[00:00:01] ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET THIS GOING. GOOD [1. Call to Order. ] EVENING, EVERYBODY. UH, WELCOME TO CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, UH, CHAMBERS HERE IN, UH, CITY HALL. UH, WE'RE STARTING A LITTLE LATE HERE, SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT. MEETING TYPICALLY STARTS AROUND 6:30, IT'S 6:35, UH, P. M. UH, MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, AND I'M HERE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WELCOME, UH, TO MANY OF YOU. I SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES AND MAYBE SOME NEWER ONES IN THE GALLERY, SO, UM, WHAT I TYPICALLY LIKE TO DO IS TRY TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION IN TERMS OF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PROCESS WILL RUN TONIGHT, SO HOPEFULLY THIS CAN BE HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY. UM, HERE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE ARE FOCUSED ON, UH, WHICHEVER CASES COME IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING, AND I THINK THERE'LL BE AN AGENDA, UH, BACK THERE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'LL HAVE, UM, ON THE BACK TABLE, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT. UH, REALLY THERE ARE JUST 3 AGENDA ITEMS, UH, THIS EVENING. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE UP, UM, ITEM 9, THE LAST ONE, TO THE FRONT OF THE I- AGENDA IN FRONT OF 06, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIRLY QUICK CASE, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT ONE, UM, HERE IN A SECOND. UM, SO WE FO- BASICALLY FOCUS ON EITHER LAND USE REQUESTS, UM, CHANGES, UH, ZONING ITEMS, UM, OR SITE PLAN REQUESTS FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. SO THAT'S, WE HAVE A FAIRLY, UH, KIND OF NARROW, UH, LIMITED GOVERNMENT FOCUS, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, CAN BE A GOOD THING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DESCRIBE KIND OF WHAT IT IS THIS BODY WILL WEIGH ON, WEIGH IN ON THIS EVENING. UM, TYPICALLY THE WAY WE APPROACH THEM IS FOR EACH ITEM WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION, UM, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK STAFF, UM, ANY QUESTIONS DURING THAT PART. UM, WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, AND AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THIS BODY, TO KIND OF ASK THE APPLICANT ANY QUESTIONS. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE MIGHT DELIBERATE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SESSION. UM, AND THAT'LL BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORTH, UM, AND MAKE YOUR VIEWS KNOWN. UM, THERE ARE COMMENT CARDS IN THE BACK, UM, THAT, UH, YOU CAN FILL OUT IF YOU'D LIKE. UH, WE HAVE SOME OF THEM UP HERE ALREADY, AND THE OPTIONS THERE ARE IF YOU, UH, WANT TO REGISTER EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR AN ITEM, YOU CAN FILL THAT OUT, UM, AND WE'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD IF YOU WOULD PREFER NOT TO COME UP AND SPEAK, UM, AND OR IF YOU'D PREFER TO SPEAK, WE CAN HAVE THE COMMENT CARD, WE'LL CALL THEM IN ORDER, UH, OR IF YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, THAT'S FINE TOO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO COME UP AND SPEAK. AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO TO BE KIND OF CONSIDERATE OF EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, UM, IS WE'LL HAVE KIND OF AN UP TO 3 MINUTE LIGHT. THIS IS A STANDARD PROCEDURE WE'VE HAD FOR YEARS. YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE DAIS THERE, WHERE THE LIGHT WILL BE GREEN FOR THE FIRST 2 MINUTES, UM, YELLOW FOR KIND OF DURING THE THIRD MINUTE, AND AFTER 3 MINUTES, A LITTLE RED LIGHT STARTS BLINKING. SO THAT'S WHEN I'D ASK IF YOU COULD PLEASE WRAP YOUR COMMENTS UP, JUST IN CONSIDERATION OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT, THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. AND GENERALLY WE'VE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 3 MINUTES YOU CAN USUALLY KIND OF SALIENTLY KIND OF MAKE YOUR POINTS ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. UM, AND THE ITEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU SPEAK, OBVIOUSLY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY WHAT YOU'D LIKE, UM, BUT I COULD JUST TELL YOU THAT THE, THE COMMENTS THAT'S HELPFUL FOR THIS BODY ARE THE ONES THAT PERTAIN TO THE LAND USE, ZONING, AND SITE PLAN OF A PARTICULAR ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR LIMITED GOVERNMENT FOCUS WITHIN THIS, WITHIN THIS ROOM. SO, UM, HOPEFULLY ALL THAT'S HELPFUL. I'LL GO THROUGH IT AGAIN, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE CITY ATTORNEY HERE THIS EVENING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I LEFT OUT OR YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON. UH, YEAH, WELCOME EVERYONE. UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD TO REMIND YOU THE LIMITED ROLE THAT P&Z HAS HERE. UM, THEY ONLY CONSIDER THE ITEMS THAT ARE POSTED. THEY'RE NOT HERE TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES. UM, AND EVEN IN CONSIDERING THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE POSTED, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE FACTORS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE, UH, CITY CODE. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEY WILL JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. SO THERE'S NO FINAL ACTION, UH, FROM THIS MEETING. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I DIDN'T GET TO THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY WILL LIKELY DO UNLESS AN APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT IT GET TABLED. UH, WE'LL DELIBERATE, WE'LL COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. UM, EITHER WAY, TYPICALLY THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, WHERE THE FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM FROM THIS EVENING'S MEETING WOULD BE ON NOVEMBER 3RD, SO YOU'D HAVE PLENTY MORE TIME TO, TO GET ANY THOUGHTS IN FROM THERE. AND TYPICALLY FOR A ZONING CASE OR A LAND USE AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A FIRST AND A SECOND READING, SO TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS, UM, FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT, THAT DO MOVE ON. UM, JUST A FEW OTHER QUICK LOGISTICS ITEMS. UM, THESE MEETINGS ARE, UH, SHOWN ONLINE LIVE, SO IF AT SOME POINT THIS EVENING YOU GET FATIGUED OF CITY GOVERNMENT AND YOU NEED TO LEAVE, UH, YOU CAN STILL WATCH IT, UM, ON YOUR PHONE OR AT HOME. UM, I THINK, UH, CITY STAFF SET UP AN OVERFLOW MEETING ACROSS THE HALLWAY THERE, SO I THINK THEY HAVE IT BROADCAST, SO IF YOU WANT [00:05:01] TO SIT OVER THERE AND THAT'S MORE COMFORTABLE, FEEL FREE. WHEN WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PARTICULAR ITEM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE SURE STAFF WILL MAKE SURE TO LET ANYBODY KNOW IF THEY WANT TO COME OVER AND MAKE A COMMENT, UH, THEY CAN. SO IT DOESN'T TAKE THE ABILITY, UH, FROM YOU TO MAKE A COMMENT. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, UM, ALL THE LOGISTIC ITEMS I HAD. I WILL, I WILL NOT BE PROVIDING, UH, LIVE UP SCORE UPDATES FROM THE COWBOYS GAME THIS EVENING. YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. I'M GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO MANAGE THE MEETING, UM, BUT, BUT HOPEFULLY GOOD NEWS THERE. SO, UM, WITH THAT, [3. Administrative Comments. ] I'LL TURN IT TO CITY STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS WE WANT TO HIT THIS EVENING. UH, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY'S CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE, WE, WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 19TH. THAT'S MONDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT, UH, 05:30 P.M.. AND THAT'S OCTOBER 19TH? IS THAT YES. OKAY. YES. AND THAT'S A CORRIDOR MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? [4. Chairman Comments. ] YES, CORRIDOR. OKAY, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, IF YOU ALL ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THAT MEETING WITHIN OUR CITY PROCESS, WHICH THIS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS THIS EVENING ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH, IT'S ON THE VERY FRONT END OF OUR PROCESS, AND IT'S JUST A HEARING WITH A CROSS-SECTION OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS, DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, JUST TO PROVIDE APPLICANTS VERY UPFRONT, EARLY FEEDBACK ON AN APPLICATION THAT THEY CAN THEREFORE TAKE AND KIND OF REFINE THEIR APPLICATION THAT GOES ALONG, SO YOU HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING. IT'S ACTUALLY AN EXTRA STEP AT THE VERY FRONT. SO THAT MEETING WILL BE ON, UM, OCTOBER 19TH. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID, DENNIS? OKAY. CORRECT, CHAIRMAN. OCTOBER 19TH. OKAY, THANK YOU. WELL, WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL START TO MOVE THROUGH OUR AGENDA HERE. UH, [5. Consider: Minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on September 17, 2026. ] WE'LL HIT ITEM NUMBER 5 ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, CONSIDERATION OF OUR, UH, MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE MINUTES AHEAD OF TIME AND HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. UH, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE CONSIDER A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR MEETING, UH, DATED SEPTEMBER THE 17TH, 2026. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. AND PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU. UH, NOW, LIKE I STATED, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE, [9. Consider: ZA26-0064, Preliminary Plat for The Runway on property described as Lots 2, 25, and 26, O.W. Knight No. 899 Addition, and Tract 1A05, J.W. Hale Survey Abstract No. 803, and located at 940-944 S. Carroll Avenue and 1000-1040 Breeze Way. Current Zoning: “SF-20A” Single Family Residential District. Applicant: David Lewis, Spry Surveyors. Property Owner: Chad Ray, Tribest. SPIN Neighborhood #9. PUBLIC HEARING] UM, ITEM NUMBER 9 UP ON OUR AGENDA. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT ITEM FIRST. IT'S CONSIDERATION OF ZA26-0064 PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE RUNWAY. UH, WE'LL EXPLAIN IN A SECOND WHY WE'RE MOVING THAT ONE UP. ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. UH, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE RUNWAY. UM, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT ON LOTS 02, 25, AND 26, UH, LOCATED AT 940 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE AND 1000, 1040 BREEZEWAY. HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. FUTURE LAND USE INDICATES MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. CURRENT ZONING IS SF-20A. STREET VIEW ONTO THE PROPERTY FROM 1275 SHADY OAKS. ANOTHER STREET VIEW, AND THEN A STREET VIEW FROM SOUTH CARROLL AND FROM BREEZEWAY. HERE IS THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR, SHOWING 6 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AVERAGE LOT SIZE JUST OVER 22,000 SQUARE FEET, AND A GROSS DENSITY OF 1.73. HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, CONFORMS WITH THAT APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS WELL AS THE TREE CONSERVATION THAT IS IN CONFORMANCE. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME UTILITY PLANS WITH THE DRAINAGE PLAN UP FIRST, THE GRADING PLAN, AND THEN THE UTILITY PLAN. UH, AS OF TODAY, WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE FROM OUTSIDE 300 WHO WAS IN OPPOSITION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, AND I KNOW STAFF CAN KIND OF JUMP IN HERE, BUT, UH, BASICALLY THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS DEEMED THAT ALL THESE PLATS ARE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED WITHIN 30 DAYS. THIS IS A VERY MINISTERIAL ACT, BUT WE STILL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT EFFECTIVELY OUR HANDS ARE REALLY TIED. THIS IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS FROM CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? CORRECT. I THINK THEY TWEAKED ONE OF THE BUILDING LINES ALONG BREEZEWAY, BUT OTHERWISE FULLY CONSISTENT WITH ALL PREVIOUS ZONING APPROVALS, CORRECT? YEP, CORRECT. CORRECT, AND AND THEY SUBMITTED AN UPDATED PLAT THAT REFLECTED THAT, AND SO, UH, THE DEVIATIONS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY NOTED IN THAT FIRST STAFF REPORT HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED. THE 25-FOOT BUILDING LINE WAS APPROVED ON, ALONG THE CARROLL FRONTAGE [00:10:01] WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ALL RIGHT, THANKS, DENNIS. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? UH, OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND COME UP? I'M NOT SURE WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT DO YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YEAH, DAVID LEWIS, PRICE SURVEYORS, 8241 MID CITIES BOULEVARD, NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, TEXAS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING? NO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WOULD BE, BUT THANK YOU. THEY PRESENT, MUST BE PRESENT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. UM, WITH THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 9 ON OUR AGENDA DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS. AND OKAY. YEAH, FEEL FREE TO COME ON UP. I'M SORRY. AND, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST THE WAY THIS WILL WORK, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS MASON SAEHI. I LIVE IN 880 SOUTH CARROLL AVENUE. UH, I'LL BE ADJACENT TO THE, I GUESS, AT LEAST TWO OF THE HOUSES IN THE, UH, NEW SUBDIVISION. UH, MY MAIN QUESTION IS IF THERE IS GONNA BE A STORM DRAIN ON THAT STREET, UH, WHETHER, UH, HOW IS THE DRAINAGE ON THOSE LOTS BEING ADDRESSED? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I ALREADY HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH MY, UH, LOT. UH, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE LOTS THAT BEING CREATED ARE NOT DRAINING INTO MY PROPERTY. THEY BE PRO- UH, MY QUESTION IS IF THEY'D BE DRAINING INTO THE, UH, FRONT STORM SEWER, AND ALSO MY OTHER QUESTION, IF THERE IS ANY CONSIDERATION FOR PRIVACY FENCE, BECAUSE AT LEAST, LIKE I SAID, TWO OF THE HOUSES WOULD BE BACK INTO MY, UH, OVERLOOKING MY PROPERTY. I WANT TO SEE IF THAT BEEN ADDRESSED OR NOT. OKAY, NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT TO THE PUBLIC HERE. THANK YOU. UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. UH, SEEING NO ONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, DENNIS, ON, ON THE, THE DRAINAGE QUESTION AND, I GUESS, FENCING, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, AND CITY COUNCIL, UM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY, WE DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPACT THAT WITH THOSE APPROVALS, IF I RECALL, ON THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LOCATION FOR THE SPECIFIC DRAINS, BUT I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH DRAINAGE A LOT ON THIS ONE, AND I THINK, IF ANYTHING, I THINK THE SITE WAS, UH, LEAVING THINGS BETTER THAN IT WAS ORIGINALLY. UH, YEAH, CLAY, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND JUST STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, AND JUST ADDRESS THAT. AND THIS, THIS IS THE APPLICANT, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS. UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. CLAY CRISTY. CLAYMOORE ENGINEERING, 3231 HARWOOD AVENUE. UM, WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR DETENTION AND DRAINAGE IN BOTH OF OUR SIDES HERE. UM, I'LL GO BACK ONE, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE FRONT HALF OF THE LOT DRAINS TO BREEZEWAY. THE SOUTHERN SOUTH GETS ONTO BREEZEWAY AND GOES SOUTH, AND THEN THAT NORTHEASTERN ONE HERE DRAINS TO BREEZEWAY AND GOES TO A CURB INLET THERE AT BREEZEWAY AND CARROLL. UM, THERE'S A LARGE, ESSENTIALLY FROM THE REAR OF THE CHURCH BACK, DRAINS TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND DRAINS THROUGH A PRIVATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER THERE. THROUGH P&Z AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE WORKED WITH THEM TO TRY TO FLIP SOME OF THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS. SO WHENEVER WE GO TO THIS HERE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS, IS NOW THERE'S ONLY A VERY LITTLE BIT THAT DRAINS BACK TOWARDS THE WEST, AND WE'RE WORKING TO REGRADE, AND WE'RE HAVING TO RE- REWORK THE DIRT WORK, AND WE'RE INSTALLING STORM DRAIN ALONG THE ROAD. WE HAVE DETENTION THAT IS GOING TO BE THERE, AND IT'LL BE ENCLOSED IN A STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT IS GOING TO GO BACK TO A CURB INLET THERE ALONG SOUTH CARROLL. UM, SO IT'LL ALL BE DETAINED. IT WON'T BE SHEET FLOW, UM, AND WE'LL BE PICKING MOST OF THAT UP. OKAY. YEAH, I REMEMBER SOME OF THAT. PLANNING AND ZONING CASE. MAYBE WHAT I'D ASK, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH WE CAN ADDRESS IN THIS DISCUSSION, BUT MAYBE WHAT I'D ASK IS IF YOU DON'T MIND GETTING WITH THE, THE RESIDENT, UH, MAYBE GETTING YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME ABSOLUTELY. QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET ANSWERED THAT I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, SO. WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH SANDY RIGHT NOW. SHE'S REVIEWING THE ENGINEERING PLANS TO MAKE SURE THOSE ALL MATCH UP WITH CODE STUFF AND WORKING THROUGH THAT. OKAY. WELL, YEAH, NO, IF YOU DON'T MIND GETTING WITH ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, EVERYBODY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY OTHER DELIBERATION MAYBE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, Z- ZONING CASE ZA26-0064, PRELIMINARY PLAT [00:15:03] FOR THE RUNWAY, SUBJECT TO STAFF DATED, STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 8, 2026. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, VOTE PLEASE. PASSES 6-0, AND WE'LL ACTUALLY, THIS PLAT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE THE STATE PUTS US ON A SHOT CLOCK, THIS ONE WILL ACTUALLY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UM. THIS WILL GO TO OCTOBER 20TH. TUESDAY THE 20TH, RIGHT? YEAH, TWO- OCTOBER 20TH. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DENNIS. ALL RIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, WE'LL POP BACK INTO THE, UH, REGULAR ORDER OF THE MEETING AGENDA, [6. Consider: ZA26-0046, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Magnolia Office Park, on property described as Tract 5B06, S. Freeman Survey Abstract No. 525, and located at 501 N. Kimball Avenue. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. Applicant: Clay Cristy, ClayMoore Engineering. Property Owner: Sypureedy Venkata Sateesh, Ourone LLC. SPIN Neighborhood #4. PUBLIC HEARING] AND WE WILL NOW HEAR, UH, ITEM NUMBER 6, CONSIDERATION OF ZA26-0046, ZONING CHANGE SITE PLAN FOR MAGNOLIA OFFICE PARK. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION. THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR MAGNOLIA OFFICE PARK. UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE IN SITE PLAN FOR, UH, 501 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE, UM, FOR APROX- FOR 5 BUILDINGS ON APPROXIMATELY 3.62 ACRES. UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. THE CURRENT ZONING IS AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. UM, THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWING 5 LOTS WITH 5 OFFICE BUILDINGS. THIS IS THEIR SITE DATA SUMMARY, UM, NOTING THAT THE, THE TOTAL BUILDING AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 30,900 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE GROSS FLOOR AREA IS 56,000, UH, 400 SQUARE FEET, UM, WITH A RANGE BETWEEN, UM, 09,000 TO 11,500 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WILL BE 35 FEET OR 2 STORIES, AND, UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR A MA- MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OF 70%, AND THE PARKING TOTAL IS BASED OFF OF PARKING RATIO OF 1 PER 300 SQUARE FEET, UH, FOR 192 SPACES PROVIDED. UH, THIS IS A COMPARISON TABLE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR SP-1 DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT. UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT, UM, GET CHANGED FROM THE O-1 DISTRICT IS THE SETBACKS, UM, THEIR MINIMUM IS 5 FEET, MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS STILL 50%, AND, UM, INSTEAD OF THE 65% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR 70%. AND FOR THE VARIANCE REQUEST, UM, TO THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE, UH, NUMBER 6- 634 AS AMENDED, SECTION 5.1 REQUIRES THE MINIMUM CENTER LINE SPACING FOR DRIVEWAYS ALONG ARTERIAL ROADS TO BE 75 FEET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SPACING OF 50 FEET, UM, ALONG THE EASTERN DRIVEWAY ALONG KIMBALL AVENUE. AND FOR THE SUBDIVISION, UM, ORDINANCE OR, UH, THE LOTTING REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY LOT SHALL ABUT ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET, AND THIS IS THE REQUEST TO SHOW- ALLOW THE LOTS THAT ARE SHOWN TO BE, UM, ACCESSED BY A COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT. UM, THIS IS THEIR TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THE EXISTING, UH, TREE COVER IS 25.9%. UM, THE REQUIRED MINIMUM TO BE PRESERVED IS 60%, AND THE EXISTING TREE COVER PROPOSED TO BE PRESERVED IS 19.7%. UM, THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. THIS IS THEIR UTILITY PLAN. UM, A PORTION OF THE SITE DRAINS NORTHWEST, AND THE OTHER PORTION DRAINS, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST. UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL CAPTURE THE ON-SITE STORMWATER, UH, WITHIN A STORM DRAIN AND WITH THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM, WITH THE OUTLET GOING INTO THE EXISTING CREEK. UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A PROPOSED 8 INCH SEWER LINE AND A PROPOSED 8 INCH WATER LINE. AND THIS IS THEIR DRAINAGE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THAT PROPOSED UNDERGROUND DETENTION AND THEIR STORM DRAIN PLAN. UM, THESE ARE ELEVATIONS FOR THE 5 OFFICE BUILDINGS. THIS IS FOR BUILDING A. THIS IS ONE OF THEIR 2 S- UH, 2-STORY BUILDINGS. AND THIS IS FOR BUILDING B. BUILDING C. UM, BUILDING D. AND THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE PROPERTY. AND THIS IS THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE [00:20:03] EXHIBIT, UM, FROM RESIDENTIAL. AND THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED BUILDING MATERIALS. UM, AS OF TODAY'S DATE, UM, THERE HAS BEEN ONE WRITTEN RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION WITHIN 200 FEET AND ONE WRITTEN RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF 300 FEET. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THE, AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, CINDY. COULD YOU BRING UP THE MAP SHOWING THE AREA? BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE HOMEOWNER WHO'S OPPOSED, DISCUSSES PROPERTY AT 420 SHADY LANE, AND I JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT THERE IS IN RELATIVE TO THE SITE. IS THAT 420? OKAY, THAT'S THE ONE THAT CAME IN OPPOSITION, NOTED. OKAY, UH, I HAD NOT SEEN THIS LETTER OF OPPOSITION PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND I JUST HAD, DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS LOCATED, SO I WANTED TO SEE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING, I BELIEVE, FOR THIS ITEM. YES, THERE HE IS. ALL RIGHT, UH... DO YOU HAVE KIND OF A QUICK PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND. GOOD EVENING, CLAY CRISTY, CLAYMOORE ENGINEERING, 3231 HARWOOD ROAD IN BEDFORD. UM, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. STAFF PROBABLY TOOK A LOT OF MY THUNDER, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY AND, AND GET INTO OUR DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. UM, KIND OF GAVE OVER THE OVERALL GENERAL OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE ON THIS. THERE'S NO REAL REASON TO DO THAT THERE. WE HAVE OUR SITE LOCATION, UM, JUST NORTH OF 114 IN KIMBALL. UM, WE DO HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UM, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE 501 RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS KIND OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL, UM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW WITHIN ON THE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE HAVE THERE. AND SO, UM, WE DO HAVE OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE. WE DO HAVE 5 BUILDINGS. WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. UM, ONE THING TO CLARIFY, UM, THAT I THINK MAYBE IT WAS JUST MISSPOKEN ON WAS IN REGARDS TO SETBACKS, UM, AND WHAT WE HAD WITH OUR, OUR BUILDING SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DO HAVE 15-FOOT SIDE YARDS ON THE SOUTH AND THE 40-FOOT SIDE YARDS ON THE REAR, UH, OF THOSE, SO WE'RE NOT REQUESTING 5-FOOT, UM, BUILDING SETBACKS OR ANYTHING ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF, OF WHAT WE HAD RIGHT THERE. SO JUST ONE CLICK, QUICK CLARIFICATION THAT WE HAD RIGHT THERE. UM, AGAIN, THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, THESE ARE WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON WHAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER LOOKING ELEVATIONS HERE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RENDER SINCE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A, A TRUE LOOK AT WHAT IT IS VERSUS JUST THE, THE COLOR BLACK AND WHITE TYPE FLAT ELEVATIONS TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TEXTURE AND CONTEXT TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. UM, WE'LL HAVE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS, BRICK MATERIAL ON THE FACADES, UM, AND THEN BLACK WINDOWS AND, AND UH, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE. SO WE DID WORK WITH THEM ON OUR HEIGHT AND OUR SITE PLAN TO ENSURE THAT WE DO, UH, COMPLY WITH THE 4 TO 1 SLOPE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL THE SETBACKS AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HEIGHTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THERE. UM, AND THEN AS STAFF SAID, WE WERE, WE ARE TRYING TO LANDSCAPE THIS. THIS IS A OFFICE COMPLEX. THE DEVELOPER OF THIS IS ONE THAT HAD DEVELOPED, UM, THEIR OFFICE COMPLEX, THE OFFICE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND, UH, ARE TAKING PRIDE, AND THEY WANT TO, WANT TO BUILD ANOTHER VERSION OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE THERE, SIMILAR, UM, EVEN KIND OF DRESS THIS ONE UP AND FILL IT FULL LANDSCAPING THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE. AND SO WITH THAT, LIKE I SAID, IN THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND, AND A LITTLE BIT SHORT TONIGHT, UM, I KNOW THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DIG INTO THOSE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, ANY, I'VE GOT A FEW, BUT I GUESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, OR SO I HAD SUGGESTED THAT, UH, THAT THAT THE SITE BE BROKEN UP, UH, INTO DIFFERENT LOTS FOR PLATTING PURPOSES. THAT'S READY TO GO AND ALREADY, THERE'S ALREADY AN HOA OR A OWNERSHIP, UH, SO. UH, SHARING PROGRAM. THERE WILL BE, YES, SIR, AS PART OF THE, THE RESTRICTIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THERE. AND I KNOW THE SITE PLAN'S KIND OF BUSY, BUT WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF TO SELF, TO PUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROPERTY LINES, IDENTIFY THEM INTO SEPARATE LOTS. THAT'S ALL INCORPORATED THERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL GET OUR ENTITLEMENT, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW RIGHT BACK WITH THAT PLAT TO GET THAT DONE. YES, SIR. OKAY. GOTCHA. