[00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 3RD, 2026. MY NAME IS SHAWN MCCASKILL AND AS MAYOR, I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. WELCOME. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR WORK SESSION, AS WE ALWAYS DO. AND THE FIRST ITEM, AS ALWAYS, IS TO INTRODUCE AND WELCOME PASTOR CLAYTON READ FROM SOUTHLAKE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHO SERVES THE CITY AS OUR OFFICIAL CITY CHAPLAIN. HE'S GOING TO LEAD US IN PRAYER. AND THEN FOR THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO REMAIN STANDING, WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE TEXAS PLEDGE. PASTOR REED, THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING, AND WE GIVE SPECIAL THANKS TONIGHT THAT WE HAD THE FREEDOM AND OUR NATION TO VOTE AND TO LET OUR VOICE BE HEARD. THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOM OF DOING THAT, FOR THE JOY OF DOING THAT. I PRAY FOR CANDIDATES AND THEIR FAMILIES TONIGHT AS THEY WAIT RESULTS THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM PEACE AND STRENGTH AND BLESSING. THANK YOU FOR PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE ONES IN FRONT OF ME, THAT ARE WILLING TO RUN AND PUT THEIR NAMES OUT THERE TO REPRESENT ALL OF US, AND WE PRAY BLESSING OVER THEM. TONIGHT. WE PRAY FOR THIS ROOM. WE PRAY FOR PEACE IN THIS SPACE. WE PRAY FOR WISDOM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL MAKE DECISIONS. AND WE PRAY JESUS, THE PEOPLE THAT STAND BEHIND THIS MICROPHONE, THAT YOU WOULD BRING PEACE INTO THEIR HEART AND PERSPECTIVE ABOUT OUR LIVES AND THE GOODNESS THAT WE EXPERIENCE BY JUST LIVING AROUND HERE TONIGHT. MOST OF ALL, WE GIVE THANKS FOR JESUS CHRIST AND THE JOY AND HOPE THAT NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, JESUS IS STILL ON HIS THRONE AND GOD IS ALWAYS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT, JESUS. AND IT'S IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY TONIGHT. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. PASTOR. READ THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND THE TEXAS PLEDGE HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU, PASTOR REED. NEXT ITEM IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER THREE. WE'RE GOING TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZE SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT, GERALD PRUITT FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS AND VOLUNTEER WORK WITH THE RED [3. Honors & Recognition: Proclamation honoring Mr. Gerald Pruitt, Red Cross Volunteer ] CROSS. SPECIFICALLY RECENTLY WITH THE HURRICANE ISAIAH DISASTER RESPONSE. SO, MR. PRUITT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DID TO HELP OUT, AND YOU CAN COME FORWARD TO TAKE PICTURES IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH. WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER TO THE AMERICAN RED CROSS TO RECOGNIZE ME TONIGHT, BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT REALLY, IT'S THE EFFORTS OF FELLOW CITIZENS THAT REALLY MAKE THE AMERICAN RED CROSS POSSIBLE. THE AMERICAN RED CROSS MISSION IS TO ALLEVIATE SUFFERING OF PERSONS IN EMERGENCIES, AND THEY DO THAT BY USING THE POWER OF THEIR VOLUNTEERS, LIKE MYSELF, AND THE GENEROSITY OF THE DONORS. AND SO IT'S REALLY YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO MAKE MY SERVICE TO THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING POSSIBLE. SO I APPRECIATE THIS PROCLAMATION AND ACCEPTED ON BEHALF OF THE NORTH TEXAS REGION OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS. I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR THE AMERICAN RED CROSS FOR FOUR YEARS. I'VE BEEN ON ABOUT 12 TO 14 DEPLOYMENTS, BUT NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE TO PLACES LIKE FLORIDA AND ALABAMA. IT'S ALSO BEEN TO GUAM, BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN TO WISE COUNTY, TO BEDFORD, TO HURST, TO RONELL IT TO BRIDGEPORT. THOSE PLACES ARE OFTEN PLACES THAT ALSO HAVE EMERGENCIES. THEY. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CERTAINLY COULD HAVE AN EMERGENCY. A TORNADO, A FIRE. MANY OF OUR SERVICES ARE TO PEOPLE AFTER HOUSE FIRES. INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY EMERGENCIES AND WE'RE PLEASED TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. I THINK MOST OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT I WORK WITH HAVE A DESIRE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND A DESIRE TO ASSIST THEIR FELLOW SERVANT, THEIR THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE'RE PROUD OF YOU. HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO RECOGNIZE YOU. COUNCIL. ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE READ A PROCLAMATION IN YOUR HONOR? ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT. WE'RE GOING TO READ THE PROCLAMATION, AND THEN WE HAVE A COPY TO GIVE TO YOU, AND WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE RECOGNIZES AND VALUES RESIDENTS WHO DEMONSTRATE COMPASSION, GENEROSITY AND A COMMITMENT TO SERVING OTHERS IN TIMES OF NEED. AND WHEREAS, SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT GERALD PRUITT HAS VOLUNTEERED HIS TIME AND TALENTS WITH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS, [00:05:06] AN ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO PREVENTING AND ALLEVIATING HUMAN SUFFERING DURING EMERGENCIES. AND WHEREAS, BETWEEN OCTOBER 7TH AND 21ST, 2026, MR. PRUITT WAS DEPLOYED IN SUPPORT OF THE HURRICANE. ISAIAH'S DISASTER RESPONSE SERVING COMMUNITIES IN THE ALABAMA AND MISSISSIPPI REGIONS. AND WHEREAS, IN HIS ROLE IN LOGISTICS AND FULFILLMENT, MR. PRUITT HELPED ENSURE THE DELIVERY OF ESSENTIAL SUPPLIES AND RESOURCES TO EMERGENCY SHELTERS AND DISASTER AFFECTED COMMUNITIES DURING THE RESPONSE AND RECOVERY EFFORTS. AND WHEREAS, THROUGH HIS HUMANITARIAN SERVICE AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND ASSIST COMMUNITIES BEYOND HIS OWN, MR. PRUITT EXEMPLIFIES THE SPIRIT OF VOLUNTEERISM, CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY AND KINDNESS THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. NOW THEREFORE, I SHAWN MCCASKILL AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, AND ON BEHALF OF OUR SOUTHLAKE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OUR APPRECIATION AND RECOGNITION OF GERALD PRUITT FOR HIS HUMANITARIAN SERVICE WITH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND HIS DEDICATED SUPPORT OF COMMUNITIES IMPACTED BY THE HURRICANE, AND WE ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN US IN EXPRESSING OUR GRATITUDE FOR HIS COMMITMENT TO HELPING OTHERS IN TIMES OF NEED. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOR YOUR SERVICE. FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS FOR THEIR. MORE THAN WOMAN EVER WANTS TO COME FOR YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF. COUNCIL MEMBERS DOES ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO COME ON MORE THAN. WELCOME. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU GOTTA GET YOUR PHONE. OH, ONE MORE NEXT WEEK. ONE. TWO. THREE. ONE. TWO. THREE. LET'S DO ANOTHER ROUND OF. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR. [4. Honors & Recognition: Veterans Day Event Update and Invitation ] WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE UPCOMING VETERANS DAY CEREMONY NEXT WEEK. ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH AT 9 A.M. IN THE FRONT OF THE FRONT STEPS OF TOWN HALL. IF THERE'S A WEATHER ISSUE, WE'LL MOVE INSIDE, BUT I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE OPERATIONS MANAGER MELODY ANDERSON, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER FOR US AGAIN THIS YEAR TO TELL US WHAT'S COMING UP. GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME AND SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR VETERANS DAY THIS YEAR. VETERANS DAY IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY. CELEBRATE THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SHARED. SORRY HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM. WE'VE PLANNED SEVERAL WAYS TO RECOGNIZE OUR VETERANS THROUGHOUT SOUTHLAKE LEADING UP TO THE VETERANS DAY PROGRAM ON NOVEMBER 11TH. TONIGHT, WE INVITED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HELP TIE YELLOW RIBBONS AROUND THE TREES IN RESTON AND FAMILY PARKS. IT IS A SIMPLE BUT MEANINGFUL TRADITION THAT HELPS US RECOGNIZE OUR VETERANS. WE WILL ALSO HAVE OUR VETERANS DAY BANNERS DISPLAYED ALONG MAIN STREET AND AT TOWN HALL, MILITARY BRANCH FLAGS PLACED IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL AND THE RESTON RESTON PARK FOUNTAIN ILLUMINATED GREEN IN RECOGNITION OF OUR VETERANS. ON VETERANS DAY, WE WILL FLY THE POW MIA FLAG AND OUR LOCAL BOY SCOUTS WILL HELP PLACE THE AMERICAN FLAGS AROUND RESTON AND FAMILY PARKS. ALL OF THESE TOUCHES HELP CREATE A PATRIOTIC ATMOSPHERE AND SHOW OUR VETERANS HOW MUCH THEIR SERVICE MEANS TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE THE VETERANS WHO ARE PART OF OUR OWN CITY OF SOUTHLAKE TEAM. THESE EMPLOYEES HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY, AND TODAY THEY CONTINUE THAT COMMITMENT TO SERVICE RIGHT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. WE'RE PROUD TO WORK ALONGSIDE THEM, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE BOTH THEIR MILITARY SERVICE AND EVERYTHING THEY DO IN OUR COMMUNITY. [00:10:07] TO ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEE VETERANS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT PART OF OUR VETERANS DAY RECOGNITION IS THE RETURN OF THE FACES OF 22 ARTWORK. THE ARTWORK WILL BE DISPLAYED IN THE TOWN HALL LOBBY BEGINNING NOVEMBER 4TH FOLLOWING THE ELECTION, AND WILL REMAIN ON DISPLAY THROUGH NOVEMBER 13TH. WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO VISIT THE EXHIBIT. IT IS AN IMPORTANT REMINDER THAT HONORING OUR VETERANS ALSO MEANS SUPPORTING THEM AND RECOGNIZING THE CHALLENGES THEY MAY FACE. AND OF COURSE, WE'D LOVE EVERYONE TO JOIN US FOR OUR VETERANS DAY PROGRAM ON WEDNESDAY. AS THE MAYOR SAID NOVEMBER 11TH AT 9 A.M. ON THE STEPS OF TOWN HALL. THIS YEAR'S PROGRAM WILL FOCUS ON CELEBRATING OUR VETERANS, RECOGNIZING THEIR SERVICE, AND GIVING OUR COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND SHOW OUR APPRECIATION. THE COMMUNITY BAND WILL BE PERFORMING, AND WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO HAVE LIEUTENANT COLONEL MATT HEINTZ, THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, SPEAK. WE LOOK FORWARD TO A MEANINGFUL MORNING AND HOPE EVERYONE WILL JOIN US. VETERANS DAY IS REALLY ABOUT ONE SIMPLE THING SAYING THANK YOU. WE HAVE SO MANY VETERANS WHO ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND OUR CITY TEAM, AND THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND CELEBRATE THEIR SERVICE. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. MELODY, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK YOU DO YEAR AFTER YEAR ON THIS EVENT. IT'S ALWAYS PERFECT AND SPECIAL. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH? AGAIN, THAT'S AT 9 A.M. THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME. WE'LL BE OUTSIDE ON THE FRONT STEPS OF TOWN HALL. IF THERE'S A WEATHER ISSUE, WE'LL JUST MOVE INSIDE INTO THE LOBBY. JUST OUTSIDE THESE DOORS. SO THE EVENT WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT IS WORK SESSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHERE WE DISCUSS THE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [5. Discuss all items on tonight's agenda. No action will be taken and each item will be considered during the Regular Session. ] AND I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AUSTIN REYNOLDS. GOTTA GET INTO PRACTICE AGAIN. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE INCLUDED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. A APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING BE AWARDED A BID TO CENTRAL NORTH CONSTRUCTION LLC FOR PHASE THREE OF THE GREEN RIVER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND NORTH WHITECHAPEL BOULEVARD IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $219,579. SEE. APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-040. ADOPTING PERSONNEL POLICY NUMBER 722. RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE AND AMENDING CITY CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARD RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE. D APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26041 ADOPTING PERSONNEL POLICY NUMBERS 723. SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME BENEFITS FOR RETIRED FIREFIGHTERS AND PEACE OFFICERS. E APPROVE ZA26-0070. PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR BEAR HOLLOW ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS ONE, A, ONE B TWO AND THREE PARKERS CORNER AND TRACT TWO A ZERO TWO JESSE G. ALLEN SURVEY ABSTRACT 18 AND LOCATED AT 300 500 504 606 84 DAVIS BOULEVARD, APPROVED SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE FOR AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, RESIDENT INSPECTION AND MATERIALS TESTING SERVICES FOR T.W. KING PUMP STATION PHASE ONE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,008,000. G APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 1305 FIRST READING. APPROVE THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO. CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. H TO TABLE ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-667. CZA26-0010. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR CHAPEL CROSSING MEDICAL ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOTS ONE R1 AND ONE R2. BLOCK A REVENUE VILLAGE ADDITION AND LOCATED AT 245 AND 275 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 114. APPLICANT SOUTHERLAND KING CONSULTING LLC, PROPERTY OWNER NOUVEAU VOYAGE PEAK CENTRAL LLC. CURRENT AND REQUEST ZONING P TWO GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICTS. NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER FIVE AND APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE NOVEMBER 17TH, 2026, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AT WHICH TIME A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS OR ANY DISCUSSION NEEDED ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE THAT UP AND VOTE ON THAT DURING THE REGULAR SESSION. NEXT UP, I WILL CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER. [1. Call to order. ] [00:15:02] WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT TONIGHT. BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP TWO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. WE'LL START WITH ITEM SIX A AND THEN FOLLOWED BY SEVEN A. WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE TODAY IS ELECTION DAY, A SPECIAL DAY. AND THERE'S VOTING GOING ON RIGHT NOW HERE IN SOUTHLAKE TOWN HALL UNTIL 7 P.M. WE HAVE AN ITEM THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. SO TO BE MINDFUL OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING HERE IN TOWN SQUARE AND IN AND AROUND TOWN HALL. WE'RE MOVING THE TOUCH MARK ITEMS, WHICH ARE SEVEN B AND SEVEN C TO BEGIN NO EARLIER THAN 08:00. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THINGS A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER. WE'LL TAKE UP SIX A, THEN SEVEN A, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO EXEC SESSION, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND CONTINUE WITH OUR AGENDA. SO I WILL CALL ITEM SIX A, [6.A. Ordinance No. 1304, 2nd Reading, adopting the 2027 Standards of Care for the recreation programs for elementary age children operated by the Community Services Department. PUBLIC HEARING] WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 130 FOR SECOND READING. ADOPTING THE 2027 STANDARDS OF CARE FOR RECREATION PROGRAMS FOR ELEMENTARY AGED CHILDREN OPERATED BY OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. DIRECTOR MILLER IS GOING TO PRESENT THIS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS ITEM SIX A, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL STANDARDS OF CARE ORDINANCE. THE REQUESTED ACTION IS CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE SECOND READING BY FORM OF ORDINANCE 1304. THESE ARE STANDARDS FOR ELEMENTARY AGE RECREATION PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. AND THESE ARE IDENTICAL TO THE 2026 STANDARDS. THESE ARE A REQUIREMENT OF THE TEXAS HUMAN RESOURCES CODE, SECTION 42.041 B 14, AND THE PROVISIONS INCLUDE STAFF RESPONSIBILITIES, PARTICIPANT ENROLLMENT REQUIREMENTS, STAFFING RATIOS, QUALIFICATIONS AND TRAINING FACILITY STANDARDS, HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS, AND MECHANISMS FOR INSPECTION, MONITORING AND ENFORCING THOSE CARE STANDARDS. REGARDING THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, OUR YOUTH PROGRAMS ARE OPERATED RECREATIONAL IN NATURE AND ARE NOT LICENSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS AS DAYCARE PROGRAMS, AND THEREFORE, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN EXEMPTION CERTIFICATE FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES. AND ALTHOUGH NOT REQUIRED, WE DO APPLY THESE STANDARDS AS SORT OF OUR BASELINE FOR ALL RELATED PROGRAMING. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING RELATED TO THIS ITEM. PARK BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL IN OCTOBER, FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL AT FIRST READING AND SECOND READING HERE THIS EVENING. AND OF COURSE THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE STRATEGY MAP BY FOCUSING ON THE FOCUS AREAS OF SAFETY AND SECURITY AND PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT AND SERVICE DELIVERY. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MILLER. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM SIX A IS A SECOND READING, SO IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SIX A. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING SIX A SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON. SIX A COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? ALL RIGHT. LET'S TAKE A MOTION ON SIX A YES, MR. MAYOR. MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM SIX, A ORDINANCE NUMBER 1304. SECOND READING ADOPTING THE 2027 STANDARDS CARE FOR THE RECREATION PROGRAMS FOR ELEMENTARY AGED CHILDREN OPERATED BY THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON SIX A. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM SIX A IS APPROVED. NEXT. NEXT WILL GO TO SEVEN A, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER [7.A. Ordinance No. 480-850, ZA26-0046, 1st Reading, Zoning Change and Site Plan for Magnolia Office Park, on property described as Tract 5B06, S. Freeman Survey Abstract No. 525, and located at 501 N. Kimball Avenue. Current Zoning: “AG” Agricultural District. Requested Zoning: “S-P-1” Detailed Site Plan District. Applicant: ClayMoore Engineering, Magnolia Property Company. Property Owner: Ourone LLC. SPIN Neighborhood #4. ] 400 80-850. CASE NUMBER ZA26-0046. FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR MAGNOLIA OFFICE PARK, LOCATED AT 501 NORTH KIMBALL AVENUE. DIRECTOR KILO. THANK YOU MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY YOU IDENTIFIED FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SP ONE DETAILED SITE PLAN DISTRICT WITH UNDERLYING OPEN OFFICE DISTRICT USES. THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. AS MENTIONED, THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL REQUESTED ZONING IS SP ONE DETAILED SITE PLAN. DISTRICT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN PROPOSES FIVE BUILDINGS VARYING IN SIZES. AND THIS IS THE SITE DATA SUMMARY. THE APPLICANT IS ACHIEVING SPIRIT OF THE 65% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THIS BY USE OF PERMEABLE PARKING PAVING SURFACES THAT MEET THE CITY STANDARDS AND TAKING 50% CREDIT FOR THE AREA THAT THOSE CONSUME. THIS IS SITE DATA SUMMARY COMPARISON WITH STANDARD OPEN OFFICE [00:20:06] DISTRICT. AND THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR VARIANCES RELATED TO THE DRIVEWAY SPACING AS WELL AS STACKING DEPTH. MINIMUM SPACING ALONG AN ARTERIAL STREET AND THIS IS A DIVIDED ARTERIAL IS 250FT. AND THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 90FT FROM THE CENTER LINE OF A CROSSING DRIVEWAY AND MEDIAN BREAK. AND SO IT'S FAIRLY FAR INTO THE STACKING OF THE LEFT TURN BAY. HOWEVER, THEY ARE IMPEDED BY A DRAINAGE OPEN DRAINAGE CHANNEL ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS JUST THE WIDTH OF THE LOT. SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR SPACING VARIANCE THERE. ALSO THE, FOR THE DRIVEWAY THEY HAVE A SINGLE DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY. THEY DO PROVIDE FUTURE POINTS OF ACCESS WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THEM THROUGH COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT. BUT GIVEN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THEY'RE REQUIRED 75FT OF STACKING DEBT, AND THEY ARE PROVIDING 50FT. ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS BE PERMITTED TO BE PLATTED INTO INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND THEREFORE ASKING VARIANCES TO STREET FRONTAGE TO ALLOW THOSE LOTS TO FRONT ON A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT. THIS IS THEIR TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THERE'S JUST UNDER 26% EXISTING TREE COVER UNDER A STANDARD ZONING THAT WOULD REQUIRE TYPICALLY A MINIMUM OF 60% TO BE PRESERVED. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE TREES AND AREA TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY FOR CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE ONLY ABLE TO SAVE JUST UNDER 20%. AND THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. ALSO, AS PART OF THE ZONING WITH THE PROPOSED LOT BOUNDARIES, THEY WOULD NOT INCLUDE BUFFER YARDS ALONG THOSE. THEY ALSO ADDRESS SETBACK REDUCTIONS TO ALLOW FOR THOSE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES TO BE SET. THIS BY ITS NATURE WOULD REQUIRE THEY HAVE A CROSS ACCESS. RECIPROCAL PARKING AGREEMENT THAT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY. AND SHOULD ALSO HAVE AN OWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE OF COMMON ELEMENTS WITHIN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED UTILITY PLAN AND INCLUSIVE OF WATER SEWER EXTENSIONS AS WELL AS A UNDER PAVEMENT DETENTION STRUCTURE THAT THEIR STUDY SHOWS IS NEEDED. ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PLAN AND DRAINAGE AREA MAP. AND ON THE RIGHT IS THEIR PROPOSED DRAINAGE AREA PLAN. AND THIS IS THEIR DETAILED STORM DRAIN PLAN. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS. ALL BUILDINGS ARE USING SAME MATERIALS AND SAME DESIGN CONCEPT BETWEEN THE SIX BUILDINGS. AND ALL ARE TWO STORY WITH SOME OF THE BUILDINGS HAVING A PARTIAL SINGLE STORY. AND THAT DESIGN WAS TO COMPLY WITH THE SOUTH SLOPE SET BACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BOUNDARIES TO THE EAST OF THEM. THIS TYPICAL TRASH ENCLOSURE, WHICH WOULD BE A EIGHT FOOT BRICK MASONRY SCREEN WITH SOLID METAL PAINTED GATES AND WOULD MATCH THE BRICK OF THE BUILDING. AND THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS SLOPE SETBACK FOR TWO BUILDINGS, MOST ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE SLOPE. AND FROM THE MOST. EFFECTIVE GRADE ALONG THE BOUNDARY LINE, [00:25:06] THEY'VE EXTENDED A SLOPE TO SHOW THAT NO PART OF THAT BUILDING WOULD ENCROACH ABOVE THE SLOPE SET BACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON THE TWO BUILDINGS. AND THIS IS MATERIAL EXHIBIT. FROM NOTICES SENT WITHIN THE 300 FOOT PERIMETER. WE'VE RECEIVED THREE NOTICES THAT ARE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY, WHICH DOES AFFECT VOTING REQUIREMENTS, GIVEN WE'VE RECEIVED OPPOSITION FROM THOSE OWNERS. CURRENTLY, AS IT STANDS, THE OPPOSITION'S AT APPROXIMATELY 32%, WHICH IF, IF A SECOND READING IS CONDUCTED ON THIS, IT WOULD IMPACT THE VOTE REQUIREMENT OF THE COUNCIL REQUIRING 6 OR 7 COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THAT ZONING TO PASS IT. SO. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ONE, AND THEY DID GRANT THE DRIVEWAY VARIANCES AND VARIANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, BUT THEN DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO BRING A PLAN BACK THAT MET THE 65%. THEIR. THEIR WAY OF ADDRESSING THAT WAS CONVERTING SEVERAL OTHER PARKING SPACES TO THE PERMEABLE PAVERS. AND IN SPIRIT MEETING THAT 65%, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. APPLICANT'S GOT A SHORT PRESENTATION AS WELL IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DENNIS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS AT THIS TIME BEFORE THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION? DIRECTOR KILLOUGH, DID DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEIR PARKING IS GOING TO BE PERVIOUS PAVERS? I DO, YES. AND ACTUALLY HAVE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT AND. TOTAL OF THE PERMEABLE PAVER SERVICE AREAS. JUST THE TOTAL AREA IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 21,000FT². AND. I MAY NOT HAVE QUICK REFERENCE TO HOW, WHAT NUMBER THAT REACHES, HOWEVER, JUST GRAPHICALLY ALL THOSE SPACES WITH THE BRICK APPEARANCE HATCHING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. PERMEABLE. THE ONES THAT LOOK KIND OF GRAYED OUT ARE ALL THOSE PAVERS. SO IT'S REALLY THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THEIR PARKING. LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ADDRESSED THIS AND I WAS LOOKING DOWN. DID YOU BRING UP THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER? YES. AND THIS THIS IS ACTUALLY A LANDSCAPE AREA ON THE WEST BOUNDARY. AN EARLIER ONE OF THEIR FIRST VERSIONS OF THE PLAN DID HAVE THE TRASH. ENCLOSURE HERE, AND THEY RELOCATED THAT AND CONVERTED IT TO A LANDSCAPE AREA. AND THE LABELING ALONG THAT BOUNDARY IS ACTUALLY FOR THE EIGHT FOOT PROPOSED SCREENING WALL MASONRY WALL THAT WOULD SEPARATE THE COMMERCIAL BOUNDARY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY. SO IT'S A FULL SCREENING WALL ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY AND NOT A TRASH ENCLOSURE IN THIS LOCATION THAT'S GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING? YES. WHAT IS LANDSCAPE ISLAND? NOW AND THEN. UNDER OUR UNDER OUR ORDINANCE. I REALIZE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM BUFFER YARDS. BUT DON'T WE REQUIRE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS OR IS THAT IN THE PARKING AREAS? YES IT DOES. AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPACES OUT THROUGHOUT THE, THE SITE. AND SO I BELIEVE THEY HAVE MET, MET THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. YES SIR. THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. YES SIR. MAYBE THERE'S, MAYBE THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN IN HERE I MISS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE WELCOME. ON THE ON THIS PAGE, ON THIS CHART THAT WE HAVE THE. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, ON YOUR PERMEABLE PAVER CREDIT, THAT IMPERMEABLE SQUARE FOOT NEED A 50% CREDIT OF 20,000 376, BUT WE GOT PER SQUARE FOOT PROVIDED. 213 90. [00:30:03] SO IS IT ACTUALLY 42? 780. 42. SEVEN 42,000FT² OF OF OF PERMEABLE PAVERS THAT THEY HAVE OR IS IT ACTUALLY 21, 390. YEAH. I'M SORRY I MISSED MISSTATED. YEAH. IT IS ACTUALLY THE, THE 20,000. AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING 50% CREDIT OF THAT I BELIEVE. SO THE 20,000 376. SO. RIGHT. SO THE SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY THOSE ARE 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OF PARKING SPOTS THEN. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. SO SO THEY ACTUALLY ARE COVERING OVER 40,000FT² OF PAVEMENT. OR IS IT ACTUALLY 21,000. WE NEED TO DIVIDE THAT BY TWO I BELIEVE, AND I'LL GET THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY THAT. BUT I BELIEVE THE TOTAL IS 20,000 376, AND THEY'RE ONLY TAKING HALF OF THAT CREDIT FOR IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT TEN, 188 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT VERIFY THEIR NUMBER THAT WE'RE INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN CHECK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE SPLIT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. APPLICANT WANT TO COME FORWARD. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, I THINK YOU HAD A LINK TO YOUR OWN PRESENTATION. I DO CLAY CHRISTIE CLAYMORE ENGINEERING 2323231 HARWOOD ROAD IN BEDFORD. I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT WHILE WE HAVE THIS RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE MR. TAGGART AND MR. FOX BOTH HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON IT. SO IF YOU TAKE OUR TOTAL IMPERVIOUS AREA X, INCLUDING THE PERVIOUS PAVERS THAT WE HAVE THERE, WE'RE AT 112,000 AND CHANGE TOTAL PERVIOUSNESS ON THE SITE, WHICH IS ABOUT 71%. SO FROM 65 TO 71, THAT WAS ABOUT 6% THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THAT DOWN AND OUR ALLOWABLE TO GET TO 65% IS 102,000. SO WE HAD TO GET CREDIT FOR 10,000FT² OF IMPERVIOUS. SO WE PUT IN 20,000FT² OF PERMEABLE PAVER AREA ON THERE. DIVIDE THAT BY TWO. THAT'S 10,000. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE DIFFERENCE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. SO AND THAT'S ABOUT I KNOW YOU WERE ASKING FOR A PERCENTAGE TOTAL OF OUR PERVIOUS COVERAGE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS ABOUT 18% IS WHAT WE HAVE THERE. 18% OF YOUR PARKING SPOTS ARE PERVIOUS OF THE OF THE ALL THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS. IT'S ABOUT 18% BECAUSE WE HAVE 112,000 TOTAL AND WE HAVE 20,000 OF. I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY PARKING PLACES YOU'VE CONVERTED. I HAD THAT NUMBER FOR YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE EXACT SPACES THERE. I CAN HAVE THAT PREPARED FOR YOU, THOUGH, WHENEVER WE CONTINUE ON. SO AND DENNIS, AS ALWAYS, DID A GREAT JOB ON THE PRESENTATION AND KIND OF TOOK A LOT OF MY THUNDER AS HE NORMALLY DOES. SO. OH, THERE WAS A LINK THERE SOMEWHERE. SORRY, GUYS. DO WHAT? RIGHT OR LEFT? KEEP MOVING FORWARD. RIGHT THERE. BOTTOM RIGHT. ONE SLIDE BACK UP. OH, THERE IT IS. IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT. THERE WE GO. SORRY. SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT KIMBALL PARK. AS I SAID, DENNIS DID A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING HERE ON THE PROJECT, SO I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT. THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE. WE HAVE KIND OF ONE GENERAL OFFICES, WHAT OUR USE IS. WE'RE JUST UNDER FOUR ACRES AS AS DENNIS MENTIONED, AND HE WENT OVER THE LOCATION AND THE LAND USE PLAN HERE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE KIND OF A BUFFER BETWEEN YOUR KIND OF HEAVIER, YOU KNOW, HIGH DENSITY TYPE OFFICE THAT YOU HAVE THERE. THEN YOU'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY ON THE EAST SIDE OF US ON KIMBALL, AND WE HAVE THE CHURCH TO THE NORTH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF US WHENEVER THAT GOES IN. AND REDEVELOPS JUST SHORT OF 114. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BLOWN UP AREA OF OUR SITE PLAN. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY. SO ON THE PREVIOUS PAVERS, WE DID TRY TO BE SELECTIVE ON WHERE WE PUT THAT. AND WE KIND OF HAVE THE MAIN SPINE ROAD THAT GOES IN BETWEEN ALL THE BUILDINGS. AND SO WE TRY TO LOCATE THAT PERVIOUS PAVER IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS THERE SO THAT WE COULD GET THAT COVERAGE AND HAVE A NICE ENTRYWAY AND ENTRY FEATURE, TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT AS MORE OF AN AMENITY AND KIND OF DRESS IT UP THAN JUST TRYING TO, PER SE, HIDE IT IN THE BACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE DID KIND OF WANT IT TO LOOK SOMETHING NICE, UPON OUR ENTRY IN OUR NEW AS DENNIS HAD SHOWN THIS AS WELL, THIS WAS KIND OF A RENDERING OF WHAT WE PRESENT AND WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IT TO LOOK LIKE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. FOR OUR PROJECT AND THE ELEVATIONS HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DRESSED UP ELEVATIONS OF A LITTLE BIT MORE RENDERED FROM JUST [00:35:09] THE COLOR FLAT TYPE ELEVATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. OUR MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY STANDARD EXTERIOR WITH OUR BRICK STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. SO WE HAVE PROPOSED AND THEN WE HAVE OUR DARK METAL TRIM AND WINDOWS THAT ARE ALONG THERE. AS DENNIS MENTIONED, WE DID TRY TO KEEP IN PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND TAKE INTO EFFECT THAT, THAT HEIGHT, PROXIMITY SLOPE THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND. AND SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT EXCEED THAT AND GO FROM THERE. AND THEN I BELIEVE MR. FOX WAS ASKING ABOUT OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE REALLY HAVE TRIED TO, TRY TO LANDSCAPE THIS AND DRESS IT ALL UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN AROUND ALL THE BUILDINGS, AND PARTICULARLY PUT SOME HEAVY LANDSCAPING AND TREES AND SHRUBS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALONG THE FRONT, MORE ALONG FOR AN ENTRY TYPE FEATURE COMING IN THERE, AS WELL AS OUR PERIMETER LANDSCAPING. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT ALL SO WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DISCUSSION. YOU GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR ME. ABSOLUTELY. YOU GOT THE MOUSE WORKING, RIGHT? YES, SIR. CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHERE THE OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE PARKING. NOT THE ISLANDS IN THE. THEY'RE BUILT INTO THE PARKING LANE. SURE. SO WE HAVE LAND. SO WE HAVE RIGHT HERE. I'LL JUST START AT THE TOP IF YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE. SO WE HAVE OUR LANDSCAPE ISLAND HERE AND THEN WE COME OVER, WE'VE GOT OUR LANDSCAPE ISLAND, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME TREES. WE HAVE THEM HERE. WE HAVE THEM ALONG THE CORNERS THAT WE HAVE HERE. WE HAVE TWO ALONG THE MIDDLES OF EACH ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS. HERE WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE ALONG THE MIDDLE THERE. AND AMONG THOSE BUILDINGS TO BREAK THAT UP, MR. FOX AND I WENT FAST. SO DIRECTOR KILO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. HOW MANY SPACES ARE YOU ALLOWED TO HAVE IN A ROW WITHOUT PUTTING IN A LANDSCAPE ISLAND? IT'S, IT'S NOT A HARD WRITTEN NUMBER. IT'S A, IT'S A TOTAL AREA PER PARKING SPACE. AND IT VARIES BASED ON HOW THE PARKING IS ARRANGED ON THE SITE. AND WE TYPICALLY TRY TO HAVE THEM WHERE POSSIBLE, PLACE AND SIZE THOSE IF THEY CAN PRESERVE A TREE IN IT. SO THE SIZE CAN BE VARIABLE. TYPICALLY THE MINIMUM SIZE IS EQUAL TO A PARKING SPACE SIZE OR CAN BE LARGER. YEAH. FOR SOME REASON I WAS THINKING WE HAD LIKE AN EVERY 8 OR 10 SPACES YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO HAVE A PRECISE FORMULA. I MEAN, WE TYPICALLY RECOMMEND THERE NOT BE A LONG ROW WITHOUT A BREAK SOMEWHERE OF PROPORTION AND AND JUST COUNCIL MEMBER FOX JUST ROUGH CALCULATING HOW MANY PERMEABLE SPACES THERE MIGHT BE. IT'S ABOUT 125 PLUS, PLUS OR MINUS OF THE 192 PARKING SPACES. SO 125 OUT OF 192 ARE PERMEABLE PAVERS. OKAY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST TO ADD TO MR. CARLOS, DIRECTOR CARLOS INFORMATION ON THOSE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. ALL OUR LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO MEET THE 13 FOOT MINIMUM DIMENSION BY THE CITY. ALL OF THEM DO HAVE TREES IN THEM EXCEPT FOR ONE. AND THAT IS THIS LANDSCAPE ISLAND RIGHT HERE. AND THAT IS DUE TO THE THE ELECTRIC FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THAT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS, HAS TREES IN IT AND LOCATED UP THERE. THERE'S SOME VERY TALL TRANSMISSION THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE IN THAT AREA. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR FUTURE NEIGHBORS, THE SAINT LAWRENCE CHURCH. WE. WE DID. WE'VE. SO WE'VE TALKED WITH THE CHURCH AND WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM AND HAD DISCUSSIONS. AND TO OUR KNOWLEDGE ON EVERYTHING ELSE THERE, WE'VE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO WHERE THAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING. I KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF US THAT WERE INITIALLY IN OPPOSITION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH OF THEM. WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR PLANS ON BOTH OF THEM. ONE OF THEM TO THE EAST WANTED US TO REMOVE SOME WINDOWS AND SOME THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHICH WE ARE OUT THERE. THE SECOND ONE THAT WE HAVE IS KIND OF IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. AND WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT UP. THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESS ROAD, AND I'LL GO BACK TO OUR SITE PLAN JUST A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. SO WE HAD JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT FUTURE ACCESS TO THE SOUTH RIGHT THERE. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DRIVE RIGHT HERE AND THAT FUTURE RIGHT THERE. WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR, TO EXTEND THAT SCREEN WALL AND CLOSE THAT OFF, SINCE THAT DOES GO ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. AND WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND KEEPING THAT AS RESIDENTIAL RESIDENCE THERE. SO THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT WE WERE GOING TO BRING UP IS THAT WE WOULD, AND WE CAN HAVE THIS ALL UPDATED IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD TO EXTEND THAT SCREEN WALL AND PREVENT THAT FROM BEING A FUTURE EXTENSION, [00:40:05] WE STILL DO HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER GETS DEVELOPED THERE TO THE SOUTH RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AS WELL. SO GOING BACK TO THE CHURCH, THE THREE TOPICS THAT I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL DISCUSSED WERE THE DRAINAGE BOTH AS IT WILL RUN TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY AND THEN THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL FURTHER ALONG. CAN YOU MAYBE DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE PLAN ON YOUR PROPERTY AND WHAT CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH THE CHURCH ON THE DRAINAGE ISSUE? AND THEN WE'LL HIT THE DUMPSTER AND THEN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND CROSS ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL GO BACK BECAUSE DENNIS HAS HAS THAT SLIDE INCLUDED IN RIGHT HERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF, OF OFF SITE JUST GENERAL SHEET FLOW. I MEAN, THIS IS ALL VERY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LARGE LARGE UNDEVELOPED AREA. SO A LOT OF THAT'S THERE. SO CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SCREEN, A LOT OF IT JUST ALL SHEET FLOWS ONTO THE SITE. AND THEN THERE IS A LITTLE RIDGE ON OUR SITE, A SMALL PORTION THAT DRAINS DOWN AND DRAINS THROUGH THE CHURCH PARKING LOT VIA SURFACE FLOW. AND THEN THE REST OF IT DRAINS DIRECTLY TO THE CREEK. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT IS GOING TO DRAIN ONTO THE CHURCH. AND REALLY IT'S JUST KIND OF TAKING IT A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE IT DRAINS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OF THE CHURCH AND THEN GOES INTO THE CREEK, IS HOW THAT KIND OF GOES. SO IT DRAINS THROUGH THEM AND THEN OVER INTO THE CREEK. AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WHEN WE GO IN, WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED ATTENTION THAT YOU SEE OVER THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UNDERGROUND ATTENTION THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED THERE. WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT THAT. AND THEN INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, JUST CONTINUING AND DISCHARGING ONTO THEM. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT STRAIGHT TO THE CREEK SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM AND THEN GO RIGHT BACK INTO THE CREEK AS WELL. AND SO THAT SHOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, THAT DRAINAGE SIDE OF THINGS THAT THAT ARE GOING THERE. AND THEN ON THE DUMPSTER, I THINK EITHER YOU OR DENNIS MAY HAVE ADDRESSED THIS. THERE WAS A PLAN TO HAVE THE DUMPSTER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY CLOSE TO THE CHURCH ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE. BUT HAS THAT BEEN MOVED? THE NORTHEAST CORNER? YES, SIR. SO IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WE ORIGINALLY HAD A DUMPSTER THERE, AND I'LL TAKE BLAME FOR THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER THAN THAT, BECAUSE THERE WAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST OF US. AND SO WE'VE RELOCATED THOSE BACK MORE TOWARDS THE INTERIOR PORTIONS OF THE SITE, ONES ON THE NORTH AND ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OVER THERE, BUT ON THE INTERIOR SIDE, AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCES. YES. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CHURCH TO USE THE NEW PARKING LOT, YOUR PARKING LOT, ON CERTAIN SUNDAYS OR HOLIDAYS. YOU KNOW, WHEN THE OFFICE PARKING IS NOT BEING USED AND THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SOME CROSS ACCESS WHERE YOU GUYS COULD USE THEIR PARKING IF NEEDED FOR SOME SORT OF SPECIAL EVENT. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH THE PARKING AND THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS? SO THAT WAS THAT WAS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT LIKE A HARD FAST OF SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CUT THROUGH OR CROSS THROUGH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO THAT EXTENT. BUT I KNOW THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. I MEAN, IF WE COME IN HERE, WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH EVERYBODY THERE. THAT'S OUR OUR GOAL AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. AND SO THAT IS THAT WILL BE THAT CONTINUED DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, I THINK THE INTENT IS JUST TO PROVIDE A GATE. YOU KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOME LIKE ACCESS LIKE CEMENT AND ALL THAT JAZZ. IT'S JUST A GATE. SO. WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE'RE ON THAT SIDE. ON THE NORTH SIDE. THERE'S NOT A REQUIRED FENCING ON THE BUFFER THERE. THE REQUIRED MASONRY WALLS ON THE EAST. AND THEN THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER RIGHT THERE. SO I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIKE A FENCE OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THERE UNLESS THE CHURCH SORRY, I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT UNLESS THEY HAVE ONE ON THEIR NORTHERN SIDE, THEN WE'D HAVE TO COORDINATE ON THEM. AND IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A GATE PUT IN. BUT ON OUR ON OUR SIDE WE DO NOT HAVE LIKE A THERE'S NOT A SCREENING FENCE, THERE'S LANDSCAPING THERE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO KIND OF COORDINATE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING TO CUT THROUGH SHRUBS AND BUSHES TO TRY TO GET ACROSS THE PART, YOU KNOW, GET ACROSS THERE. BUT BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT OF THAT TYPE OF THING, WE'RE NOT PROJECTING TO HAVE ANY LIKE PHYSICAL BARRIER THERE OTHER THAN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. OKAY. AND THEN TO ALSO PIGGYBACK ON THE DUMPSTER THING I OBVIOUSLY, I LIKE THAT IT'S NOT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL. SO I LIKE THAT YOU MOVED IT FURTHER. INTERIOR. I LOVE THE CHURCH'S PERSPECTIVE ON THAT RELATIVE. LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT AN AERIAL, IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE CHURCH ITSELF. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DESIRE FOR IT TO BE KIND OF IN BETWEEN. SO ANYWAY, WHEN I'M SURE THEY'LL COME UP AND SPEAK, BUT I'M CURIOUS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. SO BACK ON DRAINAGE, LOOKING AT THIS REAL QUICK HERE. YES, SIR. I APPRECIATE THE UNDERGROUND RETENTION SYSTEM, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD DISAPPEAR RECENTLY. THE ON LOOKING AT THE CALCULATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT ON BETWEEN THE TWO AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE TELL ME IF I'M READING THIS INCORRECTLY HERE, BUT YOUR, YOUR 100 YEAR FLOW IS RUNNING 88.11 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND CFS. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER, BUT YOUR POST CONSTRUCTION IS 96.98. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THOSE ADD UP TO. THERE'S NO TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM. SO WE'RE ONLY INCREASING A 100 YEAR RUNOFF BY EIGHT CFS. [00:45:07] THERE SHOULDN'T BE. NO, SIR. SO AND THAT WILL BE PART WHENEVER WE WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SORRY, MY EYES AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO PULL UP THE EXACT NUMBERS ON THAT. IS THAT FROM OUR DEVELOP FLOW OF WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT OUR PRE TO POST FLOW IS GOING TO BE THE SAME. THE DIFFERENCE THAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, MR. TAGGART, IS THAT? WELL, EVERYTHING THAT IS THE THE TOTAL FLOW THAT'S OVER THERE TO THE WESTERN SIDE. WE HAVE OUR SMALL PORTION THAT DRAINS UP TO THE CHURCH. AND SO THAT FLOW THEN WILL NOW GO INTO THE CREEK WHERE IT'S THERE. BUT WE WILL HAVE A NET ZERO INCREASE IN RUNOFF FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT WHENEVER THAT COMES THROUGH. WELL, I MEAN, JUST I'M JUST LOOKING AT THESE, I KNOW THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN YOU'LL GET THROUGH ENGINEERING THAT APPROVED THE. BUT JUST LOOK AT THESE TOTAL NUMBERS FROM THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. EVEN THE EVEN YOUR ONE YEAR IS HIGHER THAN YOUR, THE TOTAL FLOW IS GOING TO BE THAT. AND THEN YOU DETAIN THE WATER INSIDE THE DETENTION SYSTEM, AND THEN YOUR ACTUAL RELEASE RATE THAT COMES OUT THAT WILL GO INTO THE CREEK WILL BE THE SAME AS WHAT WAS THERE FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO AND I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT TO CLARIFY ALL THAT FOR YOU. WHENEVER WE IF IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO COME BACK ON ON SECOND READING. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? ONE MORE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. DID YOU HAVE TWO ACCESS EASEMENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE? AND YOU'RE ELIMINATING ONE OF THEM OR YOU'RE ELIMINATING ACCESS TO THE SOUTH COMPLETELY? NO. THERE WILL STILL BE ACCESS TO THE. LET ME GO BACK TO THIS SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE. SO THE THE GENERAL ACCESS THAT IS THERE TO THE SOUTH, THAT IS IN BETWEEN BUILDINGS TWO AND FIVE. THAT RIGHT THERE WILL REMAIN AS THERE. AND THEN WE PROPOSE TO EXTEND THE SCREEN WALL ON THAT SOUTHEASTERN CORNER WHERE IT ABUTS UP TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE, MAYBE THIS WAS ASKED A LITTLE WHILE AGO WHEN I WAS ADDING THESE THINGS UP. SO THE, THE AREA BETWEEN 2 AND 5, IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? I BELIEVE IN PNC. THIS WAS DISCUSSED AS WELL BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL PERMEABLE SURFACE IF YOU WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THOSE PARKING SPOTS. SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN, MR. TAGGART. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS DISCUSSED WHILE I WAS ADDING THIS STUFF UP. SO THE. SO THE PARKING AREA BETWEEN BUILDINGS TWO AND FIVE. IS THAT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY IN THAT AREA OR CAN YOU ELIMINATE THAT SO THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE CLOSING THAT AREA OFF, ALLOWING MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE. WELL, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ELIMINATE OUR CROSS ACCESS. THAT WOULD GO TO THE SOUTH IF WE ELIMINATED THAT DRIVE. RIGHT. AND IS THAT NEEDED? YES, SIR. SORRY, I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION AT THAT POINT. THAT'S OKAY. AND AND ALSO EVENTUALLY THAT IS WE HAVE THAT SET UP TO BE A FIRE LANE IN A FUTURE FIRE LANE EXTENSION TO THE SOUTH. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THE SITE CONSTRAINTS AND WE WORKED VERY HEAVILY WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL ON THIS ONE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I DID PROMISE HIM, WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DO TECHNICALLY MEET THE CODE, WE DO REALIZE THAT IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE ANOTHER FUTURE ACCESS POINT. AND SO WE'RE PROVIDING THAT TO THE SOUTH, TO WHERE HOPEFULLY THAT'LL GET CONNECTED IN FOR EVERYBODY. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT TEXAS IS YOU CAN GO TO VIRTUALLY ANY PARKING LOT AND CONTINUE ON THROUGH EVERY PARKING LOT. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR TREE PRESERVATION? YES, MA'AM. ARE YOU STILL AT 19.7%? AND I'VE SEEN THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED AT PNC OF SOME OF THE BAD TREES. BUT I ALSO KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD TREES ON THERE. I'M NOT SURE THAT PICTURE WAS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WHOLE AREA. SO THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE IS WHAT WE JUST WENT OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. RIGHT NOW OUR TREE PRESERVATION. YES, MA'AM. LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ON THE PRESERVATION OF IT ALL. WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A CHALLENGE ON PRESERVING PARTICULARLY TREES ON THE EASTERN SIDE WITH THE DRAINAGE, TRYING TO HELP IMPROVE WHAT'S ON THE CHURCH'S SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, TRYING TO GET THAT WATER TO FLOW ESSENTIALLY WHERE IT NORMALLY DRAINS NORTH AND GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE CHURCH'S PARKING LOT, CHANGING THAT DIRECTION AND CHANGING THAT FLOW TO GO OVER TO THE WESTERN, THAT NORTHWESTERN CORNER AND INTO INTO THE CREEK AREA PRESENTS A PRETTY BIG CHALLENGE THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF HAVING TO MOVE THE DIRT UP TO BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK OVER TO THE WESTERN SIDE. AND SO WHERE SOME OF THOSE TREES AND WHERE SOME OF THAT STUFF IS OVER THERE. UNFORTUNATELY MAKES THAT KIND OF TOUGH BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO ADJUST THOSE GRADES. IF YOU ADJUST THE GRADES, IT KILLS THE TREES. AND WE ARE TRYING TO COME BACK IN AND, AND HEAVILY PLANT THIS AREA. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS DEVELOPER WORKED WITH HIM 20 PLUS YEARS THAT THEY BUILD WHENEVER THEY BUILD THESE THINGS, THEIR LANDSCAPE AND THEIR, THEIR EYE APPEAL FOR THIS IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THEM. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO OVER PLANT, KEEP IT THERE, TRYING TO MITIGATE AND WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE WHAT WE CAN, BUT WE ARE LIMITED. WE ARE SAVING ONE VERY, VERY LARGE TREE, PARTICULARLY UP THERE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OVER THERE BY THE CREEK, [00:50:01] TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING AWAY FROM IT, GIVE IT PLENTY OF ROOM TO STAY HEALTHY, AND THEN A COUPLE MORE BIGGER TREES OVER ON THE WESTERN SIDE WHERE OUR BUILDINGS ARE SET BACK. I THINK WE HAVE A, A 30 FOOT FRONT YARD THAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE. AND OUR, ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS IS ABOUT 92FT SETBACK, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS 90 OR SO FEET SETBACK FROM THAT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THE BIG, BIG REASONING BEHIND THAT IS US TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE ALONG KIMBALL AND TRYING TO PRESERVE. WELL, I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI HAD FOCUSED ON THIS AT CORRIDOR WITH REGARDS TO THE DRAINAGE AND THE TREE PRESERVATION. SO BUT SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, THE REQUIREMENT, I BELIEVE, IS 60% TREE PRESERVATION, A MINIMUM OF 60%. AND WE DO THAT OBVIOUSLY, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE THE OLD TREES THAT ARE THERE AND THE TREES IN THE CITY. SO I MEAN, 19%, 19.7% IS PRETTY LOW TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO FIT THIS ON THAT PROPERTY. CORRECT. IN, IN ORDER TO HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE DRAINAGE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE THERE. AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TRIED TO FOCUS AND MOVE OUR DEVELOPMENT TO THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN THOSE ONES ALONG THE FRONTAGE, AND THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE LARGER AND THOSE OLDER, ESTABLISHED TREES THAT ARE IN THE BACK. UNFORTUNATELY, THE FUNCTION OF THAT DOES CONSTITUTE THE REMOVAL OF THOSE TREES. AND I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH ON TRYING TO DO. WE'VE, WE'VE PROBABLY DONE 7 OR 8 DIFFERENT DRAINAGE OPTIONS AND TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND TRYING TO ALLEVIATE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP IN MIND OF WHAT THE GRADES AND WHERE EVERYTHING IS FOR THE RESIDENCES OVER TO THE EASTERN SIDE. AND IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING SITE TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT AND STILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE AND DEVELOP ON THAT SITE. BECAUSE EVEN IF WE CUT THE CHALLENGES, EVEN IF WE CUT LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ON THAT EASTERN SIDE, WHERE WHERE THERE'S TREES AND WE'VE TRIED TO DO IT IN LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THAT DRAINAGE FACILITY AND TRY TO GET THAT DRAINAGE FACILITY ALL INTO THAT DETENTION AND MOVE IT OVER TO THE WEST AND GET IT INTO THE CREEK, THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE GRADE CHANGES THAT WOULD THAT WOULD DO THAT. THIS ISN'T A SITUATION WHERE I CAN SAY, OH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE TREES AND FIVE PARKING SPACES, OR THAT WE'VE GOT IN TEN PARKING SPACES OR AROUND THERE THAT WE CAN TRY TO CUT OUT AND PRESERVE. IF YOU DID, WHAT YOU'D WIND UP HAVING IS TREES WAY DOWN IN A HOLE, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR PARKING HERE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET GOING THE OTHER WAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO BUT WE, WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO BE COGNIZANT OF, OF WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN PRESERVE. WE'RE PUTTING IN SOME RETAINING WALLS, TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OTHER ONES AND TRYING TO, TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING AT THE FRONT THAT WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? YEP. CLAY ACTUALLY HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TRANSITION SORT OF BUFFER ZONE, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS. SF ONE A TO THE EAST. SO I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS, ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE TWO STORY TALL. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE THOSE ONE STORIES. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE STEP DOWN BY READING A LOT OF THE RESIDENT COMMENTS. A LOT OF IT WAS TIED TO, HEY, WE'RE OKAY WITH OFFICE SPACE, SOME OF THAT BUFFER ZONE GARDEN OFFICES, BUT TWO STORY ISN'T REALLY A BUFFER TO THEM. SO WE'VE EVALUATED IT THERE AND WE'VE GONE IN AND WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT STEP BACK. I MEAN, WE WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE GOING. I MEAN, ACROSS THE STREET, WE'RE FOUR STORIES, SIX STORIES TALL. THE PARKING GARAGE IS BIG. HEAVY IS WHAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. STEPPING DOWN TO TWO STORIES, STEPPING DOWN TO ONE STORY ON OUR SIDE AND THEN STEPPING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL. SO WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT OF OF WHAT WE CAN WITH WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YES, SIR. GOTCHA. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, I GUESS, FOR THE BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE, THE TWO BUILDINGS THERE, TO BE THE SINGLE STORY INSTEAD, INSTEAD OF THE TWO WITH THE ONE STEP DOWN AS WELL? I CAN LOOK AT THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S A THAT'S A PRETTY BIG ASK FOR A REDUCTION IN JUST WHAT YOU HAVE THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THAT AND, AND BEING ABLE TO KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEADS WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF WHAT WE DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD OR WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD COMMIT TO THAT RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE DONE FOR NOW. I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A FIRST READING DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEVEN A. WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. BUT FIRST I'M GOING TO ASK THERE'S REPRESENTATIVES FROM SAINT LAWRENCE CHURCH HERE IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO COME. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO COME FORWARD. WE CAN TALK ABOUT I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. LOOKS LIKE THE DUMPSTER HAS BEEN MOVED. AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MAYBE GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE DRAINAGE AND DUMPSTER. I THINK THE LAST THING THAT'S PROBABLY UP IN THE AIR IS THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THEIR PARKING LOT TO THE CHURCH. SO GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. MY NAME IS JOHN JORDAN. [00:55:05] I AM A SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT. I LIVE AT 1362. BLUE TEAL COURT AND I SERVE AS THE RECTOR OF SAINT LAWRENCE CHURCH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND I'VE SERVED THERE SINCE 2009. DO YOU WANT HIM TO IDENTIFY HIMSELF TO YOU? IF HE'S GOING TO TALK. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD EVENING. SHEA KIRKMAN, I'M A GRAPEVINE RESIDENT. 4352 CRESTWOOD COURT. AND I WAS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THE RECENTLY COMPLETED AND AMAZING SAINT LAWRENCE EXPANSION, SO IT IS AMAZING. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. SO WHY DON'T WE TALK THROUGH THOSE THREE ISSUES, THE DRAINAGE, THE DUMPSTER, AND THEN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS? I THINK PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS THE ONE THAT'S SORT OF UNDETERMINED YET. BUT GO AHEAD AND I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS. YEAH. CAN I FIRST SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE COMMON GOOD. WE'RE EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. SO IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING. THE MAYOR HAS CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED THE THREE ISSUES. WE HAD A VERY CORDIAL AND GOOD MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER. WE ARE. WE'RE OKAY WITH OFFICES RIGHT THERE. WE THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. WE DID FLAG THE THREE ITEMS THAT THEN I THEN COMMUNICATED WITH THE NEIGHBOR. WE HAVE THAT DRAINAGE CHANNEL GOING RIGHT BY OUR CHURCH, RIGHT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT GETS THROUGH THERE. AS I SAY, I'VE SERVED AT SAINT LAWRENCE SINCE 2009, AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GOES THROUGH THERE NOW IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT USED TO GO THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION FOR US AND SOMETHING THAT WE FLAGGED AS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE DEVELOPER. THE SECOND ISSUE THAT WE FLAGGED WAS THE DUMPSTER. AND IF YOU LOOK RIGHT IN THE NORTH SIDE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SITE IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING A DUMPSTER THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO WHERE OUR ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS. AND WHAT WE ASK THEM TO CONSIDER WAS, WAS THERE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SITE. PLACE ON THEIR SITE FOR FOR THAT PARTICULAR DUMPSTER. THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS SOME TYPE OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. WHAT THEY DESCRIBED TO US WAS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE KIND OF LANDSCAPING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THEIR SITE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR SITE, WHICH IS FINE. WE DON'T, WE DON'T WE DIDN'T ASK THEM FOR A FENCE. WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DESIRE ONE. BUT WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS SOME TYPE OF PATH, SOME TYPE OF WALKWAY BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, SOME TYPE OF BREAK IN THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING. SO THAT AS THE MAYOR IDENTIFIED, IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHRISTMAS EVE AND THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR CHURCH, BUT AT OUR CHURCH, A LOT MORE PEOPLE GO TO CHURCH ON CHRISTMAS EVE THAN THEY DO ON AN AVERAGE SUNDAY. AND SO JUST THE IDEA OF OVERFLOW PARKING ON CERTAIN HOLIDAYS WHERE PEOPLE COULD PARK IN THOSE SPACES AND THEN ACCESS OUR SITE BY SOME TYPE OF IT, WHATEVER TYPE OF WALKWAY WOULD MAKE SENSE. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CONCERNS THAT WE BROUGHT TO THEM. AND OF COURSE, WE BRING THEM TO YOU AND TRUST Y'ALL'S WISDOM ON THESE MATTERS. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST CONFIRMING THAT'S A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY OF SOME SORT, NOT ANYTHING DRIVING FROM ONE PARKING LOT TO THE OTHER. THAT IS CORRECT, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? GO AHEAD. YEAH, JUST NUTS AND BOLTS, REALLY. BESIDES BEING A ZONING CASE, SINCE THIS IS SP1, YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE PARTICULARS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY HEALTHY. WHEN I SEE THE SITE PLAN, THE SP1 CALLS OUT A FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. SO OBVIOUSLY WE SEE THAT MIGHT BE A CHALLENGE. SO WE, WE ARE ASKING FOR A COMMITMENT FROM THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AT GRADE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A, A CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR FOLKS TO CROSS THAT BARRIER. BUT AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE ENTIRE NORTH BOUNDARY, BUT SINCE IT'S CALLED OUT ON THE APPLICANT SITE PLAN. WE DID JUST WANT TO TRY TO GET SOME SPECIFICS THERE. SO IF WE COULD HAVE JUST SOME SORT OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WE LOVE THE LANDSCAPING AS A BUFFER. WE DO NOT HAVE, OTHER THAN JUST AN OLD BARBED WIRE FENCE. THROUGH SOME OF THAT, WE HAVE A PRETTY NATURAL SCREEN BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. SO WE APPRECIATE THE LANDSCAPING THERE. AND THEN GOING BACK TO DRAINAGE, JUST NOT TO, NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT IT IS, THERE'S, WE STUDIED THIS CREEK QUITE A BIT WHEN WE DID OUR NEW BRIDGE ON OUR CAMPUS. AND THE FLOWS ARE HAVE INCREASED OVER TIME, BUT SOME OF THE VELOCITY. SO IS THE EROSION. AND I WOULD JUST ASK THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEER AND CLAYMORES, VERY REPUTABLE ENGINEERING FIRM. I TRUST THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS. THEIR SITE PLAN PROPOSES SOME DETENTION AND SOME BYPASS WATER. SO WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO IS TIME THAT SO THAT WE'RE ALL DISCHARGING AT THE SAME TIME AND MAKE MATTERS WORSE. AND I DON'T EXPECT THEY WOULD DO THAT. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM SOMEONE THAT SPENT OVER TEN YEARS WATCHING THIS CREEK AND NOW DESIGNING BRIDGES OVER IT. IT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM ON NOT JUST THE FLOWS, [01:00:03] BUT THE EROSION AND THE THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THAT CHANNEL IS PRETTY CRITICAL. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GUYS FROM SAINT LAWRENCE CHURCH? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. STICK AROUND. WE MAY COME BACK. OH, SORRY. I HAVE WALKED YOUR CHURCH AND NOT DURING CHURCH TIME, BUT WHEN NOBODY'S THERE AND YOU'VE DONE EXTENSIVE WORK ON THAT CREEK IN YOUR PARKING LOT, AND I WOULD. IT'S OBVIOUS YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON IT. AND I'M HOPING THAT ANYTHING THAT WE DO IS NOT GOING TO DAMAGE THE GOOD THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT INTO IT. THERE'S BEEN I HAVE TO JUST LOOK AT IT AND SEE ALL THE EFFORT THAT'S BEEN THERE. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. AND I KNOW IT CANNOT HAVE BEEN INEXPENSIVE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. STICK AROUND. WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT. YES, SIR. WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM SUBMITTED BY CINDY VILLE AT 710 INWARD DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE ON ITEM SEVEN. A DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION TO SEVEN A THE CITY ALSO SENT OUT PUBLIC 21 PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS NEAR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING RESPONSES FROM TEJAS KARNATI AT 426 SHADY LANE IS OPPOSED. MD P SOUTHLAKE LLC AT 2114 EAST STATE HIGHWAY 114 IS OPPOSED. HIREN DAS AT 420 SHADY LANE OPPOSED. SONALY PATEL AT 420. SHADY LANE OPPOSED. GINA GRIFFIN AT 803 POTOMAC PLACE OPPOSED. EMILY MILLER AT 1004 QUAIL RUN ROAD OPPOSED. THOMAS MURPHY AT 704 AND 708. WINDING RIDGE TRAIL IS IN FAVOR. ZDENKA WILCOX AT 1007 SOUTHLAKE HILLS PLACE IS OPPOSED. JEFF MEDICI. 2120 SHANE PARK LANE. OPPOSED. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM SEVEN A OR SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD? YES, SIR. COME ON. FORWARD. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, SIR. YOU YOU KNOW THE DRILL. AS FAR AS STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE THREE MINUTE TIMER. GREEN MEANS GO. YELLOW MEANS ONE MORE MINUTE, AND RED MEANS WRAP IT UP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. DAVID DOW. 2900 HILL CASTLE. SOUTHLAKE. BEEN IN SOUTHLAKE FOR A LOT OF YEARS. JUST ONE COMMENT. TWO COMMENTS ON ONE ITEM. THE NO ADVERSE IMPACT RULE FOR COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THERE SAYS THE AMOUNT OF THE RATE OF RUNOFF AFTER CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT EXCEED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WATER EUROPE MIGHT HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I'M SORRY, I'M HARD OF HEARING. THE WATER IS RUNNING NORTH AND IT COMING ACROSS THIS ACREAGE AND IT'S GETTING ONTO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND AS SOON AS IT GETS ONTO THE PROPERTY, THE NORMAL, NORMAL RUNOFF, THE AGRICULTURAL RUNOFF RATE GETS PUT INTO A FOUR FOOT WIDE CULVERT AND IS TAKEN WEST. OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING IS IF THE WATER FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T REDIRECT THE WATER IS WHAT THE, THE RULE SAYS. SO IN THAT CASE, THERE, ALL THAT WATER IS BEING REDIRECTED. AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE THE RUNOFF NOT EXCEEDING PREDEVELOPMENT TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING, YOU PUT DETENTION PONDS IN OR DETENTION DEVICES. WE HAVE A DETENTION DEVICE IN THIS OPERATION HERE, BUT ABOUT 40% OF THIS PROPERTY, WATER DOES NOT GO INTO THAT DETENTION POND OR SPACE. IT JUST RUNS OFF AT A FASTER RATE THAN IT THAN IT DOES NOW. SO BUILDING ONE AND ALL THE BUILDING ONE, MOST OF BUILDING TWO THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUILDING FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUILDING FIVE. ALL THAT WATER IS NOT GOING INTO THAT DETENTION SYSTEM. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD ANOTHER DETENTION SYSTEM OR A, A BIGGER ONE YOU COULD, MIGHT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. I'LL GET OUT OF YOUR WAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SIR, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ITEM SEVEN A? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. LET'S INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME ON BACK. SO I THINK THE REMAINING TOPICS WE HAD THE TREE PRESERVATION NUMBERS AND ALSO THEN THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM YOUR PROPERTY OF THE CHURCH. I THINK WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. [01:05:01] YOU MIGHT LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR LANDSCAPING ALONG THE NORTH EDGE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK BEING THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AND HAVING THAT CROSS ACCESS FOR PARKING MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO YOU KNOW, IF IT MAKES IT TO SECOND READING, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST ONE. AND YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE THAN ONE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. WHATEVER THE CITY CODE IS FOR THAT MAYBE EIGHT FEET WIDE TO GIVE SOME ACCESS FROM YOUR NEW PARKING LOT TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY. AND I'LL LET YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THAT IS RELATIVE TO THE PARKING SPACES AND THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHURCH IS ASKING FOR IT. SO CHURCH IS GOING TO GET IT. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN REVIEW THROUGH IT AND SEE WHERE BEST IT FITS. ABSOLUTELY. WHAT ABOUT THE TREE PRESERVATION ISSUE ON THE NUMBERS? I THINK IT WAS BELOW 20%. I THINK WAS THE NUMBER. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT NUMBER THEN? COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR WHAT CAN WE DO TO MITIGATE OR REPLACE? SO YEAH, SO ON, ON THAT. I MEAN, I'LL GO BACK THROUGH AND I'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN EITHER A PRESERVE OR EVEN ENHANCE ON SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, TRYING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE PRESENTED ON THE, ON THE PRESERVATION PLAN. WE'VE TRIED TO GO THROUGH THAT IN PRETTY GOOD DEPTH AND DETAIL, BUT LET ME DIG IN ON THAT AND I'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WE CAN PINCH AND, AND TRY TO PULL BACK. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DETENTION THAT WAS PRESENTED THERE AS WELL. SO WHENEVER YOU HAVE RUNOFF THAT GOES THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO DISCHARGE IT BACK TO THE SAME DISCHARGING STREAM, AND YOU CAN'T REDIRECT IT ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CAPTURING THE FLOW THAT FLOWS ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING IT TO THE CREEK, WHICH IS WHERE IT DRAINS IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TO TRY TO MEET THOSE AND MATCH THOSE SAME DRAINAGE PATTERNS. AND THE CHURCH IS QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE QUANTITY AND THE FLOW AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I KNOW MR. TAGGART ALSO DID THAT. I'LL MAKE SURE AND HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT. THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT'S CALLED OVER DETAINING, WHERE YOU HAVE CERTAIN AREAS, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO PROVIDE THAT DETENTION POND ON THAT MAIN ACCESS DRIVE. WE ORIGINALLY HAD TWO DETENTION PONDS THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET PUBLIC SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER IN THERE. AND SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS THAT WE WOULD CAPTURE SOME OF THAT WATER, WHICH IS AT A FLOW RATE, AND THEN WE OVER DETAIN ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AND REDUCE THE FLOWS TO WHERE WHAT THAT IS IN THE EXISTING CONDITION, WE REDUCE THAT FLOW DOWN MUCH MORE. AND WE HAVE A LARGER HOLDING TANK RIGHT THERE TO WHERE YOU OVER DETAIN ON THAT NORTHERN SIDE AND YOU REDUCE THAT FLOW TO WHERE THE NET, THE NET DRAINAGE IS ENTERING INTO THAT CREEK IS IS AT A LESSER VALUE OR EQUAL TO VALUE OF WHAT IS THERE IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. SO WE, I'LL HAVE A BETTER SLIDE JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR FULL INTENTION AND WE DO NOT INTEND TO DISCHARGE MORE WATER THAN WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE. OKAY. YES, SIR. YEAH. NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I DO REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE A, A VISUAL OF, OF IT BEING CAPTURED, SHOWING HOW IT DOES. BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE GRADE CHANGE, IT IS A REALLY DIFFICULT SIGHT. I GET THAT I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT. BUT IT IS A BIG GRADE CHANGE. AND I IMAGINE WHEN IT RAINS REALLY HARD NOW, IT JUST LIKE SHEET FLOWS ACROSS THIS PROPERTY INTO IT AND THEN FUNNELS DOWN THROUGH THE CHURCH AND THESE NEIGHBORS NORTH OF HERE. I KIND OF THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WE APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OVER NEAR OLD UNION, WHERE THE DETENTION IMPROVED THE SITUATION. RIGHT. I THINK YOU WERE WORKING ON THAT. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO IT IMPROVED A BAD SITUATION. I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S THE CASE HERE, THAT MAYBE CAPACITY AND THE FLOW RATE IMPROVES IT BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. NOT JUST RELEASES AT THE SAME. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND I MEAN, PART OF THAT OF WHAT WE DID ON TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION, JUST HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THAT IS TO TRY TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT WATER THAT DOES DIRECTLY. STREET, STREET SHEET FLOWS THROUGH THE CHURCH AND THROUGH THEIR PARKING LOT. WE ARE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE AND, AND GET THAT INTO THE CREEK A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY IS WHAT WE'RE IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO TRY TO HELP FACILITATE THAT. SO THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH WATER RUNOFF GOING THROUGH THEIR PARKING LOT. IF IT'S RAINING ON SUNDAYS WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO WALK TO CHURCH, WE GO TO WHITE'S CHAPEL AND IT'S A BIG SHEET FLOW DOWN THE PARKING LOT. AND MY KIDS LOVE IT BECAUSE THEY LOVE TO JUMP UP AND DOWN AND SPLASH IN THE WATER. BUT IT'S IF WE CAN HELP ALLEVIATE THAT A LITTLE BIT, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND I APPRECIATE THE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND YOUR HONESTY. I LIKE WORKING WITH YOU AND TALKING WITH YOU OUTSIDE OF THIS AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ON THE DRAINAGE SPECIFICALLY THAT WEST SIDE AS WELL. [01:10:04] I'D LIKE TO SEE A BETTER CAPTURE OF THAT WATER EITHER INTO YOUR PROPOSED RETENTION SYSTEM OR EXPANDING THAT LONGER SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THERE ANYWAY. LET'S TRY TO LET'S TRY TO FIX A PROBLEM WHILE WE'RE AT IT. SO TOO MANY TIMES WE SEE THESE AND PEOPLE BLAME THE WATER THAT THEY HAVE OFF OF A PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE IT. WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, AND THERE'S SOME WAY THAT MAYBE POTENTIALLY WE COULD ACTUALLY WORK ON THAT. THE, THE COEFFICIENTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROPOSED, AS WELL AS THE POST-CONSTRUCTION OR THE EXISTING VERSUS PROPOSED ARE ALL ABOVE 0.5, RIGHT? SO AT LEAST WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, LIKE YOUR SECTION A AND YOUR AND YOUR EXISTING IS LIGHTNING IS TERRIBLE, 0.54.51 ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THAT'S ALL GRASSLAND NOW. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO US ACTUALLY FINALLY GETTING OUR SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR WHERE WE CAN HAVE MAYBE A STANDARDIZED WAY OF GIVING IT TO YOU. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS YOU, OBVIOUSLY AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVELOPER, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE. BUT YES, LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN LOOKING AT YOUR PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION, THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALMOST THE SAME. SO TO ME, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I SEE YOU'RE SAYING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IS GOING TO GO OFF AFTER CONSTRUCTION AS IT IS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST NOT TRUE. AFTER CONSTRUCTION, YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE WATER COMING OFF AND I'LL MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR FOR YOU. I'LL, I'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. OUR DEVELOPED SITE IS AT POINT NINE, WHERE WE HAVE OUR CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE'RE USING FULLY DEVELOPED COEFFICIENTS FOR THAT. YOU DO HAVE THE OFF SITE, WHICH IS THE LARGER AREAS THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST OF US THAT DRAIN DOWN AND THROUGH IN THOSE AREAS. THOSE AREAS ARE GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME. SEE VALUE IN THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED BECAUSE THAT'S OFF SITE, THAT'S FOR THEIR. IF THE AREA TO THE SOUTH COMES IN AND WHENEVER THEY DEVELOP AND WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO DOWN THERE, WHENEVER THEY INCREASE, THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME THING OF NOT INCREASING THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT RUNOFF, WHENEVER IT COMES DOWN AND WHENEVER THEY PASS THAT ON TO OUR PROPERTY. YEAH. BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHEN I LOOK AT THESE FOR THE EXISTING PROPERTY, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM, RIGHT? THE NUMBERS WHEN IT'S BASICALLY IF IT'S 0.54 BEFORE AND IT'S GRASS AND IT'S 0.54 AFTERWARDS, THEN WE'RE REALLY SHOWING CALCULATIONS THAT THERE'S NO INCREASE IN THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE RUNOFF. BUT IN REALITY BEFOREHAND IT SHOULD BE LOWER, MEANING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS WATER RUNNING OFF, BUT AFTERWARDS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE. SO I JUST, I JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT BUTTONED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND, YOU KNOW, A GOOD, GOOD OUTLINE OF HOW WE CAN CAPTURE WATER ON THAT WEST SIDE. OKAY. THE, THE EXISTING, THE LARGER DRAINAGE AREAS THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST, THOSE ARE OFF OUR SITE. SO THOSE WOULD NOT CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SORRY, I MAY NOT BE FOLLOWING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT I'LL I WILL DO A DETAILED FOLLOW UP WITH ALL THE NUMBERS FOR YOU AND SHOW HOW IT ALL ADDS UP. SO BECAUSE THOSE AREAS, THOSE BIG, LARGE DRAINAGE AREAS TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST, WHENEVER WE DEVELOP THOSE FLOWS WOULD NOT CHANGE. THEY WOULD STAY AS A POINT. IF WE'RE SAYING 0.54 AND THE EXISTING 2.54 IN THE FUTURE OF WHAT THAT IS RIGHT THERE, THOSE WOULD MEAN THE SAME, THE ONES THAT ARE CHANGING AND THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING THE DETENTION FOR IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE LOCATED ON OUR SITE, WHICH YOU ARE CORRECT, IS MORE GRASS AND THINGS. AND THERE'S THERE'S A LITTLE BIT THERE'S A HOUSE, A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. BUT AS A GENERAL AND WHOLE OR WAFFLE HOUSE, SORRY, BUT AS A GENERAL AND WHOLE, YOU ARE CORRECT. MOST OF IS GOING TO BE IMPERVIOUS. WE'RE CHANGING IT OR IS PERVIOUS, WE'RE CHANGING IT TO IMPERVIOUS. AND THEN IT IS OUR, OUR DUTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE BY THE, BY THE WATER ACT TO DETAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. AND SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ESCAPE THAT OR SHOW, OH, THERE'S ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THE DOWNSTREAM AND THE CREEK AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DETAIN TWO EXISTING CONDITIONS. ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU HAVE SOME HOMEWORK BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING ON THOSE THREE ITEMS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. SO COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF BEFORE WE TAKE UP A MOTION ON FIRST READING? AGAIN, THIS IS FIRST READING. SO HOMEWORK TO BE DONE BEFORE SECOND READING. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR PRO TEM, I DON'T KNOW. GO AHEAD GARY I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU CAN RESPOND TO IT REALLY, BUT KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WANG SAID. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT YOU'RE OVER DEVELOPING THIS SITE, THAT FIVE, THREE, TWO STORY BUILDINGS AND 200, ALMOST 200 PARKING SPOTS ON 3.2 ACRES IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION. IT'S TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL. IT'S I JUST THAT'S MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU I'M ASSUMING YOU CAN'T ADDRESS THAT AS FAR AS MAKING IT ANY BETTER, BUT I ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW WHY I'M, I, I'M HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS, AND I DO THINK THAT THE FACT THAT YOU HAD TO TURN ALL YOUR PARKING INTO PERVIOUS PAVERS, [01:15:03] IMPERVIOUS INTO PERVIOUS PAVERS IS MORE IS A FURTHER ILLUSTRATION OF YOU'RE TRYING TO CRAM TOO MUCH ONTO THE LOT. IN MY MIND, ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA THAT'S GOT TERRIBLE DRAINAGE ISSUES. I MEAN, IF YOU GO DOWN, IF YOU GO DOWNSTREAM FROM HERE AND THE IMPACT IS TREMENDOUS PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR BACKYARDS. WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING SEWER LINES IN THE WATERWAYS. AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT FLOW. SO TO ME, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOO MUCH FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. I WANT I WANT TO SEGUE ON THAT ALSO AND AGREE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M LOST JUST AT THE TREE PRESERVATION AND ITS TREE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING TREES. THAT'S THE CONCERN TO ME. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF LARGE TREES WHICH ALSO HELP WITH DRAINAGE OBVIOUSLY. 19.7 IS JUST WAY TOO LOW. VERSUS THE 60%. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET AROUND THAT OTHER THAN LESS DEVELOPMENT ON ON THE PROPERTY. THEN OF COURSE THERE'S CONCERNS ON THE DRAINAGE. SO ALL THESE THINGS KIND OF ADD UP TO ME THAT IT'S JUST THERE'S TOO MANY VARIANCE REQUESTS. SO BASICALLY TWO, TWO TOO MUCH ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WE ONLY HAVE, WE HAVE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS THERE THOUGH, RIGHT. WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE. AND THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL WITH THE ACCESS. YEAH. I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT AT THIS POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WE HAVE ORDINANCES IN PLACE FOR A REASON. AND ONE OF THEM IS A TREE PRESERVATION, WHICH I FEEL VERY, VERY STRONGLY ABOUT AND HAVE BEEN VERY FIRM ON THAT SINCE I CAME ON CITY COUNCIL. AND 60% IS IS THE MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION, NOT 19.7. SO NOT 59 EITHER. SO TO ME IT'S 60%. NOW IF IT'S JUST BELOW THAT, WE'RE GOING TO PLANT SOME TREES THAT ARE THE SAME TYPE OF TREES AND WE CAN TRY TO GET BACK UP THERE. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HERE. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE PRESERVED. I, I THINK THAT IF YOU GO TO THIS SITE AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND WALK IT AND SEE WHERE THE TREES ARE. OKAY, WELL THEN ALL THE TREES ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY EVER, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE HAVE. I COULD GO TAKE 10,000FT² OUT OF THESE BUILDINGS, AND YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO 60%. WELL, WE HAVE MECHANISMS AROUND WORKING WITH THAT. WITH REGARDS TO THE TREE PRESERVATION FUND THAT WE HAVE AND ADDITIONAL PLANTING SIMILAR TREES TO GET BACK UP TO THAT NUMBER. BUT I NEED TO SEE A BIT MORE OF THAT. OKAY. SO I, I CAN TRY TO WORK AS MUCH AS I CAN, AND I CAN TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER, BUT I WILL BE AS AS YOU SAY, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST LIKE WE HAVE LOOKED AND LOOKED AND LOOKED AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD GET THAT NUMBER AND WORK ON THAT TREE PRESERVATION, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT INTERNALLY WITH US, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE STANDING HERE AND PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS. IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THAT, I DO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK FOR SOMETHING AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH THAT ON THE PRESERVATION FUND OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THERE. SO LET ME DO, I'LL ADD THAT TO MY HOMEWORK LIST AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE. AND THEN AGAIN, MR. FOX, UNDERSTAND THE STANCE AND THE OPINION OF, OF WHERE THAT IS. WE, WE FEEL LIKE GOING FROM ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, BIG TALL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE'RE STEPPING IT DOWN AND THEN WE STEP IT DOWN AGAIN AND THEN WE GO THERE. AS I KIND OF MENTIONED, MR. WANG AS WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN ON THAT. AND I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE. I MEAN, THAT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE DOES HELP WITH THE RUNOFF. SOME. WE'VE WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INTERNALLY WORKING ON I THINK THAT BY THE, BY THE CODE AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO MISSTATE IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE LIKE AN HALF INCH PER HOUR TYPE DEAL ON THE IMPERVIOUS TO QUALIFY WITHIN THAT, WE ARE GOING TO GO. WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO PROPOSE IS LIKE, IT TAKES A IT'S 1000IN PER HOUR. IT REALLY SOAKS THE WATER IN. SO WE ARE TRYING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THAT TO TRY TO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT INFILTRATION. JUST AS A SIDE NOTE FOR YOU TO KNOW. SO WHILE WE ARE. WE'RE TRYING TO USE THAT AS TWOFOLD. ONE, TO HELP WITH THE IMPERVIOUSNESS TWO, TO HELP WITH APPEARANCE BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A NICE PRODUCT THAT WE CAN PUT IN. THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A STONE PAVER, NOT THE, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT NOT LIKE THE GRASS CREEK THAT JUST GOES BARE AND, AND LOOKS HORRIBLE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT ALMOST AS AN AMENITY FOR THE SITE AS, AS WELL INTO THAT. AND SO AGAIN, ALL THINGS THAT I WILL TAKE BACK TO OUR TEAM AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AND PRESENT TO YOU GUYS. AND CAN I ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY A QUESTION? SO SEPARATE FROM THIS PROPERTY, WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION OF A PROPERTY, WHICH I KNOW IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO DISCUSS FOR SECOND READING. AND WE HAD AN UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM THAT WAS AGREED UPON BACK IN 2021, AND IT DISAPPEARED IN 2023 BASED ON AN ENGINEERING REVIEW THAT WAS BROUGHT IN BY THIRD PARTY. HERE WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL THAT IS LOOKING AT THIS, AND WE'RE ALL INCLUDING THE DEVELOPER AGREEING TO PUT IN AN UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM. SO WHAT MECHANISM DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO MAKE THIS REQUIRED THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS CAN JUST MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR IN TWO YEARS AND WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL [01:20:06] SO WE CAN INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE MOTION THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THAT IS A CONDITION FOR THE ZONING. GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. AS THE DEVELOPER, WE. WE ARE FINE WITH THAT AND AGREE TO THAT. JUST A SUGGESTION. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS YOU MIGHT NEED TO THINK ABOUT LOSING ONE OF THE 4 OR 1 OF THE FIVE BUILDINGS. THE MORE OPTIONS, THE BETTER CHANCES YOU HAVE OF GETTING. YES. I DON'T KNOW HOW FIRST READING IS GOING TO GO HERE IN JUST A SECOND, BUT YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTARY, A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS, A LOT OF CRITIQUES, IF YOU WILL. I THINK IF ONE BUILDING IS LOST, THAT ALLEVIATES A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK, IF YOU COME BACK ON SECOND READING, DEPENDING ON HOW THE FIRST READING VOTE GOES HERE IN A MOMENT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER BRINGING AN OPTION THAT HAS ONE LESS BUILDING, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO DECIDE WHICH ONE IT IS. THAT'S ELIMINATED. BUT JUST A THOUGHT. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH IT BEING TOO DENSE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT AS IT SITS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON SEVEN A ON FIRST READING? I THINK IT'S I THINK IT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE SUPPORT UP HERE. SO, I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO VOTE OR DO YOU WANT TO TABLE IT OR YOU WANT TO TABLE IT AND TRY TO COME BACK? I'M JUST READING THE TEA LEAVES. WE HAVE A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE EARLY DECEMBER MEETING. SO YOU HAVE THOSE TWO MEETINGS COMING UP. SO YOU'D HAVE A MONTH IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE DECEMBER MEETING TO MAKE CHANGES. WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE STUFF SUBMITTED FOR THE NEXT MEETING THOUGH? IN ORDER FOR US TO MANAGE THE PAPERWORK ON IT. WE'D WE'D HAVE TO HAVE IT BY END OF BUSINESS TOMORROW. TOMORROW? YES. NOT EVEN FRIDAY. THAT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND. YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT DECEMBER. SO YEAH, I AND AT THAT POINT I I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN WE HAVE OUR HOMEWORK. I KNOW WHAT WE WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THE SECOND READING. I MAY I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CONTRACT WAS BEING FULL, FULL DISCLOSURE ON ON THE THE CONTROL OF THE LAND OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION THERE FOR WHAT WE HAVE. IF IT IF IT FAILS FIRST READING, DOES IT STILL GO TO SECOND READING? AND IT, I MEAN, LIKE THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A TOTALLY REVISED PLAN ON SECOND READING AND THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE A SECOND AND THIRD READING FROM APPROVAL FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU NEED TWO APPROVALS, BUT GO AHEAD, CARA. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT REQUIRES IT REQUIRES TWO APPROVALS OF TWO READINGS. SO IF IT FAILS A FIRST READING, IT COULD COME BACK FOR SECOND READING. IF IT PASSED, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK FOR A THIRD. GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF IT FAILS ON FIRST READING, WE JUST DON'T COME BACK FOR SECOND READING. BUT THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST FOR IT TO COME BACK AT SECOND READING. AND ONE WOULD THINK THAT IF IT AND IF IT CAME BACK FOR SECOND READING, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE MARKEDLY MORE TIME TO ADJUST THEIR PROPOSAL THAN 24 HOURS. IS THAT ACCURATE? WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I'M FINE PASSING THIS FORWARD TO SECOND READING, KNOWING THAT YOU'VE GOT MASSIVE WORK TO DO. AND WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE DON'T MAKE REAL FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A HIGH BAR FOR YOU TO PASS TO GET THROUGH TWO READINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT A FOURTH PERSON UP HERE THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO CARRY THAT WATER TOO, OR NOT. JUST DEPENDS ON WHETHER THEY'RE COMFORTABLE SAYING, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU, WE'LL BE LEANING ON FIRST READING AND THEN HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE ON SECOND READING. I THINK CLAY UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO TO, TO QUOTE COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI. I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING OR THE ONE BEFORE, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST MEETING YOU KNOW, I THINK I COULD GET BEHIND IT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DOES NOT MEAN I'M VOTING FOR IT ON THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING. THERE YOU GO. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. AND ONLY BECAUSE THE TIME FRAME THAT WE HAVE IN THE END OF THE YEAR. SO DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE READING THE REQUIREMENT FOR WERE THE UNDERGROUND RETENTION IN THIS READING, OR ARE WE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN THE SECOND READING? MR. COUNCIL PLEASURE. GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THIS ONE. SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR FROM THE GET GO. AND THEN DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND RESCHEDULE OR BASICALLY MOVE THIS TO DECEMBER? LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE READY TO SUBMIT ALL THIS STUFF? YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT, AREN'T WE? RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. BUT KNOWING THAT YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK, HE'S COMING BACK. NOT IN TWO WEEKS. COMING BACK FOR SECOND READING. I MEAN OR CAN YOU GET YOUR STUFF DONE IN TWO WEEKS? YOU'D HAVE TO BE DONE TOMORROW, RIGHT? NO NO NO NO, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. IF WE IF WE VOTE TO PASS IT THROUGH TO SECOND READING TONIGHT. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THAT STUFF DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TURNED IN BY TOMORROW. IT JUST HAS TO BE GIVEN TO US BY SECOND READING. BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE WE JUST DO. WE DON'T VOTE ON IT. AND YOU CAN STILL MOVE US TO DECEMBER IF YOU NEED TO. I GET IT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT DENNIS IS ABOUT TO SAY RIGHT HERE BEHIND US. [01:25:04] SO WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK I CAN GET THE TWO WEEKS WITH WHAT WE NEED ON THE LAND STUFF, BUT WE KNOW OUR HOMEWORK, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO THERE. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO PASS US AND THEN MOVE US TO SECOND READING FOR THAT DECEMBER MEETING, I WILL GET THAT WORKED OUT. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PASS TONIGHT AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE TO TABLE IT THE NEXT ONE. WE CAN'T JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE MOTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT IN TWO WEEKS. I MEAN, HE THINKS HE CAN DO IT IN TWO WEEKS. YOU COULD INCLUDE IN THE MOTION TO HAVE SECOND READING INSTEAD OF AT THE NEXT MEETING AT YOUR DECEMBER MEETING. OKAY. SO LET'S BE CLEAR. YOU WANT TO HAVE SECOND READING IN TWO WEEKS, OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SECOND READING IN DECEMBER? LET'S DO IT IN DECEMBER. OKAY. SO WE CAN THAT'LL GIVE STAFF TIME. THAT'LL GIVE ME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. RIGHT. GIVE ME JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. I KNOW WHAT OUR HOMEWORK IS. THAT WILL ALSO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET TO DENNIS AND ALLOW HIS TEAM MEMBERS SOME TIME TO REVIEW IT AS WELL. SO I KNOW YOU ALL ARE GOOD AT ASKING HIM QUESTIONS AND SO HE CAN HAVE SOME TIME TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW IT. UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO MAYOR PRO TEM ROBBINS, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL PIECES ARE THE REQUIREMENT FOR UNDERGROUND RETENTION AND THE SECOND READING ON DECEMBER 1ST. IS THAT CORRECT? AND CONSIDERATION FOR REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. BUT THAT WON'T BE ON THE ZONING. THAT'S FOR HIM TO DO. YEAH. HE'S GOT HIS HOMEWORK ON THE DRAINAGE TREE PRESERVATION, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, EVERYTHING ELSE. ALL THE VARIANCES AND EVERYTHING ARE THERE. YEAH. OKAY. IS IT YOUR SENSE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A LESS INTENSE DEVELOPMENT ON SECOND READING, AS IN REMOVE YOU? IS IT REALISTIC TO REMOVE A BUILDING OR NOT? I THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I PROBABLY CAN'T ANSWER ON THE DAIS TONIGHT. OKAY. JUST TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU, MR. FOX, LIKE NORMALLY I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A RESPONSE. IT'S A BIG ASK, BUT LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL, BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION ON SEVEN A ON FIRST READING. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM ROBBINS. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE. WE APPROVE. ITEM SEVEN, A ORDINANCE NUMBER 40-85OZ26-0046. FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR MAGNOLIA OFFICE PARK ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACK FIVE B ZERO SIX SOUTH FREMONT SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 525 AND LOCATED AT 501 NORTH CAMPBELL AVENUE. SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 26TH, 2026. SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER FOUR DATED OCTOBER 26TH, 2026. VARIANCES. VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN APPROXIMATELY 50 FOOT SPACING FOR THE EASTERN DRIVEWAY ALONG CAMPBELL AVENUE. VARIANCE TO ALLOW LOTS AS SHOWN WITH ACCESS BY COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT WITH A 26 FOOT FIRE LANE. VARIANCE TO ACHIEVE A MAXIMUM 65% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR AN OFFICE PARK DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF FIVE TWO STORY BUILDINGS DIVIDED INTO INDIVIDUAL LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 3.62 ACRES. THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE AREA AND STORM DRAIN PLANS OR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND SHALL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND APPROVAL SITE. PLAN ANY PROPOSED ELIMINATION OF THE DETENTION STRUCTURE, MATERIAL REDUCTION, RELOCATION TO ANOTHER SITE, CHANGE IN DETENTION METHOD OR OTHER MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE APPROVED DRAINAGE APPROACH REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL BEFORE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL OR ISSUANCE OF PERMITS FOR THE AFFECTED WORK. EVEN IF FINAL ENGINEERING DETERMINES THAT DETENTION IS UNNECESSARY OR AN ALTERNATIVE SATISFIES CITY CITY DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS. GRANTING VARIANCES FOR. ALLOW DRIVEWAY STACKING DEPTH OF 50FT TO ALLOW MINIMUM 90 FOOT DRIVEWAY CENTERLINE SPACING ALONG KIMBALL AVENUE WITH THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT RESTRICTED DESIGN MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE AND THE CITY ENGINEER REVIEW ALLOWING LOTS. ALLOW LOTS AS SHOWN WITH ACCESS BY COMMON ACCESS EASEMENT WITH A 26 FOOT FIRE LANE AND THE SECOND READING FOR THIS WILL BE ON DECEMBER 1ST. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON SEVEN A ON FIRST READING, IF I MAY. REAL QUICK JUST FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M GOING TO VOTE TO KICK THIS FORWARD TO TRY AND KEEP YOU ON A SCHEDULE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR IF THERE'S STILL FIVE BUILDINGS ON SECOND READING, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT, OR IT'S UNLIKELY I WILL. SO I DON'T, I JUST. BUT I WILL VOTE TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO WE HAVE A CHANCE IN DECEMBER. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF WHAT I WAS SAYING AS WELL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON SEVEN A ON FIRST READING. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 2. WE WILL SEE YOU AT SECOND READING IN DECEMBER. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING A LITTLE OUT OF SCHEDULE TODAY WITH THE ELECTION DAY AND ELECTION VOTING HAS JUST CONCLUDED HERE IN TOWN HALL. SO WE'VE MOVED THINGS AROUND. WE PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED THAT THE TOUCH MARK ITEMS, WHICH ARE SEVEN B AND SEVEN C, ARE BEING MOVED, AND WE WON'T START THOSE UNTIL AT LEAST 8:00. WE WANTED TO ALLOW ENOUGH TIME FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HERE VOTING TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE, AND THEN SAFELY LEAVE THE TOWN SQUARE AREA AND MINIMIZE THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING ISSUES BEFORE FOLKS COME IF THEY'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN [01:30:06] PERSON. ON TOUCH MARKET AT SEVEN A, SEVEN B AND SEVEN C, SO THOSE ITEMS TOUCH MARK WILL NOT BE HEARD UNTIL AT LEAST 8 P.M.. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION NOW AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK UP. [2.A. Executive Session] AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR. SO WE'LL BE BACK AT 8:00. WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM TO TAKE BEFORE TOUCH MARK SEVEN B AND SEVEN C, BUT WE'LL BE BACK AT 8:00. SO AS MAYOR, I HEREBY ADVISE YOU THAT WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY. AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE AT 8:00. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER. [2.B. Reconvene] IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS THE MAYOR'S REPORT. [3.A. Mayor’s Report ] NOTHING SCHEDULED TONIGHT. CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. [3.B. City Manager’s Report] NOTHING ON TONIGHT. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] WE REVIEWED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DURING OUR WORK SESSION. THERE WERE NO CHANGES. COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A MOTION FROM DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM REYNOLDS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. HE MAKES THE MOTION FOR THIS. MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE THE WORK. OR MAYBE NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE INCLUDED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH H ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. NEXT UP IS THE PUBLIC FORUM. THE PUBLIC FORUM IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. [5. Public Forum.] AGAIN, THAT'S FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. I NOTE WE HAVE A COMMENT CARD UP, WHICH IS TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM, NOT ON OUR AGENDA. THE TOPIC IS THE BIG BEAR CREEK COALITION. AND THIS IS SHERI BERMAN FROM 818 PARKDALE DRIVE. COME ON DOWN. HI THERE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON THE COALITION. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. I THINK WE HAD A MICROPHONE ISSUE. WE'LL RESTART THE CLOCK FOR YOU, THOUGH. OKAY. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE REPRESENT MORE THAN 5000 HOMES IN THE BIG BEAR CREEK CORRIDOR COALITION. WE WERE BACK HERE IN APRIL. WE WERE UP. Y'ALL WERE UPDATING THE SUMROW SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER PLAN, AND WE TOLD YOU THAT WE WANTED TO BE A PARTNER WITH YOU AND AND HELP YOU. AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED. SO THERE WAS A PRESENTATION IN AUGUST AND FROM STEPHANIE AND THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. THEY'VE DONE ALL THE WORK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER PLAN OR STORMWATER APPLICATION TO GO INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT INCLUDES SOUTHLAKE, KELLER AND GRAPEVINE. AND ON OCTOBER 30TH THAT WAS COMPLETED. THIS MATTERS BECAUSE THIS IS A TOTALLY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STARTING FROM UPSTREAM, GOING TO DOWNSTREAM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T HAVE. EACH CITY IS KIND OF WORKING INDIVIDUALLY, AND IF WE GET APPROVAL FROM THIS, THEN COG WILL COME BACK AND WORK WITH THE CITIES TO FIND OUT THE CRITICAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, BOTH UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM. AND THEN THE PROJECTS WILL BE RANKED. AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THIS IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SO DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING SOON ON THAT. WE ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR HELP, THE MAYOR AND FRANCES AND CITY STAFF ON HELPING GET THAT PRESENTATION DONE IN THIS BUILDING. AND THEN THE EXCITING THING IS, IS WE ARE COLLECTING DATA. WE HAVE A SENSOR COMPANY THAT HAS PUT SENSORS IN TIMBERLAKE AND THEN HILLS, MONTICELLO, AND MONTICELLO ESTATES. THERE WILL BE SIX SENSORS THERE, AND THEN THERE'LL BE ANOTHER FOUR SENSORS IN KELLER. THIS IS GOING TO MEASURE THE VELOCITY AND VOLUME OF WATER. THIS IS GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS DATA, REAL DATA THAT YOU CAN TAKE BACK AND LOOK AT. YOU KNOW, FOR PLANNING GRANTS THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT AND ANY TYPE OF, OF MEASUREMENTS THAT YOU NEED, [01:35:07] THAT YOU NEED TO PUT INTO YOUR CIP FOR PLANNING. AND WE WILL SHARE THE DATA AS IT COMES IN. THERE'S AN APP AND WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH YOU. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING IMMEDIATELY. WE'RE ALSO SHARING THIS WITH DOCTOR FANG. HE'S WITH THE UTAH WATER ENGINEERING RESEARCH CENTER AT UT. A AND HE PREDICTS ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH WATER. HE TURNS RAINFALL AND STREAM DATA INTO FOREST FORECASTS ON HOW DEEP THE WATER WILL GET AND WHERE IT WILL GO. HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WANTS TO HELP SOLVE THE ISSUE. SO WE'RE FINDING OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO HELP US. AND WE KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM. IT'S A GROWING PROBLEM FOR ALL THE CITIES. AND WE JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE DID Y'ALL DID THE COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER PLAN OR UPDATED IT IN APRIL. AND SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO SEE THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT AND DEVELOP IS, IS CONTINUING. SO THE SOONER YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, GET THAT TO US OR GET THAT TO THE CITY AND Y'ALL STUDY IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG, IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP US. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE CASES IN ORDER. WE ALREADY TOOK SIX A PREVIOUSLY, SO WE'LL GET TO SIX B AND SIX C TOGETHER. [Items 6.B. & 6.C.] SIX B IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 488-788B. CASE NUMBER Z826-0053. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 731ZOP LLC. AND CASE NUMBER OR ITEM NUMBER SIX C IS CASE NUMBER ZA26-0071. PLANT REVISION FOR LOT FOUR R, BLOCK ONE, PECAN CREEK, AND LOCATED AT 731 Z RUCKER ROAD, DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. THANK YOU MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY. THE SECOND READING OF THAT ITEM. SINCE FIRST FIRST READING OF THAT THERE'S BEEN NO, NO CHANGE TO THE PLAN SUBMITTED, BUT I'LL STILL RUN THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. THE PLAT HAD NOT YET COME FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS EITHER. LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL. CURRENT ZONING IS SP TWO GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT. IT'S SPECIFIC TO BUILDINGS AND USES THAT WERE APPROVED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING IN PLACE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS ZONING REQUEST IS TO ADD A AMBULATORY SURGERY FACILITY AND THE CENTRALLY LOCATED BUILDING, AND TO ADD A COVERED PATIENT DROP OFF PICKUP AREA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. ALSO PART OF THAT IS THE ADDITION OF A GENERATOR BACKUP GENERATOR IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. THIS VIEW OF THE SITE. VIEW FROM RUCKER ROAD. ANOTHER VIEW FROM STREET FRONTAGE LOOKING EAST. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ZONING AND AND PLAN MOST RECENTLY APPROVED. THERE WAS A LATER AMENDMENT THAT ADDED A SALON USE TO THE PROPERTY. THIS PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH STACKING DEBTS ON THE TWO DRIVEWAYS. IT ALSO GRANTED RELIEF OF A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. ONLY CHANGE TO THE BUILDING CONFIGURATION IS THE ADDITION OF THE COVERED PATIENT AREA FOR. FOR THE AMBULATORY SURGERY FACILITY, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF A GENERATOR WITH A 12 FOOT MASONRY SCREEN THAT WOULD MATCH THE EXTERIOR BRICK OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS SITE DATA SUMMARY. AND PROPOSED REGULATIONS WITH STANDARD OH ONE REGULATIONS ON THE LEFT COLUMN. THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND PROPOSED CANOPY AND ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED GENERATOR AND ENCLOSURE SITE. THIS IS THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. [01:40:09] WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES SPECIFIC TO THE TO THE ZONING REQUEST TO DATE. AND THIS WAS APPROVED BY PNC SIX ZERO AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 17TH MEETING. AND COUNCIL APPROVED FIRST READING FIVE ONE AT YOUR OCTOBER 20TH MEETING. THE PLAT REVISION PURPOSE OF THAT IT IS TO ABANDON EASEMENTS THAT ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY AND TO ADDRESS BUILDING LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT COVERS THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE ORIGINAL RECORDED PLAT. THE PLAT REVISION HAS NOT BEEN PROCESSED SINCE THE ORIGINAL ZONING CHANGE THAT PUT THE TWO BUILDING CONFIGURATION ON THIS SITE. AND I BELIEVE 2022 REQUIRED A PLAT REVISION BE DONE TO ADJUST THAT EASEMENT BOUNDARY AND, AND ABANDON THE ACCESS EASEMENT. ALSO TO ADDRESS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE AND REMOVE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ON THE EAST BOUNDARY. THIS IS A NEW PLAT THAT SHOWS SHADED AREA OF EASEMENTS TO BE ABANDONED. INSIDE THAT, HOWEVER, IS ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE AS WELL AS A VARIABLE WIDTH FLOODPLAIN EASEMENT THAT'S BEING ADDED BASED ON THE NEW DRAINAGE DESIGN ON THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS ABANDONMENT OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT. AND THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WHAT IS BEING ADDED AND THE RED ARROWS INDICATING WHAT'S BEING ABANDONED REMOVED FROM THE PLOT. JUST A QUICK DRAINAGE HISTORY. THE ORIGINAL DRAINAGE DESIGN WAS PRELIMINARY AND SUBMITTED WITH THOSE PLANS. FINAL DRAINAGE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED FOR CONSTRUCTION, PERMITTING AND ENTITLEMENT AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DESIGN DURING FINAL ENGINEERING. WERE WERE CHANGED AND DEEMED NOT TO BE REQUIRED. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THIS OCTOBER 22ND, SEVEN ZERO, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT AND REVIEW SUMMARY. AND THERE'S NO ISSUES FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT RELATED TO THE, TO THE PLAT OR THE, THE MATERIALS SUBMITTED FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. DENNIS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS AT THIS TIME? YEAH I DO. SO DENNIS, JUST WANT TO KIND OF ASK YOU AND RESTATE MY POSITION FROM THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. SO TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY. ORIGINALLY, IN 2021, THIS PROPERTY HAD COME THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND HAD BEEN. AND THERE WAS A. WELL, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS AN ABOVE GROUND RETENTION POND THAT WAS THAT WAS THERE, BUT IT WAS REDESIGNED TO AN UNDERGROUND RETENTION POND OR RETENTION SYSTEM. AND THAT WAS APPROVED. AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAD TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT IT, AND EVERYBODY WAS ALL HAPPY GO LUCKY IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS. AND SO THAT PASSED CITY COUNCIL. AFTER THAT POINT IN TIME, THE DEVELOPER OR OWNER BROUGHT IN ENGINEERS TO THE CITY. AND AS PART BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN FIRST, THAT LATER WE ACTUALLY DO THE FULL SITE PLAN AND ANALYSIS, AND THE CITY ENGINEERING STAFF WITH A THIRD PARTY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPER, DETERMINED THAT THAT UNDERGROUND RETENTION SYSTEM WAS NO LONGER ACTUALLY NEEDED. AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE MOTION AT THE VERY BEGINNING IN 2021, THAT IN 2023, WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THE CITY WAS ABLE TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING THAT RETENTION POND FROM THIS PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT. AND TO BE SPECIFIC, GOING BACK IN TIME WHEN WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID, IN THEIR MOTION, ACKNOWLEDGE THE DETENTION ABOVE GROUND GOING TO THE UNDER UNDERGROUND. AND WHEN THAT 2021 PLAN MADE ITS WAY THROUGH, THAT STIPULATION WAS NOT CARRIED FORWARD WITH ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION OR WRITTEN IN AS ANY REGULATION THAT THAT BE TIED SPECIFIC TO TO THE ZONING AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF [01:45:06] IT AT THE TIME, THE ENGINEER THAT PROCESSED THAT APPLICATION FOR, FOR THE APPLICANTS TO, TO GO TO THAT TWO BUILDING CONFIGURATION AND THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION MADE ASSUMPTIONS THAT ALL OF THAT WAS STILL REQUIRED. SINCE THAT TIME, THE CURRENT APPLICANT BEGAN THEIR PREPARATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND THEY HIRED ANOTHER ENGINEER THAT CAME IN AND TOOK NEW MODEL DATA FROM THAT BASIN AND DRAINAGE AREA AND REEVALUATED THAT PREPARED A FULL AND DETAILED STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO OUR STAFF. OUR STAFF REVIEWED THAT AND FOUND NO ISSUE WITH WHAT WHAT THEIR NEW STUDY HAD DETERMINED, BUT TO MAKE CERTAIN THEY SENT IT TO A THIRD PARTY JUST TO HAVE A ANOTHER INDEPENDENT GROUP REVIEW THAT MATERIAL AND CONFIRM THE FINDINGS OF THE DEVELOPERS, ENGINEERS, NEW STUDY AND, AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE BASICALLY A TRIPLE CHECK ON THAT SYSTEM THAT IT WAS NEEDED NOT ONLY BY THE DEVELOPER, BUT BY OUR OWN STAFF AS WELL AS AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY. AND SO JUST TO JUST TO CONFIRM THAT AND YOU CAN ANSWER IT OR THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN. SO THEN ITEM SIX C, THIS IS A THIS IS A PLAT, RIGHT. SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE BUT TO. WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO ALLOW THAT TO GO THROUGH. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE HAS REMOVED THE ABILITY FOR HAS MADE PLAT REVIEW MINISTERIAL, MEANING YOU HAVE NO DISCRETION IF IT COMPLIES WITH YOUR CITY'S CODE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT. AND IN THIS CASE, IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S CODE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S FOR SIX. SEE THE PLAT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE PLAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS AT THIS TIME, DENNIS? YES, SIR. THIS IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL USE, ESSENTIALLY, AND A FEW EXTRA ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING TO SUPPORT THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE THE AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER. AS A PART OF THE ZONING, ARE WE ABLE TO PIN DOWN SPECIFICS ON THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO CATARACT SURGERY, CAN WE SAY ONLY FOR THAT USE? SO IT'S NOT ALL AMBULATORY SURGERY. I'LL DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY. I THOUGHT MY INITIAL MY INITIAL STATEMENT WOULD BE YES. AND I WOULD LOOK TO HER TO CONFIRM THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU DENNIS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO AHEAD. BILL. SIBLING VISION. COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. 1340 MAIN STREET, GRAPEVINE, TEXAS. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PRESENTATION OR JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS? HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY SIDE. I REPRESENT THE ESTABLISHED EYE DOCTOR GROUP THAT WOULD LIKE TO SET DOWN THE ROOTS IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND OWN PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY NEED THAT A, S, C ELEMENTS APPROVED THE CANOPY IN THE BACKUP GENERATOR. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ITEM SIX B AND SIX C REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SIX B AND SIX C TOGETHER. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING SIX B OR SIX C? AND I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD, WE SENT OUT PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE ONE RESPONSE FROM RYAN JACOBSON AT 505 NORTHWOOD TRAIL IS OPPOSED TO ITEM SIX B. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SIX B OR SIX C? YES. COME ON DOWN. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. OKAY. SHERRY BERGMAN, 818 PARKDALE DRIVE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. I GUESS MY CONCERN AND I APPRECIATE THAT THERE WERE THREE ADDITIONS LOOKING AT THE POND AND THE DRAINAGE OF THAT. BUT UNDER SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT RULE. AND BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROHIBITED FROM REDIRECTING, CONCENTRATING, OR INCREASING THE RATE OF STORMWATER RUNOFF ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RUNOFF COEFFICIENT IS ON THIS. IF IT CHANGES FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING LAND TO THERE. BUT IF IT'S THE SAME, I MEAN, THIS IS UPSTREAM FROM TAMRON. TAMRON IS HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS APPLIES TO THIS, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND JUST LOOK AT IT [01:50:10] BECAUSE AS I SAID, THIS IS UPSTREAM AND THERE'S TONS OF WATER THAT'S RUNNING DOWN. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PARKING LOTS AND BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I JUST AM WONDERING ABOUT THE THE WATER AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE. YES. THIS IS AGAIN FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON SIX B AND SIX C. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. RYAN JACOBSON 709 DOMINION DRIVE. MY CONCERN IS THAT IS ELEMENTARY PLAYGROUND AND FIELD RIGHT TO THE SOUTH OF IT. THE FRUSTRATION IS IT HAD A PRETTY THICK TREE LINE AND THEY CLEARED A LOT OF THAT RECENTLY. AND SO NOW THERE'S NO PRIVACY OR RIGHT NOW OUR KIDS CAN JUST THEY'LL BE ABLE TO EASILY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT COMPLEX. AND IT'S ALSO FRUSTRATING THAT THIS WAS EVER APPROVED FOR A DUMPSTER TO BE LOOKS LIKE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. I MEAN, THAT'S LESS THAN THIS DISTANCE. SO CONSIDERING IT'S NOW GOING TO BE USED FOR SURGERY, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CERTAIN WASTE. YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS HAVE TO BE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF SURGERY CENTER ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MUCH USE ARE WE TALKING IN THIS FACILITY? SO IF IT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING BUFFER ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE GENERATOR PADS, THE DUMPSTER LOCATION, BECAUSE THEY PRETTY MUCH JUST RIPPED OUT A LOT. AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE KIDS, SO. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON SIX B OR SIX C? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SIX B AND SIX C COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? MR. JACOBSON BROUGHT UP THE THE ISSUE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. I THINK YOU SAID SOUTH SIDE AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING MAY BRING UP THE APPLICANT. APPLICANT WANT TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS THAT. RELATIVE TO THE SITE DYNAMICS. I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S CONSIDERABLE LANDSCAPING ALREADY BUILT IN. AGAIN, I'M REPRESENTING THE DOCTOR GROUP THAT ONE OCCUPY 5300FT² OF THE BUILDING. SO THERE IS YEAH, THERE, THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN SIGNIFICANT SCREENING BACK THERE ALREADY. AND THE GENERATOR IS GOING TO HAVE, I BELIEVE A 12FT SCREEN, 12FT SCREENING. OKAY. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON SIX B OR SIX C? I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM ROBBINS ON SIX B AND THEN WE'LL DO A SEPARATE ONE ON SIX C. YES, MR. MAYOR. MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM SIX B, ORDINANCE NUMBER FOUR, 26-0053. SECOND READING ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN FOR 731 ZINA O P LLC ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT FOUR, BLOCK ONE PECAN CREEK ADDITION LOCATION LOCATED AT 731 ZINA RUCKER ROAD. SUBJECT. STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 26TH, 2026. SITE PLAN REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER THREE DATED OCTOBER 12TH, 2026. VARIANCES. VARIANCE TO ALLOW STACKING OF APPROXIMATELY 41FT FOR THE NEW EAST WEST DRIVEWAY AND 43FT NINE INCHES FOR THE DRIVEWAY. ALSO TO ALLOW NO TRAIL TO BE CONSTRUCTED FROM ZINA RUCKER TO THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 480, AS AMENDED, SECTION 33.19 AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE NUMBER 43, AS AMENDED. SECTION 5.06, REQUIRING EIGHT FOOT MULTI-USE TRAIL TO BE EXTENDED TO THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE FOR THE MASTER PATHWAYS PLAN. NOTING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. ZONING CHANGE AND SITE PLAN TO ALLOW AN AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER AS A PERMITTED USE ADDITION OF THE PATIENT DROP OFF CANOPY SCREEN GENERATOR ENCLOSURE, GRANTING PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCES FOR DRIVEWAY STACKING AND REMOVAL OF THE TRAIL ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY FROM ZINA ROAD TO THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON SIX B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON SIX B. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1. ITEM SIX B IS APPROVED. LET'S TAKE A MOTION ON SIX C. YES. MR. MAYOR, MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM 6CZA26-0071. PLAT REVISION FOR LOT FOUR, BLOCK ONE CONCRETE BEING A REVISION OF LOT FOUR. BLOCK ONE THE CONCRETE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 731 ZINA RUCKER ROAD. SUBJECT. STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 26TH, 2026 AND PLAT REVISION REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 26TH, 2026, NOTING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PLAT REVISION TO REMOVE THE EXISTING DRAINAGE AND DETENTION UTILITY, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND COMMON ACCESS EASEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION ON SIX C. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, CAST YOUR VOTES ON SIX C. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. [01:55:05] ITEM SIX C IS APPROVED. WE TOOK UP ITEM SEVEN A PREVIOUSLY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO SEVEN B AND SEVEN C, [Items 7.B. & 7.C.] WE'LL TAKE THOSE TOGETHER. ITEM SEVEN B IS ORDINANCE 1269-J. CASE NUMBER CP26-0008. FIRST READING AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR TOUCH MARK. ITEM SEVEN C IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 4-851. CASE NUMBER Z26-0052. FIRST READING ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR TOUCH MARK AND THIS IS LOCATED AT 1009 AND 1101 NORTH AVENUE. 1301 EAST HIGHLAND STREET. 1335 THROUGH 1361 AND 1375 THROUGH 1379 EAST HIGHLAND STREET AND 1301 EAST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. DIRECTOR KILO. THANK YOU MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THE. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY. THE FIRST ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA IS CONCEPT OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT IS TO AMEND THE CURRENT UNDERLYING LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL COMMERCIAL, WITH THE PORTION OF THAT ALSO LYING WITHIN THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION, AND THEN A SMALL PORTION UNDER SEMIPUBLIC. TO ALL OF THAT BEING AN AREA BEING WITHIN THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY THIS IS THE FUTURE OPTIONAL OVERLAY FOR LAND USE IN THE CITY. IT DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY WITH AN OPTIONAL LAND USE DESIGNATION, AN OVERLAY OF MIXED MEDICAL AND OFFICE OVERLAY. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED EXHIBIT SHOWING THE CURRENT LAND USES ON THE LEFT AND THEIR PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE TO THE CITY'S LAND USE MAP. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICT C, S AND PORTION OF IT AGRICULTURAL AND A SMALL PORTION OF IT IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER AS NON RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS LAND OF THE GATEWAY CHURCH OWNERSHIP THAT CROSSES THE. TO THE EAST SIDE OF GRACE LANE. PROPOSED ZONING ON THIS IS SP2 GENERALIZED SITE PLAN DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING AS WELL AS ASSISTED AND ASSISTED MEMORY CARE USES, ALONG WITH THE AMENITIES THAT THEY'VE OUTLINED IN THEIR DISTRICT USES AND REGULATIONS. THIS IS VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. ANOTHER VIEW FROM HIGHLAND STREET. AND THIS IS THEIR PRINCIPAL SITE PLAN. AND THIS IS THEIR PHASING PLAN. ALL THE AREAS SHOWN IN BLUE IS INTENDED TO BE SITE PLANNED AND AND CONSTRUCTED CONSTRUCTED WITH THE INITIAL PHASE. THE YELLOW SHADED AREAS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AT LATER PHASES. THIS IS EXHIBIT IDENTIFYING THE VARIOUS BUSINESS OR BUILDING USES. THESE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED AS COURTYARD VILLAS. THESE ARE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS. THESE ARE ALSO INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS, AND THESE, REFERRED TO AS NEIGHBORHOOD FLATS, ARE ALSO INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS. THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING HERE IS ALLOCATED TOWARDS ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE. THIS IS GENERAL OVERALL SITE DATA SUMMARY. IDENTIFYING NUMBER OF UNITS AND MINIMUM AND TYPICAL MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE RANGES OF EACH OF THE VARIOUS PRODUCT BUILDING TYPES. INITIAL PHASE PROPOSES A TOTAL OF 263 UNITS. SECOND PHASE TOTAL OF 94 ADDITIONAL UNITS. [02:00:05] ANTICIPATED BUILD OUT IS 357 AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THE MAXIMUM AT 365 UNITS. THE DENSITIES HERE ADDRESS ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS AS AS ESSENTIALLY DWELLING UNITS. THEY ARE SOME LIVING UNITS. SOME DO MEET THE DEFINITION OF LITERAL DEFINITION OF DWELLING UNITS, BUT PHASE ONE PUTS THEM AT ROUGHLY 15.47 DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACREAGE. AND THAT NET ACREAGE IS BASED ON PERIMETER RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS NEEDED FOR CAROL AND HARLAN BEING NETTED OUT OF THAT, THAT LAND AREA CALCULATION AND THEN TOTAL DENSITY OF ALL LIVING UNITS APPROXIMATELY 21 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS THEIR PARKING COUNT. IDENTIFIES WHAT IS UNDER GARAGE PARKING AND THEN SURFACE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ALSO THEIR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. AND THIS IS THEIR TREE CONSERVATION PLAN. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 18% EXISTING TREE COVER UNDER A STANDARD CONVENTIONAL ZONING WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE 70% OF THAT BEING PRESERVED. THEIR PLAN PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 48% OF THAT TO BE REMOVED AND THE 52% OF IT TO BE PRESERVED. AND THIS IS THEIR OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND THIS IS IMPERVIOUS AND PERVIOUS SURFACE AREA STUDY OR EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED. OVERALL, THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS AT ABOUT 53% OF THE SITE. I BELIEVE IN THEIR REGULATIONS. THEY HAVE SET THAT AS 55% MAXIMUM. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS EXISTING DRAINAGE AREAS AND PATTERNS AND DESCRIBES WHERE THAT DRAINAGE IS EXITING THE PROPERTY. AND THIS IS OUR PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THE SITE. THIS IS OUR PROPOSED RETENTION PLAN, SOME OF WHICH INCLUDES SOME DETENTION AS WELL AS SOME THE USE OF, OF TREED AREAS TO PRESERVE AND MANAGE SOME OF THAT DETENTION. THIS IS THEIR FENCING PLAN. THERE UTILIZE A MIX OF ORNAMENTAL METAL FENCE AND BRICK AND VARYING STONE FENCING THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. AND THIS IS OUR PEDESTRIAN PLAN. THESE ARE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. AND THE MAP AND THE BOTTOM SHOWS PERSPECTIVE OF THESE VIEWS OF THE TWO ELEVATIONS AND THE MATERIAL MIX. [02:05:27] AND THIS IS A BUILDING HEIGHT EXHIBIT SHOWING THE VARYING BUILDING HEIGHTS. THE CENTRAL BUILDING AND PRIMARILY MECHANICAL AND ELEVATOR RELIEF STRUCTURE ON THAT ROOF IS THE TALLEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING, AND IT'S AT APPROXIMATELY 86FT. AND THOSE BUILDINGS RANGE FROM 17 ALL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 8086FT IN HEIGHT. THE CENTRAL INDEPENDENT LIVING UNIT IS THE TALLEST OF THE LIVING STRUCTURES. AND IT'S AT ABOUT 84FT. YOU'VE BEEN HANDED OUT UPDATED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS, THIS AFTERNOON. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THE, THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTED REGULATIONS AGE RESTRICTED IT TO 62 FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THE INITIAL RESIDENTS, BUT WOULD ALLOW THEIR THEIR SPOUSE OR TO BE 55 OR OLDER. THEY'RE FOLLOWING SPECIFICS OF THE FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING ACT AND THEY'VE MODIFIED THAT TO TOTALLY RESTRICT INDEPENDENT LIVING TO 62 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER WITH LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO THE FAIR HOUSING ACT THAT WOULD ALLOW CARE CARE PROVIDERS AND TO BE IN PLACE ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THEY HAVE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING AND, AND PROVISIONS OF MINIMUM AMENITIES AND COMMON FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. ALSO ADDITION OF SKILLED NURSING AS A PERMITTED FUTURE USE WITHIN THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE AND THEN SOME. BUILDING CLARIFICATION HEIGHT THAT WAS ADDRESSING THAT CENTRAL COMPONENT OF THE. THE MAIN INDEPENDENT LIVING IDENTIFYING THAT AS AS MECHANICAL AND ELEVATOR. RELIEF STRUCTURE TO PROTECT THAT PORTION OF THEIR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND THE ELEVATORS ALSO UPDATES TO THE OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE HAVE RECEIVED 188 NOTICES OUTSIDE OF THE 100 OR 300 FOOT. NOTIFICATION AREA THAT WERE IN FAVOR OR FOR THE APPLICATION, 43 OPPOSED AND TWO UNDECIDED. TWO HAVE BEEN RECEIVED UNDECIDED WITHIN THE 300 FOOT NOTIFICATION. AND THEN WE'VE HAD TWO IN FAVOR AND TWO IN OPPOSITION THAT DID NOT IDENTIFY ADDRESSES. AND WE RECEIVED SIX RESPONSES THAT WERE IN FAVOR SPECIFIC TO THE CONCEPT OR EXCUSE ME, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND LAND USE CHANGE. AND SIX RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THEIR OCTOBER 8TH MEETING, APPROVED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FIVE ONE AND APPROVED THE ZONING CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN SITE PLAN FIVE ONE BOTH SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORTS AND REVIEW SUMMARIES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THEM THAT EVENING. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. REFER TO ANY. EXHIBITS ANY BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, AND. APPLICANTS GOT A PRESENTATION AS WELL. THANK YOU. DENNIS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS AT THIS TIME? GO AHEAD. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. CAN YOU DEFINE A DWELLING UNIT FOR ME? A TRUE DWELLING UNIT IS A LIVING UNIT THAT PROVIDES FOR [02:10:07] SLEEPING, SANITATION AND FOOD PREPARATION IN IT. SO WOULD A 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE BE A DWELLING UNIT? YES IT WOULD. WOULD AN 800 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WITH NO KITCHEN BE A DWELLING UNIT? IT DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION. DEFINITION OF ZONING ORDINANCE OF A DWELLING UNIT. IT COULD VERY WELL BE UTILIZED AS A LIVING UNIT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A DWELLING UNIT. OKAY. SO SO WE AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN OUR CALCULATIONS OF WHAT YOU HAVE FOR DWELLING UNITS. YOU'RE WE'RE COUNTING NINE KITCHEN UNITS AS A DWELLING UNIT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. YES. SO IF I HAD A SECTION OF A FLOOR AND I'M THINKING FOR COMPARISON A COLLEGE. RIGHT. MY KIDS ARE GETTING READY TO GO TO COLLEGE. I'M LOOKING AT HER DORM. AND IN THAT DORM, THERE MIGHT BE ONE COMMON AREA AND LET'S SAY EIGHT DIFFERENT ROOMS FOR THE STUDENTS TO LIVE IN AS AN EXAMPLE. AND THEY HAVE ONE KITCHENETTE. THEN BY OUR DEFINITION HERE, WE MIGHT CALL IT EIGHT DWELLING UNITS. IS THAT CORRECT AS IT'S BEING APPLIED TO THESE? YES. OKAY. AND WE'VE WITH THE OTHER SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH JUST AS A UNIT OF MEASUREMENT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED HOW MANY LIVING UNITS PER ACRE ARE ON THIS PROPERTY. BUT THERE IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN INDEPENDENT LIVING AND A AND A NON FULL ABILITY TO INDEPENDENTLY LIVE WITHIN A UNIT. MEANING. GOT IT. YOU KNOW, COOKING, FOOD PREPARATION AND SLEEPING AND SANITATION. SO SECOND QUESTION IS CAN YOU, WOULD YOU PULL UP THE I GUESS THE TREE PRESERVATION DIAGRAM THAT WE HAVE AGAIN? OR ACTUALLY, DO YOU HAVE AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY FIRST? YES I DO. PROBABLY WITH ALL THE TRACK BOUNDARIES, RED LINES. THAT'S NOT VERY USEFUL HERE. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP MUCH AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON SCRUB TREES THAT ARE THERE. SO WHEN I WAS THERE TODAY AGAIN DRIVING ACROSS THE PROPERTY, IT'S LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT USED TO BE ASPHALT BACK IN THE DAY AND WE'VE GOT STUFF ROLLING THROUGH THERE. BUT ANYWAY, IF WE CAN GO TO THE TREE PRESERVATION PORTION, GREAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESERVATION OF 48% REMAINING IN OUR REQUIREMENT IS, DID YOU SAY 70% HERE, 70% THERE PRESERVING 52% OF THE 18% THAT EXISTS. GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN THE, I THINK THE NEXT PAGE OR ONE AFTER THAT SHOWS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES PLANTED. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY TREES WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN? I DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL ON THAT WITH THE EXHIBITS THAT I HAVE, BUT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE CANOPY TREES. I HAVEN'T SPECIFIED A SPECIFIC SPECIES. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK THAT THEY HAD SAID 1400 TREES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THEM WHEN THEY COME UP. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS. CAN YOU GO TO THE THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAD FROM HIGHLAND? SO I'M STANDING ON HIGHLAND IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH. RIGHT. AND IN THE BACKGROUND I CAN SEE THE WESTIN HOTEL, AND I CAN SEE VIRTUALLY EVERY WINDOW OF THE WESTIN HOTEL FROM HIGHLAND ACROSS THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY, FROM THE FIFTH AND SIXTH FLOOR WITH SOME OF THE FOURTH FLOOR AS WELL. RIGHT. RIGHT. IT'S A SET OF BINOCULARS UP THERE. I COULD ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH SEE ACROSS THIS WHOLE PROPERTY IF I WANTED TO. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN THE POINT ON ON THIS TOO, IS I CAN ALSO SEE A HILL BETWEEN ME AND THE WESTIN. AND I'M CURIOUS AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT CAN GO THROUGH THIS TOO. YOU MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. WHAT MY FINAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS. I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAD SEEN BEFORE IN THE SPIN MEETING AND THEN MAYBE IN P AND Z. THE TWO, THE BUILDING, THE WEST AND THEIR LARGE BUILDING SIDE BY SIDE. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE HEIGHT OF THIS HILL OR IF THAT'S BEING REMOVED AS PART OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO ASK THEM. THE, I THINK THE WESTERN FROM THEIR FINISHED FLOOR AND WE'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT I THINK SHOWS THOSE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND, AND THEIR ELEVATION COMPARISONS. I CAN REFER TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A 15 TO 20 FOOT ADDITION THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT [02:15:02] TOO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S. AND I THINK ONE OF THE EARLIER VERSIONS OF THIS HAD MISTAKENLY LOOKED AT THEIR FINISHED FLOOR AT 675. THAT'S ACTUALLY THEIR BASE, THEIR FINISH FLOOR, THE LARGEST BUILDINGS. 650 AND THIS HEIGHT IS GOING TO THAT ELEVATOR MECHANICAL. OKAY, SO. 650 AND 652 FOR THE WEST. AND THAT WOULD BE ACTUAL ELEVATION OF THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, THE VERY TOP OF BOTH BUILDINGS, COUNTING, COUNTING ANY SORT OF CHANGE IN TOPOGRAPHY, RIGHT? 628 VERSUS THE. 736 AND THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED. THE THE WESTERN HAS HAD ENTITLEMENT UNDER THE ZONING, SEVEN FLOORS UP TO 115FT. THEY ONLY HAD GOT SITE PLAN AND FINAL APPROVAL FOR SIX UP TO 76. SO THAT'S OKAY. SO THE CITY PERMITTED 115FT ON THE WEST ORIGINALLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS AT THIS TIME. JUST ONE QUICK ONE DENNIS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT THEY BROUGHT IN THIS EVENING. THE CHANGE IN THE CALCULATIONS FOR BUILDING HEIGHT ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR NORMAL ORDINANCE? THEY WROTE IN A PROVISION JUST TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT THAT 86 FOOT OF HEIGHT ELEVATION WAS FOR A NON OCCUPIABLE STRUCTURE. IT'S FOR ELEVATOR AND EQUIPMENT WHICH WASN'T ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED. AND AND THE ORIGINAL PLANS AND. SO THERE IT JUST IDENTIFIED IT IN THEIR REGULATION. IT DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE. IT SAYS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COUNT. HEIGHT IS MEASURED IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT OUR STANDARD ORDINANCE, THEY'RE JUST IDENTIFYING IT AS A NON MECHANICAL SCREENING. AND ELEVATOR RISERS DON'T COUNT IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT. THEY'RE WRITING IT IN TO IDENTIFY. AND WHAT DID WE NORMALLY DO FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING? IT? IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE WHATEVER THE STRUCTURAL ROOF HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS. THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNDER ONE OF THE SUBSECTIONS THAT ALLOWS FOR BUILDINGS AND DISTRICTS THAT GO UP TO 35FT, OR 35 AND TWO AND A HALF STORIES THAT THEY CAN GO A CERTAIN DISTANCE ABOVE THOSE AND EXEMPT OUT NON OCCUPIABLE ORNAMENTAL STRUCTURES OR ELEVATOR SHAFTS, POTENTIALLY THOSE TYPE OF THINGS UP, UP TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT ABOVE THE PRINCIPAL HEIGHT BUILDING. BUT THIS BUILDING ALREADY EXCEEDS THE 35 FOOT FROM THAT STANDARD. SO I THINK THEY JUST WROTE IT IN AS AN IDENTIFIER THAT THE PORTION OF THEIR BUILDING THAT'S ACTUALLY REACHING THAT 86FT IS NOT UNOCCUPIABLE IS NOT WHAT? IT'S NOT OCCUPIABLE FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY. IT'S THERE FOR MEN AND EQUIPMENT ONLY, I GUESS. SO THAT'S I'M CONFUSED THEN, BECAUSE IT SAYS IT DOESN'T COUNT IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT, WHICH MEANS THAT THE BUILDINGS COULD ACTUALLY BE HIGHER THAN THE THAN THE STATISTICS YOU JUST SHOWED. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. AND I, I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT AS TO SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED HOW THEY CALCULATING BUILDING HEIGHT. RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, THEY'RE STILL ABOVE 80FT IN HEIGHT ON SOME OF THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE. SO THEY CAN PUT EXTRA STUFF ON TOP THAT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THE 86FT OR. YEAH, THE, THE, THE PLANS THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AND WHAT THEY WRITE INTO THEIR ZONING REGULATIONS, THEY CANNOT EXCEED WHAT THAT COMMISSION IS. NOT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL. SO IF IT SAYS 86FT, CAN THEY PUT AN EIGHT FOOT MECHANICAL ON TOP OF THAT AND SCREEN IT, MAKING THE STRUCTURE ACTUALLY 94FT TALL? I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THE HYPOTHETICAL. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT. COME ON UP. [02:20:04] AND FOR EVERYONE WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK OR POSSIBLY SPEAK, IF WE COULD JUST GET THEM TO DO NAMES AND ADDRESSES, WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO IT UP FRONT OR AS THEY COME UP, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT, BUT EVERYONE IS GOING TO SPEAK WILL STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND GO AHEAD. I THINK IT MAY BE BETTER IF WE DO IT AS THEY COME UP INDIVIDUALLY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE. BUT TO START, MY NAME IS CURTIS YOUNG WITH SAGE GROUP 550 SILICON DRIVE. HOLD ON A SECOND. I THINK WE HAVE A TECHNICAL THING. WHERE? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SEE THAT BIG WINDOWS? THERE WE GO. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. NO PROBLEM. ANYWAY MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE'RE HAPPY AND EXCITED TO BE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LONG TIME. WELL, OVER A YEAR. REALLY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AND THOUGHT INTO IT. WE'VE TALKED TO ALL OF YOU. WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE IN TOWN. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INPUT. WE'VE TRIED TO EVOLVE THIS AS WE'VE GONE ALONG, AND WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO YOU TONIGHT. THERE'S A LOT TO IT. SO ASK YOUR INDULGENCE IN THAT PART. FIRST, THOUGH, WE'D LIKE TO ASK REPRESENTATIVE PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT CURRENTLY OWNS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LAND TO COME UP AND, AND SPEAK PNC WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE LANDOWNER, AND SO WE'VE ASKED THAT TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU. IF WE COULD JUST GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GO AHEAD. BRIAN 970 OMB LANE. SOUTHLAKE. MAYOR MCCASKILL. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AGAIN, MY NAME IS CAM BRIAN, AND AS PRESIDENT OF THE CARROLL ISD BOARD OF TRUSTEES, I WANT TO BEGIN BY RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND OUR CITY. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO STRENGTHEN THAT RELATIONSHIP, COMMUNICATE OPENLY, AND FIND WAYS TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE BEEN GOOD PARTNERS, AND I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY THANK MAYOR MCCASKILL FOR HIS WILLINGNESS TO WORK CLOSELY WITH ME, OUR BOARD, AND OUR DISTRICT. THAT SPIRIT OF COOPERATION HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE, AND I BELIEVE OUR COMMUNITY IS STRONGER BECAUSE OF IT. THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CARROLL ISD BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR STUDENTS, EMPLOYEES, TAXPAYERS AND SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT INCLUDES RESPONSIBLY MANAGING DISTRICT ASSETS AND EVALUATING PROPOSALS THAT CAN BENEFIT OUR DISTRICT AND OUR COMMUNITY. OUR RESPONSIBILITY WAS TO EVALUATE THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE US AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE TOUCH, TOUCH MARK PROPOSAL REPRESENTED THE BEST PATH FORWARD FOR CAROL ISD. WE BELIEVE IT DOES. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. SELLING IT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN AN IDLE ASSET INTO A PRODUCTIVE ONE. AND IMPORTANTLY, THE PROCEEDS FROM THIS SALE ARE INTENDED TO BE INVESTED IN A HIGH YIELD ACCOUNT WITH THE ANNUAL INTEREST EARNINGS DEDICATED TO TEACHER AND STAFF SALARY INCREASES. THAT MEANS THIS TRANSACTION IS ABOUT MORE THAN SELLING PROPERTY. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH A RECURRING RECURRING SOURCE OF REVENUE TO HELP US INVEST IN THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE CAROL ISD SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE. OUR TEACHERS AND STAFF ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR STUDENTS. IN FINDING SUSTAINABLE WAYS TO SUPPORT THEM IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR OUR DISTRICT. WE BELIEVE THE TOUCH MARK PROPOSAL OFFERS A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT OBJECTIVE. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE A CONCERN WE HAVE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SOME RESIDENTS ARE WORRIED THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THIS PROPERTY COULD BECOME A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE HEARD THOSE CONCERNS AND WE TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. THAT IS WHY THE DISTRICT HAS DRAFTED AN AMENDMENT TO THE TOUCH MARK CONTRACT TO INCLUDE A DEED RESTRICTION FOR THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. [02:25:03] THE PURPOSE OF THIS RESTRICTION IS TO PROHIBIT ANY FUTURE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY. THE RESTRICTION READS IN PART, AND I QUOTE, NO BUILDING OR PORTION OF THAT OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE CONVERTED TO OR OPERATED, LEASED OR MARKETED AS MARKET RATE, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS OR ANY OTHER MULTIFAMILY RENTAL USE THAT IS NOT OPERATED AS PART OF AN AGE RESTRICTED SENIOR LIVING AND OR ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITY, END QUOTE. WE WANT TO ADDRESS THIS CONCERN DIRECTLY AND PROVIDE A CLEAR, ENFORCEABLE SAFEGUARD AGAINST THE PROPERTY BEING CONVERTED TO A CONVENTIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE FUTURE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST INDEPENDENTLY EVALUATE THE PROJECT IN ANY PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS. OUR HOPE IS THAT THIS ADDITIONAL STEP WILL HELP PROVIDE CLARITY AND REASSURANCE AS YOU CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE THAT WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND ITS RESIDENTS. THAT MEANS EVALUATING THIS PROPOSAL AGAINST THE CITY'S ORDINANCES, PLANNING OBJECTIVES, INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND THE CONCERNS OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE SCHOOL BOARD'S, BUT THEY'RE NOT INCOMPATIBLE. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THEY CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THE CITY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN WORK THROUGH DIFFICULT ISSUES, RESPECT ONE ANOTHER'S ROLES, AND FIND COMMON GROUND. WE HAVE A SHARED INTEREST IN PROTECTING SOUTH LAKE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. MAINTAINING STRONG SCHOOLS, SUPPORTING OUR RESIDENTS AND MAKING SOUND DECISIONS FOR THE FUTURE. I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING I HAVE OBSERVED ABOUT THIS CITY COUNCIL. YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED A WILLINGNESS TO GET TO. YES, WHEN A GOOD PROJECT IS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU. THAT WILLINGNESS TO WORK THROUGH CHALLENGES, ASK DIFFICULT QUESTIONS AND FIND SOLUTIONS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF RESPONSIBLE LOCAL LEADERSHIP. IF THERE ARE OUTSTANDING CONCERNS ABOUT TOUCH MARK'S DESIGN, HEIGHT, TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, LANDSCAPING OR RELATIONSHIP TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COMMUNICATE THOSE CONCERNS DIRECTLY TONIGHT SO THAT TOUCHMARK MAY ADDRESS THEM. IDENTIFY A PATH FORWARD IF ONE EXISTS AND GIVE A SERIOUS PROPOSAL EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED. THE CEO OF TOUCHMARK IS HERE TONIGHT. I BELIEVE HIS PRESENCE IS A TESTAMENT TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS PROJECT AND THE IMPORTANCE HIS COMPANY PLACES ON BRINGING THIS DEVELOPMENT TO SOUTHLAKE. THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL COMMITMENT BY TOUCHMARK, AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXCITED TO POTENTIALLY BRING THEIR PRODUCT TO OUR CITY. ULTIMATELY, WE UNDERSTAND CITY COUNCIL MUST MAKE ITS OWN DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS, THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS BEST FOR SOUTHLAKE. WE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT RESPONSIBILITY. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CONTINUE THE TRADITION OF PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY SO WELL. WE CAN RESPECT THE CONCERNS OF OUR RESIDENTS, FULFILL OUR RESPECTIVE RESPONSIBILITIES, AND WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT BENEFIT THE GREATER SOUTHLAKE COMMUNITY. SO ON BEHALF OF CARROLL ISD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, YOUR PARTNERSHIP IN YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE AND COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PRESIDENT. BRIAN. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, ARE WE DOING EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY OR WAIT TIL EVERYBODY. LET'S LET EVERYONE PRESENT AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK. SO I'M SURE HE'LL STICK AROUND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. BUT CURTIS, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU KIM. WE APPRECIATE THE DISTRICT WORKING WITH US TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU ALL AND OTHERS REGARDING THE ABILITY OF THIS, THIS PROJECT AND EVERYTHING. AND, AND WE THINK WE FOUND A GREAT SOLUTION TO THAT, AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR COOPERATION ON THAT. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP WE HAVE TWO SENIOR LEADERS OF TOUCHMARK HERE, INCLUDING MARCUS, THE CEO, AND KENDRA AHEAD OF THE CONSTRUCTION. AND I'D LIKE TO BRING THEM UP AND GET STARTED ON THIS, ALLOW YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF TOUCH. MARK. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, IF WE COULD GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO AHEAD. [02:30:13] I'M GOING FIRST THERE. SO I WONDERED IF. WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS MARCUS BREWER. I'M THE CEO OF TOUCH MARK. MY ADDRESS IS 5150 SOUTHWEST GRIFFITH DRIVE, BEAVERTON, OREGON. AND CURTIS AND KIM, THANK YOU FOR THE NICE INTRODUCTION. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP HERE AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, AND LANDSCAPING AND HEIGHTS AND UNITS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. I WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMPANY AND WHAT I THINK MAKES US SPECIAL, AND HOW I HOPE WE CAN REALLY HELP BE A BE A REAL BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO YOUR COMMUNITY. AND I WANT TO START BY TELLING YOU ABOUT HOW OUR COMPANY IS FORMED AND HOW DIFFERENT WE ARE THAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO WHAT WE DO IN OUR INDUSTRY. TOUCHMARK WAS FOUNDED 46 YEARS AGO, AND WE HAVE TEN OWNERS OF OUR COMPANY, AND EVERY ONE OF US WORKS AT TOUCHMARK. AND SO WE DON'T NONE OF US HAVE ANY OTHER JOB. AND WE WE PUT OUR OWN MONEY INTO BUILDING THESE PROJECTS AND WE OWN THEM AND WE OPERATE THEM. AND ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS OF THAT OF THAT STRUCTURE AS COMPARED TO THE BULK OF OUR INDUSTRY, THE BULK OF THE SENIOR HOUSING INDUSTRY IS OWNED BY REITS, WHICH ARE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUSTS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY. AND THEY'RE OPERATED BY DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT DON'T HAVE AN OWNERSHIP STAKE OR A VERY SMALL MINORITY ONE AND OPERATE THE PROPERTY. THAT CREATES A NATURAL TENSION THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE SENIORS WHO LIVE IN THOSE PROPERTIES. THE TENSION BETWEEN THE THE WALL STREET INVESTORS AND THE PROFIT DRIVEN APPROACH OF THAT, OF THOSE RIGHTS AS COMPARED TO THE NEED FOR CAPITAL AND THE NEED FOR OPERATING EXPENSES TO TAKE GREAT CARE OF SENIORS. WE. WE ARE VERTICALLY INTEGRATED. WE OWN EVERY BUILDING THAT WE OPERATE AND WE OPERATE EVERY BUILDING THAT WE OWN AND ALL OF US THAT WORK THERE AND DO THAT AND OWN IT, WORK THERE FOR OUR FULL TIME VOCATION. I REALLY THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT FORCED OR PUSHED AROUND BY EXTERNAL PRESSURES OR PROFIT EXPECTATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE CAN MAKE LONG TERM BENEFIT DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT OUR TEAM MEMBERS AND OF COURSE, OUR RESIDENTS. AND THAT IS WHY OUR COMPANY AT THE FRONT LINE LEVEL HAS OVER 400% LOWER TURNOVER THAN THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE. THE AVERAGE TURNOVER OR THE AVERAGE TENURE FOR A MANAGER OF A PROPERTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN OUR BUSINESS IS 1.8 YEARS. THE AVERAGE EXCUSE ME, THE AVERAGE TENURE FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT A PROPERTY IS 10.8 YEARS. THE AVERAGE TENURE OF AN EXECUTIVE OR SOMEONE IN MY POSITION IS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AT OUR COMPANY. IT'S OVER 17 YEARS. ALL OF THESE THINGS MATTER. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PROVIDES CONTINUITY. AND WE'RE JUST AT THE START OF A VERY LONG RELATIONSHIP, WE HOPE WITH WITH YOUR CITY, AND YOU CAN COUNT ON US THAT ARE THERE TODAY DOING THAT WORK AND US INTO THE FUTURE, DOING THAT WORK, NOT SELLING IT AND TRADING IT AROUND. AS IS OFTEN THE CASE IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR INDUSTRY. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. WE HAVE 16 DIFFERENT TOUCH MARKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF THEM UP THERE. THESE ARE SOME REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WE OPERATE. WE SERVE OVER 4500 RESIDENTS TODAY ACROSS OUR, OUR COMPANY. AND I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROFILE OF THOSE RESIDENTS HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, BECAUSE WE'RE AWARE OF THE SENSITIVITY HERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO TRANSIENT HOUSING OR APARTMENT OR DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TURNOVER. AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHO OUR RESIDENT REALLY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION TO SHARE. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE, EVERY TOUCH MARK FEATURES THE FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE, RANGING FROM INDEPENDENT LIVING TO ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED A FEW TIMES ALREADY. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OUR BUSINESS MODEL STARTED FROM OUR FOUNDERS, PARENTS, OUR FOUNDER WARNER AND ESSER, WHO IS STILL THE CHAIRMAN OF OUR BOARD, STARTED THIS COMPANY IN 1980. HIS PARENTS WERE MARRIED 54 YEARS, AND THEY LIVED THE LAST THREE YEARS OF THEIR LIVES, SIX MILES AWAY FROM EACH OTHER ACROSS TOWN, BECAUSE THEY NEEDED DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CARE. AND SO WHEN WE OPENED THE FIRST TOUCHMARK IN SPOKANE, HIS GOAL WAS TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT HIS COUPLES AND FAMILIES NEEDED CARE IN A LITTLE HELP IN THEIR LIFE. AS THEY CONTINUE TO AGE, THEY COULD DO SO ON THE SAME CAMPUS, REMAIN WITH THEIR SOCIAL CIRCLES, WITH THEIR FRIENDS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WITH EACH OTHER. AND SO ALL OF OUR CAMPUSES HAVE ALWAYS FEATURED THAT. AND THAT'S A VERY IN DEMAND AND VERY RELEVANT PART OF OUR BUSINESS. IT IS THE BACKBONE OF WHY PEOPLE CHOOSE TOUCHMARK, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT ONE CHOICE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO ENJOY THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. AND SO THEN AS WE, AS YOU LOOK AROUND TO EACH OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE IN, WE DO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC TARGET MARKET THAT WE SERVE. WE, WE STRIVE TO BE THE MOST PREFERRED AND BEST SENIOR HOUSING COMMUNITY IN EVERY, IN EVERY CITY THAT WE'RE IN. [02:35:02] AND WE HAVE A BRAND AND OUR BRAND MATTERS VERY DEEPLY TO US. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE BULK OF THE SENIOR HOUSING PROPERTIES IN AMERICA ARE TRANSACTED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP GROUPS. OURS ALL EXIST UNDER THE TOUCH MARK BRAND, AND WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. THEY ALL HAVE TO MEET OUR WE HAVE 1200 STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO THE OPERATION OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES. WE HOLD EVERY PROPERTY ACCOUNTABLE TO ALL THOSE STANDARDS, OTHERWISE IT CANNOT CARRY THE TOUCH MARK BRAND. WE INTEND TO BRING THAT SAME LEVEL OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND CARE TO SOUTHLAKE SHOULD YOU SHOULD YOU LET US. I'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS LATER IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE. GREAT. THIS IS A THIS IS A GRAPH OF THE ACTUAL AGE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND AGAIN, WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE SENSITIVITY THAT EXISTS HERE TOWARDS SERVING A YOUNGER POPULATION. WE ARE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH AND OFFER THAT 62 YEAR OF AGE LIMIT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. IT, IT'S NOT REALLY A RELEVANT FACTOR OF OUR OF OUR CLOSE TO 4500 RESIDENTS. I THINK WE HAVE LESS THAN A DOZEN WHO ARE UNDER 62. AND SO THAT IS NOT REALLY A POPULATION THAT WE SERVE. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE ARE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 80 AND 90. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED A POINT IN THEIR LIFE WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR HELP. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SERVICES, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR EASE OF LIFE. AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE PROVIDE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. THAT IS THE VALUE OF OUR PRODUCT. AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE EXPANSIVE COMMON AREAS AND AND PROXIMITY BETWEEN ALL OF OUR AMENITIES. THESE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER PREFERRING TO DRIVE TO DIFFERENT PARTS THROUGHOUT TOWN TO SEEK SOCIAL INTERACTION, TO SEEK PROPER NUTRITION, TO SEEK HEALTH AND FITNESS, AND TO SEEK ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT WE GET IN OUR CARS AND GO TO THESE FOLKS NEED THAT ALL IN ONE AREA THAT'S ORNAMENTAL OR INSTRUMENTAL TO WHAT WE PROVIDE. AND SO ON OUR SITE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE PROXIMITY OF DWELLINGS TOGETHER. SO THEY CAN ALL MATRICULATE TO THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MAKE THEIR LIFE A FULL LIFE. AND WE CAN SHOW YOU MORE OF THAT AS WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US. IT'S A, IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE. I HOPE OUR TEAM CAN ANSWER EVERY QUESTION YOU HAVE TONIGHT, GIVE YOU CONFIDENCE THAT WE'D BE A GREAT PARTNER FOR YOUR TOWN. AND I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE KENDRA LACKEY. SHE'S THE PRESIDENT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION PART OF OUR COMPANY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KENDRA LACKEY. MY ADDRESS IS 450 SOUTH HARDIN ROAD, MCKINNEY, TEXAS. AND I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY WE THINK WHAT MARCUS JUST DESCRIBED IS GREAT FOR SOUTHLAKE. WE'RE VERY STRATEGIC IN WHERE WE PLAN OUR FUTURE TO TOUCH MARKS, AND WE FEEL LIKE SOUTHLAKE IS A GREAT FIT CULTURALLY. WE'VE MONITORED OTHER SENIOR LIVING PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, AND WE'VE HEARD WHAT YOU WANTED. WE UNDERSTAND YOU DO SEE VALUE AS SENIOR LIVING, AND YOU DO WANT IT ON THE 114 CORRIDOR. AND WE LISTENED AND WE FOUND THAT LOCATION. WE THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THAT BLENDS BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE IN A LOCATION YOU WANT NEXT TO OTHER PROJECTS OF SIMILAR SCALE AND TOUCH. MARK DOES NEED SENIOR LIVING. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE ABOUT 1600 PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 75. IN 2030, THAT'S GOING TO BE 2350 AND IN SORRY AND IN 50 YEARS SORRY. IN 30 YEARS, THAT'S GOING TO BE OVER 7000. WE ALL KNOW THE SENIOR COHORT IS GROWING FAST IN THE UNITED STATES. IT'S GROWING FAST IN TEXAS, AND IN SOUTHLAKE, YOU'RE GROWING 20% FASTER THAN THE REST OF TEXAS. AND SENIORS RIGHT NOW IN SOUTHLAKE ARE STAYING IN THEIR 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, WITH 1 OR 2 PEOPLE LIVING IN 3 OR 4 BEDROOMS, AND THAT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SUITED FOR A VIBRANT SOUTHLAKE FAMILY. AND OUR SOUTHLAKE SENIORS ARE PROUD, JUST LIKE YOU ARE. THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE FROM SOUTHLAKE AND THIS IS A. THIS PROJECT WILL GIVE THEM A POTENTIAL TO STAY IN THEIR HOME THAT THEY LOVE SO MUCH. CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO SENIOR LIVING OPTION IN SOUTHLAKE THAT PROVIDES THE CONTINUUM OF CARE THAT MARCUS DESCRIBED. IF A SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT WANTS THAT, THEY HAVE TO LEAVE SOUTHLAKE TOUCH. MARK WILL BRING VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC COMPARED TO OTHER USES AND ALMOST NO CRIME. WE WILL HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LOADS ON THE PARKS AND SCHOOLS. WE WILL BRING THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT A FOR PROFIT COMPANY WILL PROVIDE ON A VALUE BASED OF. A PROJECT OF THIS CALIBER, WILL BE A COMMUNITY BUSINESS PARTNER FOR SOUTHLAKE IN THE YEARS TO COME. AND WE HAVE VERY ENGAGED RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING AND GIVING BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY. [02:40:01] THEY LOVE. OUR PROJECT IS DESIGNED FOR A SENIOR POPULATION WHO HAS GOTTEN USED TO THE BEST LIFE IN SOUTHLAKE, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE. THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THAT GRAPHIC BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE IT GOT A LITTLE CORRUPTED, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A REALLY CLEAR OVERVIEW. WHAT HAPPENED HERE? LET'S SEE. I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THAT. SO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU QUICKLY, BUT JUST DON'T LOOK AT THAT SCREEN ABOUT THE, THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. WATER MAYOR AT SOUTHLAKE. WATER MIRROR AT THE PRESERVE CONSERVATIVE, KELLER TOWN CENTER, SOLSTICE AND ATRIA. YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. AND IF YOU IMAGINE THIS WAS A SITE OF ALL OF SOUTHLAKE, THEY'RE QUITE FAR AWAY FROM THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AS MARCUS SAID, WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR DEMOGRAPHICS THAT HE SHARED WITH YOU. OUR BUSINESS IS SENIOR LIVING. IT'S NOT ACTIVE ADULT AND IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY. OUR AVERAGE AGE IS 75, AND THAT'S WHO WE WILL SERVE. AS WE STEP THROUGH THE PROJECT DETAILS, YOU'LL SEE WHY TOUCHMARK IS DIFFERENT THAN THOSE TYPE OF PRODUCTS. OUR DEDICATION TO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, AND IS SHOWN IN THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND THESE WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH CAROL ISD AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND WE HAVE MET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE KEY CHANGE THAT WE MADE. WE ARE HAVING RESIDENTS IN OUR INDEPENDENT LIVING THAT ARE 62 OR OVER. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WHEN WE SAID ONE RESIDENT COULD BE 55 AND UP, SO WE'VE CHANGED THAT IN OUR ZONING REGULATION. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO LET SIOBHAN FARVARDIN COME IN AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT. OH, ACTUALLY, DO YOU OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT? CURTIS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANKS. HI. AS KENDRA SAID, WE'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO PREVIOUS PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO SOUTHLAKE. AND WE HEARD THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SAY THAT WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR SENIOR LIVING, BUT THAT LOCATION, BEING RIGHT NEXT TO A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL WAS NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION. AND I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS IT OUGHT TO BE OUT IN THE 114 CORRIDOR. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE 114 CORRIDOR AND WE'RE CALLING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF. 114 THE AREA BETWEEN 114 THE FREEWAY AND KIRKWOOD, WHICH BASICALLY PARALLELS. 