Jun 16, 2026 City Council

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANTS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

ITEM 6D IS THE SECOND READING AND REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 6D. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK REGARDING 6D? I'VE GOT SOME PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.

YES, SIR. CHRIS NEEDENHOFER, 1200 BAY MEADOWS DRIVE HERE IN SOUTH LAKE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO 6D.

EVEN GOT MY LAST NAME NAME RIGHT ON THE SECOND TRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'VE LIVED IN SOUTH LAKE FOR 43 YEARS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE NORTH CAROL SEGMENT. I DON'T SAY THIS TO IMPRESS YOU. I THINK IT'S RELEVANT. I'M KIND OF SURPRISED TO BEEN HERE THIS LONG TOO. I ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL WITH RICK STACY'S CHILDREN DORIAN AND LIZ, SO I HOPE HE'S DOING GOOD. WE CALLED HIM BURNING MONEY BECAUSE HE WAS COMMERCIALS.

I'VE PASSED THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION THOUSANDS OF TIMES AND ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THE MAN WHO OWNED IT ONE SUMMER MOWING LAWNS. I KNOW WHAT SOUTH LAKE USED TO BE AND FEEL LIKE IN THE NORTH SECTOR AND THAT'S WHY I'M SO OPPOSED TO THIS CURRENT APPLICATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S A FIT. THE FACTS ARE OVER A DOZEN CITIZENS HAVE PROPOSED OR PROPOSED CHANGES TO THIS PROPERTY. OPPOSITION BEGAN AT THE FIRST BEND MEETING AND PLANNING AND ZONING FROM THE FIRST COUNCIL READING TWO WEEKS AGO AND NOW TONIGHT.

NOBODY HAS SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF THIS. NOT ONE. THIS WOULD ADD MORE HOMES DIRECTLY INSIDE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ZONE WITH SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED TRAFFIC IN CONSTRUCTION FROM OCCUPANTS AND GUESTS, MAINTENANCE AND DELIVERY VEHICLES. AND SCHOOL ZONES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE ZONES.

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SCHOOL ZONES. THE MAJORITY OF THIS LAND IS FLOODED AND THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS WITH DRAINAGE AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN PROVE WHAT WATER IS GOING TO DO. I THINK WE SAW THAT THIS WEEK WITH SOUTHBOUND I35 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CARROLL AVENUE, NOT A MAJOR ARTERY OF TEXAS.

THE CURRENT OWNER IS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE OF THIS LAND, BUT AT WHAT AND WHOSE COST? THE WHAT IS THE LOSS OF THE RURAL CHARACTERIZATION AND LOW DENSITY TRADITION OF THE NORTH QUARTER SIDE SETBACK SHOULD BE 20FT 2025 FOR AGRICULTURAL. THE EAST SIDE FACING CARROLL IS WHAT WE SEE AND THERE JUST ISN'T WIDTH TO MAKE THIS A GOOD FIT FOR THIS SECTOR. WE'RE ALSO LIMITED ON THE FRONT SETBACKS DUE TO THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE WEST, FURTHER ADDING TO A COMPRESSED LOOK. THE WHO IS BIGGER THING I THINK IS THE LOSS OF SAFETY ISSUE FOR BOTH THE ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC DIRECTLY IN THE SCHOOL ZONE. E BIKES, SCOOTERS WHICH ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND GOLF CARTS ARE EXTREMELY PREVALENT AND THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO SEE.

SCHOOL ZONES SHOULD BE SAFE ZONES. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE LAND FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN AND ALSO HOMEOWNERS CONCERNED WITH DRAINAGE FROM DOVE CREEK AND PAST FLOODING. WHERE DOVE CREEK CROSSES CARROLL, THERE'S A SOLID WOODEN FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S RECENTLY BUILT. IF WE'RE 94% BUILT OUT, REMAINING AGRICULTURAL LAND HAS TO BE HANDLED CAREFULLY AND WITH GREAT STEWARDSHIP AND THAT'S WHAT CITIZENS EXPECT FROM THE COUNCIL. AND MANY OF YOU HAVE PROMISED A LOW DENSITY TRADITION FOR SOUTH LAKE. WE NEED YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS.

WE CAN AND SHOULD DO BETTER WITH A BETTER APPLICATION.

AT EVERY MEETING, EVERY MEETING, TWO HOMES CAME UP.

MAXIMUM ONE MEETING OR ONE HOME MAYBE. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A MORE CONSERVATIVE AND PRUDENT APPLICATION FOR THIS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT FORM IS FROM WILLIAM QUINN AT 1330 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. WE'LL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AT THIS ITEM. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. EVEN THOUGH I DID IT, SIR.

WILLIAM QUINN, 1330 NORTH CAROL AVENUE.

OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR SON A OF MOST AFFECTED BY THIS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK LIKE KEITH SAID, TWO HOMES I THINK IS MORE REASONABLE. AND EVEN ADDING IN.

IF WE COULD ADD IN THAT OPEN

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SPACE SO IT'S MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES.

LEAVING OPEN SPACE IN THE BACK JUST SEEMS LIKE A NIGHTMARE WAIT TO HAPPEN ON THERE.

IF WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMEBODY WOULD BE VERY PLEASED TO GET THREE AND A HALF ACRES, TWO THREE AND A HALF ACRE LOTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE TECHNICALLY NOT THREE AND A HALF USABLE ACRES AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THE LOT VALUE A LOT BETTER, LOOK A LOT BETTER GOING DOWN THE NORTH CAROL.

KIND OF KEEP UP WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT OVER THERE INSTEAD OF SMALLER CONDENSED LOTS OVER THERE WITH BETTER SETBACKS.

SO I THINK I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH TWO, TWO LOTS DOWN THERE, MAKE IT ONE SOLID ALL THE WAY BACK CLEARING THAT OPEN SPACE, CONTAINING IT SO THAT OWNER HAS TO MAINTAIN IT.

BUT AND GET RID OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE GET RID OF THAT SLIP DRIVEWAY. EACH INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY THEY CAN MAINTAIN.

WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AN HOA PER SE TO FIX THAT DRIVEWAY WHEN IT DOES COME UP AND SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN OVER THERE. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. WE ALSO HAVE 15 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS AS OF TODAY'S DATE. WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING RESPONSES. KAREN NIEDENHOFER AT 1200 BAY MEADOWS IS OPPOSED. CHRIS NEEDENHOFER AT 1200 BAY MEADOWS, OPPOSED. LISA QUINN AT 1036 DIAMOND BOULEVARD IS OPPOSED TO FRED MANLEY AT 1204 WHISPERING LANE IS OPPOSED.

NANCY HARTZELL AT 1200 POWDER RIVER TRAIL IS OPPOSED.

CANDICE CAPERTIN MANLEY AT 1204 WHISPERING LANE IS OPPOSED. WILLIAM QUINN AT 1330 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE IS OPPOSED. JEFF MCCOURT AT 1510 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE IS OPPOSED. ELIZABETH RUMPLER AT 2405 NORTH CAROL AVENUE IS OPPOSED. AND LISA THOMPSON AT 1659 CREEKSIDE DRIVE IS OPPOSED. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM 6B? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

OKAY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6D. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH OR THE APPLICANT OR THE ENGINEER? AS A PROJECT ON THREE LOTS, IS AN HOA GOING TO BE REQUIRED? DO WE KNOW? YES, THEY HAVE A OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE AN HOA ESTABLISHED TO ENFORCE ANY MAINTENANCE THAT'S NECESSARY ON THAT OPEN SPACE.

GOOD QUESTION.

I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS ON THE FIRST.

I'LL JUST.

I MIGHT ADD THAT LOOP ROAD TOO.

MOST LIKELY.

YEAH, ON THE FIRST READING I VOTED TO APPROVE IT. THE THREE LOTS DOES LOOK BETTER THAN THE FOUR LOTS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE 51,000 SQUARE FEET EACH. THREE LOTS ON SEVEN ACRES. SEVEN PLUS ACRES. YOU KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT IS LOW DENSITY BY DEFINITION. SO I THINK THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID A GOOD JOB AS FAR AS COMING UP WITH SOME CHANGES ON THE DRIVEWAY OR THE ACCESS OFF OF CARROLL. I THINK THE CHANGES WE MADE TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS, COUNCILMEMBER FAWKS AND COUNCILMEMBER ROBBINS LAST TIME, THOSE SETBACKS, SIDE YARD SETBACKS IMPROVED IT.

SO I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS AGAIN ON SECOND READING FOR THE THREE LOTS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? YEAH, I KNOW IN THE FIRST READING I VOTED AGAINST IT. AND I GUESS ONE COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS EVEN WITH THE THREE LOTS WITH THE INNER SLIP, I THINK TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A CHALLENGE.

CURRENT STATE TRAFFIC WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL LOTS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A CHALLENGE BASED ON THE NATURE OF WHERE IT IS.

RIGHT ACROSS FROM JOHNSON ELEMENTARY, TWO LANES UNDIVIDED. SO I THINK WITH THREE LOTS, IT STILL WOULD BE A CHALLENGE. I THINK ONE BIG POINT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS SINCE IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM JOHNSON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THERE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE VOTE FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS HAVE SAFETY FIRST IN MIND. FEEL FREE, CHUCK. NO, NO, FIRST. I VOTED FOR THIS ON FIRST READING AND I DID MAKE THE COMMENT AT THAT POINT. I WASN'T GOING TO GUARANTEE YOU. SECOND READING. I'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THIS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. I'VE BEEN BACK OUT AND VISITED THE SITE AGAIN.

I'VE STUDIED OVER THE MAP AND THERE ARE ENOUGH ISSUES IN MY MIND WITH THE THREE LOCK CONFIGURATION THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. THE BIGGIES WOULD BE. I'VE SPOKEN UP HERE BEFORE ABOUT MY LACK OF SUPPORT FOR A PRIVATE ROADWAY.

ESSENTIALLY, WE FORCED THEM TO MAKE A PRIVATE ROADWAY WHICH NOW HAS TO BE MAINTAINED BY THREE HOUSES YOU CAN. THE

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SIZE SETBACKS. I'M STILL NOT HAPPY WITH THEM BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR LOW DENSITY SF1A WOULD CALL FOR. AND AS I LOOK AT DRIVING ON TO THAT FAR NORTHERN LOT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE USABLE SPACE THERE. I MEAN, HE'S BASICALLY GOT A QUARTER ACRE LOT FLOODPLAIN. AND I HAVE A DEGREE WITH THE NEIGHBOR, MR. QUINN, THAT I THINK I PREFER TO SEE. NOT A PUD, NOT A COMMON OPEN SPACE THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO USE, BUT EACH OF THESE LOTS JUST MADE ALL THE WAY DEEPER WHERE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH OF THAT. GET AWAY FROM THE HOA, HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS, PUT TWO NICE SIZED LOTS. I KNOW THEY CAN DO IT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE JUST APPROVED TWO LOTS ON SHADY OAKS ON A VERY SIMILAR SIZE PIECE OF PROPERTY, ACTUALLY A LITTLE LARGER. SO I KNOW THAT SOUTH LAKE WILL SUPPORT THAT LARGER LOT. THIS ONE? YEAH. IT'S A DIFFICULT PIECE. YES. IT'S INFILL. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO FIT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY.

FIND A REASONABLE USE, YES, BUT TO SQUEEZE IT IN. IF YOU GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT THAT THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT US, THE DRIVEWAYS BASICALLY ARE ALMOST TOUCHING EACH OTHER.

THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER CONCRETE.

THEY'RE NOT SET THAT FAR ENOUGH FROM THE ROAD TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. MAKING IT TWO LOTS FIXES ALL THAT.

YOU CAN MAKE IT TWO SF2A, SF2 LOTS. AND I BELIEVE THEY COULD COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES AND CALL IT A DAY. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THE THREE LOT CONFIGURATION AS IT'S PRESENTED. AND THAT INCLUDES THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT JUST SAVED ME A TON OF TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S WHY I LET YOU GO FIRST.

SO WHAT I SEE HERE, I SAID LAST TIME THAT I SUPPORT TWO LOTS.

WHAT I SEE HERE IS THE ATTEMPT TO SQUEEZE ORIGINALLY FOUR HOUSES ON A VERY THIN PIECE OF PROPERTY, VERY LONG, BUT FOUR AND THEN THREE AND AGAIN WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS THAT AREN'T CONSISTENT WITH, IN REALITY, WHAT THESE ARE, ARE ONE ACRE PLUS LOTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN OUR PUD SO WE CAN GET AROUND THE SETBACKS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR THE HOUSES SO WE SQUEEZE MORE ON THE FRONT.

TO ME, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP CHANGING THE, THE ACTUAL OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE MASTER LOT ITSELF TO ME TO BE A MUCH SMALLER LOT. AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER FAULK SAID, THAT NORTH LOT ONE REALLY IS QUITE SMALL. I WAS UP THERE AGAIN TODAY AS WELL AND IT ENDS ABRUPTLY. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A 0.2% FLOOD CLAIM THAT GOES RIGHT UP TO THE STREET THERE.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MOST CURRENT FEMA MAP FOR 2023, TWO LOTS FIT GREAT WITH DRIVEWAYS, NOT AN ISSUE.

DON'T NEED A SLIP ROAD, POOLS WILL FIT GREAT. THE WHOLE THING JUST WORKS A LOT BETTER.

AND THE SETBACKS SHOULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. SO I'M GOING TO BE AGAINST THIS ON THREE LOTS.

SO I'VE HAD IT FOR THIS LAST TIME. AND I STILL THINK THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY CAME WITH FOUR LOTS, THEY LISTENED TO EVERYTHING.

THEY GOT BACK TO THREE LOTS OF. WE CAN SIT HERE AND DEBATE WHETHER A ONE ACRE LOT'S A ONE ACRE LOT OR IT'S NOT A ONE ACRE LOT, BUT IT'S A ONE ACRE LOT. THE BUILDING ENVELOPE MAY NOT BE AN ACRE, BUT IT'S STILL AN ACRE LOT.

AND I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM LIMITING A LANDOWNER TO ONE ACRE IS NO LONGER GOOD ENOUGH IN SOUTH LAKE. I UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOUR FRUSTRATION. I THINK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR, NOT WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR, WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY LAND USED FOR.

WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT MIXED USE? CORRECT. SO IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL. CORRECT. COULD BE SOME KIND OF BUSINESS.

THE MIXED USE WOULD SUPPORT THAT. BUT GENERALLY, WHEN YOU CONSIDER MIXED USE AND ZONING WITHIN THAT LAND USE CATEGORY, YOU LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE ZONING THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR, GIVEN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED IN PROXIMITY TO IT.

SO THERE'D BE A FACTUAL STATEMENT, THOUGH THERE IS COMMERCIAL.

ONE TRACK SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT A PLACE OF WORSHIP AND THEN SOME OFFICE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, SOUTH. BUT AS YOU MOVE NORTH, YOU GOT OPEN SPACE AND RESIDENTIAL.

IT WOULD BE A FACTUAL STATEMENT TO SAY THAT THIS IS A MARKEDLY LESS USE OF THE LAND AS FAR AS INTENSE.

A LESS INTENSE USE OF THE LAND

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THAN ANYTHING COMMERCIAL WOULD BE CONSIDERED ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT LESSENS TRAFFIC, MAKES IT THE MOST APPROACHABLE AND THE MOST DESIRABLE OPTION ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL FROM A TRAFFIC AND FROM A CHILD SAFETY STANDPOINT VERSUS THE OTHER USES THAT IT'S CURRENTLY LAND PLANNED FOR. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN TONIGHT. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK? DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO TALK? I MEAN, DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME UP AND YOU WANT TO CONSIDER TABLING AND COMING BACK WITH A. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE NOT GUARANTEEING ANYTHING. MAYBE SUPPORT FOR A TWO LOT PROJECT IF YOU WANT AT THE TABLE.

AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T MEET IN JULY, SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT AUGUST, BUT GO AHEAD.

WELL, I GOTTA ADMIT, I'M ASTONISHED. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MIXED USE ON YOUR LAND USE PLAN. WE WERE FOLLOWING THE LAND USE PLAN WITH OUR ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL, NON RESIDENTIAL PLAN. WE PULLED THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD THEN WAS COME BACK WITH ONE ACRE LOTS AND WE'LL SUPPORT THAT. SO WE CAME BACK WITH ONE ACRE LOTS. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A TALK ABOUT A SLIPPERY SLOPE HERE.

