACK REDUCTIONS ADJACENT TO A STREET FOR CORNER LOTS WITH A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 15 FEET ALONG THE SIDE STREET ON CORNER LOTS, EXCEPT FOR LOT 3, WHICH SHALL HAVE A 25 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK. NEXT, THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS ON THE CUL DE SAC LOT SHALL BE THE REQUIRED 35 FEET MINIMUM, BUT MAY BE GREATER TO ACHIEVE A 100 FOOT LOT WIDTH MEASURED ALONG THE BUILDING LINE AS SHOWN. THE STREETS INSIDE REAR LOT LINES SHALL GENERALLY BE CONFIGURED AS SHOWN IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, ALLOWING FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY TO SAVE SPECIFIC TREES, BUT SHALL MEET THE MINIMUM DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS. ALSO, NOTING THAT THE ACCESS TO AND FROM STATE HIGHWAY 114 SHALL BE GATED FOR THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF RESIDENTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES. A PRIVATE STREET LOT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR SUCH USE AND THIS LOT AND THE PAVING WALLS AND GATES ASSOCIATED WITH IT SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. ALSO NOTING THAT THE CUL-DE-SACS SHALL BE THE STANDARD 100 FOOT DIAMETER PAVING FROM BACK OF CURB TO BACK OF CURB AND A 110 FOOT DIAMETER STREET RIGHT OF WAY, WHERE THE MINIMUM IS TYPICALLY 120 FEET WITH A PERIMETER FIVE FOOT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT. ALSO NOTING APPLICANTS AGREEMENT TO ENSURE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET FOR LOTS 25, 26, 1, 9, AND 10. WHILE MAINTAINING A MINIMUM LOT SIZE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET. NOTING THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO WORK WITH AND AT THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND LANDSCAPE COORDINATOR, TO ADD LANDSCAPE IN THE BUFFER YARD ALONG THE SHADY OAKS PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY TO INSTALL A COMPREHENSIVE AND, AGAIN, APPROVED LANDSCAPE BUFFER APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR PLANNING AND LANDSCAPE COORDINATOR. NOTING THAT SAID LANDSCAPE MUST BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY BY THE PRESIDING HOA. >> GOOD MOTION. DIRECTOR KILO, DO WE GET EVERYTHING? >> YES, SIR. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6C. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 6C IS APPROVED. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEMS 8A AND 9A, WERE MOVED FROM OUR REGULAR AGENDA TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVED. OUR LAST ITEM FOR TONIGHT IS ITEM 9B, [9.B. ZA25-0058, Preliminary Plat for property described as Tract 5B02C and 5B02D1, Samuel Freeman Survey, Abstract No. 525, City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas and located at 410 and 414 Shady Lane. Current Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #4. ] CASE NUMBER ZA25-0058, A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 5B02C AND 5B02D1 AT SAMUEL FREEMAN'S SURVEY, ABSTRACT 525, AND LOCATED AT 410 AND 414 SHADY LANE. DIRECTOR KILO. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR TWO TRACKS, ADDRESS AS 410, 414, SHADY LANE, PROPOSING TWO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 2.45 ACRES. THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, CURRENT ZONING IS SF-1A, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT. IT PROPOSES A FLAG TYPE PANHANDLE LOT FOR THE WESTERN LOT AND A MORE CONVENTIONAL LOT ALONG THE PRIMARY FRONT EDGE OF SHADY LANE. THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 483, AS IT'S BEEN AMENDED, UNDER SECTION 8.01.K, PROHIBITS PANHANDLE LOTS, ALSO KNOWN AS FLAG LOTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AS REFLECTED HERE ON THIS WESTERN LOT BOUNDARY. PANHANDLE LOTS ARE PROHIBITED UNLESS, [04:00:05] BUT DOES PROVIDE THE APPROVING AUTHORITY, ABILITY TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT IF IT FINDS THAT ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE SATISFIED AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBSECTION 2 SHOWN DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM ARE ALSO MET. THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDE TOPOGRAPHICAL ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION OR OTHER SEVERE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS THAT PREVENT CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION, AND THE PANHANDLE LOT APPEARS TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO SUBDIVIDE THE LANDS. ALSO, IF THE PANHANDLE LOT