Jan 08, 2026 Sign Board

OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, AND WE WILL GAVEL IN ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS´ FAVORITE LOCAL MEETINGS OF ALL TIME,

[1. Call to Order. ]

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ITEM NUMBER 8 ON OUR AGENDA WILL BE TABLED THIS EVENING, I BELIEVE.

SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT SHORTLY, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT, WHICH NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BE.

WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THAT ONE SO YOU CAN GO HOME.

ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS.

MADE ANY CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS, SO MAYBE WE'LL DO THE MINUTES FIRST.

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the November 20, 2025, Sign Board Meeting. ]

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER5 ON OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.

AND PASSES 5-0, WITH ONE PERSON ABSTAINING. AND MAYBE JUST SO WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT IT, I MIGHT ASK THAT WE DELIBERATE AND ENTERTAIN A

[8. Consider: MSP25-0002, Amendment to the Master Sign Plan for Granite Place Two located at 601 State Street.]

AND JUST DO WE NEED A TABLE THAT TO A DATE CERTAIN, OR? NO. OKAY.

NO, YOU DO NOT NEED TO TABLE DATE CERTAIN. WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD WHEN THEY'RE READY OKAY.

JUST A GENERIC TABLE. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEM 8 ON OUR AGENDA.

MSP25-0002. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. AND THE TABLING PASSES 6-0. NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS A SIGN FOR TOMMY'S EXPRESS CAR WASH.

[6. Consider: SV25-0013, Sign Variance for Tommy’s Express Car Wash, located at 3230 W. Southlake Boulevard. ]

THEY'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL 11 SIGNS, AND THEIR LOCATION IS 3230 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE LOCATION OF TOMMY´S CAR WASH. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THEY DID HAVE A PREVIOUS VARIANCE APPROVED THAT ALLOWED THEM SEVEN SIGNS. THEY HAVE ONE ATTACHED WALL SIGN ON THE WEST ELEVATION, ONE ON THE EAST ELEVATION.

THEY GOT APPROVAL FOR TWO ATTACHED DRIVE THRU SIGNS, TWO DIRECTIONAL LED SIGNS AFFILIATED WITH THE DRIVE THRU, AND A MONUMENT SIGN. THERE HAS ALSO BEEN A SIGN PERMIT ISSUED FOR A SANDWICH BOARD SIGN THAT HELPS WITH THE DRIVE THRU AREA.

AND THIS IS THEIR ADDITIONAL SIGNS THAT THEY ARE NOW REQUESTING.

THE BLUE HERE SHOWS WHAT WE'RE CALLING A FREESTANDING SNAP SIGNS.

THE PURPLE HERE ARE TWO DRIVE THRU SNAP SIGNS.

THE TAN IS A BUILDING KIND OF AN ID SIGN. IT SHOWS WHERE THEY HAVE A FREE MAT WASHER.

THE LIGHT GREEN IS A DIRECTIONAL SIGN. AND THIS PINKISH COLOR HERE IS A RED LIGHT BAND ON THE BUILDING.

AND THE DOTTED ORANGE IS FOR HOLIDAY LIGHTS. AND THOSE WOULD BE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT SIGN SITE PLAN SHOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

SO THE FIRST TYPE SIGN HERE THAT WE HAVE IN YELLOW, WE'RE CALLING THEM FREESTANDING SNAP SIGNS.

THIS JUST ISN'T AN ALLOWED SIGN TYPE. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE HERE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET, FIVE INCHES, 22.9FT² AND THEY'RE PROPOSING FIVE.

THESE ARE THE DRY ON THE DRIVE THRU HERE, THESE TWO SIGNS HERE.

WE DO ALLOW DRIVE THRU SIGNS. THEY'RE LIMITED TO FOUR SQUARE FEET.

AND BOTH OF THESE SIGNS ARE NINE SQUARE FEET.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE FREE MAT WASHER SIGN THAT WAS INDICATED ON THAT PLAN, THIS IS WHAT THAT SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. THE PROPOSED SIGN IS FOUR FEET TALL, 9.5FT² PER SIGN FACE. AND TYPICALLY WITH A DIRECTIONAL SIGN LIKE THIS, WE DO REQUIRE MASONRY AROUND IT, AND THEY'RE NOT SHOWING ANY MASONRY SURROUNDING THE SIGN.

IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGN. AND THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO ADD THE RED LIGHT BAND ONTO THE BUILDING.

