[00:00:05] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR MAY 21ST, [1.Call to Order.] 2026. WE WILL JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA HERE AND START OFF WITH ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS. [3.Administrative Comments] THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THERE YOUR, YOUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JUNE 4TH. AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO CALENDARED A SECOND MEETING IN JUNE AS WELL FOR JUNE 18TH AND PAST YEARS BECAUSE OF THE JULY BREAK, WE HAVE TYPICALLY NOT HELD A SECOND MEETING, BUT WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR PLAT SUBMITTAL SCHEDULE TO WHERE IT CAN ACCOMMODATE HOW WE POST FOR P&Z MEETING AND STIPULATES WHAT TYPE OF PLATS WE WOULD PERMIT TO BE ACCEPTED FOR THOSE MEETING CYCLES IN ORDER NOT TO HIT A 30 DAY GAP BETWEEN A P&Z ACTION AND CITY COUNCIL ACTION. SO JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE IS A SECOND MEETING IN JUNE, JUNE 18TH. YOUR NEXT MEETING'S FOR JUNE 4TH. AND WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING ITEMS FOR BOTH THOSE AGENDAS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHAIRMAN COMMENTS. NONE OTHER THAN I THINK WE WILL HAVE OUR CHAIRMAN BACK IN JUNE FOR BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS. DENNIS, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, DO YOU WANT US TO TACKLE THOSE SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER? [CONSENT AGENDA] YOU YOU CAN VOTE ON THE FULL CONSENT AGENDA AND JUST NOTE THE TABLE DATE AS OF HIS 20TH. YEAH, THEY HAVE INDICATED THEY HAVE INDICATED US AUGUST 20TH, ALTHOUGH IT IS POSTED TO BE JUNE 4TH. THEY HAVE LATER REQUESTED THAT THAT BE AUGUST 20TH. AND JUST IF YOU'D NOTE THAT IN MOTION TABLING ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN TO YOUR AUGUST 20TH REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA WHICH CONSISTS OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON MAY 7TH CP26-0004 AND ZA25-0072, WHICH IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THEN I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOTING THE TABLING DATE HAS CHANGED ON BOTH SIX AND SEVEN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON MAY 7TH, WE ACCEPT TO TABLE ITEM SIX AND ITEM SEVEN TO THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING. MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. CARRIES FIVE ZERO. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS IN OUR REGULAR AGENDA. [Items 8 & 9] ITEM NUMBER 8. CP26-0006, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND DO WE WANT TO TAKE THESE TOGETHER, DENNIS? YES, CHAIRMAN. HE'LL PRESENT BOTH ITEMS TOGETHER. AND THEN IF YOU WOULD YOU CAN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH ITEMS SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THEN TAKE YOUR TAKE YOUR ACTION ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM SEPARATELY. OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, FOR THE RECORD AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE TAKING UP ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE COLLECTIVELY ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. ITEM EIGHT NINE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 395 JOHNSON ROAD. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN AND A LAND USE AMENDMENT AT 3095 JOHNSON ROAD FOR THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, THEY ARE REQUESTING LAND USE TO CHANGE FROM PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND FOR THE ZONING FROM CS COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT TO SF-1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. [00:05:04] AS I SAID, FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY IS PUBLIC PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC AND THEY ARE PROPOSING IT TO CHANGE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND CURRENT ZONING IS CS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT. HERE IS A STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH FROM JOHNSON ROAD. ANOTHER STREET VIEW LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM JOHNSON ROAD AND ONE MORE FROM HARRELL ROAD LOOKING NORTHEAST ONTO THE PROPERTY. HERE'S THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. ALL MINIMUM ONE ACRE LOTS WITH THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE JUST OVER 49,000. TREE CONSERVATION PLAN HERE. THEY'RE PRESERVING JUST UNDER 94% OF THE TREES EXISTING. PROPOSED FENCING PLAN DOWN TO THE SOUTH. THERE YOU'LL SEE THEY ARE SHOWING A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE OR IRON FENCE, AND TO THE EAST THEY ARE RETAINING THE EXISTING FENCE OR REPLACING IT WITH A SIX FOOT IRON FENCE. HERE IS THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN, A UTILITY PLAN. AND WE'VE HAD ONE RESPONSE WITHIN 300 WHO WAS UNDECIDED. APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG. I PRESUME YOU'RE THE APPLICANT ON ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE THIS EVENING. YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR. HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. YOU KNOW THE DRILL. I KNOW THE DRILL. CURTIS YOUNG. 1130 NORTH CARROLL HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, KELLY CUSTOM HOMES. PAUL IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM ABOUT THEIR INTENTIONS HERE. THIS IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, A PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS CURRENTLY ON. IT USED TO BE WHERE THE SCHOOL WAS, BUT THEY, THEY, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THEY REBUILT A BRAND NEW SCHOOL, A SCHOOL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND MOVED IT DOWN THERE. AND THIS IS TURNED INTO EXCESS PROPERTY FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND SO THEY HAVE THEY PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND PAUL WAS THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER. IT IS BECAUSE IT WAS A SCHOOL AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE OLD SCHOOL WAS THERE ON THIS DRAWING. IT WAS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC ON THE EXISTING LAND USE PLAN FOR SOUTHLAKE. