Nov 18, 2025 City Council

[1. Call to order.]

[00:00:03]

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 18TH, 2025. MY NAME IS SHAWN MCCASKILL AND AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, I CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR WORK SESSION AND THE FIRST ITEM, AS ALWAYS IN THE WORK SESSION, IS TO INVITE PASTOR CLAYTON REED FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO IS OUR OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN, TO LEAD US IN PRAYER. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE PLEDGE TO TEXAS, AND WE'LL BE JOINED BY THE GIRL SCOUTS WHO ARE GOING TO COME UP ON THE DAIS AFTER THE PRAYER TO HELP US WITH THE PLEDGES.

BUT FIRST, WE'LL START WITH PASTOR REED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING.

WE PRAY TONIGHT FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEM WITH HELP, WITH WISDOM.

LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THEM AND THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE, AND THE TIME THAT THEY SET ASIDE OUT OF THEIR PRIVATE LIVES TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

WE PRAY BLESSING ON THEM OVER THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM PEACE AND HELP AND GRACE AND BLESS THEIR FAMILIES.

FOR WE ALSO TONIGHT GIVE THANKS FOR BOB MUNDELEIN AND JUST YEARS AND DECADES OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.

THANK YOU FOR HIS WORK, HIS COMMITMENT TO OUR CITY, HIS LOVE FOR OUR CITY.

WE PRAY BLESSING OVER HIM AND HIS FAMILY. WE PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE HIM PEACE AND STRENGTH AND WE GIVE THANKS.

LORD, WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR OUR KIDS THAT PARTICIPATE IN ATHLETICS.

LORD, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEKEND SEVERAL OF THOSE TEAMS WILL BE TRAVELING. WE PRAY FOR PROTECTION AND BLESSING AND MERCY FOR THEM AS THEY GO AWAY.

AND WE PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM STRENGTH. LORD, THIS IS A THANKSGIVING SEASON, AND WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T STOP AS A COMMUNITY AND JUST SAY THANKS.

YOU'VE BEEN SO GOOD TO US, LORD. WE WAKE UP IN THIS TOWN.

WE HAVE MORE THAN WE EVER NEEDED AND YOU HAVE BEEN SO KIND TO US.

SO TONIGHT WE JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS OF LIVING HERE, THE BLESSINGS OF BEING AMERICANS AND LORD, JUST THE BLESSINGS THAT YOUR GOODNESS AND KINDNESS BRINGS INTO OUR STORIES EACH AND EVERY DAY.

LORD, WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THE BIGGEST BLESSING EVER AND THAT YOUR SON, JESUS CHRIST, AND WE GIVE THANKS FOR HIM AND HIS LOVE FOR US.

AND WE ASK THESE THINGS TONIGHT IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. AND WE'LL HAVE THE GIRL SCOUTS COME ON UP TO THE DAIS TO HELP US WITH THE PLEDGES.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. MY HONOR, I WILL TRY TO SERVE GOD IN MY COUNTRY, TO HELP PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES AND TO LIVE BY THE GIRL SCOUT LAW.

LET'S HAVE YOU ALL JUST SAY YOUR NAMES IN THE MICROPHONE AND WANTS TO GO FIRST.

CLAIRE. NEXT. JORDAN. LAUREN. CAROLINE.

RYLAN. CORA. BRIAN. AVERY.

EMMIE. TAYLOR. ANOTHER ROUND OF.

WE SHOULD DO THAT EVERY MEETING.

NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZE BOB MUNDELEIN FOR HIS 28 YEARS OF SERVICE VOLUNTEERING FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND SO MANY DIFFERENT CAPACITIES.

[3. Honors & Recognition: Recognize Robert "Bob" Mundlin's service on various Southlake City boards ]

[00:05:05]

I'LL SAY A FEW WORDS AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN, AND THEN WE HAVE WE'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE, AND WE HAVE A PLAQUE FOR YOU. SO TONIGHT WE'RE RECOGNIZING BOB MUNDELEIN FOR MANY YEARS, 28 YEARS OF SERVICE TO SOUTHLAKE. BOB FIRST JOINED OUR CITY GOVERNMENT BACK IN DECEMBER OF 1997, SERVING ON THE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT.

SPENT ABOUT 15 YEARS ON THAT BOARD SERVING MULTIPLE TERMS FROM 2008 TO 2010.

HE ALSO SERVED IN THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL ENFORCEMENT.

THEN SINCE 2015, BOB HAS SERVED AS A DIRECTOR ON THE COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND HAD A BIG HAND IN THE BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS OF THE MARK AND CHAMPIONS CLUB AND THAT PART OF OUR BICENTENNIAL PARK.

ALTOGETHER, BOB HAS DEDICATED 28 YEARS OF SERVICE TO SUPPORTING SOUTHLAKE SAFETY, DEVELOPMENT AND OVERALL WELL-BEING AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND WE'RE HONORED TO PRESENT THIS PLAQUE TO YOU THIS EVENING.

THIS TIME, I'D LIKE YOU TO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, IT'S ALL YOURS. AND THEN WE'LL COME DOWN AND PRESENT YOU WITH THE PLAQUE AND TAKE A PICTURE. BUT IT'S ALL YOURS, BOB. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TWO MINUTES, OR PERHAPS THREE, HOWEVER LONG YOU WANT.

IT'S ALL YOURS. 41 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE MOVED HERE, THIS WAS FEDERAL FARM.

IT'S WHERE WE HAD OUR FIRST KITE FESTIVAL. IT WAS A WORKING FARM.

YOU HAD TO WATCH WHERE YOU STEPPED. OUR TAX BASE WAS A DAIRY QUEEN AND A BAIT STAND. AND THE DAY CAME THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE PAYROLL.