AND THIS IS WHAT THE PERMANENT HOLIDAY LIGHTS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE JUST HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS HERE SHOWING WHAT THOSE SNAP SIGNS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, MORE INFORMATION ON THE SNAP SIGNS. AND THESE ARE THE DRIVE THRU SIGNS HERE.

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YOU CAN SEE IT WOULD BE HERE. AND THE FREE MAT WASHER SIGN.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THE RED LIGHT BAND ON THE BUILDING.

AND JUST SHOWING THE HOLIDAY LIGHTS. AND THEY PROVIDED THIS EXAMPLE OF THIS MCDONALD'S THAT HAS THE SIMILAR LIGHTING INSTALLED.

THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST ELEVATION ON TOP AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE BOTTOM.

WE HAVE THE EAST ELEVATION AND THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION.

SOUTHWEST ELEVATION AND THE WEST ELEVATION. AND JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

ANOTHER RENDERING. ADDITIONAL RENDERING. AND THIS IS THE NIGHT VIEW.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? YEAH. IF YOU PUT LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE ENTRY SIGNS, IF THOSE WERE PAINTED ON THE PAVEMENT, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A SIGN OR IS THAT A SEPARATE ITEM? IF WHAT WOULD. IF YOU WERE TO LIKE JUST PAINT ENTRY ON THE STREET RATHER THAN HAVING THOSE SIGNS AT THE END THAT SAYS ENTER THIS WAY. IS IT CONSIDERED A SIGN, IF IT'S PAINTED ONTO THE CONCRETE, ONTO THE DRIVE? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN SOMEBODY TRY TO DO THAT, BUT I MEAN, WE DO KIND OF HAVE EXEMPTIONS FOR CERTAIN DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, IF THEY'RE KIND OF FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY AND THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET RIGHT AWAY. SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO EXEMPT. I THINK CARNATION HAS JUST ENTRY PAINTED ON THE DRIVE.

YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW. LYEAH. WHERE IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR TRAFFIC FLOW AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAS NO COMMERCIAL MESSAGE AND IT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER THAT.

I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING LARGELY A LOT OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY OUR SIGN ORDINANCE DOESN'T TAKE VERY EASILY TO A CAR WASH, IS THAT FAIR? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THESE REQUESTS MAYBE IN PARTICULAR, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S JUDGMENT ARE EGREGIOUS.

IT'S JUST MORE THAT IT DOESN'T LINE UP WELL WITH OUR ORDINANCE.

AND I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IS WE JUST GO THROUGH EACH ONE REAL QUICK AND SEE WHERE THERE'S HEARTBURN OR NOT.

AND THEN WE CAN FORMULATE A MOTION. WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH OUR APPLICANT ONCE WE KIND OF COME THROUGH THAT.

IS THAT FAIR? ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE DO THAT REAL QUICK? OKAY. AND STAFF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HELPING US GO THROUGH KIND OF ONE BY ONE.

AND HOPEFULLY OUR VICE CHAIR CAN TAKE SOME NOTES AS USUAL.

ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE. AND I'LL JUST STATE I DON'T HAVE A TON OF ISSUES WITH ANY OF THIS, BUT MAYBE I'M THE. YEAH. WELL I DO. I JUST THINK I'VE SEEN THIS CAR WASH AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT, IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DRIVE THRU A CAR WASH, IT'S GOT.

YOU DRIVE IN ON ONE END, YOU DRIVE OUT ON THE OTHER, AND THERE'S VACUUMS ON THE OTHER END.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON IN THE WORLD TO HAVE EVERY PIECE OF THIS SECTION OF THIS WITH A SIGN ON IT.

OKAY, WELL, MAYBE, STATE SPECIFICALLY WHICH ONES YOU DON'T LIKE.

WE CAN SEE IF WE AGREE OR NOT AND MOVE ON. I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THESE ONES WE'VE GOT CIRCLED IN YELLOW RIGHT NOW UP HERE IN THE MAP.

I'M WITH DOCTOR SPRINGER. NO OFFENSE, BUT I THINK ALL OF THIS LOOKS LIKE CRAP.

IT LOOKS LIKE A CHRISTMAS TREE FARM THING YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH.

AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH EXXON, WHERE THEY TRIED TO PUT THAT GARBAGE ALL OVER EVERY PUMP.

SO I'M A ZERO AND NO GO ON EVERY SINGLE SIGN HERE.

SORRY. OKAY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP AHEAD. NO.

BUT I'M WITH DOCTOR SPRINGER THIS TIME. WE'RE GOING TO GET WHERE WE GET.