EVERY TIME WE BRING SOMETHING, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE WANTS MORE.

SOMEONE WANTS THE LANDOWNER TO GIVE MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

THIS IS LOW DENSITY. NEIGHBOR SAYS THAT THIS SHOULD BE LOW DENSITY. IT IS LOW DENSITY BY EVERY MEASURE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE SLIP ROAD TO ADDRESS ANY AND ALL OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT THESE LOTS TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK AND NOT HAVE THE OPEN SPACE, FINE, LET'S DO IT. I THOUGHT THAT HAVING OPEN SPACE BACK THERE MIGHT HAVE SOME OPTIONS BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS SOME PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.

BUT IF WE WANT THOSE ALL IN THE LOTS, FINE. BUT I THINK WE'RE PENALIZING SOMEONE HERE BY NITPICKING ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS, TRAFFIC BETWEEN TWO AND THREE LOTS. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SO LITTLE THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN, WON'T EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

I MEAN, UNLESS, I MEAN, I GUESS WE GOT FOUR VOTES AGAINST IT. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO JUST TABLE AND SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TALK TO SOME OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND TRY AND FIND OUT A COMPROMISE HERE.

CURTIS, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE. AND I WANT YOU TO, I HOPE THAT YOU PAID ATTENTION TO THE POINTS I BROUGHT UP.

I DID.

BECAUSE THE POINTS YOU JUST BROUGHT UP ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ISSUES I SAID I HAVE.

I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT DENSITY. I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE. I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. I TALKED ABOUT OTHER ISSUES THAT EXIST WITH THIS PROPOSAL. NOW MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN SEEING THIS PASS AS A 2 ACRE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY TONIGHT? I MEAN, A 2 LOT DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY TONIGHT? WELL, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT IT. I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, I'LL TALK ABOUT WITH YOUR. I WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH THE LANDOWNER. SO.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE. DIRECTOR TILO, IS THAT SOMETHING, IF WE WANTED TO ON THE FLY PAST THIS WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ZONING LIKE AN SF2 AND PROVEN TWO LOTS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THIS EVENING TO SAVE THEM FROM WAITING TILL AUGUST, YES, IF IT'S LESS INTENSE AND IN SOME MEANS EITHER THE SAME OR MORE RESTRICTIVE IN ITS CHARACTERISTICS IN THE CURRENT ZONING PLAN.

THAT'S BEFORE YOU. THEN, YES, YOU, YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT AN ON THE FLY CHANGE AND ADDRESS THROUGH CONDITIONS THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE ON YOUR MOTION.

SO BEING SENSITIVE TO THE FACT WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL AUGUST, I PUT THAT ON THE TABLE AND FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT OR DISCUSS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, ASK TONIGHT. PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

SO THERE'S THAT OPTION OR TABLING TO AUGUST OR. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN WHAT THE VOTE MAY BE FOR AGAIN. SO DO YOU NEED A MINUTE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL OR TALK TO SOMEBODY? BECAUSE WE CAN GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS A LARGE ENOUGH CHANGE THAT MAKING A HASTY DECISION HERE WOULD BE MORE RADICAL THAN WAITING TO AUGUST 4. SO I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT TILL AUGUST 4 TO HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY

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UNDERSTAND WHAT MY CLIENT WANTS TO DO ON THIS AND PROCEED FROM THERE. OKAY. SO I WILL PASS THE WEEK TABLE AUGUST 4TH.

OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT WE'LL TAKE A MOTION TO TABLE PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO AUGUST 4TH ON 6D.

YES, MR. MAYO. MOTION WE TABLE ITEM 60, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480, 847 CA 260027.

SECOND READING. ZONING CHANGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1360 NORTH CAROL AVENUE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACK 4A. AH.

CHIVERS.

SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 299.

LOCATED AT 1360 NORTH CAROL AVENUE.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON TABLING 6D.

MAYOR, CAN WE JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE'RE TAILING THAT TO AUGUST 4TH? YEP. AS WE NOTED, AUGUST 4TH, 2026. AND THERE'S THE VOTES.

THAT MOTION CARRIES 70.

[6.E. ZA26-0040, Revised Concept Plan for Bridlegate on property described as Lot 2R, R. D. Price No. 992 Addition and located at 4000 N. White Chapel Blvd. Current Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #1. PUBLIC HEARING ]

ITEM 6B IS TABLED TO OUR AUGUST 4TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. NEXT WE'LL GO TO ITEM 6E, CASE NUMBER ZA26 0040.

REVISED CONCEPT PLAN ON BRIDAL DATE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 2RD, PRICE NUMBER 992 EDITION.

LOCATED AT 4000 NORTH WHITECHAPEL. DIRECTOR KILLO.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY PLATTED AS A SINGLE LOT AND ZONED SF1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

CURRENT ZONING, AS I MENTIONED, IS SF1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. IT HAS AN EXISTING HOME ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IF THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLANS APPROVED, WOULD BE REMOVED AS PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION AND THIS IS PHOTO FROM WES BOB JONES AT THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AND APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF PROPOSED STREET ENTRANCE AND AS PART OF THE CONCEPT PLANKTON'S PROPOSING AN INDIVIDUAL DRIVE EXTENDING FROM LOT 6 THAT'S PROPOSED FACING WEST. BOB JONES THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED. THIS IS THE EXISTING CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ZONING CHANGE THAT TOOK PLACE ON THE PROPERTY. THE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT DIRECTLY ABUTS WEST BOB JONES AND WAS REPLATTED AND INCORPORATED INTO WHAT WAS PLATTED LOT 2 ALSO ZONED SF1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE PROPOSED REVISED CONCEPT PLAN.

THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED. THE APPKIN IS REQUESTING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH THE PRIVATE STREET UNDER VARIANCE APPROVAL AS PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AND AS ADDRESSED IN THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. ALSO GIVEN THE FACT THAT LOT 6 DOES HAVE ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER RESTRICTION OF ACCESS POINTS ONTO COLLECTORS COLLECTOR DESIGNATED STREETS.

WE HAVE NOTATED THAT WE WOULD PREFER THE LOT TO ACCESS THE BOW STREET AND SO COMMENT IS IN OUR REVIEW SUMMARY AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR VARIANCE FROM THAT REGULATION. THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE DATA SUMMARY.

EIGHT LOTS ARE BEING PROPOSED.

ALL LOTS AVERAGE JUST OVER ONE ACRE IN SIZE. THE GROSS LAND AREAS 9.56 ACRES THAT RESULTS IN A GROSS DENSITY OF 0.84 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND THE NETTING OUT OF THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY BE IT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE THAT NETS OUT TO NET DENSITY OF 0.92 FLOWING UNITS PER ACRE ACRE AS MENTIONED, APPLICANTS REQUEST VARIANCE FROM REGULATION OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL STREETS BE DEVELOPED AS PUBLIC STREETS AND IF DESIRED TO GO PRIVATE GO THROUGH A CONVERSION PROCESS AND THEY'RE ALSO ASKING RELIEF OF THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE THAT DOES ALLOW RESTRICTION

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OF DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS UNLESS THERE IS NO OTHER ACCESS AVAILABLE TO THE LOT. THIS IS THE OVERALL DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT UTILITY PLAN TREE CONSERVATION PLAN THIS IS A STANDARD ZONING AND AS REDEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPOSED GIVEN THE EXISTING TREE COVER, 70% OF THAT EXISTING TREE COVER IS REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED AND THEY ARE SHOWING AT LEAST 75% OF THAT ULTIMATELY BE PRESERVED. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 50 AT THEIR MAY 21 MEETING AND NOTED THAT THEY WERE NOT APPROVING THE REQUESTED VARIANCES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DRIVE ONTO THE COLLECTOR NOR THE PRIVATE STREET THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NOTICES WITHIN THE WELL, I'M SHOWING ONE NOTICE IN FAVOR WITHIN 300FT AND ONE RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR BUT DID NOT IDENTIFY AN ADDRESS. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AFCA ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH WITH COUNCIL AS WELL.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR TILLO.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE ZONING SF1A1 ACRE. SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIVATE STREET GATE ACCESS AND THE LOT SIX FRONTING BOB JONES ROAD.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILO? DIRECTOR KILO JUST WANTED TO RECONFIRM THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.

IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THAT WAS PRESENTED AT PMD.

SO THOSE TWO VARIANCES AND THEY BASICALLY APPROVED IT CONDITIONALLY THAT WE DON'T INCLUDE THOSE VARIANCES.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S REPORT TO THE COUNCIL WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN AS PROPOSED BUT NOT GRANT APPROVAL TO THE REQUESTED VARIANCES.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT SAME REQUEST TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY HAVE THE COUNCIL'S INPUT ON THAT REQUEST.

GOT IT. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS? ALL RIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU'LL COME ON DOWN. YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YES, MY NAME IS FRANK VIOLA. I LIVE ON 192 SAM BASS RIDGE ROAD IN SOUTH LAKE.

WELL, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU GUYS THANKS FOR MEETING ME ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS AND DISCUSSING THIS.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR SUBDIVISION IS BRIDAL GATE. AND HERE'S A LOCATION MAP SHOWING WHAT WERE THE SUBDIVISIONS AROUND. SOME OF THE NICE THINGS IN THE AREA LIKE THE EQUESTRIAN CIRCLE.

SO BRIDAL GATE WAS SO FITTING FOR THE NAME. HERE'S THE FRONT ENTRY OF OUR SUBDIVISION THAT MIRRORS SADDLEBACK, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD. SO IT WILL BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ROW FROM THEM. HERE IS A SUGGESTED IDEA FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SAID THAT GATED, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE A GATED COMMUNITY, THAT MAYBE A GUARD SHACK WITH AN ARM BAR, MAYBE WITH A MANNED GUARD SHACK. AND THIS ONE IS ONE WITH THE GATE WITH A GUARD SHACK. AND THAT ONE COULD BE MANNED OR NOT MANNED. WE WANTED TO KEEP THE SUBDIVISION REALLY OPEN IN THE CORRIDORS AND HAVING LIKE NO WALLS EXCEPT FOR THE DECORATIVE WALLS FROM WHEN YOU ENTER THE SUBDIVISION.

SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO DO ALL RYAN ALL AROUND THE SUBDIVISION AND KEEP THAT OPEN CORRIDOR FEEL. WE HAVE TWO OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE FRONT FACING, INCLUDING LOT 6. THESE ARE THE SAME KIND

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OF THE SAME FEEL FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S THERE THAT EVERYBODY'S USED TO DRIVING DOWN WHITECHAPEL.

SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT SAME SIMILARITY BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE MORE GORGEOUS CORRIDORS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BOB JONES PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO FRONT FACING ESTATE FEELING LOTS.

HERE'S SOME OF THE JUST RENDERINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING SOME REALLY CUSTOM HOMES THAT ARE SUPER LUXURIOUS AND REALLY FITTING FOR THAT SUBDIVISION. HERE'S THE SUBDIVISION. YOU CAN SEE THE TWO FRONT LOTS, 7 AND 8 AND THEN 6 BEING A. VERY OBVIOUSLY EVERY LOT IN HERE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE DESIRABLE. SO ON THE VARIANCE ON LOT 6, THE REASON WHY WE WERE TRYING TO GET THAT TO WORK IS THE TOPO ELEVATION AND LET ME RUN TO THIS ELEVATION HERE. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT LOT SITS ON THIS TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY.

AND IF YOU SEE ON THE LEVEL OF 613 WOULD BE THE LEVEL OF THAT LOT WHERE IT WOULD BE GRADED AND IT ACTUALLY RUNS DOWN REALLY FAST. IF YOU SEE TOWARDS THE, IN THE 600 AND THAT'S WHERE THAT HOUSE WILL ACTUALLY LAND IF WE HAVE TO TURN IT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 13 FOOT RETAINER WALL WHICH WOULD BE JUST ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WALK TO YOUR FRONT DOOR BECAUSE AT THE POINT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO RETAINER A WALL THERE. AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

LET ME GO TO THE.

DID I LOSE IT HERE? SO LOT SIX VARIANTS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

THIS IS A GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT THIS HOUSE WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO YOU'LL HAVE FRONTAGE ACCESS AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE POOL TO THE BACK AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SLOPE DOWN AND BUILD RETAINER WALLS TO WHERE IT'S MORE DESIRABLE TO WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY FACING THE POND. YOU KNOW, EVERY LOT IN HERE WE WANT IT TO BE DESIRABLE AND WE DON'T WANT AN ODD OUT LOT BECAUSE OF IT NOT FITTING TO A, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY ODD LOT THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, ZONING HAD SUGGESTED LIKE A BASEMENT GARAGE RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN THROUGH THE THING OR IF YOU HAD TO MAKE A U TURN AFTER YOU GO INTO THE SUBDIVISION AND ACTUALLY MAKING A U TURN TO GET TO THE, TO YOUR GARAGE OR THE FRONT OF YOUR HOME. SO WE DON'T WANT A STAGNANT LOT TO BE ON THE SUBDIVISION. WE WANT ALL OF THEM TO BE PROSPEROUS.

SO.

AND THE OTHER VARIANCE IS A PRIVATE STREET WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING TO GATE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO LOT 6, THE FRONTAGE ONTO BOB JONES ROAD, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY. IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T WORK TURNING THAT HOUSE TO FACE THE NEW STREET. I GUESS BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY, YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE ENTRANCE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH, AND THEN WE ALSO LOSE THE ENTRY. THAT ENTRANCE.

LOOK, WE'RE TRYING TO MIRROR SADDLEBACK AND TO GET THE TYPE OF CUSTOM HOMES THAT WE WANT TO BUILD IN HERE AND TO GRAB THE VALUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO.

OUR GOALS ARE IN MAKING THIS A VERY HIGHER END NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ALL FITTED FOR. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO ON GOOGLE MAPS, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IN FROM ROANOKE OR ANY ON THAT COMING IN FROM THE WEST ON 114, IT IMMEDIATELY TAKES YOU TO GET TO BOB JONES PARK,

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WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF OUTSIDE CITY TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S HOW IT TAKES YOU. IS EAST BOB JONES ACROSS THAT STREET AND FROM TWKING. SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN TW KING FROM 114 AND THEN YOU GO TO EAST BOB JONES. SO THERE'S 10 PROPERTIES ON EAST BOB JONES, NINE OF THEM GATED, SOME ARE INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND OBVIOUSLY ONE IS GATED FROM SADDLEBACK AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE OPEN FEEL. WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THE POND REALLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD SO IT STILL FEELS INVITING. BUT IN THAT SUBDIVISION YOU HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PONDS. AND SO TO GET THE VALUE TO MAINTAIN THAT PRIVATE ROAD, IT'S GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE OF THAT ENTRY AND THE PONDS AND THE DESIRABLE LOTS. AND SO IF WE CAN GET BOTH VARIANCES, THE STREET WILL EASILY BE MAINTAINED FINANCIALLY BY THE HOA AND CONSTRUCTED THE WAY THAT THE CITY CONSTRUCTS THEIR STREETS. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE THIS AS SOUND STREET AS YOU WOULD IN YOUR OWN. AS WE WOULD IN THEIR OWN CITY.

IS THAT POND IN THE MIDDLE BY THE CUL DE SAC, IS THAT ALREADY THERE? NO, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE HUT.

THE.

THERE'S A VERY LIKE 20 BY 20 TANK THERE FOR THE HORSES.

SO THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE ENLARGED. AND IF YOU LOOK INTO THERE'S A FLUME THAT RUNS INTO THAT OTHER SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S A FLUME THAT RUNS INTO THAT OTHER CUL DE SAC ON THE RAINY COURSE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT POND WILL GO. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME RIFF RAFF THERE.

SO IT'S A DETENTION RETENTION POND AND SO IT WILL ACTUALLY ACT INTO THAT FLUME. AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE IS MAKING THAT POND REALLY GRAND AND LIKE BEAUTIFUL AND GETTING THAT IT MAY BE.

IT MAY BE FLOURISHED WITH FISH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WILL BE THE HOA'S CHOICES TO EITHER TO MAKE IT.

YOU KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FISHING POND.

THAT'S WHY THAT LOT 6 HOUSE CAN'T BE MOVED OVER TO WHERE THAT WATER IS. THAT POND IS GOING TO BE. OR ALREADY IS, I GUESS.