AND THE CITY BORROWED $50,000 FROM THE ONLY BANK IN TOWN TO PAY OUR EMPLOYEES.

CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE TODAY. YOU KNOW THIS STORY? CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE TODAY. WE HAVE AS HIGH A FINANCIAL RATING AS ANY CITY IN TEXAS.

AND THAT IS MUCH TO THE CREDIT OF SHARON JACKSON.

AS I'VE WORKED WITH SHARON, I'VE ACCUSED HER OF BEING AS CONSERVATIVE AS ATTILA THE HUN.

SHE PADS HER BUDGETS, BUT WERE ALWAYS IN THE BLACK.

AND SHARON'S GREAT. SO HAVING SERVED UNDER MULTIPLE MAYORS AND MULTIPLE COUNCILS, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'VE PLACED IN ME TO GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY.

AND WHILE YOU CAST THE VISION IN YOUR PREDECESSOR'S CASE DIVISION.

IT IS SENIOR CITY MANAGEMENT ALISON YOU. SHARON JAMES I SAID SHARON, STACEY JAMES THAT HAVE EXECUTED AND YOU'VE EXECUTED IT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.

AND FOR THOSE REASONS, BARBARA AND I ARE PROUD TO CALL SOUTHLAKE HOME.

THANK YOU. BOB. LET'S GIVE BOB A STANDING OVATION.

ALL RIGHT. PICTURE TIME AND A PLAQUE.

[4. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation honoring the Veterans of Foreign Wars]

[00:10:35]

AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME JOSEPH CAMPBELL TO COME ON UP.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I'M GREAT. COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

IT'S ALREADY ON AND YOU CAN SPEAK AND BRING UP.

BRING UP THE TEAM. EVERYONE'S WELCOME.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HAVING US.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INTRODUCE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE VFW.

WE HAVE KEN EVERSON. NICE TO MEET YOU. ROBBIE CLEMMER, WHO'S OUR ASSISTANT CHIEF OF STAFF, AND JOHN VANHOOK, WHO'S OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, AND THEN TARA LANGDON, WHO IS THE SHE DOES PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

YOU ARE THE VICE PRESIDENT OR. NO, YOU ARE THE TREASURER FOR THE AUXILIARY AUXILIARY AND PAST DISTRICT PRESIDENT.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR ACCEPTING US AND RECOGNIZING US.

BEEN HERE 50 YEARS. WELL, ACTUALLY, IN GRAPEVINE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO EXTEND OUR FOOTPRINT OUT TO THE COLLIERVILLE AND SOUTHLAKE AREA.

SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK? GO AHEAD.

DON'T FORGET. WE'RE ALL SHY. SO, ANYWAY, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

WELCOME. IT'S GREAT SEEING YOU AT THAT EVENT.

ABOUT, WHAT, A WEEK OR SO AGO. YEAH. AND SO THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO, YOUR SERVICE IN THE PAST AND CONTINUING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE VFW.

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION THAT I'D LIKE TO READ AND THAT WE'LL GIVE TO YOU GUYS TO TAKE WITH YOU.

AND THIS IS FROM THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL. WHEREAS THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS OF THE UNITED STATES HAS PROUDLY SERVED OUR NATION'S VETERANS SINCE ITS FOUNDING IN 1899, ADVOCATING FOR THE RIGHTS AND RECOGNITION OF THOSE WHO HAVE BRAVELY DEFENDED OUR FREEDOMS. AND WHEREAS THEY ARE COMPRISED OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE HONORABLY SERVED IN OVERSEAS CONFLICTS, DEMONSTRATING COURAGE, SACRIFICE AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO THE VALUES OF LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY.

AND WHEREAS, THEY PROVIDE VITAL SUPPORT TO VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICE, LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, AND ASSISTANCE WITH BENEFITS AND HEALTH CARE.

AND WHEREAS, THE MEMBERS OF OUR LOCAL VFW POST CONTINUE TO BE PILLARS OF STRENGTH IN OUR COMMUNITY, OFFERING FELLOWSHIP, LEADERSHIP, AND A LIVING EXAMPLE OF PATRIOTISM AND PUBLIC SERVICE.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE RECOGNIZES AND DEEPLY APPRECIATES THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE VFW AND ITS MEMBERS, WHOSE LEGACY OF SERVICE ENRICHES OUR CITY AND INSPIRES FUTURE GENERATIONS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, MAYOR SHAWN MCCASKILL, ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OUR HEARTFELT GRATITUDE AND HONOR TO THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS AND ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO JOIN US IN RECOGNIZING YOUR ENDURING SERVICE AND SACRIFICE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND CONGRATULATIONS, SHAWN.

IF WE COULD GET A PICTURE WITH YOU ALL IN THE PROCLAMATION. YEAH, RIGHT.

BACK.

THIS WAY. TO THE LEFT.

[00:15:34]

[5. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ]

THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOR A APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM FOUR B ZA 25 0065 VARIANCE TO SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 483, AS AMENDED. SECTION 5.06 REQUIRING A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE RESIDENTIAL SIDEWALK ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE FOR LOT 22 SOUTH FREEMAN.

NUMBER 525 ADDITION AND LOCATED AT 2530 GREEN GREEN LANE.

ITEM FOUR C APPROVED THE STANDARD AGREEMENT BETWEEN OWNER AND CONTRACTOR WITH NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS OF AMERICA, INC. FOR THE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT, SERVICES AND INSTALLATION OF ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEMS FOR THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING TOWER PROJECT, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $133,600. ITEM 4D APPROVE AN ENCROACHMENT IN JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A SCREENING WALL ACROSS THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, WATER EASEMENT, AND DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT LOCATED AT 240 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE.