MIGHT AS WELL GET THERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. ARE THESE SNAP SIGNS GOING TO BE JUST BLANK WHITE LIKE THIS? NO, THEY WOULD BE. THEY'RE CALLED SNAP SIGNS BECAUSE THEY CAN KIND OF SNAP OUT WHAT'S INSIDE THEM AND CHANGE OUT WHAT IT IS.

FOR PROMOTIONAL SITUATIONS. YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE ONE? YEAH, OKAY. SO THERE'S SOME DISCOMFORT MAYBE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM ANY SIDE OF THE DAIS ON ANY OF THIS?

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OKAY. OKAY. I'M NOT AS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING.

I CAN SEE A NEED TO SAY THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN GET YOUR FREE MOUTHWASH, BUT SOME OF THESE SNAP SIGNS AND PROPAGANDA OF THE MORE WATER FOR KIDS.

THAT'S JUST UNNECESSARY TO ME, I GUESS. OKAY.

YEAH. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. ARE THESE OKAY? THESE SIGNS? AND I GUESS I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT, LIKE, WHERE CAN THESE SIGNS BE SEEN FROM THE STREET.

LIKE WHAT ARE THESE SIGNS HURTING? OTHER THAN GIVING PEOPLE INSTRUCTION WHEN THEY'RE IN THERE, WHICH I'LL ADMIT, THE FIRST TIME I PULLED UP THIS, I'M GOING TO HAVE NO CLUE WHAT TO DO. SO I KIND OF LIKE HAVING SOMETHING THAT TELLS ME WHAT TO DO. DO I USE A CREDIT CARD OR DEBIT? LIKE, WHAT, DO I PULL FORWARD TO THE LIGHT? DO I NOT? LIKE I JUST PERSONALLY DON'T FIND SIGNS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE FROM 170.

HORRENDOUSLY OFFENSIVE, ACTUALLY HELPFUL. JUST MY TWO CENTS.

YEAH. I THINK THESE ONES I COULD BE OKAY WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE FUNCTIONAL, LIKE THEY'RE PROVIDING INFORMATION OTHER THAN WHAT'S OUR SPECIAL OF THE DAY KIND OF THING.

LIKE, I MEAN, EMPTYING YOUR TRUCK BED IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO BEFORE YOU GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH, I SUPPOSE. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW TO DO THAT, SO THAT COULD BE OKAY WITH THESE IF THEY'RE FUNCTIONAL AND NECESSARY, I GUESS. BUT IF YOU'RE DRIVING A TRUCK AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE TO EMPTY THE BED, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO BE DAMAGED IN THERE, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE.

YEAH, NO OFFENSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR FRIENDS IN THE LAWYER COMMUNITY KIND OF REQUIRE THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE THEN THE OWNER WILL GET SUED BECAUSE, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THAT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF BEYOND THE.

I THINK YOU COULD HAVE ONE SNAP SIGN SO THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST LIST THE DIFFERENT OFFERINGS THEY HAVE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING. YOU DON'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL SNAP SIGNS FOR OTHER THINGS.

THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME, OTHER THAN JUST THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, IS I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE NEON RED STRIPE AROUND THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A SIGN. IT'S JUST MORE GLOWY, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T DO CHRISTMAS LIGHTS WHEN CHRISTMAS GETS HERE, BUT THEY DON'T NEED A NEON STRIPE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I'M NOT GOING TO DIE ON THAT HILL. I MEAN, GO BACK TO THE PHOTO THAT WE SHOWED AT THAT WAS AN ACTUAL PHOTO THAT WAS TAKEN AT DUSK.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE DISNEYLAND. OKAY, SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE LIGHTS.

OKAY, SO LIGHTS ARE GONE. WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW OTHER THAN IT'S TOMMY´S CAR WASH? SO, AM I HEARING THAT THE DRIVE THRU SNAP SIGNS, THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THAT? THOSE ARE OKAY? JUST THE TWO? SURE. OKAY. OKAY.

WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN? I MEAN, AGAIN, MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS HURTING, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OTHER WAY TO CONVEY IT, AND I DON'T SEE.

IT'S BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S IN THERE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT YOU'VE GOT AN ATTENDANT THAT'S THERE THAT'S TAKING MONEY OR DIRECTING YOU THAT WOULD SAY, HEY, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WASH YOUR MATS OVER HERE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST. I MEAN, THIS PARTICULAR ONE I THINK IS OKAY.