YEAH. SO THERE'S A NATURAL.

THERE'S A NATURAL POND THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND THE CIVIL HAS TO HAVE IT THERE. SO YOU CANNOT PUT THE HOUSE DOWN THERE BECAUSE THAT IS AT THE LOWEST POINT OF THAT PROPERTY. IT ACTUALLY EVEN GOES DOWN TO 500 AND I THINK IT'S LIKE 590 SOMETHING.

SO IT GOES LIKE ALMOST 20FT FROM THE TOP OF THE ROAD. SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT LOT IS JUST.

IT'S SUPER STEEP. THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.

YEAH, THE FIRST OFF ON YOUR CONCEPTUAL HOUSE THAT YOU HAD ON YOUR AERIAL VIEW A MINUTE AGO.

DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL IT UP REAL FAST? SURE.

JUST THE HECK OF IT.

THE AERIAL VIEW.

THIS ONE? NOPE, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. THE ONE. THE OVERALL.

OH, THE OVERALL.

GOT IT. THERE WE GO.

AND THIS WILL HELP FOR WHAT I'M ASKING AS WELL.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S REALLY AWESOME. I IMAGINE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO THERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO FRONTAGE.

I MEAN, MY CHAPEL. SO I THOUGHT.

PRETTY BIG HOLLYVILLE.

AM I RECALLING INCORRECTLY THAT YOU INITIALLY HAD FOUR RETENTION PONDS ON HERE? SO WE DO.

WE HAVE THE TWO THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE WHITECHAPEL.

AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE MAIN ONE AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE OFF AT EAST BOB JONES. THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY FIX FOR THE CITY IN THE BAR DITCH OFF OF EAST BOB JONES. WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF BACKUP INTO MY NEIGHBOR DAN'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. AND HE'S BEEN GETTING A LOT OF ISSUES AND THE CITY COMES OUT AND THEY MOW IT FOR HIM EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB OF CLEARING IT OUT.

SO WHAT I'M GOING

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TO DO IS I'M GOING TO TAKE THE MANHOLE THAT'S THERE. THAT'S CREATING THE ISSUE BECAUSE HOWEVER IT WAS SET, IT WASN'T SET PROPERLY FOR THE RIGHT DRAINAGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE TOP OFF OF THE. OFF OF THE MANHOLE AND WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A GRATE TO ACTUALLY LOWER IT SO IT ACTUALLY DOES ITS JOB BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT DOING ITS JOB. SO THAT RETENTION POND WILL ACTUALLY HELP THAT ISSUE. AND ALSO WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT BAR DITCH AREA SO YOU'LL ACTUALLY HELP IMPROVE DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA AND POTENTIALLY RETAIN MOST, IF NOT ALL, THE DRAINAGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING HERE ON SITE.

IT WILL BE ON SITE.

YEAH. SO THE ONE CONCERN, SLASH JUST, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE HANDLED IN YOUR SITE PLAN, IS LOOKING AT YOUR DRAINAGE ELEVATION THAT YOU HAD. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED FOR YOU. AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'LL HANDLE THIS WITH YOUR CIVIL ENGINEERS LATER, BUT THAT THE DRAINAGE THAT YOU HAVE IS GOING TO BE FLOWING EAST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE DIRECTING THAT INTO THE TWO RETENTION PONDS IN FRONT OF THE TWO LARGE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON LOT 7 AND 8. SO OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING YOU WILL PROBABLY HANDLE THIS IN SITE PLAN, BUT I WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT WATER IS GOING TO GET THERE.

RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE THAT ACTUALLY DIRECT THE WATER AROUND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

STRUCTURE.

RIGHT AROUND THE STRUCTURE ON 07, 8. THE STRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. HOW DO YOU GET THE WATER AROUND IT? ANYWAY, JUST A SUGGESTION ON THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS AS FAR AS YOUR GATED AREA, THREE OF THE HOUSES AREN'T GOING TO BE GATED ALREADY.

SO YOU'RE REALLY ONLY ASKING TO GATE FIVE HOUSES.

YES, FIVE HOUSES.

BUT LOT SIX IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MAINTAINED THAT HOA FEE.

BUT IT MEANS AS FAR AS GATING WISE.

YES.

FOR GATED WISE, IT'LL BE FIVE, RIGHT? OKAY.

YES, SIR.

AND I THINK THAT SIX WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT FOR PRIVACY, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR SIDE AND BACK OF THEIR HOME. SO I THINK THEY WILL BENEFIT FROM IT IN SOME WAY FOR SURE, BUT JUST NOT IN THE FRONTAGE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WANTING TO GIVE THEM ACCESS AND THE ABILITY TO DO THAT TOO. FIRST OF ALL, GREAT JOB ON THESE RENDERINGS.

IT JUST BRINGS IT TO LIFE AND IT'S SO, SO HELPFUL TO SEE HOW THESE, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. SO GOOD JOB ON THAT.

I THINK ME PERSONALLY, THE VARIANCE AS IT RELATES TO THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY, IT'S BEYOND 200FT, MINIMUM IS SUPPOSED TO BE 150.

SO I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HEARTBURN OVER THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE GRADE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH BECAUSE EVEN IF THE HOUSE IS FACING WEST, YOU'RE DOING A HARD. WHAT WOULD THEN BE A LEFT TO GET INTO THAT DRIVEWAY FOR THAT HOUSE? SO I LIKE THE ORIENTATION OF IT THAT WAY.

AND THEN FROM A GUARD SHACK STANDPOINT, I THINK IF YOU HAVE IT MANNED, IT INCREASES THE NEED FOR STACKING DEPTH BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO SLOWER IN MY OPINION. NOT A SCIENTIFIC OPINION, JUST AN OPINION. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE NO GUARD AND NOT JUST A SINGLE BAR. I THINK WITH A SINGLE BAR YOU NEED A GUARD. WITHOUT A GUARD YOU NEED MORE GAIT. IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD OF PRIVATIZING THE STREET, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

AND THEN LASTLY, AND MAYBE PIGGYBACKING ON THAT DRAINAGE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT D1 AND THE DETENTION IS DUE SOUTH OF IT, THE GRADE DROPS OFF CONSIDERABLY JUST EAST.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU'RE COLLECTING THAT BEFORE IT GOES INTO ALL THESE HOMES.

JUST EAST IT RIGHT INTO RAMI QUARTZ.

YEAH. RIGHT, YEAH. SO HOW DOES IT COLLECT AND THEN GET TO THIS DETENTION JUST SOUTH? BECAUSE IT'S DROPPING FAST.

RIGHT? IT'S DROPPING REALLY FAST. THE IDEA ON THE PROPERTY LINE IS TO ACTUALLY BUILD A SWELL AND TO GET IT INTO THE POND. AND THAT'S WHY WE MADE IT.

ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE CIVIL ABOUT IT.

SUCH A GREAT POINT.

AND THAT'S WHY THAT POND ACTUALLY EXTENDS LIKE REALLY FAR TOWARDS THE HOUSE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ORIENTATING THE HOUSE ON EASTBOB JONES RIGHT TO LEFT. BECAUSE IF YOU TURN THE HOUSE THEN THAT POND, YOU START GETTING CLOSER TO THAT POND BECAUSE NOW YOUR WIDTH OF YOUR HOME IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN TOWARDS THE POND. AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO FIT THAT. MAKING THAT LOT DESIRABLE IS BECAUSE. AND DRAINAGE PURPOSES, THAT'S HOW WE HAD TO EXTEND THE POND AS HIGH AS WE COULD TO THAT 600 MARK. AS WE WERE SHOWING. AS WE. I WAS SHOWING YOU HERE, THAT 600 MARK IS REALLY CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.

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HERE IT IS. SO YOU'RE AT. SO WE HAVE TO GET. WE GOT TO GET THAT POND TO HIT THAT 600 MARK BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT STARTS RAPIDLY GOING DOWN.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF WATER GOING TO THE RIGHT? BUT IT'S RIPPING OFF THE STREET AND COMING SOUTH TO RIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOWER POINT.

IT'S GOING DOWN.

SO I'M CURIOUS IF THE POND ON THAT SOUTH SIDE NEEDS TO BE LARGER LENGTHWISE GOING NORTH OR IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT IS THE COLLECTOR. IT CAN'T BE JUST LIKE A BARDISH.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RACING OFF THIS ROAD COMING DOWN.

WHAT'S THE COLLECTOR THAT GETS IT INTO THIS POND? SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING STORM DRAINS IN THAT. IN THAT CUL DE SAC.

AND SO THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DROPPED DRAMATICALLY TO GET THE STREET TO. NOT IN THE CUL DE SAC ON BOB JONES ROAD.

I WAS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

OH, SORRY.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS NORTHEAST CORNER. OH YOU'RE OKAY, SORRY. YOU'RE NORTHEAST. YEAH.

SO SEPARATE. GO BACK TO THAT ARIEL. SO SEE HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LEFT SIDE.

YES.

LEFT SIDE RETAINING WALL IS AND IT'S DROPPING FAST AND IT'S RACING TOWARDS THE EAST TOWARDS THESE HOMES. AND SO WHAT'S CAPTURING THAT TO GET IT TO THAT POND THAT WE ALSO SEE IN THE BACKGROUND.

SO LET ME LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHIC HERE.

SO 13.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING FROM RIGHT WHERE THAT POND IS GOING TO HIT WHERE THAT, YOU SEE THAT LINEAR LINE OF AND THEN IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S AT ON THE LEVEL OF THE STREET. SO IT'S ONLY A THREE FOOT DROP RIGHT THERE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. I HAVE MY CIVIL HERE TO TALK. SO HE IS, HE IS HERE. YOU CAN GIVE SOME FEEDBACK INTO THAT OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF REGULATION ABOUT HOW THAT'S DIVERTED? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THESE HOMES ARE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS TREVOR TRUSS. 8241 MID CITIES BOULEVARD, NORTH TEXAS 76180. I'M SORRY, 76182. LET ME GO TO OUR DRAINAGE AREA MAPS AND WE CAN KIND OF GO.

OKAY, YOU ARE WONDERING ABOUT AREA D1, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

JUST COMING AROUND THAT RETENTION WALL FROM BOB JONES ROAD. OKAY, THIS, THIS MAP WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOUR EXISTING PRE DEVELOPED DRAINAGE AREA MAP.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT D1 WE REALLY REFERENCED THE PLANS FOR RAINY PORT WHEN WE WERE PRODUCING THESE MAPS. SO YOU KNOW WE LOOK AND BUILD OUR DRAINAGE AREA MAPS AND THEN WE KIND OF REFERENCE WHAT WAS DESIGNED WHEN RAINY COURT WAS PUT IN AND HOW RAINEY COURT WAS DESIGNED TO TAKE THIS OFF SITE WATER THROUGH THEM.

SO THAT RAINY COURT WHEN IT'S BEING DEVELOPED, IT'S THINKING OF THE CONTEXT OF THE WAY THE LAND IS TO THE WEST OF IT TODAY AND WHAT THE COVERAGE OF THE HOME THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT ON RAINY CORD.

AND THEN TRAPPING THAT WATER.

BUT MY CONCERN IS THESE RAINY HOMES ARE BUILT AND THEN ALL THAT WATER RUSHING OFF OF D1 IS GOING TO FLOOD THOSE HOMES BECAUSE IT'S NOT CAPTURED IN DETENTION FIRST.

MY POINT IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SOLUTION THAT CAPTURES IT WHERE AT THE BASE OF THAT REFLECTION PAINTING WALL TO GET IT TO THAT DETENTION POND.

THAT'S. WELL THOSE, THOSE HOMES ON, ON RAINY COURT TO OUR EAST, YOU KNOW THEY, THEY WERE DESIGNED AND PLANNED FOR THIS OFFSET WATER, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF YOU CAN GO TO. I UNDERSTAND WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. SO IF YOU CAN RUN OVER TO THAT AERIAL AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO SEE THE AREA VIEW THAT COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS HAD RESPONDED TO RIGHT HERE. SO LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE EXISTING DRAINAGE THAT'S THERE NOW NATURALLY FLOWS TOWARDS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S JUST EAST.

AND SO THAT PART REALLY, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU NEED TO HAVE TO DO BECAUSE THERE'S

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ALREADY EXISTING DRAINAGE THAT'S GOING THAT DIRECTION.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU PUT THAT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE UP HIGH IN THE ROOF LINE, IF YOU HAVE WATER THAT'S COMING OVER THAT WALL, THAT RETENTION WALL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING TO WATER THAT COMES DOWN THAT SIDE. SO A SUGGESTION WOULD BE, CAN YOU DIRECT. YOU GET A STORM DRAIN IN THAT DRIVEWAY AND THEN RUNOFF FROM THE ROOF, CAN YOU BRING THAT DOWN AND DIRECT IT INTO THAT RECEPTION RETENTION POND? DOES THAT HELP? OH, DEFINITELY, YEAH.

BASICALLY SOME SORT OF COLLECTOR AT THE CORNER OF THAT RETENTION WALL SEEMS APPROPRIATE. THEN FUNNELS IT INTO THAT RETENTION.

THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT ADDING.

ADDING WATER.

I MEAN THERE'S A 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE THAT WE HAVE TO STUDY. SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT. ABOUT 20 FOOT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A 40.

CAN WE BUILD SOMETHING WITHIN THAT 20 FOOT? RIGHT.

OR YOU BUILD FROM THE RETENTION WALL TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

YEAH, I MEAN, WE JUST SAW SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS RECENTLY. IT'S JUST REALLY A MATTER OF IF YOU CAN DIRECT ALL THE WATER OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY AS AN EXAMPLE, AND FROM THE ROOF STRUCTURE AWAY AND DOWN INTO THE RETENTION POND, YOU'RE ACTUALLY LESSENING THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD FLOW INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST ON THAT SIDE.

YES.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IN THE SECOND READING COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION TO THAT.

SURE.

THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY.

WHILE WE HAVE THE CIVIL ENGINEER, A REAL QUICK QUESTION IS ONE, UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE PLANT COMING OUT OF THE CUL DE SAC AND GOING TO THE TWO DETENTION PONDS, IS THAT GOING TO BE SEARCHES DRAINAGE, WHERE YOU GO PUT IN SWALES AND AN EASEMENT, OR ARE YOU GOING SUBTERRANEAN WITH A STORM SEWER PIPE? EITHER OR ALL THE ABOVE. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOUR DRAINAGE PLAN, THE ARROWS CLEARLY SHOW IT FLOWING TOWARDS THOSE TWO HOUSES AND INTO THOSE PONDS, RIGHT? YES. SO HOW'S IT GOING TO GET THERE? I GUESS THAT'S THE EASY QUESTION. THERE WE GO.

HOW'S IT GOING TO GET THERE? IS IT GOING TO BE AN. AN EASEMENT OR IS IT GOING TO BE. OR ARE YOU GOING TO CONSTRUCT A STORM SEWER THAT WILL CARRY IT? BEING YOU'RE TAKING WATER FROM LOTS RIGHT HERE. THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY SOME KIND OF EASEMENT AND YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON. WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY DESIGN ON THE FLOWS.

YOU PUT PROBABLY SOME SORT OF SURFACE TYPE DRAINAGE WOULD BE MY. MY FIRST GUESS. SO YOU WOULD INDICATE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT FLOWING TO THE SOUTHEAST AND THEN TO THE EAST. IS THAT WHAT I'M.

A SURFACE DRAINAGE EASEMENT WHERE YOU PUT A SWALE IN AND IS THAT THE PLAN OR IS THERE NO PLAN? ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT IN BETWEEN LOT 7 AND 8? NO, I THINK I ASKING ABOUT IN BETWEEN LOTS 4 AND 5 AND THEN GOING INTO LOT 7. REALLY GOING INTO LOT 8. OKAY, SO ONE RIGHT HERE. SEE 4, 5. RIGHT. WE'RE SHOWING, I MEAN, WE'RE SHOWING A INLET WITH PIPE RUNNING BETWEEN LOTS 4 AND 5 AND A PROPOSED DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AND THEN INSIDE THAT EASEMENT, THAT EASEMENT WOULD GO SOUTH ALONG THE, I GUESS THE OUTSIDE OF LOT 8. AND THEN THE PIPE WOULD TURN INTO THE ATTENTION BOWL. SAY IT'S A PIPE. YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, GUYS. STICK AROUND. ITEM 6E REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6E. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING 6E? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 6E AND THE ISSUES ON. I GUESS THERE'S THREE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER IN AND AROUND LOT SIX AND LOT SIX FRONTING BOB JONES AND THEN THE GATE VERSUS NO GATE.