ITEM FOUR. FOR E APPROVE AN ENCROACHMENT AND JOINT USE AGREEMENT FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A SCREENING WALL AND IRON FENCE ACROSS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED AT 2008 WHEELER DRIVE AND ITEM FOUR F APPROVED ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ENCORE ELECTRIC AND THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE FOR THE ENCROACHMENT OF A PROPOSED PUBLIC WATER LINE, STORM DRAIN PIPE, AND ROADWAY WITHIN AN EXISTING 60 FOOT ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION EASEMENT FOR THE LINN-MAR DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 2665 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD. THAT'S THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR NEED ANY PRESENTATIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE THAT UP AND VOTE ON THOSE DURING THE REGULAR SESSION.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER.

[1. Call to order.]

GO AHEAD. AND FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, ITEM EIGHT A RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 047.

CASTING VOTES FOR TARRANT APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND ON THIS ITEM.

CAST ALL 13 VOTES FOR MR. MIKE, ALFRED AND ITEM AB EIGHT B RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 048.

CASTING VOTES FOR THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND WE HAVE ONE VOTE TO CAST.

AND I RECOMMEND MR.. MIKE. JENNIFER, IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? MOVING THOSE TWO ITEMS FROM REGULAR TO CONSENT AND NOMINATING THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS.

ALL RIGHT. ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE'LL VOTE ON THAT DURING THE REGULAR SESSION.

I'LL AGAIN CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER.

AND THE FIRST ITEM IN THE REGULAR SESSION IS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[2. A. Executive Session]

SECTION 551.072 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING REAL PROPERTY MATTERS AND SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.

AND I'LL CHECK WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON HOW LONG WE'LL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ONE HOUR. SO WE'LL BE BACK JUST BEFORE 7:00. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

[2.B. Reconvene: Action necessary on items discussed in Executive Session. ]

NEXT UP IS THE MAYOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU TO OUR CITY STAFF FOR A GREAT VETERANS DAY PROGRAM LAST WEEK.

[3.A. Mayor’s Report ]

I KNOW THE VETERANS WHO ATTENDED WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF JUST THE FIRST CLASS, VERY, YOU KNOW, PERFECT TONE AND SUBSTANCE IN OUR IN OUR VETERANS DAY PROGRAM, AS IT ALWAYS IS.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. AND WE HAD NICE WEATHER AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE PUT INTO IT. IT WAS A GREAT IT WAS A GREAT EVENT FOR FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE ALSO SPEAKING OF EVENTS, WE ALSO HAVE HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP ON SATURDAY STARTING AT 430.

BUT THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT IS NEXT, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE COVERING HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS. BUT WE'LL SEE YOU ALL ON SATURDAY.

[3.B. City Manager’s Report]

AND LAUREN KIMBERLEY IS HERE FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM OFFICE.

[00:20:03]

SO SHE'S HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING WITH OUR HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, CHRISTMAS TIME AND SOUTHLAKE EVENT THIS WEEKEND.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, CHRISTMAS TIME IN SOUTHLAKE. AS YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED AROUND TOWN SQUARE, WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

WE HAVE ALL THE BEAUTIFUL FESTIVE DECOR OUT THERE.

WE HAVE OUR NICE TOWN HALL BANNER, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT TO GET EVERYTHING PREPPED.

SO NOW WE'RE PREPPING FOR OUR LARGEST EVENT FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

OUR HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY.

SO THE EVENT FESTIVITIES WILL BEGIN THIS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND, FROM 430 TO 8:30 P.M.

IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE. THE EVENT FOOTPRINT WILL INCLUDE OUR BEAUTIFUL CHRISTMAS TREE OUT FRONT AND FAMILY PARK, A STAGE IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL ACTIVITIES BACK IN CORNISH PARK AND EVEN MORE IN MCPHERSON PARK.

THE OFFICIAL TREE LIGHTING WILL BE AT 6 P.M. FEATURING A SHORT FIREWORKS SHOW.

WE ALSO WILL HAVE OUR WONDERFUL SNOW HILLS, TRAIN RIDES, AND OUR CRAFT CORNER RETURNING WITH OUR COOKIE DECORATING AND A BUNCH OF OTHER FUN STUFF PLANNED FOR FOR ANOTHER ACTIVITY. WE ALSO HAVE SANTA CLAUS, OF COURSE, DOING PHOTOS.

WE HAVE A GREAT VARIETY OF FOOD VENDORS JOINING US WITH HOT CHOCOLATE, FUNNEL CAKES, BARBECUE AND MORE.

OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS AND BUSINESSES ALSO PLAY A HUGE ROLE IN THIS EVENT BY BRINGING FUN GAMES, CRAFTS, AND GIVEAWAYS SPONSORED BY THEM. SO YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT I MENTIONED MCPHERSON PARK IN OUR EVENT FOOTPRINT.

WE ARE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT A NEW HOLIDAY ADDITION WE HAVE THIS YEAR THAT WILL LAST THE WHOLE SEASON, AND THAT'S OUR HOLIDAY OF LIGHTS AT SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE.

IT'S SOUTHLAKE. S OWN WALKABLE LIGHT SHOW FEATURING A BEAUTIFUL LIT PATHWAY WITH PLENTY OF CUTE PHOTO OPS.

THE HOLIDAY OF LIGHTS WILL SHINE BRIGHT STARTING THIS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND UNTIL SUNDAY, JANUARY 4TH. IT WILL BE OPEN EVERY DAY BETWEEN THOSE DATES FROM 5 P.M.