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO CHANGE THAT. THE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF JOHNSTON, THOSE ARE ALL HALF ACRE LOTS. THAT'S MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL UP THERE. NOT ALL THE LOTS SOUTH OF OF JOHNSTON ARE A FULL ACRE, BUT NONETHELESS IT'S DESIGNATED AS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO HOPEFULLY TO MAKE THIS EASY ON EVERYONE, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO, TO CHANGE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH MEANS ALL LOTS NEED NEED TO BE AT LEAST AN ACRE. AND HERE A LITTLE BIT CLOSE UP, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, THE PROPERTY IS JUST TO OUR EAST IS THE PARK. SO IT'S GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FRONTAGE THERE THAT WE THINK IS A BONUS TO THIS. AND SO HERE'S THE PLAN THERE. THERE WILL BE TWO LOTS FRONTING ON JOHNSON ROAD LOTS ONE AND TWO THAT ARE IN ACRE, AND THEN TWO LOTS BELOW THOSE THAT WILL BE FRONTING ON HARRELL DRIVE. ONE THING THAT STAFF REQUESTED IS THAT WE ALIGN THE DRIVEWAY FOR LOT TWO WITH OVERLAND TRAIL, WHICH IS A STREET ACROSS THE STREET THERE. AND WE'VE SAID THAT WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. AND THERE'S KIND OF AN EXISTING DRIVE HERE AND A GAP IN THE TREES. YOU KNOW, I SUSPECT THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE, THE DRIVE WOULD GO THERE AS WELL, BUT PERHAPS IT WILL COME OFF OF HARRELL DRIVE. BUT THE ONE WE'RE COMMITTING TO IS RIGHT HERE ACROSS FROM OVERLAND TRAIL. SO ANYWAY, THIS IS FAIRLY SIMPLE, BUT BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOTHING. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, NO VARIANCES ARE NEEDED ON EITHER ONE OF THESE ITEMS. CORRECT. IT IS STRAIGHT SF-1A ZONING. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE ON THE AGENDA DO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, [00:10:07] AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS OR THESE TWO ITEMS. AND I'LL NOTE RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM FROM MR. GREG WINSLOW, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A PART OF THIS. SO, MR. WINSLOW, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK. GLAD TO HAVE YOU UP. IF YOU WOULD DO ME A FAVOR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT IT. GREG WINSLOW 333 NORTH PEARSON SOUTHLAKE. SO THIS PROPERTY, THE DRAINAGE PLAN, IS NOT REALLY THOUGHT OUT OR PRESENTED WELL. AND MAYBE THEY HAVE MORE IN THE DRAWINGS, BUT DRAINAGE IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. THEY ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH FLOODING DOWNSTREAM. NOW ON THE EAST SIDE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT HILL COMING IN FROM SMITH PARK. IT'S GOING TO PUT A LOT OF WATER DOWN IN THERE. BUT ON THE HARRELL SIDE, ON THE ON THE WEST THERE, THERE IS NO BAR DITCH. THIS IS A COUNTRY STYLE ROAD WITH BAR DITCHES. ON THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. THERE IS A SIDEWALK NOW WITH NO BAR DITCH. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN SOME WAY TO TAKE ALL THAT ROOFTOP WATER. THERE'S NO RETENTION INVOLVED. THERE IS A SMALL RETENTION DOWN BY THE NEW SCHOOL, BUT IT GOES, ALL THAT WATER IS GOING TO GO UNDERNEATH THE ROAD, PAST ONE HOUSE, AND THEN UNDER MY PROPERTY THERE'S THREE BARRELS, AND ONCE THEY FILL UP, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THAT WATER TO GO. THERE'S NO OVERFLOW THAT GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO PEARSON. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH OF MY PROPERTY, THERE'S A SWELL ON TOP OF THAT FOR THE LOCAL WATER OVER THERE ON THAT SIDE. SO THEY REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF 100 YEAR FLOOD ISSUE, BECAUSE ONCE THOSE BARRELS FILL UP THOSE PIPES, THAT'S IT. THERE'S NO OVERFLOW. THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO GET FLOODED. MY BARN IS GOING TO GET FLOODED. THERE'S NO BAR DITCH RIGHT THERE ALONG HARRELL. SO SOME WAY TO TAKE CARE OF FLOOD WATER NEEDS TO BE DELINEATED AND SPOKEN ABOUT. SO THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN IS FLOOD WATER. AND AS YOU GO FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE, YOU DON'T YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND FIX IT. SO NOW IS THE TIME TO HAVE THEM THINK ABOUT THAT IN A DETAILED MANNER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? OH, WONDERFUL. IF YOU WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YES, GLADLY. JOHN SCHEIDT, 240 HARRELL DRIVE. I'M THE UNDECIDED FOR SAME ISSUES AS THIS FINE GENTLEMAN WAS JUST DISCUSSING. IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, YOU'VE GOT 240 HARRELL. THAT'S ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER, AND YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE. IF WHOEVER'S WORKING THE SLIDES, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE SLIDE, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP. I'VE BEEN A 32 YEAR RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE 12 YEARS AT THIS LOCATION. BUILT NEW. SURE. 40 YEAR ENGINEER. RETIRED RECENTLY. AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THESE KIND OF MAPS PRETTY EASILY, BUT THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN TO THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT EXCELLENTLY MADE. HE'S FURTHER DOWNSTREAM THAN I AM. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS, THAT IS JUST NOT THE WAY THAT THE LAND HAS WORKED FOR THE 12 YEARS THAT I'VE WITNESSED IT RIGHT OUT MY FRONT DOOR. IT'S IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A SHARING RELATIONSHIP, WHETHER THE OLD FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS THERE, YOU HAD SHARING TO THE SOUTH MEADOW AND WHEN IT WAS A FIELD, IT WAS EMPTY. AND OFTENTIMES THAT WOULD FILL UP WITH A TON OF WATER AND BOGGED DOWN. I REMEMBER WHEN SOME TRUCKS GOT STUCK THERE AFTER A BIG RAIN YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAD TO BE KIND OF BE DRAGGED OUT OF THERE. SO AND AGAIN, THEY'VE ADDRESSED IT DURING THE BUILD OF THE NEW FLORENCE ELEMENTARY. BUT THIS TO ME IS JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE FOR THE REASONS THE GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED. THERE'S NOBODY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND EVEN THOUGH THE THE ROADS GOT A PRETTY GOOD CROWN BECAUSE IT'S A BRAND NEW HARRELL DRIVE SINCE LAST SUMMER. AS YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, IT'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD CROWN UP TOWARDS JOHNSON, BUT THAT KIND OF LEVELS OUT AS YOU GET FARTHER DOWNSTREAM. MY BAR DITCH HAS TO TAKE THE LOAD FROM ACROSS JOHNSON UP CIMARRON TRAIL, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD UP THERE. AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE EVEN THERE'S TWO PIPES THAT MERGE UNDERNEATH THE JOHNSON HARRELL INTERSECTION, AND THAT PIPE IS ACTUALLY PARTIALLY BLOCKED. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING US A FAVOR BY SLOWING THE WATER DOWN JUST A BIT, BECAUSE IT'S VERY INTERESTING. IT ONLY TAKES ABOUT AN INCH OF A DOWNPOUR TO FILL UP THE BAR DITCHES, [00:15:04] AND IT BECOMES RUNNING OVER MY DRIVEWAY AND OTHER DRIVEWAYS DOWNSTREAM OF ME. AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT EVEN WILL CROSS OVER HARRELL TO THE EAST SIDE AT AT TIMES TWO. AND YOU CAN EVEN LOOK NOW THAT ON THE SIDES OF HARRELL DRIVE, THERE'S BEEN EROSION OF THE SEDIMENT ALONG HARRELL DRIVE ON JUST A ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR OLD ROAD THAT JUST THAT JUST TELLS YOU ABOUT THE FREQUENCY AND HOW EASY IT IS TO OVERFLOW THOSE DITCHES. AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT EVEN THE CULVERT PIPES, 15 INCH INNER DIAMETER. THOSE DON'T CUT IT. AND IT'S LIKE WHAT CITY PERSON APPROVED THOSE IN ORIGINAL PLANS? RIGHT. YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DUAL OF THOSE AT THIS POINT. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME HIGHLIGHT TO THIS, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS REALLY EASY TO DRAW OUT ON A MAP AT ALL, BUT THE PERSON JUST HAVEN'T SAT THROUGH THAT. AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A CONTINUED SHARED AGREEMENT OR ARRANGEMENT ON THAT SOUTHERN BORDER WITH FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROPERTY. SO THAT THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN POINT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. AND THE GENTLEMAN DID A GREAT JOB OF BRINGING IT FORTH. I DON'T HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM OF ME SUFFER, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A TON OF WATER THAT COMES THROUGH THERE WHEN THERE'S NOT EVEN THAT MUCH RAIN. SO JUST HAVE THE ENGINEERS REALLY LOOK AT IT. I'M OPEN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SOLUTIONS THEY HAVE BECAUSE I THINK AT LEAST IN MY AREA, THERE'S NOBODY THAT'S STARED AT THAT MORE THAN I HAVE IN THIS ENTIRE CITY. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GUYS. OKAY. SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. BYE. PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE IS STILL OPEN. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS? YES, SIR. HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? GOOD TO SEE YOU. IF YOU WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. EMAD MIKHAIL, 3165 JOHNSON ROAD. A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST THERE. MY CONCERN IS IN JUST A CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA. AND WHEN THE SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, THIS AREA IS VERY CONGESTED. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CARS PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN JOHNSON ROAD TO THE EAST AND AND SOMETIMES EVEN THEY BACK UP TO THE WEST AS WELL. SO AS, AS THE NEW OWNERS OF THESE HOUSES COME IN AND OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS, ESPECIALLY LOT ONE, WHICH IS THE CORNER LOT, THAT IS ACTUALLY A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE VERY THEY HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE THE KIDS. SOME OF THE KIDS WALK SOME PARENTS PARK ON CIMARRON TRAIL AND THEN THEY WALK THEIR KIDS UP AND DOWN HARRELL DRIVE AND CROSS JOHNSON ROAD. SO, SO THIS AREA, WHATEVER PRECAUTION HAS TO BE DONE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT HAS TO BE REALLY TIGHT BECAUSE IT IS PRONE TO BEING CONGESTED IN A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL IS ON PASS THROUGH THAT AREA. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN ON ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I GUESS MAYBE A COUPLE OF THINGS. IF WE COULD GET THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE. AND THEN COULD WE MAYBE PULL UP THE AERIAL THAT SHOWS US THE NEW ELEMENTARY AND THE. I THOUGHT SOMEBODY SAID THAT THERE WAS RETENTION DOWN THERE NOW, OR DETENTION OR THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS IT MAYBE. WELL, THIS KIND OF SHOWS THE, THE BIGGEST VIEW IN MY PRESENTATION. GOTCHA. YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEER ISN'T HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS OF THIS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS STRICT ORDINANCES, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTING. OF COURSE, MANY OF THESE PROBLEMS MAY HAVE BEEN WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS THERE, AND OF COURSE, THERE WAS A SCHOOL PARKING LOT, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT MORE RUNOFF FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS THERE. BUT WHAT I CAN PROMISE YOU IS THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY, NUMBER ONE, HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO GIVE THEM A PRESENTATION TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE, THE THING THERE'S, THERE SHOULD BE VERY LITTLE RUNOFF BEYOND A FIELD FOR ACRE LOTS. [00:20:06] YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT ACRE LOTS. THERE'S, THERE'S VERY LITTLE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON ACRE LOTS. AND SECONDLY, WE'D BE HAPPY TO GET WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW THEM HOW HOW WE WENT THROUGH THESE ISSUES AND DEALT WITH THEM TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DRAINAGE IS THAT'S A ENGINEERING CALCULATION THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO, TO FOLLOW THE CITY ORDINANCES. SO WE WILL DO THAT AND WE'LL HAVE A MORE COMPLETE EXPLANATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE LINE, I MEAN, AROUND EVERY SCHOOL, THERE'S A LINE UP TO PICK UP KIDS AT 3:00 OR WHATEVER IT IS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF HOMES AT 3:00. YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE. AND THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE FOUR DRIVEWAYS ON THIS WHOLE THING. IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY SMALL THING. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO REMAIN THERE ALONG HARRELL AND JOHNSON. CORRECT. YEAH. THE SIDEWALKS ALREADY EXIST AND THEY WILL REMAIN. YEAH, I THINK MAYBE TO THE EXTENT, AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED IT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE YOUR ENGINEER PRESENT AND THEN MAYBE BOTH OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT HAD CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN TALK AND YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR INFORMATION, AND THEY CAN BE PART OF THE PROCESS SO THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THE DRAINAGE IS BEING ADDRESSED THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE. THEN I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MAYBE WE COULD PUT THAT INTO MOTION WHEN WE ADDRESS THIS. BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE IT'LL COME UP AT CITY COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW. ANY OTHER LAST MINUTE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOPE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT. MAYBE WE JUST KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE TWO POINTS.CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE NUMBER CP26-0006. AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PROVIDED BY THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 15TH, 2026, AND THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER NINE. I THINK WE JUST TAKE ONE AT A TIME. RIGHT, DENNIS? YES. OKAY. AND THAT WE WITH THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS LAND INTO THE LOTS AS PROVIDED ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE CITY WILL REQUIRE A A DRAINAGE PLAN BE DEVISED TO STUDIED AND SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT OFF SITE DRAINAGE WILL BE MINIMIZED. AND COMMISSIONER. FOR THE FIRST ITEM. IT'S JUST CHANGING THE LAND USE PLAN FROM THE PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC TO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE SECOND ITEM IS THE CONCEPT, PLAN AND ZONING. THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU DISCUSSED WOULD BE APPLIED TO RESTATE THOSE FOR THE MOTION TO BE MADE ON ITEM NINE. SO WHAT I SAID FOR ITEM EIGHT NEEDS TO BE SAID FOR ITEM NINE. YES. YES. COMMISSIONER. YES. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'VE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 15TH, 2026. AND THAT'S A CLEAN MOTION. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES FIVE ZERO. OKAY. AND THEN ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD INCLUDE NOT ONLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT ALSO REQUESTS THAT THEIR ENGINEER BE PRESENT AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. RIGHT. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER NINE, CASE NUMBER ZA26-0035 AS ENUMERATED BY STAFF REPORT, MAY 15TH, 2026. ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR 3095 JOHNSON ROAD THAT THE CITY RECEIVED FROM THE APPLICANT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE DRAINAGE AND AND STORMWATER DETENTION POTENTIAL FOR THIS SITE AND THAT THE APPLICANT [00:25:02] BRING WITH THEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT HEARS THIS CASE, THE ENGINEER THAT WILL INDICATE WHAT THE, WHAT THE DESIGN SOLUTION WILL BE FOR THAT SITUATION, AND I PRESUME YOUR MOTION WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MAY 15TH, 2026. AND THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE PART OF THE CONCEPT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED MAY 15TH, 2026. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES FIVE ZERO. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 10, ZA26-0040. [10.Consider: ZA26-0040, Concept Plan for Bridlegate on property described as Lot 2R, R. D. Price No. 992 Addition and located at 4000 N. White Chapel Blvd. Current Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ] AND I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, DENNIS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS WOULD BE. IT WILL NOT BE UNTIL AUGUST 5TH BECAUSE OF THE JULY BREAK WITH NO MEETINGS OCCURRING IN THIS. AM I CORRECT? NO. I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NO. THANK YOU. IT WILL BE JUNE 16TH. I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'LL BE FIRST READING FOR THAT ITEM. OKAY. AND SO THOSE TWO ITEMS WILL BE JUNE 16TH. AND I THINK THOSE GENTLEMEN WENT OUT IN THE HALLWAY TO MEET WITH MR. YOUNG, SO. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. I'LL LET THAT. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY HEARD AUGUST 1ST BEFORE. ALL RIGHT. SO STAFF, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO OUT AND REMIND THE CITIZENS THAT SPOKE EARLIER THAT THE NEXT MEETING IS IN JUNE RATHER THAN AUGUST. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. ITEM TEN. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION. THIS IS ITEM TEN, A REVISED CONCEPT PLAN FOR BRIDLEGATE LOCATED AT 4000 NORTH WHITE CHAPEL BOULEVARD. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF WEST BOB JONES ROAD IN NORTH WHITECHAPEL. FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. CURRENT ZONING IS SF-1A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS STREET VIEW FROM NORTH WHITECHAPEL FACING WEST AND NOTING THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE IS TO BE REMOVED. THIS IS STREET VIEW FROM WEST BOB JONES FACING SOUTH WITH THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE LOCATION FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND A STREET VIEW LOOKING SOUTH, SHOWING THE PROPOSED ACCESS DRIVE FOR LOT SIX. THIS IS JUST A BIT OF HISTORY FOR THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN ZA14-093. IT WAS A COMBINATION OF TWO LOTS AND TWO ONE TO CREATE THE CURRENT EXISTING LOT TWO AND ALSO NOTING THAT IT WAS A ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN. THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN FROM THE APPLICANT IS EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS KEEPING THE SAME SF-1A ZONING WITH THE VARIANCE TO THE PRIVATE STREET AND A VARIANCE FOR LOT SIX FOR AN ACCESS TO THE COLLECTOR ROAD. THIS IS A SITE DATA SUMMARY. AGAIN NOTING THAT IT'S EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 1.09 ACRES. AND THE TWO VARIANCE REQUEST IS A PRIVATE STREET IS PROPOSED WITH A GATE ACCESS AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 483 AS AMENDED, SECTION 5.04 WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT PRIVATE STREETS AND NEW SUBDIVISIONS IN WHICH LESS THAN 75% OF THE LOTS CONTAIN HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED STRUCTURES TO ALLOW A GATED COMMUNITY. AND THE SECOND VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634, SECTION FIVE POINT 3.C A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY OFF A COLLECTOR STREET IS NOT PERMITTED WHEN THERE'S AN ACCESS TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO LOT SIX TO LOT TO ALLOW DRIVEWAY ACCESS ONTO WEST BOB JONES ROAD. THIS IS OUR DRAINAGE PLAN INDICATING IT'S FLOWING SOUTH TOWARDS THE EAST. THE UTILITY PLAN OF THE WATER AND SEWER PROPOSED LINES. THERE ARE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN MINIMUM EXISTING TREE COVER TO BE PRESERVED AS 70%, 70% AND THEY'RE PRESERVING 75.3%. AND AS OF NOW, THERE ARE NO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSES AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON ITEM NUMBER TEN? YES, SIR. IF YOU WOULD COME ON DOWN. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. IF YOU WOULD DO US A FAVOR AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, [00:30:02] MY ADDRESS IS 192 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD IN SOUTHLAKE. WELL, NICE SEEING YOU GUYS HERE. THANKS FOR COMING. SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH THAT OUR BRIDLE GATE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE A VERY HIGH END ADDITION TO THE TO THE SOUTHLAKE PRESENCE. SO WE WERE HOPING TO. I KNOW THAT GATE HAS BEEN A VERY TOUCHY SUBJECT. BUT PRIVATE ROAD IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. I WANTED TO KIND OF SAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO MIRROR SADDLEBACK GATE INTO BRIDLE GATES, SO WE WOULD HAVE THE ROW RIGHT ACROSS ACROSS THE WAY AND THOSE SIX PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT HOA. WE'LL WE BE MAINTAINING THAT AREA, WE HAVE TWO PONDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING INTO THAT SUBDIVISION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF COST THAT GOES INTO THAT AND TRYING TO GET THAT TO, TO BE MAINTAINED AND UPKEPT. SO OUR VALUE OF OUR LOTS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE SAME VALUE AS SADDLEBACK AS THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTAINING TO BE DONE. SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE THAT SAME VALUE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE BRING THE VALUE THAT WE NEED TO OUR SUBDIVISION. TALKING ABOUT THE FRONTAGE LOTS OFF OF WHITECHAPEL, THOSE TWO LOTS THOSE ARE JUST FACING LOTS, KEEPING THE SAME NICE CORRIDOR LOOK THAT WE ALL ARE SO USED TO OFF OF WHITECHAPEL AND KEEPING THOSE FRONT FACING LOTS ARE IMPORTANT. AS I LIVE DOWN THE STREET AND DRIVE DOWN BOTH OF THESE STREETS DAILY OR TWICE A DAY AT LEAST. SO THE PARK IS RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY. THIS IS KIND OF A CONCEPT PLAN OF WHAT THE FRONT WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS SHOWING WITH THE NO GATES BUT STILL PRIVATE PRIVATE ROAD. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WERE THINKING OF. THIS IS THIS ONE HAS GATES. THOSE ARE THE TWO FRONTAGE LOTS THAT YOU SEE FROM THAT ORIGINAL VIEW FROM WHITECHAPEL THAT THERE IS A POND AND A NICE HOUSE THERE. SO WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THAT SAME, THAT SAME THAT SAME LOOK. SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT YOU SEE HERE, THERE'S JUST SOME CONCEPT PLANS AND HERE'S THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISION LAID OUT. THERE IS A AN ISSUE WITH LOT SIX AND THE TOPOGRAPHIC. THE WAY THAT THE LAND IS TOP OUT AND THE NATURAL CURVATURE OF THAT LAND FROM WHERE THE HOUSE WOULD ACTUALLY BE SITTING ON THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A 20 FOOT DROP THAT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG RETENTION POND IS GOING TO BE. BECAUSE WE GOT TO CATCH ALL THAT WATER AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FEED INTO THE FLUME FROM THE SUBDIVISION NEXT TO IT. AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THE DRAINAGE PLAN HERE IT IS. AND THAT WOULD ALL GO WHERE YOU SEE RIGHT INTO B.1 AND THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG DROP HITS. LET'S SEE IF I CAN SEE SOME NUMBERS ON HERE. SEE IF I COULD ZOOM IN AND LOOK. THIS IS OUR TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING OVER THE MINIMUM OF KEEPING AS MANY TREES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THE PRIVACY OF THE, OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THE NEIGHBORS AROUND US. SO THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS. I SPOKE TO THEM. A LOT OF THEM REALLY APPRECIATED THE TIME AND CONCERN THAT I TOOK OUT TO VISIT WITH THEM AND TO GET ALL THOSE CONCERNS. SO THERE, THE OTHER ONE. SO THIS IS THE TWO PICTURES THAT I WANTED YOU GUYS TO SEE, LIKE THE DROP THAT HOW THAT PROPERTY JUST DROPS OFF AND THE TYPE OF RETAINING WALL THAT WE WOULD HAVE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ALMOST LIKE 20FT. IT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND PUT THE, PUT THE TYPE OF HOUSES THAT WE WANT THERE, AND THEN ADD THE POOL OFTEN TO THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE, THE EAST SIDE. SO THE OTHER THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS IF YOU STEP DOWN WITH MULTIPLE RETAINER WALLS AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SLOPE THE PORCH DOWN AND THEN DROP THE RETAINER WALLS, STEP DOWN. [00:35:04] THIS IS A PRETTY CLOSE PICTURE OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO IT'S NOT SOME BIG, HUGE RETAINER WALL WHERE THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY TURNED EAST TO WEST VERSUS NORTH TO SOUTH. SO THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY THE, THE WAY THE HOUSE IS BUILT. YOU TYPICALLY WANT YOUR FRONTAGE TO BE MORE WIDTH WISE FOR YOUR, FOR STREET ESTHETICS VERSUS SKINNY. AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE WAY IT LOOKS BECAUSE IT'S MORE PUSHED UP ONTO THE PROPERTY AND AWAY FROM THE POND. AND IF I HAD A TURN, THEN THAT DROP WOULD CONTINUE TO BE DROPPING. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG RETAINER WALL WOULD COME INTO EFFECT TO JUST GET THE HOUSE THERE. I THINK THAT'S IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT. WHY DON'T YOU DO A WALK OUT BASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THAT RATHER THAN BUILDING RETAINING WALLS? SO HERE IN, IN TEXAS, IT'S REALLY RARE TO SEE BASEMENTS. I KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU BE UNIQUE AND UTILIZE THE PROPERTY YOU GOT, RIGHT? MAKES SENSE TO ME. I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME IN FORT WORTH. YEAH. SO THE THE SOIL THERE, RIGHT. AS I WAS, AS WE'VE HAD SOIL TEST DONE AND IN THAT AREA IT IS NOT VERY CONGRUENT TO BASEMENTS. AND IT WAS AN IDEA. AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP. I ACTUALLY HAVE A, A WALKOUT BASEMENT MYSELF PERSONALLY. AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS PROBLEMS. I HAVE FOUNDATION ISSUES AND MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR HAS A SIMILAR PROBLEM. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SHIFTING GOING ON, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA. I MEAN, I'M LESS THAN LESS THAN A HALF MILE AWAY FROM THIS HOUSE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THAT GIGANTIC RETAINING WALL ISLAND YOU WERE TRYING TO BUILD THERE. SO, SO THE RETAINING WALL, RIGHT, IS NOT STRUCTURALLY HOLDING A HOME, RIGHT? SO USUALLY ON YOUR, ON YOUR ENGINEERING REPORTS, THEY ALLOW QUARTER INCH MOVEMENTS, RIGHT, QUARTER INCH TO A HOUSE. CAN YOU KNOW, MORE DISTURB DRYWALL AND TILE, RIGHT? AND QUARTER INCH MOVEMENT ON A RETAINING WALL WOULDN'T REALLY IT DOESN'T DISTURB THE ESTHETIC OF THE, OF THE RETAINING WALL BECAUSE YOU HAVE CINDERBLOCK AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE TRIPLE STACKED OR QUADRUPLE STACKED BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT. SO YOUR, SO YOUR BLOCKS WOULD BE MOVING AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A BRICK LEDGE AND THAT BRICK LEDGE WOULD, IT WOULD BE HAVING THE FACE. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN YOU HAVE A PLAY AND THAT THAT QUARTER INCH, IT COULD HANDLE THAT. BUT WHEN EVERYTHING'S SO TIGHT ON THESE HOUSES, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MANAGE A QUARTER INCH MOVEMENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CAN WE PUT THE, WHILE I DO THAT. CAN WE PUT THE I THINK THE CONCEPT PLAN UP THAT MAYBE STAFF HAD AT THE VERY BEGINNING WITH THERE'S TWO VARIANCES, RIGHT. SORRY. YEAH, MAYBE I THINK ONE MORE TO THE, THAT ACTUALLY HAD THEM SHOWN ON THE. YEAH. RIGHT THERE. YEP. AND DID I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY? YOU WENT TO CORRIDOR COMMITTEE? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND, I MEAN, I WASN'T THERE, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS YOU WERE PROBABLY TOLD THERE'S NO WAY A GATE'S GOING IN HERE. YEAH. OKAY. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. I'M JUST I KNOW YOU WANT A GATE, AND I KNOW IN ORDER TO GET A GATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRIVATE STREET. AND I'M WONDERING WHY A PRIVATE STREET IS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAVE ANY MONEY BUILDING STREET, THE PRIVATE STREETS, THE SAME WIDTH, SAME LENGTH, SAME CONSTRUCTION AS THE CITY STREET. AND ALL YOU'RE DOING IS BURDENING SIX FUTURE HOMEOWNERS WITH AN HOA MAINTENANCE BILL TO MAINTAIN A STREET. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A RESPONSIBLE BUILDER WOULD DO THAT WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY. RIGHT. I JUST I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENT ON THAT. YES, SIR. SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE HOPING FOR A PRIVATE STREET IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SECURITY. SORRY. A SECURITY SHACK. SORRY, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? [00:40:01] A SO WE HAVE A HAMMERHEAD WITH A SECURITY TOWER. SORRY. THERE WE GO. AND THAT SECURITY TOWER WE WERE HOPING TO, IF THE HOMEOWNERS WANTED TO, IN THE HOA HAVE THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND PUTTING A MANNED PERSON IN THERE YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY AND THAT THAT HOA WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, HAVING THE PRIVATE HAVING THAT PRIVATE ACCESS IS BECAUSE THAT DETENTION POND IS GOING TO BE REALLY BIG AND WE'RE HOPING TO TO STOCK IT WITH FISH. AND SO WE WERE TRYING NOT TO HAVE ANY EXCESS TRAFFIC OUTSIDE OF SOUTHLAKE. THERE'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE. I'M OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY I KEEP TELLING YOU I'M A RESIDENT IN THE AREA. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THIS OFF OF THIS STREET, ESPECIALLY. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE MOBILE HOMES NOT EVEN A HALF MILE AWAY. YOU HAVE TROPHY CLUB THAT COMES THROUGH HERE. ROANOKE COMES THROUGH HERE. THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR WAY TO COME THROUGH IS THROUGH EAST. BOB JONES THAT IS THE WAY THAT NAVIGATION TAKES YOU AND YOU GO TO THE PARK, YOU HAVE AN EQUESTRIAN DRIVE, WHICH YOU HAVE A TON OF PEOPLE THAT TRAILER THEIR HORSES INTO THAT AREA AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH HERE THAT ARE NOT SOUTHLAKE CITIZENS. THAT'S THE ROAD THEY TRAVEL ON. MOST OF YOUR SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WHITE CHAPEL IS SUCH A LONG ROAD, THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR WHERE YOUR MAIN RESIDENTS ARE DRIVING THROUGH TO COME THIS WAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ON THE SOUTHLAKE SIDE. THIS IS THE LAST. THIS IS THE LAST. THIS IS THE WEST. THIS IS THE VERY WEST PART OF OF SOUTHLAKE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TO KEEP THIS SUBDIVISION IN A MORE OF A UNIQUE AND PRIVATE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WANT IT PRIVATE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE PRIVATE. AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE PONDS AND ALL THAT STUFF, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY GOING IN THERE TO GO TAKE OUT STOCKFISH. AND SECURITY IS THE BIGGEST ONE, HONESTLY. SO I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THAT. SO I LIVE ON LOT 16, WHICH IS BACKING UP TO LOT FOUR HERE. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SECURITY. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 2014. PEOPLE WANT TO GO FISH. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO BOB JONES PARK, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. WHY WOULD THEY GO DOWN A PRIVATE ROAD TO A TINY DETENTION POND? I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT, YEAH, THE TRAFFIC DOES TAKE PEOPLE DOWN. BOB JONES TO USE BOB JONES PARK, BUT I MEAN, WHITE CHAPEL DEAD ENDS AT THE END. THIS IS NOT THERE'S NO SECURITY ISSUES IN THIS AREA. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO HAVE ANOTHER GATED COMMUNITY LIKE SADDLEBACK. SADDLEBACK IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I HAVE LITERALLY BEEN STUCK BEHIND THAT GATE. WHEN I WAS WALKING IN SADDLEBACK, THE GATE CLOSED BEHIND ME. I HAD TO LIKE SHIMMY UNDER IT AND ALMOST KILLED MYSELF. SO I DO NOT SEE ANY REASON FOR GATES IN THIS AREA. YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF US BEING RESIDENTS THERE, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, GATE IS, IS NOT THE BIGGEST PUSH. AND, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT SOMETIMES THAT FEELS REALLY CLOSED OFF AND YOU CAN'T GET IN AND THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE. SO THAT'S WHY THE IDEA OF A MANNED PERSON. SO IT FEELS OPEN, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT SECURITY AGAIN, YOU'RE ON THE STREET THAT YOU'RE ON IS ACTUALLY, I FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE TUCKED AWAY SAFER STREETS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT OFF OF A, THROUGH A THROUGH ROAD. RIGHT. AND SO EAST BOB JONES THERE'S TEN PROPERTIES ON THAT ROAD. ONLY ONE PROPERTY IS NOT GATED. EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY, NINE OUT OF THE TEN HAVE GATES, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. SO I, I'VE DONE THE RESEARCH, RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, 90% ARE GATED, ARE GATED ON THAT ROAD AND IT'S FOR A REASON. AND BECAUSE IT'S A THROUGH STREET, IT'S NOT YOUR MAIN CORRIDOR, RIGHT. YOUR MAIN CORRIDOR IS WHITECHAPEL, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR MAIN STREET. THAT'S THE MAIN CORRIDOR. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE THROUGH STREET. AND LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS. I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT WE'RE KIND OF BEATING A DEAD HORSE ON THE GATE ISSUE THERE. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS WITH THE FOR THE APPLICANT OR QUESTIONS? [00:45:02] OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. THAT WAS IT. THANKS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DENNIS QUESTION BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF WE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS AND DENY BOTH VARIANCES, WHAT WOULD THE NET EFFECT OF THAT BE WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIVATE STREET AND THE ACCESS OFF THE COLLECTOR? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT WOULD REQUIRE THOSE CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE AS PART OF THE PLAN IF IT IS APPROVED, NOTING DENIAL OF THAT. IF YOU CHOOSE TO DENY THE CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE OF THE PRIVATE GATE AND AND ACCESS, WHICH IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T WISH TO CHANGE, YOU COULD RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PLAN AS WELL. SO IT'S A YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF APPROVING THE PLAN, BUT NOT APPROVING THE VARIANCES AND MOVING IT FORWARD OR DENYING THE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCES. AND SO IF WE APPROVE THE PLAN BUT DENY THE VARIANCES, WOULD THAT EFFECTIVELY MAKE THAT A PUBLIC STREET? YOUR RECOMMENDATION GOING COUNCIL WOULD WOULD FOR THAT TO BE A PUBLIC STREET AND NOT A PRIVATE STREET AND TO NOT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DIRECT LOT ACCESS ONTO BOB JONES ROAD, IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE OR DENY IN THE SAME MANNER AS YOU HAVE THIS EVENING. AS FAR AS YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PLAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, I GUESS. QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, OF COURSE, FIRST. YES. BUT ARE YOU STUCK ON THIS PRIVATE? WE. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO KNOW. ARE YOU STUCK ON NEEDING THESE TWO VARIANCES? SO THE VARIANCE OF THE PRIVATE STREET AND THE THE, THE LOT SIX VARIANCE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO THAT'S A YES. YOU'RE STUCK ON THEM. THE GATE IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO, TO BEND AND I, I WOULD YOU KNOW, LIKE TO SEE THE ZONING GO THROUGH BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY ZONING HERE. RIGHT. WE'RE JUST KEEPING IT SF1A. THE VARIANCE IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO US OF THE PRIVACY PART AND GETTING ACCESS TO LOT SIX AND ACTUALLY MAKING IT A BUILDABLE LOT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A BUILDABLE LOT. OKAY, SO YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT? NO MATTER WHAT? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT SOMETHING. RIGHT. YEAH. SO TURNING, TURNING THE HOUSE JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT VARIANCE. HOW, HOW MUCH MORE IMPORTANT IT IS THAN YOUR THAN WE'RE, THAN I'M SPEAKING. I GOTTA FIND THE CAN I GET MINE UP HERE. SORRY. SO IF WE LOSE THE VARIANCE. RIGHT. JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. WE WOULD BE LOSING THE HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND. WHICH OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE. I GOTTA SHOW YOU THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SORRY. BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. ON THE BOTTOM PICTURE ON THE RIGHT. SO IF WE, IF WE HAD TO TURN THAT HOUSE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE WOULD BE LOSING THE, THE THE OVAL ISLAND JUST TO GET A DRIVEWAY TO TURN IN TO THAT WHERE WE'RE LOSING ALL THAT, THE WALL THAT LANDSCAPING AND THAT BEAUTIFUL ENTRANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD. SO WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT OUT SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A DRIVEWAY TURN IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU TURN IN OFF OF EAST BOB JONES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT A DRIVEWAY AND HAVE A CAR DRIVE UP 20FT TO GET UP TO THE HOUSE OR ON A TILT. OR THAT BIG HUGE RETAINER WALL COMES INTO FACT. SO IF THAT VARIANCE DOESN'T GET APPROVED, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE ME TO GO BACK AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO. THIS CONCEPT GOES AWAY. YOU WON'T YOU WON'T GET WE WON'T HAVE THIS. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE. SO SO TO CLARIFY. YES, SIR. AND I WOULD STATE JUST FROM A CITY STANDPOINT AND HOW WE VIEW THESE, IF THAT IS A PUBLIC STREET, IF THEY WANTED TO CONSTRUCT THAT THAT ISLAND AND. [00:50:04] AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY STRUCTURES IN THAT. YOU MEAN DO WE WOULD NEED THAT TO BE IN LIKE A, A COMMON AREA OR SOMETHING INTO A SEPARATE LOT. BECAUSE OF BEING SF1A ZONING RATHER THAN MAYBE A SPECIAL DISTRICT. THE FACT IF THAT'S LIKE A COMMON AREA LOT, IT CAN BE ANY SIZE, BUT PUTTING A, A, A BUILDING OR OCCUPIABLE STRUCTURE IN INTO THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE ZONING THERE UNDER, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, IF THE CITY WERE TO APPROVE A MEDIAN OR AN ISLAND LIKE THAT, WE WOULD REQUIRE IT TO BE IN A SEPARATE OPEN SPACE LOT TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE OWNER'S ASSOCIATION. CITY WOULD NOT MAINTAIN THAT OR ALLOW THAT IN THEIR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT SOME MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THAT. SO. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, THE PROBLEM. YOU'RE CREATING YOUR OWN PROBLEM OF WHERE YOU CAN GET AN ENTRANCE ONTO THAT LOT OFF OF THE STREET THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD BY INSISTING ON THIS BIG TURNAROUND WITH THIS GATE. SO YOU'RE CREATING YOUR OWN PROBLEM AND THEN ASKING FOR US TO APPROVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE OFF OF BOB JONES ROAD, WHICH IS A VARIANCE WHICH IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE GATE AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT WIDE THROATED TURNAROUND, YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE A DIRECT ENTRANCE INTO THE LOT OFF OF THE NEW STREET THAT YOU'RE BUILDING. IS THAT. THAT'S TRUE. SO NO, BECAUSE THE GATE ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS THE ISLAND. NO, WHAT I SAID WAS IT'S WHAT'S TRUE IS YOU'RE CREATING YOUR OWN PROBLEM BY BUILDING THIS GATED ENTRANCE WITH THE WIDE THROATED TURNAROUND. YOU'RE CREATING YOUR OWN PROBLEM THAT HAVE TO NEED THE ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE OFF OF BOB JONES. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT WIDE THROATED TURNAROUND AND THAT WIDE THROATED AREA FOR THE FOR THAT GATE HOUSE, YOU WOULD HAVE ROOM OFF OF THE NEW STREET THAT YOU'RE WANTING. THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD THAT COULD THEN BE A CITY STREET AND TURN INTO THE LOT WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS CONCEPT, YOU WOULD RATHER NOT SEE THIS CONCEPT AND JUST A REGULAR STREET? I'M JUST. I'M JUST ASKING. RIGHT. YOU WOULD RATHER SEE JUST A NORMAL STREET WITH NO VEGETATION OR ANY CORRIDOR FEEL AND KEEPING THAT THAT I GUESS WE WOULD REMOVE THE PONDS BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT OF DOING THE PONDS ANYMORE. BECAUSE NOW IT'S NO HOA BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED AN HOA. SO WE'RE SO WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? AND IT COST A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD THESE PONDS, ESPECIALLY OFF OF EAST BOB JONES. RIGHT. I THINK WHAT LET'S DO THIS. SO YOU'VE PRESENTED WHAT YOU WANT TO US. SO LET US GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN I THINK MAYBE WE DELIBERATE AND THEN WE CAN VOTE IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO VOTE AND YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU CAN TELL US THAT TOO, RIGHT? OKAY. SO CAN I ASK YOU GUYS TO VOTE ON THE SF-1A AND WITH COMMENTS? WELL, WE'RE ONLY VOTING ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING, WHICH IS THE REVISED CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE GATED PORTION OF THIS, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, LOOK, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE VOTE. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. YEAH. BUT I CAN PRETTY MUCH TELL YOU THE GATE ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. RIGHT. I, I SEE THAT AND I'M CONVEYING THAT. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AND I HAVEN'T SHOWED YOU ANY CONCEPT PLANS WITH THE GATE. SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT AS IMPORTANT TO US AS HAVING A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT ENTRY. THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO US THAN A GATE. THE BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT ENTRY. LET'S DO THIS. YES, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DELIBERATE. I THINK WE'LL HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHERE THE VOTE'S GOING. YES, SIR. AND IF FOR SOME REASON YOU DON'T WANT US TO VOTE ON THIS, THEN YOU LET US KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'LL. I'LL TAKE A VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER TEN ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I GUESS LET'S JUST KIND OF GET PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND THEN WE CAN. [00:55:01] I THINK THE APPLICANT WISHES US TO TAKE A VOTE. SO LET'S MAYBE HEAR THOUGHTS. I FEEL LIKE THAT GATE ARGUMENT IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING SINGLE FAMILY LOT, EVERYBODY HAS A GATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE HORSES AND DOGS AND WHATNOT, SO THAT IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING APPLES TO APPLES WITH THAT. WELL. I'M NOT FOR THE GATE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO SAY THAT IF IT BECOMES A PUBLIC STREET, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN MAKE A NICE LOOKING ENTRANCE. AND I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD DENNIS SAY WAS THE FACT THAT THE CITY WON'T MAINTAIN THAT, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MAKE A NICE LOOKING ENTRANCE TO THEIR TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M AND I'M WITH YOU. THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY THAT CLOSE COMING OFF OF BOB JONES. IT NEEDS TO ALL BE IN THIS ONE INCLUSIVE AREA. OKAY. AND I GUESS FOR PURPOSES OF US GETTING READY TO TAKE A MOTION AND VOTE HERE, CAN WE GET THAT ONE SLIDE BACK UP OR WE SHOW BOTH VARIANCES? JUST SO I'M CLEAR WHEN I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. YOU HAD IT UP A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. YEP. RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THE TWO VARIANCES THOUGHTS ON THE TWO VARIANCES I THINK TONIGHT BOTH. COMMISSIONER PHALEN DO YOU HAVE. YEAH. I MEAN I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THE GATE. I'D BE I WOULD PREFER IT BEING A PRIVATE PUBLIC ROAD. I MEAN YOU'RE ONLY GETTING FIVE OF THE EIGHT LOTS SO IT SEEMS SILLY ANYWAY, BUT I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPPOSITION TO LOT SIX. ANOTHER DRIVEWAY OUT THERE, BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE JUST TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD AND HAVE ALL OF THEM INGRESS ONTO THE ONTO THAT ROAD. BUT I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE SINGLE LOT UNDER THE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM, I SEE NO REASON FOR THIS TO BE A PRIVATE STREET. IT'S A IT CAN BE A PUBLIC STREET. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS BIG GATE FACILITY, AND THEREFORE IT DOESN'T NEED AN ENTRANCE OFF OF BOB JONES ROAD. IT CAN BE A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THOSE TWO THINGS. OKAY. YOU WANT TO TRY AND CRAFT A MOTION? I'M GATHERING. EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. THE ISSUE IS THE HEARTBURN ON THE GATE AND THE TWO VARIANCES. SO YOU WANT TO CRAFT A MOTION. I MEAN I'M GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOKING DEVELOPMENT. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT WAS PUT INTO IT. I THINK IT LOOKS NICE, BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE VARIANCES OR THE GATE. SO. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA26-0040. REVISED CONCEPT PLAN FOR 4000 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD, AS DEFINED AT STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 15TH, 2026. THE REVISED CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED MAY 15TH, 2026, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE OF THE TWO VARIANCES, ONE BEING THE ADDITIONAL SEPARATE ENTRANCE OFF OF BOB JONES ROAD FOR LOT SIX. AND WE DO NOT APPROVE OF A GATED ENTRANCE OR A PRIVATE STREET THAT THE STREET BE CONSTRUCTED AS A PUBLIC STREET. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DENNIS, IS THAT MOTION? YES. THAT'S GOOD. GOOD MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES FIVE ZERO. AND JUST FOR CLARITY, FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WILL GO TO THE JUNE 16TH. THAT IS CORRECT. YES. CITY COUNCIL MEETING? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.