OKAY. THERE YOU GO. WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE, SORRY? DIRECTIONAL. DIRECTIONAL? THESE ARE THE ONES I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED A SIGN IF THEY WERE TO PAINT ENTRY ON THE DRIVE ON THE CONCRETE WITH AN ARROW? SO IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY JUST STICKING UP LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, IF THEY WERE TO BE ABLE TO, JUST LIKE THEY DO AT AN INTERSECTION.

YEAH, THEY'RE DRIVING VERY SLOW. RIGHT. I CAN ONLY SAY I'M FINE WITH IT, BUT NO ONE ELSE.

I DON'T IF I'M THE LONE RANGER, THAT'S FINE. I'M OKAY WITH THIS ONE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT. THE LIGHT BAND, I THINK THERE'S INDIGESTION THERE, SO I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO NOTE.

WAS THAT THE LAST ONE? THEN THERE'S THE PERMANENT HOLIDAY LIGHTS.

THE HOLIDAY, YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS INDIGESTION THERE AS WELL.

IS THAT THE LAST ONE? OKAY. MAYBE GO BACK AND ORDER JUST ONE BY ONE.

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OKAY. YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS, OR.

THIS IS, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, A NORMAL SIGN BOARD MEETING.

SO WE'VE, I THINK, TRIED TO TO ACCOMPLISH ALL WE CAN ON THE SIGNS.

THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION WE'D MAKE WOULD BE OUR INTERPRETATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

WHEN YOU GET TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU COULD ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THE RECEPTION WILL BE, BUT THERE ARE THERE IS KIND OF ANOTHER LEVEL TO NAVIGATE AND POTENTIALLY GET A DIFFERENT OUTCOME, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. SO.

SORRY. MY NAME IS MIKE ROSEBERRY. I'M AT 8505 CLAY HIBBINS ROAD IN KELLER.

SO DEPENDING ON TONIGHT, I STILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL? TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION, AS YOU HEARD, SOME OF THE SIGNS, THERE WERE SUPPORT, SOME THERE WAS OPPOSITION. WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A PETITION THAT SHOWED A RECOMMENDATION FOR SOME, DENIAL OF OTHERS, WOULD GO TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL WILL INTERPRET IT AND COME TO THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS.

SURE. WELL, SORRY I'M GETTING EVERYONE RILED UP HERE.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A FRANCHISE. SO I'M THE LOCAL FRANCHISEE ON THE GROUND.

TOMMY´S 280 LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE MAYBE ONE OF TWO IN THE COUNTRY THAT DON'T HAVE THESE SIGNS.

THE THREE ALONG THE EAST SIDE. YEAH, THOSE ARE PROMOTIONAL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THOSE WERE NOT APPROVED.

WE HAD TO PUT OUR PRICING MENU WITH THREE ON TAPE, BASICALLY STUCK TO THE BRICK WALL, JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW OUR PRICING.

THE CLOSEST ONE TO THE DOOR, THAT'S WHERE OUR PRICE MENU WOULD GO NORMALLY.

THE OTHER TWO WE DONATE. FOR EVERY WASH, WE DONATE MONEY TO A WATER MISSION.

IT'S A GOOD THING. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PROMOTIONS I DO, SO I GIVE BACK TO.

I DO A VETERAN FIRST RESPONDER MILITARY DISCOUNTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE PUT UP.

WE DO THINGS ABOUT JUST OUR APP AND UPDATED THINGS BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS UPDATING OUR EQUIPMENT.

SO IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL THINGS FOR OUR GUESTS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH.

THESE ARE NOT EYESORES. YOU CAN'T EVEN REALLY EVEN SEE THESE SIGNS FROM 1709.

THE INFORMATIONAL STUFF GOING ALONG THE INSIDE OF THE PAY LANES, I DON'T.

HOW DO I CHANGE HERE? OH. THE NEXT. OH, OKAY.

SO THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT ARE BASICALLY LETTING EVERYONE KNOW TO, YES, EMPTY YOUR TRUCK BEDS.

I UNDERSTAND MR. SPRINGER. IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS, BUT WHEN YOU SEE 500 CARS A DAY, SOMETIMES A THOUSAND CARS A DAY, YOU GET A LOT OF TRUCKS IN TEXAS. YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY TRUCKS WE STOPPED, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A DANGER TO NOT ONLY THE CARS BEHIND THEM, BUT OUR EMPLOYEES GOING THROUGH THE TUNNEL. OKAY? THINGS GO FLYING. WE GOT BLOWERS IN THERE. IT'S DANGEROUS.