TO 10 P.M. IN MCPHERSON PARK. SINCE THIS IS A BRAND NEW ADDITION WE OF COURSE WANT TO HELP PROMOTE IT BY HAVING DIFFERENT FOOD VENDORS, MAYBE SOME SPONSORED BOOTHS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO HELP, YOU KNOW, BRING PEOPLE IN AND SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING OVER AT MCPHERSON PARK THIS YEAR. SO WE WILL HAVE A VARIETY OF FUN, A FUN FOOD VENDORS EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY THROUGHOUT THE SEASON.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE SOME WONDERFUL THINGS PLANNED FOR THIS SATURDAY AND FOR THE REST OF THE HOME FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON, FROM OUR TREE LIGHTING TO OUR NEW HOLIDAY OF LIGHTS.

WE'RE EXCITED AND HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE FOR CHRISTMAS TIME IN SOUTHLAKE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THE WEATHER LOOKS GOOD. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 82 DEGREES, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT GOING TO BE 32 DEGREES. SO WE'RE JUST IN THE MIDDLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE PERFECT. SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE THE HARD WORK. I KNOW WE GET TO EXPERIENCE THE FUN PART OF IT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOES INTO IT IN THE DAYS, WEEKS AND MONTHS LEADING UP TO IT AND IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT EVENT. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, CHRISTMAS TIME AND SOUTHLAKE ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SEE EVERYONE ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON AT 430.

AND THE LIGHTS WILL TURN ON AT 6:00 SHARP. YES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ANY DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, COUNCIL, BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL RIGHT. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TALLEY, WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND WE'RE ALSO ADDING ITEMS EIGHT A AND EIGHT B REGARDING APPRAISAL DISTRICT NOMINATIONS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR A THROUGH FOUR F, NOTING WE ARE ADDING ITEM EIGHT, A RESOLUTION CASTING VOTES FOR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND WE ARE CASTING ALL 13 VOTES FOR MR. MIKE ALFRED AND ITEM EIGHT B THE RESOLUTION CASTING VOTES FOR THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND WE ARE CASTING OUR ONE VOTE FOR MR. MIKE KENNETH.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ALONG WITH ADDING EIGHT A AND EIGHT B TO CONSENT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES.

THE SUSPENSE.

[00:25:13]

NEXT WOULD BE PUBLIC FORUM, BUT IT IS NOT 7:00.

SO WE WILL COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC FORUM WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

AND SO WE WILL SKIP AHEAD TO THE OTHER ITEM OR THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

[9A. Consider and select remaining design alternatives for the Town Hall Plaza Park project. ]

I KNOW DIRECTOR MILLER IS GOING TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT WE'RE NOT APPROVING BUILDING OR DOING ANYTHING OR PAYING FOR ANYTHING.

WE'RE JUST AT THE DESIGN PROCESS PHASE FOR A COUPLE OF MATTERS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS SOME DIRECTION ON WHETHER WE'RE GOING LEFT OR RIGHT ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGN PHASE, AND THEN WE'LL SEE SORT OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT AND SORT OF THE MENU FOR US TO CHOOSE FROM IN THE NEW YEAR. BUT DIRECTOR MILLER, IT'S ALL YOURS. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

AND YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AS WE SPOKE LAST TIME, AT 30% DESIGN, THERE ARE SOME DECISION POINTS WE NEED FROM COUNCIL IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE WAYS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. AND SO I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO IT WITH DECISION POINT ONE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE NATURAL GRASS OR ARTIFICIAL TURF WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND SO WHEN LOOKING AT THIS, STAFF HAVE PREPARED, AS YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR BOTH NATURAL GRASS AND TURF.

ON THIS SLIDE, AND THIS INFORMATION IS IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAVE FIELDED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS RELATED TO BOTH OPTIONS.

SO FOR NATURAL GRASS, WHICH YOU SEE REPRESENTS STAFF'S CURRENT ADOPTED MAINTENANCE PRACTICE.

AND THIS WAS SOMETHING STAFF BEGAN DOING THIS PAST YEAR.

AND THIS IS AN AGGRESSIVE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE AIMED AT KEEPING GRASS AT A HIGH QUALITY THAT REPRESENTS THE OTHER ELEMENTS WITHIN THE PROJECT.

AND FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF, YOU CAN SEE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE LEVEL OF TURF PRODUCT THAT WOULD BE USED WITHIN THE PROJECT. THE CYCLE IS FOR 15 YEARS, AND THAT'S RELATED TO THE LIFESPAN OF THE TURF AS WELL.

AND SO GOING THROUGH ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE USED A GRASS CALLED TIFF TURF AND THE SUN AND ZOYSIA PALISADES AND THE SHADE WHICH IS PERFORMED PRETTY WELL THIS YEAR.

YOU CAN SEE THE MAINTENANCE OUTLINED. THERE ARE NO HEAT IMPACTS WITH NATURAL GRASS.

AND THE ONLY USE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO WHEN THE SOD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, WHICH IS TYPICALLY ABOUT 2 OR 3 WEEKS OFF OF THE GRASS.

THEN FOR TURF, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S SPECKED HERE IS A COMMERCIAL GRADE TURF WITH, YOU KNOW, COOLING TECHNOLOGY, ANTIMICROBIAL, POROUS, IRRIGATED UV INHIBITORS TO PROTECT AGAINST SUN DAMAGE.

REALLY THE TOP END. AND OF COURSE THE COST WOULD BE GROOMING, PATCHING, IRRIGATION COSTS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HEAT FACTOR, WHICH EVEN WITH THE COOLING PROPERTIES IS STILL ABOUT 20 TO 30 DEGREES HIGHER.

IT'S BETTER THAN YOUR TYPICAL ATHLETIC TURF FIELD THAT CAN BE 160 TO 180 DEGREES.

BUT IT'S YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT IMPACT WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

AND SO GOING INTO THE COST IMPLICATIONS FOR DECISION POINT ONE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE INITIAL COSTS FOR TURF OR HIRE.