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE SETBACKS, BECAUSE WE SAW A SLIDE, UM, FROM, FROM THE CITY THAT BROKE OUT THE VARIANCE REQUEST IN THE SO. IN THE SETBACKS. SO I, I, JUST BECAUSE I WAS VISUAL, I WANTED TO SEE IF MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. OH. SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN IN MY CURSOR RIGHT HERE, WE DO HAVE 15-FOOT SIDE YARDS HERE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE RIGHT HERE. [00:25:01] WE HAVE 40-FOOT REAR YARDS HERE ALONG THE REAR THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER HERE, WE HAVE A 5 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE 5 FOOT ON ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, BUT OUR SETBACK ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, UH, FOR BUILDING IS ABOUT 74 AND A HALF FEET DUE TO THE OVERHEAD ELECTRICAL LINES AND THE ELECTRICAL EASEMENT THAT IS ON THAT NORTHERN SIDE FOR US THERE. SO JUST TO GO THROUGH THAT, AND THEN AT THE FRONT RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE OUR 30-FOOT FRONT YARD AS WELL. SO WE HAVE OUR 30-FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK AS, AS WELL ON, ON THOSE SITE PLANS. SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS, YEAH, I'LL JUMP IN JUST REAL QUICK. UM, NO, THEY LOOK LIKE NICE BUILDINGS, DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ON OFFICE COMMERCIAL. UM, JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS, I GUESS. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO MAYBE THE, THE NEIGHBOR THAT, I GUESS, THEY'RE TO THE SOUTHEAST THAT REGISTERED? SO WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THAT NEIGHBOR THERE, BUT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, WE'LL REACH OUT, OKAY. UH, TO THAT AND MAKE M- MAKE AN INTRODUCTION. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME STUFF WITH THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL, UH, WITH THE CHURCH. UM, AND I ACTUALLY THINK THEY'RE PRESENT HERE THIS EVENING, AND SO WE'VE BEEN STARTING THAT, UM, WORKING ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THEM TO OKAY. MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COORDINATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT. GOOD, SO YOU'LL HAVE THOSE BEFORE ANY POTENTIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. YES, SIR. BECAUSE, YEAH, I WAS, I WAS WONDERING, I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS THERE, JUST YEAH, WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY RELOCATED MOST ALL THE DUMPSTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS, AS FAR AWAY AS WE CAN FROM THAT, SO. OKAY, UM, NO, I, LOOK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S NICE. UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST ADMIT I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT ON, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS AND THE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK CORRIDOR MEETING KIND OF HIT ON. I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS WAS KIND OF FOCUSED ON THAT IN THE CORRIDOR MEETING SESSION. UM, I GUESS I'M, I'M CONCERNED YOU MAY HAVE SOME DENSITY, UH, QUESTIONS AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, GIVEN THAT YOU'RE TRIPPING A COUPLE OF THOSE, AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE TWO-STORY BUILDINGS ARE PROBABLY PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF A PART IN THAT RELATIVE TO THE REQUIRED PARKING. SO. THAT COMES WITH THAT. AND THAT, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF IT, IS, IS THAT WE DO HAVE OUR TWO-STORY, UH, FACILITIES, AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE IS MAXIMIZE, UH, OR MINIMIZE, I APOLOGIZE, UH, MINIMIZE OUR LOT COVERAGE WITH OUR BUILDINGS. UH, WHENEVER WE DO THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM KIND OF SMALL, UM, HOME TO WHERE EACH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EACH OFFICE BUILDING CAN FACILITATE, UH, SOMETIMES 1, 02, YOU KNOW, SMALL TYPE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, EITHER THEY TAKE THE FULL BUILDING OR MAYBE SPLIT IT UP IN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. UM, ON THE, ON THE COVERAGE SIDE OF IT, WE HAVE THERE. IN REGARDS TO THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF DISCUSSED. WE, WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT. THIS IS WHAT SOME OF THE TREE COVERAGE LOOKS LIKE HERE. I, I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO COME UP, SO WE HAD A SLIDE OF, OF WHAT IT IS. SO WE, WE DO REALIZE THERE'S A LOT OF TREE COVERAGE THERE. WE ALSO REALIZE THAT SOME OF THOSE TREES OUT THERE ARE STRUGGLING AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO WHERE IF WE DO GO IN AND REPLACE THOSE TREES, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN YEAH. WE CAN CLEAN IT UP AND, AND GET THOSE WHERE, WHERE THEY NEED TO BE WHENEVER WE GO IN AND YEAH, NO, I GUESS I'VE JUST BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. I'D MAYBE CONSIDER WORKING ON MAYBE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN THAT MAYBE DOES A LITTLE BETTER ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVERS. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE IT'S COME UP FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AT CORRIDOR, I THINK IT MIGHT COME UP AT THAT LEVEL, SO, UM, I THINK I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO WORK ON AHEAD OF THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, YEAH. I MENTIONED THIS IN CORRIDOR, UM, I KNOW THAT THE DRIVEWAYS TO THE SOUTH WERE EXTENDED TO BE IN, UH, A FUTURE CONNECTION TO A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THOSE EXTENSIONS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE OVER PARKED BY CODE, I THINK 7 OR 8 PARKING SPOTS. IF YOU WERE TO NOT EXTEND THOSE DRIVEWAYS, AND IF YOU DIDN'T, AND IF YOU ELIMINATED THOSE S- THOSE EXTRA PARKING SPOTS, WOULD THAT ALLEVIATE YOUR PER- IMPERVIOUS COVER GAP? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU MISINFORMATION ON THE CALCULATION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UM, I DO KNOW FOR, AND AND THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH IS ACTUALLY NOT ASSOCIATED WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT AT ALL, UM, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE, PROVIDE WHERE THAT ACCESS CAN BE. UM, WE'RE IN A WEIRD, KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION WITH THIS LOT, IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE THE LARGE DRAINAGE CREEK AND THAT BRIDGE THAT CROSSES ON THAT NORTHERN SIDE, WHICH IS US THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE ON KIND OF THE DRIVEWAY SPACING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THERE, BECAUSE OUR DRIVEWAY IS REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU CAN LOCATE THAT [00:30:01] DRIVEWAY IS IN THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER. UM, THOSE OTHER DRIVEWAY EXTENSIONS THAT ARE THERE, IF WE DO PULL THOSE OUT, I CAN HAVE THOSE NUMBERS PREPARED FOR CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT IT IS. I THINK IT WOULD VERY HELP US. WE'RE, WE'RE 5% OVER, AND SO THAT'S NOT A LOT, AND WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE IF WE ARE OVER PARKED A LITTLE BIT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS LONG AS WE'RE PARKED UP THERE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, ACQUIESCE ON SOME OF THAT AND TRY TO GET CLOSER TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. DOES THAT HELP? GOOD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? GOOD FOR NOW. OKAY, THANKS. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. THANKS, SIR. UM, ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? AH, OKAY. UH, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, AND UH. JEFF MEDICI, 2120 CHEYENNE PARK LANE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS, 76092. SO I THINK MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW I'M THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR KIMBALL PARK. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON KIMBALL. UM, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE RENDERINGS LOOK PRETTY. I MEAN, THE, THE BUILDINGS LOOK, LOOK NICE, UM, BUT AS YOU DRIVE FURTHER UP KIMBALL, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A NUMBER OF GARDEN OFFICE BUILDING COMPLEXES, ALL STICK FRAME, JUST CLEAR CUT EVERYTHING, AND THEN JUST JAM A BUNCH OF SMALL OFFICE BUILDINGS, UM, MORE CLASS B THAN WHAT WE HAVE OVER IN IN KIMBALL PARK WITH CLASS A. UM, AND MY FEAR IS, A- AGAIN, I'M NOT TRY- I'M NOT TRYING TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THROW A SORT OF WRENCH IN THIS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S WAY TOO DENSE FOR FOR THAT AREA. LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO CRAM AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN IN, IN THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, 3 AND A HALF ACRE, UH, LOT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 17 AND A HALF ACRES AT KIMBALL PARK, AND WE DEDICATED 3 AND A HALF ACRES TO A FULL PARK, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ALL THE TREES AND, AND THE GRASS. IN FACT, I WAS JUST MOWING HERE JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, SO SORRY TO THE FOLKS I WAS SITTING NEXT TO. HADN'T HAD TIME TO TAKE A SHOWER, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE, WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LOOKS REALLY NICE. UM, THERE'S A, THERE IS THAT DRAIN ADJACENT THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, WHICH HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC FOR US AS WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING OVER KIMBALL PARK, BUT MAKING THAT AS NICE AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN, I THINK A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS A COMPETITIVE PRODUCT TO OUR- OURS, BUT I DO LOOK AT IT AS WHEN FOLKS COME INTO KIMBALL PARK, WHAT ARE THEY SEEING AS THEY SORT OF DRIVE UP? AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN ELEVATED SORT OF LOOK FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STREET, AND THAT COUPLED WITH THE, THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS REALLY, REALLY DENSE AND THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, UM, IN THIS AREA NORTH OF, OF 114, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE STICK TO THE, THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU FOR COMING UP. ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN. ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ZEDANKA WILCOX, 1007 SOUTHLAKE HILLS, SOUTHLAKE. YOU CAN PULL THE, YOU CAN PULL THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT HELPS. PERFECT. YEAH, IS IT ON NOW? UH, WELL, HERE, HOLD ON A SECOND. STAFF WILL HELP WITH THAT. HOLD ON. ALL GOOD. OKAY. YEAH, SO IN GENERAL, I AM HERE TALKING AGAINST ANY MORE OF, UM, REZONING OF AGRICULTURAL LAND. I MEAN, EVER SINCE I MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE, WHICH WAS 2019, I SEE OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND DISAPPEARING. I MEAN, WHERE WE USED TO HAVE COWS, HORSES IS NO MORE, AND THEN I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THESE LLCS MOVING INTO TOWN, BUYING THIS CHEAPER LAND BECAUSE IT'S AGRICULTURE ZONE, AND THEN THEY COME IN AND IT'S BEEN EASILY REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AND AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO TO THIS. I MEAN, THIS IS A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE IS NOT MUCH LEFT GREENERY ON KIMBALL, FROM WHAT I SEE. WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH DRAINAGE, UM, WE HAVE JUST CONCRETE JUNGLE, AND SOUTHLAKE IS NOT THE WAY IT USED TO BE, SO I OPPOSE TO IT. I THINK WE NEED TO STOP APPROVING THESE AGRICULTURAL LANDS TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIALS IN GENERAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, FEEL FREE. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT? OH, GO AHEAD. HI, KIM JAMISON, 1649 ROYAL OAKS COURT, SOUTHLAKE. UM, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS GOING TO TALK ON THIS, BUT I'M RIGHT WITH Z ON THIS ONE. UM, I MOVED TO, GOSH, I LIVED IN NORTH ARLINGTON. I MOVED TO NORTH ARLINGTON IN 1979. I MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE IN 2011. I KNOW WHAT NORTH TEXAS USED TO LOOK LIKE, AND I KNOW WHAT SOUTHLAKE USED TO LOOK LIKE. AND WHEN WE MOVED HERE, [00:35:01] I WAS ECSTATIC THAT WE HAD COWS, THAT WE HAD OPEN GRASS, THAT WE HAD TREES, THAT WE HAD GREEN SPACES. IT WAS PLEASANT AND LOVELY, AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE ARE A PLANNED MASTER COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S SPECTACULAR. UNFORTUNATELY, WE KEEP... PUT UP A PARKING LOT IN PAVED PARADISE, OR WHATEVER THAT SONG IS. WE'RE JUST PUTTING UP OFFICE BUILDINGS. WHY? THAT AREA OF 114 IN KIMBALL, I LIVE JUST DOWN THE ROAD. I CAN WALK THERE FROM MY HOUSE. HOW MANY OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE RIGHT THERE THAT HAVE SAT EMPTY FOR HOW MANY YEARS, Y'ALL? WE CAN PUT SOMETHING ELSE THERE. HECK, I'D RATHER JUST ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 3 1-ACRE LOTS WITH HOUSES. COOL, LET'S DO THAT. LET'S PUT A PARK IN THERE. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE STINKING OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE NEED MORE GREEN SPACES. WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT. MY FINAL PARTING SHOT ON THIS IS I LIVE ON DOVE. WHEN WE MOVED HERE IN 2011, I WAS TOLD, HEY, SIDEWALKS ON DOVE ARE PART OF THE PART OF THE PLAN. I PROMISE YOU, SIDEWALKS ARE COMING ON DOVE BETWEEN KIMBALL AND CARROLL SO I CAN GO FOR A WALK MORE THAN MY QUARTER, QUARTER MILE LONG STREET. STILL NO. I'VE BEEN ASKING, WHY, WHY, WHY? WELL, BECAUSE THAT PART OF SOUTHLAKE, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT AG. THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT NATURAL. THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT GREEN. AND YET HERE WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT MORE STUPID OFFICE BUILDINGS. I'M KIND OF OVER IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT, AND I'LL BE BACK BECAUSE I HAVE MORE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. OKAY, EVERYBODY PLEASE, LOOK, THIS IS NOT A BALL GAME. WE DON'T CLAP, WE DON'T BOO, WE DON'T CHEER. I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT EARLIER. UM, WE, THE, THE WAY THESE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS WORK IS THESE ARE LIKE COURTROOMS, OKAY? WE'RE ALL VERY RESPECTFUL TO COMMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ROLLING HERE. SO PLEASE, GALLERY, I'D ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP PUBLIC COMMENTS UP HERE, KEEP COURTROOM DECORUM, AND WE'LL KEEP THIS MOVING. THIS IS HOW CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WORK AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS WORK, SO THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN ON THIS ITEM FOR ANYBODY YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP, AND I KNOW THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, BUT THERE ARE KIND OF THE INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF USE QUESTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SO MAYBE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE. ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO I GUESS IN FIRST RESPONSE ON WHAT TYPE OF CLASS THAT THESE OFFICES ARE GOING TO BE, THEY'RE CLASS A. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR CLASS B OR ANYTHING ELSE LESS THAN THAT. UM, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE HIGH-END, HIGH-END FINISHES IS WITH THE PRODUCT THAT WE PRODUCE. IT'S NOT JUST STICK BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST THERE TO GET DILAPIDATED AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IN REGARDS TO THE 65% VERSUS 70%, I WAS JUST TALKING WITH OUR TEAM HERE. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FIND A WAY TO WORK ON THAT, SO. OKAY. AND I DO THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS ON THE VIEW FROM KIMBALL, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO GET A RENDERING IN TERMS WE CAN DO THAT. I KNOW YOU'VE KIND OF GOT SOMETHING. WE HAVE THIS ONE, WE'LL GET IT OVER THERE. KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND I DO THINK IT'S A WORTHY COMMENT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT DRIVE-BY APPEARANCE DRESSED UP, AND WHETHER IT'S MONUMENT SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, ABSOLUTELY. LIGHTING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK HAVING THAT FOR, FOR A COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND I DO THINK HAVING ONE THAT MEETS THE 65% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, UH, REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE ZONING, SO THAT THAT WAY THIS IS A CONSISTENT LAND USE CASE, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCES, WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR IT AT THE COUNCIL. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'LL WORK ON THE, WE'LL WORK ON THE RENDERING OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THERE. UM, JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS SLIDE UP TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE ON THE CONCENTRATION OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BUFFER THAT WE HAVE ON THE FRONT. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY SET, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SET BACK. WE'RE NOT ON CARROLL. THERE'S OVER 50 FEET BEFORE THE FIRST PARKING SPACE THAT WE HAVE THERE, UM, ON THAT AREA, AND THAT BUFFER GOES ALL THE WAY NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER LANDSCAPING AROUND IT. WE DO HAVE A DRAINAGE FACILITY THAT'S GOT TO COME FROM THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT CUTS THROUGH THERE, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF GAP IN THE TREES, BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN WORK ON GET THAT RENDERING SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE ENTRANCE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. THANK YOU. PLAY BACK UP IF YOU NEED. UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR DELIBERATIONS? IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, ADD TO THE MOTION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO REVISE YOUR PLAN TO LOOK FOR A 65 IMPERVIOUS COVER? DENNIS, ARE WE OKAY TO MAKE THAT CONDITION THAT 65% IMPERVIOUS? [00:40:04] YEAH, YEAH, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO INCLUDE AS A RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD, YES, AND ANY OTHER CONDITION YOU WOULD HAVE THEM ADDRESS BEFORE GOING TO COUNCIL. SO I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MY CONDITION ON THAT TO GET SUPPORT, SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OH, GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO EXPRESS MY DISCOMFORT WITH THE PLAN AS IT IS, EVEN AT 65%. I THINK IT'S JUST TOO INTENSE FOR THAT SMALL SITE. MY, MY OPINION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DELIBERATIONS? WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR, FOR STAFF, THE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL THE, UM, THE SPACE IS ALL CLUSTERED UP TO ONE CORNER, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT WITH THE IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE AND THEN BE CONCRETE EVERYWHERE ELSE. SO IS THAT COMMON? IS, IS IT NOT UNCOMMON? I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR I THINK, I THINK SHE'S SAYING AROUND THE, THE DRAINAGE DITCH AREA, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE IMPERVIOUS OR NON-IMPERVIOUS COVER IS LOCATED, SO JUST HOW COMMON. RIGHT, AND I, I WOULD SAY THAT'S A CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH, AND SO FOR THAT REASON THEY, THEY DID HAVE TO CONCENTRATE MOST OF THEIR DEVELOPED AREA AWAY FROM THAT DRAINAGE AREA THAT CLIPS THEIR NORTHWEST CORNER, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY THEY THAT THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY BUILD ON THAT AREA. DOES THAT HELP CONTEXT-WISE? I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S IN THIS CASE, IT'S IT'S A USE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND FUTURE LAND USE. UM, IT IS A ZONING CASE, SO OUR ORDINANCE IS AROUND 65%, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE SITE, WE CAN HAVE THE LATITUDE TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING HIGHER OR LOWER THAN THAT, DEPENDING ON LOOKING AT THE SITE AND CONSIDERING WHAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE, SO. I, AND, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE COMMUNITY REGULARLY, OR IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR THAT TO BE ON OTHER PROPERTIES TOO. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE THE ONLY WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT, I GUESS IS MAYBE WHAT I WOULD SAY. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. BUT YEAH, WE CAN, I MEAN, I GUESS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DELIBERATIONS ON THIS ONE? UM, WE COULD PROBABLY ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT I GUESS, AND YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD INCLUDE THE 65% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, ZONING CASE ZA26-0046, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR MAGNOLIA OFFICE PARK. UH, ALSO BASED ON STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 2ND, 2026, AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 3 DATED OCTOBER 2ND, 2026. IN ADDITION, APPROVAL OF VARIANCES, DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 634 AS AMENDED, SECTION 5.1 REQUIRES THE MINIMUM CENTER LINE SPACING FOR DRIVEWAYS ALONG ARTERIAL ROADS TO BE 75 FEET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SPACING OF APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET FOR THE EASTERN DRIVEWAY ALONG KIMBALL AVENUE. THE SECOND VARIANCE IS SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 484 AS AMENDED TO SECTION 8.01, LOTTING REQUIREMENTS 8.01. A REQUIRES THAT EVERY LOT ABUT ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE LOTS AS SHOWN WITH ACCESS BY A COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT WITH A 26-FOOT FIRE LANE. AND THEN ONE ADDITIONAL, UH, S- REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE PLAN BE REVISED TO ACHIEVE A MAXIMUM OF 65% IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL IS PRESENTED THE CASE. AND THE ONLY OTHER QUICK COMMENT I'LL ADD ON THAT THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT IS THAT YOU'LL, I GUESS, REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBOR ON THE SOUTHEAST THAT THAT IS STRUGGLING WITH THE PROJECT AND THE NEIGHBORS, AS YOU SAID, TO THE NORTH SOUTH. SO, OKAY. UM, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. NOW LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY, PASSES 5-1. UH, THIS WOULD BE, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS WOULD BE AT THE NEXT, OR ACTUALLY THE SECOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING FROM NOW, NOVEMBER 3RD, UM, IN TERMS OF WHEN IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE HEARD NEXT AND HEARD SOME OF THE FEEDBACK REGARDING THE [00:45:01] APPLICATION. SO I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HOMEWORK I THINK, UH, YOU'VE GOT TO WORK ON THERE. SO, OKAY. UM, NOW WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE, EFFECTIVELY THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THAT I THINK [Items 7. & 8.] EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR. UH, IT'S ITEMS 7 AND 8 ON OUR AGENDA, AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE'LL DO HERE IS WE'LL HEAR THEM BOTH TOGETHER. IT'S ITEM NUMBER 7, CONSIDERATION, UH, CP26-0008 AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN REGARDING THE TOUCHMARK APPLICATION, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 8, UH, ZA26-0052 ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR TOUCHMARK. WE'LL HEAR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS TOGETHER, SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEM EVENTUALLY. TOGETHER, YOU CAN COMMENT ON EITHER ITEM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY NEAR THE END, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN MOTIONS ON EACH ITEM SEPARATELY. SO, UH, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK OFF THE STAFF REPORT. ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEMS 7 AND 8. UH, THE ITEM 7 IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING A LAND USE CHANGE TO MIXED USE FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTIES. UM, AND THEN, UH, FOR THE ZONING PORTION, UM, REQUESTED ZONING IS SP-2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT. SO HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY HAS RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES, OFFICE COMMERCIAL, UH, PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, AND MIXED USE. AND CURRENT ZONING ALSO HAS CS ZONING, WHICH IS COMMUNITY SERVICE, DISTRICT ZONING, AG ZONING, AND A SMALL PORTION OF NON-RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. STREET VIEW FROM NORTH CARROLL FACING NORTHEAST ONTO THE PROPERTY. ANOTHER STREET VIEW FROM NORTH CARROLL FACING EAST, AND ANOTHER ONE FROM EAST HIGHLAND FACING SOUTHWEST. SO HERE'S THEIR OVERALL SITE PLAN, UM, SHOWING THE LAYOUT OF HOW THEY INTEND TO DEVELOP THE SITE. UM, THEY DO HAVE 2 PHASES, UM, WHICH, UM, DEPICTS THE SITE PLAN PORTION, UM, WHICH IS PHASE 01, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, AND PHASE TWO, THE CONCEPT PLAN PORTION. UH, SITE DATA SUMMARY, UM, SO GROSS ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST SHY OF 18 ACRES. UM, THEIR TOTAL BUILDING AREA FOR PHASE ONE, UM, IS 485,400 SQUARE FEET. PHASE TWO WOULD BRING AN ADDITIONAL 140,500 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 625,900 SQUARE FEET, UM, AT FULL BUILD OUT. UM, THEIR MAX BUILDING HEIGHT WOULD BE LOCATED AT BUILDING A HERE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, WHICH IS JUST OVER 86 FEET AT 86 FEET AND 3 INCHES. UM, THEIR COURTYARD VILLAS OVER HERE IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION, UM, WOULD BE 18 FEET IN HEIGHT. UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FLATS IN THE NORTHEAST PORTION, UM, WOULD BE 42 FEET. AND THEN THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THEY'RE PROPOSING IS 53.3%, UH, ALONG WITH AN OPEN SPACE PERCENTAGE OF 46.7. UM, IN TERMS OF UNIT COUNTS, UM, SO FOR THEIR INDEPENDENT LIVING AREA, UM, FOR PHASE ONE WOULD BE 150 UNITS, PHASE TWO AN ADDITIONAL 42 UNITS. UM, THEIR MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THOSE UNITS WOULD BE 825 SQUARE FEET WITH A MAX OF 02,000. UM, THE ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE 68 UNITS PHASE 1, 16 FOR PHASE 2, UM, WITH THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING 375 SQUARE FEET AND 1,400 SQUARE FEET ON THE MAX. UM, SAME SIZES FOR THE MEMORY CARE, AND THOSE UNITS WOULD BE 16 IN EACH PHASE 1 AND EACH, UH, PHASE 2. COURTYARD VILLAS, THERE WOULD BE 9 UNITS IN TOTAL ACROSS THOSE 3 BUILDINGS. UM, MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 1,900 SQUARE FEET AND A MAX OF 2200 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FLATS, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO WOULD EACH HAVE 20 UNITS, UH, WITH A MINIMUM SQUARE FEET AT 1850 AND A MAX AT 2500. UH, TOTAL UNIT COUNT AT FULL BUILD OUT WOULD BE 357 UNITS. UM, THEIR TOTAL DENSITY WOULD BE JUST SHY OF 21 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. UM, PARKING AND ACCESS PLAN, SO THEY DO HAVE TWO PARKING GARAGE INGRESS EGRESS AREAS ON THE SITE, ONE IN THE NORTH, ONE IN THE SOUTH. UM, TOTAL PARKING SPACES IN THOSE, IN THOSE GARAGES ARE 215. UM, COURTYARD VILLAS GARAGE WOULD HAVE 9 SPACES, UH, ONE FOR EACH UNIT. UM, NEIGHBORHOOD FLATS GARAGE WOULD HAVE 40 SPACES, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SURFACE VISITOR PARKING, WHICH INCLUDES 85 SPACES, AND THEN STAFF PARKING AS WELL, WHICH INCLUDES 70. SO 419 IN TOTAL. AND THEN THERE'S 3 SITE ACCESS POINTS, 2 POINTS HERE OFF GRACE LANE, AND THEN ONE OFF NORTH CARROLL, WHICH IS THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE. TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, UM, SO THERE'S AN 18% EXISTING TREE COVER ON THE SITE, UH, CURRENTLY. UM, THIS IS NOT STRAIGHT ZONING, BUT IF IT WERE STRAIGHT ZONING, THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE A MINIMUM OF 70% [00:50:02] OF THAT EXISTING COVERAGE. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE 52% OF IT, AND UM, 48% OF THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. HERE IS A EXHIBIT OF THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN. UH, THIS IS SORT OF THEIR IMPERVIOUS PERVIOUS STUDY, UM, BASICALLY THEIR OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS AGAIN, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE WOULD BE 53.3%, AND PERVIOUS COVERAGE OR OPEN SPACE WOULD BE 46.7. UM, SO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE ON THE SITE, UM, THERE'S REALLY 4 MAIN AREAS HERE. UH, THE YELLOW S- UM, SHADED AREA, THAT FLOWS INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM WITHIN GRACE LANE AND ULTIMATELY OUTLETS INTO DOVE CREEK. AND THE RED PORTION, UM, THAT FOLLOWS THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATH INTO GRACE LANE AND ULTIMATELY FLOWS INTO THE EXISTING CHANNEL, UM, AND THEN INTO DOVE CREEK. AND THEN ON THE WESTERN SIDE, IN THE GREEN SHADED PORTION, THAT FLOWS INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM WITHIN NORTH CARROLL AVENUE AND ULTIMATELY OUTLETS INTO DOVE CREEK. AND THEN THE MIDDLE NORTHERN PORTION, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, UM, FLOWS INTO THE EXISTING CULVERT WITHIN EAST HIGHLAND STREET THROUGH THE CHANNEL, UM, WITHIN 1280 EAST HIGHLAND, AND ULTIMATELY INTO DOVE CREEK. UH, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THEY WILL HAVE 2 ABOVE GROUND DETENTION PONDS, ONE ON THE WESTERN, ONE ON THE EASTERN SIDE, AND A UNDERGROUND DETENTION AREA. UM, SO AGAIN, THE YELLOW SHADED PORTION, UM, WITH THEIR PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN, IT WOULD BE ROUTED INTO THE EASTERN UNDERGROUND AND ABOVE GROUND DETENTION AREAS. UH, THE DEPEN- DETEN- DETENTION POND OUTLETS INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM WITHIN GRACE LANE AND ULTIMATELY OUTLETS INTO DOVE CREEK. UH, THAT RED SHADED PORTION, UM, FOLLOWS THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATH INTO GRACE LANE AND ULTIMATELY FLOWS INTO THE EXISTING CHANNEL BEHIND 1021 GRACE LANE AND THEN INTO DOVE CREEK. AND AGAIN, THE GREEN SHADED PORTION WOULD BE ROUTED INTO THE WESTERN ABOVE GROUND DETENTION AREA. UH, THAT DETENTION POND OUTLETS INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM WITHIN NORTH CARROLL AVENUE AND ULTIMATELY INTO DOVE CREEK. AND THE BLUE SHADED PORTION FOLLOWS THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATH INTO NORTH CARROLL AVENUE AND ULTIMATELY FLOWS INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM THERE AND INTO DOVE CREEK. AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER EXHIBIT SHOWING THEIR PROPOSED DETENTION PLANS. UH, HERE IS AN EXHIBIT WITH THEIR FENCING PLANS AND SOME PICTURES INDICATING WHAT STYLE THEY'RE GOING FOR WITH THOSE. AND THEN THEIR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PLAN SHOWING ALL THE WALKWAYS AROUND AND INSIDE THE PROPERTY. AND GETTING INTO THE ELEVATIONS HERE, UM, THIS IS FOR THEIR INDEPENDENT LIVING AREA, WHICH IS THAT BUILDING A. UM, WE HAVE THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION THERE AT THE TOP AND THE WEST ELEVATION AT THE BOTTOM. AGAIN, SOME DIFFERENT ANGLES HERE OF THAT SAME BUILDING, EAST, WEST, AND NORTH ELEVATIONS. UH, SAME BUILDING LOOKING, UH, NORTHEAST ELEVATION AND THE NORTH ELEVATION. EAST AND SOUTH. AND THEN THIS HERE IS, UM, WHAT THEY ARE CALLING THE TERRACE AREA. UM, WE HAVE THE SOUTH, NORTHEAST, AND EAST ELEVATION OF THAT BUILDING. AND THEN THE NORTHWEST, WEST, AND NORTH ELEVATIONS. SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST. AND THEN HERE IS ELEVATIONS OF THEIR COURTYARD VILLAS. THE NORTH AND EAST SHOWN IN THIS, WEST AND SOUTH. AND THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD FLATS ELEVATION, SHOWN THE NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST, SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST. UH, HERE'S JUST A RECAP OF THEIR BUILDING HEIGHTS. UM, SO AGAIN, THEIR HIGHEST POINT ON PROPERTY AS PROPOSED IS 86 FEET 3 INCHES, HERE IN THE MIDDLE, SHADED YELLOW. UM, S- LOWEST POINT WOULD BE, UH, 17-8, UM, WHICH IS THE, UH, COURTYARD VILLAS. UH, SO AS OF BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED, UM, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, UH, WE HAD 88 IN FAVOR THAT WERE OUTSIDE 300, 11 OPPOSED, 3 UNDECIDED, 2 RESPONSES IN FAVOR WITH NO ADDRESS GIVEN, AND THEN WITHIN 300, WE HAD 1 WHO WAS UNDECIDED. SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THEIR OWN PRESENTATION AS WELL. I GUESS I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS I'LL LET SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS JUMP IN FIRST, IF THEY'D LIKE. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU GO BACK, I GUESS I'VE GOT A FEW. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE TREE PRESERVATION SLIDE YOU PUT UP AGAIN? I... THE REQUIREMENT WAS 70%, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? IF IT WAS STRAIGHT ZONING, [00:55:02] IT'D BE 70%. SINCE THIS IS SP-2, THEY CAN CUSTOMIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT. 70, AND THEY'RE DOING, IS IT 52? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? OKAY. YEP. UM, I GUESS THE OTHER ONE, I GUESS DENNIS ALONG, OR STAFF ALONG KIRKWOOD, UNDER THIS PLAN, THERE WOULD BE KIND OF A RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THE CITY WOULD GET KIND OF THE, THE ROAD RENOVATION EXPANSION. IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO CHARACTERIZE IT? CORRECT. THEY, THEY ARE, UM, PROVIDING 44 FEET FROM THE CURRENT CENTER LINE OF HIGHLAND SLASH KIRK- KIRKWOOD, UM, TOWARDS THE SOUTH, AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE OUR INTENT IS TO HOLD TO THE NORTH RIGHT-OF-WAY BOUNDARY OF HIGHLAND AND KIRKWOOD, WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW DUE TO SEVERAL IM- IMPROVED STRUCTURES, UH, ON THAT NORTH SIDE THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED IF WE WERE TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE NORTH, THEY ARE, UH, PROVIDING THE REMAINDER TO REACH A TOTAL OF 88 FEET FROM THE NORTH ESTABLISHED BOUNDARY, UH, BOUNDARY OF OF HIGHLAND TOWARDS THE SOUTH AND RESERVATION AREA THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ACQUIRE IT ONCE WE, UM, I- INTEND TO BUILD OUT THE REMAINING SECTIONS AND AND MAKE THAT REALIGNMENT. OKAY, AND THE STILL TBD ON A POSSIBLE ROUNDABOUT OR NOT, OR, CAROL, CORRECT? I COULD NOT HEAR YOU. A ROUNDABOUT, I GUESS STILL TBD ON A ROUNDABOUT AT CAROL AND UH, STILL THE, THAT, THAT DESIGN DETERMINATION HAS NOT BEEN MADE AS TO WHETHER THAT WOULD BEST BE SERVED BY A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR A ROUNDABOUT. OKAY. AND JUST BIG PICTURE, I GUESS, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD THIS INFORMATION, BUT IN TERMS OF PROPERTIES OF THIS SCALE IN TOWN, 357 UNITS, I GUESS, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT WATERMERE, I GUESS WATERMERE IS PROBABLY THE ONLY OTHER ONE OF THIS SCALE. YEAH, AND WE WE'VE GOT SOME COMPARATIVES PREPARED THAT THAT WE CAN REFER BACK TO TO, AND HERE HERE'S COMPARISON, UH, THE WATERMERE AT SOUTHLAKE IS THEIR, UM, SENIOR LIVING, UM, INDEPENDENT ASSISTED MEMORY AND NURSING CARE FACILITY, AND THEN THE, UH, SOUTH VILLAGE AT WATERMERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONED UNDER A TRANS- TRANSITION DISTRICT, I BELIEVE, AND THEN, UH, IT HAS SOME AGE RESTRICTED ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF WATERMERE DRIVE AND NON-AGE RESTRICTED ON THE WESTERN. OKAY, SOME OF THOSE WERE FOR SALE, RIGHT? I GUESS SOME OF THOSE WERE FOR SALE UH, UNITS. IN- INSIDE THE WATERMERE, YES, YEAH. THERE ARE FOR SALE INDIVIDUAL CONDOM- CONDOMINIUM UNITS IN THAT FACILITY, AND THEN, UM, THE AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY, I BELIEVE, IS FOR SALE, AND THAT'S ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF WATERMERE. OKAY. AND THE 21 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UH, FOR THE SUBJECT, I GUESS, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH, I MEAN, I GUESS I SEE WATERMERE, BUT I KNOW WE'VE GOT, I GUESS, THE OTHER RENTAL BUILDING OVER HERE IN TOWN SQUARE. UM, YEAH, WE DO HAVE A SLIDE SHOWING THOSE COMPARISONS THERE AS WELL. OKAY, THE GARDEN DISTRICT. THE GARDEN DISTRICTS ARE THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF CENTRAL AND PARKVIEW AND MEETING PLACE. UM, THE PARKVIEW RESIDENCES ARE THE LOFT UNITS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF CENTRAL. OKAY. ACROSS FROM STEBBINS PARK AND MEETING STREET. AND THE ALONG FEDERAL WAY AS WELL. THE GARDEN DISTRICT, I GUESS THE 2 AND A QUARTER ACRES, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PARK, OR DOES THAT NOT? THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE PARK. THE BRIAN STEBBINS PARK BRIAN STEBBINS PARK. IS A PRIVATE PARK, BUT IT'S OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE, AND I BELIEVE MAINTAINED BY THE RESIDENCES IN THAT AREA. OKAY. AND, UM, IT, BUT THAT DOES NOT COUNT THAT. THAT'S, UH, APPROXIMATELY A HALF ACRE OF LAND AREA IN, IN THE PRIVATE PARK. OKAY, HALF ACRE. SO IF YOU DID INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MATH, PROBABLY GOES DOWN TO AROUND THE 21, I GUESS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE BY CITY ORDINANCE, THE UNITS CAN BE RESTRICTED TO, [01:00:02] UH, RENTAL, UH, I GUESS AT AN AGE OF 55 OR GREATER, IS THAT CORRECT? I- I- I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, AND IN- IN THEIR ZONING REGULATIONS, THEY'VE, I BELIEVE, RESTRICTED IT TO AT LEAST ONE RESIDENT INITIALLY BEING 62, WITH NO ONE BEING UNDER 55, AND IF FOR SOME REASON, UM, SOMEONE WAS PRESENT THAT WAS AT THAT AGE AND WAS LEFT TO LIVE THERE ON THEIR OWN, THEY THEY COULD CONTINUE TO OCCUPY. OKAY. AND I GUESS THAT CAN BE SET IN THE ORDINANCE NOW. I GUESS IT COULD ALWAYS BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT CAN BE SET NOW. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, AS THEY'RE PROPOSING IT, IF, IF APPROVED IN THIS FORM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A ZONING REGULATION, AND I, I, I ASKED THEM THAT THEY MAY ALSO DEED RESTRICT IT SHOULD OTHER CHANGES OCCUR THAT MIGHT AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT AGE, EITHER IN LEGISLATION OR, OR OTHERWISE. YEAH. UM, BUT THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE OKAY. AND THEN, IN ANY CASE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY HAS A RIGHT TO COME BACK BEFORE THE, THE CITY REQUESTING AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO ZONING, BUT THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO DO THAT. IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH STANDARD ZONING CHANGE PROCESS TO AMEND ANY REGULATION OR LANGUAGE PLACED IN A ZONING. OKAY. SO THEY COULD HAVE THE RIGHT, BUT DOESN'T MEAN THEY GET IT GRANTED. OKAY. UM, LAST QUESTION, I GUESS FOR YOU ALL, THE, I GUESS THE UP TO 86 FEET IN HEIGHT, IS THAT, IS THAT TALLER THAN THE WESTON? IS IT, OR HOW DOES THAT COMPARE? DO YOU HAVE ANY... OH. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO, OKAY, TALLER THAN THE XO BUILDING. AND I GUESS, OKAY, TALLER THAN THE WESTIN AS CONSTRUCTED, IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT. PERMITTED BUT NOT CONSTRUCTED, OKAY. OKAY, SO TALLER THAN THAT, OKAY. UM, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS MAYBE AS WE GO. WE CAN GET THE APP. DO YOU HAVE THE ZONING, UH, WRITE-UP THAT WAS PUT INTO THE PACKAGE IN ON THE SLIDE FORM THAT WE PUT IT UP? DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SLIDE FORM, NO. SO, SO DENNIS, IF THIS IS A DEED RESTRICTION, IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING RESTRICTION, IF IT'S A DEED RESTRICTION, CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY CAN'T CHANGE A DEED RESTRICTION. THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED, UH, BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER REQUEST. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, YES. AND, UH, IT'S OKAY. IT WOULD BE UNDER CONTROL OR WHATEVER PROVISIONS WERE PUT IN THAT, UH, RESTRICTIVE INSTRUMENT TO RIGHT. SO, AMEND OR SO TO CLARIFY, IF IT'S A ZONING RESTRICTION WITH A, WITH AN APPROVAL OR AND A DEED RESTRICTION, IT WOULD REQUIRE ACTIONS OF THE FUTURE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE CHANGE, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THE PREVIOUS OWNER OR SELLER OF THAT LAND WHO PUT THE DEED RESTRICTION ON THE LAND TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE THAT DEED RESTRICTION. YEAH, AND ANY DEED RESTRICTION PUT IN PLACE WOULD NOT BE WITHIN THE CITY'S CONTROL OR ABILITY TO, TO ALTER. RIGHT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GOOD, GOOD FOR NOW. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP NOW. AND I GUESS ASSOCIATED TEAM, I'M SURE. UH, MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS. UH... AND ARE WE GONNA HAVE, I GUESS, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNERSHIP AS WELL? WE'RE GONNA HAVE... OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. GREAT. UM, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON? FEEL FREE TO COME ON IF WE CAN, THAT WAY WE CAN GET NAMES AND ADDRESSES ON THE RECORD NOW, AND THEN WE CAN JUST JUMP INTO ANY. YEAH, LET'S ALL INTRODUCE OURSELVES NOW. MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH THE SAGE GROUP, UH, 550 SILICON DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. OKAY. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS KENDRA LACKEY WITH TOUCHMARK, ADDRESS 350 SOUTH HARDIN ROAD IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. ALL RIGHT. SIOBHAN FAVARDON WITH HKS ARCHITECTS, 350 NORTH ST. PAUL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. ALEX RATHBUN WITH KIMLEY-HORN, SITE CIVIL ENGINEER, 13455 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. COY TALLEY WITH TALLEY ASSOCIATES, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, 3301 ELM STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. [01:05:01] OKAY. UM, AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM CARROLL ISD THIS EVENING THAT'S GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE, THE ITEM OR REPRESENT APPLICANT? ANYONE? YES. AND IF YOU WANT, SIR, YOU CAN JUST NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN YOU TAKE ONE OF THESE COMFORTABLE CHAIRS RIGHT UP FRONT HERE. THANK YOU. I'M LANNY MOONEY. I'M THE CARROLL ISD, UM, ADDRESS 1502 WATERFORD LANE, KELLER, TEXAS. I'M A DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES FOR THE DISTRICT. OKAY, NO, THANK YOU. AND I GUESS, I MEAN, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, CURTIS, JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICANT DOES HAVE THIS SITE UNDER CONTRACT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT. AND I GUESS I'LL, UNLESS CORRECTED OTHERWISE, I'LL TAKE THE YEAH, THE THE BULK OF THE SITE IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THERE IS A SMALL SLIVER OF PROPERTY ON THE EASTERN, NORTHEASTERN SIDE WITH THE CHURCH. UNDER CONTRACT WITH GATEWAY CHURCH. YEAH, OKAY, PERFECT. UNUSABLE FOR THEM. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD, I GUESS, THE STATEMENT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MONDAY NIGHT CORRECTLY, THERE ARE NO OTHER CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS RELATED TO THE SITE, AND, UM, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THEIR DISCRETION OF THIS APPLICATION, FOR WHATEVER REASON, DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, AND THEY HAVE ALL THEIR OPTIONS IN FRONT OF THEM. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I GUESS, UNLESS, UM, I GUESS THERE'S ANYTHING I MIS- MISSPOKE. OKAY. AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT I- I'M NOT THE ONE TO ASK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. ANYWAY, WE- GO AHEAD. WE'VE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOME TIME, A YEAR PLUS, AND UH, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT. WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF INPUT FROM SOME OF YOU AND MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, WE'VE BEEN TO, TO SPIN, WE'VE BEEN TO CORRIDOR, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS. WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INPUT ON THAT, AND, AND IT'S REALLY, UH, TO, TO MANY DEGREES, UH, FASHIONED HOW, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT. AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION. UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GO ON FOR HOURS, BUT IF YOU WOULD INDULGE US TO AT LEAST GET THE INFORMATION THAT ADDRESSES, UH, YEAH. SOME OF THAT'S GOING. NO, NO, DEFINITELY. AND YEAH. I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, AND JUST KNOWING WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK TONIGHT, I GUESS I'D JUST SAY ABSOLUTELY. TRY TO MAJOR ON THE MAJORS IF YOU COULD. FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ASK KENDRA TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT TOUCHMARK AND, AND THEIR HISTORY AND, AND UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO HERE. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'M PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT OF TOUCHMARK. WE ARE A 45-YEAR-OLD, ACTUALLY 46-YEAR-OLD COMPANY. UH, WE HAVE 4,700 EXISTING RESIDENTS AND OVER 3,000 TEAM MEMBERS, ABOUT 300 OF THEM ARE IN TEXAS. WE ARE A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, OWNER, AND OPERATOR. WE DEVELOP, OWN, AND OPERATE ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES. WE DON'T BUY OR SELL THEM. THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS NO OPERATION TEAM CHANGES AND NO REITS TRADING COMPANIES. IF WE BECOME A MEMBER OF THE TOUCHMARK COMMUNITY, WE'LL BE HERE FOR DECADES. OUR COMMUNITIES ARE A MIX OF DETACHED INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE HOMES, AND WE CREATE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A VIBRANT LIFE, NOT JUST THE HOME, SO THERE'S A LOT OF AMENITY SPACES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. THIS WILL BE OUR THIRD TEXAS COMMUNITY, AND IT IS RUN BY OUR APPLICANT ON THE APPLICANT, MIKE HARRELL, WHO'S BACK THERE. HE'S FROM GRAPEVINE, AND HE'S A SOONER, SO DON'T, UH, GIVE, UH, GIVE HIM TOO MUCH GRIEF ON THAT. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SOUTHLAKE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE FEEL IT'S A GOOD FIT CULTURALLY. WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER PROJECTS OF SENIOR LIVING THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'VE HEARD WHAT YOU WANTED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD WAS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY TO BE ON THE CORRIDOR, AND SO WHEN WE SAW THIS OPPORTUNITY, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD FIT. IT BLENDS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT IS NOTED TO BE DESIRABLE AND IS NOT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOUTHLAKE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SOUTHLAKE CURRENTLY HAS 1600 RESIDENTS OVER 75. IN SE- IN 30 YEARS, YOU'LL HAVE ABOUT 07,000 IF THEY DON'T GO AWAY. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE SENIOR DEMOGRAPHIC IS THE QUICKEST AGING, QUICKEST GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC, AND SOUTHLAKES GROWING 20% FASTER THAN THE REST OF TEXAS. CURRENTLY, YOUR ASSISTED LIVING IS FULL, AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T REALLY WANT TO LEAVE. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SENIOR LIVING OPTION THAT HAS THE FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE, SO WE CAN GO FROM A COTTAGE TO INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE. TOUCHMARK DOES SENIOR LIVING IN THE HIGHEST LEVEL. WE WANT TO BE THE BEST IN EACH COMMUNITY. WE TARGET THE TOP 25% OF HOME VALUES AS W- AS, [01:10:01] AND LOOK AT THAT AS WE DEVELOP OUR PROJECTS. WE HAVE VIBRANT SPACES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE VIBRANT SPACES ARE PROXIMATE TO OUR RESIDENTS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THE CAR AND DRIVE. AND THAT REALLY HAPPENS WITH PEDESTRIAN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR CONNECTIONS. TOUCHMARK WILL BRING TO SOUTHLAKE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC COMPARED TO OTHER USES, A SAFE PROJECT WITH BASICALLY NO CRIME, NO ADDITIONAL LOADS ON PARKS AND SCHOOLS, PROPERTY TAXES THAT A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY GENERATES, AND ON A PROJECT OF THIS CALIBER, THAT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. WE'LL BE A COMMUNITY PARTNER FOR SOUTHLAKE FOR YEARS TO COME. WE'RE A PLACE THAT YOU CAN KEEP YOUR FAMILY CLOSE BY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE SOUTHLAKE. WE'LL FREE UP LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN SOUTHLAKE TO MOVE INTO. AND, UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, CONTRACT, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, KUBIAK, YOU ASKED ABOUT THAT CONTRACT. IT IS THERE. I WANT TO SHARE THAT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE APPRAISED VALUE, AND ALL OF THAT REVENUE GOES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SHOULD THIS PROJECT BE SUCCESSFUL. UM, THIS, IF YOU SEE THIS PLAN UP HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE, UH, SENIOR LIVING MARKET, UH, CURRENT OPERATORS ARE IN YOUR AREA, AND THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS, AND THESE, THESE ARE SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS. UM, THEY ARE FULL AND THEY'RE SMALLER, AND NONE OF THEM HAVE THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT OUR RESIDENT LOOKS LIKE. I'M GOING TO JUST SAY IT REALLY EASY. 80 IS THE NEW 60. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY DATA THAT I ASKED OUR TEAM TO PULL TO SHOW ABOUT THE LAST 6,000 RESIDENTS IN TOUCHMARK. AND SURPRISINGLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ASSISTED LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE, THEY ALL ARE ABOUT THE SAME AGE. OUR AVERAGE AGE IS 85. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE UNDER 65, IT'S UNDER 3%. SO, UH, I, I WANT YOU TO KIND OF, IF YOU WILL, KEEP THIS LITTLE BAR CHART IN YOUR, IN YOUR MIND AS YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK TO CURTIS. THANK YOU. YES, UH, AND FOR THIS USE, THERE THERE'S BEEN SOME PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS ELSEWHERE IN SOUTHLAKE THAT WERE DENIED, AND WE LISTENED TO THAT, AND WE WE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, AND LOCATION WAS ONE OF THEM THAT THAT CAME UP. UH, UH, THE COMMENT WAS MADE, UH, THIS KIND OF USE NEEDS TO BE OUT ON 114. SO THIS SITE IS IS WITHIN THE CORRIDOR ALONG 114. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE 114, THE DOUBLE LINE, THE BLACK LINE THAT MEANDERS UP THERE IS KIRKWOOD. BASICALLY, FROM ONE END OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT HAS A VARIETY OF, OF, UH, MOSTLY RETAIL, SOME OFFICE, SOME INSTITUTIONAL USES ALONG THERE. SO THIS WOULD FIT RIGHT IN THAT, UH, CORRIDOR AND I THINK BE APPROPRIATE AND, AND WORK. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT, IS ON THE ZONING. WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? WHAT KIND OF PROTECTIONS FROM THE CITY? UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE CITY IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DENSITY CONVERSION TO SOME OTHER APARTMENT TYPE USE, UM, UH, THE, THE DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE MAIN, MAIN THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT. AND IN TALKING TO MANY OF THE, UH, UH, PEOPLE HERE, WE'VE, WE'VE PUT IN OUR AGE RESTRICTION INTO THE REGULATIONS, AND THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR US. IF, IF THE DEED, IF IT OUGHT TO BE IN DEED RESTRICTIONS AS WELL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WOULD READILY BE WI- BE WILLING TO DO ON THAT, BECAUSE AS UH, KENDRA JUST POINTED OUT, THE AVERAGE AGE IS IN THE 80S SOMEWHERE. THIS IS, THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO KIDS MOVE OUT OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, GO TO COLLEGE AND THEY THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THE EMPTY NESTERS. THIS IS BEYOND THE EMPTY NESTERS TYPE THING. SO THOSE KINDS OF, UH, THIS WOULD ONLY BE SENIOR LIVING. IT IT SAYS IN OUR REGULATIONS THAT THIS CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS EVER. UM, WE'VE UPPED, AT THE SUGGESTION OF, OF MANY, THE AGE RESTRICTION. USUALLY SENIOR LIVING THINGS HAVE A 55 AND UP AGE RESTRICTION. WE'VE SAID 62 AND UP, AT LEAST ONE OF THE PEOPLE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 62, BUT OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO, TO WHAT THE AVERAGES ARE IN THESE TYPE OF USES. AND, UH, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE REALLY AREN'T DWELLING UNITS. THEY DON'T HAVE KITCHENS, THEY DON'T HAVE OTHER THINGS, [01:15:01] BUT THOSE ARE INCLUDED, CHAIRMAN, IN THOSE DENSITY CALCULATIONS. BUT THE DENSITY IS, IS REALLY, IF THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FULL LIVING AREAS, CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN, THAN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. UH, HERE'S, UH, KIND OF THE VIEW DOWN THAT CORRIDOR I MENTIONED WITH, WITH CARROLL ON THE RIGHT, HIGHLAND, KIRKWOOD ON THE LEFT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WE'RE SURROUNDED BASICALLY BY COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES. UM, IN THE BACKGROUND OVER HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE WESTIN HOTEL AND BEYOND IT, THE, THE, THE GATEWAY CHURCH CAMPUS HERE. HERE'S THEIR XO, UH, BUILDING RIGHT IN HERE. UH, GRACE LANE GOES RIGHT UP IN HERE. UH, THESE TREES ARE THE TREES THAT ARE KIND OF BETWEEN US AND THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS OUT OF THE PICTURE OVER HERE. THOSE ARE THE TREES THAT WE'RE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON SAVING BECAUSE OF THAT. UH, AND AND HERE'S THE SITE IN A OBLIQUE OR A STRAIGHT DOWN VIEW HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE 280 FEET AWAY FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD. SO WHAT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT RETAINS A FUTURE COMMERCIAL SITE FOR THE CITY. IT SAYS OFFICE THERE, BUT THAT'S REALLY A RETAIL COMMERCIAL LAND USE, UH, IN THAT KIND OF TRAPEZOIDAL SHAPE THERE. SO, UH, THIS CAN HAPPEN WITHOUT TAKING AWAY THE POSSIBILITY FOR A FUTURE RETAIL RESTAURANT, UH, COMMERCIAL TYPE SITE IN THAT AREA. AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WESTIN HOTEL, UM, EAST OF THAT. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE TO THE, TO THE WEST IS CEDAR RIDGE OFFICE PARK THAT'S COMPLETELY BUILT OUT. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU CAN SEE GATEWAY CHURCH. UM, THE, THE OFFERING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SENIOR WHO WILL BE INTERESTED IN THIS HAVE A VARIETY OF NEEDS AND WANTS AND LIVING PERSONALITIES. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE THEM A VARIETY OF OPTIONS IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING THING, ANYWHERE FROM THE COURTYARD VILLAS, THE RESIDENCE FLATS. COURTYARD VILLAS ARE, ARE, ARE ONE STORY, BASICALLY, UH, THINGS THAT THEY ACTUALLY MIGHT LIVE IN OUTSIDE OF THIS, BUT THEY'RE PART OF THIS. THEY GET, THEY GET ALL THE AMENITIES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE RESIDENCE FLATS TEND TO A BUILDING THERE. THOSE ARE THREE-STORY UNITS. UH, AND THEN THE CENTRAL BUILDING, WHICH IS MAIN THE LIVING ROOM FOR THE CLUB LIFE, IS IS WHERE MOST OF THE AMENITIES AND AND SOCIAL AND DINING AND THOSE KINDS OF OF THINGS OCCUR. BUT WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR CHOICE FROM THE VARIETY OF UH UH CARE THERE. AND THEN SHOULD THEY OR SOMEONE THEY LIVE WITH NEED IT, THERE'S ALSO THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY SUPPORT THAT IS, UH, OFF THE, THE MAIN BUILDING THERE. UM, BUT OF THOSE CHOICES AND THE ARCHITECTURE, I'D LIKE TO ASK SIOBHAN TO COME UP AND, AND GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE. OKAY, SO GETTING INTO THE ARCHITECTURE HERE, YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN, JUST TO ORIENT- ORIENTATE YOU. THIS IS KIRKWOOD ALONG HERE. WE'RE FACING, UH, PLAN. UH, WE HAVE CARROLL AVENUE RIGHT HERE, AND THEN GRACE LANE OVER HERE. UM, AS, UH, CURTIS HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S VARIOUS TYPES OF TYPE OF, UH, BUILDING, UH, TYPES HERE. UM, WE HAVE, UH, ONE-STORY, UH, VILLAS. WE HAVE THE AL MEMORY CARE BUILDING RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE THE MAIN BUILDING THAT IS REALLY CENTERED. WE REALLY WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE, UH, CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND LINE THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE LOWER RISE, UM, BUILDING TYPES. AND THEN OVER HERE WE HAVE THE STACKED FLATS. I'LL GET INTO THE DIFFERENT USES, UM, IN THE NEXT SLIDE. HERE WE HAVE, UM, THE COURTYARD VILLAS. THERE'S, THERE ARE THREE OF EACH TYPE. UM, THEY ARE NICELY LANDSCAPED. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SITE WALLS THAT WE ANTICIPATE INCORPORATING, UM, THE COURTYARDS THAT WOULD BE KIND OF INSI- INSIDE AND OUTSIDE FEELING. UM, INSIDE EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS, THERE WILL BE 3 UNITS RANGING IN 1800 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE THE 3 STORY, UH, RESIDENT FLATS. UM, JUST THESE ARE THE FEEL, FEEL LOOK AND FEEL OF THAT. UM, THIS IS AN IMAGE HERE THAT WE RENDERED, UH, LOOK AND FEEL. UM, THESE AVERAGE UNIT SIZES WILL BE AROUND 2000 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER BUILDING WILL BE 10, SO A TOTAL OF 40, AND ALL THEIR PARKING IS IN A GARAGE, MUCH LIKE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THEN THE MEMORY CARE AND ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING IS RIGHT HERE. UM, WITHIN THAT BUILDING, WE ARE LOOKING AT A THREE-STORY, UM, BUILDING. THERE IS 84 A ASSISTED LIVING, 32 MEMORY SUPPORT. UM, THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE AL, UM, ASSISTED LIVING, UM, UNITS IS 700, AND THE [01:20:01] MEMORY SUPPORT, UH, IS 400. THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE MAIN BUILDING. UM, THIS IS WHERE REALLY THE, THE LIFE OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY IS. SO IT'S HIGHLY AMENITIZED. WE ARE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE DINING VENUES, WELLNESS, FITNESS, AEROBICS, MULTI-PURPOSE POOL, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR CONNECTION TO THE LANDSCAPE. WE'LL SHOW SOME OF THOSE MOOD IMAGES IN A MINUTE. UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE, UM, MOST OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING WILL BE. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 190- 92 UNITS THERE, RANGING IN 1300 SQUARE FEET. UH, THIS IS A MOOD IMAGE THAT WE, UH, ARE SHARING, A PROJECT THAT WE DID IN, UH, LOS ANGELES. IT'S A HOTEL. UM, YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE AUTOCORD ARRIVAL. IT WOULD BE MUCH LIKE THIS, UH, MATERIALITY THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, VERY ENHANCED LANDSCAPE, UM, HEAVILY, UH, LANDSCAPED ALONG THE BUILDING EDGE. UM, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MEDITERRANEAN FEEL HERE, MUCH LIKE WHAT YOU, UM, M- A LOT OF RESIDENTS M- MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE IN DALLAS. UM, SO WE'VE MODELED IT AFTER THAT TOO. UM, AT THE BACK, UH, UH, WE HAVE A TERRACE THAT SPILLS OUT FOR THE MAIN BUILDING. UM, WE ANTICIPATE SOME INDOOR AND OUTDOOR CONNECTION, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS POPULATION. UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, UH, NORTH, UH, NORTHEAST AREAS WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME SPILL OUT FOR LOUNGE SEATINGS AND JUST, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH NATURE. AND THEN JUST THE LOOK AND FEEL FOR, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE FOR THE MAIN IL INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING. SOME OF THE, UM, WE'RE JUST SHARING JUST SOME OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT YOU CAN ANTICIPATE FOR THE, UH, LOUNGE AREA FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING. THIS COULD BE, UM, LOUNGE AREA FOR THE, UH, ENTRY SEQUENCING, UM, THE, UH, SEATING THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT THE MAIN DOOR. AND THEN FOR THE DINING VENUES, UH, THERE THERE WOULD BE A FEW DINING VENUES, UH, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE MAIN. UH, THIS WOULD JUST BE, UH, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT YOU COULD EXPECT TO SEE IN THAT AREA TOO. UH, AND THEN THE WELLNESS. THIS IS A VERY HEAVY WELLNESS FORWARD, UH, COMMUNITY. SO, UH, ON THE LOWER LEVEL, WE WOULD HAVE A ENCLOSED POOL, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND THEN AEROBICS AREA. AND JUST GETTING INTO THE SCALE OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH MAYBE A, A DRAGON FOOTBALL FIELD THAT'S, UH, OVERLAID OVER THE SITE RIGHT HERE. UM, THIS IS JUST OVER 365 FEET TO THE CENTER, UH, OF THE DOOR FOR THE MAIN INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING. AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO, UH, PHASING. UM, THIS PREVIOUSLY CAME UP. THIS IS VERY MUCH A TOUCH MARK APPROACH, UM, AND ALSO AN APPROACH THAT, UH, MANY LIFE PLAN COMMUNITIES, UH, HAVE TO DO TO BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE. UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CENSUS TO BE, UH, UH, LAYERED AS FAR AS THE APPROPRIATE MIX FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY SUPPORT. SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UH, THE PROJECT IS PHASED UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY LEASED UP. UM, WITH THAT BEING, UH, SAID, UH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS BEING THE PHASE ONE. UM, SO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, UH, WOULD BE A, A NICELY GRASSED AREA THAT WOULD BE FULLY LANDSCAPED AND THEN READY, PAD READY FOR A FUTURE PHASE OF, UH, MEMORY CARE AND ASSISTED LIVING. UM, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A FUTURE PHASE FOR, UH, TWO FLATS RIGHT HERE, AND THEN A FUTURE PHASE FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, UM, WING. THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS WHAT THAT BUILD OUT WOULD LOOK LIKE. HERE IS SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU CAN ANTICIPATE FROM, UH, THIS IS LOOKING AT, UH, CARROLL, BIRD'S EYE VIEW. YOU SEE THE VILLA, ONE STORY VILLA ON THE LOWER LEFT, UM, THE ARRIVAL SEQUENCE. YOU SEE THAT ENHANCED LANDSCAPE THAT WE JUST SAW IN THE MOOD, MOOD IMAGES, MOOD IMAGE FROM THE HOTEL THAT I JUST SHARED WITH YOU. UM, THIS WOULD BE THE TERRACE THAT WE, UM, ANTICIPATE INDOOR OUTDOOR CONNECTION FOR THE AMENITIES. UM, AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE, WE, WE DO NEED FIRE ACCESS AROUND THE NORTH, UM, EAST SIDE, AND, UH, WE WORKED WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD GET THAT, BUT MAKE IT FEEL MORE PEDESTRIAN AND LESS ABOUT, UM, UH, ARRIVAL FOR, UM, A, A FIRE LANE. UM, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THESE RESIDENTS STAY ACTIVE AND, AND WE PROVIDE THOSE TRAILS THAT HAVE THAT LOT, A LOT OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR CONNECTION. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE WESTIN IN IN THE IN THE BACKGROUND RIGHT HERE. UM, THIS IS THE CORNER OF HIGHLAND, HIGHLAND STREET AND CARROLL. YOU CAN SEE THE OFFICE BUILDINGS OVER HERE TO MIMIC THE SCALE AND, UH, SIZE OF THE VILLAS ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEN LOOKING NORTHWEST, UM, HERE IS THE WESTIN HOTEL, AND THEN YOU SEE THE, THE PHASE TWO EXPANSION RIGHT HERE, THE FLATS RIGHT HERE, [01:25:01] THE CHURCH, AND THEN A ASS- ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY SUPPORT BUILDING AND THE VILLAS IN THE BACK. AND THEN I'LL PASS IT ON TO OUR, UM, UH, KENDRA. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO CHIME INTO THIS ONE DESIGN FEATURE BECAUSE I'M P- PARTICULARLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. OUR COMMUNITIES ARE DEVELOPED FOR THE LOCATION EVERY TIME. WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF COOKIE CUTTER, AND THE HISTORY OF THAT LOCATION IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO ME, AND THIS IS A, A PRETTY IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY OF, UH, SOUTHLAKE CARROLL SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WHO KOY, WHO'S GOING TO BE TALKING HERE IN A MOMENT, UM, THOUGHT OF WAS TO CREATE THIS KIND OF PUBLIC PARK AT THE CORNER SO THAT WE CAN REALLY HONOR THAT HISTORY, UM, WITH A, WITH A CARROLL SCHOOL, UM, UH, MONUMENT AND A PLACE TO REFLECT. BUT I'D LIKE TO TAKE IT A BIT FURTHER. THIS PICTURE IS, UM, YOU COULD SEE THIS IS PART OF OUR SWEDE, UH, SWEDEVILLE PUBLIC HOUSE. IT'S A OLD SWEDISH SETTLEMENT IN PORTLAND, OREGON. WE GOT TO ACTUALLY HAD A HISTORIAN INTERVIEW ALL OF THE FORMAL FAMILY MEMBERS. WE, ALL OF THE, THE, UH, ART IN IT IS ACTUALLY OLD FAMILY PORTRAITS, AND WE EVEN WENT A BIG, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND CREATED THIS HISTORY WALL, AND SOME, THESE ARE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE A STORY. SO THIS ISN'T JUST TALK, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PARTICULARLY PASSIONATE ABOUT, AND WE CAN SEE HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE THE STORY OF SOUTHLAKE CARROLL, NOT ONLY IN OUR AMENITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS TO ENJOY, BUT THE PUBLIC AS WELL. AND I'LL LET COY TALK. REAL QUICK ON THAT, ON THAT NOTE, I GUESS, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT PUT INTO PRESERVING AND KIND OF INCORPORATING THE OLD HISTORICAL BUILDING INTO THE SITE PLAN? YEAH, IT'S NOT SAFE AT ALL AND FULL, UH, I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN GO AND WALK IN IT OR TRY, BECAUSE I, I TRIED. IT'S THE, THE, THE, IT'S, IT'S THE ORIGINAL BRICK BUILDING, NOT, NOT THE 60S BUILDING, YEAH, BUT THE ORIGINAL BRICK BUILDING, BUT IT'S LOVELY BRICK, SO I EXPECT FOR US TO REUSE AND REPURPOSE THOSE BRICKS, BUT SO IT, IT CAN'T BE RENOVATED AT ANY COST? NO. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY COST, BUT, UM, THE STRUCTURE OTHER THAN THE, THE OUTSIDE WALLS THEMSELVES ARE, ARE NOT SAFE. OKAY. UM, IT'S ALSO, IT, IT'S PROBABLY ALSO NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE, WELL, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER THAT FULLY, BUT WE DO INTEND TO, UH, OVERALL EDGE CONDITIONS, THIS IS A, A EXISTING SHOT OF KIRKWOOD AND WHAT IS THERE NOW, AND REAL FOCUS, THIS IS THE AREA NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS THE, UH, STRONG GROWTH OF TREE RESERVE THAT WE HAVE, IN WHICH WE SAVE 55% OF THE EXISTING TREES. AND AS, AS YOU SEE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL, UH, HEIGHT AND OVERALL DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THE TREES. AND AGAIN, YOU SAW, UH, CARROLL WAS A, A DRAGON FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY. THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR PIECE WITH THE EXISTING TREES NOT, UH, NOT ALTERED. YOU SAW THE EXISTING AND HOW THE, THE LAYERING OF THE BUILDING GOES IN. SO IT'S A VERY FILTERED VIEW AND VERY INTERESTING ARCHITECTURALLY. UH, LOT, EVERYTHING AROUND THE PERIMETER HAS VERY SIGNIFICANT EDGE ENHANCEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE WALL EDGE CONDITIONS, THE WALKING TRAILS, ALL OF THAT. UH, AND THIS IS, TO ME, ONE OF THE STRONGEST THING ABOUT THIS IS, YEAH, WE HAVE THE HEIGHTS TO DEAL WITH, BUT A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE USUALLY IS MAYBE 20% O- OPEN SPACE, AND WITHIN THAT, UH, THERE'S VAST AMOUNTS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL OF, OF SITE PARKING. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. UH, WE HAVE, UH, 45% OPEN SPACE, AND THEN RESPONDING THE TREE TREE PRESERVE, UM, WE'VE ALSO WILL BE PLANTING 1400 TREES, OR SOME 4000 INCHES OF TREES, WHICH FAR EXCEEDS, YOU KNOW, THE THE PRESERVATION CODE AS AS WE PROJECT OUT IN THE FUTURE. AND IT'S A GREAT REPURPOSE OF THE SITE. UH, THE OTHER COMPONENT IS, UH, NOT ONLY IS IT OPEN SPACE, BUT WE HAVE, UM, 19 COURTYARDS AND ONE GREEN ROOF TERRACE THAT, UH, CO- COVERS EXISTING PARKING DECK, AND THAT'S 27,000 FEET. SO IN TO DO THIS, THIS ISN'T A CHEAP MOVE. UH, THE OTHER BIG COMPONENT OF THIS IS, UNLIKE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, YOU HAVE BACK DOORS, CORRIDORS, THINGS LIKE THIS, UM, E- EXCEPT FOR THE EDGE ALONG RE- [01:30:02] WESTON, WHERE WE HAVE A SERVICE DRIVE THAT BACKS UP TO WESTON SERVICE DRIVE. EVERYTHING FEELS LIKE FRONT DOOR. THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL, THERE'S REALLY NO BACKSIDE TO ALL THIS. WE USE IT FROM THE CARROLL, UH, THE INTERIOR COURTYARDS FOR THE VILLAS, MORE PRIVATE COURTYARDS, THEN, UH, UH, COMMUNITY COURTYARDS FOR DINING, TERRACES, POOL AREAS, ROOF TERRACES OVERLOOKING, UH, THAT, SEEING THE PRESERVE, AND THEN HOW WE LAYER IN THE, UH, UH, HARDSCAPE AND THE WALKING TRAILS. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL AMENITIES THAT GO IN FIRST PHASE. THERE'S, THERE'S NO, WELL, WHEN WE GET THE NEXT PHASE, WE'LL BE DOING THIS. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING NOW. SO HERE'S THE OTHER BIG ONE, THE TREE PRESERVE ALONG THE EDGES AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND HOW IT'S FILTERED VIEW, FALLING UNDER THE 4 TO 1, UH, HEIGHT RESTRICTION. UM, THEN, IT AS THIS ANOTHER SIGNATURE ENHANCEMENT, THE HEIGHT OF THESE TREES, AND WE'VE JUST DONE THIS ALONG THE GOLF COURSE, UH, ALONG CARROLL, WE'LL PUT IN, UH, 25 TO 30 FOOT TREES ALONG THAT WHOLE EDGE, EVERGREENS, FILTERED VIEWS, AND AND AS AS YOU HAVE THE PRIMARY ARRIVAL, UH, ON ON CARROLL, UH, ALL GUESTS AND RESIDENTS. SO GUESTS DO SURFACE PARKING, AND STAFF DO SURFACE PARKING. ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE GARAGE PARKING IF THEY'RE IN VILLAS OR FLATS, OR UNDERGROUND PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE MAIN IL RESIDENCES. AND SPECIFICALLY TO THIS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS A GOAL FOR US, AND IT WORKED OUT VERY NICELY, WHERE WE, UH, SEPARATE SERVICE, BACK OF HOUSE USES, AND STAFF FROM VISITORS AND RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF HOW YOU LOAD THE SITE. THANKS, COY. LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. SO WE PERFORMED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED. FROM THAT, THIS PROJECT GENERATES 90% LESS TRAFFIC THAN WHAT THE CURRENT LAND USE SHOWS, CURRENT LAND USE PLAN SHOWS. THIS ALSO GENERATES 83% LESS TRAFFIC THAN IF THE SCHOOL WAS IN USE. THE PROJECTED VOLUMES FROM OUR SITE EQUAL 2% OF THE TOTAL TRAFFIC ALONG NORTH CARROLL. AND, AND HOW AM I GOING TO FEEL THAT? HOW DO I PERCEIVE THAT? EACH DRIVER ALONG CARROLL WOULD PERCEIVE LESS THAN A 1 SECOND DELAY AT EACH INTERSECTION. SENIOR LIVING IS ONE OF THE BEST OFF-PEAK HOUR TYPE GENERATORS, AND THE PEAK FOR A THIS FACILITY DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE SCHOOL DROP-OFF TIME. EVEN AT SCHOOL DROP-OFF, THIS IS LESS THAN 2% OF THE TRAFFIC, AND AGAIN, THE SAME, IN MY OPINION, UNNOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE OF LESS THAN A SECOND PER VEHICLE AT EACH INTERSECTION. LET'S ALSO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE. WE HEARD A LOT DURING CORRIDOR AND SPIN, UM, ABOUT SOME OF THE ADJACENT DRAINAGE CONCERNS. WITH THAT, WE ARE ACTUALLY OVER-DETAINING ON SITE, USING BOTH, AS STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF SHOWING, ABOVE GRADE AND BELOW GRADE DETENTION TO REDUCE THE PEAK RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY BY 17%. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ON THE EXISTING CONDITION. WE'RE DOING THIS BY REALLY INTEGRATING INTO THE LANDSCAPE. AS COY MENTIONED, YOU SAW, YOU SAW ALL THE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS GOING IN HERE. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CHARACTER IMAGES TOP RIGHT OF KIND OF THE STONE WALLS AND, AND A VERY NATURAL LOOK AND FEEL. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME EXISTING DRAINAGE ISSUES DOWNSTREAM NORTHEAST OF THIS PROPERTY THAT ARE UNRELATED TO THIS PROJECT. THESE COULD POTENTIALLY BE IMPROVED WITH A REGIONAL DRAINAGE APPROACH THAT WOULD INVOLVE MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS AND THE CITY. WE'VE STUDIED THIS APPROACH SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING CASE, AND WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY ON SOLVING YOUR REGIONAL, UH, APPROACH FROM THE EXISTING ISSUE. OKAY, SO HERE'S KIND OF A, A SUMMARY SL- SLIDE SHOWING THE, THE SITE PLAN, ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN WITH THOSE VARIOUS VIEWS, UH, NOTED WHERE THEY'RE FROM. UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. UH, WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE TEAM HERE, SO WHETHER IT'S ENGINEERING, LANDSCAPE, ARCHITECTURE, OR JUST ZONING, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE. YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I'VE GOT A FEW, I THINK SOME OTHERS PROBABLY DO AS WELL. MAYBE BEFORE WE GET FOCUSED A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE, THE ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN PORTION [01:35:01] OF IT, MAYBE ON THE, THE S- THE REQUEST ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, IF THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP. I MEAN, I THINK AS FOLKS KNOW, UH, WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN PLANNING IN OUR, IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, SOMETHING RESIDENTS ARE VERY INVOLVED IN, CITY COUNCIL VOTES ON A LOT, SO WE TYPICALLY FOLLOW IT, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RESIDENTS TYPICALLY WANT. WE HAVE CASES WHERE WE DO CHANGE IT. TYPICALLY, THOSE ARE DOWN ZONING. I GUESS THIS ONE IS, I GUESS, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER, GENERALLY SPEAKING, MOST OF THE SITE IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AND THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO MIXED USE, WHICH BY DEFINITION TYPICALLY IS A LITTLE MORE INTENSE LAND USE. SO I GUESS. SOME OF IT'S RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTHERN END THERE. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY SMALL SLIVER. I MEAN, I'D SAY LIKE 80% OF IT'S OFFICE COMMERCIAL. SOME OF IT'S MIXED USE ON THE EASTERN SIDE. THERE'S I MEAN, WE CAN PULL THAT MAP BACK UP, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF IT IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. AND I GUESS MAYBE- YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS. UH, MAYBE JUST MORE FROM THE, THE DISTRICT'S PERSPECTIVE RELATIVE TO JUST TH- THIS REQUEST, I GUESS. DID YOU ALL ENGAGE IN KIND OF A, A LAND USE STUDY WITH LIKE A, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FIRM THAT KIND OF ENGAGED IN KIND OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL LAND USES, WHETHER IT'S ONES THAT WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL USE THAT, THAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A LESSER DENSE RESIDENTIAL VERSION, OR WHY, WHY THIS VERSION, I GUESS? WERE THERE, WERE THERE STUDIES BEHIND IT, OR? THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS HAS BEEN OUT UNDER CONTRACT, AND SO THE FIRST, UH, THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER THAT WAS UNDER CONTRACT BEFORE COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK. SO THAT, THAT CONTRACT FELL THROUGH. WE PUT IT OUT, WE PUT IT BACK OUT FOR BID, AND, UH, WE, OR THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, CONSIDERED THIS THE BEST OPTION. OKAY, AND IS, IS THE APPRAISAL BASED ON THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION? YES, YES, SIR. OKAY, SO THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL, PREDOMINANTLY OFFICE COMMERCIAL. YES, SIR. OKAY, AND I GUESS WAS THAT CONTEMPLATED BY THE DISTRICT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I GUESS, I GUESS, DID YOU SOLICIT OFFERS FROM COMMERCIAL OFFICE USERS, OR OR ON THIS PARTICULAR GO AROUND, WE GOT, WE GOT 2 OFFERS. OKAY. AND SO. OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CONTEXT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE MORE INTENSE LAND USE DESERT. I'LL YOU- I'LL PUT IT IN A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. THIS PARTICULAR OFFERING HAD HAD 2, 2 BIDDERS ON IT. PUT THAT IN DURHAM'S CASE, AND I THINK WE HAD 14 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD, WE HAD MUCH MORE INTEREST, I THINK BECAUSE THIS WAS A COMMERCIAL TYPE SITUATION INSTEAD OF A, INSTEAD OF THE OTHER ONE WE WERE PUTTING. OKAY. AND AND ONE LAST QUESTION, I GUESS, IN IN THE THE, THE DEED RESTRICTION QUESTION KIND OF GOT ME THINKING, I GUESS. IS THIS A FEE SIMPLE LAND SALE, OR DID YOU, DID YOU ALL CONSIDER MAYBE A GROUND LEASE CONCEPT, LIKE A 99-YEAR GROUND LEASE WHERE THE DISTRICT HOLDS ON TO THE LAND, MAYBE GETS GROUND LEASE PAYMENTS? IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A SALE. IT'S PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FROM THE POINT BEING THAT IF YOU HOLD ON TO THE LAND, THE DISTRICT WOULD CONTROL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. YOU KNOW, YEAH. IT, IT, WE JUST PUT IT UP FOR SALE. YEAH. OKAY, SO THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED. THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE PLAN. OKAY, OKAY. NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS. OKAY. ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE DISTRICT OR... I WANT TO SORT OF, I WANT TO SORT OF TAKE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT THIS BEING A MORE INTENSE USE, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, IT'S A MUCH LESS INTENSE USE. AND I'LL JUST USE GRANITE PROPERTIES, TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS HERE IN, IN, IN TOWN SQUARE. THAT'S 300,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE AND 900 PARKING SPOTS ON 5 ACRES. AND IF YOU DID THAT PROJECT 3 TIMES ON THIS SITE, WHICH YOU COULD DO, AND WHICH THE ZONING OVERLAY MAP WOULD SUPPORT, YOU WOULD HAVE A MILLION SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE AND 3,000 CARS. IF THE ZONING WAS APPROVED. IF THE ZONING WAS APPROVED, BUT IT'S IN THE OVERLAY. SO, I MEAN, TO JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A MORE INTENSE USE, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. THIS, THIS, AND WE CAN DELIBERATE LATER, BUT THIS LAND USE DOES NOT INCORPORATE ANY RETAIL USE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY AND RETAIL WOULD ONLY MAKE IT MORE DENSE. THAT'S WHAT THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION WOULD BRING IN, AND AGAIN, HOWEVER WE FEEL ABOUT THE ZONING CASE IS INDEPENDENT. WE'RE CHANGING, WE'RE, WE ARE FOR THE FUTURE, WE ARE CHANGING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION HERE FOR WHATEVER MAY COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. SO JUST, JUST TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I THINK, I THINK I'M GOOD ON THE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DISTRICT. I WAS GOING TO ASK CURTIS QUESTIONS NOW. CURTIS, UM, UH, ON THE, UM, DRAINAGE, I GUESS WE, I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE, UM, SITUATIONS, I [01:40:01] GUESS, HERE IN TOWN. I GUESS THE METHODIST HOSPITAL WAS ONE OF THEM WHERE THE UNDERGROUND DRAIN SIT- SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK OUT, I GUESS. ARE THERE DIFFERENCES HERE? I MEAN, HOW DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE, UH, PLAN WILL HOLD UP, I GUESS, OR MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, ALEX CAN COME UP YEAH. TALK TO THAT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT'S ABOVE GROUND. YEAH, AND WE'LL MEET AND EXCEED CITY, CITY REQUIREMENTS. ULTIMATELY, IT'S A DESIGN SYSTEM THAT OUR SEAL IS ON THAT WE HAVE TO BACK, AND TYPICALLY THESE UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS COME WITH AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED TO STAFF WITH THE PLANS THAT IS THEN RECORDED, AND THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THOSE SYSTEMS. OKAY. I'M ASSUMING, I THINK I'VE READ MAYBE IN THE CORRIDOR MINUTE MINUTES THAT THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT TYPE THAN THE METHODIST SYSTEM. I THINK THIS ONE'S, I GUESS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE RE- CONCRETE REINFORCED, OR, UM, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET IN A SITUATION WHERE THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE DRAINAGE DOESN'T FUNCTION LIKE WE DID THERE. SURE, YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SELECTED AN EXACT PRODUCT JUST YET. UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE KINDS. IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO ASSURING THAT YOUR VOLUME IS ADEQUATE AND THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO MAINTENANCE OF A, OF A SYSTEM THAT IS EASY TO MAINTAIN. THAT'S ALWAYS OUR GOAL WHEN WE DESIGN. OKAY, MAYBE, MAYBE JUST AS ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS, I GUESS, LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO OUR CITY ORDINANCE, AND THEN MAYBE IF YOU CAN GET THE HISTORY BEHIND THE, THE METHODIST HOSPITAL CASE, MAKE SURE WHATEVER WAS DONE THERE IS NOT, NOT DONE HERE. UM, AND THEN THE, I GUESS THE UNIT COUNT, 357 UNITS, I GUESS, IS THERE ANY MAGIC BEHIND THAT NUMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WAS COME UP WITH, HOW DENSE THE SITE WAS, WAS PLANNED, UM, AND THEN I GUESS HOW THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE HEIGHT OF THE SITE AS WELL. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY... YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, AS AS KENDRA MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT COMES WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ON-SITE AMENITIES, AND THE, THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS YOU NEED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DE- DEVELOP ALL THAT. THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE IS AN ADJUNCT TO THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND IT'S PROBABLY SIZED TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES THAT START OFF IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING. UH, M- MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN ASSISTED LIVING PROBABLY WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE, IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, SO THAT'S SIZE THERE, BUT, BUT THOSE AREN'T FULL, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL TYPE AREAS. I UNDERSTAND YOU USE THEM IN, IN THE, IN THE CALCULATIONS, BUT. OKAY, AND I GUESS, AND I GUESS THAT KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH TRYING TO MEET THE, I GUESS, THE, THE TREE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, THE 70, 70% VERSUS THE 52% THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE STAFF REPORT, I GUESS. IS IT 70% TO REACH OR? IS IS A PRETTY HIGH BAR TO MEET, AND AS COY MENTIONED, WE'RE PLANTING SO MANY TREES AFTERWARDS, IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A VERITABLE FOREST. NO, I KNOW, IT'S JUST TIP- SOMETHING TYPICALLY THAT COMES UP AT COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW. YES. SO I JUST, I'M TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND JUST UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BETTER, SO. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM FOLKS ON THE DIETS? YEAH. SO, AT THE CORRIDOR MEETING, I THINK I HAD ASKED WHAT THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY RATES IN THE MCKINNEY AND THE AUSTIN DEVELOPMENTS WERE, AND YOU HAD SAID ABOUT 75% OCCUPIED OR NOT YET STABILIZED, AND THAT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO. IS THAT STILL ABOUT THE SAME, OR ARE THEY... I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? THAT WAY WE GET IT ON THE RECORD SO IT'S EVERYBODY CAN HEAR IT AT HOME. SO, SO, UH, IS IT CANNOVA, IS HOW YOU SAY IT? YES. YES, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CANNOVA, OUR, UM, OUR MCKINNEY COMMUNITY JUST RECENTLY OPENED. I BELIEVE THEY'RE 85%, AND OUR GEORGETOWN COMMUNITY, WHICH, UM, IS ALSO GROWING, I THINK IS ABOUT THE SAME. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I COULD LOOK AT OUR OCCUPANCY NUMBERS AND LET YOU KNOW IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S IN MY SPREADSHEET. OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER EVERY 16 COMMUNITIES, BUT BOTH OF THEM HAVE GROWN SINCE CORRIDOR. OKAY, AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, IN THE SAME THAT, UH, CURTIS, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE CHANGING THE, THE AGE MINIMUM TO 62 FROM 55. ARE YOUR OTHER FACILITIES 55 AND UP, AND DO YOU THINK INCREASING THAT AGE WILL HINDER YOUR ABILITY TO GET OCCUPANCY STABILIZED? N- NO. THEY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, UM, REQUIREMENT. I KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND THEN AGAIN, I'M GOING TO PUT THIS UP HERE. I THINK THAT LESS THAN 3% OF THEIR RESIDENTS ARE LESS THAN 75. OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT GROWTH CURVE, THAT HAPPENS USUALLY IN, UH, MEMORY CARE OR SKILLED NURSING BECAUSE OF NEED, NOT BECAUSE OF LIFESTYLE. OKAY. SORRY, ONE MORE. DO YOU HAVE ACTUAL PHOTOS IN HERE OF YOUR OTHER FACILITIES, OR WERE THESE JUST GENERATED TO SORT OF DEPICT WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? UH, THESE ARE OUR EXISTING FAC- THIS ON THIS ONE, THESE ARE ALL [01:45:01] EXISTING COMMUNITIES. SOME OF THEM ARE IN PORTLAND, AND I THINK MCKINNEY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF TEXAS. OKAY, AND THEN, SORRY, ONE MORE. UH, OF YOUR FACILITIES, THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERPERFORMING, OR IF THERE ARE ANY, WHERE ARE THEY, AND LIKE, WHAT ARE THE REASONS THAT YOU THINK YOU HAVEN'T, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU THINK? WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY UNDERPERFORMING COMMUNITIES. UM, OUR AVERAGE OCCUPANCY IS 92%, AND SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. UM, WHEN WE DO HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GROWING, IT'S BECAUSE WE IN- INITIALLY, UH, OPENED AN EXPANSION, OR IT'S A NEW COMMUNITY. ANOTHER THING THAT OUR, WE ARE VERY SELECTIVE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT COME IN, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE OPEN THE DOORS AND THEN 100 PEOPLE MOVE IN. WE MAY HAVE 2 OR AT WHEN WE BRAND, WHEN WE OPEN, WE MAY HAVE 2 OR 3 PEOPLE MOVE IN EVERY 2 OR 3 DAYS BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT JUST BUILDING OCCUPANCY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. WE MAY, UH, WE MAY NEED YOU LATER, AS YOU KNOW, SO DON'T SURE, WE'RE GO FAR. AVAILABLE FOR ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS. DISMISSED FOR NOW. UM, AS I STATED EARLIER, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. I KNOW THAT'S THE ONE, OBVIOUSLY, MANY OF YOU ARE, ARE HERE FOR. UM, AGAIN, JUST A QUICK KIND OF REHASH, AND WE'LL TRY TO DO THIS AS PRODUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK, WANT TO GET THAT IN. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'LL DO IS I HAVE COMMENT CARDS UP HERE FIRST. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, UH, EITHER REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION BUT DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK, SO WE'LL READ THAT INTO THE, WE'LL READ THAT INTO THE RECORD. SORRY, I'LL MAKE SURE I'M SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE HERE. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE COMMENT CARDS THAT WE WILL READ OFF, UH, SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION INTO THE RECORD FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. THEN WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS WHERE WE'LL START CALLING NAMES FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP. I'LL TRY TO ALTERNATE IT, KIND OF TELL YOU WHO, WHO'S SPEAKING NOW AND WHO'S ON DECK SO WE CAN KIND OF KEEP IT FLOWING. UM, AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU'LL, YOU'LL, AS YOU KIND OF SAW EARLIER, JUST NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IS HELPFUL. UM, YOU'LL GET UP TO 3 MINUTES. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE. THE, THE LITTLE LIGHTS AND CONSIDERATION OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK. AGAIN, PLEASE TRY TO MAINTAIN A COURTROOM, UH, DECORUM IN HERE, AND WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS PRODUCTIVELY AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO, TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. UM, AND AGAIN, COMMENTS ON THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS, AND, AND JUST TO, TO RECONFIRM AGAIN, IT'S FOR, UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR BOTH ITEMS 7 AND 8, WHICH IS THE LAND USE CHANGE AND THE, UH, ZONING AND CONCEPT PLAN. SO, UH, COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST HELPFUL FOR US. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN EXPRESS WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. YOU COULD TELL US THE SCORE OF THE COWBOY GAME, WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT ARE THE MOST HELPFUL FOR US. SO, UH, AND PLEASE JUST DIRECT ANY OF THE COMMENTS AT US, AND WE'LL KIND OF AGGREGATE THEM UP, AND AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH, AND IF THERE ARE ITEMS TO, TO KIND OF ADDRESS OR CLARIFY, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, WE'LL DO THAT. SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND FORMALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS NUMBER 7 AND 8, WHICH DO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE COMMENT CARDS OF FOLKS THAT, UH, WANT TO REGISTER EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION BUT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. UM, AND THIS IS THE HARDEST PART OF THIS ROLE, IS I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. A LOT OF NAMES WILL BE MISPRONOUNCED. I PROMISE I'M GOING TO TRY TO READ THESE NAMES AS, AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE, UM, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. UH, DAVID POTENZA OF 1000 INDEPENDENCE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM. UM, AL ZITO, I THINK YOU PROBABLY DO WISH TO SPEAK, UM, MAYBE ON ONE OF THE ITEMS. MAYBE I'LL JUST SET THAT ONE ASIDE. I'M SURE YOU'LL LET US KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. UM, SAME THING WITH LORI SCHNEIDER. I GUESS I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL, YOU'LL WANT TO SPEAK. OKAY, WE'LL JUST SAVE THAT. UH, R. DYLAN SWACKER, APOLOGIES, 605 STONEBURY DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. UH, REBECCA TATE WILLIAMS, 1902 HAY MEADOW COURT, UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. UM, AND I ACTUALLY, I GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON, HOPEFULLY. UM, THAT'S THE WAY I'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD. UM, KAREN ZALS, 1203 ASHMORE COURT, UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. UM, CHRISTOPH- CHRISTOPHER STEWART AT 1210 ASHMORE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. UH, HEATHER, OH GOSH, UH, HEATHER, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT READ THE LAST NAME. IT'S 1212 ST. EMILIAN COURT. [01:50:03] UM, CURTIS, I THINK, HEATHER CURTIS, I'M GONNA GO WITH THAT. UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, UM, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. JULIE HYATT, I BELIEVE, 1399 WHITE WING COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. JAMES MERTZ, 12 1402 WHISPERING DELL, UM, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UM, MAKE SURE I'M NOT DOING A DUPLICATE HERE. KAREN MERTZ AT 1402 WHISPERING DELL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UM, CHRISTINE HOLCOMB AT 3450 HILLSIDE DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT. UH, RYAN RIEGER, 1833 RIVIERA LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. UH, EKATERINA MURPHY, UH, 704 WINDING RIDGE TRAIL, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. CINDY GROSSMAN, 217 WESTWOOD DRIVE, UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. DEE BARTON, 1328 REGENCY COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. SUSAN JERST, I BELIEVE, UH, 1360 SUNSHINE LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UH, SURI CHARLES, UH, 2021 LAKE VISTA COURT, I BELIEVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UH, SAM CHARLES AT 2021 LAKE VISTA COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UH, JACQUELINE GUTHRIE, UH, AT 1833 RIVIERA LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. BRAD DURST AT 1360 SUNSHINE, UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. UH, RACHEL SIEGEL, UH, SIEGEL, SIEGAL, SIEGEL, SORRY, UH, 903 MEADOW LANE, NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. JULIE WALTERS, 612 PARK PLACE COURT, UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT. AND, UH, RANDY JAMISON, UH, 1649, UH, ROYAL OAKS COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. I'VE GOT SOME MORE HANDED TO ME. UH, THANK YOU. UH, I'VE GOT, UH, BEATRICE CUELLAR, I THINK, UH, 1322 WHITE WING COURT, UH, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UH, ELIZABETH BURR, 3301 GRAY LANE, NOT WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM. 30, UH, KENNETH BURR, 3301 GRAY LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM. AND GARY COHEN, 603, UH, RUSTIC RIDGE COURT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS IN SUPPORT. UM, SO NOW I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL FOLKS THAT FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD AND SAID THEY WISH TO SPEAK EITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. UH, I WILL START, UM, AND THE WAY I'LL DO THIS, I'LL CALL UP A NAME, AND THEN I'LL TRY TO CALL UP ANOTHER NAME, UM, BEHIND IT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CUT, YOU CAN GET YOUR THOUGHTS READY, UH, KIND OF AHEAD OF TIME. UM, FIRST ONE, UH, LORI SNYDER, UH, WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM, SO IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE, WE'LL GET THE CLOCK GOING. UM, AND THEN AFTER HER, WE'LL CALL UP ROXANNE TAYLOR, SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET, GET READY TO, AFTER HER, YOU CAN KIND OF GET GO. SO NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE'LL GET THE PUBLIC HEARING GOING. SO THANK YOU. LORI, SORRY, LORI SCHNEIDER, 1418 MONARCH WAY. UM, THIS PROPERTY OR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ADJACENT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, I CARE ABOUT SOUTHLAKE. UM, THIS IS TOO DENSE, UM, HUNDREDS OF UNITS ON ONLY 18 ACRES. THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH SOUTHLAKE'S PLAN, VISION, UM, FOR DENSITY. FOR 23 YEARS, I HAVE BEEN TO PLANNING AND ZONING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON ALL SORTS OF DEVELOPMENTS, STARTED WITH FRACKING WAY BACK WHEN, AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN OUR TOWN BE OKAY WITH SUCH DENSITY. IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S, THIS IS HAPPENING, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I KNOW THERE'S PROFITS, I KNOW THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RADICAL CHANGE ON PUTTING THIS MUCH DENSITY [01:55:02] INTO OUR TOWN. UM, PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. I, I THINK THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT PLANS LIKE THIS. I THINK Y'ALL CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER, AND I THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. UH, NOW WE'LL HAVE, UH, ROXANNE TAYLOR, AND THEN AFTER HER WE'LL CALL UP, UH, JOLYNN BATANSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROXANNE TAYLOR. I LIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS FOR GOING ON 30 YEARS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK BOTH AS A BUSINESS PERSON AND AN OWNER OF ENGLE & VOLKERS, AND WAS HIRED BY THE CARROLL SCHOOL DISTRICT IN OUR COMMERCIAL DEPARTMENT TO MARKET THE PROPERTY ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PUT IT OUT FOR BIDS. I WAS QUITE EXCITED ABOUT TOUCH MART BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT LEAVES QUITE A BIT OF, UH, TAX DOLLARS TO THE CITY TO HELP RUN THE CITY BECAUSE NONE OF THE RESIDENTS WILL BE GETTING A DEDUCTION ON PROPERTY TAXES. UM, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY, VERY GOOD FIT FOR THE LAND, AND WITH CONSIDERATION FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SCHOOL THERE, THAT IT DOESN'T PRODUCE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE FOR GOING ON 30 YEARS, AND THE FACT THAT A LOT OF US ARE APPROACHING, I WILL BE 80 YEARS OLD NEXT YEAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I'LL BE ABLE TO LIVE IN MY OWN HOME, BUT I'M THE REASON WHY, ONCE MY CHILDREN LEFT HOME, THAT I HAVEN'T WANTED TO LEAVE SOUTHLAKE. AND THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES FOR US TO MOVE TO IF WE STILL WANT A SOUTHLAKE MAILING ADDRESS AND WE ENJOY LIVING IN SOUTHLAKE. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS, WATERMERE OR HARBOR CHASE, THAT THERE'S LONG WAITING LISTS. SO WHERE DO US CITIZENS WHO HAVE PAID TAXES AND HELPED OUR CITY GROW AND HAVE CARED ABOUT MOVE TO IF WE DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN A HOME ANYMORE? BUT WE WANT A NICE ENVIRONMENT, AND I THINK WE DESERVE IT, AND I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE ALL OF OUR WISHES INTO CONSIDERATION. I KNOW YOU THINK THIS IS HIGH DENSITY, BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET OVER 80, WE DON'T MOVE AROUND THAT MUCH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING IN AND OFF OF THE PROPERTY, AND I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT FIT, AND FROM THE SLIDES YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE DEVELOPING A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL RESIDENCE FOR ALL OF US TO LIVE IN, AND YOU TOO MAY APPROACH ACE SOMEDAY. THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. NOW WE'LL CALL JOLENE POTENZA, AND AFTER THAT WILL BE TOM MURPHY. I HOPE I LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN I'M 80. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN KUBIAK AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOLYNN POTENZA. I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTHLAKE. I'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS. I'M HERE TO, I'M SORRY, I LIVE ON 1000 INDEPENDENCE COURT. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR AGENDA ITEMS 7 AND 8, THE PROPOSED TOUCH MART DEVELOPMENT AND ITS ASSOCIATED LAND USE AND ZONING REQUESTS. I SUPPORT IT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT INCLUDE IT PROVIDES DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SENIOR CARE IN THE SAME COMMUNITY, SO AS RESIDENTS GET OLDER, THEY CAN STAY THERE. IF THERE'S A HEALTH CRISIS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH HOW DO I MOVE CLOSER TO MY FAMILY SO THEY CAN HELP TAKE CARE OF ME. THEY STAY IN THE SAME FACILITIES, LONG-TERM CARE. UM, I LIKE THAT IT, UH, TOUCHMARK HAS A 45-YEAR HISTORY OF BUILDING THESE COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE INVESTING IN LONG-TERM, AS THEY MENTIONED, RATHER THAN BUYING AND SELLING AND FLIPPING IT. UM, I LIKE THAT IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, AND IT'LL GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. AND I DON'T, UM, THIS OFFER IS SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE APPRAISED VALUE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHO IS IN KIND OF A FINANCIAL CRISIS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE MANAGING THE BUDGET VERY WELL. JUST GOT TO GIVE THAT PLUG. AND HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. ON OCTOBER 5TH, OUR AT THE SCHOOL BOARD WORKSHOP, THE SCHOOL BRE- UH, SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT STATED THAT THE DISTRICT CONDUCTED A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, REVIEWED PROPOSALS, AND SELECTED TOUCHMARK'S PROPOSAL AS THE BEST FIT FOR SOUTHLAKE. I KNOW OUR SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEES, AND I, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE OUR BEST IN SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART, AND I DO TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. PLEASE VOTE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM TO COUNCIL. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD. NOW WE'LL HAVE TOM MURPHY, UH, WHO I BELIEVE WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. UH, WE HAVE TOM, MAYBE. TOM LEFT. OKAY, WELL, HE COMES BACK, HE CAN ALWAYS SPEAK. UM, SHERLON, SHERONG, SHIVRONG, I'M SORRY, CHEN, 1201 ST. EMILIAN [02:00:01] COURT. UH, APOLOGIES FOR THE... I'M, MY UH, MY EYES AREN'T AS GOOD AS THEY USED TO BE. I GUESS I DON'T SEE HER, SO I'LL SET THAT ONE ASIDE. UM, I HAVE A ZACH MOWRY. I'M SORRY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, GO AHEAD, COME ON UP, ARE YOU, GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, MY NAME IS SHARON. OH, PERFECT. SORRY, SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE. OKAY, GO AHEAD, YEAH. UH, I RESIDE IN UH, 1201 SAINT AMELIA COURT. UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS. UH, WHEN THIS GENTLEMAN A WHILE AGO SAID THAT THE, THE OFFICE DENSITY, I MEAN, AS FAR AS CARS CONCERNED, IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THE PROPOSED PLAN. HOWEVER, I THINK I'M IN SUPPORT OF MIXED USE FOR LAND USE SO THAT WE CAN USE A LIGHTER DENSITY RATHER THAN COMPARED TO THE HIGHER PARKING SPACES. YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 400 PARKING SPACES. I DON'T THINK THE COMPANY DESIGNED A 400 PARKING SPACE TO SAY, OKAY, WE ONLY HAVE GONNA BE 100 OF THEM BECAUSE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IS NOT GONNA DRIVE. SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. ALSO, IF YOU RECALL IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE SCHOOLS THAT BASICALLY DURING THE, UM, PARENTS, UH, LEAVING THE KIDS AND AND AND PICKING UP THE KIDS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC JAM. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE GATEWAY CHURCH HERE AND A COUPLE MORE CHURCHES, AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE ALSO, MIND YOU, UH, REALLY INCREASING IN THEIR MEMBERSHIP, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ALL THE EXPANSIONS THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN THEIR, UH, WITHIN THEIR LOCATION, SO THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING MORE, UH, SATURDAY, MAYBE SUNDAY, UH, ACTIVITIES, AND NOW YOU HAVE OVER 400 SPACES IN THIS AREA, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HUGE CONGESTIONS. AND ON TOP OF, I WANT TO RE- REMIND ALL THE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS SENIOR LIVING HERE, YOU'RE GONNA LOOKING AT VERY, VERY HIGH DEMAND FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. YOU ARE GONNA LOOKING AT OVERLOADING, AND AND I I CAN ALMOST THINKING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FIRE, UH, STATION RIGHT AT THE, UM, UH, KIMBALL AND THE 114, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY BUSY PLACE FOR THEM TO COMING OUT, UH, ON THE CALLS. SO I, I REALLY THINK BEFORE YOU GUYS MAKING THE DECISION TO ENTERTAIN A SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, Y'ALL REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE SERVICE, THE, THE SUPPLY THAT WE HAVE IN, IN THE RESOURCES, THE CITY WE HAVE, AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH, UH, THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND AGAIN, I ECHO SOME OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS PEOPLE THAT TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THE SOUTHLAKE A TRADITION. WE DON'T REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE LIVING OVER HERE, MOVING OVER HERE. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR HUGE HIGH INTENSITY LIVING HERE. AND SO REALLY, I I I WANTED TO IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSAL CAREFULLY AND MAKING SURE THE CITY ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATELY SERVE ALL THE CITIZENS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. AND IS ZACH MOWRY HERE? DID I GET THAT NAME? OKAY, THIS WOULD BE ZACH, AND AFTER THAT, AN EMILY MILLER, IF WE HAVE HER STILL. SO, THANK YOU. I'M ZACH MOWRY, 1217 WHISPERING LANE. I'M A LICENSED ARCHITECT, AND I WORK IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, AND SO I LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL TWO WAYS: AS A NEIGHBOR WHO DRIVES BY CARROLL EVERY DAY, AND AS SOMEONE WHO EVALUATES SITES AND ZONING FOR A LIVING. I HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT IN OR FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT, BUT I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF TOUCHMARK. THE CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC, AND DENSITY ARE FAIR AND VALID, BUT THE RIGHT COMPARISON ISN'T THIS PROJECT VERSUS AN EMPTY LOT, IT'S THIS PROJECT VERSUS WHAT ELSE COULD REALISTICALLY GO THERE. FOR THE MOST PART, RETAILERS AND RESTAURANTS HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO BET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 114. THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND OVER THERE, AND IT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED. THIS SITE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE 114 FRONTAGE, WHICH MAKES RETAIL EVEN LESS LIKELY. THE MOST LIKELY BUY RIGHT ALTERNATIVE IS A RELIGIOUS OR INSTITUTIONAL USE THAT BRINGS HEAVIER PEAK TRAFFIC AND PAYS NO PROPERTY TAX. TOUCHMARK WOULD PAY PROPERTY TAX ON A SIGNIFICANT VALUATION. ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROVIDES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIQUIDATE AN UNDERUTILIZED ASSET. TO ME, THIS REPRESENTS A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT. ON TRAFFIC, SENIOR LIVING IS ONE OF THE LOWEST TRIP-GENERATING USES YOU CAN PUT ON A SITE LIKE THIS. RESIDENTS DRIVE LITTLE, STAFF SHIFTS ARE STAGGERED, AND THE PEAKS DON'T LINE UP WITH SCHOOL TRAFFIC. THAT SAID, I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN, AND THAT'S THE ENTRANCE ON CARROLL. CARROLL'S ONE LANE EACH WAY, AND THE ENTRANCE SITS BETWEEN 114 AND HIGHLAND. WE ALL KNOW [02:05:02] NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC ALREADY BACKS UP AT HIGHLAND ON WEEKDAY AND WEEKEND MORNINGS, AND A NEW CURB CUT THERE WILL POTENTIALLY MAKE THAT WORSE. SO I'D ASK 2 QUESTIONS. FIRST, HAS A DEDICATED TURN LANE AT THE PROPERTY BEEN CONSIDERED? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE ROOM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS. AND SECOND, IS THERE A POTENTIAL TO ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE FROM CARROLL ONTO HIGHLAND FOR TRAFFIC HEADED TO CARROLL MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE CHURCHES? REGARDING THE NEED, ABOUT 1600 SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS ARE OVER 75 TODAY, AND THAT NUMBER IS PROJECTED TO DOUBLE IN 10 YEARS. WATERMERE AND HARBOR CHASE ARE BOTH WAITLISTED, AND FAMILIES SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE THEIR PARENTS OUT OF TOWN TO KEEP THEM CLOSE. FINALLY, THIS PLAN KEEPS ABOUT 45% OF THE SITE AS GREEN SPACE, AND TOUCHMARK, AS THE DEVELOPER, OWNER, AND OPERATOR, HAS PUT TOGETHER A CLASS A DESIGN TEAM WITH KIMLEY-HORN, HKS, TALLY, AND SAGE. I BELIEVE WITH THE ACCESS POINT ADDRESS, TOUCHMARK IS THE RIGHT USE FOR THE SITE. I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, DO WE HAVE AN EMILY MILLER? OKAY, GREAT. AND AFTER EMILY, WE'LL CALL, UM, AL ZITO. HELLO. IT'S HALFTIME FOR THE COWBOYS. DO YOU MIND PULLING THE MICROPHONE DOWN JUST LIKE THAT? THERE WE GO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'M EMILY MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 1004 QUAIL RUN ROAD IN SOUTHLAKE. UM, MY FAMILY HAS PROUDLY CALLED SOUTHLAKE HOME FOR OVER 11 YEARS. MY HUSBAND CODY AND I ARE RAISING OUR 2 DAUGHTERS HERE, AND WE HAVE OWNED 2 HOMES OFF OF CARROLL AVENUE OVER THOSE YEARS, AND WE'RE DEEPLY INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING WHAT MAKES SOUTHLAKE SO SPECIAL. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED TOUCHMARK SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY OFF OF CARROLL ROAD. LIKE MANY OF YOU, I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT PROTECTING SOUTHLAKE'S CHARACTER, MAINTAINING OUR GR- GREEN SPACES, AND MAKING THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT PROTECTING SOUTHLAKE MEANS TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HELPED MAKE THIS COMMUNITY WHAT IT IS TODAY. OUR COMMUNITY IS AGING, AND MANY LONGTIME RESIDENTS ARE FACING A DIFFICULT REALITY. THEY LOVE SOUTHLAKE, BUT MAINTAINING LARGE HOMES AND PROPERTIES IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING, AND RIGHT NOW THEIR OPTIONS ARE FOR REMAINING HERE ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED. BOTH WATERMERE AND HARPER CHASE REPORTEDLY HAVE WAITING, WAITING LISTS. THEY DEMAND, UH, THE DEMAND FOR QUALITY SENIOR LIVING, UM, ALREADY EXISTS. IN MY NEIGHBOR- MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, MANY RESIDENTS WERE ARE ORIGINAL OWNERS OR SECOND HOMEOWNERS AND WOULD LOVE TO DOWNSIZE WITHOUT LEAVING THEIR FRIENDS, FAMILIES, CHURCHES, AND FAMILIAR SURROUNDINGS. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE ALSO APPROACHING THE STAGE OF LIFE WHERE WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOUSING OPTIONS FOR OUR OWN AGING PARENTS. SHOULDN'T THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HELPED BUILD THIS COMMUNITY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW OLDER IN IT? I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSED LOCATION. OUR FAMILY TRAVELS CARROLL AVENUE MULTIPLE TIMES EVERY DAY. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY WITH CHILDREN AND BIKING TO JOHNSON ELEMENTARY AND CARROLL MIDDLE SCHOOL. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER ACCESS FROM GRACE LANE WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. I ALSO APPRECIATE SOUTHLAKE'S COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING GREEN SPACE, INCLUDING THE CITY'S RECENT PURCHASE OF OLD DRAGON STADIUM NEAR MY NEIGHBORHOOD. TOUCHMARK'S PROPOSAL INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 45% GREEN SPACE AND OFFERS AN ATTRACTIVE, THOROUGHLY PLANNED USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO AN IMPORTANT FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION. UNLIKE S- UNLIKE, EXCUSE ME, UNLIKE CERTAIN TAX EXEMPT USES, A PRIVATELY OWNED SENIOR LIVING DEVELOPMENT COULD GENERATE MEANINGFUL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME. AND IMPORTANTLY, TOUCHMARK WOULD SERVE AS A DEVELOPER, OWNER, AND OPERATOR, GIVING THEM A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN S- SUCCESS OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT PRESERVING SOUTHLAKE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, BUT WE CANNOT FORGET THE GENERATIONS WHO CAME BEFORE THEM. THIS COMMUNITY HAS GIVEN OUR FAMILY SO MUCH. TOUCHMARK OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE HELPED MAKE SOUTHLAKE SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO SUPPORT, SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NOW WE'LL CALL UP AL ZITO, UH, AND CHRISTY LAY WILL BE ON DECK. AND UH, JUST REMEMBER, IT'S 3 MINUTES EVEN FOR FORMER SEPARATE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO. THANK YOU, SIR. TREAT EVERYBODY EQUALLY. DO MY B- DO MY BEST. UH, AL ZITO, 501 POTOMAC, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE, BUT AGAINST THE UH ZONING. I THOUGHT I SAW THAT, BUT I WANT TO LET YOU CLEAR. OKAY, AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME OTHERS THERE, JUST FOR HOUSEKEEPING. UM, DENSITY, DENSITY, DENSITY. THAT'S THE ISSUE THE WAY I SEE IT. THIS IS, WAS 330, NOW 357, 20 PLUS UNITS PER ACRE. THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER FACILITY HERE IN TEXAS THAT'S GROUND UP, AND THAT'S THE ONE IN MCKINNEY. 80 ACRES, I THINK IT'S GOT AN 11 ACRE LAKE, 400 UNITS. 400 UNITS, WITH 5 PER ACRE. MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY HIGH ZONING, UH, UH, AMOUNT. SO THE BIG THING HERE IS THE, UH, IS THE DENSITY. ALSO, UH, AT [02:10:02] SPIN, WE DISCUSSED ABOUT, UH, UH, KIRKWOOD AND HIGHLAND BEING EX- EXPANDED, WHICH I DON'T SEE HERE. THAT'S A NO, THAT'S A NO, NO START RIGHT THERE, THAT THE STREET HAS TO BE, UH, IMPROVED TO, UH, LONG-TERM CITY STANDARDS. UH, THE OTHER THING IS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE DRAINAGE. I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, OVER, OVERDOING, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL THING. UM, BUT, UH, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO, UH, HANDLE AND, AND MANAGE THAT IS GOING TO BE BETTER OFF FOR OUR SITUATION, UH, IN TOWN. UM, THE 62 PLUS, THAT CAN BE CHANGED. IT'S BAKED INTO THE ZONING, IT COULD BE BAKED INTO THE COVENANTS, BUT IT COULD ALL BE CHANGED THROUGH LEGISLATIVE OR POTENTIAL, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS IN AUSTIN OR FEDERALLY IN THE FUTURE WITH FAIR HOUSING LAWS, ETCETERA. BUT AS FAR AS THE SOUTHLAKE IS CONCERNED, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE A COVENANT OR A DEED RESTRICTION IN AN HOA OR, OR A UH, UH, CONDO ASSOCIATION. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT'S A 67% AGREEMENT FROM THE OWNERS THAT ARE IN THAT, UH, UNIT OR THAT, THAT, THAT PROJECT, WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OWNER, UH, THAT ONLY HAS TO COME TO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR THAT RESTRICTION TO BE REMOVED, AND THEY WILL BE AS BUILT FULL APARTMENTS. UH, SO, UH, I'M NOT AGAINST SENIOR, UH, OPTIONS. I THINK THAT SENIOR OPTIONS ARE WONDERFUL. I THINK THAT WATERMERE IS A FANTASTIC PROJECT. A MINIATURE WATERMERE, AS I SUGGESTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UH, ON THIS SITE AT A MUCH LOWER DENSITY THAT IS OWNED, WOULD BE FANTASTIC. WATERMERE, BY THE WAY, IS 100% OWNED EXCEPT FOR THE ISLES OF WATERMERE, WHICH IS A CORPORATE-OWNED FACILITY, WHICH IS THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE. BUT ALL OF THE CONDOS, VILLAS, AND INDIVIDUAL HOMES ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, UH, OWNED, WHICH THERE HAPPENS TO BE, UH, 7 THAT ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW TODAY FOR PURCHASE. MAYBE SOME OF THEY'RE UNDER CONTRACT, BUT THERE'S 7 THAT SHOW ON THE MARKET. SO THERE'S OPTIONS. THERE'S OPTIONS FOR OUR SENIORS, WHETHER IT'S TOWN SQUARE OPTIONS, WHETHER IT'S OTHER OPTIONS IN TOWN. UH, ALSO TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, COMPARE OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WITH ANY OTHER PORTION IN TOWN AS FAR AS DENSITY, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WAS, WAS, UH, UH, DONE FOR COMPARABLY TO OTHER PARTS IN TOWN. IF YOU DON'T MIND WRAPPING UP, SORRY. I DON'T MIND. I- I THINK, I THINK I PRETTY WELL GOT IT ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY ON THIS. THANK YOU. ALWAYS. UM, CHRISTY LAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP, AND THEN IN THE BULLPEN WE'LL HAVE CANDACE MANLEY. GOOD EVENING, AND UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS CHRISTY LAY. I LIVE AT 1190 EAST DOVE ROAD IN SOUTH. WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 10 YEARS, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE KIDS THAT ATTEND JOHNSON ELEMENTARY AND CARROLL MIDDLE SCHOOL, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. I'M HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF TOUCHMARK'S PROPOSED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT, TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, DENSITY, AND WHAT THE FUTURE COULD LOOK LIKE. THOSE ARE ALL REASONABLE THINGS TO CON- FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL IN COMPARISON TO THE REALISTIC ALTERNATIVES, ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS PROPERTY. FIRST, THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THIS IS A CONTAINED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR RESIDENTS 62 YEARS AND OLDER. THERE WILL BE NOT, THERE WILL BE NO SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN LIVING THERE. THERE WILL BE NO TRA- TROPHY SPOUSES LIVING THERE. THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AND DAILY ACTIVITIES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM A SCHOOL OR RELIGIOUS BUILDING, WHICH IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR. WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS LOCATION AND THE CURRENT TRAFFIC RESTRAINTS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. IF YOU DECIDED TO PUT A SCHOOL THERE, THAT LOCATION WOULD NOT ONLY ADD TRAFFIC TO THE SAME, AT THE SAME TIME AS THE ALREADY HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES, BUT IT WILL ALSO NOT ADD ANY TAX ADVANTAGES TO THE CITY AND COULD POTENTIALLY STEAL MONEY AWAY FROM CISD BY COMPETING FOR STUDENTS. SO THEN I HAVE TO ASK, WHAT IF THIS PROPERTY WERE CHANGED TO MULTI-USE? OFFICES, RESTAURANTS, RETAILS, OR OTHER MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS COULD BRING A CONSTANT FLOW OF RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS, DELIVERIES, AND VISITORS. ADDITIONALLY, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU ADD, CONSIDER ADDING RETAIL SPACE LESS THAN A HALF A MILE FROM TOWN SQUARE, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE TROUBLE KEEPING STORES IN BUSINESS? A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY HAS ACTIVITY, OF COURSE, BUT IS A MUCH MORE CONTAINED USE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, I DON'T THINK THE COMPARISON SHOULD BE MADE BETWEEN TOUCHMARK AND AN EMPTY PIECE OF LAND. THE COMPARISON SHOULD BE BETWEEN TOUCHMARK AND THE OTHER USES THAT COULD REALISTICALLY OCCUPY THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION. THIS PROPERTY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE MEANINGFUL TAX REVENUE TO OUR CITY. A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY IS A USE THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S TAX BASE WHILE SERVING A POPULATION THAT IS ALREADY PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT POPULATION. PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR DECADES SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMAIN IN SOUTHLAKE AS THEY GET OLDER. [02:15:01] THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO NECESSARILY LEAVE THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY NEED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING OR CARE. TO ME, THIS PROPOSAL REPRESENTS A WAY TO USE THE PROPERTY WHILE PROVIDING A NEEDED SERVICE, CONTRIBUTING TO OUR TAX BASE, AND POTENTIALLY CREATING LESS DAILY TRAFFIC THAN MANY OTHER USES THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED. I AM NOT ASKING THIS C- COMMITTEE TO OVERLOOK LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. I AM ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AND COMPARE THE ACTUAL TOUCHMARK PRO- PROPOSAL WITH THEIR REALISTIC OPPORTUNITY, OR RE- REALISTIC ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING. UH, WE'VE GOT CANDACE MANLEY HERE, HOPEFULLY STILL, MAYBE, MAYBE, HOPEFULLY. OKAY, CANDACE, THAT'S YOU. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, DARIUS, UH, MAGI, MAGI, 1201 WHISPERING LANE. SO JUST GO AHEAD, SORRY, NAME AND ADDRESS. GO AHEAD, FIRE AWAY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CANDACE CAPERTON MANLEY, AND I'VE BEEN A SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT FOR 21 YEARS, AND WE LIVE, UM, ON WHISPERING LANE, SO JUST NORTH OF JOHNSON ELEMENTARY, SO WE'RE IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS PROJECT. SOUTHLAKE DEFINITELY HAS A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, AND TOUCHMARK APPEARS TO BE A GOOD COMPANY WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE SENIOR RESIDENTIAL NICHE. A PROJECT OF THIS QUALITY MAY ALSO BE A FUTURE OPTION FOR MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, I'M ALSO HOPEFUL THAT PERHAPS THERE CAN BE SOME SCALING BACK IN THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, BUT DESPITE THAT CAVEAT, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF Y'ALL MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL AND DEFINITELY ENDORSE IT. UM, ONE OTHER THING, THOUGH, THERE WAS SOME TALK EARLIER ABOUT THE HISTORIC SCHOOL ON THIS SITE, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN SAID THAT IT'S NOT SAFE, BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE THE CITY CAN CONSIDER PERHAPS, UM, MOVING THE CHURCH, CHURCH, THE SCHOOL TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED. THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE I LOVE DRIVING BY THERE AND SEE THAT OLD SCHOOL. IT JUST TOUCHES MY HEART. SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. UH, NOW WE'LL HAVE DARIUS. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, AFTER THAT, UH, JOSH SHOTLEY. YES, I'M DARIUS MAGGI, M-A-G-G-I. UM, I HOPE MY, THIS IS NOT GOING TO MY WIFE. SHE WAS, HAD ME UP HERE AT 5:45, SO I'D GET HERE AND TELL YOU WHY I WANT THIS ENTITY. UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN HER, AND SHE THINKS SHE'S GONNA PUT ME IN ONE OF THOSE. AND SO, ANYHOW, UH, SHE HAS ANOTHER THING COMING. UM, ONE THING W- WE HAVE, I LIVE AT 1201 WHISPERING LANE, WHICH IS THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO, TO UH, JOHNSON. I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN, I HAVE GREAT GRANDCHILDREN, EVEN HAVE GREAT GRAND GRANDCHILDREN, AND HE LIKES THE UH, MONSTER TRUCKS. I, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING TO NAME A CAROL SPEEDWAY. YOU, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE 04, 4 LANES BECAUSE THEY GO, AND I YELL AT THESE GUYS, THEY'RE GOING 60, 65 MILES AN HOUR. I LOVE KIDS. IN OUR, IN OUR LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE'S PROBABLY 25 KIDS IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC, AND THEY'RE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET KILLED. IF IT DOES NO MORE THAN DECREASE THE VOLUME AND THE SPEED OF THOSE CARS AND A KID GETTING, GETTING KILLED, IT'S WORTH EVERY CENT TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, 70 SI- 70% OF MY FAMILY LIVE IN THIS AREA, AND I WOULD LOVE TO DIE AND BE IN ONE OF THOSE WHEN I DIE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. UM, NOW WE HAVE JOSH SHOTLEY, I BELIEVE, THEN, UH, ACTUALLY WE ARE CALLED THIS NAME, UH, THAT MAY BE BO HEE, I THINK. DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE JOSH SHOTLEY HERE? UH, GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT ALONG. UH, BO [02:20:15] HEE? UH, THAT'S AT, I THINK, 1204 ST. AMELIA. PERFECT. AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE BOB TAY. HELLO, UM, MY NAME IS BO. UM, I LIVE IN SANTA MILLAN, NOT FAR AWAY FROM HERE, AND I LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE FOR A WHILE AND KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL. AND I OPPOSITE THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. THE REASON IS IT'S A NOVEL CONCEPT, BUT IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE GEOLOGICALLY WITH THE LOCATION. WE HAVE A HEAVY, HEAVY TRAFFIC ON 1 1 14 FROM 2 30 TO ALMOST 6 O'CLOCK. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CRAWLING. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE DON'T NEED. AND ALSO, EVEN THOUGH THIS FACILITY SAYS, WELL, WE OFFER MED- UH, MEMORY CARE. WELL, SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THERE IS NO MEDICAL STAFF. THEY SAID, WELL, WE FOR THE SENIORS, WE ALL FOR THE SENIORS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO THAT DIRECTION. BUT THIS IS NOT EXACTLY HOW THE SENIOR LIVING IN THE HIGH-RISE PARK AND ALSO 87, 83, IF YOU THINK BY THAT AGE, PEOPLE NEED ASSISTANCE PROBABLY, BUT THIS IS INDEPENDENT LIVING. WE HAVE A SYSTEM LIVING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. WE ALSO HAVE AMPLE APARTMENT. IT'S EMPTY WITH 20% LEASING RATE AND THE TOWN SQUARES, WHICH IS GREAT, HAVE GREAT AMENITIES. SO THIS WILL ADD ALSO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY SERVICE, THIS WILL ADD TREMENDOUS BURDEN TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. WE HAD A STUDY FOR THAT. SO MINIMUM WE'RE GOING FOR THE FIRST PHASE, IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE EACH DAY, MINIMUM. IF THE SECOND PHASE IS SUCCESSFUL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 2 TO 3 BECAUSE THE AGE-RELATED INCIDENTS IS, IS CANNOT BE AVOIDABLE AND ALWAYS FATAL. AND ALSO, AND TOUCHMARK DO HAVE A FACILITY IN MCKINNEY. TILL TODAY, THEY ARE ONLY STAY IN THE FIRST PHASE. THAT MEANS THE OCCUPANCY IS NOT GUARANTEED, AND THE SECOND PHASE IS NOT GUARANTEED. SO WE DEAL A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, AND I WOULD THINK WE SAY SOUTHLAKE NEED MORE NEW BLOOD. YES, WE DO, BUT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WITH A HIGH COSTING FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS HAS PROVIDED. BUT THE PATCH, UH, PATCH MARKETS, THE RENT ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE BY INDEED THAT TIME WILL ACTUALLY PAY FOR IT. SPACE IS SMALL. AND EXPENSIVE, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THIS CONCEPT WILL BE REALIZED IN THE REALITY. BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, FINE, BUT DOES SOUTHLAKE NEEDED HERE IN THIS LOCATION? PROBABLY NOT, BECAUSE IF WE THINK WE HAVE 2 SCHOOLS. IF YOU DON'T MIND WRAPPING UP, MA'AM, SORRY. OKAY, WE HAVE 2 SCHOOLS, 3 CHURCHES CONCENTRATED ON EAST HIGHLAND. WE ALREADY HAVE BOTTLENECK TRAFFIC. NEXT YEAR, ANOTHER 300 KIDS GONNA LOCATE AT THE NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL. THAT STREET IS NOT ACCESSIBLE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL TAKE BOB K., PLEASE, AND THEN, UH, Z WILCOX. YEAH, I'M BOB K. FROM 1450 SUNSHINE LANE, AND I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT. I THINK TOUCHMARK IS A GREAT COMPANY TO BE DOING THIS. UM, I'M ALSO ONE OF THOSE OVER 75 RESIDENTS OF SOUTHLAKE. I'VE BEEN HERE OVER 30 YEARS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO STAY HERE. I THINK SOUTHLAKE IS A GREAT TOWN. UM, THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WOULD LIKE TOUCHMARK TO CONSIDER. IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER MAYBE LIMITING TO, UM, 5 STORIES, WHICH WOULD LOWER THE HEIGHT, UH, MAYBE MORE THAN A SERVICE ACCESS ON GRACE LANE, UM, AND A LITTLE MORE OPEN SPACE. I KNOW 70% IS KIND OF A HARD TARGET TO HIT, BUT IF THEY COULD GIVE US A LITTLE MORE, MAYBE BACK OFF ON THE, UH, SECOND PHASE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT AGAIN, I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE THIS THROUGH. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, DO WE HAVE Z WILCOX HERE? UM, UH, PAUL SEGAL. DO WE HAVE PAUL SEGAL HERE? UH, NOPE, LET'S SEE. PAUL. OH, PERFECT. GREAT. AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, KIM JAMISON, SHE'S HERE. SO NOT HERE. OKAY, WE'LL FIND ANOTHER ONE. HEATHER CURTIS, IF SHE'S [02:25:02] HERE. GO AHEAD, SIR. I'M PAUL SEGAL OF 903 MEADOW LANE, SOUTHLAKE. UH, FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THIS. IT TAKES A LOT OF, LOT OF TIME AND PATIENCE, AND WE ALL APPRECIATE IT. UM, AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION GOES OF TOUCHMARK, I THINK THE PLACE IS PHENOMENAL. MY DAUGHTER'S PROBABLY WATCHING THIS RIGHT NOW THINKING, I KNOW WE CAN PUT DAD SOON, SO I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. UM, I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. UM, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT WILL GO THERE INSTEAD OF, SAY, ANOTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, WHICH WE REALLY DON'T NEED FOR A TOWN THIS SIZE, THAT ALSO DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE CONTINUALLY GROWING OVER THE YEARS. UM, I DO BELIEVE IN DEED RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS 62 AND OVER, AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THIS FROM EVER BECOMING A MARKET RATE OR SUBSIDIZED APARTMENT BUILDING. UM, COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED, UM, BECAUSE THIS TOWN WAS FOUNDED ON A PLATFORM OF LOW DENSITY. I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS CARRIED FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAD THAT ISSUE WITH THAT GEORGIA DEVELOPER THAT WANTED TO COME IN AND INUNDATE US WITH, WITH APARTMENTS AND HIGH DENSITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE OVERWHELMINGLY DIDN'T WANT. UM, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THE 86 FOOT HEIGHT REDUCED. I THINK THAT IS WAY TOO HIGH FOR THIS SITE. AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECT SCALED DOWN TO SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED LOWER DENSITY, BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT A LOWER DENSITY PROJECT FOR SENIORS WOULD ALSO EQUATE TO A HIGHER QUALITY AS WELL. LESS PEOPLE, MORE MORE HIGH QUALITY. AND OTHERWISE, THAT'S IT. I AM FOR THIS PROJECT OTHERWISE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. IS HEATHER CURTIS HERE? COME ON UP. OH, I'M SORRY, KIM JAMISON. YES, SORRY, SORRY. AND THEN HEATHER CURTIS. NO, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. HI, KIM. HI, KIM JAMISON, 1649 ROYAL OAKS COURT. IS THIS OKAY VOLUME-WISE? OKAY. UM, I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE I AM NORMALLY ALL OVER LOW DENSITY AND NOT GETTING INTO THE HIGH DENSITY THINGS. UM, THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION, THOUGH. THIS IS, AS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, A SENIOR LIVING ESTABLISHMENT, AND I CAN SPEAK FROM, UNFORTUNATELY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, HAVING SPENT THE LAST 3 YEARS INTIMATELY ACQUAINTED WITH WATERMERE AS MY MOM WAS AT THE S- ON THE SKILLED NURSING FLOOR OF, UM, DISCOVERY VILLAGE, AND NOW, SINCE SHE'S BEEN CALLED HOME TO JESUS, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP MY FATHER FIND A PLACE TO LIVE, TO DOWNSIZE FOR JUST HIM. AND WATERMERE IS A LOGICAL CHOICE, UM, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S 02,000 SQUARE FOOT, AND IT'S ONE GUY, AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO OWN THE PROPERTY. HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FROM AN INDEPENDENT LIVING VILLA TO AN INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENT TO AN ASSISTED LIVING SPACE TO A SKILLED NURSING SPACE. THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT WHEN YOU BUY A PLACE. IT'S TOUGH. SO, IN MY EXPERIENCE OF SPENDING AS MUCH TIME AS I HAVE IN THE LAST 3 YEARS IN THE WATERMERE AND DISCOVERY VILLAGE COMMUNITY, AND HELPING HIM LOOK AT HOUSES. WE'VE TOURED HOUSES, WE'VE TOURED APARTMENTS, WE'VE TOURED THE GROUNDS, WE'VE SEEN WHAT THEIR AMENITIES ARE. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK ARE WORTHWHILE TO NOTE, AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE OPPOSED TO HIGH DENSITY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW. I GET THAT. THERE IS NO TRAFFIC IN WATERMERE, WHICH IS SIZE-WISE, SCOPE-WISE, DWELLING SIZE-WISE, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT TOUCHMARK IS BEING PROPOSING HERE. THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO TRAFFIC. WHAT IS THERE IS VERY SLOW, VERY GENTLE, VERY PEACEFUL. IT'S HERE AND THERE, IT'S BITS AND PIECES. THERE'S NOT A ZILLION EMERGENCY VEHICLES ALL OVER THE PLACE ALL THE TIME. THERE'S JUST NOT. IT'S JUST A QUIET, PEACEFUL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I EXPECT THAT THIS WILL BE IDENTICAL TO THAT. WHOOPS. UM, OKAY, SO A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. UH, AS MENTIONED, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE IS, UH, ANY TYPE OF PROTECTION IN PLACE THAT THIS NEVER GET TURNED INTO SOME OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT TOUCHMARK CHECK THEMSELVES ON PRICING, BECAUSE IT IS EXORBITANT, WHAT I HAVE HEARD. HAVE THEM GO AND FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS TO LIVE AT WATERMERE AND BUY A HOUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 2,000 SQUARE FEET AT 600,000 DOLLARS, PLUS THEIR 2,600 DOLLARS A MONTH. THAT'S ABOUT 6,000 DOLLARS A MONTH. MUCH MORE THAN [02:30:02] THAT IS MUCH. SO, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE IN THEIR ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE FACILITY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE CLEARLY DEFINED AND SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER. I SEE THAT, UM, RAPPING IT UP. TO PROTECT THE ASSISTED LIVING PEOPLE. UM, AND THEN ALSO SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS USING THE PARKING GARAGES BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE UNDERGROUND AND POTENTIALLY AT RISK. SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. APPRECIATE IT. UM, UH, NEXT WE'LL HAVE HEATHER CURTIS. I LIVE AT 1212 ST. EMILIAN COURT, JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS, UM, PROPOSED SITE. UM, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I SUPPORT 7 FOR THE ZONING, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO NUMBER 8. UM. 07, I THINK, IS LAND USE. YES, 7 IS 7 IS LAND USE. YES, LAND USES, YES. 8, YEAH. 08, NO. UM, IT'S IT'S TOO MUCH. SOUTHLAKE IS IS AGAINST HIGH DENSITY, AND THIS IS VERY, VERY HIGH DENSITY. UH, THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT, I THINK, IS TOO MUCH FOR THIS SITE. WE ALREADY HAVE TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE ISSUES OVER THERE. I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IS THERE FOR, UM, A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS OF THIS SCALE. MY OTHER ISSUE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT, THEY CALL IT A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSISTED VERSUS THE MEMORY CARE, IT IT'S ALMOST NON-EXISTENT. I MEAN, THE BULK OF THIS IS INDEPENDENT LIVING. UM, THEY SAY 62, BUT 62 NOW UNTIL WHEN? UM, ONCE YOU HAVE THE BRICK AND MORTAR APARTMENT LIVING, IT CAN IT CAN BE CHANGED THERE. I MEAN, WE CAN TRY TO SAY WE CAN GUARANTEE IT, BUT THERE IS THERE'S ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY NO GUARANTEE. IF STATE LAW CHANGES, IF FEDERAL LAW CHANGES, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A CHOICE, OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE OCCUPANTS AND THEY DON'T WANT, OR THEY SELL IT, THEN THAT OWNER CAN APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASK, ASK FOR A CHANGE. SO, I MEAN, IT'S NICE TO SAY WE'LL GUARANTEE IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S JUST NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. UM, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. UM, OF COURSE, NOT OPPOSED TO CARING FOR OUR SENIORS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE BETTER OPTIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE AND FIND A BETTER OPTION THAT WINDS UP BEING A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN. AND TO ME, IT'S ALSO MORE THAN JUST THIS SITE. IT'S ALSO FOR OTHER FUTURE SITES AND OTHER DEVELOPERS AND SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR HIGH DENSITY, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY'S COMING IN, AND SOUTHLAKE IS NO LONGER THE SOUTHLAKE THAT WE ALL MOVED HERE FOR. SO THAT'S. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. UH, NOW WE'LL CALL KATHY TALLEY UP, AND ALEX ZAHL WILL BE Z-A-L-L, Z-A-A-L WILL BE ON DECK. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATHY TALLEY, AND I LIVE ON RIDGECREST DRIVE IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN KUBIAK, AND YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR YOUR CONTINUED DEDICATED VOLUNTEER SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY OVER SO MANY YEARS. IT'S SO MUCH APPRECIATED. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO BOTH OF THESE ITEMS THIS EVENING. OVER THE LAST, UH, FEW MONTHS, THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE'S BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION AND OPINION OFFERED, MOSTLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. AS I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME HERE IN 3 MINUTES TO COVER ALL OF THOSE ISSUES CONCERNING THESE ITEMS, I'VE ELECTED TO DISCUSS 3 AREAS OF IMPORTANCE. FIRST, THE DENSITY OF THE SITE. THIS IS A HIGH DENSITY SITE, PERIOD. AT BUILD OUT, 357 UNITS. AT ITS LARGEST, IT IS 5 STORIES HIGH, 86 FEET TALL, AND THIS MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT WILL FRONT A SLEEPY 2-LANE ROAD WHOSE BUSIEST TIMES ARE GENERALLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, TWICE PER DAY, RELATIVE TO THE SCHEDULE OF JOHNSON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 21 UNITS PER ACRE, CLOSE TO THE DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTS IN TOWN SQUARE AND MORE DENSE THAN WATERMERE, AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. THE AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ASKED FOR IN ITEM 7 IS ESSENTIALLY AN UPZONING OF A LAND USE CATEGORY, WHICH IS TYPICALLY NOT DONE, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT. THAT'S MY FEELING ON IT. UM, THIS WILL ADD INTENSITY OF USE RATHER THAN LESSEN IT. FOR THIS SITE, THIS LOCATION, ACROSS THE STREET FROM LOW INTENSITY GARDEN OFFICES AND NEXT TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THIS IS THE WRONG OPTION. OTHER OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. SECOND, WHAT COULD THOSE OPTIONS BE? WHAT ABOUT SOME TYPE OF MIXED-USE OR STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL USE, NOT SENIOR FOCUSED AND NOT AS DENSE, THAT COULD PROVIDE NEW RESIDENCES FOR FAMILIES THAT BRING CHILDREN INTO THE DISTRICT AND HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FINANCIALLY, AND NOT JUST AT THE POINT OF THE SALE, BUT GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. IT NEEDS TO BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS SITE, AND 357 UNITS IS SIMPLY NOT THAT. FINALLY, WHY IS THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL BEFORE US TODAY? IN HIS PRESIDENT'S REPORT THIS PAST MONDAY NIGHT, CAM BRYAN STATED, QUOTE, THE DISTRICT DETERMINED [02:35:01] THAT THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY TOUCHMARK FOR A CONTINUUM OF CARE SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY REPRESENTED THE BEST BID AND OVEROP- OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DISTRICT, END QUOTE. QUITE FRANKLY, I WAS SURPRISED THAT OUR CONSERVATIVE SCHOOL BOARD AND PRESIDENT ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS HIGH DENSITY PROPOSAL, ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR CONTINUED COMMUNITY'S FEELINGS TOWARDS HIGH DENSITY AND COUNCIL'S VOTING RECORDS ON THE SAME. MR. BRYAN ALSO SAID, QUOTE, CARROLL ISD DOES NOT CONTROL THE CITY'S ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS, END QUOTE. THAT'S TRUE, BUT WHAT IS ALSO TRUE WITH RESPECT TO CISD OWNED LAND IS THAT IT'S CARROLL ISD WHO ABSOLUTELY CONTROLS WHAT IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE CITY FOR CONSIDERATION. I WANT TO QUICKLY MENTION OR OR SPEAK TO TOUCHMARK AND SENIOR LIVING. I I THINK TOUCHMARK LOOKS LIKE A GREAT COMPANY, GREAT ORGANIZATION. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A FANTASTIC PRODUCT, AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE SENIOR LIVING. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I ORIGINALLY MOVED TO SOUTHLAKE OVER 30 YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE WIDE OPEN SPACES AND OUR INCREDIBLE SCHOOL DISTRICT. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU TO. WE RAISED 3 K THROUGH 12 DRAGONS, AND IF WE COULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T CHANGE A THING. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. UM, NOW WE'RE GONNA CALL ALEX ZAHL, Z-A-L-L. UM, SORRY, APOLOGIES. IT'S ALL GOOD. PERFECT, THANK YOU. UM, AFTER THAT WILL BE JANET SCHOPF. I AM ALEX ZAHL. I LIVE IN 1203 ASHMORE COURT, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. UM, I JUST CAME UP HERE. I THINK THE PROPOSAL AND THE DENSITY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, I'VE SPENT OVER 20 YEARS COMING TO THESE MEETINGS IN OPPOSITION TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT ARE HIGH DENSITY PROJECTS. WE DON'T NEED THE DENSITY. ONCE YOU LOWER THAT BAR, AS IT'S BEEN LOWERED, NORTH SIDE OF, UH, 114 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 1 ACRE, NOW IT'S A THIRD ACRE, I MEAN A 3/4 ACRE THAT YOU GUYS ACCEPT BECAUSE SOMEBODY LOWERED THE BAR. SO, STRONGLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THE LEVEL OF DENSITY THEY HAVE AND ASK THEM TO RECONSIDER. IN THE PAST, EVERY SINGLE PROPOSAL LIKE THIS HAD AN OFFSET OF ACREAGE. HERE THEY'RE USING EVERY ACRE THEY HAVE. 20 FAMILIES PER ACRE, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN SOUTHLAKE. ALSO, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY 20 YEARS OF COMING HERE, A MARKETING CAMPAIGN OF A PROPOSED RELIGIOUS SITE THAT THE MAYOR HAD TO COME OUT AND COMMUNICATE AND SAY THAT IT DID NOT EXIST, BUT THAT HAPPENED 5 DAYS AGO, AND IN 5 DAYS, THIS FEELING AND BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, THAT IT'S, IT DOESN'T EXIST. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER OFFER, AND I JUST ASK YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THE DENSITY. THE OTHER THING, TRAFFIC. IT TAKES 2 TO 3 LIGHTS TO GET OUT OF CARROLL EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, EVEN WORSE ON WEEKENDS WHEN THE CHURCHES ARE. THAT PICTURE UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT SHOWS ALL THOSE FIELDS, THAT'S ALL PARKING LOT NOW. THAT CHURCH DOUBLED IN SIZE AND MADE THAT AND ABOUT SEVERAL ACRES BEHIND IT NOTHING BUT PARKING LOT. THAT'S A NEW ADDITION THAT NOW ADDS TO THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GET ONE SECOND ADDED TO THE TIME WHEN IT'S DEADLOCKED. THE OTHER THING, THAT PROPERTY RIGHT UP 114 HAS AN AMBULANCE IN FRONT OF IT EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY. WE PASS BY IT, WE FEEL TERRIBLE ABOUT IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHEN IT'S STOP AND GO TRAFFIC BOTH WAYS, HOW IS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE GOING TO GET THERE, AND HOW MUCH EMERGENCY INFRASTRUCTURE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD FOR 400 LIVING UNITS SITTING ON A PROPERTY LIKE THAT? SO, WITH THAT, I, I JUST SAY, PLEASE HAVE THEM RETHINK THIS, LOWER THE DENSITY TO SOMETHING THAT FITS SOUTHLAKE. UM, AS FAR AS PRICING, IT'S NOT 8,000. IT'S THE MEDIAN HOUSE INCOME AS A DEPOSIT, AND THEN 8,000 A MONTH. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE IN SOUTHLAKE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PUT THEIR FAMILIES IN HERE. UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT SEEMS TO BE A MISNOMER. PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S JUST RENT, AND IT'S NOT. UH, THE SINGLE OWNERSHIP, IF THEY DO ANY TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION, DEED RESTRICTION, ET CETERA, YOU HAVE ONE OWNER. THAT OWNER CAN COME AND SAY, I WANT TO CHANGE THE DEED AT ANY TIME, AND ALL IT TAKES IS FINDING THE RIGHT CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, GO AHEAD AND DO IT. THIS CAN BECOME AN APARTMENT OVERNIGHT. ONCE IT'S BUILT, IT'S BUILT, AND IT'S LOW DENSITY, AND IT'S AVAILABLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO, AND FOR YOU GUYS TO STAY OUT HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUTSIDE. UH, NOW WE'LL HAVE JANET CHUFF, UH, FOLLOWED BY, UH, LISA QUINN. HELLO, I'M JANET SCHOFF. MY, UH, FAMILY AND I MOVED HERE 30 YEARS AGO, AND WE CAME HERE FOR THE SCHOOLS. WE'RE STAYING HERE FOR THE MEDICAL FACILITIES. UM, IT- IT'S AN AGING [02:40:01] POPULATION. I THINK I CHECKED THE WRONG THING ON THAT BECAUSE I FORGOT MY GLASSES, BUT, UM, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY NICE, AND I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE MAY HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THE PRIMARY REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I HEARD THAT THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE BIDDING ON THIS PROPERTY, ONE BEING, UH, FOR AN ISLAMIC CENTER. IS THAT NOT TRUE? WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S NOT KIND OF A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION, BUT WE- OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU. IF, IF THEY ARE BIDDING ON IT, THEN I'M DEFINITELY FOR TOUCHMART. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NOW WE'LL CALL LISA QUINN. UM. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. ALL GOOD. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, OKAY, UM, UH, LISA QUINN DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM. OKAY. THERE WE GO, NOTED FOR THE RECORD. UM, RYAN JACOBSON, UH, FOLLOWED BY DAVE MACK. SO COME ON UP. HELLO, RYAN JACOBSON, 505 NORTHWOOD TRAIL, AND I AM HERE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. UM, YOU KNOW, I SAW THIS AT SPIN, AND I WAS HONESTLY PRETTY BLOWN AWAY. UM. I'M FIRED UP. I'M EXCITED. UH, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. HKS, YOU CRUSHED IT. UM, THE WAY THEY TIERED IT FROM LOWER LEVEL HEIGHTS ALL THE WAY UP, HOW THEY POSITIONED THE MAIN BUILDING AT A DIAGONAL SO IT LIMITS THE ACTUAL FACADE ON ALL THE STREETS. UM, THE COMING AND GOING, THE TRAFFIC, THAT WORKS REALLY WELL WITH THE GRACE LANE. THE REALITY IS, ANYONE LEAVING THIS PLACE, THEY'RE GOING TO USE GRACE LANE. THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE SURFACE ROAD. UM, I PERSONALLY HATE SURFACE PARKING IN TOWN, SO GLAD TO SEE IT LIMITED ON THIS SITE. THEY MOVED A LOT OF IT UNDERGROUND. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS DOING THAT. SO, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO GET TO THIS POINT. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY PITCHED US ON THE DAVIS SITE, AND AS A COMMUNITY, WE TURNED THEM DOWN ON THAT, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WE TOLD THEM AS A TOWN TO GO TO 114, FIND SOMETHING ALONG THERE, AND THEY DID, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY THE BEST LOCATION. IT'S EASY ACCESS FOR OUR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS. IT'S GOOD FOR PEOPLE VISITING. KIND OF KEEPS THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF LIMITED, THE TRAFFIC. I MEAN, IF I LIVED HERE, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO LEAVE, SO I HOPE TO LIVE HERE ONE DAY. UM... OUR SENIORS DESERVE THIS. THEY'RE SCARED. THEY DON'T HAVE MANY PLACES TO GO. WE'VE CREATED A BUBBLE IN THIS TOWN. WE MOVED HERE IN 92. WE, WE LOVED CREATING THAT BUBBLE, IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT AS US FRIENDS. WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THAT BUBBLE. IF I'M 80, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS BUBBLE, AND I SEE IT ON THEIR FACES. I HAD A 80-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBOR COME OVER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SHE'S SCARED. RECENTLY A WIDOW, HUGE HOUSE, DOESN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO. DAUGHTER, YOU SHOULD SELL, YOU SHOULD SELL. SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO. EVERYTHING'S FULL. SHE PAID TAXES IN THIS TOWN FOR DECADES. SHE DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO SOME OTHER TOWN THAT HAS MORE CRIME, OTHER ISSUES. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO CARROLL, CARROLL NEEDS THIS. THIS TOWN IS DEPENDENT ON CARROLL ISD. IF THIS ADDS 200 NEW FAMILIES TO THOSE HOMES, YOU'RE TALKING 500 STUDENTS, YOU'RE TALKING 4 MILLION REVENUE FOR CARROLL ISD GETTING BACK FROM THE STATE. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THERE. WE NEED THIS. AND AS A YOUNGER PERSON, I WILL ALWAYS PROMISE YOU WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT APARTMENTS, BUT THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT, SO. YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT. NOW, DAVE MACK. DAVE MACK. UM, THAT DOES IT FOR THE COMMENT CARDS, BUT IF YOU DID NOT FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AND YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, THE PUBLIC HEARING REMAINS OPEN. WE ONLY ASK THAT YOU JUST SPEAK ONE TIME PER ITEM, SO, UH, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK. I THINK THAT DOES IT, BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? COME ON UP, SIR. JUST NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND. RANDY BASIR, 2701 NORTH [02:45:01] CARROLL. BEEN HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. COMMON THEME I'VE HEARD BEFORE ME, I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT ALL THE THINGS I'VE HEARD, BUT PLACE TO GO TO STAY, KEEP AN ADDRESS IN SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. I RAISED MY FAMILY HERE. MY CHILDREN HAVE RESIDED AROUND THE AREA, AND I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE. THIS IS A TOP-NOTCH FACILITY. I KNOW TOUCHMARK. THEY'RE OWNER OPERATORS. THEY DON'T BUILD THEM AND SELL THEM. THEY BUILD THEM, THEY KEEP THEM, THEY OPERATE THEM, AND THE WAY THEY OPERATE THEM TO THE MOST VALUED AMONG US, OUR SENIORS. IT'S BAR NONE. UM, THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE. YOU CAN STAY IN PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY AS YOUR LEVEL OF CARE PROGRESSES, YOU CAN STAY. THAT'S TOP NOTCH. UH, THE AMENITIES THAT THEY PROVIDE, IT'S MUCH LIKE A CRUISE SHIP ON LAND. IT'S, IT'S SECOND TO NONE. IT'S PRETTY, IT'S REALLY, REALLY TOP NOTCH. AGAIN, UH, I THINK, I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD BEFORE, BUT I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE A PART OF CONSTRUCTING TOWN SQUARE WITH BRIAN STEBBINS. I SAW HOW HE INTERACTED WITH THE CITY. HE EXPECTED US TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE SAME INTERACTIONS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT TOUCHMARK WILL INTERACT MUCH THE SAME WAY WITH THE CITY. THEY'LL COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY, THEY'LL BRING ANOTHER TOP-NOTCH DEVELOPMENT TO AN AGING POPULATION. MUCH LIKE THE CORE VALUES OF THE DRAGONS IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, DRAGONS EXPECT EXCELLENCE, CITY COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE, TOUCHMARK WILL BRING EXCELLENCE, UM, FORTH TO DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT, SIR. DOES ANYONE ELSE, UH, WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, JUST KNOW THAT IF YOU DID SEND AN EMAIL, UM, IT DID GET REGISTERED. WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE PACKET UP HERE. I KNOW WE WERE TALKING IN THE WORK SESSION, I'LL LOOK THROUGH IT, SO JUST KNOW IT DID, IT DID MAKE THE RECORD. UM, ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DELIBERATE SOME MORE? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY. THIS WAS A GREAT PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR THE DECORUM, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY EXCHANGING THEM IN A VERY PROFESSIONAL MANNER, I THINK HOPEFULLY A GOOD EXAMPLE TO A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AROUND NORTH TEXAS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP, IF THAT'S OKAY, UH, CURTIS, AND MAYBE, UH, MAYBE JUST IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU HEARD YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON. I GUESS ONE OF THEM I HEARD WAS TURN LANES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAYBE ASK THE TRAFFIC, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO COME UP, AND THEN JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW COMMENTS ON, I GUESS, HEIGHT AND, AND HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF UNITS OR OPEN SPACE, AND IF THIS YOU COULD MOVE THE SCHOOL OR NOT. BUT I, I DON'T, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON. YEAH, SURE. A- AS FOR THE, THE TURN LANES, I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEES AND WHATEVER THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THIS, AND THE CITY'S ALREADY INDICATED PERHAPS A THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO COMPLETE SOME OF THE CITY IMPROVEMENTS THERE WITH THOSE FUNDS. UH, THE CITY WOULD PAY THEIR SHARE OR WHATEVER. IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT, UH, THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE, UH, SOMEONE MENTIONED A RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO HIGHLAND FROM CARROLL. IF, IF, IF THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, HELP TO THE, THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA RELATIVE TO JOHNSTON ELEMENTARY, UH, IT REALLY DOESN'T, WOULDN'T REALLY HELP OUR DEVELOPMENT OR NOT, BUT, BUT WE WOULD BE CERTAINLY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, BEING DIRECTED BY THE CITY, UH, ON WHAT CONSTRUCTION IS MOST IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND, AND WORK ON THAT. UM, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE HERE IS ACTUALLY EXTRAORDINARY. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO THE RESIDENTIAL PUDS ALL THE TIME, AND WE HAVE A 10% REQUIREMENT. UH, FOR 47.3 OR WHATEVER IT IS PERCENT, THAT'S, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. AND THE REASON IT'S SO HIGH IS BECAUSE ALL THE RESIDENT PARKING IS UNDERGROUND. THAT'S AN AMAZING THING THAT IS, IS TRUE NOWHERE ELSE IN SOUTHLAKE. IT'S, IT'S ALSO A VERY EXPENSIVE THING, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS HOW WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING TO THAT VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF, OF LANDSCAPE AND OPEN SPACE AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, 20 SOME FEET TO, YES, THE AT, AT THE VERY CENTER WE'RE AT 86 FEET, AND THEN THAT BUILDING SCALES DOWN AS IT GOES OUT TO THE EDGES. WE PURPOSELY HAVE PUT THE VERY TALLEST BUILDING IN THE VERY CENTER OF THE PROJECT, SO IT'S, SO FROM THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IN THERE, IT, IT, IT WILL LOOK SMALLER. THAT BUILDING IS THE CENTER OF LIFE FOR THE SENIOR COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHERE ALL THE AMENITIES ARE. THAT'S WHERE MOST, A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY WILL BE, UM, [02:50:03] AND, YOU KNOW, WITH SENIORS, YOU DON'T WANT IT LOW AND SPREAD OUT WHERE THEY HAVE TO WALK HALF A MILE JUST TO GET TO THE THING. YOU WANT IT, YOU DO WANT SOME FLOORS TO IT, UM, SO THEY CAN COME DOWN AN ELEVATOR AND BE, BE RIGHT THERE. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF THE SCIENCE BEHIND WHY THE BUILDING SHAPE IS WHAT IT IS. SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY APPROPRIATE. IT'S BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH CAREFULLY. UM, THIS, THIS CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE CONVERTED TO SOME KIND OF A APARTMENTS. I, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE MADE FROM PEOPLE I RESPECT, BUT THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IS ON THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF SOUTHLAKE, UH, RIGHT ALONG 1- 114 KIRKWOOD CORRIDOR. AND, UM, YES, THERE'S 400 CARS. SOMEONE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A TOTAL OF 400 SPACES, BUT A LOT OF THOSE SPACES ARE GOING TO HAVE A CAR IN THEM, AND THAT CAR DOESN'T MOVE FOR, FOR DAYS OR WEEKS. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MAINLY JUST TO, UH, SERVICE THE RESIDENTS FOR, FOR THEIR VEHICLES. AND AS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM MENTIONED, IF THIS WAS OFFICE COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL COMMERCIAL OR, OR ANOTHER FORM OF MIXED USE LIKE IT'S CURRENTLY LAND PLANNED, THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. SO I THINK THE TRAFFIC IN THIS FACILITY IS PROBABLY THE BEST SCENARIO YOU COULD HOPE FOR. UM, DRAINAGE, WE'VE LISTENED CAREFULLY TO OUR NEIGHBORS, THE SAN EMILIAN, UH, COMMUNITY OFF OF THERE. THEY, THEY HAVE SOME THINGS WE, WE ARE BENDING OVER BACKWARDS HERE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE, TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, DENSITY IS TALKING ABOUT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, DWELLING UNIT IS USUALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE IN SOUTHLAKE THAT HAS, WHAT, 2 TO 5 TO 6 TO 7 PEOPLE LIVING THERE? THE AVERAGE PER UNIT IN HERE IS ABOUT 1 AND A QUARTER, THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. SO, I THINK THAT OUGHT TO COLOR THE WAY WE CONSIDER THE, THE SO-CALLED DENSITY HERE. IT'S REALLY MORE LIKE BEDROOMS IN A HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY ONLY A LITTLE OVER 1 PEOPLE PER UNIT, IF YOU WILL. SO, I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT COMPARES A LITTLE BIT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT LIKE A, A, YOU KNOW, 400 UNIT, 3-BEDROOM APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT'S, IT'S MUCH, MUCH LESS THAN THAT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL DENSITY OF PEOPLE ON IT. SO, ANYWAY. OKAY. NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. I APPRECIATE YOU TOUCHING ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I GUESS, DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY OTHER FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE DELIBERATE? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU CLARIFY AGAIN WHY THE EXIT ON THE GRACELAND OR THAT DRIVE ENTRY IS JUST FOR SERVICE OR FOR THE EMPLOYEES? IT, IT, IT ACTUALLY CAN BE USED FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL. THE, THE, UH, THIS COULD COME IN. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THE SERVICE PEOPLE WILL COME IN. UM, RESIDENTS CAN ALSO COME IN THERE AND THEN GO DOWN TO THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S UNDER THIS AREA IN HERE AS WELL. UH, AS WELL, THEY COULD COME IN HERE AS WELL TO PARK, PARK ON THIS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL LEARN WHAT TIMES OF DAY NOT TO USE CARROLL, PERHAPS. I, I SPENT ALMOST 20 YEARS OFFICEING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS. I KNOW, I KNOW WELL WHEN, WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS, IS DIFFICULT ON CARROLL, AND, AND UH, I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS HERE WILL LEARN THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SO, I SPENT A DAY AND A HALF REVIEWING THIS PROPOSAL, NOT MOSTLY BECAUSE I'M RETIRED AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO, BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE GOING TO HEAR. UM, I NOTED WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS THAT THERE'S LIKE 90,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE MAIN BUILDING THAT'S DEDICATED TO PARKING, AND IT TAKES UP NEARLY THAT ENTIRE FIRST LEVEL. IS THAT, IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? THAT'S TRUE, YES. AND SO EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, I HEARD ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT MAKING THE BUILDING 5 STORIES INSTEAD OF 6. WELL, ONE OF THOSE STORIES IS THAT PARKING LEVEL. RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU'VE TRADED PARKING IN THE BUILDING FOR GREEN SPACE. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE APPLAUDED FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S LED TO A MUCH GREENER, MUCH MORE HEAVILY TREED [02:55:01] PROJECT, AND I'M HIGHLY IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE I, I KNOW FROM BEING IN THE BUSINESS AND KNOWING WHAT, HOW THESE DOCUMENTS ARE GOING TO TRANSLATE INTO, UM, INTO A REAL PROJECT THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE GREENERY THAT'S HERE. IT'S, IT'S GOING TO REALLY BE AN ATTRACTIVE PROJECT. I AGREE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION. UH, WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING INCREASING CLIMATE EXTREMES, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF HOT AND COLD AND RAIN AND SNOW, OR NOT THAT SNOW, BUT THIS IS ABOUT THE ONLY THING WE HAVEN'T HAD EXTREMES OF RECENTLY IN TEXAS. HAVE YOU DONE ANY KIND OF SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS AROUND THE DETENTION PONDS TO SEE IF WE START GETTING GREATER, UH, HUMIDITY CLIMATE CHANGES THAT WE MAY NEED TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN MORE WATER ON THE POND, NOT TO HAVE WATER FLOWING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS? WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE, WE'RE OVER-DETAINING FROM WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. THE STANDARDS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S CONSIDERED A 100-YEAR EVENT OR A 1% EVENT, WHICH IS A EXTREMELY HIGH RAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A HURRICANE COMING IN STRAIGHT FROM THE GULF AND, AND, AND RAINING HERE. SO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN PROVEN, MAYBE SOME OF THE MORE INTERMEDIATE RAINS, IF THERE'S HIGHER HUMIDITY, MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'LL CHANGE THE, THE 100-YEAR STORM. UH, WE, WE CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT THAT, BUT. YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. TO GET BACK TO THE TRAFFIC AND, UM, TOUCHING ON THE RIGHT TURN LANE FEASIBILITY, EVEN MORE THAN THAT, I WAS THINKING IN TANDEM WITH THAT MIGHT BE, UM, KIND OF A SHORT DECEL LANE TOO. AND EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I KNOW WHERE THAT WAS FOCUSED MORE ON THE HIGHLAND, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTRANCE OFF OF NORTH CARROLL INTO THE PROPERTY, EVEN, EVEN THE PHOTO SHOWS 4 CARS COMING IN AT ONE TIME. AND SO IF THAT WERE TO REALLY HAPPEN, WHAT WOULD, WOULD, UM, THE RESULT WOULD BE EVERYBODY SLOW ON NORTH CARROLL WAITING FOR THOSE CARS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, KEEP CARROLL MOVING, YOU KNOW, WHILE, WHILE THINGS GO IN. SO IS THAT FEASIBLE TO DO JUST A SHORT LITTLE DECEL, UM, IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, FOR WITH THAT PARTICULAR ENTRANCE? YEAH, T- TYPICALLY DECEL LANES ARE DONE WHEN THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GETS OVER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OR WHATEVER. OUR, OUR TRAFFIC GUY SAID THAT WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT THRESHOLD. WHAT, WHAT IS ALSO IN PLAY HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR STACKING DISTANCE, AND, AND WHEN YOU TURN INTO A DRIVEWAY, THERE'S THERE, THERE'S A PLACE FOR THE, THE CARS TO GO SO THEY, THEY DON'T STACK UP AND GO OUT ONTO THERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO MEET ALL THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS. IF, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A NEED FOR A DECEL LANE THERE AT, AT, AT THE MAIN ENTRY, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE ROOM FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A THREE-LANE ROAD, AND UM, THERE'S, UH, SO IT'S GOT THAT CENTER LANE TO GO AROUND IT, EVEN CASE, BUT THE THREE-LANE ROAD AND 88-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A DECEL LANE, IF ONE WERE TO BE NEEDED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE DELIBERATE? OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. GREAT, THANK YOU. WE WILL CALL YOU UP, SO NO, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO MAYBE JUST BEGINNING THE DELIBERATIONS, AND I KNOW WE'LL PROBABLY ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME VARYING VIEWS HERE. I GUESS FIRST, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL MAKE THE COMMENT I THINK SOME OTHERS MADE. IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOUCHMARK IS KIND OF A FIRST CLASS. GROUP, THEY'RE LOOK LIKE A, A VERY WELL-KNOWN OPERATOR. UH, WHEN WE EVALUATE PROJECTS, WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOKING TO BRING IN THE A TEAM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST ON A FEW SITES, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE HIGH QUALITY, UH, APPLICANTS THAT BUILD PROJECTS FOR THE LONG TERM. SO I THINK THAT'S APPRECIATED HERE. AGAIN, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE A TEAM. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, BIG FANS OF BRINGING THE B TEAM IN HERE TO BUILD THINGS, BECAUSE THEN YOU USUALLY END UP WITH PROBLEMS. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. I GUESS IF I WAS TO TAKE THEM KIND OF ONE AT A TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE LAND USE REQUEST, YOU KNOW, AS WE WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR RESIDENTS KIND OF HELP US PUT THIS TOGETHER. UM, THEY VERY OFTEN ARE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE'RE FOCUSED ON IT. I I JUST PERSONALLY HOLD IT TO A PRETTY HIGH BAR IN TERMS OF ANY REQUESTED CHANGES, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT THAT COULD BE MORE HIGHER INTENSITY, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS YOU CAN LOOK AT THERE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING FOR ME THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER BAR. IT WAS INTERESTING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HEAR SOME VIEWS JUST ON THE WHOLE APPLICATION FROM A COUPLE OF FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THAT I THINK EXPRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. SO I I GUESS I I, YOU KNOW, [03:00:01] REALLY KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH THAT WHENEVER WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S NOT A DOWN ZONE. TYPICALLY, WE'LL HAVE KIND OF DOWN ZONING TYPE, LESS INTENSE REQUESTS. UM, I, I JUST STRUGGLED TO KIND OF HAVE, I GUESS IN MY MIND, THE DISTRICT REALLY LAY OUT THE OPTIONS IT EVALUATED IN TERMS OF USE. DID IT EVALUATE USES CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN? DID IT EVALUATE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE MAYBE LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? HOW DID THEY COME THROUGH THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS? DID THEY GET SOME KIND OF PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FIRM TO EVALUATE WHAT THE LAND USES COULD LOOK LIKE? I KNOW THAT'S GOING ON IN TOWN SQUARE HERE RIGHT NOW WITH SOME OF THE COOPER AND STEBBINS EXCESS LAND. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, THAT HELP KIND OF HELPS GIVE MORE CONTEXT BEHIND THE LAND USE CHANGE TO ME. SO I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I REALLY QUITE UNDERSTOOD KIND OF THE LOGIC BEHIND IT. IF IT WAS JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE HIGHEST PRICE FOR THE MOST DENSE, INTENSE USE. THAT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING, WHEN AN APPLICANT SAYS IT, WE DON'T REALLY LOOK VERY FAVORABLY UPON. UM, SO THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH HERE ON THE LAND USE SIDE. UH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE ZONING, I GUESS I'D SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE 357 UNITS, 21, UH, YOU KNOW, NET UNITS PER ACRE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS BY MY MATH, IF YOU INCLUDE THE PARK AND THE RESIDENCES, THE APARTMENT PROPERTY OVER HERE, AND MAKE THAT 3 ACRES, THAT'S AROUND 16 OR 17 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THAT'S HERE IN OUR TOWN SQUARE, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BE KIND OF OUR MOST DENSE AREA OF TOWN, AND THAT ALL FEEDS INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT ISSUES IN TERMS OF IT BEING KIND OF THE TALLEST THING AROUND, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE FREEWAY, UM, TREE PRESERVATION ISSUES, WHICH AGAIN, COUNCIL USUALLY, YOU KNOW, BRINGS UP AND FOCUSES ON, UM, AS WE KNOW, SINCE WE'RE SERVING THEM UP TO THEM. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL TAKE SOME COMFORT IN THE, IN THE CITY ORDINANCE RESTRICTIONS AND DEED RESTRICTIONS ON KIND OF THE AGE THRESHOLDS THESE CAN BE LEASED TO, BUT I MEAN, I DO KIND OF HEAR WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW, SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE, YOU NEVER KNOW, THEY CAN ALWAYS CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT I GUESS I COULD GET THAT. SO, I MEAN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE MERIT OF THE CONCEPT, BUT I, I STRUGGLE WITH THE LAND USE CHANGE, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING THIS INTENSE. IF IT WAS MAYBE LESS INTENSE, I THINK I COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GET MY ARMS AROUND IT BETTER, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR ME PERSONALLY, BUT I KNOW WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS ON HERE. SO, UM, I GUESS WE'LL START TO THE RIGHT IF ANYONE WANTS TO, TO STATE HOW THEY FEEL ON THIS. I AGREE WITH YOU. I STRUGGLE WITH THE, THE DENSITY OF IT, BUT I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN WATERMERE THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS WITH MY SON VOLUNTEERING WITH YMSL, SO BEEN IN THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES THERE, AND YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT, AND THERE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN AND OUT, BUT IT'S NOT TYPICALLY, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, AND I WAS THERE A LOT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, UM, HIGH EMERGENCY. IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT WAS PORTRAYED. UM, AND I THINK I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LIKE THE PARKING. I THINK THAT'S AMAZING. UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING FROM HAVING A GARAGE THEIR WHOLE LIFE ARE WORRIED ABOUT HAIL, HAVING TO WASH THE CAR. THAT WILL DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT IN AND OF ITSELF. SO I, I STRUGGLE WITH THE DENSITY, BUT I REALLY LIKE, THEY REALLY, WE'VE SEEN SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE SIMILAR, AND THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS, AND THIS REALLY HAS ANSWERED A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE COMPLAINED ABOUT. COUNCIL MEMBER, OR SORRY, COUNCIL- COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER PHALEN. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. UH, YEAH, SO I, I UNDERSTAND, I GUESS, YOU GUYS' CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD. I KNOW WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL PROPOSALS FOR, UH, ASSISTED LIVING AND THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, AND WE'VE, UH, TYPICALLY HAVEN'T BEEN SEEING THEM FAVORABLY. WHEN I SAW THIS ONE COME THROUGH CORRIDOR, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST APPROPRIATE SPOTS IF THERE'S EVER GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. UH, A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO GO BACK AND POSSIBLY, LIKE, REDUCE THE DENSITY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS UNDERGROUND PARKING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS, THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. SO IF WE ASK THEM TO REDUCE THE DENSITY, UM, THEY MAY FEEL LIKE IN ORDER TO PENCIL IT OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH SURFACE PARKING, AND THEN THERE GOES A LOT OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. SO, WHILE I RECOGNIZE THIS IS HIGH DENSITY, I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. IT'S NOT A, A FAMILY LIVING THERE, IT'S PROBABLY ONE, MAYBE TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE DWELLING UNITS. SO IT'S A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN COMPARING IT TO A TYPICAL APARTMENT COMPLEX DWELLING UNITS. UH, AND THEN I GUESS FINALLY, LIKE, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THIS ISN'T THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AS AN APPRAISER, I, I, WE DEAL WITH HIGHEST AND BEST USE ALL DAY LONG, AND I FEEL LIKE THE MARKET REALLY DICTATES HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THIS PROPERTY WAS ON THE MARKET. UH, I BELIEVE WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE, THE BROKER THAT WAS LISTING IT WAS THAT THIS, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF DE- UH, DEVELOPERS COMING TO THIS, TO THEM WITH OFFERS. AND SO, NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE [03:05:01] SHOULD APPROVE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BUYER TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFIT, THE SELLER TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFIT. THAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE TYPICALLY. SO IF WE DENY IT, SAYING THIS ISN'T THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, THEY MAY NOT GET A DIFFERENT OFFER FOR A WHILE. SO I GUESS I JUST LOOK AT THE MARKET USUALLY DETERMINES HIGHEST AND BEST USE, AND THIS SEEMS TO BE WHAT IT IS. SO I, I DO BELIEVE, I KNOW WE RECOGNIZE IT'S HIGH DENSITY, BUT I COULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT. MY. MY VIEW OF HOW TO APPROACH THINGS LIKE THIS IS, I'VE ALWAYS FOCUSED ON THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND BALANCED QUALITY GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SLIGHTLY UNBALANCED ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS SENIOR HOUSING. NOW, THE FACT THAT THIS IS MULTIPLE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT KIND OF COMPLEX THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE FACT THAT IT'S RESTRICTED AND IT'S NOT REALLY THAT KIND OF A COMPLEX THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN FIGHTING, THAT IT IS LIMITED IN TERMS OF ITS USE, THAT THE STATISTICS CLEARLY SHOW THAT THERE'S A WAITING LIST IN THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT EXIST IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY, AND THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, COST MAY BE A LIMITING FACTOR, AN APPROACH TO START SOLVING A COMMUNITY PROBLEM BECAUSE HOUSING IN SOUTHLAKE FOR RESI- FOR SENIORS, PARTICULARLY AGE 75 AND ABOVE, WE SEE IS A PARTICULAR PROBLEM. UH, I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN TERMS OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SEE AS THE SOUTHLAKE IMAGE OF QUALITY. UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, PARTICULARLY IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE HERE ARE AT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OPENING OF THE FACILITY, IF THEY CAN BE COMPLETED ABOUT THE SAME TIME TO TRY TO RELIEVE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC ISSUES WHEN IT OPENS, WHEN THE RESIDENTS START COMING IN. I THINK THAT CAN ADDRESS A LOT OF THE THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE WATER RUNOFF, UH, DETENTION, UH, RAISED THE ISSUE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING BACK AND TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK WHERE WEATHER EXTREMES ARE BECOMING MORE, UH, FREQUENT, UH, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE LOOK TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS RETAINED ON THE SITE, REALLY MAKES US A CLOSED KIND OF COMMUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT THIS CAN BE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, BENEFIT TO OUR OVERALL, UH, DEVELOPMENT HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER GUNTER, AND WE'LL GIVE WHAT YOU HAVE THE LAST WORD. I FIGURED YOU'D WANT. UM, THAT GENERAL CONSENSUS OF MOST OF THE COMMENTS, UM, I, I DO LIKE AND APPRECIATE HOW IT'S LAID OUT SO THAT THE HEIGHT IS IN THE MIDDLE AND CASCADES DOWN, AND, AND THAT REALLY ADDRESSED SOME OF THE DAVIS CONCERNS WITH THE RESIDENTS GOING, OH, YOU'RE PEERING, PEERING DOWN, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT CONTEXT, BUT THAT, UM, WAS A A GREAT AD- ADDRESS, AND THEN IN THE GREEN SPACE, AND I I DO THINK SOMETHING MAYBE BECAUSE THERE IS AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME TWEAKING, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE ENTRANCES AND HIGHLAND, SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WITH WITH MAKING SURE THAT CAROL KEEPS FLOWING AND THINGS AREN'T BACKING UP. UM, DENSITY, YOU KNOW, I I GUESS I STRUGGLE WITH THE DENSITY TOO, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE, OKAY, SAY YOU TAKE OUT 100 UNITS, IT'S STILL A LOT OF DENSITY, AND SO YOU'VE ALREADY BROKEN THE SEAL, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT, IF THIS IS THE KIND OF USE SLASHING UNITS IS REALLY, UM, HELPING, AND AND LIKE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER CANNOVA POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS KIND OF THE FINANCIAL BALANCE OF HAVING TO HAVE THE UNITS TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE. AND THEN, UM, SO I'M, I'M GENERALLY S- SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I'LL, I'LL THROW OUT A CRAZY IDEA WITH THE CONCERN ABOUT THE APARTMENTS. I MEAN, THERE, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CONVEYANCE INSTRUMENT IS, IS GIVEN, THERE COULD BE A REVERSIONARY CLAUSE THAT IT'S EVER USED FOR APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE, UM, SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S JUST A CRAZY IDEA, SO. DULY NOTED. UH, ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND ROUND IT OUT TO MR. CUNNINGHAM. OBVIOUSLY, MY FEELINGS ARE PROBABLY WELL KNOWN BY NOW, BUT, UM. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN DELIBERATING. I- I- I'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND HAVING BEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT REAL ESTATE BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS, I KNOW WHAT THINGS COST, AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A PROJECT LIKE THIS WORK. AND IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A QUALITY PROJECT, HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE, HIGH QUALITY LANDSCAPING, HIGH QUALITY AMENDMENTS, A- AMENITIES, ALL OF THE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, ROAD WORK DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT REC- MAKE THIS PROJECT REALLY SPECIAL ARCHITECTURALLY FROM AND FROM A [03:10:01] SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME DENSITY TO MAKE IT WORK. AND SO IF, IF YOU START CUTTING BACK 15 OR 20 UNITS HERE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE UP? ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE UP TREES? ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE UP ANOTHER ENTRANCE? OR ARE YOU GOING TO JUST HAVE, NOT HAVE A PROJECT? AND I THINK THIS PROJECT, NOT ONLY IS THIS PROJECT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION, I THINK IT'S A SUPERIOR CHOICE FOR THIS LOCATION. AND I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WORK, AND I'VE PICKED OUT A LITTLE, A FEW SITES IN MY LIFE AS TO WHERE TO DEVELOP THINGS, AND I'VE BEEN GENERALLY SUCCESSFUL WITH THEM. AND I'VE BEEN SU- I'VE BEEN VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SINCE I FIRST SAW IT, PARTLY BECAUSE I'M 70 YEARS OLD, AND I'M NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM WANTING TO LIVE HERE AS WELL. AND I ALSO JUST PUT MY MOTHER IN AN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER. I KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE. AND SO, COMING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, WE HAVE A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR, OUR ELDERLY NEIGHBORS, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, AND WE JUST SHOULDN'T MISS IT. AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THAT, BUT I, BUT I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. WITH THAT, UH, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND GRAB SOME MOTIONS, UM. CAN I ASK A QUESTION YEAH. TO STAFF? YEAH, YEAH, SURE. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD TIE, LIKE, IF WE APPROVED THE... OH, SORRY. IF WE APPROVE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, COULD IT BE CONTINGENT UPON ITEM 8, SO THAT IF, LIKE, THAT CONTRACT FELL THROUGH OR FOR SOME REASON THIS DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T GO THROUGH, THEN OUR APPROVAL OF THE FUTURE, OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT WOULD ALSO BE NULL AND VOID? CAN WE TIE THEM TOGETHER? I MEAN, LET, LET, LET'S LET STAFF WEIGH IN FIRST. I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT HE GETS PAID TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. HE'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN YOU, I THINK, ACTUALLY, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. UM. I DON'T KNOW. TECHNICALLY, THE, I MEAN, THE WAY IT'S CRAFTED AND THE WAY THE MOTION I- IS MADE, UM, THE LAND USE OCCURS FIRST AND THE ZONING SECOND. UM, IF FOR SOME REASON YOUR DECISION IN THE ZONING CHANGE FAILS, THE IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO, UM, SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM, SOMEONE SECOND THAT, AND THEN GO BACK AND RECONSIDER THE LAND USE IF YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. UH, THE SAME WOULD HOLD TRUE AS THIS MOVES THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. ONCE COUNCIL TAKES AN ACTION ON THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING, WHAT MAY HAPPEN WITH THE CONTRACT AND OTHER THINGS WOULD, COULD NOT IMPACT WHETHER THAT ZONING OR THAT LAND USE AMENDMENT ZONING OR, UH, AMENDMENT IS REMAINS VALID. IT WOULD BE AN APPROVED ORDINANCE AND, AND WOULD REQUIRE AN APPROPRIATE CHANGE TO GO, GO BACK. AND DENNIS, I GUESS WHAT, FOR THIS EVENING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE TAKING THE LAND USE AMENDMENT VOTE FIRST. CORRECT. AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THE ZONING SECOND. AND I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS AFTER THE ZONING VOTE, IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A POTENTIAL CHANGE OF HEART, THAT WE COULD DO THAT THIS EVENING IF, IF SO DESIRED. IS THAT? THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S YOUR DESIRE TO, UH, SEND A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S CONSISTENT BE- BETWEEN THE TWO. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN NOTE ALL THAT BEFORE WE ADJOURN. WE CAN, WE CAN ASK, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE, GO FORWARD. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? GOOD. OKAY. SO... AT THIS POINT, YES. ARE WE MAKING UH. I THINK, I THINK LIKE FOR ITEM 7, YOU, THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT ADDING YOU, YOU... I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN, I THINK UNLESS THERE'S ANY ADDITIONS OR AMENDMENTS PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE UP, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE A MOTION ON ITEM 7 A CHANCE, AND IF ANYONE THINKS ANYTHING THEY WANT TO AMEND IT WITH, WE CAN DISCUSS, AND THEN WE CAN JUST GO FORWARD. YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7 ON THE AGENDA, AND THAT'S, UH, CASE CP26-0008, AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR [03:15:02] TOUCHMARK, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 2ND, 2026. OKAY, DENNIS, WE'VE GOT A MOTION. ANYONE WANT TO AMEND ANYTHING THERE? WE CAN ALWAYS, AGAIN, ASK FOR A VOTE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY, PASSES 5-1. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 8, AND SAME THING, WE'LL JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS NEEDED. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 8 ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, Z- UH, ZONING CASE ZA26-0052, ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR TOUCHMARK, UM, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 08, 2026, ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER 4 DATED OCTOBER 8, 2026. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. ANY AMENDMENTS DESIRED TO THAT? WE GOOD? GOOD. OKAY. WE HAVE A GOOD MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY, PASSES 5-1. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH BOTH THOSE MOTIONS TOGETHER? SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD? OKAY. AND THEN THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE VERY CIVIL, UH, PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION. APPRECIATE IT. AND WITH THAT, UH, HERE BEFORE 10 P. M. THIS EVENING AT 10, 9:51 P. M., WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.