Mar 05, 2026 Sign Board

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. AND NOW I WILL GAVEL IN OUR CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SIGN BOARD MEETING.

[1. Call to Order.]

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WE'VE ALREADY HAD CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS. WE'VE ALREADY I DON'T I'M GOING TO ASSUME WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE.

SO WHAT WE'LL DO IF EVERYBODY CAN HOPEFULLY MAKE THEIR WAY OUT THAT WANTS TO LEAVE FOR THIS EXCITING PART OF THE MEETING WE'LL CONSIDER ITEM NUMBER 5 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 5TH,

[5. Consider: Approving the minutes from the February 5, 2026, Sign Board Meeting. ]

HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM? OKAY 2026. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY. PASSES 4-0.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6 IN OUR AGENDA, WHICH, IF STAFF IS COUNSELING US CORRECTLY WAS TABLED.

SO I THINK DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT OR IS THAT ALREADY YOU DON'T NEED TO PERFECT. THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING OR NOTIFICATION OTHER THAN POSTING ON THE AGENDA SO.

MR. CUNNINGHAM, YOU GET THE GET THE MOTION OFF FOR THAT ITEM.

SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT NOW. NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7 ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS A SIGN VARIANCE FOR THE DESIGNERY.

[7. Consider: SV26-0003, Sign Variance for The Designery, located at 525 S. Nolen Drive, Suite 200. ]

THIS IS LOCATION SHOWING THE SITE OFF OF NOLAN DRIVE HERE.

THEY ARE REQUESTING TWO SIGNS. SIGN A IS JUST AN ATTACHED BUSINESS SIGN AND SIGN B IS A BANNER.

AND THIS IS THE PERMANENT SIGN THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO INSTALL.

THEY'RE REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR LETTER HEIGHT. THE SIGN HAS A 20 INCH LETTERS.

THEY'RE ALLOWED 14IN. THE SIGN WIDTH IS 170IN.

IN THIS LOCATION, THEY'RE ALLOWED 146. THE SIGN AREA IS 54.8FT², AND THEY'RE ALLOWED 42FT².

AND THEN THE SIGN ALSO ENCROACHES INTO THE ADJACENT LEASE SPACE.

THE LEASED SPACE ENDS RIGHT ABOUT HERE AND GOES THIS WAY.

SO THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO CENTER IT OVER THIS, OVER THE DOORS HERE.

AND THIS IS THE BANNER THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. BANNERS ARE ALLOWED UP FOR 15 DAYS.

AND SO THEY'RE JUST REQUESTING TO KEEP THIS BANNER UP AND FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS FROM THE VARIANCE APPROVAL OR UNTIL THE SIGN IS INSTALLED, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. THIS IS JUST AN ENLARGEMENT OF THE REQUEST FOR THE PERMANENT SIGN.

THIS IS SHOWING MORE CLEARLY WHERE THE LEASE SPACE ENDS HERE.

AND THE TENANT THAT'S IN HERE DOES NOT USE THIS AS AN ENTRY POINT.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE BANNER. THIS ORIGINAL BANNER PERMIT WAS ISSUED.

IT'S BEEN ISSUED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T PUT THE BANNER UP. IT WILL GO UP MARCH 26TH AND IT WILL BE UP THROUGH APRIL 25TH.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THIS. THIS IS WHAT THEIR SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THEY STRICTLY MET THE CITY CODE.

WE HAVE SOME VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY HERE, AND THESE ARE SOME ADJACENT SIGNS.

THESE ARE OLDER SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR FOR MANY YEARS.

THIS ZONING DISTRICT DOES ALLOW THIS TYPE OF PANEL.

SIGN HERE. MORE PANEL SIGNS AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO COULD YOU GO TO THE PLAN, THE FLOOR PLAN THAT SHOWS THE OUTLINE OF THE THAT TENANT SPACE VERSUS.

YES SIR THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, HAS DIVIDED THE SPACE.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER TENANT IN THIS AREA HERE BUT.

TENANT HERE DOESN'T USE THIS AS AN ENTRY POINT.

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WHAT'S THE OVERALL SIGN OF THE SIGN AREA? YEAH.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE WHAT'S THE. WHAT TYPICALLY HAVE WE DONE ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNS? I MEAN, IF WE I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I MEAN, WE TYPICALLY KIND OF GRANTED THAT.

IF SO, HOW LONG? I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE GIVEN IT A LITTLE BIT OF LENIENCY ON THAT, BUT MAYBE NOT 60 DAYS, MAYBE IT'S 30 OR. YEAH. I BELIEVE THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS 30 DAYS.

YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE THAT YEAH.