MR. FAWKS, EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS LOOKS REALLY NICE. I WON'T SUPPORT THE GATE AND THE PRIVATE STREET PHILOSOPHICALLY.

I'D LIKE TO SEE GET AWAY FROM THAT. I VOICE MY REASONS FOR THAT. I CAN SUPPORT THE DRIVEWAY VARIANTS THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED. AFTER LOOKING AT IT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET A DRIVEWAY UP THERE.

IT'S GOT A VERY SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE. SO I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT THE 13 FOOT WALL. BUT RAINEY DOESN'T HAVE A GATE.

SADDLEBROOKS. AT LEAST THERE'S WIDE OPEN. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT AREA OR WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE PART OF IT, MOST OF IT IS OPEN AND THEN THERE'S A SECTION HAS A GATE TO GO UP A HILL TO WYNDHAM HILL. SO THE GATE VERSUS NO

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GATE.

I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU UP THERE.

I'M NOT SURE IT NEEDS IT.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FAIR COMPROMISE TO GET RID OF THE GATE TO GIVE THE ACCESS FOR LOT SIX ONTO BOBJEN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. I LIKE THE. I THINK THE ENTRY OFF OF BOB JONES FOR LOT 6 IS GREAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GATE HIS COMMUNITY.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THE DRIVEWAY OFF LOT 6 AS WELL. I DROVE OUT THERE TODAY AND LOOKED AT IT. I COULD DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH THAT. I'M NOT A FAN OF THE GATE MYSELF AND JUST FRANKLY, I FEEL THAT THE. THEY'RE NOT REALLY PREPARED ON REALLY ANSWERING SOME OF THE DRAINAGE STUFF. SO I'M OKAY WITH APPROVING IT TO GO TO THE SECOND READING, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER DETAIL ON HOW THAT WATER'S GOING TO LOOK.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ADVISE COUNCIL. THIS DOES NOT HAVE A SECOND READING.

THIS IS A REVISED CONCEPT PLAN AND THE ZONING IS IN PLACE.

SO IF THERE'S ANY CONDITIONS.

IF YOU WANT THE PATH PASS THIS FORWARD THIS EVENING. ANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, I RECOMMEND YOU PUT THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE.

SITE PLAN.

NO SITE PLAN. BUT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD INCLUDE A MORE DETAILED DRAINAGE PLAN AND STUDY. AND THOSE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU HAD COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THOSE PLANS WHEN SUBMITTED WITH THE PLUMBER.

PLATILLO, IF YOU COULD MAYBE RESTATE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE FOR AIR PRO 10 ROBINS TO HANDLE THAT ON A PLAT NEXT TIME WE WOULD SEE IT.

GO AHEAD.

ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE OF LOT 6 AND HOW THAT WOULD BE HANDLED.

AND GETTING TO THE DETENTION STRUCTURE WITH THE SUBSEQUENTLY SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY PLAT, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YEP, LOT SIX IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND HOW THAT DRAINAGE IS HANDLED.

DRIVEWAY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCE THERE. AND THE GATE, I'M KIND OF INDIFFERENT TO. IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY ARE AGAINST IT AND I'M FINE WITH BY THAT AS WELL.

GET ALL THAT MERE PRO TEM.

YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER FAULKNER, THAT COUNCILMAN FAWKS WAS ASKING ABOUT WAS IF THEY MAINTAIN THIS TYPE OF ENTRY OR THE MEDIAN PIECE HAS TO BECOME BASICALLY PUBLIC PROPERTY UNLESS THEY MAINTAIN THAT. BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED PRIVATE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN IT.

OH, YEAH, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC. YEAH, IT'S NOT. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN.

I'M ASSUMING WE WON'T MAKE IT A PRIVATE STREET. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE FRONTAGE ON. ON BOB JONES, IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BELONG TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOT OR IS THAT. I GUESS MAYBE IT DOES. THAT LANDSCAPE FRONTAGE, IS THAT GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA OR THE PROPERTY? AND THEY'VE GOT, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A, THIS DETENTION POND IS ON A OPEN SPACE LOT. SO THE HOA HAVE OPEN SPACE LOTS. RIGHT.

SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE QUESTION WHILE MORE TIME.

THE FRONTAGE ON BOB JONES, LOOKING AT THIS, AT THIS GRAPHIC RIGHT HERE.

YES. IS THAT GOING TO BE A PART OF THE, OF THOSE TWO LOTS OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A PART OF THE HOA? OPEN SPACE OR OPEN.

SO THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ISLAND AND THE GUARD SHACK THAT.

AND THE FRONTAGE ON THE RIGHT.

SO TO, FOR THE, FOR THAT COMMENT.

THAT, THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, OBVIOUSLY. AND TO MAKE THAT WORK.

AND TO GET THE VALUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN HERE. I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU ARE NOT FOR THE GATE, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE THE VALUE OF BRINGING UP THESE HOA FEES TO SUPPORT THIS ENTRANCE AND SO AND THE PONDS, BECAUSE ONCE WE REMOVE THOSE, ONCE WE REMOVE THAT ABILITY TO CHARGE FOR A HIGHER HOA, IT KIND OF STARTS TAKING AWAY FROM LIKE THE GRAND ENTRY AND HOW BIG WE CAN MAKE THESE PONDS OR RIGHT. WHERE IT'S NOT JUST MINIMAL LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THIS MORE OF A HIGHER END COMMUNITY AND TO MAINTAIN THOSE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. SO IT'S, IT'S,

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I THINK IT'S VOLATILE TO. IF WE DON'T GET THE GATED, THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST AFFORD THAT ENTRY THE WAY IT IS? AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT. I MEAN IT'S A HUGE ENTRY. I MEAN THAT ISLAND IS 50 FOOT. THE GUARD SHACK IS 10 BY 8. I MEAN JUST THE LANDSCAPING ALONE IN FRONT OF THOSE, THE BRIDAL GATE WALLS, I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A BIG IMPACT INTO SOUTH LAKE. I THINK, I THINK IT'S A.

I HOPE I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

SEE, I THINK YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. I THINK YOU MAY NEED TO TABLE THIS THEN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE SUPPORT FOR A PRIVATE ROAD AND A GATE UP HERE, PERIOD. AND IF YOU THINK YOU NEED THAT, IF THAT'S A NO GO FOR YOU, THEN YOU NEED TO TABLE THIS.

OR IT SOUNDS LIKE TAKE A VOTE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. NOW OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GATE, YOU DON'T NEED A GUARD CHECK.

SO. RIGHT. THAT TAKES THAT AWAY.

SO WOULD I BE. SO IF THIS GETS SUBMITTED RIGHT. THE WAY IT IS.

QUESTION FOR DENNIS. IF IT GETS SUBMITTED THE WAY IT IS, DOES THE GUARD SHACK. DO WE HAVE TO BUILD THE GUARD SHACK OR CAN I REMOVE THE GUARD SHACK? NO, IF. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PRIVATE STREET, THERE'S NO REAL PURPOSE FOR THE GUARD SHACK. AND IF YOU WANT TO RETAIN THE MEDIAN, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. AS LONG AS THAT MEDIAN AND ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT MEDIAN ARE PUT IN AN HOA LOT AND ARE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

BUT THE GUARD HOUSE WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED. IF YOU WANT NEIGHBORHOOD FENCING AND WALLS THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE ASSOCIATION, YOU WOULD STILL NEED THE ASSOCIATION TO BE ORGANIZED TO RAISE FEES AND PROVIDE MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE. AND YOUR DETENTION STRUCTURES, EVEN IF THEY'RE IN EASEMENTS FOR WITHIN EACH OF THESE LOTS, WOULD NEED TO BE HOA MAINTAINED SINCE THEY ARE SUPPORTING DETENTION FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.

SO DURING. DURING SUBMITTAL FOR MY CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. IF I OPT THE ISLAND AND THE GUARD SHACK, IF IT GOT APPROVED TODAY, THAT I WOULD BE.

SO I DON'T HAVE TO.

I CAN OPT OUT ON IT IF I WANTED TO DURING CONSTRUCTION AND NOT PUT THE ISLAND IN THERE, CORRECT? YEAH, IF YOU.

IF RIGHT.

AND THE DISCUSSION HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE PRIVATE STREET OR NOT.

IF IT IS NOT A PRIVATE STREET, THE CITY DOES NOT WANT TO MAINTAIN IMPROVEMENT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY LIKE THAT. AND SO THAT CAN EITHER BE REMOVED FROM THE REQUEST AND YOU HAVE A STANDARD STREET WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WALLS AND LANDSCAPE AND THE MEDIAN GOES AWAY, GUARD HOUSE GOES AWAY.

AND THAT CAN BE DONE WITH.

THAT COULD BE DONE WITH ADMINISTRATION AND NOT WITH COUNCIL, CORRECT? YES. IF COUNCIL ELIMINATES AND IF YOU CONCUR WITH THEIR ELIMINATION OF THE PRIVATE STREET, THEN AND SAY, I'M GOING TO REMOVE ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE STREET, THAT'S THAT IS DONE.

WHAT'S THAT ACTION I GET AFTER THE VOTE? I CAN EITHER LEAVE IT THERE OR NOT, OR DO I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY? YEAH. AND I DO THINK THAT.

WHAT THE.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE A DATE OR NOT.

BUT PLANNING HIS OWN COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ELIMINATE THE PRIVATE STREAM. IF YOU WISH TO MAINTAIN THE MEDIAN, YOU MAY DO SO AND SHOW THAT ON THE PRELIMINARY PLOT WE WILL REQUIRE THAT IT BE DESIGNATED IN AN OPEN SPACE LOT AND THE RIGHT OF WAY BE CONFIGURED SUCH THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOOD ON THE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS IS SATISFIED WITH HOW THAT'S ORIENTED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT IT WOULD NEED TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD MAINTAIN, MAINTAINED MEDIAN.

WE WOULD.

WE WOULD MAINTAIN IT, BUT WE CAN OPT OUT ON BUILDING.

WHEN YOU GET READY TO SIT, YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT THAT, IT CAN BE REMOVED.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE.

WITH THE VOTE.

HOWEVER.

YES, I THINK IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.

ONE POINT THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE. IF IT'S NOT YOUR INTENTION

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TO BUILD THE FRONTAGE ON BOB JONES THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO COME FORWARD. YOU CAN'T OPT OUT OF THAT FENCE AND THAT LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PRESENTED AS A PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH BUILDING THAT? YEAH, THE ISLAND AND MAINTAINING IT.

I KNOW. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STREET FRONTAGE ON THE BOB JONES. THE STREET MANAGE ON BOB JONES FENCE AND THE LANDSCAPE.

LIKE WHERE THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON THAT WALL. MASONRY WALL.

THAT WOULD STILL BE THERE FOR SURE.

LANDSCAPE, YES.

YES, FOR SURE. THE SIDES WOULD BE THERE FOR SURE. IT WOULD JUST BE THE MIDDLE.

MEDIAN IS THE LIKE. DO WE NEED A HAMMERHEAD? WELL, WE DON'T NEED A HAMMERHEAD IF WE DON'T HAVE A GATE. SO THAT'S MY. MY QUESTION WAS FOR MORE THE HAMMERHEAD AND THE GUARD SHACK AND THE MEDIAN. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A GATE THEN WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD A 50 FOOT ISLAND WITH THE HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND.

THAT WAS JUST MY. I WOULD BE OPTING OUT ON THAT. IF IT GOT BOATED DOWN THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO ABLE TO GATE, THEN I WOULD PROBABLY REMOVE THE MIDDLE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT. WE DON'T NEED AN ISLAND OR HAMMERHEAD.

THAT WAS ALL THE SAME.

ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE I FORGOT TO NOTE THAT I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6E THAT. WE SENT OUT 24 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS WITH NO RESPONSES.

BUT WE DID GET SOME EMAILS.

ONE'S FROM DERRICK BROWN AT 4525 SODA RIDGE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED GATED SUBDIVISION.

JOHN FLEPS.

I DON'T SEE HIS ADDRESS.

I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S IN FAVOR OR NOT.

LOOKS LIKE HE HAD AN ISSUE WITH SUBMITTING.

HE SAID THE IT WASN'T WORKING, BUT HE'S AT 4.

IT LOOKED LIKE HE HAD LIKE A TECHNICAL GLITCH.

YEAH, HE HAD A TECHNICAL GLITCH.

HE TOLD ME.

OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 6E COUNCIL.

ANYTHING ELSE? OH, COME ON. WE'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 6E.

YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SAM NOEL, 9728 KAMBOOI BOULEVARD. I OWN MONUMENT AND M BUILDERS, AND WE OWN THE THREE LOTS ON RAINEY COURT THAT BACK UP TO THIS SUBDIVISION. I'M PRO DEVELOPMENT. I LIKE DEVELOPMENT. THE RETENTION POND IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR ME BECAUSE OF THE OVERFLOW. IT'S GOT TO BE A RETENTION POND AND NOT A FISHING POND LIKE THE APPLICANT SAID. IT NEEDS TO BE DOWN. IT RISES AND GOES OUT AT A FLOOD BECAUSE THAT FLUME, IF IT HAS CONSTANT WATER, IS GOING TO BE MOSS PROBLEM ALL THROUGH RAINY COURT INTO THE CUL DE SAC AND ON TO BOB JONES. SO I ASKED THAT THEY. WE DIDN'T GET NOTICED BY THE CITY OF THE APPLICANT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THE WRONG ADDRESS FOR US OR WHAT, BUT WE'RE BUILDING IN THE CITY, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DIDN'T GET NOTICED ON THAT OR.

AND THE APPLICANT DIDN'T APPROACH US ABOUT THAT RETENTION UPON OR THE.

THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I'D ASK YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RETENTION POND IS ADEQUATE AND DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO FOR THE RAINY CORPS PEOPLE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF BEHIND LOT SIX. SO WE'RE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, TOP OF THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THE ONE THAT'S BEHIND THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE.

YES, THE RETAINING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUBDIVISION.

SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S DESIGNED TO OVERFLOW AND GO DOWN THE FLUME ON RAINY PORT BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE.

AND THAT CAN'T BE A CONSTANT DRAINAGE. IT'S GOT TO BE ONLY DURING RAIN EVENTS AND IT'S OUT OF THERE AND IT'S GONE.

IF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED. FEELING LIKE THIS IS COMPLICATED FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT.

AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT SINCE HE'S PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ON BOB JONES, WHY CAN'T THE WATER GO TO BOB JONES UNDERGROUND OR DOWN THE. ON THE PROPERTY.

ON HIS PROPERTY AND STAY ON HIS PROPERTY TO NEXT TO THE WATERWAY OR TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF WE COULD. YES. IF THERE'S NO SECOND REASON, THEN WE HAVE TO KIND OF NAIL IT DOWN.

CAN WE.

CAN WE TALK TO THE ENGINEER AGAIN? YEP.

OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTIONS? WELL, I GUESS PRIMARILY, WHERE'S ALL THE WATER GOING TO ACTUALLY GO? YOU WANT TO START FROM THE NORTH SIDE AND WORK YOUR WAY DOWN. BASED ON THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAD EARLIER, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MAIN RETENTION POND IN THE CENTER. AND THEN WHEN THAT GETS FULL, I ASSUME SO IF IT'S A RETENTION POND, IT'S GOING TO HAVE WATER IN IT ALL THE TIME.

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WELL, IT WOULD HAVE WATER IN IT ALL THE TIME. BUT THE OUTFALL STRUCTURE WOULD. WOULD BE DESIGNED THAT AS THE POND GETS STORM WHERE IT'S DESIGNED, IT WOULD RUN OUT ONCE THAT STORM IS OVER, IT WOULD GO BACK DOWN. SO AS HE WAS ASKING, THERE WOULD NOT BE WATER CONSTANTLY FLOWING DOWN THAT FLUME AND INTO RAINY COURT. IT WOULD ONLY HAPPEN DURING LARGE RAIN EVENTS. IT WOULD BE DESIGNED LIKE YOUR NORMAL DRY DETENTION POND.