AND WE HAVE TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, OKAY? THE MAT WASHER SIGN HERE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING. THERE'S A LIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT, SO IT AT LEAST LET EVERYONE KNOW AT NIGHTTIME, AS WELL AS THAT INNER SIGN, THE STRIPING ON THE GROUND AT NIGHT, YOU CAN'T SEE THE STRIPING.

SO AT NIGHT, IT WOULD BE NICE. AND RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH THIS SITE BEING OPEN FOR ONLY TWO MONTHS, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR ENTRANCE IS.

THIS IS CONNECTED TO THE WATER TOWERS. THEY PULL IN FROM 1709, HEADING WEST, AND THEY JUST GO STRAIGHT, AND THEN THEY DEAD END WHERE THE UTILITY GOES, AND THEN THEY TURN AROUND OR THEY'LL GO IN TO THE WRONG DIRECTION, AND WE HAVE TO RUN OUT THERE AND TELL THEM THAT THAT'S NOT AN ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEY GO THROUGH OUR VACUUM AREA.

SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT HAPPENS A LOT. I'M SKEPTICAL, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

WELL, NOTED FOR THE RECORD. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW FROM BEING THERE FROM WITH EXPERIENCE AT THIS SITE, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IT. SO THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING.

THAT'S FINE. IT'S GOING TO COST ME AN ARM AND A LEG ANYWAY.

AND THEN THE RED STRIP, THAT'S FINE. AND IT ORIGINALLY WAS ON THE PLANS BECAUSE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY AND ACTUALLY SEEING OUR BUSINESS COMING DOWN BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY OF WATER TOWERS. BUT AGAIN, THE NEW SIGNS ON THE BUILDING, THE SIGNS WE HAVE, I THINK THEY LOOK PRETTY GOOD.

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GOING BACK TO THESE ARCHES HERE, THE ARCHES, IT'S NOT LIKE A CRAPPY MATERIAL.

IT'S A NICE STAINLESS STEEL ARCH. THEY LOOK REALLY NICE.

THEY LOOK PROFESSIONAL. THEY MATCH THE METAL LOOK THAT WE HAVE ON THE WASH ITSELF.

AND THEN RIGHT NOW, THE CENTER PICTURE THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE NEUTRAL CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE, THAT LITTLE RED SIGN DOWN THERE, AND THEN THE DISCLOSURE ONE, WHICH BASICALLY IS TELLING PEOPLE WHAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE BUMPERS FALLING OFF COMING INTO OUR WASH.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON THERE THAT WILL, AGAIN, CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR CARS, OTHER CARS DAMAGE OUR WASH. THOSE SIGNS RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S TEMPORARILY APPROVED IS ON A BACKING OF JUST A SHEET OF METAL, AND THAT'S THERE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE SAME NICE STAINLESS STEEL ARCHES WHERE THESE TWO ARE NOW CURRENTLY. SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THE ENTRANCE HERE AS WELL, IS REPLACE THOSE THAT ARE THERE NOW WITH THE NICE STAINLESS STEEL ARCHES. SO CAN I JUST GET CLARIFICATION? IF YOU TAKE OUT THE RED LIGHT BAND AND THE PERMANENT HOLIDAY LIGHTS, YOU'RE OKAY TAKING THOSE TWO OUT? YEAH. OKAY, I'LL GO WITH YOU, BECAUSE I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING IT.

I'M GOOD ON EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. SO, AGREED, YOU'RE GOOD, I KNOW I'M GOOD.

OKAY, SO WE KIND OF HAVE THE MAKINGS OF A MOTION THERE, SO I GUESS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION? I THINK THE TEXT WAS VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. I APPRECIATE THE JUST WILLINGNESS TO HELP OUR BUSINESS.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A GOOD BUSINESS IN THE CITY.

SO FAR, WE'VE HAD REALLY GOOD RECEPTION FROM THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, THEY'RE REALLY HAPPY WE BUILT THERE.

AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEGATIVES, SO I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT IT.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD VALUE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOWING UP.

THEY CAN'T SEE THESE THINGS FROM 1709. SO WHEN THEY SHOW UP THEY WANT TO KNOW, WHAT DO I DO? WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS HERE? AND SO ANYWAYS THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

YEAH, YOU DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING IT AND HANDLING THE INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS FROM DOCTOR SPRINGER.