THE MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR GRASS OVER TIME ARE HIGHER.

AND THEN YOU SEE YOUR AND AGAIN THAT'S REALLY THE AGGRESSIVE MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR GRASS.

IF WE WERE TO REPLACE IT EVERY YEAR, WHICH WE OFTEN DO DEPENDING ON THE IMPACT OF EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE REVIEW THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND IF THINGS DON'T NEED TO BE REPLACED, OF COURSE WE WOULD KEEP THEM AS THEY ARE.

SO AT THIS POINT ON THIS DECISION POINT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR ANY FEEDBACK AND DECISIONS.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, TOWN HALL PLAZA OUT FRONT OF THIS BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY NATURAL GRASS AND LOOKING AT THE OPTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.

YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LOOK AT IT THAT IN MY MIND, EVEN THOUGH PARKS, YOU KNOW, PARKS IS A BIG DEPARTMENT, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PARK IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING AND OUR SPORTS FIELDS, LIKE BICENTENNIAL AND BOB JONES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TURF, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT WE'VE DONE AT BOB JONES AND BICENTENNIAL FOR THE SPORTS FIELDS, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND IT WORKS. BUT THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT PARK.

EXCUSE ME IN MY MIND. SO, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT I WAS PROBABLY LEANING TOWARDS ARTIFICIAL TURF BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE, JUST THE THE WORK THAT GOES INTO MAINTAINING IT.

AND ALSO NOW WE SEE THE COST IS MORE FOR GRASS.

BUT I JUST I THINK I'VE, I'VE REALLY COME BACK TO WHERE I JUST LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS OUT THERE.

I THINK THAT KIND OF OLD FASHIONED SMALL TOWN, THAT SAME FEEL THAT WE HAD WHEN THIS WAS BUILT MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO.

I'M NOT READY TO TO MOVE ON FROM THAT. SO I THINK FOR ME, AT LEAST ON THIS, I'M GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THE NATURAL GRASS FOR THIS PARK.

[00:30:04]

BUT THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PARKS THAN THAN THIS PARK.

SO THAT'S MY $0.02 ON NATURAL GRASS VERSUS ARTIFICIAL TURF.

DIRECTOR MILLER, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE WARRANTY IS ON THE ARTIFICIAL TURF? I MEAN, I KNOW WE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS BACK WHEN WE WERE APPROVING IT FOR THE FIELDS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT COVER? WHAT DOES IT NOT COVER? RIGHT. FOR THE PRODUCT I DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.

IT IS THE 15 YEAR, BUT IT CAN RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 8 TO 15 YEARS DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE USING.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, ANY THERE ARE RULES TO IT.

RIGHT. SO IF SOMEONE TAKES A YOU KNOW A RIDES OVER IT AND DESTROYS IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT YOU KNOW, NATURAL WEAR AND TEAR, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THE WARRANTY UNNATURAL FADING THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE FACTORED IN THAT HIGH KIND OF THAT HIGH LEVEL MAINTENANCE COST INTO THE TURF.

IT'S ABOUT TRIPLE WHAT THE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS, BE ABLE TO PATCH THINGS BASED ON THAT ENVIRONMENT.

IF THAT WERE IF THAT WERE THE OPTION. SO SO ON THE TURF.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MISSING FROM HERE, I THINK, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON IT, WOULD BE THE AMORTIZATION OF THE LONG TERM REPLACEMENT OF THIS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THE COST OF $577,000 AT A 3% INFLATION RATE ALONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A $900,000 COST OVER 15 YEARS, AND IF IT'S AT 5%, WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC, THAT'S 1.2 MILLION.

SO THAT ENDS UP PUTTING THE COST OF THIS AT 2.2 MILLION, UPWARDS OF THAT, MAYBE POTENTIALLY EVEN HIGHER.

SO THE SECOND THING IS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT ON TURF, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO A BASEBALL FIELD, I SEE MY SON AT A BASEBALL TOURNAMENT. I SEE THESE INCREDIBLE FIELDS.

THEY LOOK SO WONDERFUL AND THEY LOOK SO NICE FROM A DISTANCE.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT'S MISSING FROM THAT FIELD IS ME.

I'M NOT ALLOWED ON THAT FIELD. AND MY WIFE'S NOT ALLOWED ON THAT FIELD WITH HEELS.

AND THE KIDS AREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE CHEWING GUM OR SUNFLOWER SEEDS AND A WHOLE BUNCH, OR KETCHUP AND MUSTARD AND CHEESE FROM THEIR FROM THEIR SAUSAGES ON OKTOBERFEST.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF I THINK I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE PUTTING IN THE I GUESS THE CUSHION ON THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

SO BUT I JUST FEEL THAT WE WOULD BE WEARING THESE OUT A LOT FASTER THAN 15 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, THE STUFF THAT I SEE ONLINE ON THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT IS UP TO 15 YEARS, BUT HEAVY USE IS SAYING 10 TO 12 YEARS, WHICH THEN BRINGS THAT THAT COST THAT, YOU KNOW, QUICKLY.

WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY ADDING A BILL PER YEAR TO ME, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT ADDITIONAL THAT WE GOT TO SAVE TO REPLACE THIS IN TEN EVEN AT 15 YEARS.

SO. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON NATURAL GRASS VERSUS ARTIFICIAL TURF.

GO AHEAD. DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE FIELDS WE HAVE NOW ABOUT DAMAGE OR THINGS THAT WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED THAT ARE HAPPENING TO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS RIGHT NOW? NOT AT THIS POINT.