OKAY. SO THERE'S NO. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DIRECTING THE WATER FROM THAT RETENTION POND TOWARDS THE TWO ON THE EAST SIDE IN ANY WAY.

OKAY. HE'S ASKING ABOUT WHICH POND. LET'S TAKE THIS ONE POND AT A TIME.

SO YEAH, RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE DETENTION POND. I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO. IF THAT OVERFLOWS AND JUST WE HAVE A HUGE RAIN EVENT, THEN WHERE'S THE WATER GOING TO GO? OKAY. THERE'S ACTUALLY A EXISTING DRAINAGE FLUME THAT RUNS IN, I BELIEVE IT'S IN BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE ON THAT RAINY CORE SIDE. SO OUR, THAT DETENTION POND WOULD DISCHARGE INTO THAT EXISTING FLUME AND THAT WATER WOULD GO TO RAINY CORE AS IT'S DESIGNED TODAY.

SO IT'S GOING TO GO EAST INTO RAINY COURT.

YES, THROUGH THE EXISTING DRAINAGE FLUME THAT WAS BUILT WITH RAINY COURT.

DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE? HAVE YOU DONE ANY TRAINING CALCULATIONS ON.

I GUESS WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.

OKAY, RIGHT HERE, THERE'S A NOTE RIGHT THERE FOR OUR PRE DEVELOPMENT DRAINAGE AREA MAP. YOU SEE THAT NOTE KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, IT SAYS FROM PLANS FROM RAINY COURT Q100 DESIGN HDFS. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT FLUME IS DESIGNED TO PICK UP FROM THIS SITE TODAY.

UNDEVELOPED. I'M JUST PERSONALLY NOT GETTING A GOOD FEEL THAT THIS IS REAL WELL THOUGHT THROUGH. YOU KNOW, LIKE I LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT, I LOVE THE DESIGN AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT I'M GETTING MORE CONCERNED RATHER THAN LESS CONCERNED. AND IT ALL STEMS FROM WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH BOB JONES AND THAT RETAINING WALL AND ALL THAT.

AND THEN WHERE, WHERE DOES THE WATER JUST, JUST WHERE DOES IT DISCHARGE FROM THAT POND? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH BELOW THE EVE IS IT GOING TO BE KEPT? AND JUST LIKE I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON YOU, BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO THINK OF ANSWERS AS WE GO HERE. AND I WOULD RATHER TABLE THIS AND YOU COME BACK TO US WITH A FULLY LIKE YOU THOUGHT OUT ALL OF THIS AND GOT CLEAR ANSWERS TO ALL OF THIS. OKAY. I MEAN, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I MEAN, THIS IS VERY CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE THE CONCEPT PLANTS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, YEAH, THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL LACKING. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR QUESTIONS. WE CAN.

HCFS IS LIKE 60 GALLONS A SECOND, SO THAT'S NOT A HECK OF A LOT OF WATER. JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET ACROSS, OH, FIVE, SIX ACRES OF WATER IN A ROAD AND A GIANT HILL.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BIT MORE, POTENTIALLY WHEN THAT'S FULL, MORE THAN 60 GALLONS A SECOND.

SO I THINK I WOULD GO ALONG WITH TAILING IT.

SO ME AND THE ENGINEERS HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND THE ENGINEER ON THE STAMP HERE, ME AND HIM TALKED ABOUT HAVING IT THREE TO FOUR FEET DRY AND GOING DOWN TO THE CUL DE SAC WITH A STORM DRAIN. AND THAT STORM DRAIN IS GOING TO GO DOWN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET INTO THAT DETENTION POND, AND IT'S GOING TO HOLD THAT WATER. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE IS A DRAINAGE, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN BETWEEN RANDY CORP AND SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE. AND THAT IS DESIGNED. HE'S EXPLAINED IT TO ME HOW HE HAD AND ME TALKED

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ABOUT A CONSTRUCTION DESIGN POINT THAT THAT WATER WOULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH OTHER RIFFRAFF TO GET TO THAT SPOT.

BUT YOU'RE DIRECTING VIRTUALLY ALL WATER IN THAT ENTIRE SECTION INTO ONE NODE, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA PUSH RIGHT ONTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

WE ALSO HAVE EASEMENT THAT RUNS ON RANDY COURT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THAT PART OF THAT WATER IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN TO THE OTHER DETENTION POND ON WHITECHAPEL. AND SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO TAKE ALL THE WATER FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. ME AND KEITH HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DETAIL. SO ASSURE YOU THAT I HAVE ALREADY HAVE A CONSTRUCTION DESIGN IN MY HEAD THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE I NEED THIS TO LOOK RIGHT. AND I KNEW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER HERE. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT WATER IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, BECAUSE IT ONLY CAN TAKE 60 GALLONS. LIKE YOU SAID, THAT FLUME ONLY CAN TAKE SO MUCH.

SO IT HAS TO. IT CAN'T. IT CAN'T RELIEVE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. SO IT HAS TO TAKE IT DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF RANDY COURT FROM THAT GOING TOWARDS THAT WHITECHAPEL DETENTION POND.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALSO A PIPE THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER WATER RELIEF THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING IN BETWEEN LOT 4 AND 5. AND THAT'S WHY THAT PIPE IS THERE.

YOU SEE THAT BLACK LINE WITH THOSE WITH THE ARROWS THAT GO DOWN FROM THE CUL DE SAC? YEAH. AND THE CUL DE SAC.

SO THAT'LL BE ANOTHER STORM DRAIN THAT GOES DOWN. THERE'LL BE A PIPE AND THAT'S WHAT THAT BLACK LINE. AND THEN YOU SEE IT KIND OF LIKE 45S UP INTO THE POND ON LOT 8. DO YOU SEE THAT? THAT'S A PIPE.

SO MOST OF THAT WATER IS GOING TO DISTRIBUTE BY THREE DIFFERENT STORM DRAINS. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT. BECAUSE AGAIN, I'VE TALKED TO KEITH AND WE WERE VERY DETAILED ON HOW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO JUST TO REASSURE YOU THAT I'VE BEEN SUPER INVOLVED WITH THE DRAINAGE.

AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET BELOW STREET GRADE, AND THAT'S HOW THAT WILL BE.

AND I KNOW THAT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING LIKE A CONSTANT FLOW AND GETTING MOSS INTO HIS. INTO THE, INTO THE PLUME. IT'S ONLY DURING HEAVY RAINFLOW.

THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ON THAT END MIGHT BE ABLE TO READ BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THIS DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR THIS. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT RAINY. IT APPEARS TO BE UPHILL FROM YOUR POND ON YOUR CONCEPT PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO BE THREE OR FOUR FEET BELOW GRADE. WHAT IS THE DETENTION POND.

HOW IS IT GOING TO GET TO THIS? HOW'S IT GOING TO RUN UPHILL TO GET INTO THIS GRADE? SO IT HAS TO BE GRADED.

I MEAN, I'M NOT. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT I CAN. THAT I'M READING THIS RIGHT.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT'S ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

DO WE HAVE THAT ON THIS MAP? I MEAN, LOOK AT THE CONCEPT. I NEED TO SEE A DOCTOR FOR MY EYES, I THINK WHICH.

THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS HERE OR HERE? TALK ABOUT THE.

THE ONE THAT'S LABELED CONCEPT PLAN. THE ONE THAT'S LABELED CONCEPT GOT DUFFY'S STAMP ON IT. I'M GETTING DIZZY.

YOU WANT THIS ELEVATION ONE? NOPE.

THAT ONE? NOPE. THIS MIGHT HELP YOU.

THIS IS AN RCF REPORT.

MAYBE THAT'S NOT THEIR PRESENTATION.

NO, THIS IS A CONCEPT. THIS ONE. ONE MORE. THERE YOU GO.

THERE WE GO. SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

I SEE THE TENSION POND, WHICH ACTUALLY IS BIGGER ON TAP THAN IT IS ON HERE. BUT THE STAMPED WATERWAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 8 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND DOWN APPEARS TO BE UPHILL FROM THE POND.

THAT ALSO SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE.

IS THAT RAINEY'S INTENTION TO HAVE A WOOD FENCE ALONG THOSE TWO PROPERTY LINES? YEAH, THAT'S NOT OUR.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

YEAH, THAT'S RAINEY TORCH. YOU JUST PUT UP A DAM IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN IT GETS THIS CONFUSING, IT JUST DOESN'T.

AND SO I'M JUST.

MY ADVICE TO YOU IS TO TIGHTEN IT UP AND HAVE A FULL PLAN BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ON THE DICE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING SUPPORT FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. IT'S JUST WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND WE CAN DO THAT.

I JUST PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE FULL CONFIDENCE OF GOING TO TRUSTING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS TO GET THERE. BECAUSE I HEAR

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THAT YOU HAVE A DETAILED PLAN, BUT THEN I HEAR YOU'RE ENGINEERS SAY THERE'S DRAINS THAT GOES SOUTHWEST BETWEEN LOT 2 AND 3, THEN IT'S BETWEEN 5 AND 4, AND THEN IT'S GOING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE TO 7 AND 8. AND I'M JUST CONFUSED. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA REALLY GET THERE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'RE THINKING AT A THREAD THAT THEN JUST UNRAVELS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO THAT'S MY ADVICE. I MEAN, THEN YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO KIND OF CLEAN THIS UP, TIGHTEN IT UP, GET YOUR STORY RIGHT, AND I THINK YOU'LL GET THERE. I THINK YOU NEED TO DEFINE IT CLEARER AND I'D LIKE TO AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY ORIGINALLY I'M LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, I GUESS I COULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THE MORE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SECOND READING ON THIS. BUT THAT'S WHY I MADE THE STATEMENT. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT REALLY, I DON'T MEAN ANY OFFENSE, BUT PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN A TIMELY MANNER FOR THIS.

SO I'D BE GOOD WITH THAT TOO.

WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING THIS, BUT LOT 6 IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DRAINAGE IN THAT RETENTION DETENTION POND. THE OTHER ONES ARE GOING TO THE PIPE AND THEN THROUGH THE.

THROUGH THAT NORTH SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE AND NORTH OF RANDY COURT. AND THAT'LL BE A RANDY G'S METHOD. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY ASSUMPTION, JUST BASED ON THE GRADING.

BUT WHAT YOU COULD DO IS YOU COULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THOSE AND COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, ORANGE LOT, THIS IS WHERE IT DRAINS INTO AND THIS IS THE EXIT.

ORANGE GOES THIS WAY, PURPLE IS THIS WAY, AND IT GOES THIS WAY, AND ON AND ON AND ON, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK.

SO THE PLANS GOING FORWARD THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THE.

WITH SANDY THE CIVIL ENGINEER, IS THAT NOT SO? ARE WE ABLE TO GET A VOTE TODAY WITH THE.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE EXPLANATION ON ALL THIS RANGE OF STUFF.

AND SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO TABLE IT. IT'S YOUR CALL.

YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CHANCES.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE HEARING A STRONG SUGGESTION TO GO TABLE FOR. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS IN JULY, BUT YOU COULD BE BACK HERE THE 1ST, WHATEVER AUGUST 4TH AND HAVE ALL THAT SQUARED AWAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE THERE ON EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT JUST EXPLAIN THIS, CLEAN THIS UP AND THEN SHOULD BE OKAY. OKAY, OKAY.

WITH TABLING, WE CAN SEE ON AUGUST 4TH.

ALL RIGHT. TOTALLY UNRELIABLE QUESTION. I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE Y', ALL, IS HE THE BUILDER ON ALL THIS OR IS THERE. YOU ARE THE BUILDERS, ARE THEY LOCAL BUILDERS OR.

EXCUSE ME, SORRY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, ARE YOU THE BUILDER OR THE LOCAL BUILDERS? YEAH, ONE BUILDER.

I'M THE BUILDER AND DEVELOPER.

YOU'RE DOING ALL EIGHT HOMES? WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING FOUR OF THE EIGHT FOR SURE.

OKAY. THE OTHER FOUR WILL BE LOCAL BUILDERS OR.

YEAH, SO I WORK CLOSELY WITH WILLOW TREE, TRAVIS FRANKS, ATWOOD HOMES. I MEAN BUILDING WITH THEM AND SOME OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO A MOTION TO TABLE 6E TO AUGUST 1ST 4TH.

ALL RIGHT, MR. MAYOR, I MAKE SURE WE TABLE ITEM 6EZ 826 0040. REVISED CONCEPT PLAN FOR BRIDAL GATE ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 2RRD PRICE NUMBER 992. ADDITION LOCATED AT 4000 NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? PLEASE CAST A VOTE TO JUNE 4TH TO TRAIN 4. AUGUST 4TH.

AUGUST 4TH. SORRY, IT'S GETTING LATE.

ALL RIGHT.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT, CAST YOUR VOTES ON TABLING 6E. THAT MOTION TO TABLE CARRIES 7 0. WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON AUGUST 4TH.

NEXT.

COUNCIL, DO YOU NEED A.

ANYONE NEED A BATHROOM BREAK OR

[7.A. Ordinance No. 1269-I, CP26-0006, 1st Reading, Amendment to the City of Southlake Consolidated Future Land Use Plan, an Element of the Southlake Comprehensive Plan, for 3095 Johnson Rd. on property described as a portion of Lot 16, J. G. Allen No. 18 Addition and located at 3095 Johnson Road. Current Underlying Land Use Designation: “Public/Semi-Public”. Requested Underlying Land Use Designation: “Low Density Residential”. SPIN Neighborhood #11. ]

A DRINK BREAK? ALL RIGHT, FIVE MINUTE BREAK. ALRIGHT, WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

WE'RE GOING TO CALL 7A AND 7B TOGETHER.

ITEM 7A IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269 I CP260006. FIRST READING, AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR 3095 JOHNSON ROAD. AND 7B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 480 848. CASE NUMBER ZA26 0035. FIRST READING, ZONING CHANGE OF CONCEPT PLAN FOR 3095 JOHNSON ROW. DIRECTOR TILLO.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS ARIEL'S VIEW OF THE SITE. THIS IS FLORENCE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE,

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CURRENTLY ZONED COMMUNITY SERVICE. SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD DETERMINED THIS NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO BE ACCESS AND HAVE PUT THAT UP TO BID FOR DEVELOPER AND WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, A LITTLE OVER FOUR ACRES FROM PUBLIC, SEMI PUBLIC TO LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY OR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THEN CHANGE ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY FROM CS COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT SF1, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY FROM JOHNSON ROAD AND A VIEW LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF HAROLD DRIVE AND JOHNSON ROAD. ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE AND LOOKING ALONG HAROLD PLACE AND NORTH TO WHERE JOHNSON ROAD IS. THIS IS A PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN DEVELOPED UNDER SF1ACING AND FAMILY PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL ZONING. TWO LOTS ARE PROPOSED TO FRONT ON JOHNSON ROAD EACH AT JUST THAT ONE ACRE OF LAND. AND THEN TWO LOTS PROPOSED TO FRONT ON HAROLD DRIVE, BOTH AT JUST A LITTLE UNDER 55,000 SQUARE FOOT EACH.

THIS IS A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. AND PROPOSED FENCING PLAN. APPLICANT INTENDS TO RETAIN EXISTING ORNAMENTAL FENCING ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY AND RETAIN THE WOOD FENCE OR IRON FENCE THAT IS ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY ABUTTING THE SCHOOL.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN. THIS IS EXISTING DRAINAGE AS IT IMPACTS THE PROPERTY TODAY. THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION PROVIDED MORE DETAIL DETAILED INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN.

AND SOME EXHIBITS SHOWING SOME OF THE DRAINAGE THAT HANDLES SOME OF THIS INTO THE EASEMENT AND STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE HAROLD PLACE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTO THE BEAR CREEK TRIBUTARY AT PEARSON. THIS IS PROPOSED UTILITY PLAN. SANITARY SEWER WILL BE EXTENDED TO THE LOTS.

AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED LOTS 1 AND PLANNING ZONE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR MAY 21 MEETING. 5, 0 SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORTS AND ALSO APPROVING THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT AND NOTING THAT THEY MUST PROVIDE A COMPENSATION, DRAINAGE STUDIES, STORMWATER RETENTION, DETENTION DATA AND HAVE PROJECT ENGINEERED TO PRESENT THE COUNCIL RESPONSES WE'VE RECEIVED.