SO I'M WITH YOU. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A TOUCHLESS CAR WASH OPTION? YEAH, WE NEVER GOT INTO THAT. AND WE GOT INVOLVED WITH FRANCHISE, THE FRANCHISE JUST OFFERS BRUSHES.

BRUSHES WITH FRICTION ACTUALLY DO A GOOD JOB.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.

SO I GOT SIX OTHER LOCATIONS AND A LOT OF MEMBERS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE IT. IT DOES A FANTASTIC WASH.

COME ON THROUGH, TRY IT OUT. WELL, I HAVE TO GO TO KELLER NOW, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN TOWN.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S BEEN A BIG HOT TICKET, SO. WHAT DID YOU SAY? IT HAS BRUSHES OR IT'S BRUSHLESS? BRUSHLESS.

ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE BRUSHES. OKAY. SO THIS HAS BRUSHES.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? ABSOLUTELY.

I WAS READY ABOUT TEN MINUTES AGO. BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT.

I KNOW IT'S ALMOST 9:00, SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER DELIBERATIONS WILL ATTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA.

CASE NUMBER SV0013, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED JANUARY 2ND, 2025, AND NOTING THAT THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS FOR ALL THE REQUESTED SIGNS, WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE RED LIGHT BAND AND THE PERMANENT HOLIDAY LIGHTS, WHICH THE APPLICANT AGREES TO REMOVE. MOTION IS MADE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? CAN WE VOTE? PLEASE HURRY UP AND GET THIS FIVE ONE VOTE OUT OF THE WAY.

LOOK AT THAT. 5 TO 1. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

AND I THINK THE STAFF WILL HELP YOU CONVEY ALL THAT CONTEXT IN TERMS OF KIND OF WHAT WE WENT OVER.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKFULLY FOR EVERYONE HERE WHO'S GETTING A LITTLE PUNCH DRUNK.

ITEM 7, OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING, SIGN VARIANCE FOR WORLD CLASS GARAGES.

[7. Consider: SV25-0014, Sign Variance for WorldClass Garages, located at 900-950 Davis Boulevard.]

AND THIS IS AT 900-950 DAVIS BOULEVARD. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

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AND THEN THIS IS WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING IS CURRENTLY.

SO FOR PHASE ONE, THIS IS THE WINDSCREEN BANNERS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

WINDSCREENS ARE PERMITTED ON CONSTRUCTION FENCING, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTAIN ADVERTISING TEXT OR GRAPHICS, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE HERE TODAY REQUESTING THIS VARIANCE.

BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS PARTICULAR BANNER HERE ON THE PHASE ONE SECTION OF THE SITE, AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF THREE SIGNS. AND THEN PHASE TWO, THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT.

WELL, MORE THAN A COUPLE. THEY HAVE THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE ALONG THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING HERE.

THERE'S SIX TOTAL AND THESE, THEY'RE WANTING TO LEAVE UP UNTIL THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2027.

AGAIN, THESE ARE THE PHASE ONE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION WINDSCREEN BANNERS. AND THEN THIS WILL JUST BE UP UNTIL THE COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE AND THEN PHASE TWO.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARD DAVIS.

ANOTHER VIEW OF THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION FENCING.

ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING NORTH. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION FENCE SIGNS BEFORE.

THERE WERE SIGNS APPROVED FOR THE RESIDENCES AT SOUTHLAKE, THE PARK VIEW RESIDENCES, AND FOR GRANITE PLACE.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. JUST CONFIRMING, THEY DO COME DOWN? SO, OBVIOUSLY? YES. SO THERE'S A FINITE LIFE.

OKAY. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

WHO WANTS TO OPEN THE DELIBERATING OF THIS ONE? THEY'RE TEMPORARY, SO I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH.

AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD DOWN THERE. YEAH. AND THEY ARE USEFUL.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A USEFUL PSEUDO SIGN. I KNOW YOU WAITED A LONG TIME, BUT FOR YOU TO HEAR THAT FEEDBACK SHOULD BE SOLID GOLD.

YOU WAITED A LONG TIME. IF YOU WANT THE MICROPHONE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE IT. HOWEVER, LOOKS LIKE THINGS MAY BE HEADED YOUR WAY.

OKAY, GOOD. OKAY.

I THINK WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA.

SB25-0014, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED JANUARY 2ND, 2026.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE. AND MOTION PASSES 6-0. CONGRATULATIONS, GOOD LUCK AT YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WITH THAT, OUR MEETING IS MERCIFULLY OVER.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.