AND BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO CITY COUNCIL THEY HAD BETTER IDEA OF TIMING ON CONSTRUCTION AND WEATHER PENDING.

THEY SAID THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO INSTALL IT 60 DAYS.

NOW THEY GOT 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON IT.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET THE COUNCIL. SO THAT'S THE POINT.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT THAT COULD BE 30 DAYS AND THAT THAT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

AND THEN. IN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THIS WHERE SOMEONE NEEDS, NEEDS A SIGN TO IDENTIFY THEIR PLACE AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION AND PUT IT IN PROCESS TO COME BEFORE SIGN BOARD AND COUNCIL FOR THAT ADDITIONAL TIME.

WE WITHHOLD ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTION ON IT UNTIL THEY IN GOOD FAITH, COMPLETE THAT PROCESS SO.

OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ON THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, BUT MAYBE DO YOU MIND FLIPPING BACK TO SOME OF THE COMPS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER LIKE MIC] I'LL KIND OF GO THERE. OKAY. SO AND THIS IS PER ORDINANCE? YEAH. AND THIS IN THIS DISTRICT THESE KINDS OF SIGNS ARE ALLOWED AND THEY'RE LIMITED TO 25FT² I WAS STRUGGLING WITH THE SIZE. BUT THEN IF YOU'RE TELLING ME LIKE I COULD EITHER HAVE THIS OR IF YOU FLIP FORWARD.

THIS. [LAUGHTER] I MEAN, I KNOW DOCTOR SPRINGER'S NOT HERE, BUT I MEAN, I KIND OF KNOW WHICH ONE I SO I MEAN, PART OF ME THOUGHT, OH, IT'S A LITTLE BIG. BUT THEN AGAIN, IF IT'S BASICALLY EFFECTIVELY TAKING THE SPACE OF TWO SIGNS AND BECOMING ONE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY. AND IT LOOKS KIND OF LOOKS PRETTY NICE. SO I REALLY DON'T FIND A PROBLEM TENANT. DID THEY SIGN OFF ON THIS TOO? THE ABILITY.

AND WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS YEAH, THIS THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR TENANT MAY BE USING IT AS AN EMERGENCY EXIT.

BUT WHAT IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE THEY VACATE AND THEN A NEW TENANT WANTS TO USE THE SPACE DIFFERENTLY? YEAH IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WE DO ASK FOR THE OWNER TO SIGN OFF ON IT.

THE OWNER AND.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE TENANT THEMSELVES SIGNED OFF ON IT, BUT IT'S THE OWNER'S CHOICE, SO TO SPEAK.

SO I WOULD MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY, THE OWNER TALKED TO THAT TENANT, THAT NEIGHBORING TENANT, AND THEY'VE APPROVED THAT. OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY. THE APPLICANT? YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH. NO. YEAH. NO, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR SHOT.

ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY. COME ON UP. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LATE NIGHT, SO. I'LL BE QUICK YOU'RE, WELL, YOU'RE BASICALLY HEARING, I THINK EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THIS, EXCEPT FOR THE 60 DAYS, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO CUT BACK TO 30 DAYS, WHICH EFFECTIVELY WILL STILL BE 60 DAYS.

SO I, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MANY MORE COMMENTS.

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ADDRESS, PLEASE. JAMES BOWEN PITTS, 64, HONEYSUCKLE HOLLOW IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.

THANK YOU THIS PUSHED INTO THE APRIL PERIOD. SO WE'RE A BIT LONGER THAN EXPECTED.

WE HAVE OUR GRAND OPENING ON APRIL 30TH. WE DON'T NEED NECESSARILY THE PERMANENT SIGN UP, BUT WITHOUT ANY SIGN, IT BECOMES A LITTLE CHALLENGING. YOU'LL HAVE YOU'LL HAVE A TEMPORARY SIGN UP.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL UNTIL SOMETIME IN APRIL, WHICH WILL GET YOU INTO MAY.

CORRECT. CORRECT. SO YOU'LL BE FINE. PERFECT.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY REASON WE WENT FOR THE 60 VERSUS THE 30.

OKAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH IT TO 30. SO I'M GIVING YOU THE NEWS RIGHT NOW THAT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO BE TOLD 30 SO.

OKAY, I THINK YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE FINE. OKAY PERFECT.

I CAN GIVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS IF YOU WANTED. THERE WAS ONE ON THE, ON THE LEASE SORT OF SPACE, SPECIFICALLY ON THE EXTERIOR AND ALSO BY THE OWNERSHIP.