WE HAVE TWO OPPOSED WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA, ONE UNDECIDED IN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA AND AND ONE IN FAVOR WITHIN THE.

WITHIN THE AREA AND THEN ONE.

PARDON ME ONE OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION. SORRY, NONE.

NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. GOT THEIR OWN PRESENTATION AND

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WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND PROVIDE ANY DETAIL THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.

THANK YOU DIRECTOR TILLO.

ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.

IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD THEN GO IN.

HELLO AGAIN COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG, 550 SILICON DRIVE HERE IN SOUTH LAKE.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE REAL FAMILIAR WITH THIS END OF TOWN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE SCHOOL USED TO BE WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS UP HERE. AND THEY REBUILT THE SCHOOL, MOVED IT TO THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWNED, AND THAT FREED UP THIS PROPERTY FOR SALE. AND IT'S A LITTLE OVER FOUR AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM PUBLIC, SEMI, PUBLIC TO RESIDENTIAL. YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S AROUND US. WE'VE GOT HALF ACRE LOTS ACROSS THE STREET ACROSS JOHNSON. THIS IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. BUT NOT ALL OF THESE LOTS ARE OVER AN ACRE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE. AND SO OUR THOUGHT WAS TO TRY AND TAKE THE CONSERVATIVE ROUTE HERE AND KEEP WITH LOW DENSITY AND CHANGE THIS TO LOW DENSITY SO WE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS SOUTH OF JOHNSON. HERE'S THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE SCHOOL WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.

AND OUR PLAN IS BASICALLY STRAIGHT SF1A. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES OR ANY CHANGES TO ANY OF THE SETBACKS OR ANYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SIMPLE, THAT IF YOU WOULD. OUR ENGINEERS HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM OR WOULD LIKE PRESENTATION. I CAN DO THAT, BUT OTHERWISE THIS IS FAIRLY SIMPLE.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, CURTIS. AND THIS LOT, THIS SLIDE WILL DO AS WELL AS ANY.

WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, THAT.

THAT LINE GOING THROUGH LOT 02, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THAT'S. THAT'S A FENCE LINE AT THIS POINT. RIGHT. IT'S A RETAINING WALL. IT'S A RETAINING WALL. YEAH. I WAS GONNA SAY THERE'S AN ELEVATION CHANGE, IS THERE NOT? YEAH.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CONTOURS, THE HIGH POINT IS HERE AND IT SLOPES DOWN AND THEN THIS IS A RETAINING WALL PROBABLY BUILT BY THE SCHOOL WAY BACK WHEN.

THAT RETAINING WALL WILL PROBABLY BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING ELSE, BUT YES.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GRADE THAT OUT? PROBABLY, YES. OKAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD BECAUSE WHEN I WAS VISITING THE Y, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A GREAT CHANGE THERE, BUT I WASN'T SURE HOW IT WAS GOING TO IMPACT THE LOT. SO.

YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. YOU BET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE ENGINEER WHO'S HERE? YEAH.

ARE THERE ANY PLANS ON THAT WEST SIDE FOR I THINK RIGHT NOW THOUGH, ANY RUNOFF? FIRST OFF, LET ME BACK UP.

CLEARLY THERE'D BE LESS OF A RUNOFF FROM THAT PROPERTY NOW THAN WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS THERE.

BUT THE RUNOFF THAT YOU DO HAVE FROM THERE, I ASSUME IT'S JUST DIRECTED BY.

BY CURB GUTTERS AND SHEEP FLOW ACROSS THE STREET, THE MAJORITY OF IT GOING SOUTH. THERE'S NO, THERE IS NO BAR DITCH OR ANYTHING OVER THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULDN'T CROSS. I CAN BRING CLAYTON, UP HERE, IT WOULDN'T CROSS THE STREET.

IT'S ALL POOL THAT HAS PIPES GOING UNDERNEATH THE STREET.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE DOING ALONG THE WEST SIDE FOR THAT WATER? OR WE JUST GO INTO THE CURVES THAT ARE THERE NOW? ALSO, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AGAIN.

I'M GONNA GET USED TO COMING UP HERE. CLAYTON REDDINGER. 550 SILICON DRIVE, SOUTH LAKE. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, I USED TO BE A STAFF ENGINEER FOR THE CITY OF SOUTH LAKE WAY BACK WHEN. I KNOW SOME OF Y', ALL, BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL OF YOU, BUT I'VE BASICALLY BEEN WORKING IN SOUTH LAKE EVER SINCE.

BUT THE WATER DOES NOT CROSS THE ROAD. IT'S BASICALLY LIKE JUST LIKE IN A SUBDIVISION WHERE YOU HAVE THE ROAD THAT'S CROWNED.

IT GOES INTO THE GUTTER, AND IT RUNS DOWN THE GUTTER LINE. SO IT STAYS ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO A LOW POINT WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE PROBABLY FOR THE ENGINEER, BUT AT PMD, THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE ON CAROL DRIVE TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT WATER COMES NOW OVER TO THEM. SO IT DOESN'T STOP ON YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO, BUT IT'S. I GUESS I CAN SHOW HERE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE, BUT YOU SEE THIS. THERE'S, LIKE, LITTLE DRAWS HERE. YOU

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KNOW, YOU CAN SEE. SEE, THERE'S DEFINITELY, LIKE, A GUTTER LINE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. AND IT GETS PRETTY PRONOUNCED. I MEAN, IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT, YOU COULD SEE THAT THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD IS HIGHER THAN THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

IT'S KIND OF CANTED TOWARD US, ESPECIALLY DOWN HERE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS. SEE HOW THIS CONTOUR RUNS LIKE THIS. THE WATER IS RUNNING ON THIS, INSIDE THIS GUTTER, AND THEN IT DIPS OVER ONTO THIS SIDE. SO OUR WATER OR THE WATER FROM OUR PROPERTY DOESN'T GO TO THE WEST SIDE, BUT I ACTUALLY LIVE UP IN HERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WATER COMING FROM. OKAY, SO HERE'S OUR SITE RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF WATER COMING FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HERE THAT COMES INTO SOME CURB INLETS. IT LETS OUT INTO THIS DITCH. KIND OF SEE IT BLOWING UP HERE.

HERE'S THE TWO CURB INLETS, AND IT COMES INTO THIS DITCH.

THE WATER FROM THIS OTHER ROAD COMES INTO A PIPE HERE. IT ACTUALLY CROSSES THE ROAD AND COMES INTO THIS DITCH. IT'S SALT BAY. SO THIS DITCH TAKES A LOT OF WATER FROM OTHER PLACES, BUT IT'S NOT COMING FROM OUR SITE. AND IT IS, I BELIEVE THE CULVERTS THAT ARE IN THIS DITCH ARE UNDERSIZED TODAY AND THEY KIND OF GET OVERWHELMED BY DRAINAGE THAT'S COME FROM.

FROM OTHER PLACES, BUT IT'S NOT COMING FROM US.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WAS THAT ON THE APPROVAL FROM PNC, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASKED WAS FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD WAS FOR A MORE DETAILED DRAINAGE PLAN, CORRECT? YEAH. AND THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED SITUATION, BUT I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS ALL THE WATER FROM THIS BIG DASH AREA ENDS UP AT THIS DESIGN POINT ONE RIGHT HERE. IT GOES THROUGH THE CHANNEL AT THE HOUSE. I THINK THERE'S A BETTER PICTURE OF THAT.

SO IT KIND OF GOES, YOU KNOW, OUR SIDE OF THE STREET COMES TO THIS POINT RIGHT HERE AND GOES THROUGH THESE CULVERTS.

IT GOES INTO THIS CHANNEL AND THEN THERE'S BEHIND THAT HOUSE, THERE'S FOUR 24 INCH PIPES THAT ARE IN A 30. AND ON THAT LOT THERE'S A 40 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT. AND IT GETS WIDER IN THE CORNER, ACTUALLY.

BUT THEN THERE'S A 30 FOOT EASEMENT FOR THESE FOUR 24 INCH PIPES. AND THEN IT'S A. I THINK IT'S A 40 FOOT EASEMENT FOR THESE FOUR 27 INCH PIPES WHICH HAS A CHANNEL OVER THE TOP OF IT. SO YOU HAVE THE PIPES AND A CHANNEL OVER THE TOP OF IT, AND THEN THAT ALL COMES DOWN TO PEARSON. AND IF YOU GO LOOK AT PEARSON, THERE'S A HUGE CHANNEL ON THE EAST SIDE OF PEARSON THAT GOES TO THE TXDOT SYSTEM AND THEN TO BEAR CREEK. SO I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS RUN RIGHT HERE. IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF ISSUES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT REALLY CLOSELY. IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST DO FROM THE SKY. SO IN THAT DISCUSSION I COULD SEE THAT, LIKE, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF ISSUES WHERE THAT AND OUR INCREASED DRAINAGE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TINY, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. FOUR CFS IN THE HUNDRED. AND IF THERE IS ANY EXISTING CONCERNS HERE THAT ARE WHERE THE WATER GETS OUTSIDE THE EASEMENT OR WHATEVER, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO DETENTION ON THE SITE.

AND WE COULD EITHER DO IT HERE OR WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE SCHOOL, BUT WE THINK WE CAN DO IT RIGHT HERE. AND PART OF WHAT I PROVIDED WAS THIS. I GUESS DENNIS SHOWED IT EARLIER, BUT. WAS LAYING THAT BACK AT YOUR BACK OR IS THIS A DIFFERENT THING? ANYWAY, WE SHOWED THERE'S A CHART IN THERE AND IT SHOWS THE VOLUME OF STORAGE REQUIRED. IF WE. IF DETENTION IS REQUIRED AND IT'S LIKE 6,500 CUBIC FEET OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT A BIG. AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE UP A BIG AREA ON OUR LOT. SO IF WE GET INTO IT AND WE NEED TO DO DETENTION, WE CAN DO IT ON THE LOT OR WE CAN DO IT ON THE SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. SO. BUT WE CAN. WE WILL FOLLOW THE RULES AND THEN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION DURING THE FINAL DESIGN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, GUYS. I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS 7A AND 7B AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THOSE TWO ITEMS BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL NOTE WE SENT OUT 4045 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS AND WE HAVE THREE RESPONSES. JOHN SCHEIDT AT 2240 HERALD DRIVE IS UNDECIDED. PETER FEGAN AT 600 OVERLAND IS OPPOSED. GREG

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WINSLOW AT 333 NORTH PEARSON IS OPPOSED. THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON FIRST READING ON 7A AND 7B? ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM SEPARATELY ON 7A FIRST AND THEN 7B.

COMMISSIONARY MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM 7A. ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269, ICP 260006. FIRST READING. AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLY CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 3095 JOHNSON ROAD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF LOT 16, JG ALLEN, NUMBER 18 EDITION AND LOCATED AT 3095 JOHNSON ROAD. SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED JUNE 8TH OF 2026 NOTING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CONSOLIDATED USE PLAN FROM PUBLIC SEMI PUBLIC LAND USE DESIGNATION TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.

WE HAVE THE MOTION. WE HAVE A

[7.B. Ordinance No. 480-848, ZA26-0035, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Concept Plan for 3095 Johnson Rd. on property described as a portion of Lot 16, J. G. Allen No. 18 Addition and located at 3095 Johnson Road. Current Zoning: “CS” Community Service District. Requested Zoning: “SF-1A” Single Family Residential District. SPIN Neighborhood #11. ]

SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE 7A. THAT MOTION CARRIES.

7 0. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION ON 7B? YES, MR. MAYOR.

MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEM 7B, ORDINANCE NUMBER 480. 848 ZA26 0035.

FIRST READING.

ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR 3095 JOHNSON ROAD ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF LOT 16, J.G. ALLEN, NUMBER 18 ADDITION AND LOCATED AT 3095 JOHNSON ROAD. SUBJECT STAFF REPORT DATED JUNE 8, 2026. CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 2 DATED MAY 15, 2026, NOTING APPROVAL OF A ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR SF1 A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING FOR FOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AS PRESENTED TONIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON 7B. MOTION CARRIES 7 0. THOSE WILL BOTH GO TO SECOND READING IN AUGUST.

NEXT UP WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM 8A. THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENTS LAST.

[9.B. Consider a driveway variance to allow 2150 E. Dove Road to construct a single driveway onto E. Dove Road in lieu of constructing a shared driveway required as part of the plat approval for F. Throop No. 1511, Lots 57R and 58R.]

ITEM 9A. WE MOVED FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVE THAT ITEM THE RESTORATION CHURCH SIGNS. SO NEXT UP WILL BE ITEM 9B.

CITY COUNCIL THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE APPROVAL OF A COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT AND DRIVEWAY THAT WAS MADE PART OF THE PLAT. THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR TWO LOT SUBDIVISION ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2150 EAST OF WHICH IS THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE VARIANCE BEING REQUESTED THIS EVENING AND THAT SUBDIVISION PLATTE ALSO INCLUDED LOT AT 2117 EAST OF JUST TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THIS LOT. THIS IS THAT APPROVED SUBDIVISION PLAT LOT 58R IS2150. LOT 57R IS IS AT 2117. A SINGLE DRIVEWAY WAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO BOTH LOTS AT THE TIME JUST GIVEN THE FLAG LOT THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THIS SUBDIVISION AND THEN SPACING FROM A COMMERCIAL DRIVE LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THIS AND THE PROXIMITY OF POTENTIAL DRIVE ON THE OTHER LOT ALLOCATED FOR FUTURE BUILDING SITE. THIS IS THE COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WAS PLACED ON THE LOT AND THEN LATER ADJUSTED BY THE AMENDED PLAT THAT IS REFLECTED BY THIS PLAT I'M PRESENTING THIS EVENING. THIS IS THE PLOT PLAN FOR THE LOT LOCATED AT 2117 ON 57R. IT INCLUDED A SINGLE DRIVEWAY ACCESSING THE LOT AND THIS IS THE PLOT PLAN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED FOR LOT 2150 WHICH CONFIGURED A COMMON DRIVE THAT WOULD.

EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHY THIS IS SKIPPING AROUND ON ME, BUT IT PROPOSED A COMMON DRIVE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE EXISTING DRIVE TO THE WEST OF IT, ROUGHLY RUNNING PARALLEL TO EAST DOVE AND MAKING A CONNECTION WITH THE DRIVE CONSTRUCTED TO THE WEST. THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE WITH WHERE

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THE DRIVE WAS CONSTRUCTED AND HOW. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE DESIGN LAYOUT OF THEIR HOME. THEY FEEL THEY WOULD BETTER BENEFIT FROM A SINGLE DRIVE SERVING THEIR LOT ONLY AND THEREFORE BEFORE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THE CONDITION OF THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAQUE AND REQUEST APPROVAL OF A SINGLE ACCESS DRIVE SERVING THEIR LOT. THIS IS A PROPOSED EXHIBIT SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED ACCESS DRIVE WOULD BE ROUGHLY 90FT FROM THE EXISTING DRIVE TO THE WEST OF THEM AND 150FT TO THE COMMERCIAL DRIVE FROM THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

DISTANCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL DRIVES AND OTHER DRIVEWAYS ON AN ARTERIAL STREET ARE REQUIRED TO BE A MINIMUM OF 100FT.

COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS ARE REQUIRED TO BE SEPARATED AT 250FT BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW SHOWS THE PROPOSED DRIVE LOCATION. AND THESE ARE SOME EXISTING SITE PHOTOS. IF THE COMMON ACCESS DRIVE IS TO BE CONNECTED HERE. THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER AT 2117 HAS CONSTRUCTED SOME GATE IMPROVEMENTS AND FENCES THAT ARE PROHIBITIVE AND WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT IN THIS LOCATION. THERE ARE ALSO SOME UTILITIES IN THIS VICINITY THAT A PROPOSED COMMON DRIVE WOULD HAVE TO AVOID OR POTENTIALLY RELOCATE AS PART OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. IF IT CANNOT BE AVOIDED. HERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS AS CONSTRUCTION HAS PROGRESSED ON 2150. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED THAT SHOWS ONE POTENTIAL OPTION FOR CONSTRUCTING THE COMMON USE DRIVE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY REQUIRED WITH THE PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED. AND THIS, THIS CONFIGURATION HERE IS SOMEWHAT REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW THE PLOT PLAN WAS APPROVED. JUST THIS EVENING. PRIOR TO THE MEETING, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS JUST TO SHOW THE LOOK THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE FRONT OF THEIR HOME. I WILL ADD FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THE PLACEMENT OF THE FENCING AND GATE WOULD NEED TO BE OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND ANY GATE CONSTRUCTED IN THIS CONFIGURATION WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT GATE TO BE SET BACK ENOUGH THAT A FULL SIZE VEHICLE OR DELIVERY TRUCK COULD COMPLETELY GET OFF OF EAST DOVE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT DELIVERY TO THE.