OTHER THAN THE WARRANTY WORK WE'RE ALREADY WORKING THROUGH WITH SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ON THE FIELDS, BUT FROM A FROM THE PRODUCT ITSELF, WE'VE HAD GOOD PARTICIPATION FROM THE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS FOLLOWING THE RULES, NOT WEARING METAL SPIKES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO THAT'S CERTAINLY HELPED. NO SUNFLOWER SEEDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY UNANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, WEAR AND TEAR ISSUES.

AND OF COURSE, WE'RE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF IN, BUT SO FAR IT'S HELD UP VERY WELL.

I AM WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS. I DON'T I THINK ULTIMATELY IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD.

I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE EVEN THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, NOT OURS RIGHT NOW, BUT LIKE AT THE BALLPARK IN ARLINGTON, YOU CAN TELL WHERE MOST OF THE ACTION HAPPENS.

I AND TO CHUCK'S POINT ABOUT HIGH HEELS, GUM, CIGARETTES, WE CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND HEAVEN KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS AT SOME OF OUR EVENTS.

SO I THINK I LIKE THE LOOK OF GRASS. AND I ALSO THINK OVERALL IT'S GOING TO LOOK BETTER, LONGER.

YEAH I AGREE. I'VE GONE, I THINK, FULL CIRCLE ON THIS.

INITIALLY I WAS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS I GUESS AT LEAST LAST YEAR, IF NOT THE YEAR BEFORE.

I THOUGHT, NO WAY WOULD I EVER THINK OF TURF.

I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, MAYOR, THIS IS A REALLY SPECIAL PARK.

IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT A PARK WHERE WE'RE PLAYING SPORTS.

IT'S A PARK WHERE PEOPLE COME TO ENJOY THEMSELVES.

AND I ONCE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, I, I SOMETIMES HAVE UTILIZED THE STARBUCKS HERE AND JUST SAT AND HAD MY TEA AND JUST KIND OF WATCHED THE USE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING A LOT OF STROLLERS WITH YOUNG KIDS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE BRING THEIR DOGS OUT A LOT. AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU PICK UP THE DOGS MESS, IT'S STILL THERE. AND IT'S UNLIKE NATURAL GRASS WITH RAIN AND SPRINKLERS.

[00:35:01]

NOT THAT THAT'S A HUGE DEAL. BUT THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, LET'S LET'S THINK ABOUT TURF.

AND REALLY STARTED THINKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE AND A WEAR AND TEAR PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT, WHAT YOUR TEAM HAS TO DO TO TAKE CARE OF IT. MAYBE TURF SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT I'VE REALLY COME BACK TO WHERE I FIRST BEGAN AND I JUST THE LOOK OF THE NATURAL GRASS. AND THIS PARK IS SO SPECIAL.

I MEAN, IT'S IN THE CENTER OF OUR GEM HERE, YOU KNOW, IN TOWN SQUARE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL.

SO, YEAH, I'M DEFINITELY FOR OPTION ONE. THANKS FOR DOING ALL THIS WORK.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT TO MANAGE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES IN THIS TURF STUFF, SO I'M SURE IT WAS A HARD, HARD THING TO NAVIGATE.

SO THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS TO US. YOU KNOW, NORMALLY I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER AND SAVE US MONEY.

RIGHT. BUT I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR CROWN JEWEL, AND, AND I'M HIGHLY IN FAVOR OF, OF ORIGINAL GRASS. AND I THINK I KIND OF THINK ABOUT THIS TURF THING THAT'S GOING ON.

AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT IT'S IT'S IT'S A USEFULNESS AS IT RELATES TO ATHLETIC FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE RAINOUTS AND ALL THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT ALL THIS TURF THAT'S GOING ON EVERYWHERE.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE 70S ARCHITECTURE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, OH MY GOD, THAT WAS DONE IN LATE 2025 KIND OF THING.

AGAIN, NOT FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, BUT FOR THINGS LIKE THIS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK NATURAL AND POSTCARD ISH.

AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT I THINK SOUTHLAKE REQUIRES REQUIRES MORE MORE THINGS, MORE SERVICES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT IT FROM A HOTEL OPTION, WHETHER WE'RE A FULL SERVICE OR A LIMITED SERVICE.

I MEAN, SOUTHLAKE THE RITZ, RIGHT? WE GOT TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT COSTS MONEY, BUT I'M. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE GRASS.

EITHER OF THE TWO RANDES. NO, IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

SO THIS WILL BE ONE MOTION THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING RIGHT NOW, BUT AT THE END, WE'LL DO ONE MOTION WITH THESE TWO TOPICS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I WILL MOVE FORWARD. SO DECISION POINT TWO IS RESTROOMS AND AMENITY CENTERS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO THAT. WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS WITH COUNCIL.

SOME OF THE QUESTIONS CENTERED AROUND THE ABILITY TO BETTER VISUALIZE WHAT THE RESTROOMS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO AS WE'VE REACHED 30%, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE DESIGNER TO CREATE SOME VISUALS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE COST IMPLICATIONS OF THE OPTIONS.

SEE IF THIS WORKS. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS VISUAL LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE STEPS OF TOWN HALL.

SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE WAS TO REALLY GIVE A VISUAL OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE MAIN YOU KNOW, STRETCH OF THE PARK. YOU CAN SEE IN THE PERIPHERY, THE RESTROOMS ON BOTH SIDES.

AND THEN IF YOU GO OVER HERE TO STARBUCKS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE.

IF YOU GO TO FOUNTAIN PLACE LOOKING NORTH AND SEE THE PERSPECTIVE THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF TOMMY BAHAMA, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEN THAT VISUAL, AS YOU'RE WALKING UP THE SIDEWALK TO THAT KIND OF BREEZEWAY COMPONENT, AND THEN LOOKING FROM THAT SIDE THERE.