CONFIGURATION IS TO BE TEMPORARY AND WOULD DISAPPEAR AND ULTIMATE ACCESS BE PROVIDED BY MORE CONVENTIONAL MEANS, FOR THE PROPOSED LOTS WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT UPON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE CONDITIONS BELOW THAT ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO BE MET IS THE AREA IN WIDTH THAT THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOTS MUST COMPLY WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S THE PANHANDLE PORTION OF THE LOT THAT IS NOT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM LOT AREA. THIS PROPOSAL, AS THEY'VE PRESENTED IT TO US, APPEARS TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT. THE LENGTH AND WIDTH OF THE PANHANDLE SECTION OF THE LOT MUST PROVIDE FOR ADEQUATE OR EXCEED THE MINIMUM EMERGENCY ACCESS AND FIRE PROTECTION STANDARDS. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT AS IT'S CONFIGURED, WOULD PROHIBIT THAT. THEN THE LOCATION OF THE PANHANDLE COMPLIES WITH THE CITY'S DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE WITH SHADY LANE BEING A LOCAL STREET, DRIVEWAY SEPARATION REQUIRED BETWEEN ANY DRIVEWAYS IS A MINIMUM OF 20 FOOT BETWEEN CENTER LINES. THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED BASIS FOR THE REQUEST BASED ON THE INFORMATION ON THIS SLIDE, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT AND THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE APPLICANT OR TO THE COUNCIL TO WALK THROUGH THEIR REASONING BEHIND THESE. THIS IS DRAINAGE PLAN, SOME VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY FROM SHADY LANE STREET FRONTAGE. JUST LOOKING IN A NORTHWESTERLY DIRECTION. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED RESPONSES FROM ANYONE IN THE 300 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL 5-0 BASED ON THEIR PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY AND REPORT PRESENTED TO THEM. THIS ITEM, THE APPLICANT FORMALLY REQUESTED AS PERMITTED UNDER CHAPTER 12, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, A 30-DAY EXTENSION FOR CONSIDERATION IN ORDER TO BETTER PREPARE FOR PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL GRANTED THAT. THE REQUEST WAS TO BRING THAT ITEM TO THIS OCTOBER 21ST MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL. WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR KILO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS ON ITEM 9B? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN, SIR. >> LEAVE. >> SIR. >> YES. >> I THINK WE'VE GOT YOUR PRESENTATION LOADED HERE, AND IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS ASHIM GODRYL, AND THE ADDRESS IS 1610 CORPORATE COURT IRVING. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, AND EVERYBODY FOR STAYING HERE THIS LATE. I'M GOING TO BEGIN MY PRESENTATION. DENNIS COVER A LOT OF IT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ADD A FEW THINGS TO IT. I'M GOING TO MAKE IT REALLY QUICK I PROMISE. THIS IS THE LOT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND THIS IS THE ROTATED IMAGES OF THE ONE THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER. PLEASE NOTICE THAT THE CITY LANE IS AT THE BOTTOM HERE AND THE DRIVEWAY TO THE LOT ON THE BACK IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS IS ONLY A TENTATIVE PLAN, AND WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT THIS IS A PRIME PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A COMFORTABLE LOT SIZE, WHICH IS MORE THAN ONE ACRE ON EACH, AND THE OWNER WANTS TO BUILD TWO HIGH END LUXURY HOUSES IN EACH OF THESE LOTS WHICH IS ABOUT 5,800 SQUARE FEET EACH. WE TENTATIVELY EXPECT THE FRONT FACADE TO BE [04:05:02] APPROXIMATELY 140-150 FEET AS SHOWN ON THIS SKETCH THAT YOU SEE HERE. WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADD VALUE TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND LAST FOR THE NEXT 50-100 YEARS. THIS IS JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF HOUSES IN THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE THAT HAVE SIMILAR FACADE. I'M JUST DOING IT HERE TO GIVE BASIS OF COMPARISON. THE FIRST PHOTO HAS A FACADE OF 155 FEET. THE SECOND HAS 120. THE THIRD ONE IS 125, THE FOURTH ONE IS 145 FEET. THE DESIGN OF WHATEVER WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS JUST GOING TO GIVE US A SCALE OF THE FRONT FACADE WIDTH. ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO THE ONE THAT WE PROPOSED IS JUST CUTTING THAT 2.45 ACRE LOT IN THE MIDDLE. THAT WOULD CREATE THE LOT WITH DIMENSION ABOUT 115 FEET AND 450 FEET LONG, REALLY LONGATED ONE. ALLOCATING APPROPRIATE SIDE SETBACKS, WHICH IS 25-20 FEET MINIMUM. THE MAXIMUM FRONT FACADE WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT 75 FEET FOR EACH OF THE BUILDINGS. THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED, AND THAT WOULD BE 50% OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I JUST SHOWED EARLIER. THEN HE HAS ALREADY WENT THROUGH THESE ORDINANCES, BUT I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS THERE, AND IT GIVES THE COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THIS REQUIREMENT IF ONE OR MORE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT 1C IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY MEET. IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT UPON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. ALSO, 1-A, WE PARTIALLY MEET THAT BECAUSE IF THE FLAG LOT IS PROPOSED, IT WOULD HAVE LESS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, MEANING WE THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE TREE PRESERVED IN THE PROPERTY. ALSO, THE ELONGATED LOT IS A PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT, WHICH IS GOING TO JUST HAMPER THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THE VALUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE. REGARDING THE ITEMS ON BULLET 0.2, WE BELIEVE WE MEET ALL A, B AND C OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS OVER THERE. AGAIN, THERE MAY BE IN THE PLANNING ZONING COUNCIL MEETING AS WELL, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING SAYING SOME PRECEDENT. HOWEVER, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE BECAUSE THE REASON IS THIS FLAG LOT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE'RE ASKING OR PROPOSING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED BY THE CITY ORDINANCE AND WHEN WE MEET THE PROVIDED CRITERIA. WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD SET ANY NEGATIVE PRECEDENT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. ITEM 9B DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 9B. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON 9B? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 9B. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM 9B BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION ON THAT ONE? MY PRO TEM WILLIAMSON, YOU'RE UP. A MOTION ON 9B. >> YES MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE DENY ITEM 9B Z25-0058 PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS 5B02CC AND 5B02D1, SAMUEL FREEMAN SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 525, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, LOCATED AT 410 AND 414 SHADY LANE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY 9B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> A VOTE TO VOTE YES FOR DENIAL OF THE REQUEST AND IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. YES TO DENY. CAST YOUR VOTES. >> MAYOR, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE A VOTE, WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. >> LET'S DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE ON 9B. >> YES, MAYOR COUNSEL MOVE THAT WE RECONSIDER ITEM 9B. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER 9B. THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER 9B CARRIES 6-0. WE'RE GOING TO RECONSIDER THAT AND HAVE A NEW MOTION ON 9B. >> YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I MOVE THAT WE DENY ITEM 9B Z25-0058 PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACT 5B02CC AND 5B02D1, SAMUEL FREEMAN SURVEY, [04:10:04] ABSTRACT NUMBER 525, CITY OF SOUTH LAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 410 AND 414 SHADY LANE, NOTING THAT WE ARE DENYING THIS APPLICATION AS IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 483 AS AMENDED, SECTION 8.01.K THAT PROHIBITS PANHANDLE LOTS, ALSO KNOWN AS FLAG LOTS. >> WE HAVE THE MOTION. >> HANG ON. DO WE NEED TO NOTE DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST ON THE SIDEWALK? NOTING WE ARE DENYING THE VARIANCE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT AGE OF THE LOTS, AS REQUIRED BY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 483, AS AMENDED SECTION 5.06, REQUIRING A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY 9B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND? >> CAST YOUR VOTES, AND A YES VOTE IS TO DENY 9B. THAT MOTION TO DENY ITEM 9B CARRY 6-0. ITEM 9B IS DENIED. THAT'S OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM, MEANING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.