TO THE RESIDENTS.

AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT'S ALSO HERE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS WELL.

DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH? ALL RIGHT, APPRECIATE THAT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON DOWN THE OFFICE. STATE YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO AHEAD.

MY NAME IS AVI POONAWALA, 2150 EAST DUFF ROAD. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR VARIOUS REQUESTS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR PERSONAL HOME.

WE'RE NOT A BUILDER.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I THINK ERIC SAID HE HAD SOME QUESTIONS, SO WE JUST WANTED TO BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

GOOD, THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD. DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I GUESS JUST KIND OF A RECONFIRMATION. SO ORIGINALLY, WHEN Y' ALL HAD THE APPROVED PLAT IN THE PERMITS, IT WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A SHARED DRIVE, RIGHT? YES, GOT IT.

SO I GUESS LIKE MY BIGGEST

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PIECE WAS ORIGINALLY BASED ON WHAT WAS GRANTED. THERE'S THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'D BE A SHARED DRIVE, BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS KIND OF GOING AGAINST WHAT WAS PROMISED. SO YOU KIND OF MADE A PROMISE THAT YOU UTILIZE THE SHARED DRIVE TO CREATE THAT DRIVEWAY FOR YOUR HOME.

BUT TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT A DIRECT CUT TO DUMP ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND LET ME EXPLAIN KIND OF WHY WE ASKED FOR THIS.

RIGHT. SO, OKAY, SO YOU SEE THIS LIGHT BLUE? SO THAT'S WHAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL. WAS ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED.

BUT WHEN WE CAME TO BUILD IT, THERE'S THIS EXISTING GATE THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S.

THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO BUILD THIS WITHOUT BREAKING THIS DOWN.

AND YOU SEE AT THE BACK OVER HERE, THAT'S WHERE THE NEIGHBOR'S ELECTRIC METER IS MOUNTED. SO FOR US TO BUILD THIS, RIGHT. IF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, I CAN BREAK DOWN HIS GATE. SO I'M GONNA NEED THEM TO COOPERATE WITH US.

AND TAKING THE ELECTRIC MEANS METER OUT MEANS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE DAYS OF THEM NOT HAVING POWER IN THEIR HOUSE. I MEAN, IT'S A BIG JOB. AND THEN ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FOREVER HOME. WE WANT IT TO BE LIKE REALLY BEAUTIFUL. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THIS WOULD DESCRIBE WOULD LOOK MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL. ALSO THE ORIGINAL PLAN KIND OF LOOKS LIKE ODD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE A GATE LIKE THAT. IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A PLAIN IRON THING. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE REQUEST. AND LIKE TO NOT BREAK THIS DOWN. SO WE TRIED LOOKING AT IT A BUNCH OF WAYS TO MAKE THIS TURN BEFORE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE RADIUS OF THE TURN IS TOO SHORT, SO YOU CAN'T GET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO APPROVE IT. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT FROM A SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. YOU THINK THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO GET TO YOUR PROPERTY. NOT JUST AN AGREE TO A VERBAL, BUT LIKE, WHEN WAS THAT GATE BUILT RELATIVE TO WHEN YOUR HOUSE WAS BUILT? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, 80% DONE. NO, THIS WAS THE HOUSE BEHIND WHEN IT WAS BUILT. THIS WAS THERE LIKE, WELL BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY, SO AT THE TIME OF DESIGNING CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNEW THAT WASN'T AN OPTION. I MEAN, IT COULD BE, BUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED BUILDING THE HOUSE AND AT ONE POINT WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S NOW TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE DRIVEWAY.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WELL, JUST LIKE, HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK? IT'S GOING TO BE SUCH A WEIRD TURN. AND THEN, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD COME TO THE CITY INITIALLY. HE'S LIKE, THIS IS JUST SO ODD.

LIKE, HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THIS TURN? AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TELLING THEM.

AND THEN I THINK WITH DENNIS, WE REALIZED THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT BUILT TO WHERE THE PLAN SHOWED IT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SEQUENCE OF EVENT OF HOW WE KIND OF FIGURED IT OUT.

WAS THERE A DIFFERENT DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION OR DID YOU GUYS JUST MAKE THE DRIVEWAY THAT YOU HAVE UP AFTER THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED? HAS THIS ALWAYS BEEN THE, YOU KNOW, GIANT DRIVEWAY WITH A TOWN CENTER OR WHATEVER STATUE IN THE MIDDLE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING? NO.

NO. SO THE INITIAL PLAN WAS THIS ONE OVER THERE.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S WHERE OUR CHANGE IS THAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW THE APPROACH WOULD BE.

AND SINCE THEN, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, THAT GOT CHANGED. SO WHEN WAS THAT? I WOULD SAY A FEW MONTHS AGO.

SO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DID WE DECIDE TO CHANGE LIKE THIS PART OR IS IT THIS PART? WELL, NO, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, I THINK IS THAT WHERE THE CURSOR IS NOW, YOUR BIG DRIVEWAY, THAT'S THERE.

THAT WASN'T PART OF YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN OF BUILDING A HOUSE. THERE WAS AN APPROACH THAT WOULD HAVE UTILIZED THE SHARED DRIVEWAY TO APPROACH THE HOUSE.

BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES, YOU DESIGNED WHAT YOU WANTED FOR DRIVEWAY CHANGED.

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SO WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS WE NEED TO POUR THE CONCRETE TO KIND OF GET THINGS MOVING.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE BUILT IT SO THEN YOU COULD BUILD THE DRIVEWAY HERE.

AND LIKE, WE FULLY KNOW THAT ONE OF THESE IS NOT GOING TO BE CORRECT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND CUT IT AND MAKE IT CORRECT. AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT A CONNECTION TO THE ROAD ON EITHER WAYS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO SAY.

WE WERE WAITING FOR AN APPROVAL FROM YOU. SO THAT'S KIND OF. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? YEAH. SO WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO DRASTICALLY COULD CHANGE WHAT IT WAS ON THERE.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE.

GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT HAS THE ORIGINAL ON THERE. THIS RIGHT HERE. SO THE DOTTED LINE, THE DOTTED LIGHT BLUE LINE IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY.

DENNIS, IS MAYBE FOR YOU OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT WHAT. GO BACK TO THAT. IT MOVES BY ITSELF.

THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED.

THE DOTTED LINE IS THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE. THE EASEMENT, HOW IT PLOTS OUT IN PROXIMITY TO THE LOT BOUNDARIES. AND THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER WHERE THEY PLACED THAT EASEMENT. AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR THEY CONSTRUCTED THEIR DRIVEWAY WITHIN THE CENTER OF THAT EASEMENT.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT NOW THEY DID. THEY SHOULD HAVE. THEY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND BACKED THEIR GATE UP AND BACKED THEIR ELECTRICAL UP. LIKE, LITERALLY. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO GET WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

IT'S REALLY YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROBLEM. THEY SCREWED UP. THEY PUT THAT GATE. THEY PUT THEIR ELECTRICAL BOX RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EASEMENT.

YOU GUYS HAVE GOT LEGAL ACCESS TO THAT. YOU'VE BUILT YOUR DRIVEWAY THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD IT. LOOKS LIKE NOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT. AND I THINK JUST WE AS ACCOUNTS HAVE TO DECIDE DO WE MAKE HIS NEIGHBOR TEAR UP HIS GATE AND FIX IT AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, OR DO WE GET ONE OFF AND DONE? IS THAT A PRETTY GOOD SUMMARY OF WHAT LIFE IS? AND I HAVE TO SAY, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED. AND DENNIS, CAN YOU GO FORWARD TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW? NOT TO. NOT TO THE RENDERING, BUT.

NO, I WANT TO SEE WHERE THE ACTUAL SLAB IS POURED.

OH, OKAY.

THERE. DON'T GO BACK HOME. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO GET A DRIVEWAY OFF DOVE.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY PREPARATION FOR DRIVEWAY OFF WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT.

NO, THAT'S.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY. OKAY. BUT IS THAT OUR PROBLEM? BUT I MEAN, THIS. THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW. I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS NEIGHBOR? NO.

AND SO WHEN. WHEN I'D ASKED HIM, IT WAS QUITE.

QUITE A WHILE AGO, AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, GATE IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

YEAH, BUT AT THAT TIME, I DIDN'T HAVE DRAWINGS OR.

SO THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS APPROACH THAT YOU HAVE HERE IS TO BE WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

THAT'S IF YOU HAVE TO FIX IT AND NOT TEAR DOWN THE GATE IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE, RIGHT? YES. SO EVEN IF WE DID.

EVEN IF WE DID THIS. SO ACTUALLY WHERE THAT LITTLE ENTRY IS HERE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IT.

YEAH, THAT'S ONE.

I THINK YOU'RE POURING RIGHT THERE. OR YOU POURED RIGHT THERE.

SO, I MEAN, THE POOR. WE GET IT NO MATTER WHAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO IT WITH ALIGNMENT, BUT REDO REDOING IT TO WHICHEVER PLAN WE DECIDE. I THINK WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

JUST IMAGINE US TRYING TO ASK NEIGHBORS TO TAKE DOWN THEIR GATE. I CAN'T BREAK IT.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE QUITE A MESS. WELL, THEN IT'S IN AN INSTANT.

IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT.

I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S YOUR RIGHT BUILDER BE.

THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION.

THEY CAN TELL YOU NO ALL DAY LONG, AND SOMEONE CAN DRIVE THERE AND JUST TAKE A SKETCH OF YOUR DAY OUT THEIR GATE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE INTERNET IS.

WE WOULD TRY NOT TO.

I'M GOING TO BE HONEST TO ME, IT'S A SINGLE HOME. WE'RE NOT GIVING ACCESS. THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T CHANGE THE TRAFFIC IN AND OFF OF DOVE 1OZ WHERE IT COMES IN OR ANYTHING. I'M FINE WITH THE EASEMENT AND JUST

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PULLING OFF DUB BEING DONE, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT WITH THE OTHER GUY THAT. HEY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN IN THE FUTURE, I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT I'M OKAY WITH. WELL, AND I SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I SAID I WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

NOT JUST. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE TIMELINE, THIS WAS A SINGLE OWNER AND THEN THEY REPLATTED IT AND THEY PUT THE LOT, THE FLAG LOT IN THE BACK. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS LOT, BUT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY DID. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY ENDED UP WITH.

AND NOW I LOOK AT THIS EVEN WORSE BECAUSE OF THE POINT THAT HIS NEIGHBOR DIDN'T EVEN PUT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE COMMON ACCESS EAST. SO THAT MEANS MORE CONCRETE HAS TO REPORT. ALL THAT STUFF HAS TO BE TORE OUT. UTILITIES HAVE TO BE TORN OUT. SO I MEAN, TO ME, THE EASY BUTTON IS TO LET HIM EXTEND HIS DRAFT ON THE TUBES. AND I'M IN YOUR CAMP.

AGREE.

MY ONLY POINT IS THAT JUST IN GENERAL, IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT AND YOU DO IT AND THEN YOU GET FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION.

AND ARE WE SENDING THAT MESSAGE OUT TO THE CITY AND THAT.

THAT'S MY CONCERN, WHETHER IT BE THIS GUY OR HE'S ASKING FOR THIS GUY OR THE OTHER GUY.

THE OTHER GUY. THAT'S THAT GUY THAT NEEDS FORGIVENESS. THAT EVEN HERE.

IT'S TRUE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS MAKING AS MUCH AS IT WAS SOMETHING HE INHERITED.

HE INHERITED.

THAT'S ALSO PART OF DOING YOUR HOMEWORK TOO.

IS IT REALLY? WELL, I'D CALL FOR A NOTE IF I WERE.

ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 9B. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON 9B? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 9B. COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION ON 9B? I DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I GET THEIR PAIN, SO I'M IN.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 9C.

I WISH WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 9. WE CONSIDER A DRIVEWAY VARIANCE TO ALLOW 2150 EAST OF ROAD TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE DRIVEWAY ONTO EAST DOVE ROAD IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTING A SHARED DRIVEWAY REQUIRED AS PART OF THE FLAT APPROVAL FOR F THROUGH NUMBER 1511, LOTS 57R AND 58R SUBJECT TO STAFF MEMO DATED 06-08-2026 NOTING THE FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE DRIVEWAY ONTO EAST BATH ROAD IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTING A SHARED DRIVEWAY JOINING TO NOTATE THAT EASY.

ANY GATE MUST BE APPROPRIATE SETBACK FROM DOVE TO ALLOW FULL SIZE.

YEAH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT JUST FOR CLARITY, SINCE THAT WAS ONE OF THE EXHIBITS THEY PROVIDED US THIS EVENING.

YES, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT ANY GATE MUST HAVE AN APPROPRIATE SETBACK FOR A FULL SIZE VEHICLE TO COME COMPLETELY OFF OF DOVE PRIOR TO REACHING THE GATE ACCESS.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? CAST YOUR VOTES ON 9B.

ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTE. AND FOR DIRECTOR KILO, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS EASEMENT NOW? DOES IT JUST REMAIN IN PERPETUITY? YEAH, THE EASEMENT CAN REMAIN.

AND IF ONE OR BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS WANTS TO REMOVE WHAT IS WITHIN THEIR LOT BOUNDARY AT THIS POINT, THEY COULD CERTAINLY THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

BUT LET'S SAY LEAVE IT. AND THEY CAN. THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO TEAR NON TECHNIQUE IF THEY WANT TO.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, CONTINUE VOTING ON 9B FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT. THAT

[10.A. Discuss regulations for e-bikes and motorized scooters. ]

ONE. THE MOTION CARRIES SIX TO ONE. 9B IS APPROVED.

CONGRATULATIONS. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 10A.

I'LL RECOGNIZE POLICE CHIEF ASHLEY CASEY. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS REGULATIONS FOR E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP MORE AS THE SUMMER MONTHS HAVE STARTED. AND CHIEF CASEY'S GOING TO BRIEF US ON SOME IDEAS, SOME POSSIBLE REGULATIONS AND WHAT SOME OF OUR NEW NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE DONE ON THIS ISSUE.

CHIEF CASEY, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING MEMBERS, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO DISCUSS ITEM 10A TO DISCUSS REGULATIONS FOR E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT IS TO SEEK COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOCAL REGULATIONS FOR E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS OPERATING WITHIN OUR CITY. SO SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT WE SEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN RIDERS OPERATING E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS ON ROADWAYS AND IN PUBLIC SPACES. SOME OF THESE RIDERS ARE ON THE YOUNGER SIDE AND LESS EXPERIENCED. WE'VE ALSO OBSERVED AN INCREASE IN CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT RIDING BEHAVIOR, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND LIMITED PARENTAL OVERSIGHT

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OF THESE YOUNG RIDERS. SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION I WANT TO INCLUDE A COUPLE OF BRIEF DEFINITIONS OUTLINED IN STATE LAW FOR E BIKES AND SCOOTERS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. SO TEXAS LAW DEFINES AN E BIKE AS A BICYCLE EQUIPPED WITH FULLY OPERABLE PEDALS, AN ELECTRIC 750 WATT MOTOR OR LESS, AND THE TOP ASSISTED SPEED OF UP TO 28 MILES PER HOUR. IT ALSO DEFINES CLASSES OF THE E BIKES BASED ON THE TOP ASSISTED SPEEDS AND HOW THE MOTOR INTERACTS WITH THOSE PEDALS. SO FOR INSTANCE, CLASS 1 IS A PEDAL ASSIST ONLY WITH A TOP ASSISTED SPEED UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR. CLASS 02, THROTTLE ASSIST UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR. CLASS 3 IS A MOTOR ASSIST AND IT OPERATES ANYWHERE FROM 20 MILES PER HOUR UP TO 28 MILES PER HOUR. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER CAVEAT IN STATE LAW FOR CLASS 3E BIKES, WHICH REQUIRES OR HAS A PROVISION THAT REQUIRES THE RIDER TO BE AGE 15 YEARS OR OLDER. THESE BIKES IN PARTICULAR ON THE CLASS 3 ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPEEDOMETER WITH THEM. I'LL OUTLINE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROVISIONS FOR THE E BIKES. THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE A LABEL THAT LABELS THEM AS AN E BIKE WITH SPECIFIC SPECIFICATIONS, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE EBIKE, ETC. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE BIKES OR THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED AS E BIKES TO US ARE ACTUALLY NOT E BIKES.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY OTHER THINGS THAT ARE CLASSIFIED OTHER WAYS, SUCH AS POCKET BIKES, MINI MOTORBIKES, AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY UNDER STATE LAW, ILLEGAL TO OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY IN PUBLIC AREAS. SO PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SIDEWALKS, OTHER PUBLIC SPACES. THE ONLY PLACE THAT POCKET BIKES OR MANY MOTORBIKES CAN BE OPERATED IS ACTUALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH THE OWNER PERMISSION. SO AS FAR AS OUR ELECTRIC SCOOTERS OR MOTOR ASSISTED SCOOTERS, THEY'RE DEFINED AS A SELF PROPELLED DEVICE WITH AT LEAST TWO WHEELS IN CONTACT WITH THE GROUND DURING OPERATION. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BRAKING SYSTEM.