SO I REALLY JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE SOME VISUALS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE SPACE, GIVE YOU AN IDEA KIND OF SEE IT. HAPPY TO GO TO ANY OF THESE VIEWS.

AND IF NOT, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS YOU KNOW, A TOUGH CALL.

I THINK I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON IT, BUT LONG STORY SHORT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE OF THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. AGAIN, THE LOOK OF THAT SPACE IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL IS JUST ICONIC.

I WANT TO ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND KEEPING IT AS CLOSE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL VISION, WHICH HAS WORKED AND CONTINUES TO WORK TO THIS DAY AFTER 25 YEARS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN THAT AREA OF TOWN SQUARE.

I'M NOT I AM INTERESTED THOUGH. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PLUMBING AND ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN UNDERGROUND, YOU KNOW, WITH KIDS IN COLLEGE. AND THEY SEEM TO BE MOVING AWAY FROM THE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES AND USING THEIR STANLEY CUPS OR YETI CUPS.

AND MAYBE WE COULD USE THE PLUMBING FOR SOME SORT OF WATERING STATION FOR PEOPLE TO REFILL WATER BOTTLES AND PETS COULD GET WATER.

[00:40:02]

SO MUCH OF HAVING THESE STRUCTURES IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PARK, BUT JUST WHATEVER THOSE WATERING STATIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WE'RE NOT INTERFERING WITH THE SIGHT LINES AND THE ESTHETIC LOOK OF WHAT THAT SPACE HAS LOOKED LIKE FOR 25 YEARS.

SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE THAT IS AN OPTION.

IT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER THAN BUILDING RESTROOMS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THE RESTROOMS. AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR SPORTS FIELDS, WHICH ARE PARKS, AND THIS PARK WHERE KIDS MIGHT BE THERE FOR A TWO HOUR BASEBALL GAME, OR THEIR PARENTS MIGHT BE THERE FOR A TWO HOUR BASEBALL GAME.

I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THAT HERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR BIG EVENTS, THERE'S EXTRA RESTROOMS ARE BROUGHT IN FOR THE EVENTS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE NEED THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.

SO I'M A NO ON THE ON THE RESTROOMS, BUT INTERESTED IN A WATERING STATION OPTION.

I WILL NOTE I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE HAVE INCORPORATED THAT INTO.

THE PLANS OF RESTROOMS ARE NOT CHOSEN TO HAVE THOSE WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE ACROSS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PARK AS WELL AS YOU'LL NOTE HERE ON THIS SLIDE, THE ONLY COSTS DEPENDING ON IF THESE ARE DESIGNED OR NOT, WOULD BE THAT ALTERNATIVE CONDITION SPACE TO HOUSE AV.

IT MECHANICAL COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD EITHER BE IN THE BASEMENT OF TOWN HALL OR SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE.

YOU KNOW, PURPOSEFUL, MAYBE TOWARDS THE GAZEBO ADJACENT TO THAT.

AND SO BUT ALL OF THAT WE WOULD INCORPORATE AS WELL AS THE PATHWAYS THAT YOU SAW COMING FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDES, TO PERHAPS CREATE AN ADDITIONAL ENTRY POINT INTO THE PARK.

BUT YEAH, GREAT POINTS. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS? YES, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. I IF YOU GO STAND IN FRONT OF BATH AND BODY WORKS AND LOOK, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY IN FRONT OF THAT THAT ONE RESTROOM ON THAT SIDE AND YOUR YOUR VIEW OF THE PARK IS ENTIRELY OBSTRUCTED, MINUS THE LITTLE CENTERPIECE. I DON'T I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT AT ALL.

AGAIN, AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS PARK IS THE GEM OF OUR TOWN.

AND JUST THE OPENNESS OF IT IS WONDERFUL. AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE IT WAS BUILT.

I DO LIKE THE WATERING STATION IDEA, BUT YEAH, I'M NOT I'M NOT ESPECIALLY.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER TIME AS WELL.

LIKE. LIKE FOR ME AND ART IN THE SQUARE, I WOULD ASK THAT THEY BE CLOSED BECAUSE.

THAT THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A RECIPE FOR A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN.

DURING A FESTIVAL OR JUST AND JUST EVERY DAY.

I MEAN, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN REALLY SPOKE A LOT TO THE MAINTENANCE COSTS, BUT.

AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO ANTICIPATE SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THESE. RIGHT. SO YOU ADD THAT ADDITIONAL COST WHICH 30,000? SOUNDS LOVELY, BUT I BET IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT. SO.

YEAH, I AGREE. I'M NOT FOR THE RESTROOMS, BUT I DO LIKE THE WATERING STATION IDEA.

DID WE? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. DIDN'T THERE USED TO BE RESTROOMS AT TOWN CENTER IN THAT AREA? WEREN'T THERE BEFORE? THERE WERE SOME IN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL OPEN.

THERE WERE SOME IN GAP. THEY USED TO BE BETWEEN THE REGULAR GAP AND THE BABY GAP.

THERE'S A LITTLE WALKWAY AND THERE WERE RESTROOMS THERE.

I HAVE NO IDEA IF THOSE ARE PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN LIKE BREEZEWAY, RIGHT IN WHERE THEY WERE LIKE YOU WALKED THROUGH TO GET TO THEM, OR YOU HAD TO GO IN A GAP. YOU HAD TO GO IN. YEAH.

OKAY. SO I MEAN, ON THESE, I'M A HARD NO ON THE BATHROOMS. AND HAVE BEEN I JUST THINK THERE'S SECURITY ISSUES RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

YOU HAVE SOMEBODY MOVE IN THERE. BLOCKING THE VIEW IS A HUGE THING AS WELL.