IF YOU WANTED ME TO GIVE ANY FURTHER CLARITY ON THAT, I COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT IF IT WAS HELPFUL TO YOU. OKAY OKAY. OKAY. NO THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT. NO, NO MORE QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT EFFECTIVELY RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THAT ITEM, I GUESS, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATE, AND THEN JUST AMENDS THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE REQUEST FROM 60 DAYS TO 30 DAYS. IS THAT FAIR? 30 DAYS FROM FINAL APPROVAL THAT GOOD? IF I CAN GET THROUGH THAT MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPROVE WE I. [LAUGHTER] I SAID IT WAS GOING TO GET THROUGH IT.

NO, NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE SIGN VARIANCE SV26-0003, SIGN VARIANCE FOR THE DESIGNERY AS PROVIDED BY STAFF REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 27TH, 2026. PROVIDING FOR APPROVAL OF THE SIGN IS SUBMITTED AND LIMITING THE TEMPORARY SIGN TO A 30-DAY PERIOD OF TIME VERSUS 60, AND THAT 30 DAYS IS THE SHORTER OF 30 DAYS, OR FROM A FINAL APPROVAL, OR WHEN THE SIGN IS PERMANENT, SIGN IS READY TO BE PUT UP. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. THANK GOD. LET'S PLEASE VOTE.

AND PASSES 4-0. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK. NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WILL BE IN MID-APRIL, I GUESS DENNIS. PROBABLY APRIL 7TH, I'M GUESSING.

YEP. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. GOOD LUCK SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.

LAST ITEM FOR US TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING IS ITEM NUMBER 8, CONSIDERATION OF A VARIANCE TO GATEWAY PLAZA PHASE II CONDITIONAL SIGN PERMIT FOR LUPE

[8. Consider: SV26-0004, Variance to the Gateway Plaza Phase II Conditional Sign Permit for Lupe Tortilla, located at 2701 E. S.H. 114. ]

[LAUGHTER] OR AT LEAST THE GENESIS OF IT. WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE DETAILS. YES.

LUPE TORTILLA IS LOCATED IN GATEWAY PLAZA PHASE II.

AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THREE BUSINESS SIGNS, AND IT'S 2701 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114.

AND THIS IS THE FORMER BUCA DI BEPPO SITE. SO HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF NOLAN AND THE ACCESS ROAD TO STATE HIGHWAY 114.

AS I SAID, THEY'RE REQUESTING THREE SIGNS, ONE ON THE WEST ELEVATION AND NORTH ELEVATION AND SOUTH ELEVATION SIGN, AND ALL THE SIGNS ARE THE SAME. SO WITH THE GATEWAY PLAZA PHASE II CONDITIONAL SIGN PERMIT, THEY ARE ALLOWED ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION OR TWO MAXIMUM, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THREE SIGNS TOTAL.

THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THE LOGO HEIGHT.

THE. THIS CONDITIONAL SIGN PERMIT ALLOWS A MAXIMUM LETTER OR LOGO HEIGHT OF 30IN, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING ABOUT 62IN AND A QUARTER. SO IT'S 2FT 6IN IS WHAT'S ALLOWED, OR 5FT 2.25IN IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.

AND THAT'S FOR THE BIG PEPPER HERE. THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION OF SAME SAME SIGN, AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS THE SAME SIGN. HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE WEST ELEVATION, SHOWING KIND OF THE THE WHOLE PICTURE.

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AND I WILL NOTE THAT THEY DO SHOW SOME LED LIGHTING HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.

THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING THAT. THESE ARE THE EXISTING SITE PHOTOS.

THE NORTH ELEVATION, EAST, SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS.

AND THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE BUCA DI BEPPO SIGN.

THEIR SIGNS. THEY DID HAVE THREE SIGNS TOTAL.

AND THE LARGEST PART OF THE SIGN WAS THE B IN BUCA.

AND THAT WAS FIVE FEET, SEVEN INCHES. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME PICTURES OF SOME OTHER LUPE TORTILLA LOCATIONS.

AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME SITE PHOTOS OF GATEWAY PLAZA PHASE II, SOME SIGNS IN THE AREA.

AND YOU SAID THAT IF YOU GO BACK REAL QUICK, THE SIGNS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ON THERE WERE ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE AS THESE? IS THAT 5 FOOT 7? IS THAT? YEAH. SO THE B WAS THE THING THAT THEY, THAT WAS ENLARGED ON THERE, IT WAS A 5FT, 7IN. YEAH. SO THIS MIGHT EVEN BE LIKE EQUAL OR HAIR SMALLER I GUESS.

OKAY. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. JUST MORE SITE PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE, THE AREA AND MORE SITE PHOTOS.

BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SITE PHOTOS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS ONE? AND ANY THOUGHTS IN GENERAL.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT LOOKS NICE AND IT'S TO SCALE WITH THE REVISED ELEVATION IT'S ARTISTIC. I QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR THE THIRD SIGN FACING SOUTH.

YOU KNOW, SO IF I MIGHT BE TEMPTED TO LIMIT IT TO TWO SIGNS BUT IN TERMS OF THE BASIC SIGN, I THINK THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING THE VARIANCE ON THE SIZE OF THE LOGO I DON'T OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, UNLIKE US, THAT COME UP FROM THE SOUTH LIKE NO ONE.

AND BECAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M LIKE, WELL, OKAY.

I MEAN, AND I KNEW THEY HAD THREE SIGNS. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY HAD THREE SIGNS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT. AND AGAIN, WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND.

THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT. IS. IF THERE WAS, MAYBE.

I MEAN, I WAS PROBABLY FINE WITH IT, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO EVEN MOCKUP SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE SMALLER JUST TO BE READY FOR COUNCIL BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY LIKE TO SEE OPTIONS.

AND IF YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR BACK POCKET, IT CAN MAKE THINGS, YOU KNOW, GO QUICKER THAN IF YOU HAVE TO GO MOCK THEM UP.

BUT I THINK, I MEAN, I WAS PROBABLY OKAY WITH IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY THOUGHTS OR.

YEAH, I LIKE IT BECAUSE THE LETTERS AREN'T REALLY THAT BIG.

SO IT'S REALLY A LOT OF THE SPACE IS THE, THE PEPPER OR [LAUGHTER] WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT YES, IT TOOK ME ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO GET MY DIRECTIONS AND WHERE WHICH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

YEAH. BUT I THINK NOW THAT I'M ORIENTED I WOULD BE FINE WITH THEM.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO THANK YOU, STAFF. AND I GUESS YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.

YOU'RE THE LAST ONE IN THE GALLERY, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY ANYTHING, FEEL FREE.

THE ONLY I THINK SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY HERE IS PROBABLY OKAY WITH IT, BUT YOU JUST MIGHT WANT TO BE PREPARED IF COUNCIL ASKS ABOUT SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER.

JUST THAT YOU'RE READY FOR THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I'D SAY.

A RECOMMENDATION AS TO PROPORTION ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE AND DO YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE MICROPHONE? SO NO, THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY.

THAT WAY WE RECORD IT FOR THE RECORD AND IT GETS ALL NOTED.

OKAY. RAINEY HUFFAKER AND I WORK WITH MERIDIAN SIGNS OUT OF HOUSTON, TEXAS, AND I DO LUPE TORTILLAS ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO I GOT THE LUCKY STRAW TONIGHT TO BE HERE. [LAUGHTER] SO IN IN YOUR REQUEST, IF I WERE TO BRING AN OPTION, DO YOU HAVE A, LIKE, A REDUCED PROPORTION AMOUNT TO LOOK AT? THIS IS THEIR TYPICAL PACKAGE THAT WE DO IT'S REDUCING IT DOWN BY, LIKE. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A LOT 20%, 10%, 20%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

MAYBE SOME GUIDANCE FROM STAFF ON JUST A LITTLE SMALLER VERSION AND COUNCIL MAY BE FINE WITH IT AS IS.

IT'S MORE JUST TO SAVE YOU TIME SO THAT. OKAY.

IF IT GETS TABLED, YOU GOT TO COME BACK UP. YES SIR I THINK YOU GOT A PRETTY POSITIVE RECEPTION. AND, YOU KNOW, LONGTIME FANS IN MY HOUSEHOLD.

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WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE? ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS WE'LL PROBABLY ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I GUESS, AS IS JUST.

WE PROBABLY WON'T MAYBE PUT INTO MOTION THE LITTLE SMALLER ONE.

BUT JUST FOR YOU TO KNOW AND WORK WITH STAFF, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE COMFORTABLE AS IS, BUT YOU CAN AT LEAST JUST HAVE THAT.

SV26-0004 VARIANCE TO THE GATEWAY PLAZA PHASE II CONDITIONAL SIGN PERMIT FOR LUPE TORTILLA AS SUBMITTED WITH APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE FOR THE SIZE OF THE LOGO AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNS BEING THREE VERSUS TWO AS PROVIDED BY STAFF REPORT. DATED. THE STAFF REPORT REPORT DATED FEBRUARY 27TH, 2026. ARE WE GOOD? WE GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE. AND. MOTION PASSES 4-0. GOOD LUCK AGAIN. NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, APRIL 7TH.

ASSUMING YOU MAKE THE AGENDA, HOPEFULLY YOU DO. WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.