THEY'RE EITHER GAS OR MOTOR, ELECTRIC MOTOR NOT EXCEEDING 40 CUBIC CENTIMETERS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A DECK DESIGNED EITHER SIDE, STAND OR SIT WHILE THEY'RE BEING OPERATED. AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE PROPELLED BY HUMAN POWER ALONE. AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC CLARIFICATION IN STATE LAW THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE A POCKET BIKE OR A MINI MOTORBIKE.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE ONLY PERMISSIBLE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO STATE LAW DOES ESTABLISH OTHER PROVISIONS IN ADDITION TO THESE DEFINITIONS, BASICALLY WHERE E BIKES AND MOTOR ESCOOTERS CAN OPERATE IN PUBLIC UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT FURTHER RESTRICT THAT. THEY ALSO OUTLINE THE RULES OF THE ROAD AND HOW E BIKES AND MOTOR ESCOOTERS TO BE OPERATED ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT REGULAR BICYCLES, E BIKES ARE TREATED MUCH LIKE REGULAR BICYCLES WHEN IT COMES TO OPERATING ON THE ROADWAYS.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE TO OBEY ALL YOUR TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. YOU HAVE TO STOP AT STOP SIGNS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THAT KIND OF THING. YOU ALSO HAVE TO OPERATE ON THE RIGHTMOST SIDE OF THE ROAD. YOU CAN'T IMPEDE TRAFFIC. YOU MUST SIGNAL YOUR INTENTION TO TURN. AND IF YOU'RE OPERATING THESE VEHICLES AT NIGHT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEADLAMP OR A LAMP ON THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE AND AT LEAST A REFLECTOR ON THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. AS FAR AS MOTORIZED SCOOTERS OR MOTOR SCOOTERS ARE INVOLVED, THEY CAN OPERATE ON BIKE PATHS, SIDEWALKS, AND ON ROADWAYS. THE CAVEAT WITH MOTORIZED SCOOTERS IS THAT THEY CAN'T OPERATE ON ROADWAYS THAT ARE OVER 35 MILES PER HOUR. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE LIKE RESIDENTIAL STREETS FOR THEM. THEY CAN ALSO OPERATE ON YOUR SIDEWALKS. IF THEY'RE OPERATING THE ROADWAY MUCH LIKE BICYCLES, THEY'RE TREATED THE SAME. THEY HAVE TO OBEY ALL OF YOUR TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. SO, IN ADDITION TO STATE LAW, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES DO HAVE SOME AUTHORITY TO FURTHER REGULATE E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS IN PUBLIC AREAS, ALTHOUGH THE SCOPE OF THAT AUTHORITY DIFFERS SOMEWHAT FOR EACH. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LOCAL AUTHORITIES MAY ENHANCE SAFETY EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND PROHIBIT THE USE OF CERTAIN EQUIPMENT OR DEVICES WHILE OPERATING E BIKES. SO THINK ABOUT HEADPHONES, EARBUDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THEY CAN ALSO ESTABLISH SPEED LIMITS ON PADS SET ASIDE FOR EXCLUSIVE OPERATION OF BIKES. SO DEDICATED BIKE PADS AND OTHER PADS WHERE BIKES MAY BE OPERATED. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS TO THAT AUTHORITY WHEN IT COMES TO E BIKES. A LOCAL AUTHORITY MAY NOT PROHIBIT AN E BIKE OPERATION ON A ROADWAY WHERE MOTOR VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED OR IN OTHER AREAS WHERE NON ELECTRIC BIKES ARE ALLOWED. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE SIDEWALKS. IF YOU'RE ALLOWING REGULAR BICYCLES TO OPERATE ON SIDEWALKS,

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YOU CAN'T PRECLUDE AN E BIKE FROM OPERATING ON THE SIDEWALK.

FOR MOTORIZED SCOOTERS, LOCAL AUTHORITIES HAVE A BROADER REGULATORY AUTHORITY. YOU CAN REGULATE OR RESTRICT MOTORIZED SCOOTERS USE ON STREETS, HIGHWAYS, OR SIDEWALKS FOR SAFETY REASONS. IF YOU CAN ARTICULATE THE SAFETY REASONS, YOU CAN ALSO DESIGNATE SPECIFIC AREAS WHERE SCOOTER USE IS RESTRICTED OR PROHIBITED.

THINKING LIKE MUNICIPAL FACILITIES AND PROPERTY, DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS, PEDESTRIAN HEAVIER CORRIDORS OR ENVIRONMENTS. AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE'VE DONE VERSUS WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER LOCAL CITIES ARE DOING.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE FOCUSED ON EDUCATION, OUTREACH TO YOUTH AND PARENTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

SOME OF OUR EDUCATION EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES INCLUDE THINGS LIKE EDUCATIONAL POSTS AND VIDEOS ABOUT EBIKE SAFETY ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS.

WE ACTUALLY COLLABORATED WITH FORMER COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMSON ON THE SOUTH LAKE CITY SPOTLIGHT ON EVAC SAFETY. WE'VE HOSTED A PARENTAL EDUCATIONAL FORUM ON EVAC SAFETY IN THE FALL OF 2025. WE'VE CREATED A WEBPAGE RESOURCE ON PROTECT SOUTHLAKE. IT PROVIDES INFORMATION ABOUT E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS AS WELL AS OTHER MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES.

AND WE'VE INCORPORATED E BIKE AND SAFETY SCOOTER EDUCATION INTO OUR ANNUAL POLICE AND FIRE YOUTH ACADEMY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOING ON THIS WEEK.

WE'VE ALSO CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS EDUCATION. SO WHEN WE RECEIVE CALLS FOR SERVICE OR IF AN OFFICER INVOLVES UNSAFE RIDING BEHAVIOR, THEY WILL ACTUALLY CONTACT THE RIDER.

AND IF THAT'S A JUVENILE, WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO CONTACT THEIR PARENTS AND EDUCATE THEM AS WELL. AS FAR AS WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING OVERALL, MANY ARE APPLYING THE EXISTING STATE LAWS, BUT SOME HAVE ALSO IMPLEMENTED LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT PRIMARILY FOCUS ON HELMET REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH E BIKES AND SCOOTER RIDERS, RESTRICTING THE USE OF HEADPHONES, OTHER DEVICES THAT CAN CAUSE DISTRACTION TO EARBUDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, REGULATION OF THE MOTORIZED SCOOTERS IN CERTAIN PUBLIC AREAS SO PEDESTRIAN HEAVY DISTRICTS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS, WALKING TRAILS, SOME SPEED REGULATION OF E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS AND THEN ALSO INCORPORATING PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OPERATION OF THE E BIKE MOTORIZED SCOOTER OR IN THE INSTANCES OF THE MINIBIKES AND POPULATION BIKES THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, INCLUDING SOME PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT KELLER AND COLLEYVILLE ARE DOING WHEN YOU LOOK PREDOMINANTLY AT WHAT THEIR ORDINANCES STATE OR WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSED ON. KELLER'S ORDINANCE FOCUSES MOSTLY ON E BIKES. IT DOESN'T ADDRESS MOTORIZED SCOOTERS.

COLLEYVILLE'S ORDINANCE OVERSEAS OR LOOKS AT BOTH E BIKES AND MOTORIZED SCOOTERS AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER LOCAL AREAS THAT HAVE SOME OTHER PROVISIONS. SO IF YOUR DESIRE IS TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT WILL FOCUS ON CONSIDERATIONS THAT INCLUDE SAFETY MEASURES FOCUSED ON JUVENILE RIDERS, THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION AND OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE LOCAL RULES SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY, THE ROLE OF PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BALANCING SAFETY WITH MOBILITY AND RECREATION OPTIONS TO CONSIDER OPTION ONE INVOLVES NO CHANGES, WHICH MEANS THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO ENFORCE STATE LAW AND REGULATIONS WITH OUR ONGOING PUBLIC EDUCATION. OPTION TWO INVOLVES EXPLORING THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOCAL REGULATIONS WITH A DEFINED FOCUS AND PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU IN THE FUTURE. AND AGAIN, THIS PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS TO SEEK YOUR DIRECTION ON YOUR PREFERRED APPROACH AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

CHIEF CASEY YEAH, THIS ONE I STRUGGLE WITH. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN GETTING QUESTIONS, CALLS, TEXTS, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT E BIKES AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING, OR ALL THE ABOVE. SO I STRUGGLE WITH THIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OVER REGULATING OF IT. I MEAN THERE'S KIDS OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO WE WOULD BE RIDING OUR BIKES. AND SO I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAD ISSUES WITH THAT. SO I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH OVERDOING THE REGULATION PART AND HOW WE HAVE TO. HOW THEN WE PUT IT ON OUR POLICE TO ENFORCE IT. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT STATE LAW ON IT.

SO I STRUGGLE WITH THIS ONE. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

I'M JUST KIND OF UNDECIDED ON WHAT WE DO NEXT. I REALLY.

AFTER SEEING WHAT KELLER AND COLLEYVILLE DID, IS IT REALLY ADDING TO WHAT THE STATE LAWS ARE? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT COUNCILLOR, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ON THIS? I KNOW IT'S AT NIGHT.

SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, A CONSTITUENT SAID RECENTLY THAT IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS KILLED.

MY PERSPECTIVE IS WHY DON'T WE

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TALK ABOUT THIS AS IF THAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED? LET'S DO IT SO WE PREVENT IT. MY CONCERN IS WHAT I SEE KIDS DOING IS THEY'RE SO UNAWARE OF TRAFFIC RULES COMBINED WITH YOUTH AND THEY DO SOME OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE. FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO LICENSING REQUIREMENTS.

I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, BUT THEY JUST DON'T PAY ATTENTION.

IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY HAVE BEEN ALMOST HIT.

KIDS ARE POPPING WHEELIES.

THAT'S OUR MAIN FUNCTION IS CAN I POP A WHEELIE DOWN THIS ROAD GOING AS FAST AS I CAN GO? I JUST THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOME TEA TO IT.

UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK PARENTS ARE NOT THE. AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY LIKE MOST ISSUES LIKE THIS, PARENTS HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. NOW I DON'T HAVE A TEENAGER, SO I'M SURE OUR TEENAGE FOLKS WANT TO SPEAK HERE. BUT I'M CONCERNED SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET KILLED, TRULY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE COMMON SENSE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE SPEED, UNLIKE A BICYCLE.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT. I THINK THE, THE PROBLEM IS YOU'VE GOT KIDS THAT ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 16 THAT ARE BASICALLY DRIVING A MOTORIZED CAR. MOTORIZED VEHICLE AT THIS POINT THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF TEETH WE CAN PUT IN ON THIS DEAL. AND I THINK THERE'S A REASON YOU HAVE TO BE 16 TO DRIVE A CAR BECAUSE I THINK KIDS ARE CRAZY, BUT KIND OF LIKE RON WHITE SAYS, YOU CAN'T PICK STUPID. I MEAN, KIDS ARE GOING TO DO STUPID THINGS, AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET SEVERELY INJURED.

I'VE SEEN KIDS. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THEY WANT TO ACT LIKE THEY WANT TO OBEY THE PEDESTRIAN RULES WHEN IT'S EASIEST FOR THEM TO NOT STOP AT A STOP SIGN OR FLY PAST THE INTERSECTION. AND THEY WANT TO OBEY THE CAR RULES WHEN IT LETS THEM GO THE FASTEST AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THE STREET.

BUT I HAVE A FEELING YOU'RE ALREADY ENFORCING THAT IF YOU SEE IT, BECAUSE THAT'S A STATE RULE.

SO YOU CAN'T, LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REGULATE WHEELIES. YOU CAN'T TELL THEM THEY CAN'T POP WHEELIES, CAN YOU? I MEAN, IT MAY FALL UNDER RECKLESS DRIVING DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT.

YEAH, YEAH, IT'S. I MEAN, I'D BE OKAY WITH SEEING WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, BUT I DOUBT ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE PROBABLY.

THAT WAS KIND OF THE DIRECTION I WAS THINKING. I'D LIKE. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOUR. WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND WHAT YOU MIGHT RECOMMEND. I MEAN, MAYBE HELMETS FOR UNDER 15 OR 15 AND UNDER WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

MAYBE. MAYBE THAT'S ENOUGH TO SAVE A LIFE. I MEAN, THEY MAKE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, DON'T THE YOUNGER DRIVERS HAVE TO WEAR HELMETS ON A MOTORCYCLE STILL? OR DO THEY GET RID OF THAT? IT JUST.

I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR OPTIONS. I MEAN, TO THE POINT OF IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT AND THAT'S. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU'RE CATCHING THEM. I'VE SEEN THEM ON SHADY OAKS. I SEE THEM ON SEVERAL. 1709. THEY'RE HERE AND THEY'RE GONE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST ZIPPING DOWN THE ROAD. SOMETIMES FOUR OR SIX OF THEM TOGETHER. SO, YOU KNOW HOW IF I CALL THE POLICE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. SO I SEE YOUR STRUGGLE, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING WHAT OUR OPTIONS MIGHT BE.

I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THE OPTIONS AS WELL. I MEAN, I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED A NUMBER OF THINGS. I MEAN, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, I'VE SEEN THE WHEELIES GOING DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CARS EXITING THE SCHOOL.

AND I'VE SEEN OUR OFFICERS PULL THOSE KIDS OVER AS WELL, WHICH IS GREAT. I'VE SEEN THE STICKERS GET CHANGED FIRSTHAND TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A 750 WATT BIKE WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY A SAURON. I'VE SEEN PARENTS UPSET THAT THEY BOUGHT A FOUR THOUSAND DOLLAR BIKE FOR THEIR KID, IT GOES SIXTY SOMETHING MILES AN HOUR AND NOW THEY'RE ANGRY BECAUSE THEIR KID CAN'T RIDE IT BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN. I'VE EVEN SEEN SEEING FAKE PEDALS PUT ON THE SIDES OF SOME OF THESE BICYCLES TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A PEDAL TYPE OF BIKE TOO. SO I DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF OPTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THEM, BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS COME UP WITH IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAN HELP.

I'M ALSO IN AGREEMENT.

WE'D LOVE TO SEE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AND WONDERING BY THE CHANCE IF OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO CATCH SOME OF THOSE RIDERS, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAKE SOME OF THE ENFORCEMENT OR PUNISHMENT MORE SEVERE, NOT ONLY FOR THEM,

[8.A. Resolution No. 26-022, appointing members, chairs and/or vice chairs to various positions on the Capital Improvement Advisory Commission, Building Board of Appeals, Parks and Recreation Board, Planning and Zoning Commission, Southlake Parks Development Corporation, and Zoning Board of Adjustments. (Part 1 of 2)]

BUT ALSO PARENTS AS WELL.

SO WE'LL TAKE THIS UP AGAIN AFTER THE SUMMER BREAK AT SOME POINT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

APPRECIATE THAT.