AND I JUST I JUST DON'T THINK THAT HAVING BATHROOMS IN THE PARK IS A GOOD, I GUESS, A GOOD EXPENSE OF THE TAXPAYERS DOLLAR WHEN THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO. WE HAVE BATHROOMS DOWN BELOW BELOW THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LIBRARY SECTION RIGHT NOW. SO YOU KNOW, AND REALLY ON THAT, TO PUT THAT TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON A COUPLE BATHROOMS THAT THEN ARE GOING TO BE LOCKED WHEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO USE THEM TO ME AS WELL, IS KIND OF JUST SEEMS KIND OF A WASTE. SO ANYWAY, NO.

THERE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT TOPIC? GO AHEAD.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. I'M A NO ON THEM.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER. APPRECIATE IT.

PROBABLY LEANING TOWARDS OPTION THREE ON THAT ONE.

NO FURTHER DESIGN AND JUST MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT THE RESTROOMS. I THINK SO. YEAH. I MEAN, I LIKE THE I LIKE THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE WATERING STATIONS STILL.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS STEPPING UP, HAVING THE HAVING IT THERE.

I MEAN, IT'D BE A LOT CHEAPER LONG TERM IF THERE WAS EVER SOME OTHER NEED FOR THE ACTUAL PLUMBING OVER THERE.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO SEE IT. LIKE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE SIGHT LINES.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM SEEING IT WHAT THEY HAVE AT COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

IT'S NOT A, A BLOCKING OF THE SIGHT LINE LIKE THE BATHROOMS ARE.

BUT I WANT TO SEE IT BEFORE IT'S AN IDEA. BUT WE NEED TO SEE THE RENDERINGS BEFORE WE APPROVE THAT.

JUST LIKE WITH EVERYTHING. IS THAT OPTION TWO THEN IS.

[00:45:06]

THAT WOULD JUST BE STEPPING UP FOR FUTURE USE AND GETTING THAT PART DONE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK, YOU KNOW, UNDER CONCRETE AT A FUTURE DATE. SO IT'D BE ABOUT A $50,000 ADDITION TO OPTION THREE.

WELL, YEAH. LET'S SEE. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT COST TO HAVE TWO WATERING STATIONS AT WHATEVER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE PARK.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THAT. WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S AN IDEA.

LET'S SEE WHAT IT MIGHT COST AND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. CAN THOSE NOT JUST BE PUT ON THE LIKE ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, JUST TAPPED INTO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE FROM A PLUMBING STANDPOINT? WATERING STATIONS, WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD A SPOT FOR.

THAT JUST DEPENDS ON. AND WHEN I SAID STUB UP, I MEANT ALL THE UTILITIES FOR FUTURE RESTROOM, NOT FOR WATERING STATIONS. THOSE WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. YEAH, MAYBE I CAN INTERJECT HERE.

WHAT I'M HEARING AND MAYBE SOME CLARITY. THERE'S NOT REALLY SUPPORT FOR A FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OF A RESTROOM.

CORRECT, CORRECT. NONE WHATSOEVER. SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO STUB UP ANYTHING RELATED TO THE RESTROOM OR AMENITY CENTERS.

BUT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THERE IS A DESIRE TO PROVIDE POTENTIAL WATER BOTTLE FILLING STATIONS, MAYBE DOG WATERING STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO WE'LL INCORPORATE THOSE IN. BUT MAYBE UNDER THIS NEW SCENARIO, THE BEST LOCATION IS NOT WHERE THE RESTROOMS ARE PLANNED FOR NOW.

SO IF WE'RE HEARING THAT THAT'S A DESIRE FOR A FEATURED AMENITY IN THE PARK, WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT.

YEAH, I THINK SOME OPTIONS ON WHERE IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO PUT THOSE WHETHER IT'S AT THE FAR END OR ONE AT ONE END, ONE AT THE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST AN IDEA AT THIS POINT.

SO WE'LL LET YOU ALL GIVE US THE OPTIONS AT A FUTURE DATE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER. APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS. ABSOLUTELY. SO REAL QUICK NEXT STEPS.

THE FEEDBACK TONIGHT WILL IMPACT THE REFLECTION OF THE FUNDING IN THE CIP COMING FORWARD IN JUST A FEW MONTHS.

AND THEN STAFF HAVE ALSO IDENTIFIED THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IS THE BEST METHOD FOR PROJECT DELIVERY.

SO THAT ALLOWS US TO KEEP COSTS LOW AND MINIMIZE RISK AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE COMPONENTS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT IT WITHIN THE CIP.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMSON MAKES A MOTION? RANDY, IT'S ALL YOURS. OKAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NINE A CONSIDERING AND SELECTING REMAINING DESIGN ALTERNATIVES FOR THE TOWN HALL PLAZA PARK PROJECT, NOTING AS IT RELATES TO DECISION POINT NUMBER ONE, THAT WE WILL BE APPROVING OPTION ONE, WHICH IS TO COMPLETE PLANNING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THE NATURAL GRASS OPTION.

AND AS IT RELATES TO DECISION POINT NUMBER TWO, THAT WE WOULD BE APPROVING OPTION THREE, WHICH IS NO FURTHER DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION.

HOWEVER, NOTING THAT WE ARE ASKING STAFF TO INVESTIGATE POTENTIAL PLACEMENT AND OR STUBBING FOR MINOR WATER USE, SUCH AS WATERING STATIONS. AS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON NINE.

AYE. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM NINE A IS APPROVED AS TO THOSE TWO DECISION POINTS.

THAT WAS A OUR FINAL POSTED AGENDA ITEM. BUT WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

OUR PUBLIC FORUM. THE PUBLIC FORUM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO BRING FORWARD ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC FORUM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. I THINK THAT'S IT.

MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.