114 THE AREA BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS PRETTY MUCH A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY UP THE NORTH SIDE OF 114. THIS SEEMS TO US TO BE A PERFECT SITE. IT'S IN THAT CORRIDOR. IT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S IT'S DOESN'T HAVE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY LIKE THE OTHER ONE DID. AND IT STILL LEAVES A COMMERCIAL SITE AT THE CORNER OF CARROLL AND 114 FOR FUTURE SALES TAX GENERATING COMMERCIAL USES THERE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A WHICH WOULD BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THIS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. HERE'S THE KIND OF AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING DOWN THAT CORRIDOR. THIS IS CAROL HERE. CEDAR RIDGE OFFICE PARK WHERE I OFFICE FOR 20 YEARS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THIS IS THE SCHOOL PROPERTY HERE. THE WEST END YOU CAN SEE OVER IN HERE AND KIRKWOOD AS IT GOES ALONG THERE. GATEWAY CHURCH IN THE BACKGROUND AND OF COURSE SOUTHLAKE TOWN SQUARE AND THE THE GRANITE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE FREEWAY ACROSS THE STREET THERE. AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS THE SITE. IT'S 280FT FROM THE CORNER OF CAROL AND. 114 AND THIS SITE IS RETAIL COMMERCIAL. IGNORE THAT SAYS THERE'S AN EXISTING OFFICE HERE, BUT THE REST OF THIS IS DESIGNATED AS RETAIL, COMMERCIAL AND COULD DEVELOP AS SUCH IN THE FUTURE. AND BECAUSE IT'S A BETTER SITE FOR RETAIL ON THE CORNER, AND IT WOULD BE VERY COMPLEMENTARY TO THIS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ADJACENT TO THE SIX STORY WESTIN HERE. GATEWAY CHURCH. THERE ARE THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING HERE. UNDEVELOPED GATEWAY CHURCH PROPERTY HERE. RESIDENTIAL IS OFF TO OUR NORTHEAST. THE RESTORATION CHURCH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND OTHER OFFICES AROUND HERE. WE HAVE PURPOSELY CHOSEN NOT TO ENTER OR EXIT ONTO KIRKWOOD ROAD HERE. [02:45:04] ALL OUR ENTRANCES ARE EITHER FROM CARROLL. THERE'S ONE FROM CARROLL AND TWO FROM GRACE LANE. WE THINK THAT THAT THAT ORIENTS US TOWARD THE FREEWAY AND NOT TOWARD THE NORTH, WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE. THIS KIND OF TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY'RE LOSING ENROLLMENT, SCHOOL POPULATION. THAT'S WHY THIS IS AN UNDERUTILIZED SITE. WE ALL KNOW SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS ARE AGING IN PLACE. THIS IS NOT FOR WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK OF, WELL, IS THIS AN EMPTY NESTER APARTMENT? NO. EMPTY NESTERS OR PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, WHOSE KIDS HAVE GROWN UP AND GONE, THAT ARE MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR A MORE LOCK AND LEAVE PLACE. THIS IS FOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WHEN, AS MARCUS SAID RESIDENTS HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WANT TO STAY HERE, BUT THEY NEED MORE HELP. THEY DON'T EVEN WANT THE LOCK AND LEAVE THING. AND BY GIVING THEM A PLACE TO MOVE. I THINK THAT THAT WILL OPEN UP FAMILY HOMES FOR FAMILIES WITH STUDENTS. HOPEFULLY WHAT WE ARE OFFERING IS A MIX OF LIVING OPTIONS AND, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN BE CUSTOMIZED TO THE RESIDENT THAT COMES HERE BASED UPON THEIR ABILITIES AND THEIR INDEPENDENT LEVEL, ANYWHERE FROM COURTYARD VILLAS, WHICH ARE SINGLE STORY ATTACHED COURTYARD RESIDENCES TO THE RESIDENCE FLATS, WHICH ARE THREE STORIES, TEN UNITS PER BUILDING ON THAT, BOTH APART FROM THE CENTRAL BUILDING AND THE INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH, IN ADDITION TO HAVING MULTIPLE FLOORS OF LIVING UNITS, HAS THE MAJORITY OF THE INDOOR AMENITIES AND SERVICE AREAS THAT THESE SENIORS ARE HERE TO UTILIZE ON SITE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE SITE TO FROM SOCIAL TO DINING TO FITNESS TO SHARED MOMENTS TO YOU KNOW, LIVING IN AN ELEVATED LIFESTYLE IS WHAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS. AND THAT'S THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE SEPARATE BUILDINGS WOULD WOULD BE CLOSE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT CLOSENESS IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND OF COURSE, AS MARCUS ALWAYS ALSO SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE COUPLES, ONE HAS MORE INDEPENDENCE THAN OTHERS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE LIVING IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING AREA THEN NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE ASSISTED LIVING OR EVEN THE MEMORY SUPPORT. AND THAT'S ALL ON THE CAMPUS AND WILL ALL BE AVAILABLE TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS CONTINUUM OF CARE TO BE ALL IN ONE LOCATION AND PROVIDE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT LIVING OPPORTUNITIES AND ALL THE AMENITIES AND SERVICE AND FOOD AND, YOU KNOW, LIFESTYLE TYPE SPACES FOR THEM TO HAVE A FULL LIFE FROM I'D LIKE TO BRING SIOBHAN UP WITH US TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN GO AHEAD. SIOBHAN FARVARDIN, HKS ARCHITECTS, 350 NORTH SAINT PAUL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. THANK YOU. CURTIS. DENNIS TOUCHED ON THIS BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE. I'LL JUST ORIENTATE YOU REAL QUICK. WE HAVE NORTH CARROLL AVENUE RIGHT HERE AND EAST HIGHLAND STREET RUNNING INTO KIRKWOOD AND THEN GRACE LANE. THIS IS THE FULL SITE BUILD OUT. YOU'RE SEEING ALL PHASES RIGHT HERE. WE'LL GET INTO DIFFERENT TOPOLOGIES RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A COURTYARD VILLAS. THESE ARE ONE STORY RANGING IN SIZE OF 1800FT². THERE ARE NINE UNITS TOTAL. A TOTAL OF THREE BUILDINGS. EACH BUILDING WILL HAVE THREE UNITS. AND THEN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS MOOD IMAGE OVER HERE, THEY'LL BE SURROUNDED BY A COURTYARD. SO A LOT OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITY RIGHT THERE. THEY'LL FEEL VERY HIGH END AS FAR AS VERY RELATABLE TO WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. THEN MOVING ALONG TO OUR RESIDENT FLATS. THESE ARE THREE STORY BUILDINGS. THERE ARE FOUR THAT ARE GROUPED TOGETHER IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CLUSTER. THESE ARE RANGING IN SIZE OF 2000FT². THERE'S TEN UNITS PER BUILDING. 40 TOTAL IN FULL BUILD OUT. EACH BUILDING WILL HAVE ITS OWN TUCK IN GARAGES. SO YOU TUCK IN UNDERNEATH A BUILDING. THEN THEY HAVE VISITOR PARKING OFF TO THE SIDE. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR HEALTH CARE. WHAT WE CURTIS HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MARCUS AND KENDRA HAVING THE FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE IS IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF [02:50:07] THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WE HAVE A SMALL AL ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE BUILDING. THIS IS SHOWING THE FULL BUILD OUT RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE 84 AL UNITS AND 32 MEMORY SUPPORT UNITS. THE AL UNITS ARE RANGING IN SIZE OF 700FT². THE MEMORY SUPPORT IS 400FT² PLUS OR MINUS. AND THESE ARE HEAVILY AMENITIZED TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS ZONE. AND THEN FOR THE MAIN CLUBHOUSE BUILDING, THIS IS OUR INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING. HIGHLY AMENITIZED. WE HAVE A AVERAGE UNIT SIZE OF 1300FT². A TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS OF 192. WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE THE AMENITIES AND A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WANT TO PAINT A PICTURE OF JUST THE OUTSIDE FEEL OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FOR THE ARCHITECTURE. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE DID IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS IS KIND OF HOW YOU WOULD FEEL THE ARRIVAL SEQUENCE FOR AS YOU APPROACH THE BUILDING FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING. A LOT OF ENHANCED LANDSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE AREA. A VERY SOFT LIGHTING TO REALLY PROVIDE SAFETY AND ALSO ENHANCE HOSPITALITY FEEL. THERE'S ALSO INSIDE AND OUTSIDE ENGAGEMENT. THIS WOULD BE MUCH LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE NORTH EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE A TERRACE THAT WOULD SPILL OUT THAT WOULD ENGAGE ABOVE THE WELLNESS AREA TO ENGAGE WITH THE OUTSIDE AMENITIES. AND THEN JUST THE SCALE OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT. THIS JUST KIND OF BUILDS A SIZE OF QUALITY THAT YOU CAN EXPECT FOR A FULL BUILD OUT. THIS IS THE LEVEL ONE FLOOR PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN BUILDING. THIS IS THE INDEPENDENT LIVING LIFESTYLE BUILDING WHERE IT'S HEAVILY AMENITIZED. YOU'VE GOT THE CENTRAL PIECE RIGHT HERE IS WE'LL GET DIVE INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. IT'S GOT A. COMMONS FOR DINING, WELLNESS AND JUST A CLUBHOUSE FEEL. AND THEN WE HAVE THE COMMONS OVER HERE ALONG WITH THE MEMORY CARE. THIS IS JUST A BLOW UP OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING GROUND FLOOR. YOU CAN SEE AS YOU ENTER THE LOBBY, THERE IS A SPILL OUT AREA TO A HIGHLY AMENITIZED LIVING LOUNGE AREA. GREAT ROOM. THERE'S GAMES, GAME PARLOR, A GOLF SWING SIMULATOR. THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, WE HAVE PRIVATE DINING AND INDEPENDENT LIVING DINING. THIS IS ALL SUPPORTED BY A KITCHEN THAT WILL SERVE BOTH THE INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING. AND THEN THERE'S A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM FOR GUEST LECTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HELP SOCIALIZE AND CREATE ACTIVITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE. JUST AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOK AND FEEL WOULD BE FOR THE LOBBY AND RECEPTION. WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THAT. THIS WOULD BE KIND OF THE ENTRY FOR THE RECEPTION AREA. AND THEN LOOKING PAST BEYOND THE RECEPTION AREA, YOU WOULD SEE KIND OF SOFT LOUNGE LIVING AREA. THEN LOOKING AT A CULINARY EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE CHARLIE'S. THIS IS A BRAND THAT IS CARRIED THROUGH MANY OF TOUCH MARK'S COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THIS IS A FUN PLACE WHERE GUESTS CAN COME AND PLAY MUSIC FOR THE RESIDENTS AND HAVE A HOPPIN TIME THERE. AND THEN SOCIAL, WE HAVE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SWING SUITE FOR THE GOLF SIMULATOR, POOL TABLES AND ART STUDIOS AND CARD GAMES, AND THEN THE LOWER LEVEL WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THE GARAGE EXPOSED WITH HEADLIGHTS AND LIGHTS LIKE THAT. SO WE, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO THERE IS LINE IT WITH A WELLNESS AMENITY THAT REALLY ENGAGES THE LANDSCAPE. AND WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS ALSO ENGAGE A FIRE LANE AROUND THAT TO PROTECT THE BUILDING. SO HAVING THAT AMENITY AT THE GROUND LEVEL WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AS AN INSIDE OUTSIDE CONNECTION AND ALSO COVER THAT PARKING GARAGE THAT WE'RE KEEPING MOST OF THE CARS FOR THE RESIDENTS BELOW GRADE. NOT ON A SURFACE JUST, JUST TO LOOK AND FEEL FOR THE WELLNESS. IT WILL, WE WILL HAVE AN INDOOR POOL THERE WILL BE A YOGA STUDIO AND FITNESS AREA. SO THAT WAS JUST A LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT WE ARE DEVELOPING, STARTING TO DEVELOP AS FAR AS THE AMENITIES AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT AND HOW THAT IS SO VERY DIFFERENT FROM A MULTIFAMILY FEEL. THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE IS JUST DEMONSTRATING EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE DRAGON FIELD FOOTBALL FIELD. THIS IS JUST DEMONSTRATING HOW FAR THIS IS THE CENTERPIECE OF THE BUILDING FROM CARROLL AVENUE. SO JUST OVER 365FT. AND THEN THIS NEXT SLIDE JUST IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR TOUCH MARK TO MAKE SURE THAT AS [02:55:04] THEY BUILD THE COMMUNITY THAT IT'S IT, IT RENTS APPROPRIATELY ACROSS THE SITE. SO THEY APPROACH IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WILL BE PHASED. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE THAT WILL BECOME IN A FUTURE PHASE WHERE WE HAVE A NICE GREEN LAWN THAT WILL BE SITUATED IN PHASE ONE. AND THEN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOMES, WE WILL ONLY BUILD OUT TWO, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A FUTURE PHASE ONE TO STABILIZE TO BUILD OUT THE NEXT 20 UNITS THERE. AND THEN THE SAME WITH THIS WING OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNIT. THAT WILL BE A FUTURE PHASE. AND THERE'S THE FULL BUILD OUT RIGHT THERE. THIS IS JUST A LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT IT WOULD FEEL LIKE AS A BIRD FLIES FROM CARROLL AVENUE. YOU SEE THE VILLA, ONE STORY VILLA RIGHT HERE, THE HARDSCAPE KIND OF ARRIVAL SEQUENCE OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING RIGHT HERE. THEN THIS IS THE NORTH NORTH EAST FACING. SO YOU SEE THE POOL ON THE LOWER LEVEL. THIS IS ACTUALLY A FIRE LANE RIGHT HERE. BUT WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A WOONERF AND MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. SO IT WOULD ONLY BE UTILIZED IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY OR FOR TRAINING PURPOSES. BUT IT'S REALLY SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN USE THIS AS A NATURE TRAIL AND ENGAGEMENT FROM THE WELLNESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FLATS. THIS IS AN AERIAL. YOU CAN SEE THE WESTIN IN THE BACKGROUND OVER HERE. THIS IS HIGHLAND AND CAROL AVENUE. AND THEN THE WESTIN HERE IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING NORTHWEST. AND THEN I'M GOING TO PASS IT TO KENDRA TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY HERE. I WANT TO POP IN HERE BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY BUFF, AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HOW EACH ONE OF OUR TOUCHMARK COMMUNITIES IS DEVELOPED FOR THAT COMMUNITY. NOT ONLY THE LOOK AND THE FEEL, BUT WHAT THAT RESIDENT WANTS. THIS PICTURE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT IS ACTUALLY FROM OUR PROJECT IN PORTLAND, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED ON A FORMER SITE THAT WAS A BUNCH OF SWEDISH FARMERS. I USED TO BE CALLED SWEET VILLE, AND WE GOT TO KNOW THE RESIDENTS, THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE HOMES AND THOSE THOSE THAT FORMAL FORMER AGRICULTURAL AREA AND ACTUALLY CREATED THE STORY. SO THIS IS THIS IS OUR PUB THAT IS IN THAT COMMUNITY. WE ACTUALLY THOSE ARE THE, THE RESIDENTS THERE WITH THE SWEET SIGN IS IS, ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVED THERE. AND SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY NOW ARE PART OF OUR TOUCHMARK COMMUNITY. SO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT LOCATION TO CAROL ISD AND THE HISTORY OF SOUTHLAKE. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE TO GATHER THIS HISTORY. THIS PICTURE ON THE BEHIND IT IS THE CORNER OF CAROLINE, CAROL AND HIGHLAND. WE HAVE THIS GREAT GREEN PUBLIC SPACE THAT WE CAN REALLY SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY UTILIZE THE THE BRICK WORK FROM THAT FORMAL. CAROL ISD UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T THINK THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE SAVED IF. CAROL ISD AND SOMEONE WANTED TO RELOCATE IT, BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR SENIOR LIVING. BUT IF NOT, I THINK WE CAN DO A GREAT A GREAT SERVICE TO THE HISTORY OF CAROL ISD AND SOUTHLAKE AND CREATING THIS LITTLE PARK AREA FOR EVERYONE TO USE. WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO COY HILL. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REST OF THE LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPE. HI, I'M COY TALLEY WITH TALLEY, 3301 ELM STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. SO WE'LL OPEN UP ON KIND OF THE EDGE CONDITION AND THE PRESERVE AREA THAT, THAT WE'RE CALLING IT KIRKWOOD. THIS IS THE EXISTING TREE AND FORESTATION, AND THIS IS ABOUT TWO ACRES THAT WE WILL KEEP INTACT. AND THEN THIS IS THE CANOPY AS YOU SEE IT, ALONG THE PEDESTRIAN ROUTE ON KIRKWOOD. AS WE SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE KEPT THE PLANTING AND THE OUTLINE OF THE TREES EXACTLY THE SAME. SO THIS IS THE SAME VIEW WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AS SHOWN FROM KIRKWOOD AT THE RIGHT ELEVATIONS, THE RIGHT HEIGHTS, EVERYTHING PROJECTED ASSOCIATED WITH THE ARCHITECTURE. THE OTHER POINT IS WE DO A LOT OF SITE PLANNING, SITE DESIGN, MASTER PLANNING WITH ARCHITECTS AND DO A LOT OF SENIOR LIVING SPECIALTY WORK. THIS FOR US. WE'VE WORKED THROUGH TEXAS, WE'RE WORKING IN PALM BEACH, WE'RE WORKING IN SCOTTSDALE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WITH SENIOR LIVING PROJECTS. THIS CLIENT WE WORK ARE WORKING FOR MARCUS. [03:00:06] KENDRA. THERE'S, THIS IS A SPECIAL GROUP AND IT'S A SPECIAL ASSET IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN SOUTHLAKE. TRUST ME, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS THIS IS, THIS IS A, A FIRST IN TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE AND THE THOUGHTFUL CARE AND DESIGN TAKEN ON THIS, ESPECIALLY FROM SIGHT AND UNDERSTANDING HOW SOUTHLAKE WORKS AND THEIR SENSITIVITY TO LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION AND DENSITY. AS A POINT OF REFERENCE WE HAVE ONE TRACK, ONE PARCEL, ONE OWNER AND IT'S ADJACENT TO 114. WE LISTENED, WE HEARD WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS ABOUT THE FOREFRONT PROPERTY AND HOW WE CARRIED THIS FORWARD. AND WE'RE DOING A WORKING IN COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE DISTRICT AS AN EXAMPLE WITHIN THAT ZONE. WE HAVE A GREAT PROPERTY, THE WESTIN HOTEL, THAT'S SP1 ZONING 6.83 ACRES. THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART. THE HEIGHT ON THIS IS 75FT, NOT 85. SORRY, BUT 115FT BUILDING HEIGHT. BUT IT HAS 17% PERVIOUS COVERAGE. OPEN SPACE, 17% TWO TREE PRESERVATION IS 0% OF THAT WHOLE TRACT. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL. IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR PARCEL. I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT. WE HAVE AN OVERALL OPEN SPACE OF 45% USABLE OPEN SPACE AT 37 PERVIOUS COVERAGE OF 46% BUILDING COVERAGE OF 25%. THIS IS JUST VERY MUCH UNHEARD OF. THE WESTIN HAD 400 CARS PARKED ON 6.83 ACRES. WE HAVE 419 CARS PARKED 63% IN STRUCTURED PARKING OR GARAGE PARKING. THE REST IS ON SURFACE. AND 52% OF THE EXISTING TREES ON SITE WILL BE PRESERVED. AND ADDITIONALLY, WE WILL PLANT 1400 TREES OF SOME 4000 CALIPER INCHES. SO THAT ADD ANOTHER 50% ADDITIONAL TO, TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITHIN 20 YEARS. SO WE'RE, WHILE WE DIDN'T MEET THE TYPICAL ORDINANCE OF THE 20% IT FAR EXCEEDS WHAT, WHAT WOULD A TYPICAL ORDINANCE BE. AND THESE ARE QUALITY TREES AND PLANTING. ADDITIONALLY, IN RESPONSE TO THIS OPEN SPACE, WE HAVE 19 COURTYARDS AND THEN A PRIMARY COURTYARD AS A GREEN ROOF OF ALMOST A THIRD OF AN ACRE. WE HAVE A QUARTER MILE WALKING TRAILS, WE HAVE GROWING GARDENS. WE HAVE PICKLEBALL VERY MUCH ACTIVE USES. A COURTYARDS ARE INSIDE OUTSIDE RELATIONSHIPS. A LOT OF TIMES IN THE SUMMER PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T USE COURTYARDS. WE DO HERE BECAUSE YOU SEE THEM INSIDE OR WORK WITH THE INTERIOR ARCHITECTURE AND THE ARCHITECTURE. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE DINING AREAS, DOG AREAS, BOCCE BALL WONDER GARDENS, GROWING GARDENS. PERIMETER EDGES. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT WE PROPOSE ALONG NORTH CAROLINA. AND THESE ARE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE DONE ON ANOTHER PROJECT, A MIXTURE OF EVERGREEN DECIDUOUS PLANTING 25 TO 30FT TALL UPON INSTALLATION. THEY'RE NOT TWO INCH TREES. THEY'RE NOT THREE INCH TREES. THEY'RE 35 FOOT TALL TREES. ADDITIONALLY, AS IT RELATES TO. CIRCULATION, NORTH CAROLINA GUESTS AND RESIDENTS ENTER PRIMARILY ON NORTH CAROLINA, AND THEY HAVE. PARK EITHER ON THE NORTH SIDE ALONG KIRKWOOD IN THAT PARKING GARAGE. AGAIN, NO ACCESS OFF OF KIRKWOOD OR HIGHLAND, ARE THEY? COME BACK TO THE SOUTH AND ENTER THE MAIN GARAGE FOR THE I L RIGHT. TO THE SOUTH OF THAT AND THEN THE FLATS. THEY ALSO WILL GO ON GRACE LANE. SO RESIDENTS IN THE PARKING OFTENTIMES WILL EXIT OFF OF GRACE LANE. ALEX WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY. THE OTHER ADDITION TO THIS IS THAT SERVICE IS SEPARATED FROM GUEST AND RESIDENT EXPERIENCE. [03:05:04] SO THEY HAVE ONE POINT OF ENTRY SERVICE AND STAFF COME IN HERE AND THEY PARK ALONG THESE EDGES. ALEX WILL PRESENT THE REST. THANK YOU. THANKS. ALEX RATHBUN KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES. ONE. THREE. FOUR. FIVE. FIVE NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. THIS IS DEFINITELY MY FAVORITE TOPIC, SO I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE WITH YOU GUYS HERE TONIGHT. WE'VE PERFORMED A TIA OR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF. I ALWAYS LIKE DOING PROJECTS THAT ARE SENIOR LIVING BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN IN POSSIBLE USES THERE IS. THIS PROJECT WOULD GENERATE 90% LESS TRAFFIC THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE DEVELOPED CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN. THIS PROJECT WOULD GENERATE 83% LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE PROPERTY'S PREVIOUS SCHOOL USE. IF OPERATIONAL ALONG THE CAROLE CORRIDOR, THIS PROJECT'S TRAFFIC REPRESENTS ONLY 2%. A GOOD QUESTION IS ALWAYS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OR WHAT DOES THAT FEEL LIKE IF I'M DRIVING ON THIS CAROL INTERSECTION. THIS PROJECT ADDS LESS THAN A SECOND OF DELAY THAT YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE AS A DRIVER AT EACH INTERSECTION ON CAROL. WE ALSO HEARD THE RESIDENTS, THE COMMISSIONERS, COUNCIL, MEMBERS. AND WE ARE NOW PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN LANE AT CAROL AND HIGHLAND KIRKWOOD NORTHBOUND. WE'LL SHOW YOU A MORE BLOWN UP VERSION OF THAT HERE IN A SECOND AT OUR SITE DRIVEWAY OFF CAROL. WE ARE WELL BELOW THE CITY WARRANTS FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE. WE HAD LOOKED AT THIS, AND WE ARE A LITTLE LESS THAN 50% OF WHAT WOULD EVEN POTENTIALLY WARRANT. SO WE THINK THE VALUE HERE IS THAT NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE AT EAST HIGHLAND KIRKWOOD. WE ALSO HEARD WE ALSO HEARD YOU ON FAVORING GRACE LANE. WE'VE CHANGED OUR DISTRIBUTION AND UPDATED OUR TATIA WITH STAFF ACCORDINGLY TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS AND REQUIRE STAFF TO ENTER OFF GRACELAND. THIS IS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT 5050 SPLIT. WHILE I PERSONALLY AND MORE FORMAL TRAFFIC STUDIES ALWAYS HAVE TO GENERALLY FAVOR DISTRIBUTION AND LARGER ARTERIALS SUCH AS CAROL, A LOT OF FOLKS, INCLUDING ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT MAY. OFFICE JUST WEST OF CAROL SAYS THAT IT IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO CONTINUE EAST THE MILE HIT THE KIMBALL TEXAS U-TURN AND COME UP. GRACE. SO OPERATIONALLY, I THINK AS FOLKS LEARN HOW TO DRIVE AROUND HERE AND OPERATE AND GET TO THE SITE. GRACE IS GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE ATTRACTIVE AND DISFAVOR. CAROL AS PART OF OUR TIA, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS ENGINEERS USES A GRADING SYSTEM. THIS GRADING SYSTEM IS CALLED LEVEL OF SERVICE. THIS RANKS IT AT A THROUGH F. THIS. THIS LOOKS AT WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT INTERSECTIONS BEFORE AND AFTER DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TIA. THERE IS ZERO DECLINE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE SURROUNDING INTERSECTIONS. I WANTED TO QUICKLY SPEAK ON PARKING AND EVEN SOME JOHNSON ELEMENTARY. I'M GONNA SAY NOT OVERLAP. SO COY DID A GREAT JOB WALKING THROUGH WHERE SOME OF THE PARKING IS. SOME OF IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A Y, SO 63% PART. THIS OBVIOUSLY ACCOUNTS FOR BOTH RESIDENTS WHO MAY WANT TO, MAY WANT TO DRIVE, MAY WANT TO JUST LOOK AT THEIR CAR, MAY WANT TO PARK A CAR OR TWO. THIS ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR AN OVERLAP AND OVERLAP IN SHIFT CHANGES. WE NEED THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN A PARKING SPOT BEFORE THE PREVIOUS SHIFT LEAVES, AND OBVIOUSLY GUESTS. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE AS MUCH GUESTS AS POSSIBLE A POTENTIAL. THIS ACTUALLY IS THE SHIFT SCHEDULE FROM THE TOUCH MARK IN MCKINNEY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S OVERLAID ON THE JOHNSON ELEMENTARY DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES. AND THE STAFF SCHEDULE ITSELF DOES NOT OVERLAP WITH WHAT WE KNOW. ARE THOSE PEAK TIMES ON CARROLL. WE WANT TO DO A QUICK BLOW UP HERE OF THE PROPOSED RIGHT TURN LANE. THIS PROVIDES OVER 150FT OF STORAGE AGAIN. ARCH. YOU KNOW THE EXISTING TRAFFIC WOULD BENEFIT THIS FOR THE MOST. OUR PROPOSED TRAFFIC WOULDN'T COME CLOSE TO WARRANTING THIS RIGHT TURN LANE HERE. FLIPPING OVER TO DRAINAGE. WE ARE EXCEEDING CODE AND OVER DETAINING ON SITE. OUR DETENTION ALL ON SITE WILL REDUCE PEAK RUNOFF BY APPROXIMATELY 17%. THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT EVEN COMPARED TO TO THE CONDITION TODAY. WE'RE ACHIEVING THIS LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT IN A COMBINATION OF BOTH BELOW GRADE AND AT GRADE DETENTION, USING THESE HIGHLY DESIGNED DETENTION BASINS THAT ESSENTIALLY TIE INTO THE LANDSCAPE. SOME KIND OF INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES. THE TOP RIGHT USING NATIVE MATERIALS TO WHERE WHEN DRY, REALLY LOOKS LIKE A HIGHLY AMENITIZED PART OF THE LANDSCAPE ITSELF. WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING DRAINAGE ISSUES NORTHEAST NORTHEAST OF THIS PROPERTY UNRELATED TO THIS PROJECT, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE IMPROVED WITH A REGIONAL DETENTION SOLUTION. THIS REGIONAL DETENTION SOLUTION WOULD HAVE TO INVOLVE MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS AND THE CITY. [03:10:01] SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING CASE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY CONCEPTUALLY STUDIED A REGIONAL SOLUTION AND SPEAKING WITH A HANDFUL OF NEIGHBORS, WE WOULD BE HAPPY AND WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK SEPARATELY AND COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY AND LANDOWNERS ON SAID REGIONAL SOLUTION. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO WRAP IT UP. THANK YOU EVERYONE. I HOPE A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED AND YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA NOW OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TODAY. THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SLIDE TO REMIND YOU OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAW EARLIER. WE ARE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO ALL OF US TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF FOLKS OVER THE LAST MANY MONTHS, AND WE'RE PROUD TO SAY THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WRITTEN IN ON THIS ARE IN FAVOR OF IT. AND I THINK THAT IS A RESULT OF TALKING TO THEM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR ISSUES WERE AND, AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE. SO ANYWAY, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. STAND READY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CURTIS. APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. I'LL OPEN IT UP. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR A PARTICULAR PERSON, YOU MIGHT NOT REMEMBER THEIR NAME, BUT CURTIS COULD PROBABLY FIND THE RIGHT PERSON. BUT I'LL OPEN UP TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS OR ANYONE ON THE TEAM. AND I HAD A QUESTION FOR PRESIDENT, CAMBRIAN OR CURTIS. YOU CAN ANSWER IT. BUT SINCE CAM'S HERE AND HE WAS ALREADY UP HERE ALREADY, IT'S PRETTY QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. AND THEN IF ANYBODY ELSE I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD JUST GO LIKE BY PERSON. BY PERSON MAYBE. COULD WE JUST START BACK IN ORDER? SURE. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE TEAM. SO CAM, JUST AGAIN, FAST QUESTION FOR YOU. THE CURRENT ZONING IS C S COMMUNITY SERVICE, RIGHT? IF IF THIS WERE SOLD TODAY AS A SCHOOL, WOULD IT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT C ISD OR DECREASE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT C ISD? IF WE SOLD IT AS A SCHOOL AS AS CAROL ISD, OR IF YOU TOOK THIS PROPERTY TOMORROW AND PUT IT UP FOR BID AND THAT PROPERTY WENT FOR SALE AND A SCHOOL BOUGHT IT. SINCE IT'S NOT C ISD, WOULD THAT DECREASE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT C ISD? WOULD YOU BE COMPETING WITH ANOTHER SCHOOL? YOU WOULD THINK SO. YES. THANKS. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I HAD. THAT'S IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S OPEN IT UP. MAYBE START IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS OR AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T RECALL THE NAMES OF THE FOLKS. I THINK CURTIS CAN FIND THE RIGHT PERSON, DEPENDING ON THE QUESTION. BUT, GARY, I THINK CURTIS CAN PROBABLY ANSWER 1 OR 2 THAT I'VE GOT. CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS? YES. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? YES. WE WERE JUST WE WROTE THAT RESTRICTION IN THERE TO ALIGN WITH THE NORMAL RESTRICTION, AS DENNIS WAS SAYING, OF, OF LOWER THINGS. THE 86FT IS TO THE TOP OF THE CENTER AREA THERE THAT SHIELDS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN GO HIGHER THAN THAT. THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THAT THERE. THE, I THINK THE, THE ELEVATION OF. ACTUALLY, THE TOP FLOOR IS DOWN TO THE 70S SOMEWHERE. SO IF WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, I'LL JUST PULL IT DOWN. GO AHEAD. YES. YEAH. THIS THIS DRAWING SHOWS THAT THE MAIN. THIS IS THE, THE TALLEST PART OF THE BUILDING HERE, THE DARKER BLUE. AND FROM THE FRONT, AT 66FT HIGH. AND FROM THE REAR, IT'S 73FT HIGH. AND IT'S JUST THE MECHANICAL SCREENING AND A LITTLE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT GOES UP ABOVE THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT ANY LIVE LIVING OR OCCUPIED SPACE HERE. AND THEN THERE'S ELEVATORS HERE AND HERE. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, IT GOES DOWN TO A, IN THE 60S AT EITHER END HERE. DOESN'T YOUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATION ALLOW UP TO 86FT? WELL, I THINK THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED ARE LABELED AND DIMENSIONED, AND THEY'RE PART, OF COURSE, OF THE OF THE SUBMITTAL. AND I THINK THEY WOULD THEY WOULD APPLY IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE REGULATION TO SAY, THE 73 WITH THE OTHER PART, WE ADDED, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT TO ASSURE YOU OF. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER FEELING FOR HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS ARE AND THEIR SCREENING ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE. THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M ASKING. THIS. THIS DRAWING INDICATES THE HEIGHTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT ROOFS. [03:15:07] I'M GOING TO ASK DIRECTOR KILLOUGH IF HE'S GOT THIS. THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION HANDY. WHAT IS WHAT ARE THEY? WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS THEY'RE ASKING FOR? HAVE IN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, IT'S SHOWING A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 90FT, THEIR ACTUAL BUILDING HEIGHT MEASURING TO THE ELEVATOR SHAFT AND MECHANICAL STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE CLUB HOUSE BUILDING IS AT 86FT AND SOME A LITTLE MORE THAN 86. SO THEIR HEIGHT IS JUST OVER 86FT. CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD BE THOSE GRAY AREAS THAT YOU'RE POINTING TO. JUST TO TRY TO ADD SOME HELP. IT'S 15FT FOR MECHANICALS. SO IT'S BUILDING HEIGHT PLUS 12 TO 15FT FROM MECHANICAL. I WANTED TO KNOW IF THE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING 15FT IS GOING TO GO ON TOP OF THE 86. NO, NO, 86 IS THE HEIGHT. THE WAY THEY'VE WRITTEN THIS. IT SAYS IT'S 73 PLUS, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 15. ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE YOUNG LADY STANDING NEXT TO YOU. ON THE VILLAS IN THE FLATS. AND MAYBE AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A SCREEN THAT SHOWS THIS. IT WENT RATHER QUICKLY WHERE THE GARAGE IS FACING THE GARAGE. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL THE FLATS AND THE VILLAS, SORRY, THE FLATS AND THE VILLAS. AND THAT WHAT YOU CALL THOSE THINGS. OH THE FLATS. THEY'RE FACING. SO THIS ALLEYWAY RIGHT HERE, THEY'RE FACING EACH OTHER ALONG HERE. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY OR FOR THE TRIPLEXES RIGHT HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FACING CAROL AVENUE. WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE FEATURE HERE THAT'S COVERING THAT UP. OKAY. IS THAT WALL FOUNTAIN ON YOUR PLANS? IS IT SHOWING IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS? IS IT SHOWN IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS? IT'S SHOWN IN ELEVATIONS. YES. THE WALL FOUNTAIN IS OKAY. CORRECT. I THINK THOSE ARE MY MAIN QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. RANDY. JUST. WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION HERE? LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING FIRST? WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR TIME FRAME? WELL, ALL OF PHASE ONE WOULD BE BUILT FIRST. WHAT IS PHASE ONE? PHASE ONE IS. LET ME GO BACK. LOOK LIKE ALMOST EVERYTHING BUT THE T. THIS IS PHASE ONE HERE. THESE TWO DRAWINGS SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. PHASE ONE INCLUDES ALL NINE OF THE VILLAS. HERE IT INCLUDES TWO OF THE FOUR RESIDENCE FLATS. HERE IT INCLUDES THIS PORTION OF THE MAIN CLUBHOUSE BUILDING AND INCLUDES A LITTLE OVER HALF OF THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE BUILDING HERE, AND ALL OF THE COMMON AREA IN BETWEEN HERE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE IN PHASE TWO IS AN ADDITION TO THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE HERE. TWO MORE OF THE RESIDENT FLATS HERE AND ANOTHER WING ON THE ASSISTED MAIN ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING THAT WOULD COME OUT HERE. SO THIS IS PHASE ONE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. THIS WOULD BE EVERYTHING. SO WITH PHASE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY NINE. I'M GOING TO CALL THEM HOUSES 20 FLATS. YES. 42 MEMORY CARE ASSISTED LIVING. AND HOW DO YOU SPLIT THAT UP. IS IT GOING TO BE 2020 OR IS IT GOING TO BE 1030 BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE 16 MEMORY CARE PERIOD OUT OF 357 UNITS? 32 THAT SEEMS TO BE ASSISTED. PHASE TWO ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE IS 16 MEMORY CARE AND 16 ASSISTED LIVING. SO A TOTAL OF 32. PHASE ONE IS YOU MEAN PHASE TWO. WHAT'S PHASE 58. 58. ASSISTED LIVING IN 32. MEMORY CARE. SLASH. MEMORY. SUPPORT AND OUR DIFFERENT. THE DIFFERENT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. YOU SAID 58 ASSISTED LIVING. AND HOW MANY MEMORY CARE? 32. I THOUGHT YOU. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONLY 32 MEMORY CARE, I MEAN. 16 MEMORY CARE IN THE ENTIRE THING. ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE SLIDES, IT WAS VERY LIMITED. MEMORY CARE, I THINK WAS PHASE ONE WAS 16. MEMORY CARE. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN WITH PHASE TWO BECOMES 32 IT SAID EVERYTHING WAS 16. YEAH. AND SO I WANT TO BE I WANT TO BE A LITTLE CLEAR. SO WE HAVE A MEMORY CARE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S 16. WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE. AND THEN WE HAVE A THIRD ONE. THAT'S MEMORY SUPPORT. IT IS ACTUALLY CONSISTENT AS ASSISTED LIVING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE MEMORY CARE. IT'S JUST THOSE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO BE BEHIND A SECURE DOOR. [03:20:02] THEY JUST NEED A SMALLER ENVIRONMENT TO LIVE SUCCESSFULLY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS. TO OUR MEMORY CARE, AND ONE IS MEMORY SUPPORT. TWO OF THEM WILL BE BUILT IN PHASE ONE, AND ONE OF THOSE WILL BE BUILT IN PHASE TWO. OKAY. AND HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS ARE IN PHASE ONE OF BUILDING A THERE. PHASE ONE OF THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE BUILDING. BUILDING A. CAN I GO RUN AND GRAB MY NOTES? SURE. 150 UNITS. 150. YES. AND THE ADDITION. THE PHASE TWO ADDITION WOULD BE ANOTHER 42. BUT 150 IN PHASE ONE. OKAY. AND THEN. I'M GOING TO GRAB MY NOTES SO I HAVE THEM. HOW MANY UNITS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO KITCHEN. OUT OF ALL. ALL OUT OF ALL THE UNITS, THE. WE HAVE. YET 84. SO WE HAVE MEMORY CARE. THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE. 48 OR SO. THERE'S. THERE'S NOTHING IN THEM EXCEPT A BATHROOM. AND A RESIDENT LIVING AREA IS 48. AND THEN THE ASSISTED LIVING HAS A LITTLE FRIDGE FOR YOUR YOGURT AND A MICROWAVE. THAT'S NOT. THEY HAVE THREE MEALS A DAY OUTSIDE OF THAT. SO THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HEAT UP A CUP OF TEA, BUT THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A KITCHEN OR FOOD PREPARATION AREA. AND IN PHASE ONE OF THAT, WE HAVE 84, 84. IS THAT 84 TOTAL, 668 AND 16. SO 84 TOTAL. OKAY. ALL OF THE 100 ALL OF THE BUILDINGS TO BE THE MONIKERS GONE. BUT ALL THE BUILDING A HAS. EACH ROOM HAS ITS OWN KITCHEN AND ITS OWN BATHROOM AND SLEEPING AREA. BUILDING A. YES. THE. GET THE. BUILDINGS ON THERE, BUT THIS TOTAL UNIT COUNT HAS MEMORY CARE 16. IN PHASE ONE AND 16 OF PHASE TWO. THAT'S 32. AND YOU JUST REFERRED TO ANOTHER NUMBER. NOW WHERE DID THE 48 COME FROM? IT'S BECAUSE THE MEMORY SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IT'S. IT'S NOT. ARE YOU CALLING THAT ASSISTED LIVING THEN? NOT MEMORY CARE. TECHNICALLY, FOR THE LICENSE, IT'S ASSISTED LIVING, BUT THE STRUCTURE AND THE LOOK AND THE SERVICES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO MEMORY CARE. SO THERE'S NO KITCHEN IN THOSE AS WELL. SO THAT'S THE PHASE TWO OF MEMORY CARE ON YOUR PLANS. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN LET'S GO OVER THE FINANCE STRUCTURE FOR THIS DEAL WITH US. LIKE AS A I'M COMING IN WHATEVER PHASE OR LET'S SAY I'M STARTING AT THE BEGINNING AND GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE END. WALK WALK ME THROUGH THE FINANCE STRUCTURE OF THAT, HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT ALL GOES. YEAH. HI THERE. HI, RANDY. MY NAME IS MARCUS. JUST TO MAKE SURE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. RIGHT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FINANCE AND PAY TO BUILD IT, OR HOW YOU WOULD PAY TO LIVE THERE? HOW, HOW THE HOW THE RESIDENTS, HOW THE FINANCING WORKS FOR THE RESIDENTS? SURE, SURE. SO IN I'LL FIRST START BY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CREATE THE AND THINK ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF EACH TYPE OF UNIT. AND IT WORKS KIND OF LIKE A FUNNEL. WHEN WE FIRST OPEN ONE OF OUR TOUCH MARKS, WE GO TO THE MARKET WITH EVERY TYPE OF PRODUCT AVAILABLE, BUT WE DESIGN THE NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS TO BE THE LARGEST ASSISTED LIVING, TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT. MEMORY CARE SMALLER THAN THAT. AND AFTER THIS PROPERTY LEASES UP, THE BULK OF THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE WILL BE FILLED FROM PEOPLE TRANSITIONING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND REALLY, FRANKLY, NOT TOO MANY MOVEMENTS FROM THE OUTSIDE FOR THOSE PRODUCTS. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THOSE UNIT COUNTS TAPER AS YOU GET FURTHER THROUGH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE ON THE ON THE PAYMENT PORTION OF THIS, ON OUR INDEPENDENT LIVING, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO PAY FOR IT. ONE IS MONTH TO MONTH RENTAL. AND THE SECOND IS WHAT WE CALL OUR RESIDENCY DEPOSIT PLAN. I'LL DESCRIBE THAT IN A MINUTE. ON THE CARE SIDE OF IT, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE STUFF THAT THAT'S ALL MONTH TO MONTH RENTAL. I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH A FEW OF YOU BEFORE AND DESCRIBE OUR DEPOSIT PLANS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE NOW OR LATER IF YOU'D LIKE TO. BUT AT THE VERY SIMPLE CORE OF IT THE MAJORITY OF OUR INDEPENDENT LIVING HOMES WILL BE OFFERED ON THE DEPOSIT PLAN. AND MAYBE I'LL START WITH RENTAL BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER. [03:25:02] THAT'S JUST WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE SURFACE. YOU PAY A MONTHLY AMOUNT TO LIVE THERE. ON THE DEPOSIT PLAN, YOU CAN MAKE A REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT UP FRONT. THEN WE USE THAT DEPOSIT TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHICH LOWERS OUR OVERALL COST OF OPERATING. WE PASS THAT SAVINGS ON TO YOU. YOU PAY A REDUCED MONTHLY SERVICE FEE DURING YOUR TIME OF LIVING THERE WHEN YOU MOVE OUT OF THAT HOME. WE REMARKET THAT HOME WHEN THE NEXT PARTY PAYS IN. THAT'S WHAT FUNDS YOUR REFUND. WORKS VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR OWN HOME IN THAT YOU BUY IT AND THEN WHEN YOU EXIT LATER, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO TAKE OVER THAT HOME AND COME UP WITH THE MONEY. THAT'S THE SOURCE OF THE REFUND FOR YOU. THIS IS A VERY USEFUL TOOL FOR A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS OWN THEIR HOMES OUTRIGHT, SO THAT EQUITY IS WORKING FOR THEM IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S PROVIDING THEM A LOWER COST OF HOUSING IN THE SENSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING THEIR MORTGAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS PAY THEIR SELL THEIR HOMES WHEN THEY'RE MOVING TO TOUCHMARK, AND MANY OF THEM REALLY LIKE TO USE THE CASH THEY GET FROM SELLING THEIR HOME TO MAKE THAT REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE MONTHLY AMOUNT THAT THEY PAY TO LIVE AT TOUCHMARK. YOU BALLPARK FOR ME, LIKE IF I'M MOVING INTO E, IF I'M MOVING INTO YOUR NINE HOUSES, I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR HIGHEST, HIGHEST PRICE POINT. YEAH. I MEAN, SO BALLPARK IT FOR ME. SURE. THE INDEPENDENT LIVING RENT ON THIS PROJECT AND THESE ARE NOT SET IN STONE YET. THIS IS STILL A NUMBER OF YEARS FROM BEING FINISHED. BUT LET'S USE SOME ROUGH NUMBERS HERE WOULD RANGE FROM MAYBE A LOW OF 7000 TO A HIGH OF 16,000 A MONTH. THAT IS, IF THEY JUST STRAIGHT RENTED. THAT WOULD BE RENTED. YES, THAT IS ALL INCLUSIVE FOR FOR ALL THE THINGS YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE AS YOU AS YOU LIVE THERE, AS YOU. AND THEN ON A DEPOSIT PLAN, I COULD USE AN EXAMPLE OF PERHAPS A HOME. MAYBE IT WAS 10,000 A MONTH. THE DEPOSIT ON THAT HOME MIGHT BE $800,000. THAT WOULD LOWER YOUR MONTHLY DUE DUES FROM, SAY, ABOUT 10,000 A MONTH, DOWN TO 6000 A MONTH. AND THEN IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY TENURE AT ONE OF THOSE? YEAH, YEAH. IN OUR DEPOSIT PLAN HOMES, IT'S ABOUT SEVEN YEARS IN RENTAL INDEPENDENT LIVING. IT'S THREE AND A HALF IN THE CARE SECTIONS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE NEED MORE CARE. IF SOMEONE LIVES IN E FOR SEVEN YEARS AND THEY GAVE YOU $800,000 UP FRONT. YEP. AND DOES THAT VALUE INCREASE LIKE A HOME? OR DO THEY JUST GET IF YOU IF YOU TURN AROUND AND SELL IT TO THE NEXT PERSON FOR A MILLION. TWO, DO THEY GET ANY PORTION OF THAT OR IS IT JUST THEY GET THEIR EIGHT BACK AND THE RESIDENT RECEIVES 85% OF THEIR ORIGINAL DEPOSIT BACK. WE USE THE DELTA TO REFURBISH THE HOME AND FIX IT UP AND GET READY FOR THE NEXT THE NEXT PARTY. SO AS OPPOSED TO A HOME THAT YOU WOULD OWN, THERE ARE NO SELLING COSTS FOR YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO RE FIX THE FLOORS OR PAINT IT, OR DO ANY PLUMBING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO GET IT READY. NOR ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONS DUE OR ANYTHING, BUT YOU RECEIVE 8,085% BACK OF YOUR ORIGINAL DEPOSIT, NOT 85% BACK OF WHAT THE NEXT PERSON PAYS. 85%. SO THEY'RE LOSING 15% REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SELL IT FOR NEXT. ON THE SURFACE, ON THAT PART OF THE TRANSACTION, YES, BUT THE BREAK EVEN PERIOD FOR COMING OUT AHEAD IS 30 MONTHS. IF THEY LIVE IN THE HOME LONGER THAN 30 MONTHS. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY SAVE EVERY MONTH EXCEEDS THE 15% THAT THEY DON'T GET BACK ON THE ON THE REFUND. I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SUBJECT. SO SHE'S MY MOTHER IN LAW AS AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT? SO MY MOTHER IN LAW SELLS HER HOUSE AND LET'S SAY THE CONTRIBUTION, THE DEPOSIT. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO PAY. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION ON THIS. SO SO MY MOTHER IN LAW COULD PAY MONTHLY AT, LET'S SAY $10,000 PER MONTH BECAUSE IT'S JUST HER. EVERYTHING'S INCLUDED. SO SHE COULD PAY 10,000. SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, NOBODY, NOBODY CAN AFFORD THAT. RIGHT? SO MY MOTHER IN LAW OWNS HER HOUSE OUTRIGHT. AND DEPOSIT PLAN FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS BASED ON THE MEDIAN HOUSING VALUE IN THE AREA, IS $800,000. JUST THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE. SO SHE GIVES YOU $800,000. IS THE 800,000 SHE GIVES YOU FROM FROM HER HOME SALE. IS SHE ABLE TO BYPASS CAPITAL GAINS ON A PORTION OF THAT BY PUTTING IT IN THE DEPOSIT PROGRAM? YES OR NO? I AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT, BUT SHE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO BYPASS THE PORTION OF CAPITAL GAINS THAT WOULD BE REGULARLY AFFORDED TO HER BY THE CURRENT TAX CODE. OKAY. SHE CAN'T DO A 1031 EXCHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT INTO OWNING THIS BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T OWN IT. IT'S JUST A IT'S A FORM OF RENT REDUCTION, BUT IT EARNS A GUARANTEED 6% INTEREST PER YEAR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT IS EXEMPT. THAT IS EXEMPT FROM TAX. RIGHT. SO IN THIS CASE, THE 800,000 SHE'S GETTING $48,000 A YEAR CREDIT BACK FROM YOU GUYS, WHICH IS 4000 A MONTH. SO SHE'S ONLY PAYING 6000 A MONTH TO LIVE THERE. YES. ALL INCLUDED, NOT PAYING TEN. IT'S COMPLETELY OPTIONAL IF SHE WANTS TO DO THAT OR NOT. AND THIS IS WHY PEOPLE REALLY FAVOR THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE AS CHUCK WAS JUST SAYING, THE INTEREST RATE THAT CREDIT PEOPLE ON THEIR DEPOSIT IS 6%. AND SO THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT THEIR RENT IS REDUCED EACH MONTH AND THERE ARE NO TAXES DUE ON THAT. SO IF YOU'D TAKEN THAT SAME 800,000 AND PUT IT IN THE BANK AND EARNED, YOU KNOW, A 6% RETURN, [03:30:01] YOU'D GET A 1099 AND YOU'D PAY INCOME TAXES ON THAT. BUT IN THIS PROGRAM, THE ENTIRE AMOUNT ACCRUES TO THE BENEFIT OF REDUCING YOUR MONTHLY. AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD, ONE DAY SHE PASSES AWAY OR SHE MOVES. THEN SHE OR HER HEIRS GET 85% OF THE 800,000 BASED ON THE CURRENT VALUE. RIGHT? SO IF YOU IF YOU CAN'T RENT IT AND LET'S SAY THE VALUE HAS DROPPED TO 500,000 IN THE AREA, THEN IS THERE A LOSS OF, OF, OF, OF BASICALLY WHAT WE GAVE, WHAT SHE GAVE. YEAH. SO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOM OR MOTHER IN LAW IN THIS EXAMPLE, I CALL HER MOM. YEAH. SHE, SHE, SHE WOULD RECEIVE THE GREATER OF, OF THE RESALE PROCEEDS TO THE NEW PARTY OR 85% OF HER ORIGINAL DEPOSIT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU IT IS WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 46 YEARS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY NEVER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A THAT WOULDN'T BE WISE, BUT I DO NOT RECALL. I'VE WORKED HERE FOR 23 YEARS. I WAS A CFO FOR TEN YEARS. I'VE BEEN THE CEO FOR 11 YEARS. I DO NOT RECALL A TIME WHEN SOMEBODY WHERE WE WERE WHERE THE NEW PERSON COMING IN DEPOSIT WAS UNABLE TO FUND THE 85% REFUND. BUT THEY ARE THEY THERE'S NO PARTICIPATION IN THE UPSIDE, IN FULL PARTICIPATION IN THE DOWNSIDE. IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE UPSIDE VIA THE 6% CREDIT THAT YOU GET EVERY MONTH, BUT ON THE ACTUAL TRANSACTION ITSELF, YOU ARE CORRECT. SO WHEN INTEREST FALLS TO 2% IN THE GENERAL MARKET LIKE IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO, YOU'RE STILL PAYING THEM 6%. THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU ARE YOU ARE GUARANTEEING 6%. YOU'RE NOT COUNTING ON WHAT THE CURRENT MARKET IS DOING. THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOUR YOUR YOUR MONTHLY RENT STATEMENT FRANCES WOULD SAY RENT $10,000. DEPOSIT PLAN CREDIT -4000 AMOUNT DUE 6000. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS ONE IS SORT OF OPERATIONAL AND THEN THE NEXT IS MORE MARKET RELATED. SO IN TERMS OF STAFF, HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE ON SITE AND NUMBER OF SHIFTS? WHEN ARE THEY COMING IN AND OUT? ALL THAT STUFF. YEAH. SOMEBODY CAN WORK THIS AND FIND THAT SLIDE FOR ME WHILE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR. THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 24 HOUR PERIOD AT A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 90 STAFF. THE HIGHEST PEAK MOMENT OF THE DAY IS KIND OF MIDDAY. THAT'S ABOUT 60 PEOPLE. AND THERE'S A CHART HERE THAT SIOBHAN SHOWED THAT OR. YEAH, THAT SHOWED THE THERE IT IS. IF YOU CAN SEE THIS HERE, THIS, THIS SHOWS THE TIMING OF THE STAFF. OOPS. LET ME MOVE THAT LITTLE THING THERE. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE TIMING OF THE SHIFT CHANGES AT TOUCH MARK. AND THEN DOWN BELOW YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE THE WHOLE DAY KIND OF MAPPED OUT. THAT'S WHERE IT WAS, THE 90 AND THE 60 I WAS MENTIONING AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, A PROPERTY LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE ABOUT 200, 225 ACTUAL TEAM MEMBERS. NOT ALL OF THEM WOULD WORK FULL TIME, BUT THESE ARE THE AMOUNT OF TEAM MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE ON SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. OKAY. WE'RE A VERY GOOD EMPLOYEE OF WE REALLY BELIEVE IN BUILDING UP YOUTH. SO OUR DINING SERVICES ARE OFTEN HEAVILY POPULATED WITH HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WHO ARE GETTING THEIR FIRST JOB IN THOSE SORT OF AREAS. AND SAME WITH OUR LIFE ENRICHMENT TEAMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE REALLY DO A NICE JOB REACHING OUT TO SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES IN THAT WAY. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN NEXT QUESTION IS I'M THINKING ABOUT VISIBILITY. I'M SURPRISED THERE AREN'T MORE PEOPLE HERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF NORTHEAST OF HERE OFF OF BLYTHE AND ASHMORE. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL, IT'S LIKE 665 AND THEY'RE AT 625. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX STORIES, YOU KNOW, LOOKING UP, TOWERING OVER THESE TREES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING BACK AT. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT PROXIMITY SLOPE? YEAH, THERE WAS AND QUINN MIGHT BE THE ONE TO ANSWER THIS. THERE'S A RENDERING THAT SHOWS FROM THAT CORNER, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE 50FT BELOW FINISH FLOOR PLUS THE 86FT. OH IS THERE. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. SO SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL TREE CANOPY AS IT EXISTS HERE. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SUPERIMPOSED THAT EXACT TREE CANOPY WITH THE ELEVATIONS OF FINISHED FLOOR, PLUS THE STORIES THAT YOU SAW IN THE CHART. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET. SO IN THE CENTER, YOU SEE IT STEPS UP. AND THEN AS IT COMES DOWN TOWARD HIGHLAND, KIRKWOOD STEPS DOWN AND THEN THE. THE ROOFS IN THE FRONT ARE THE FLATS THAT YOU SEE. SO. SO SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE LIKE 90FT TALL, 100FT TALL. NO, NOT AT ALL. TO BE ABOVE THAT. LINE OF SIGHT RIGHT THERE THAT THERE'S AN ANGLE TO IT. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT IT'S ALSO ON A HILL. NO, THIS IS EXACTLY CORRECT. [03:35:07] COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE? THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST. CURTIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE COMING TO YOUR BALLPARK. LET ME SHOW YOU THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE. HOLD ON A SECOND. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER. HOLD ON. GO AHEAD. GARY. IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK IS MAYBE LAST WEEK, MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING. IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT HEIGHT AND TRYING TO REALLY GET A FEEL FOR WHAT IT WOULD, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE'VE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PUT THEY'VE LIKE HOISTED A BIG BALLOON THAT YOU COULD SEE AT THE HIGHEST POINT WHERE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE AT ITS TALLEST POINT. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE FROM DRIVING AROUND TO ACTUALLY SEE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AS FAR AS THE TREE LINE, THE NEIGHBORS AROUND IT, THAT MIGHT BE A. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THAT ANYWAY. YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT IT ON THE TABLE NOW. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. A GREEN BALLOON. WE CAN DEFINE THAT FURTHER FOR SURE. BUT AS YOU SEE ON THE TOP, THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE TO THE FLAT. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM IS ALL THE WAY TO THE CLUBHOUSE AT AT THAT TOP OF ROOF. 721 MEASURED FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. YEAH. YEAH. IT DOESN'T QUITE JIVE WITH THE PICTURE, BUT I THINK THAT BALLOON WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. OKAY. NEXT QUESTION IS I KNOW ONE OF THE SLIDES WAS KIND OF MESSED UP IS IT DIDN'T WORK THE WAY SHE WANTED IT TO WORK, AND IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ANSWERED PART OF THIS QUESTION. BUT WHEN I JUST LIKE LOOK UP FACILITIES IN THE AREA, I'M I'M COUNTING 12 SENIORS FACILITIES IN A FIVE MILE RADIUS AND 73 IN A TEN MILE RADIUS. AND THEN I THINK ABOUT JUST DEMAND, RIGHT? AND BY AND LARGE, MOST SENIOR FACILITIES NATIONWIDE ARE LIKE 125 TO 175 UNITS. AND Y'ALL ARE AT 357. SO THAT'S 20 PER ACRE. AND THEN BY COMPARISON, WATER MIRROR IS FOUR PER ACRE. AND YOUR FACILITY IN MCKINNEY IS 3.3 PER ACRE UNITS. AND SO I'M JUST, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEMAND FOR THAT MANY AND WHY, WHY IT'S SO LARGE. SO IF YOU DID A GOOGLE SEARCH, YOU MAY BE FINDING FOSTER. YOU MAY FIND ADULT CARE AND FOSTER. THEY MAY NOT BE THE THE QUALITY AND THE CALIBER OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT QUALITY, BUT IT'S LIKE MEMORY CARE, INDEPENDENT ASSISTED LIVING, INDEPENDENT MEMORY. YEAH. AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE THE COUNTS AND QUANTITIES. I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE A MEMORY CARE THAT THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL COMMUNITY IS 20 OR 24. THE, THE CONSERVATORY THE WATER MIRRORS ACTIVE ADULT. THE DISCOVERY WATER MIRRORS THEIR ASSISTED LIVING. THERE'S A DIFFERENT OPERATOR, BUT SAME NAME. DISCOVERY IS ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE AND THE PRESERVE SOLSTICE AND ATRIA ARE THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF THE, THE COMPARABLE AS FAR AS THE BAND OF QUALITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, BUT I CAN, I'D LOVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND GIVE YOU, I CAN ACTUALLY GIVE YOU THE ACTUAL HOME COUNTS IN EACH OF THOSE IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. AND SO WHAT ABOUT THE DENSITY AND NUMBER OF UNITS RELATIVE, LIKE EVEN YOUR MCKINNEY ONE IS LIKE 3.3 UNITS PER ACRE. YEAH. I THINK YOU MAY BE. SO WE HAVE THERE IS A LAKE AND A VERY, VERY LARGE FLOODPLAIN ON THAT, THAT PROPERTY. AND THERE'S ALSO 11 ACRES THAT IS NOT OWNED BY TOUCHMARK AT EMERALD LAKE. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FULL 80 ACRES, THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN DIVIDED BEFORE WE EVER DEVELOP THAT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. BUT, BUT YOU'RE, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THIS HAS A HIGHER, A HIGHER LEVEL OF, OF RESIDENTS. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE THAT IS BECAUSE WE DID UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE. WHEREAS FOR EXAMPLE THE ACTIVE ADULT WATER MIRROR CONDOS, THEY HAVE A, A DETENTION POND THAT IS USED FOR ALL OF THAT SURROUNDING AREA. AND THEY COUNTED IT IN THEIR GREEN SPACE. OKAY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT. AND YOU ALSO ASKED ABOUT DEMAND. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE DID AN EXTENSIVE MARKET STUDY. EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR MARKET STUDY. IT MAY NOT HIT THE 24 YOU KNOW, THE. 24 UNIT MEMORY CARE. THEY ARE ALL OVER 95% FULL. THOSE ARE CONSIDERED FULL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OCCUPANCY TURN WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE AT THE END STAGE OF THEIR LIFE. SO THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY A, DEFINITELY A MARKET NEED FOR THIS IN, IN, IN, WELL, IN EXCESS OF THE HOME COUNT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. YEAH. YEAH. NO, THE OCCUPANCY DEFINITELY GOES UP AND DOWN, BUT IT'S JUST A LOT OF UNITS AT ONCE. [03:40:06] SO. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A QUESTION. KENDRA OR MARCUS, WHICHEVER. ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE BOTH OF YOU GUYS FOR THESE QUESTIONS. CURTIS GIVES ME LONG ANSWERS. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME SHORT ANSWERS. SO ARE THESE APARTMENTS? I'M SORRY, ARE THESE APARTMENTS? NO. WHY NOT? WELL, I'LL START WITH THE OBVIOUS ONES THAT ARE JUST NOT IN THE BUILDING. THEY'RE THEY'RE STANDALONE OR TRIPLEX OR DUPLEX TYPE HOMES. RIGHT. BUT THEN AND THEN I'LL PICK OFF THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE. THESE ARE, THESE ARE PLACES CREATED FOR THE PROVISION OF HEALTH CARE. THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T HAVE KITCHENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THOSE RESIDENTS NEED HELP WITH ALL THEIR MEALS. AND SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO AS FAR AS IT WOULD BE AN EXTREME TO SAY, COMPARE IT TO A HOSPITAL ROOM. BUT A HOSPITAL ROOM IS NOT AN APARTMENT. THESE ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE WHERE THEY CAN GET THE HEALTH CARE THAT THEY NEED. AND SO THAT COVERS INDEPENDENT AND ASSISTED LIVING WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES TO THE INDEPENDENT LIVING HOMES, THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF THAT SOMEONE COULD THINK OF AS HIGHEST ANALOGY OR MOST ANALOGOUS TO AN APARTMENT HOME, BUT APARTMENT HOME. AND ONE OF THESE PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BETTER MATH NUMBERS THAN I DO. I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY HAVE TEN OR MORE OF THE COMMON AREA, SPACE AND AMENITIES THAT A REGULAR APARTMENT HOME WOULD. SO AN APARTMENT HOME IS A PLACE WHERE YOU LIVE. WHEN YOU'RE UNSETTLED, YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TEMPORARY, AND YOU NEED SOMETHING SHORT TERM UNTIL YOU CAN FIND THE NEXT THING YOU'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING HERE IN THEIR OWN HOMES, AND THEY ARE ACCESSING A MASSIVE ARRAY OF AMENITIES AND SERVICES THAT ARE NOT ANALOGOUS OR PROVIDED REALLY, AT ANY APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THIS COUNTRY, CERTAINLY NOT IN SOUTHLAKE. AND SO AND THEN IT IS IN THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY, CHUCK, MAYBE NORTH OF 90%, 95% OF OUR RESIDENTS, THEY ARE CHOOSING THIS COMMUNITY AS THE LAST AND FINAL PLACE TO LIVE THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. SO THEY ARE NOT ELECTING TRANSIENT LIFESTYLE OR SOMEWHERE TO BE. JUST FOR A MINUTE, THEY ARE SAYING, THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO BE, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, AND I WANT TO STAY WITH MY FRIENDS AND IN MY COMMUNITY AND WITH MY CHURCH BUDDIES, OR WITH MY GOLF BUDDIES OR WHOEVER IT IS IN THIS SPOT FOR THE REST OF MY DAYS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S OKAY, SO LET'S SAY THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY COUNTING ANY. THE ONES WITHOUT KITCHENS AS APARTMENTS, THE VILLAS AND FLATS, THOSE HAVE KITCHENS, RIGHT? YES. AND THEY'RE. AND THEY'RE RENTED MONTHLY, RIGHT? YES. SO WHY ARE THEY NOT APARTMENTS? FOR ALL THE REASONS I JUST SAID. I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SAY IT AGAIN ANY DIFFERENT. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TYPE OR THE PHYSICAL SIZE OF A UNIT, YOU COULD MAKE THAT COMPARISON. BUT THE PRODUCT ITSELF, THE SERVICES, AMENITIES QUALITY OF FINISHES, PRICE POINT AND THE WAY THEY'RE USED BY THE CUSTOMER AND FOR THE DURATION OF TERM LIKE I SAID, THEY AVERAGE SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS OF, OF OCCUPANCY PER OF TENURE. WHEN RANDY WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION EARLIER, THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING. SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING FLIPPED APARTMENTS? SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR IS THAT YOU GUYS COULD JUST SIMPLY TURN THEM INTO APARTMENTS AS IF IT'S LIKE AN OVERNIGHT SORT OF THING. SO I WANT TO I WANT TO NAIL THAT DOWN FOR SURE. OUR COMMUNITY. AS TO WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THESE TO JUST SIMPLY TURN INTO APARTMENTS? YEAH. THIS, THIS IS A BUSINESS QUESTION AND I GUESS I JUST HAVE TO ANSWER IT LIKE THIS. IT'S JUST NOT A FEASIBLE ECONOMIC THING. WE'VE BUILT THE AMENITIES, WE'VE BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE THE STAFF, WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE THE PROGRAMING. YOU CAN'T PAY FOR ALL THAT AND AFFORD TO DO ALL THAT AT A RATE OF RENT THAT WOULD BE CHARGED IN A REGULAR APARTMENT. SO I KNOW THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 46 YEARS. WE OWN ZERO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. WE'VE DEVELOPED ZERO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. WE'VE CREATED ZERO. WE'VE TRANSFORMED WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? TRANSLATED OR SWITCHED ZERO UNITS TO APARTMENTS, EVER. WE ARE A SENIOR HOUSING COMPANY. THAT IS WHAT WE BUILD THE RATES. I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER WHEN RANDY WAS ASKING ABOUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE, WERE ACCURATE PORTRAYALS OF WHAT IT COSTS TO LIVE IN THIS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. AND SO THERE'S NO FEASIBLE WAY FOR SOMEBODY TO OPERATE THIS AS AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND MAINTAIN A GOING CONCERN AS A BUSINESS. WELL, SO LET'S SAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, YOU GUYS ARE, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU GUYS GO BELLY UP. I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. LET'S SAY YOU GO BELLY UP AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN HELP WEIGH IN ON THIS TOO. BUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THESE TO BE TURNED INTO APARTMENTS? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DISSOLVE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TOUCH MARK THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND, THAT PROHIBITS PEOPLE FROM UNDER 62 YEARS FROM LIVING HERE. AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE ANY POSSIBILITY FOR A REASONABLE OPERATOR TO FILL THIS WITH ENOUGH PEOPLE TO MAKE IT AN APARTMENT. [03:45:03] SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST PIECE OF OF ACTUAL LAW THAT WOULD CREATE THAT PROBLEM. THE SECOND, OF COURSE, WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE NO VIABLE APPRAISAL THAT WOULD VALUE THIS PROPERTY. THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR AN APARTMENT DEVELOPER OR APARTMENT OWNER COULD AFFORD TO EVER BUY IT AND MAKE IT APARTMENTS. IT WOULD ONLY BE APPLICABLE FOR A SENIOR HOUSING PROVIDER, SUCH AS TOUCH MARK TO PAY. THE PURCHASE PRICE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO OWN IT AND THEN OPERATE IT IN THIS FASHION. SO ONE OF THOSE IS LEGAL AND THE OTHER ONE IS KIND OF ECONOMIC. AND THAT'S THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU. SO THE COST TO, TO THE COST TO REDEVELOP THESE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THREE ROOM APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH NICE KITCHENS AND LIVING ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT WOULD BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COST JUST SIMPLY COME IN AND REHAB THESE APARTMENTS. YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT. YOU HAVE TO TEAR EVERYTHING OUT AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. RIGHT? ANOTHER, ANOTHER POINT THAT I'M THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF EARLIER, BUT IT'S WORTH MENTIONING, THE UNIT MIX OF THESE APARTMENTS WOULD NOT ISN'T NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR FAMILIES AND PEOPLE TOO. NOW AGAIN, WE'RE ALREADY RESTRICTED TO 62 AND ABOVE, BUT ABOUT 80% OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE SINGLE BECAUSE THEY'VE LOST THEIR SPOUSE. THE OTHER 20% OR SO ARE PAIRS COUPLES. WE HAVE ZERO CHILDREN OR LARGE FAMILIES. THERE ARE NO NO OCCUPANT, NO UNITS IN OUR TOTAL PORTFOLIO OF OVER 4000 HOMES THAT ARE HAVE MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS, AND THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS. YOU KNOW LET ME ADD TO THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING PUT ON THE SPOT BY THESE QUESTIONS. SO I DON'T MEAN I DON'T MEAN TO DO IT, BUT YEAH, I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. I KNOW FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET RID OF THE 62 AND UP AND TURN THESE INTO APARTMENTS. SO FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, IF THE IF THE 62 UP WERE CONDITION OF THE ZONING, IT WOULD REQUIRE ZONING CHANGE. SO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL COULD JUST SIMPLY VOTE TO STRIP THE 62 OUT, AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL COULD REZONE THEM INTO APARTMENTS THAT THAT I'M NOT COMMENTING ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THE ABILITY TO. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES. REMOVING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT. CORRECT. SO IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE DISTRICTS INSIDE, A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL UP HERE COULD REMOVE THE 62 AND REZONE IT AS SOME MULTIFAMILY LEVEL. THAT WOULD BE APARTMENTS. RIGHT. SO THAT BEING SAID, SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT EITHER. XO OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS THREE STORIES. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE XO OFFICE BUILDING TO BE REZONED AS APARTMENTS? IT WOULD AGAIN, IT WOULD REQUIRE ZONING CHANGE. RIGHT. SO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL COULD JUST AS EASILY TURN THE XO OFFICE BUILDING NEXT DOOR INTO APARTMENTS, AND THEY COULD TAKE THE WESTIN HOTEL NEXT DOOR AND TURN IT INTO APARTMENTS. THE WESTIN HOTEL HAS ROOMS IN IT. IT HAS SUITES IN IT. THEY GOT LITTLE. THEY GOT MICROWAVES IN SOME OF THE ROOMS AND SOME OF THE TWO BEDROOM SUITES. YOU CAN ACTUALLY. THEY GOT A. THEY YOU GOT A WHOLE RESTAURANT IN A BAR DOWNSTAIRS AS WELL, SO SOMEBODY COULD JUST APPLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, REZONE THAT AS APARTMENTS AND THEN REHAB THE WHOLE PLACE AS APARTMENTS. GRANITE PLACE AND TOWN CENTER COULD BE REZONED AS APARTMENTS BY THIS SAME FUTURE CITY COUNCIL. THAT WOULD BE VOTING TO TURN THIS INTO APARTMENTS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. IT COULD BE ANY PROPERTY IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AT ANY TIME. A CITY COUNCIL COULD JUST SIMPLY TURN IT INTO APARTMENTS OR REZONE IT. I'M SORRY. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO. HOW CRITICAL IS YOUR PHASE TWO CRITICAL? YEAH. IT'S A IT'S AN ECONOMY OF SCALE BUSINESS. THERE'S ONE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT RUNS THE WHOLE PROJECT. THERE'S ONE EXECUTIVE CHEF THAT MAKES THE FOOD FOR EVERYBODY. THERE'S ONE BUSINESS OFFICE MANAGER. EACH OF THESE POSITIONS NEEDS TO BE SPREAD OVER THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF REVENUE PRODUCING HOMES FOR THE PRO FORMA FOR THE PROJECT TO WORK. WE DO THEM IN PHASES INTENTIONALLY. IT'S TO. BECAUSE WHEN YOU OPEN UP A NEW PROJECT, IF YOU HAVE THAT MANY EMPTY HOMES ALL AT ONCE, YOU KNOW IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO FILL IT UP. AND SO WE DO IT IN TWO IN MULTIPLE PHASES SO WE CAN MANAGE THAT LEASE UP PART OF IT. BUT THE WHOLE PROJECT DEMOGRAPHIC ECONOMICS RELY ON BOTH PHASES. THE. AND THEN WITH YOUR MEMORY CARE. I'M SORRY. I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. RANDY ROBBINS ALWAYS HATES IT. BUT YOUR MEMORY CARE, WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE'S NOT AVAILABLE? WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE AND THEY NEED TO GO INTO MEMORY CARE AND IT'S FULL. YEAH. SO THIS, THIS DOES HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. AND WE HAVE A, MOST OF OUR TOUCH MARKS HAVE A THING CALLED HOME CARE THAT OPERATES WITH INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. [03:50:03] AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GO AND PROVIDE CARE FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR CURRENT HOMES. IF THERE'S A WAITING LIST FOR THEM TO GET INTO FUTURE HOMES. WE TRY TO MANAGE THAT PRETTY CAREFULLY. WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF OUR OPERATIONS TEAM CALLED THE TRANSITIONS TEAM. THEIR ENTIRE ROLE IS TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE RESIDENTS. WE ALREADY HAVE FLAG THOSE THAT ARE LOOKING LIKE THEY MIGHT NEED SOME HELP OR NEED A FUTURE LEVEL OF CARE, AND THEN TRY TO MATCH THEM UP WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING OR PASSING AWAY. AND SO WE THAT'S JUST A BIG PART OF THE OPERATIONAL JOB OF MANAGING THIS. WE FREQUENTLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH OR TWO TO GET INTO THOSE HOMES, AND THEN WE'RE PROVIDING THAT CARE FOR THEM IN THEIR CURRENT HOME, AND THEY PAY AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR THAT ON TOP OF THEIR BASE RATE IN THEIR IN THEIR HOME, THEY'RE ALREADY IN IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE WAITING, CAN THEY BRING IN A PRIVATE MEMORY CARE PERSON TO HELP THEM? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, LIKE ASSISTED LIVING HELP FOR, FOR RESIDENTS THAT NEED THAT HELP THAT ARE YOUNGER THAN 62 OR WHATEVER. BUT IN THE CASE OF THERE BEING A WAIT CAN THEY BRING SOMEBODY IN IN THE MEANTIME WHILE THEY WAIT? THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST TELLING YOU. SO, SO MOST OF OUR PROPERTIES HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A LICENSED HOME CARE AGENCY. AND THAT'S WHERE PRIVATE DUTY CAREGIVERS COME INTO YOUR HOME ON AN HOURLY BASIS AND HELP PROVIDE YOU CARE YOU NEED UNTIL YOU CAN GET TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GET IT AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE IN. SO THEY'RE NOT JUST TOSSED OUT, I'M SORRY. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO JUST BE TOSSED OUT. CORRECT. CORRECT. AND THEN WE TALK IN YOUR MCKINNEY AND GEORGETOWN FACILITIES OFFER TYPE B CARE. ARE WE IS THIS FACILITY DOING A AND B CARE. RIGHT. I DO NOT KNOW THAT TERM. THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CARE. THAT'S FINE. WHATEVER. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ASSISTED LIVING. LICENSES FROM THE STATE ARE TYPE A OR TYPE B ASSISTED LIVING LICENSES FROM THE STATE. THE TYPE YOU ARE DOING TYPE B OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS GOOD. AND THEN I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION? I CAN'T HEAR HIM. TYPE TYPE B. THE ANSWER WAS YES. THEY DO OFFER. THEY DO TYPE B TYPE B. OKAY. THE I GOT LIKE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'M ALMOST DONE. THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'M SCRIBBLING THINGS OFF AS I GO ALONG. AND THEN. CAN WE DROP THE FLOOR OFFICE BUILDING, GET DOWN A LITTLE BIT? WOULD THAT KILL YOU GUYS TO LOSE A FLOOR? I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT TOO. AND WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT FRANKLY, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. YEAH, YEAH. THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THAT WOULD REMOVE FROM THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT, WHICH WOULD AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, YOU, THE REASON THAT THE TOP FLOOR IS IMPORTANT IS THE SAME ONE. THE NEXT PHASE IS IMPORTANT. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY GARY, WE, WE MIGHT HAVE I WANT TO REREAD THAT. I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL DO THAT SENTENCE THAT WAS UP HERE AT THE START OF THE THING ABOUT THE ELEVATOR TOWER AND EXCLUDING IT. I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS WRITTEN RIGHT. ALL WE WERE TRYING TO DO TO DESCRIBE WAS THERE TO EVERYBODY. THE BUILDING ITSELF ISN'T AND DOESN'T PRESENT AS 86FT ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE ARE THE PORTIONS FOR THE ELEVATORS THAT POKE UP A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW. WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO EXCEED THE ALLOWED HEIGHT OF 90. THE THE GENERAL BUILDINGS CLOSER TO 70. BUT THOSE PIECES POP UP AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU GUYS THAT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE BUILDING. IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE AREA. SO IF THAT WAS WRITTEN WRONG. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. I JUST WAS TRYING TO CONFIRM. YEAH. MY LAST COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE FOR THE KIMLEY-HORN ENGINEER IF HE'S GOT A MINUTE. SO THANK YOU. AND SORRY IF I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE, BUT YOU WERE THERE. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE OVER THERE. THE REDUCTION IN THE DRAINAGE RUNOFF OVERALL IS 17%. IS THAT CORRECT? THE REDUCTION IN THE PEAK RUNOFF. YES, SIR. HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE PROPERTIES WHERE YOU GUYS ARE? YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REDUCING RUNOFF FOR PROPERTY VERSUS MEETING THE STATE STANDARD OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS NO DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. IT'S EXTREMELY RARE BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS CODE AND IT'S A COST ISSUE AT THAT POINT, THE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, REDUCTION OF 17%. THAT WOULD THEN THAT WOULD REDUCE. IS THAT 17% IN ALL DIRECTIONS. IS THAT OR IS IT IN ONE PARTICULAR DIRECTION BECAUSE YOU GOT WATER GOING THAT'S GOING UP. YOU GOT WATER THAT'S GOING TO GO OVER TOWARDS THE GATEWAY POND, RIGHT? YEAH. GENERALLY IT'S CUMULATIVELY IN EVERY SINGLE STORM EVENT. SO WE EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, TWO, FIVE, 25, 50 AND 100 YEAR STORMS. THAT MEANS VARYING INTENSITIES OF RAIN, RIGHT? AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT ONLY THE 100 YEAR EVENT, WHICH MEANS A 1% CHANCE OF OCCURRING WHEN THERE MAY BE A HIGHER PEAK IN YOUR EVERYDAY RAIN EVENT. WE'VE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE RAIN EVENT, AND THERE'S A ROUGHLY A REDUCTION OF 17% IN EVERY SINGLE RAIN EVENT. MAJORITY OF THAT IS NORTH AND NORTHEAST. SO I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED WORKING WITH THE POND ON THE EAST AND YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THIS. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. SO THE POND THAT'S EAST OF THERE THAT'S IMPACTING SAINT MARTIN'S COURT. [03:55:02] THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALONG THAT ROAD, THAT POND IS JUST A POND, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A RETENTION POND. IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO PROVIDING ANY DETENTION. RIGHT. SO, SO SOME OF THEIR ISSUES IS JUST BASED ON THE UNCHECKED RUNOFF THAT THERE IS TODAY THAT ENTERS THAT POND AND THEN JUST GOES ACROSS HIGHLAND AND HITS THEM. AND DO YOU DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE WHAT THAT FLOW IS BACK THERE? DID YOU DID YOU TELL ME 200 CFS. YEAH. RELATIVE NUMBERS. THERE'S ROUGHLY 200 CFS OR CUBIC FEET PER SECOND OF WATER IN A. IN A PEAK EVENT, WHEN THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL DOWNSTREAM OF. THERE WAS DESIGNED FOR SOMETHING IN THE TUNE OF 20. SO DESIGNED FOR HOW MUCH TO THE TUNE OF 2020. SO SO THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE 20 BUT THEY GOT 200. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT FLOW DRAINING THERE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. AND I WOULD SAY 90% OF THAT WATERSHED DOES NOT INVOLVE THIS SUBJECT SITE, AND IT IS ESSENTIALLY NOT DOING ANYTHING AT THE POND YOU MENTIONED AND DRAINING TO THE DOWNSTREAM CHANNEL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS SO YOU'RE SO YOU'RE 17% REDUCTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT SHOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT. IT WILL HELP VERSUS THE EXISTING CONDITION. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT I KNOW MARK HAS VOLUNTEERED TO HELP WITH THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP EVEN MORE ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH, WITH, BUT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S NO TEETH IN IT, RIGHT? THERE'S NO WAY TO TIE THIS IN OTHER THAN JUST GOOD FAITH. CORRECT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT THE PROPERTY THAT THIS OWNERSHIP OWNS. AND IT WOULD INVOLVE A PARTICIPATION FROM CITY AND ADJACENT OWNERS. RIGHT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU WAS THE YOU GUYS HAD OFFERED TO PUT IN A RIGHT TURN LANE ALONG CARROLL ONTO HIGHLAND. RIGHT. WHICH SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY HELP, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN UP THIS ROAD BEFORE. MANY OF US IN HERE HAVE WHEN MY, MY KIDS ARE AT C MS AND I DREADED IT. I MADE SURE I WAS THERE EARLY, SO I DIDN'T GET BACKED UP FROM FROM JOHNSON. SO DEFINITELY THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HELP, I WOULD THINK SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT YOUR DECEL LANE. I THINK YOU HAVE A DECEL LANE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE. WE DO NOT. YOU DO NOT. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU GUYS BE OPPOSED TO PUTTING A DECEL LANE THERE SO THAT WE HAVE NO STACKING AT ALL COMING IN? YEAH, I THINK IT'D BE A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF. I KIND OF LIKE I MENTIONED IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY 40% OF WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY WARRANT A TURN LANE. SO THE ALLEVIATION TO, TO CAROL, YOU KNOW, ALLEVIATION, I'M GONNA USE AIR QUOTES WOULD BE SO MINIMAL THAT IT MAY NOT BE WORTH THE ADDITIONAL MOVEMENT. OKAY. BUT IF, BUT IF IT LOOKS LIKE OUR CITY STAFF SAYS THAT YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH PUTTING THAT IN, OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT IF IF THAT'S HOW STAFF WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPTION. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN LAST QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS. AND I PROMISE I'M DONE. ASKED ALL THESE YOU GUYS COULD ASK ALL THESE. SO DENNIS ON THE FUTURE OF KIRKWOOD KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN UP THERE? LIKE RIGHT NOW KIRKWOOD ENDS, RIGHT. RIGHT THERE AT EAST HIGHLAND. YEAH. A PORTION OF IT IS CONSTRUCTED. THE INTENT IS TO EXTEND THESE FOUR LANES TO THE INTERSECTION AND THEN CONTINUE THAT UP UNTIL IT CONNECTS TO. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A FOUR LANE ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THERE ACROSS CARROLL AT SOME POINT, AT SOME POINT, ONE DAY. AND WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC ALONG KIRKWOOD? KIRKWOOD. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BYPASS 114 TRAFFIC, THEY CAN HOP OFF ON KIMBALL AND GO TO KIRKWOOD. HANG A LEFT. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE ARTERIAL. LIKE A FUTURE SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD. YES. RIGHT. SO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC FROM THIS SHOULD BE, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON KIRKWOOD THAN THEY THAN THEY WOULD BE WITH WITH GRACE LANE SOMEBODY COMING IN ON THAT SIDE. RIGHT. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR ALMOST THREE HOURS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED CARDS. WE'RE GOING TO CALL YOU FIRST. OF COURSE, ANYONE WHO HASN'T ALREADY SUBMITTED A CARD WILL BE INVITED TO SPEAK AS WELL. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK, GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL CALL NAMES UP AND WE'LL GET WE'LL GET GOING. SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SEVEN B AND SEVEN C TOGETHER. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. TOGETHER WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS. I'M GOING TO CALL THEM. THEY'RE IN A STACK HERE. WE'LL JUST CALL THEM. OF COURSE, IF YOUR NAME ISN'T CALLED, IF YOU DID NOT INITIALLY WANT TO TALK OR SPEAK PUBLICLY, BUT YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, YOU'LL BE WELCOME TO COME UP. ALSO, IF YOU DID SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD AND YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND AND DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, THAT'S CERTAINLY OKAY. WE'LL JUST REGISTER YOUR POSITION IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION AS WE GO. JUST YOU KNOW, SOME GROUND RULES. I SEE A LOT OF FAMILIAR FACES HERE. YOU KNOW HOW WE DO THINGS IN HERE. THIS IS LIKE A COURTROOM, IN A SENSE. IT'S NOT A FOOTBALL. A DRAGONS FOOTBALL GAME. THERE'S NO CHEERING OR BOOING. WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S OPINIONS. [04:00:03] WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE THROUGH EVERYONE QUICKLY IN THREE MINUTE INCREMENTS UP AT THE PODIUM. JUST ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO NOTE, THIS CASE HAS BEEN INTERESTING IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF RUMORS OUT THERE. THERE'S BEEN RUMORS ABOUT RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS HAVING A BACKUP CONTRACT ON THIS LAND OR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, SPECIFICALLY A MOSQUE HAVING A BID OR AN OFFER ON THIS LAND. BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE FALSE. THEY'RE NOT TRUE. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP HERE TO SPEAK, LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US. WE HAVE THE TOUCH MARK APPLICATION, WHICH HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY BRIEFED BY THEIR TEAM. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DECIDING TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE WHAT IFS, ESPECIALLY ON THINGS THAT ARE FALSE. SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE TOUCH MARK APPLICATION, WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST IT. WE WANT TO GET EVERYONE THROUGH HERE. I KNOW THE HOUR IS GETTING LATE. WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH BABYSITTERS AT HOME JOBS TOMORROW AND OF COURSE, ELECTION RESULTS TO DIGEST. SO LET'S MOVE THROUGH THIS. THE FIRST COMMENT CARD IS MEGAN KINSLOW 2005 FOR MIRACLE POINT DRIVE. WE'LL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. AND EVEN THOUGH I JUST SAID YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, IF YOU COULD RESTATE IT FOR THE RECORD, THEN WE'LL START THE THREE MINUTE CLOCK. GREEN MEANS GO. YELLOW MEANS ONE MORE MINUTE, AND RED MEANS. IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP, THAT'D BE GREAT. SOUNDS GOOD. MEGAN KINSLOW 205 FOR MIRACLE POINT DRIVE SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL OF OUR TIME. ON A LATE NIGHT. IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME. I'M SURE YOURS. I'LL BE BRIEF. I THINK YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING FOR ME IS THAT LOOKING AT THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE SAW IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL USE, EVEN THINGS AROUND HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NEXT TO OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND NEXT TO A SCHOOL, I CAN'T THINK OF SOMETHING BETTER SUITED THAN SENIORS. I CAN'T THINK OF SOMETHING BETTER SUITED. THAT GETS US ABOUT 50% GREEN SPACE NEXT TO A SCHOOL. AND AS SOMEBODY WHO HAD TO RECENTLY REPLACE AN OAK TREE THAT WAS NOT EVEN THAT BIG TO THE TUNE OF $20,000 FROM FANNIN TREE FARM, I CAN TELL YOU BUYING SEVERAL HUNDRED OF THESE TREES AND REPLACING THEM IS NOT CHEAP. SO THE FACT THAT TOUCH MARK WILL DO THAT, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE REMEDIATION, I TRULY THINK THIS IS A GIFT THAT WE SHOULD NOT THINK THAT WE MIGHT FIND BETTER ALTERNATIVES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. ALSO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE ELECTIONS AND EVERYTHING TOP OF MIND FOR US CURRENTLY, THERE WAS THE TWO SENATE BILLS, 15 AND EIGHT, 840, THAT DO NOT APPLY TO SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION THRESHOLDS THAT ARE REQUIRED THERE. WE ALL KNOW THAT COULD CHANGE. THAT MEANS THEN WE HAVE 17 ACRES THAT WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO UP TO 612 UNITS APARTMENTS. THAT MEANS INSTEAD OF 400 SENIORS WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD CRAM INTO 600 UNITS, BUT A LOT MORE THAN 400 SENIORS DOWN THE ROAD. AND AGAIN YOU KNOW, THE GREEN SPACE, I THINK THAT'S VERY CRITICAL FOR THAT BEING NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, THE TRAFFIC, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AGAIN, I WAS FIRMLY OPPOSED TO THIS. I'M FIRMLY OPPOSED TO APARTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT HEARING THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS WOULD REQUIRE TO GO BACK TO C, I, S, D AND THEN HAVE TO HAVE THE ZONING CHANGED. NEVER MIND ALL OF THE OTHER REMEDIATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. I, FOR ONE, AM QUITE CONFIDENT THIS IS A BETTER SUIT AND REDUCES OUR RISK OF APARTMENTS AS A COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT UP IS JOE SANSONE AT 1218 FOREST HILLS DRIVE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. JOE SANSONE LOOKS LIKE JOE LEFT. JOE WAS GOING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. NEXT IS WENDY TUB 1200. SAINT EMILION COURT HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. WENDY TUB. AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, EVEN THOUGH I JUST DID IT. THEN YOU'LL HAVE THOSE THREE MINUTES. AND THANK YOU FOR WAITING. YES. WENDY TUB, 1200 SAINT-ÉMILION COURT. I LIVE RIGHT OVER BY THIS PROPERTY THAT'S PROPOSED. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE Z 260052. SOUTHLAKE DENSITY STANDARDS ARE HOW THE CITY PROTECTS ITS NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS PLAN DOES NOT DOES NOT MEET THEM. IT ASKS YOU TO SET THEM ASIDE. A 5 OR 6 STOREY RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE ACRE HOMES IS NOT THE LOW DENSITY OPEN SPACE. THIS PART OF SOUTHLAKE IS MEANT TO KEEP. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGHT LINES AND THE YEARS IT WILL TAKE FOR GROWTH TO SHIELD THESE BUILDINGS. IT CAN ONLY REACH THIS DENSITY THROUGH THE SP2 ZONING. THE LAND TODAY ISN'T ZONED TO ALLOW THIS BY. RIGHT. SO THIS IS NOT THE CITY STANDARD BEING MET. IT IS THE CITY BEING ASKED TO SET THE STANDARD ASIDE GRANT DENSITY BY EXCEPTION, AND THE PROBLEMS COME WITH IT. TRAFFIC DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. AND I HAVE SENT THAT TO YOU ALL WITH A MAP. LET'S TALK REAL QUICK. I WANT TO BRING UP THE HIGH DENSITY. IT'S HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RENTALS THAT OFFER LIVING AMENITIES, [04:05:01] SERVICE, FOOD, LIFESTYLE ACROSS INDEPENDENT ASSISTED AND MEMORY CARE 62 PLUS. THIS IS NOT OFFERING A TRUE CONTINUUM OF CARE. IT'S A CONTINUUM OF HOUSING. THE CARE RUNS OUT DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM A MEETING ON JUNE 23RD ON WHAT IT PROVIDES. WE DO NOT PROVIDE DIRECT HEALTH SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS ON ITS STAFF. IF SOMEONE NEEDS SKILLED NURSING, THEY GO TO A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE SKILLED STAFF AND DOCTORS ADMINISTERING HEALTH CARE IN OUR BUILDINGS AND ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NEEDS GROW. IF THEY MOVE IN WITH US AND TWO MONTHS LATER THEY HAVE A STROKE AND THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MOVE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE TOUCH MARK. SO THIS DENSITY ISN'T EVEN BUYING PEOPLE A PLACE THEY CAN STAY. IT'S A CONTINUUM FOR HOUSING. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO HOLD TO SOUTHLAKE OWN STANDARDS. PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THIS. AS IT STANDS, PROTECTING SOUTHLAKE STANDARDS IS HOW YOU PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE BY THEM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT IS ZACH MOWERY AT 1217. WHISPERING LANE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. HELLO. ZACH MALLORY 1217 WHISPERING LANE. I'M A LICENSED ARCHITECT AND A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER. SO I LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL BOTH AS A NEIGHBOR WHO DRIVES CAROL EVERY DAY AND AS SOMEONE WHO EVALUATES SITES AND ZONING FOR A LIVING, I HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT IN OR FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF TOUCHMARK. THE CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC AND DENSITY ARE FAIR AND VALID, BUT THE RIGHT COMPARISON ISN'T THIS PROJECT VERSUS AN EMPTY LOT. IT'S THIS PROJECT VERSUS WHAT ELSE COULD REALISTICALLY GO THERE. EVERY MAJOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 114 HAS SOMETHING TO SEE. ISD PROPERTY DOES NOT PRIME 114 FRONTAGE. THIS SITE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE 114 FRONTAGE, WHICH MAKES IT A VIRTUAL NONSTARTER FOR AN 18 ACRE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE MOST LIKELY BY RIGHT ALTERNATIVE IS A RELIGIOUS OR INSTITUTIONAL USE THAT BRINGS HEAVIER PEAK TRAFFIC AND PAYS NO PROPERTY TAX. TOUCHMARK WOULD PAY PROPERTY TAX ON A SIGNIFICANT VALUATION. ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROVIDES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIQUIDATE AN UNDERUTILIZED ASSET IN ORDER TO ADDRESS A SERIOUS BUDGET ISSUE. THIS REPRESENTS A WIN WIN FOR THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT. ON TRAFFIC. SENIOR LIVING IS ONE OF THE LOWEST TRIP GENERATING USES YOU CAN PUT ON A SITE LIKE THIS. RESIDENTS DRIVE LITTLE STAFF SHIFTS ARE STAGGERED AND THE PEAKS DON'T LINE UP WITH SCHOOL TRAFFIC. I'VE PERSONALLY USED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PRODUCED BY THE VERY SAME ENGINEERS THAT PRODUCED THE STUDY FOR THIS SITE, AND I KNOW THEIR NUMBERS ARE RELIABLE. THE STUDY FOR THIS SITE SHOWS A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT. REGARDING THE NEED, ABOUT 1600 SOUTHLAKE RESIDENTS ARE OVER 75 TODAY, AND THAT NUMBER IS PROJECTED TO DOUBLE IN TEN YEARS. WATERMEYER AND HARBORCHASE ARE BOTH WAITLISTED. I SAY WE SHOULD JUMP AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A HIGH QUALITY SENIOR LIVING FACILITY FOR A GENERATION OF FOLKS THAT HELP MAKE SOUTHLAKE WHAT IT IS TODAY. FINALLY, ONE OF SOUTHLAKE CORE VALUES IS EXCELLENCE. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THIS TOWN, AND IT SHOWS UP THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. I VISITED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE DESIGN TEAM, AND I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE. THEY'RE A CLASS A DEVELOPER AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE A CLASS A NEIGHBOR, AS THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED WITH THE QUALITY OF THIS PROPOSAL AND THE GESTURES THEY HAVE MADE TO NOT ONLY MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA, BUT IMPROVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OUTSIDE THEIR OWN PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. TOUCH MARK IS THE RIGHT USE FOR THE SITE AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS WENDY MILLER 516 FOX. GLEN WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. WE'LL REGISTER HER SUPPORT FOR THE ITEMS. NEXT IS SHERRI BERMAN, 818 PARKDALE DRIVE. WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT WITH CONDITIONS. SHERRI BERMAN STILL HERE IN SUPPORT WITH CONDITIONS. CHRISTY LEY 1190 EAST DOVE ROAD, WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. GOOD EVENING, CHRISTIE LEE, 1190 EAST DOVE ROAD, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR OVER TEN YEARS AND I AM HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF TOUCH, MARK'S PROPOSED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY. I'LL ECHO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, [04:10:02] TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE DENSITY AND WHAT THE FUTURE COULD LOOK LIKE. THOSE ARE ALL REASONABLE THINGS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL IN COMPARISON TO THE REALISTIC ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE'VE ALREADY SAID THIS TONIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT'S A CONTAINED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR RESIDENT 62 AND OLDER. THERE WILL NOT BE SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN LIVING THERE. THERE WILL NOT BE TROPHY SPOUSES LIVING THERE. THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND DAILY ACTIVITIES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A SCHOOL OR RELIGIOUS BUILDING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS LOCATION AND THE TRAFFIC RESTRAINTS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER OPTIONS. IF YOU DECIDED TO PUT A SCHOOL THERE, THAT LOCATION WOULD NOT ONLY ADD TRAFFIC TO THE SAME TIME THAT THE ALREADY HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES, BUT IT WILL ALSO NOT ADD ANY TAX ADVANTAGES TO THE CITY AND COULD POTENTIALLY STEAL MONEY AWAY FROM SISD BY COMPETING FOR STUDENTS. SO THEN I HAVE TO ASK, WHAT IF THE PROPERTY WERE CHANGED TO MULTI-USE OFFICES, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND OTHER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS COULD BRING A CONSTANT FLOW OF RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS, DELIVERIES AND VISITORS. ADDITIONALLY, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU PUT CONSIDER PUTTING RETAIL IN THIS SPACE LESS THAN A HALF A MILE FROM TOWN SQUARE, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE TROUBLE KEEPING STORES IN BUSINESS? A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY HAS ACTIVITY, OF COURSE, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE CONTAINED USE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, I DON'T THINK THE COMPARISON SHOULD BE BETWEEN TOUCH MARK AND AN EMPTY PIECE OF LAND. THAT COMPARISON SHOULD BE BETWEEN TOUCH MARK AND THE OTHER USES THAT COULD REALISTICALLY OCCUPY THIS PROPERTY. DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS LOCATION AND THE COMMUNITY? THERE IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION. THIS PROPERTY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE MEANINGFUL TAX REVENUE FOR OUR CITY, AND A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY IS ALSO THAT IT CAN CONTRIBUTE WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S TAX BASE WHILE SERVING A POPULATION THAT IS ALREADY PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT POPULATION. PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR DECADES SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMAIN IN SOUTHLAKE AS THEY GET OLDER, AND THEY SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY NEED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING OR CARE. TO ME, THIS PROPOSAL, THIS REPRESENTS A WAY TO USE THIS PROPERTY WHILE PROVIDING A NEEDED SERVICE AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR TAX BASE, PROVIDING FOR POTENTIALLY CREATING LESS DAILY TRAFFIC THAN ANY OTHER USES THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED. I'M NOT ASKING YOU GUYS TO OVERLOOK LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, BUT I'M ASKING YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AND COMPARE THE ACTUAL TOUCH MARK PROPOSAL WITH THE REALISTIC ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS PROPERTY. WHEN YOU CONSIDER TRAFFIC DENSITY, COMMUNITY AND THE TAX REVENUE TOGETHER, I BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE COMPARISONS ARE IMPORTANT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT IS CHARLES PATTERSON 1351 EMERALD CIRCLE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT CHARLES PATTERSON. CHRISTINE HOLCOMB 3450. HILLSIDE DRIVE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF BOTH ITEMS. CHRISTINE HOLCOMB. KEVIN TUB AT 1200. SAINT EMILION COURT SPEAKING FOR AL ZITO AT 501 PLACE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF SEVEN B. JUST TO NOTE, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE DOUBLE SPEAKER. SO. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'M KEVIN TUB AT 1200 SAINT EMILION COURT, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR ALCEDO AT 501 POTOMAC PLACE. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO BEGIN BY MAKING MY POSITION VERY CLEAR. I SUPPORT SENIOR LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY. I SUPPORT AN APPROPRIATE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. SEE P26-0008. AND I SUPPORT CAROL ISD RECEIVING FAIR PROPERTY OR FAIR VALUE FOR THIS PROPERTY. HOWEVER, I OPPOSE ZONING APPLICATION Z26-0052 IN ITS CURRENT FORM. MY OPPOSITION IS NOT TOUCH MARK OR SENIOR HOUSING. IT CONCERNS THE PROPOSED DENSITY, DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY AND THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF ZONING ENTITLEMENTS BEING REQUESTED. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES 357 UNITS ON APPROXIMATELY 17.6 ACRES, OR ROUGHLY 21 UNITS PER ACRE, WITH BUILDINGS APPROACHING 86FT IN HEIGHT. THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY BY SOUTHLAKE STANDARDS. I'VE SUBMITTED A MORE DETAILED LETTER OUTLINING MY CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. TODAY, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE FIVE SPECIFIC ACTIONS I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. FIRST, REDUCE THE DENSITY. I RECOMMEND USING APPROXIMATELY 5 TO 7 UNITS PER ACRE AS AN INITIAL PLANNING TARGET, WHILE REQUIRING COMPARATIVE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS OF LOWER AND INTERMEDIATE DENSITY ALTERNATIVES. WE SHOULD ESTABLISH WHAT DENSITY IS APPROPRIATE FOR SOUTHLAKE, NOT SIMPLY ASSUME THE DEVELOPER'S PREFERRED 357 UNITS ARE NECESSARY. [04:15:02] SECOND, ESTABLISH DURABLE 62 PLUS PROTECTIONS. ZONING CAN CHANGE, PROPERTY OWNERSHIP CAN CHANGE, AND FUTURE OWNERS MAY HAVE VERY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES. I RECOMMEND RECORDING RECORDED DEED RESTRICTIONS, MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT ENFORCEMENT PARTIES AND LEGALLY STRUCTURED AS CITIZEN OVERSIGHT BOARD. THESE PROTECTIONS MUST BE DESIGNED TO ENDURE FOR GENERATIONS, NOT SIMPLY REFLECT TODAY'S INTENTIONS. THIRD, ADDRESS TRAFFIC AND STORMWATER BEFORE APPROVAL. REQUIRE INDEPENDENTLY REVIEWED TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE STUDIES ADDRESSING NORTH CAROLINA AVENUE, HIGHLAND SCHOOL TRAFFIC, DOWNSTREAM DRAINAGE IMPACTS AND DETENTION REQUIREMENTS. NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED, FUNDED AND ENFORCEABLE WITH PERMANENT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES. FOURTH, REDUCE BUILDING HEIGHT. BUILDINGS APPROACHING 86FT DESERVE SERIOUS RECONSIDERATION. EVALUATE TWO STORY BUILDINGS NEAR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, APPROXIMATELY THREE STORIES ELSEWHERE AND GREATER SETBACKS AND BUFFERS. FIFTH, PROVIDE A MEANINGFUL CONTINUUM OF CARE. CLARIFY WHY TYPE A ASSISTED LIVING IS PROPOSED. WHETHER TYPE B CAN BE INCORPORATED, AND WHY SKILLED NURSING IS NOT INCLUDED. RESIDENTS DESERVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEIR CARE NEEDS INCREASE. MY REQUEST IS SENT TO THE COUNCIL IS SIMPLE. PLEASE EVALUATE CP 26-0008 AND ZA26-0052. INDEPENDENTLY SUPPORT SENIOR LIVING OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTING SENIOR LIVING OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE APPROVING 357 UNITS. I RECOGNIZE THAT REDUCING DENSITY MAY AFFECT THE DEVELOPER'S FINANCIAL MODEL, BUT COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DETERMINE WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF THESE CONCERNS CANNOT BE SATISFACTORILY RESOLVED, I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNCIL NOT TO APPROVE THE 26-0052 IN ITS CURRENT FORM AND INSTEAD REQUEST A REVISED PROPOSAL THAT ADDRESSES THEM. WE DO NOT, SIR. YOUR TIME IS ALMOST UP. IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD. MR. ZITO INDICATED HE WAS IN FAVOR OF SEVEN B, THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND OPPOSED TO ITEM SEVEN C, THE ZONING CASE. NEXT IS BOW. LAST NAME IS SPELLED H E AT 1204. SAINT EMILION COURT WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. WELCOME. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THEN GO AHEAD. OKAY. MY NAME IS. I LIVE IN 1204 CENTER COURT. I'M HERE OPPOSED TO TOUCH MARK. I THINK BACK ON SEPTEMBER, PEOPLE CAME OUT TO HEAR FROM CAROLINE AGAINST THE HIGH DENSITY IN SOUTHLAKE. AND THEN SUDDENLY THERE ARE PEOPLE SAYING, OKAY, THIS HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN HERE IS NO LONGER RELEVANT TO THE HIGH DENSITY IN KERALA BECAUSE WE CAN SEE PEOPLE TURN THE CHANGE. BUT THIS IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE. THE REAL ISSUE IS WE HAVE HERE IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOR SENIOR CENTER. WE DON'T AGAINST SENIOR CENTER, BUT WE AGAINST IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THE SENIOR LIVING CENTER, DOES NOT HAVE THE AMENITY AND REALLY ENVIRONMENTAL SUPPORT LIKE ATTACHMENT THEY HAVE IN MCKINNEY. MCKINNEY CAMPUS. THERE IS 80 ACRES, 400 UNITS FOR TWO PHASE, BUT IN HERE IS 18 ACRES FOR 367 UNITS. SO THE HIGH DENSITY IS THE HIGHEST IN SOUTHLAKE AND PLUS NORTH CAROLINA BY 14 ARE BUSIEST INTERSECTION IN SOUTHLAKE BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE TO ALL THE ACTIVITY IN TOWNE CENTER. IT ALSO IS THE BUSIEST STREET. GO TO THAT PART OF THE KERALA. AND PLUS WE HAVE TWO SCHOOLS, THREE CHURCHES IN THIS SMALL AREAS AND THE TRAFFIC IS UNBEARABLE IN THE IN THE SCHOOL TIME. OKAY. AND YOU CANNOT GET OUT FROM NORTH CAROLINA FOR SURE. AND NOW THE NEXT YEAR, 355TH GRADE ARE GOING TO COME TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ONLY HAVE ONE WAY TO GO IN IS THE KIRKWOOD. KIRKWOOD. IF PEOPLE LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE THE SOUTHLAKE, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE THE HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY. TURN AROUND, GO THROUGH THE CAMPBELL TO GO TO THE CAMPUS. THEY GO IN THROUGH THE NORTH. THEY GO INTO THE EAST HIGHLAND. AND THEN. AND WHEN THEY GET OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO GRACELAND. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S A 1100 STUDENT ALONE JUST FOR THIS PART OF THE 1.3 MILES. THIS IS HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNUSUAL. AND THEN WE HAVE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL JAMMING THE TRAFFIC FOR THE DROP [04:20:04] POINT FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. POST THE IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT POINT FOR YOU. STOP THE TRAFFIC OR GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC AND GO ALL THE WAY TO GO TO THE DROP POINT IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND. THE NEXT HOUR IS MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON. WE ALSO HAVE EXTREMELY PROBLEMS WITH DRAINAGE. YOUR TIME IS UP, SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP IF YOU'LL JUST FINISH. THERE'S NO RETENTION POND FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO THE WATER GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THE WAY THROUGH ABOUT 40 HOUSES DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE CREEK. WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE WE HAVE A CROWD OUT HERE. THANK YOU THOUGH. NEXT IS SHARON CHEN AT 1201. SAINT EMILION COURT WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU SIR. SHARON CHAN FROM 1201 IN COURT. THIS GENTLEMAN RAISED A REALLY GREAT POINT. SO ESSENTIALLY THE TORCH MARK PEOPLE IS A ONE OWNER. SO THEY DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE OWNERS. THEY CAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. SO THEY CAN LATER ON CHANGE THEIR MIND AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO WHATEVER THEY NEEDED TO BECAUSE FRANKLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THEIR MATH ON THEIR FINANCIAL METRICS THAT THERE WERE THAT MANY PEOPLE WILL GIVE THEM $800,000 MILLION TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO FOR SENIOR LIVING. I THINK THE BETTER USE OF THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE SHOULD BE A LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL. LET ME THINK. LET ME TELL YOU WHY I THINK THIS IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE, BECAUSE I THINK THE SCHOOL IS SHORTSIGHTED. I KNOW THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU PUT A SENIOR LIVING CENTER THERE, YOU BASICALLY TAKEN AWAY THE PROBABILITY OF HAVING LOW DENSITY HOMES. SO YOU WILL HAVE KIDS SO THOSE KIDS CAN GO TO THE SCHOOL LATER. YOU'RE PUTTING THE SENIOR LIVING CENTER. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY KIDS. SO IN MY MIND, I THINK WE SHOULD NOT MAKE A DECISION THAT IS SHORTSIGHTED, THAT IT WILL CUT OFF FUTURE SUPPLY OF STUDENTS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND ON TOP OF IT, THE CONGESTION IS GOING TO BE CREATED. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY HAVE OVER 400 PARKING LOTS PARKING SPACE. WHY WOULD THEY NEED THAT MANY PARKING SPACES? BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE. IT'S A REALLY GLORIFIED HIGH DENSITY APARTMENT, BUT THEY CALL IT A SENIOR LIVING CENTER. I MYSELF, IT'S GOING TO BE A SENIOR VERY SOON ALREADY THERE. SO I'M NOT AGAINST THE SENIOR, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR CENTER. I THINK THAT DISLOCATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR LOW DENSITY HOUSING, JUST LIKE ACROSS THE 114 IN THE IN THE TOWN CENTER RIGHT NOW. I, I THINK THAT IT'S A MUCH BETTER USE OF LAND. PLUS, I THINK IF YOU DO THAT, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE THERE. IF YOU DO A LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, YOU COULD BE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN KEEP THAT HISTORIC BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE TRADITION OF THE SOUTH CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT IS GEORGIA LITTLE AT 908 EDGEMERE LANE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. GEORGIA LITTLE IN OPPOSITION. SANJAY VORA BHATHENA 1921. BIG BEND COURT WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. SANJAY IN OPPOSITION. ALEX ZAAL 1203. ASHMORE COURT. WE'LL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AGAIN. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YEAH. ALEX. AL 1203 ASHMORE COURT, SOUTHLAKE. THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMITMENT TO MAKE SOUTHLAKE THE PLACE THAT WE ALL WANT TO BE HERE. AND I KNOW PEOPLE ARE FOR AND AGAINST THIS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT HONESTLY, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF IT WASN'T FOR THE 25 AND 30 YEAR PLANS THAT WE'VE BEEN EXECUTING AGAINST. THAT'S HIGH DENSITY, PERIOD. THE DEFINITION OF APARTMENTS. IF YOU COLLECT A BUNCH OF DWELLING UNITS, THAT'S A MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY. THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY. IT'S GOT SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT CAN BE EASILY TAKEN AWAY, ESPECIALLY WITH ONE OWNER BEING THE ONLY ONE THAT SAYS, I DON'T LIKE THE DEED RESTRICTION. TAKE IT AWAY, PLEASE. AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES IT. YOU DO THIS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH INDIVIDUAL OWNERS. THEY ALL HAVE TO COME IN AND SAY, YES, WE ALL AGREE TO THIS. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. I AGREE 100% WITH ZERO. [04:25:04] PARKING AND THE IMPACT OF TWO SECONDS. DOUBT IT. TODAY THE PARKING WAS BACKED UP TO HIGHLAND ON KIRKWOOD FOR THE SCHOOL. TWICE A TWICE A DAY. EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK THE SCHOOL BACKS UP TO WHERE YOU CAN'T GET TO HIGHLAND FROM CAROL, BECAUSE THEY'RE PARKED THERE. YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF CAROL BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE IS BLOCKED UP WITH PEOPLE WAITING TO GET TO JOHNSON. THEIR OWN PAPERWORK SHOWS THAT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE TWO EVENTS A DAY AND TURN IT INTO, I THINK EVERY HOUR THERE'S GOING TO BE A SHIFT CHANGE. THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS. THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT. THAT ROAD DOESN'T SUPPORT IT. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THIS IS BEING IT'S UNREALISTIC, I BELIEVE. AND I THINK THE RIGHT TURN FORCE IS GOING TO CAUSE IT, IT'S BEING DONE TO MAKE IT EASY TO GET OUT OF THAT PROPERTY. AND IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ALL THAT TRAFFIC TO SHIFT OVER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO AND DO THE TURNAROUND AND COME BACK DOWN. THEY'RE GOING TO TURN ON THE HIGHLAND. SO IT'S GOING TO CLOG UP HIGHLAND EVEN MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS. IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN CAROL MIDDLE SCHOOL IS GETTING OUT, WHEN YOU GOT ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING IN ON HIGHLAND TO KIRKWOOD. I HOPE YOU GUYS VOTE AGAINST THIS. TAKE THEM BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. REDUCE THE DENSITY. THAT'S IT. IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT. COULD BE GREAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT STUFFING MY ELDERLY GRANDPARENTS INTO A 375 SQUARE FOOT BOX. I WOULDN'T DO THAT. SO REDUCE THE DENSITY, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT IS KAREN ZOLL. 1203 ASHMORE COURT. WE'LL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. WELCOME. THANK YOU. I'M KAREN ZOLL 1203 ASHMORE COURT. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 21 YEARS, AND WE'VE FOUGHT HIGH DENSITY FOR ALMOST EVERY SINGLE YEAR. IT'S SOMETHING TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME AGAIN. AND I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF SHOCKED THAT THIS IS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED, BECAUSE THIS IS DEFINITELY HIGH DENSITY. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELEVATION, ESPECIALLY NOT JUST THE DENSITY, BUT THE ELEVATION IS JUST INSANE TO ME AND TO MR. REYNOLDS, YOUR POINT, I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN MY FRONT YARD AND LOOK AT THIS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE TOPS OF THE BUILDINGS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE LIGHTS. THEY'RE ALREADY TAKEN AWAY. ABOUT HALF OF THE TREES. I KNOW THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO PLANT SOME, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE, YOU KNOW, 200 YEAR OAKS THAT ARE THERE NOW. SO DENSITY, THIS COULD BE DONE, I THINK, IN A WAY BETTER FASHION. I ALSO AGREE WITH ZITO ABOUT THE ABOUT WHAT HE SAID. SO YEAH, JUST PLEASE RECONSIDER. OUR TRAFFIC IS A NIGHTMARE. IF YOU DO GET ON TO CAROL WITH THE ISLAMIC CENTER, JOHNSON ELEMENTARY RESTORATION CHURCH, GATEWAY CHURCH. YOU GOT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. IT'S SO MUCH GOING ON YOU CAN'T. IT SOMETIMES TAKES 20 MINUTES TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS NEEDS TO BE LOWERED. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. NEXT IS HELEN PEARSON, 470. SOUTH VIEW TRAIL WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. I SAW HELEN EARLIER, BUT I THINK SHE LEFT HELEN PEARSON IN OPPOSITION. LORI SCHNEIDER 1418 MONARCH WAY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LORI SCHNEIDER. 1418 MONARCH WAY. FIRST OFF, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AL SAID. I WILL HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT I FEEL. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE PAST 20 SOME ODD YEARS, MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT KEEPING THE DENSITY LOW IN SOUTHLAKE. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH ANYTHING, ANY OF THE STANDARDS WE'VE AGREED TO IN THE PAST 23 YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED HERE, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTABLE. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU ALL WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS, WHY YOU WOULD SUPPORT IT, AND WHY WE'RE WANTING TO LOWER OUR STANDARDS. THIS IS TOO DENSE AND IT'S RENTALS. IT IS APARTMENTS REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYBODY HAS SAID. YOU ALL VOTED NO ON A SIMILAR PROJECT JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND NOW YOU'RE WANTING TO ENTERTAIN THIS. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE LOWER DENSITY AND WHY CAN'T WE HAVE OWNED UNITS? I'M NOT AGAINST A SENIOR FACILITY. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT OUR STANDARDS. OUR SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT SAID THEY HAVE PROPOSED A RESTRICTION THAT WOULD PREVENT THIS BECOMING A RUN OF THE MILL APARTMENT COMPLEX. WELL, WE KNOW THIS ISN'T TRUE. AS COUNCILMAN TAGGART POINTED OUT AND ASK QUESTIONS. OUR CITY LAWYER CONCURRED. IT CAN TURN INTO APARTMENTS WITH THE SIMPLE VOTE OF A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO RESPECTFULLY, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME, BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP OUR STANDARDS HIGH AND OUR DENSITY LOW AND DO THE RIGHT THING. [04:30:04] AND DON'T ALLOW THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T PICK THE CASES THAT COME OUR WAY. WE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE A COURTHOUSE. EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH GETS TO COME THE DISTANCE. SO JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP, THAT WE DON'T PICK THE CASES. BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. KAREN BUMGARDNER 803. HILLCREST. WE'LL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. WELCOME. HI, MY NAME IS KAREN BUMGARDNER. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN SOUTHLAKE FOR ALMOST 32 YEARS. WE ARE OPPOSED TO HIGH DENSITY, WHICH MEANS WE ARE OPPOSED TO APARTMENTS. THESE ARE APARTMENTS. AN APARTMENT IS AN APARTMENT, AND APARTMENT. DEFINITION IS A SELF-CONTAINED PRIVATE HOUSING UNIT THAT OCCUPIES PART OF THE LARGER BUILDING OR COMPLEX. IT'S AN APARTMENT. I THINK THAT A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, ANOTHER ONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION. I HAVE MANY FRIENDS THAT LIVE OVER IN WATER MAYOR AND SOUTHLAKE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL OVER THERE. THEY HAVE VILLAS, THEY HAVE HOUSES. BUT LET ME TELL YOU, THESE PEOPLE DRIVE SO YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMING AND GOING. GO SIT OUT IN FRONT OF WATER. MAYOR AND SOUTHLAKE 96 YEAR OLD FRIEND OF MINE STILL DRIVES HER CAR, 85 YEAR OLDS. I GO TO WHITECHAPEL, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. THEY DRIVE. SO DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE SITTING IN THIS PLACE DOING NOTHING OR TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING. IT'S IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST NOT THE PERFECT SPOT TO HAVE THIS. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. BOTTOM LINE. AND, AND NOW I'M EVEN MORE BLOWN AWAY WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF THE MONEY. SO MY 89 YEAR OLD MOTHER IS GOING TO SELL HER HOUSE, GIVE YOU ALL OF HER MONEY AND THEN COME LIVE THERE. STILL HAVE TO PAY. THAT IS LIKE A REVERSE MORTGAGE. THAT IS LIKE STEALING, I THINK, FROM OLD PEOPLE. THAT'S MY OPINION. PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THIS. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT IN OUR COMMUNITY. PROTECT OUR TRADITION. SOUTHLAKE IS SPECIAL. SOUTHLAKE IS NOT LIKE OTHER CITIES. ASK ALL THE CITIES AROUND US. EVERYBODY LOVES TO HATE SOUTHLAKE. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. WE HAVE A GREAT THING HERE IN SOUTHLAKE. PLEASE DON'T RUIN IT AND LET THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX GO IN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS HEATHER CURTIS. ONE. TWO. ONE TWO. SAINT EMILION COURT WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. GOOD EVENING. I'M HEATHER CURTIS. I LIVE AT 1212 SAINT EMILION COURT. I AM THE NEIGHBORS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. I AM THE NEIGHBOR WITH THE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING. I AM THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT I THOUGHT WERE DONE WITH GOOD FAITH. BUT WHEN I HEAR A GROUP OF DEVELOPERS TRY TO SPEAK AROUND THE CONCEPT THAT THESE ARE NOT APARTMENTS, WHEN THEY ARE, I LOSE FURTHER FAITH AND ANY KIND OF HONESTY AND INTEGRITY. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS COMING TO. WE TALK ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP. A PARTNERSHIP MEANS THAT IT'S A WIN WIN. THIS IS NOT A WIN WIN. THIS IS A WIN FOR THEM AND A LOSE FOR SOUTHLAKE. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO SENIOR LIVING, NOT AT ALL. WHAT I AM OPPOSED TO IS VERY, VERY, VERY HIGH DENSITY, ESPECIALLY NEAR TWO SCHOOLS WITH YOUNG KIDS, PROPERTIES THAT LIKE OURS THAT WE MOVE THERE FOR, FOR THE QUIETNESS OF IT, NOT TO BE LOOKING AT A SIX STORY APARTMENT BUILDING IT, IT'S APARTMENTS. THERE'S BEEN NO GUARANTEE ABOUT DRAINAGE BEING FIXED. WE KNOW PART OF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR IT, WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. WE KNOW THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FLOODING. WE KNOW THAT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET RIGHT NOW AREN'T WHAT THEY SHOULD BE. THEY'RE NOT ENOUGH. I THINK I JUST I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. I THINK THAT IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP, IT REALLY HAS TO BE A WIN WIN. AND ASKING SOUTHLAKE TO VACATE ITS STANDARDS THAT HAVE MADE THIS TOWN DESIRABLE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. I'M FIRMLY AGAINST THIS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. NEXT IS JAMES GUERRERO 1003. MEADOW COURT WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. I'M A 20 YEAR SOUTHLAKE RESIDENT, AND I AM OF AN AGE WHERE A PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD BENEFIT ME, BUT I WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN IT. NUMBER ONE, IT'S TOO DENSE. I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY UNITS THAT WOULD BE CRAMMED INTO IT. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE INDIVIDUAL LIVING IN PHASE ONE WOULD BE 150 UNITS AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 42 IN PHASE TWO. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TOO DENSE. I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY IN KEEPING WITH SOUTHLAKE, WHICH I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO KEEP THIS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY. I DON'T SEE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. [04:35:02] AND FINALLY, JUST FROM A PERSONAL OR SAFETY CONCERN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD DO IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY AND THIS INDIVIDUAL LIVING, BUILT BUILDING NEEDED TO BE EVACUATED, ESPECIALLY WITH PEOPLE OF THE AGE WHO WOULD BE LIVING THERE. GRANTED, THEY WOULD STILL BE MOBILE AND SO FORTH. BUT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY. THANKS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT IS CASEY PALMER AT 1060. PRIMROSE LANE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS. CASEY PALMER IN SUPPORT OF TOUCHMARK. ALL RIGHT NEXT IS WHITNEY CAPS 1582 FLAMINGO CIRCLE. WE'LL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. WHITNEY CAPS IN SUPPORT. DAVID CUNNINGHAM 1701. GRASS COURT WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID CUNNINGHAM. WE LIVE AT 1701 GRASS COURT. I WISH I KNOWN I COULD HAVE GOT A PINCH HITTER TO SPEAK FOR ME. I'D HAVE BEEN IN BED BY NOW, BUT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. MY WIFE AND I WERE MEETING RIGHT AFTER MY BIRTHDAY, AND WE REALIZED I TURNED 69 AND ABOUT TO TURN 70, THAT WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS NEXT FOR US. AND SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A CONTINUUM OF OF LIFE FACILITY JUST LIKE THIS. WE VISITED A COUPLE MY MOM HAS RECENTLY BEEN PUT INTO AN ASSISTED LIVING. MY MOTHER IN LAW PASSED AT SILVER, SILVER OAK, WHATEVER THE NAME OF THE PLACE IS. SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND THESE FACILITIES AND WHEN WE SAW THE DRAWINGS FOR THIS ONE COME OUT, WE IMMEDIATELY SAID, YES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY INTERESTING TO US. NOW WE'RE 70, ABOUT TO BE 70 YEARS OLD. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT TIME IS GOING TO COME FOR US. WE ALL GET OLDER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY TEN YEARS AWAY FROM LOOKING AT THIS AS AN ALTERNATE FORM OF HOME FOR OURSELVES, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S LIKELY WHAT WE WILL DO. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT. IT MAY IT'S MADE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE ANCHORED HERE. WE'VE BEEN HERE IN SOUTHLAKE GRAPEVINE FOR 50 YEARS. AND, AND WE OWN OUR HOME. THAT'S, THAT'S 4/10 OF A MILE AWAY. SO I UNDERSTAND ALL THE COMPLAINTS OR ARGUMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT. THEY JUST DON'T EXIST WITH THIS PROJECT. ANYBODY THAT COULD SEE THE THIS PRESENTATION AND UNDERSTAND MATH UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE TRAFFIC GENERATED WITH THIS PROJECT. SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE ANCHORED HERE. MY SON AND DAUGHTER IN LAW ARE BUILDING A HOME IN MISSION HILLS WITH OUR FOUR GRANDKIDS. WE'RE ANCHORED HERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE ANCHORED HERE EVEN FURTHER. AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS A SERVICE TO THE ELDERLY IN THIS COMMUNITY. THIS WILL BE A SERVICE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO CLOSE THIS LAND PURCHASE. IT WILL BE A SERVICE TO THE CITY TO HAVE THIS FACILITY AS NICE AS IT IS GOING TO BE. IT'S FIRST CLASS. IT'S A SERVICE TO THE TAX BASE BECAUSE OF THE 200 TO $250 MILLION PROJECT. THIS WILL BE IN SERVICE TO THE ELDERLY, AND I. AND I REALLY AM QUITE INSULTED WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME UP HERE AND, AND, AND ARE JUST IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THAT. IT'S SELFISH. NEXT IS CANDICE CAPERTON MANLY AT 1204. WHISPERING LANE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. CANDICE. I THINK SHE'S HERE. CANDICE. CAPTAIN MANLY IN SUPPORT. RYAN JACOBSEN 709 DOMINION DRIVE WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT. RYAN JACOBSEN, 709 DOMINION DRIVE. JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. I KNOW THIS WON'T BE AN EASY VOTE AND SO THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID AT PNC, I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THIS SPIN. FULLY SUPPORT THIS. HCS DID AN AMAZING JOB. THE WAY THEY DESIGNED THIS, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I CONSIDER THIS MORE OF A FIVE STAR RESORT HOTEL FOR THE SENIORS. APARTMENTS? YES. WE HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST APARTMENTS IN THIS TOWN. OUR FAMILY SINCE 92. WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS HERE BECAUSE THE STANDARD HERE OF THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT. WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SHARPEN IRON WITH IRON. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF PERSON AND FAMILY WE WANT HERE THAT'S DRIVEN, THAT'S SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WE WANT OUR CHILDREN TO DO THE SAME. WE WANT TO BE SURROUNDED BY THAT. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING HERE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. THIS ISN'T RIFF RAFF. THIS IS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUILT THIS TOWN, THIS COMMUNITY. [04:40:04] THEY DESERVE A PLACE TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THERE'S A WAIT LIST AT THE OTHER SENIOR CENTERS IN TOWN. THERE'S A DEMAND FOR THIS. BOOMERS. GEN X, MILLENNIALS, GEN Z THERE'S A LOT OF POPULATION. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DEMAND FOR SENIOR CENTERS, SENIOR CENTERS MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO INCREASE THE INVENTORY IN THIS AREA FOR THAT. IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE 17% IMPROVEMENT. NEVER HEARD OF THAT. THAT'S INCREDIBLE. PLANTING 100 TREES 62%. I THINK IT WAS PARKING UNDERGROUND. NO OTHER DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS ON THIS ON THIS SITE. THE WAY THAT THEY'VE TIERED THIS PROPERTY, YOU GET LOWER BUILDINGS ON THE OUTER SIDE. THE BUILDING ACTUALLY GOES DIAGONALLY TO REDUCE THE ACTUAL ELEVATION WIDTH FROM THE STREETS AND FROM YOUR VISUALS. THIS COUNCIL APPROVED A HOTEL OVER ON THE TRADEMARK DEAL AT 84FT. SO THIS IS COMPARABLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF HOTELS IN TOWN THAT ARE HIGHLY DENSE, A LOT OF UNITS. SO A BUNCH OF STRANGERS, WE CAN PUT 250 PEOPLE INTO A BUILDING IN TOWN, CAN GET DRUNK IN TOWN, BUT WE'RE AFRAID OF 250 TO 300 GRANDPARENTS LIVING IN TOWN. WHY? WHY ARE WE SCARED OF GRANDPARENTS STAYING HERE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ONE AREA. THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND ALL THOSE THINGS. IT ACTUALLY WILL OPEN UP 300 HOMES IN TOWN. THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF HOUSES FOR YOUNG FAMILIES. THAT HELPS OUT CAROL. ALL THE THINGS THAT HELP OUT CAROL ARE HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ANOTHER THOUSAND STUDENTS. THAT'S WHAT, $8 MILLION BACK FROM THE STATE, 3 MILLION TOWARDS TEACHERS. THAT'S A DELTA LIKE 4 TO 5 MILLION. WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK FROM THE STATE EVERY YEAR, INCREDIBLY, CAROL. THEY'RE ALSO TOWARDS THE ENDOWMENT FUND. I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME. BUT PROTECT THE TRADITION GETS THROWN AROUND QUITE A BIT AROUND HERE. THAT IS ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE TRADITIONS THAT CAME BEFORE YOU AND THE PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU. AND YES, I WANT TO PROTECT THE ELDERLY PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN THAT BUILT THIS TOWN. SO THAT IS PROTECTING THE TRADITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS MEGAN KINSLOW 2054 MIRACLE DRIVE. WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT. MEGAN KINSLOW IN SUPPORT. ERIN MONAHAN, SEVEN TWO, THREE WINDSOR CREEK DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. IS AARON HERE? DOES SHE WANT TO SPEAK? AARON MONAHAN IN SUPPORT. FRANCES CONNOR MONAHAN 723. WINDSOR CREEK DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. IRENE SANCHEZ 1304 FOREST HILLS WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. IRENE SANCHEZ IN OPPOSITION. THOSE ARE THE CARDS WE HAVE FOR SPEAKERS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WHO HASN'T ALREADY SPOKEN? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE COMMENT CARDS FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK AGAIN, IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SPOKEN AND CHANGED YOUR MIND AND DO WANT TO SPEAK, I'LL INVITE YOU UP. JEN HORSLEY 1803. LANTANA COURT. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. KEVIN TUBB, I THINK ALREADY SPOKE. 1200 SAINT-EMILION COURT. HE ALREADY SPOKE, I THINK. ANOTHER KEVIN TUB. KHADIJA SIDDIQUI 416 STOCKTON DRIVE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION. MARK PEARSON 470. SOUTHVIEW TRAIL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION. AMAAR HAQ 416 STOCKTON DRIVE. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION. ROBERT PFEIFFER 141340. WOODBROOK. COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT RECORDS OPPOSITION. KATE ZEDNIK AT 305 CANYON LAKE DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT SUPPORTS THE ITEMS. BEATRIX. CUELLAR 1322. WHITE WING COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. THERESA RIGGS 606. LOVING COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF SENIOR INDEPENDENT SMALL HOMES. VERA HALL, ONE 306. HOUSTON COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT FOR SENIOR HOUSING. ZDENKA WILCOX, 1007. SOUTHLAKE HILLS DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. INA. OGAN, 918. MIDLAND CREEK DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. JESSICA PATTERSON 1351. EMERALD CIRCLE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT SENDS SUPPORT. CHAD ZDENEK 305. CANYON LAKE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. [04:45:04] BRIAN WILCOX 1007. SOUTHLAKE HILLS DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT SENDS SUPPORT. EVELYN RUBACH 1793 KINGSWOOD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. DARIUS MCGHEE 1201. WHISPERING LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. JULIE WALTER, 612 PARK PLACE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. D N BARTON 1328. REGENCY COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. RANDY BESHEAR 9701 NORTH. CARROLL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. JOEY MILNER 651. EAST HIGHLAND DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. LORI SCHNEIDER I THINK WE HEARD FROM LORI ALREADY. THIS. KAREN BUMGARDNER I THINK WE ALREADY HEARD FROM HEATHER CURTIS. WE ALREADY HEARD FROM LISA QUINN. 1036 DIAMOND BOULEVARD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. MARY LEE ALFORD 1812. SAINT PHILIP AVENUE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT. KARL ALL FOR IT 1812. SAINT PHILIP AVENUE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN SUPPORT. THOSE ARE THE COMMENT CARDS. NOW WE HAVE SOME ONLINE SUBMITTALS. MICHELLE M 1015. SHADY LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. BRUCE PALUMBO 1705. GRASS COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. PENELOPE PALUMBO 1705. GRASS COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. COLIN HENDRICKSON 3521 NORTH GRAVEL CIRCLE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. DORIAN STACEY 1034 MEADOW BEND. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT SUPPORTS THE ITEM. VIRGINIA PRESTON 1306. WAKEFIELD COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT SUPPORTS. LYNN CUNNINGHAM. 1701 GRASS COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. BETTY CLEVELAND ONE EXCUSE ME. 3155 MERRIMACK COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. LAURA HEATH 211 WESTWOOD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. CHRISTINA STACEY 1306 LAKESIDE DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. LESLIE WALKER 1403 BRIGHTON COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. VERA HALL, 1300 HOUSTON COURT DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. GINA GRIFFIN, 803 POTOMAC PLACE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. CAROL KELLY 416. MARSHALL ROAD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. RICHARD MURPHY, 1304. HOUSTON COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. MICHAEL HEATH 211. WESTWOOD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. DENNIS CLEVELAND 3155. MERRIMACK COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN SUPPORT. SARAH BEAGLE. 21211 BAY MEADOWS DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN OPPOSITION, RANDALL BESHEAR, 2701 NORTH AVENUE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. ELIOT DILLMAN, 609 LOGAN'S LANE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. ALEXANDER ALEXANDER BRYCE, 1115 CALAIS DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. CARRIE CARAS 610. LOGAN'S LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. MARIO MONTEMAYOR 1234. TIMBERLINE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. ONORA TAYLOR 806. VICTORIA LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. CHRISTINA DAMLUJI 612 BORDEAUX DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. CHIA IT. CHEUNG AT SIX. AT 702. ABERDEEN WAY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. CHRIS CORREA 601610. LOGANS LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. RYAN KINSLOW 2054 MIRACLE POINT DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. DONNA GRUPP 222 WESTWOOD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. LAURA TOVAR 1234. TIMBERLINE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. MARIO MONTEMAYOR 1234. TIMBERLINE COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. NINA FRANKS, 700 VENICE AVENUE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. JOSEPHINE KNEE 475. BENTWOOD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN OPPOSITION. GABRIELLA MILLER, 405 ORCHARD HILL DRIVE, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. [04:50:01] FRANCES BANNISTER, 805. DURHAM COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN SUPPORT. MARTHA. THREE. ONE. TWO. KING RANCH DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN SUPPORT. MARILYN. DAVAO. TWO. SIX. TWO ZERO. ROLLING LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN SUPPORT. JULIE DOYLE. 109 STARLING COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN OPPOSITION. JAY SPIELHOFER. 309 TIMBERLAKE DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. MEGAN BRANDON 1214. WOODSY COURT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. KATHY TALLEY ADDRESS IS NOT ON HERE. RIDGE. RIDGECREST DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN OPPOSITION. LAURIE KRUG 2705 NORTH. CARROLL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN OPPOSITION. MITCH STACY. 1306 LAKESIDE DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. KIMBERLY JACOBSEN, 709 DOMINION DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. SAMUEL CHEUNG, 702 ABERDEEN WAY, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IN SUPPORT. MARLENE, AT 807 ABERDEEN WAY, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. LAUREN FOX, 712 WINDSOR CREEK DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. AND CINDY LEONE AT 710 INWOOD DRIVE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR SUBMIT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD? ANYONE? I PUT MY GLASSES ON SO I CAN SEE ANYONE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR WAITING. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE WE RETHINK THIS NEXT TIME. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THEN GO AHEAD. BILLY WILLIAMS 115 SURREY COURT SOUTHLAKE. ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER A PERFECT SCENARIO FOR WHERE WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE'S A REAL DEMAND FOR THAT. IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO PUT A PARENT IN ONE? YOU REALLY WANT THEM CLOSER TO YOU THAN FURTHER AWAY, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO GO AND SEE THEM REGULARLY. AND WHEN THE CAPACITY FOR THE CITY IS TOO LOW, AND YOU GOT TO PUT THEM FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY BECAUSE OF OF EVERYBODY IS FULL, IT GETS REALLY DIFFICULT. AND THAT'S A HARD AND MOST OF YOU PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THAT MAYBE AT SOME TIME. AND AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO THINK WE TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES AND OUR HOME, WE'D ALWAYS HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO HAVING A PLACE LIKE THIS, THE KIND OF INVESTMENT I THINK TOUCHMARK IS MAKING TO A VERY, VERY NICE PLACE, I THINK IN THE LONG RUN WILL MEAN A LOT TO SOUTHLAKE TO HAVE YOUR HAVE OUR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, I'M GETTING CLOSE TO THERE MYSELF TO BE ABLE TO STAY CLOSE TO FAMILY, GRANDKIDS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY POINT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE SOME ONLINE SUBMITTALS, SO BEAR WITH ME. DAVID ALEXANDER, 904 QUAIL CREEK, OPPOSE MAYOR LEE ALFORD. I THINK WE ALREADY HEARD FROM IN FAVOR RACHEL ALLEN, 108 LONDONDERRY TERRACE IN FAVOR. JENNIFER ANDREWS, 303 BRIER LANE, IN FAVOR. KATE ARENDT AT 2760 RAINTREE IN FAVOR. JAMES ARMSTRONG 1205 SAINT EMILION COURT OPPOSED. JOHN AND DON AVERY 4405 SADDLEBACK LANE IN FAVOR. D BAXTER AT 1328. REGENCY COURT IN FAVOR. DONNA BAKER 1335. MEADOW GLEN IN FAVOR. REED AND PATRICIA BELEW 1004 ASPEN RIDGE OPPOSED. DARLA BARNES 701 POTOMAC PLACE IN FAVOR. ZACK AND HOLLY BASIL, 812 PYRENEES IN FAVOR. DAVID BATES, 2714 MILES CITY IN FAVOR. MAGDALENA BATTLES TWO ONE, FOUR THREE RANCH HOUSE IN FAVOR. JULIE BEALL ADDRESSES MISSING AS OPPOSED. ALAN LESLIE BEAN 101 TWO WHITTINGTON PLACE IN FAVOR. ANGIE BEATTY 32818. SUMMIT RIDGE IN FAVOR. BRANT AND JULIE BEDGOOD TWO ONE, FOUR FOUR. BENT COVE AND GRAPEVINE IN FAVOR. ASHLEY BELLARD HUTCHISON, 2602 SOUTH QUAIL RUN OPPOSED. LAUREN BELMONTE 1311. HAT CREEK OPPOSED. LORI BERKOWITZ 1305. BYRON NELSON IN FAVOR. SHERI BERMAN 818. PARKDALE OPPOSED. I THINK WE HEARD FROM HER ALREADY. RANDALL AND JULIE BESHEAR 2701 NORTH CARROLL IN FAVOR. SARAH B BIAGINI 4522. SHADY WOOD IN FAVOR. SARAH BEAGLE 1211. BAY MEADOWS OPPOSED BARTON BOONE 421. MARSHALL IN FAVOR. JAMES AND RENEE BOTTOM 1412. WHISPERING DELL IN FAVOR. SHERRI BOWLES 3317. JACKSON IN FAVOR. SHERRI BRICE 1115. [04:55:05] CAL A IN FAVOR. ETHAN AND SHANNON BRUNER 1599. FLAMINGO CIRCLE IN FAVOR. JACKIE BURLINGAME THREE EXCUSE ME 645. BRIER RIDGE IN FAVOR. ASHLEY BURNETT ADDRESSES MISSING IN FAVOR. MARGARET BURNETT 1002. QUAIL RUN IN FAVOR. KENNETH AND ELIZABETH BURR 3301. GRAY LANE IN FAVOR. ADAM BUTCHER 129 WELLFORD LANE IN FAVOR. JACQUELYN BUTTERFIELD 1307 HOUSTON COURT IN FAVOR. MEGAN BUTTS 1002 ASHLAND ASHLAND DRIVE OPPOSED. LOGAN CAMPBELL 1209. WHISPERING LANE IN FAVOR. WHITNEY CAPPS 1582. FLAMINGO CIRCLE IN FAVOR. LINDSEY KASTNER 1215 CONCORD AVENUE IN FAVOR. RACHEL SALUCCI 705 TRUE LOVE TRAIL IN FAVOR. SAM AND SURYA CHARLES 2021 LAKE VISTA IN FAVOR. SHARON CHEN 1201 SAINT EMILION AND OPPOSED. CHUNG 702 ABERDEEN IN FAVOR. JERRY COHEN 603 RUSTIC RIDGE IN FAVOR. JOSEPH AND MCKENZIE COCHRAN. 309 LAKE DRIVE IN FAVOR. MACY CRANSTON 1005. CAROL MEADOWS IN FAVOR. SHARON CHEN OPPOSED. BEATRIX COLON 1322. WHITE WING IN FAVOR. BRAD CURTIS ADDRESSES MISSING OPPOSED. HEATHER CURTIS 1212. SAINT EMILION IN FAVOR. MARK AND LYNN DALY 1311. EAGLE BEND OPPOSED CHRISTINA G 612. BORDEAUX IN FAVOR. SKYE DAVIS 2116. WOOD IN FAVOR. JENNIFER DEROGATIS 875. HARBOR IN FAVOR. ANGELA DIXON 700. BRYSON WAY IN FAVOR. DIANE DONOVAN ONE 904 BIG BEND AND GRAPEVINE IN FAVOR. TAYLOR DOMBROWSKI 2115 ESTES PARK, ESTES ROAD IN FAVOR. ADAM DESOUSA 1200. BLYTHE UNDECIDED. BRAD AND SUSAN DURST 1360. SUNSHINE IN FAVOR. BRIDGET DUNHAM, 403. COPPERFIELD OPPOSED. JENNIFER DYER, 2058. NORTH KIMBALL OPPOSED SARAH EDWARDS, FIVE EIGHT, ONE TWO WALTHAM AVENUE IN FAVOR. MARISSA ETTINGER OPPOSED. JEANNIE MEYER ONE THREE, THREE EIGHT FOREST LANE IN FAVOR. TYSON AND KENDRA IRWIN 502. VICKSBURG IN FAVOR. GAIL EVERETT, 1281. CYPRESS CREEK IN FAVOR. CLAIRE FIELDS 1225. STANHOPE OPPOSED. KIRSTEN FISHEL, 804 PYRENEES IN FAVOR. DAN FOLLAND 1224. SAINT-EMILION IN FAVOR. TRACEY FRADKIN AT ENGLAND. VOLKERS IN FAVOR. TRAVIS FRANKS 680. NORTH CARROLL IN FAVOR. KIMBERLEY FRANKS 775. LAKEWOOD IN FAVOR. RICK GEISEL TWO NINE, TWO ZERO. BERNIE LANE OPPOSED. COURTNEY GOOLSBY 608. LOGAN'S LANE IN FAVOR. SCOTT GRAHAM 222020. SOUTHLAKE GLEN IN FAVOR. MORGAN GRANDY 3525. BERNIE LANE IN FAVOR. MALLORY GRAY 1499. FLAMINGO CIRCLE IN FAVOR. ANDREW AND JENNIFER GREEVER THREE ONE, FIVE ZERO. PENINSULA COURT IN FAVOR. GINA GRIFFIN, 803 POTOMAC PLACE, OPPOSED. CINDY GROSSMAN 217 WESTWOOD DRIVE IN FAVOR. WE'RE GETTING THERE, FOLKS. RAY AND DONNA GRUPP 222. WESTWOOD IN FAVOR. VERONICA GUERRERO 1003. MEADOW COURT NEEDS TO BE LESS DENSE. LESLIE. GUESS FOR ONE ONE. BRYN MEADOWS OPPOSED. JACQUELINE GUTHRIE 1833. RIVIERA IN FAVOR. MICHAEL AND AARON HALL 804 DURHAM OPPOSED. CAITLIN HAMIL 213. EASTWOOD IN FAVOR. MALA HAMILTON 1427. KENSINGTON COURT IN FAVOR. TODD HARRIS 1005. QUAIL RUN IN FAVOR. BARBARA HARTIGAN 608. BLAIR COURT IN FAVOR. FREDERICK HOGG 2158. ESTES PARK IN FAVOR. BOWIE 1204 SAINT EMILION OPPOSED. JULIE HYATT 1399. WHITE WING IN FAVOR. TRACY HINCHCLIFFE 505 SAN JUAN IN FAVOR. CLAUDIA HOFFMAN, THREE FIVE, ONE SIX CARLTON STREET IN FAVOR. CHRISTINE HOLCOMB 3450. HILLSIDE DRIVE IN FAVOR. ASHLEY HOLT 2608. FREEMAN IN COURT AND IN FAVOR. JENNIFER HORSLEY ONE 803 LANTANA COURT IN FAVOR LUKE AND TAMMY HUBBARD. 1220 COSTA AZUL IN FAVOR. BRENDAN HUGHES 309. GREGG COURT IN FAVOR. KRISTIN HUGHES TWO 407 EMERALD COURT IN FAVOR. AARON IN 1207 SOUTH WHITE CHAPEL IN FAVOR. JEFF AND ALLISON ISRAEL 1347 MEADOW GLEN IN [05:00:09] FAVOR. RYAN JACOBSON 505. NORTHWOOD IN FAVOR. RANDY AND KIM JAMISON 1649 ROYAL OAKS IN FAVOR. JIM AND JOANNE 2812. RIVERBROOK IN FAVOR. JAMES AND KRISTA. JEFFREY 1204 GOLDEN GATE IN FAVOR. CHRISTINE JOHNSON 285 WEST CHAPEL DOWNS IN FAVOR. STACEY JOHNSON OPPOSED BRANT AND DIANA JONES 1000 SOUTH PATTONVILLE IN FAVOR. ALISA KANG, BARON 508 FOX GLEN IN FAVOR. BOB K 1450. SUNSHINE LANE IN FAVOR. KARI KARRAS. 610 LOGAN'S LANE IN FAVOR CHRISTY KELSON. 805 HEMSLEY PLACE IN FAVOR KERRY AND JILL KENNEDY. 1035 LASALLE IN FAVOR THROUGH Q JUMPER. 1219 WOODSY IN FAVOR STEVEN KETTERING. 15880 RANDOL MILL IN FAVOR. JIN HYUN KIM. 1208 LORD'S COURT IN FAVOR. RYAN AND MEGAN KINSLOW. 2054 MIRACLE POINT IN FAVOR LINDA KRISHNA. 1333 MONTGOMERY LANE IN FAVOR RACHEL LAROCQUE. 1960 FOX HOLLOW IN FAVOR VALERIE LEE. 1201 OAKHURST IN FAVOR. SEAN AND CHRISTY LEY. 1190 EAST DOVE IN FAVOR MICHELLE LEMKE. 1609 ENCLAVE IN FAVOR AMY LEPP OPPOSED STACY LOCKE. 216 EASTWOOD IN FAVOR CORBIN AND COURTNEY LOCKS. 604 PARK PLACE IN FAVOR. MINDY LUBBER 2106 MIRACLE POINT IN FAVOR. RON LUBBER 2106. MIRACLE POINT IN FAVOR. DAVE. MACH 3197 FANNIN LANE. OPPOSED. DARIUS AND KAREN MCGEE 1201 WHISPERING LANE IN FAVOR. MARISSA MAHON 2949. OPPOSED. RIVERCREST OPPOSED. FRED AND CANDACE MANLEY 1204. WHISPERING LANE IN FAVOR. MONTEMAYOR. MARIO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BACKWARDS 1234. TIMBERLINE IN FAVOR. JERRY AND GAIL MAZANOVSKY 104. RON LANE OPPOSED. ROBIN MCCOURT 1501. ONE 510 NORTH CARROLL IN FAVOR. JEFF AND PAULA MCCOURT 2020 VALE IN FAVOR. SCOTT AND LAUREN MCCONAUGHEY, 704 CASTLE ROCK IN FAVOR. NANCY MCENANEY 803 FAIRWOOD IN FAVOR. TAMARA MCMILLAN 121023. MISSION. IN FAVOR. CYNTHIA MELTON 1217. SAINT EMILION OPPOSED. DEBORAH MENKEN 2805 RIVERBROOK IN FAVOR. NATALIE MERCK BOARD. MERCK BOARD ADDRESSES. MISSING. OPPOSED. JAMES AND KAREN MERTZ 1402. WHISPERING DALE IN FAVOR. LARISSA MILBY 1212. CLUBHOUSE IN FAVOR. CODY AND EMILY MILLER 1004. QUAIL RUN IN FAVOR. GABRIELLE MILLER 405 ORCHARD LANE IN FAVOR. EMILY MILLER 1004. QUAIL RUN IN FAVOR. REBECCA MOODY, 400 SOUTHVIEW TRAIL IN FAVOR. ZACK AND MEREDITH MOWRY 1217. WHISPERING LANE IN FAVOR. FRANCES AND AARON MOYNAHAN, 723 WINDSOR CREEK IN FAVOR. KATERINA MURPHY 704. WINDING RIDGE IN FAVOR. THOMAS MURPHY 704 WINDING RIDGE IN FAVOR. THOMAS MURPHY AGAIN. JOHN NIELSEN N11O3. CROCKETT IN FAVOR. CHRIS NIEDERHOFFER 1200. BAY MEADOWS IS UNOPPOSED. UNDECIDED. BRIAN AND CARA O'LEARY 1308. CONCORD IN FAVOR. TYLER AND LINDSAY OGLESBY 1211. ASHMORE OPPOSE. SCOTT OLSON 1209 HAT CREEK IN FAVOR SUKHJIT PABLA 713. MANCHESTER OPPOSED. BROOKE PAZERA 2200 ESTES PARK IN FAVOR. AARON PEABODY 325 PINE IN FAVOR. JILL PHILLIPS 1220. SAINT EMILION OPPOSED WILBERT AND JOAN WATSON 900, LAKEWOOD IN FAVOR. DAVID AND JOLENE POTENZA 1000 INDEPENDENTS IN FAVOR. VIRGINIA PRESTON 1306. WAKEFIELD IN FAVOR. LISA QUINN 1036 DIMOND BOULEVARD IN FAVOR. WILLIAM AND SARAH QUINN 1330. NORTH CARROLL IN FAVOR. HILLARY RAMBLER, 602. STONEBRIDGE IN FAVOR JOHN RAFA AS ADDRESS IS MISSING OPPOSED. CATHERINE RAY 1708 LIVE OAK IN FAVOR. RYAN RIEGER 11833. RIVIERA IN FAVOR. DANNY AND LEANNA REYNOLDS 1106. TRAVIS IN FAVOR. THERESA RHODES 500 MORNINGSIDE IN FAVOR. BETH ROBERTSON 302. FOXBORO IN FAVOR. MICAH RYAN 903. [05:05:01] CHIMNEY HILL IN FAVOR. CHRIS AND TISH RILEY 1665. RANDOL MILL IN FAVOR. JOE SANSONE 1218. FOREST HILLS OPPOSED. JOHN SCHINDLER 804. PARKDALE OPPOSED SAT AND SAL AND MARTHA SHERPA 312. KING RANCH IN FAVOR. ROBERT SCHMIDT 1203. BLYTHE OPPOSE. KRISTEN SCHNEIDER 721 WINDING RIDGE OPPOSED. LORI SCHNEIDER 1418 MONARCH OPPOSED. JENNIFER SHUTTER 2001 VAIL OPPOSED GALA SCOTT 1045. CAROL MEADOWS IN FAVOR. CATHERINE 31314 FOREST HILLS IN FAVOR. PAUL AND RACHEL SIEGEL 903 MEADOW IN FAVOR MICHAEL CHAD CELLS 2513 OAK BEN IN FAVOR. JOSH SHATLEY 1734. OUR LANE IN FAVOR. VANESSA SHIFFLETT 1008. QUAIL RUN IN FAVOR. MIN SHIN 1202. LORDS LANE IN FAVOR. JANET SHUFF 1605 FOREST VISTA OPPOSED. SCOTT SMITH NO ADDRESS IN FAVOR. CLAY AND KATHY SMITH 1461406. WHISPERING DALE IN FAVOR. BRIAN SMITH 1208. EAST HIGHLAND UNDECIDED. AUDRA SNEED 1214. ASHMORE OPPOSED. LISA SPRAGGINS 121907. PARKED AT IS UNDECIDED. KRISTY STACEY 1306 LAKESIDE IN FAVOR. CHRISTOPHER STEWART 1210. ASHMORE IN FAVOR. STEPHANIE STEWART 1210. ASHMORE IS OPPOSED. SALLY STEWART 1613. CARUTH IN FAVOR. SHANE STEWART, 100 SAINT-TROPEZ. FAVOR. NICOLE STICKLAND STICKING 1203 STRATHMORE IN FAVOR. TREVOR AND JENNIFER STITT 131. HARRELL IN FAVOR. JOHN SUTTON 3269. LAKE DRIVE IN FAVOR. R DILLON WALKER 605. STONEBRIDGE IN FAVOR AND SWANSON 1502. FLAMINGO IN FAVOR. DIANE TACKER 2603 NORTH CARROLL IN FAVOR. CATHY TALLEY 2930. RIDGECREST DRIVE OPPOSED. MARY TOMAGO 702. PRINCE GEORGE IN FAVOR. JOHN AND TARA TAIT 1219. WHISPERING LANE IN FAVOR. ROXANNE TAYLOR 1301 REGENCY COURT IN FAVOR HONOR TAYLOR 806. VICTORIA IN FAVOR. LINDSAY TERRY 1355 CROSS TIMBER OPPOSED. TABITHA THOMAN 2814. TYLER IN FAVOR. RENEE THOMAS 2113. VAIL IN FAVOR. SHANE TOLLESON 902. QUAIL RUN IN FAVOR. ROSEMARIE TROCKEL 707. MOULTON OPPOSED. WENDY TUBB 1200 SAINT-EMILION OPPOSED. BECKY UNDERWOOD 1407 WHISPERING DALE IN FAVOR SHELLEY UNRUH 3191. HILLTOP IN FAVOR. JUDITH VEST 417. SOUTHRIDGE LAKES IN FAVOR. LAURA VICKERS, 403 SOUTHRIDGE LAKES IN FAVOR. CINDY VIOLETTE 710 INWOOD IN FAVOR. LESLIE WALKER NO ADDRESS IN FAVOR. LANE WALKER 1508 LAMONS LANE IN FAVOR. JULIE WALTER, 612 PARK PLACE IN FAVOR. JASON WANG 721 WINDING RIDGE OPPOSED. ABBY WATERSTREET 31202. LANSDOWN IN FAVOR KAYLA WELCH. 8325. RED ROSE IN FAVOR. PATRICK AND JENNIFER WHITFIELD. 1421. WHISPERING DALE IN FAVOR. BROOKE WEIBRECHT. 1340. BENT CREEK OR BENT TRAIL. EXCUSE ME. IN FAVOR THE DINA WILCOX. 1007 SOUTHLAKE HILLS IN FAVOR RAEBURN AND REBECCA WILLIAMS. 1902 HAY MEADOW OPPOSED BETSY WILLIFORD. 225 EASTWOOD IN FAVOR JENNIFER WORRALL. 901 BRISTOL OPPOSED ANDREW YEAGER. 1402 IN FAVOR RICHARD YATES MURPHY. 1304 HOUSTON IN FAVOR ALEX ZAAL. 1203 ASHMORE OPPOSED KAREN ZAAL. 1203 ASHMORE OPPOSED AND KATE ZDENEK. 305 CANYON LAKE IS IN FAVOR. OH, AND THEN AL ZITO. 501 POTOMAC PLACE. OPPOSED. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO BE HEARD OR PUT ON THEIR POSITION ON THE RECORD ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS OR ANY MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF? GO AHEAD. ERIC. YEAH, ACTUALLY, I HAD TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, SO DEFINITELY WON'T KEEP US WAY TOO LONG. SO I GUESS FOR DIRECTOR KEELER, ONE QUICK QUESTION IS CLARIFICATION AGAIN FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE. ORIGINALLY WHAT WE HAD PLANNED THERE, I REMEMBER YOU HAD IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT APPROVALS? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL PROPOSALS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BASED ON OUR SITE PLAN? [05:10:09] THE PROPOSED LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGES PARTS OF THE PROPERTY FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL. SEMIPUBLIC AND REGIONAL OR EXCUSE ME. RETAIL. COMMERCIAL TO THE ENTIRE SITE. MIXED USE AND MIXED USE IS THE BROADEST LAND USE CATEGORY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN ELEMENT. IT. IT CAN ALLOW ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL USES TO COMMERCIAL OFFICE, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, SOME LEVEL OF RETAIL SOME LEVELS OF INDUSTRIAL TYPE WAREHOUSE IF IT'S CONTAINED INDOOR LOW INTENSITY THAT LAND USE CATEGORIES INTENDED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND ACT AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN MORE INTENSE AND LESS INTENSE USES. SO IT NEEDS TO BE AS COMPREHENSIVELY PLANNED OUT AS POSSIBLE, AND MUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE LEVEL OF INTENSITIES ON ITS SURROUNDINGS AND. FIT WITHIN THOSE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. GOT IT. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF IT WAS OFFICE COMMERCIAL RETAIL OR LOWER INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL, WE MIGHT GET A LOT MORE INTENSITY, A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN POTENTIALLY WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE. RIGHT. POTENTIAL OF THAT EXISTS. YES. GOTCHA. OKAY. AND EVEN EVEN, I WOULD SAY WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE IN PLACE WITH THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND THE MIXED USE OVERLAY COULD RESULT IN, IN TO SOME LEVEL HIGHER INTENSITY TYPE USES THAN WHAT MAY BE PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS QUESTION IS BETTER SUITED FOR YOU OR MAYBE CURTIS IN THE AUDIENCE. SO I KNOW WHEN WE WERE LOOKING EARLIER, WE WERE TALKING QUITE A BIT AROUND DENSITY AND DENSITY AND THEN DWELLINGS PER UNIT ACRES. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A CALCULATION THAT KIND OF UNCOUPLES THE INDEPENDENT LIVING VERSUS THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE. SINCE KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER TAGGART MENTIONED, I THINK LIKE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE, YOU ONLY HAVE A MICROWAVE, A FRIDGE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO A HOTEL ROOM, NOT REALLY A FULL ON KITCHEN, BELIEVE US. MR. YOUNG PROVIDED US WITH A EXHIBIT THAT. PROVIDES THAT THIS PARTICULAR EXHIBIT IS ONE THAT OUR STAFF PREPARED. AND IT, IT LOOKS AT THE PHASED DEVELOPMENT OF IT AND AND PHASE ONE AND PHASE THE TOTAL BUILD OUT, EXTRACTING THE MEMORY ASSISTED CARE UNITS FROM THAT. BUT IT DOES NOT EXTRACT THE LAND USE THE LAND AREA OF THAT. AND I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, MISS, MISTER YOUNG PROVIDED US A EXHIBIT HERE. I'M SORRY THAT IT EXTRACTS THE LAND AREA OUT THAT SURROUNDS AND MORE OR LESS SUPPORTS THE MEMORY CARE. IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE INQUIRING ABOUT, AND JUST LOOKS AT THE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS BASED ON THE REMAINING AREA OUTSIDE OF WHAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE MEMORY CARE. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. I MEAN, DENSITY IS BASED ON THE GROSS LAND AREA OR I'LL SAY NET LAND AREA, EXTRACTING PERIMETERS OF WHERE RIGHT OF WAY MAY MAY BE NEEDED ON ADJOINING ROADWAYS, WHICH IS HOW WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS. AND THIS ONE THAT MR. YOUNG PROVIDED EXTRACTS THE LAND AREA THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO THE ASSISTED CARE FACILITIES. SO OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND I GUESS ONE OTHER QUESTION. I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE SUITED FOR THE TOUCH MARK TEAM, MAYBE. MARCUS. I KNOW THERE'S A THERE'S SOME RESIDENT CONCERNS AROUND LIKE EVACUATION PLAN OR SAFETY PLAN IN THE EVENT OF EMERGENCY. [05:15:02] SO I IMAGINE WITH OTHER PROPERTIES YOU MIGHT ENCOUNTER SIMILAR SCENARIOS AS WELL. SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ALL TYPICALLY HAVE FROM OPERATIONS AND A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, SINCE WE DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU. AND I'LL SPEAK TO A PRACTICAL AND OPERATIONS MATTER. AND IF THERE'S LICENSING AND CLASSIFICATION, SIOBHAN MAY NEED MAY NEED TO GIVE ME SOME ASSISTANCE. SO WE REGULARLY HAVE EVACUATION AND, AND PREPAREDNESS DRILLS AT OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WE OFTEN DO HAVE ACTUAL EMERGENCIES. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR COMMUNITY IN APPLETON WAS OUT OF POWER FOR FOUR DAYS WHILE THOSE HORRIBLE TORNADOES THAT WENT THROUGH, WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND HAVE THEM SHELTER IN PLACE AND TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM AND FEED THEM AND ARE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A STRONG STAFF COUNT AND THE RATIO OF OUR RESIDENTS TO STAFF, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE LOCAL TEAM MEMBERS TAKE CARE OF THEM THROUGHOUT THEM. SO ANECDOTALLY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT. AND THEN WE ALSO PREPARE FOR THAT. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS KIND OF FOR COMPARISON ANALOGY SAKE, FOR A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, A NUMBER OF STAFF TO RESIDENT RATIO. WOULD THAT BE ABOUT COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE? YES. YES. AND ACTUALLY, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND LOOKED AT OUR STAFF TO RESIDENT RATIO AND WHAT, WHAT MARK HAS JUST PULLED OFF OF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD, BECAUSE HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR 25 YEARS, IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IT WOULD BE. AND IF YOU THINK OF IT, IT IS, HE SAID, ABOUT 200 TO 212. AND ONCE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 357 HOMES, BUT A FEW HOMES WILL HAVE COUPLES THAT GOES TO ABOUT HALF OF STAFF TO, TO ONE PERSON. SO 200 STAFF, 400 RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S REALLY CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF OUR PORTFOLIO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. JUST ONE. I'M SORRY. OH I THINK WITH 16 SUBPARTS. AND I'M JUST KIDDING. LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE IS SOMETHING THAT MY OLD COMPANY, WE USED TO OFFER AND SELL TO PEOPLE AS WELL. I WAS RESEARCHING WHETHER OR NOT LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE WOULD COVER A PORTION OF THE MONTHLY FEES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. AND I, I READ THAT THERE WAS A CASE RECENTLY WHERE AN INSURANCE CARRIER TURNED DOWN A CLAIM FROM ONE OF YOUR RESIDENTS, AND THAT RESIDENT ENDED UP ACTUALLY WINNING WINNING THAT. BUT I WANTED TO CONFIRM DOES LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE COVER A PORTION OF THIS? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH. LET ME ANSWER THAT. I THINK IT WAS OKLAHOMA, BUT I JUST WANT TO JUST CHECK TO SEE ON THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. YEAH. THANK YOU. LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE COINCIDES WITH AN INDUSTRY TERM CALLED ADL. ADL STANDS FOR ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING. AND THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE TOILETING AND GETTING DRESSED AND BRUSHING YOUR TEETH AND SHOWERING AND GETTING HELP WITH YOUR MEDICATIONS. AND THOSE ARE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE KICKS IN WHEN YOU NEED THREE OR MORE ADLS. YOU NEED HELP WITH THREE OR MORE ADLS. AND SO LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE WOULD NOT PROVIDE HELP FOR ANYBODY IN ASSISTED LIVING. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALMOST ALL OF OUR ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE RESIDENTS REQUIRE THREE OR MORE ADLS. IF YOU HAVE LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE AND AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY INDIVIDUAL POLICY, BUT THAT IS BROADLY HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW MANY HOW MANY UNITS IN THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY THEN OR I GUESS PEOPLE COULD BE IT COULD BE MORE THAN, WELL, IT MAY NOT BE MORE THAN ONE. BUT ANYWAY, HOW MANY UNITS THEN WOULD THAT APPLY TO HERE? BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSIDERING SOMETHING AS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX VERSUS AN ACTUAL HEALTH NEED. SO THAT WOULD BE 357 -241 116. IT WOULD APPLY TO 116 UNITS. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. SO THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE, BUT THAT THAT IS A DIFFERENCE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEP. I HAVE A QUESTION ON PIGGYBACKING ON COUNCIL MEMBER WANG'S FOR EMERGENCIES. DO YOU ALL HAVE GENERATORS ON SITE? YES WE DO. THEY'RE BIG, MASSIVE DIESEL GENERATORS AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO PROVIDE LIFE, SAFETY AND COMFORT ACROSS THE WHOLE CAMPUS. AND DO THEY ARE THEY SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE AN ELEVATOR? YES. OKAY. THAT'S. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THIS IS ON ENTRY OFF OF GRACE LANE. AND I KNOW WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT. AND I KNOW THE FIRST, THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO HIGHLAND OR KIRKWOOD, WHICHEVER THAT IS UP THERE. [05:20:03] I KNOW THAT'S FOR RESIDENTS AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT'S FURTHER SOUTH NEAR 114. I KNOW THAT'S FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES. CAN YOUR RESIDENTS ALSO USE THAT ENTRANCE? YES. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD, BECAUSE THE MORE MORE ENTRANCES OFF OF GRACE LANE, THE LESS TRAFFIC YOU HAVE ON CARROLL. THANK YOU. CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND I DID HAVE ONE MORE. SORRY. I OUT OF CURIOSITY WITH THE FUELING THAT USED TO HAPPEN THERE WITH THE THE BUSSES AND STUFF FROM FROM C ISD. I DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS SOME MONITORING WELLS ON PROPERTY. HAS THERE BEEN IS THERE ANY DEFINITIVE OR IS IT STILL PENDING ON PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENTS ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANY SORT OF IMPACT AT ALL ON THIS PROPERTY? YEAH. WE HAVE DONE THE PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DID DO AN ABATEMENT PROJECT TO REMOVE ALL THE UNDERGROUND FUEL TANKS, AS WELL AS THE SURFACE STUFF THAT WAS THERE. AND ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN KENDRICK WARD. KENDRICK OH, YES. RIGHT THERE. SO ALL THOSE ARE ARE IN THE CLEAR. SO SO THE TANKS ARE NOW GONE? YES. THERE IS NO IMPACTED SOIL OR GROUNDWATER BECAUSE AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THE EPA CLEAN UP STANDARDS FOR IF THIS WERE TO END UP BEING A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE MUCH MORE STRICT THAN THEY WOULD BE FOR THE FACILITY YOU GUYS HAVE FOR COMMERCIAL. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DIFFERENCE IN STRICTNESS, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY UNDERGROUND TANKS. SO THAT PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL HAS BEEN COMPLETED. IT'S ALSO 100% LENDING REQUIREMENT FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION LENDERS TO. SO WE HAVE TO PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THAT. GO AHEAD. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON IS WHEN I MET WITH YOU FOLKS, I WAS I ALMOST CERTAIN I WAS LED TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS ON SITE AND THAT THERE WOULD BE THE GOAL OF EVEN COMMUNITY COMING IN AND DINING THERE AND MAKING IT UP. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A KIRBY'S OR ANYTHING, BUT BUT TRYING TO TO, TO DRAW PEOPLE THERE. ACTUAL DINING OPPORTUNITIES. BUT THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT AT ALL. THIS LOOKS LIKE A BORDERLINE CAFETERIA STYLE. LIKE YOU'RE COOKING FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT THE WHAT THE TRUTH IS AROUND THAT PIECE. SO WE WOULDN'T EVER PROHIBIT SOMEBODY FROM COMING BY AND WANTING TO HAVE A MEAL. BUT THESE RESTAURANTS AREN'T MARKETED TO THE PUBLIC AS COME ON IN FOR DINNER, LIKE A, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE A KIRBY'S OR WHATEVER. WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE DINING VENUES ON ALL OF OUR CAMPUSES AND THEY ARE RESTAURANT STYLE. AN OLD, OLDER VERSION AND LOWER, LOWER TIER PROVIDERS OF SENIOR HOUSING STILL OPERATE KIND OF IN A CAFETERIA MODEL WHERE YOU MIGHT PUT PRODUCE ALL THE FOOD IN BULK AND SERVE IT WITH LIKE SAY TWO OPTIONS. EVERYBODY COMES IN AT 5:00 AND YOU PICK WHETHER YOU WANT THE CHICKEN OR THE BEEF, ALL OF TOUCH MARKS ACROSS OUR WHOLE COMPANY ARE RESTAURANT STYLE, SO YOUR FOOD IS ORDERED OFF THE MENU AND COOKED TO ORDER WHEN YOU ARRIVE. IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE'VE GOT THE INDEPENDENT LIVING DINING ROOM, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD SIOBHAN MENTION THE THE CHARLIE'S. CHARLIE'S IS LIKE A PUB AND BAR. SO WE HAVE A FULL BAR BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO COME DOWN AND SOCIALIZE, MAYBE PLAY SOME CARDS OR HAVE A GLASS OF WINE BEFORE DINNER. THAT HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE MENU. THEN THE ASSISTED LIVING DINING ROOMS HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE MENU AS WELL. AN ASSISTED LIVING FOLKS CAN COME TO EITHER OF THOSE PLACES THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED. AND THEN IN IN THE MEMORY CARE NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE 16 UNIT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, EACH OF THOSE FEATURES A DINING ROOM THAT'S MORE MADE TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE HOME. SO YOU EAT IN THE, IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE RUN THE DINING OFF WHAT'S CALLED A CHOICE DINING PROGRAM. SO YOU START EVERY MONTH WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CHOICE DINING DOLLARS. YOU CAN SPEND THEM IN ANY VENUE ON ANYTHING YOU WANT, INCLUDING INVITING GUESTS OR FAMILY MEMBERS OVER AND HAVING DINNER WITH THEM AS WELL. SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I KIND OF WAS I WAS GOING TO ASK LATER, BUT SO IN THAT FEE, LET'S SAY IT'S A $10,000 FEE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EASE, IS IT THAT YOU HAVE $3,000 WORTH OF DINING VALUE IN THAT 10,000 THAT YOU CAN USE AT ANY OF THE RESTAURANTS? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH, 3000 ISN'T QUITE THE RIGHT NUMBER. IT'S CLOSER TO 1000. BUT YES, AND THEN THERE'S NO TIPPING OR DOLLARS EXCHANGE WHEN YOU HAVE MEALS. BUT IF YOU. THIS ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE A WIDER VARIETY OF MENU SERVICES. IN THE OLD DAYS, WHEN YOU JUST CAME WITH A MEAL, YOU HAD TO HAVE A PRETTY NARROW BAND OF COST AND QUALITY OF FOOD. HERE WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING FROM NICE STEAKS TO LESS EXPENSIVE MENU OPTIONS, AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE WHATEVER THEY WANT IF THEY GET TO THE END OF THE MONTH AND THEY'VE ENTERTAINED FAMILY OR HAD A FEW BOTTLES OF WINE OR HAD SOME REALLY NICE CHOICES ALL MONTH, THEY CAN ORDER MORE AND THAT WOULD JUST GET ADDED TO THEIR MONTHLY BILL. IF THEY DON'T QUITE SPEND IT ALL, THAT CAN ROLL OVER FOR A MONTH AS WELL. SO ARE THOSE PIECES TAXED THEN? I MEAN, IS IT BECAUSE HOW ARE THEY OR I GUESS MY QUESTION MAYBE TO SHARON, HOW ARE THEY NOT TAXED? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SELLING ALCOHOL AND SELLING FOOD TO RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, [05:25:06] HOW ARE THEY NOT TAXED AT A CITY RATE? YEAH, I I'M NOT A GOOD I'M SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT EXACTLY SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. I JUST I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU FOR SURE. YEAH. I WANT TO KNOW THAT FOR THE NEXT ONE. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, IS THERE ANY PERCENTAGE OF THE STAFF THAT LIVES ON SITE WITH, YOU KNOW, EITHER ALONE OR WITH THEIR FAMILY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR IS IT ALL THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL OFFSITE. ALL OFFSITE. OKAY, THEN I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR KILLOUGH. IT'S IT'S, IT'S PIGGYBACKED OFF THIS QUESTION ABOUT HIGHLAND WHEN X0 WHEN WE APPROVED THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY, I BELIEVE, FOR THE WIDENING OF HIGHLAND, DIDN'T THEY? I MEAN, IT WAS I THINK I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR DEAL WHEN THEY CAME IN. THEY HAD TO PAY FOR THAT. I GUESS I'M CURIOUS WHY WE AREN'T WIDENING HIGHLAND ALL THE WAY TO CAROL WITH THIS DEAL. THE XO MARRIAGE WAS A COMPONENT OF THE GATEWAY CHURCH PROPERTY AND PROJECT, AND AS A COMPONENT OF THE GATEWAY CHURCH OVERALL ZONING THAT THEY HAD DONE, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO, TO CONSTRUCT CERTAIN PORTIONS OF KIRKWOOD AS THE PROPERTY BUILT OUT GATEWAY SOLD THAT PIECE OR CONVEYED IT OFF TO XO MARRIAGE. AND AS PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SITE, THEY WERE OBLIGATED TO COMPLETE, I THINK, TWO LANES OF THE FOUR LANES THAT WERE THERE AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT. THEY I THINK THEY HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT WAS ACCESSING A PORTION OF THAT AS WELL, WHICH WAS THE OTHER REASONING BEHIND THAT, BUT IT WAS A COMPONENT THAT WAS UMBRELLA UNDER THE GATEWAY CHURCH IN OUR PD. OKAY. OKAY. GARY. ANYTHING? THIS MAY BE MORE FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION, BUT. WELL, DIRECTOR KILO IS UP. WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING UP THAT SLIDE THAT I'D ASKED YOU TO PREPARE THAT SHOWED ALL OF THE PROPERTIES FOR COMPS? THIS SLIDE WITH THE DENSITY COMPS? NO. THE ONE YOU SHOWED ME THIS AFTERNOON THAT I'D ASKED YOU TO PREPARE. OH, THAT'S GOT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SENIOR LIVING. THIS IS HEIGHT COMPARISON. AND THEN THIS IS THERE WE GO. THAT'S IT. OKAY. IF YOU COULD LEAVE THAT UP, PLEASE. OKAY. SURE. THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION AS IT IS A STATEMENT. AND THAT IS I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THE APARTMENT WHERE THE SEMANTICS OF IF WE USE THE A WORD OR WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. THIS IS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. WE HAVE A, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. IT HAS DENSITY REQUIREMENTS IN IT. SO MAYBE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE WE'VE GOT OUT THERE THAT WE'VE APPROVED, WHAT STANDARDS HAVE BEEN SET. AND WHEN I SEE THAT, WHAT I SEE IS OUR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE. EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S GOT ANY KIND OF A MIXED PRODUCT USE IS HITTING THAT MARK. AND THIS ONE IS. 60, 70% HIGHER. I'M CONVINCED THAT IT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION, THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. I'M CONVINCED THAT IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT FOR SENIOR LIVING. BUT PART OF OUR JOBS, I BELIEVE, IS TO ANALYZE AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES. AND SO THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS, AND I'VE HEARD DENSITY MENTIONED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IS THAT THE DENSITY I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT. OKAY. THE COMPS WE'RE LOOKING AT ON HEIGHT ARE DIRECTLY ON 114. THEY'RE NOT SET BACK CLOSER TO APPROACHING ON GETTING ON NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TALLEST AND BUILDING ON TOP OF A HILL. SO I AGREE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BALLOON AND SEE HOW THAT LOOKS UP TO SEE IF IT'S REALLY AS HIDDEN AS AS WE HOPE. BUT FOR ME, IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO DENSITY. YOU GET THE DENSITY DOWN. I MEAN, WATER MIRROR IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. I'LL GIVE YOU THAT 112.23 UNITS PER ACRE. GET IT DOWN TO THERE AND I'LL HAPPILY VOTE FOR IT. BUT UNTIL WE GET THERE, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING TO DENY THIS AS PRESENTED. YOU KNOW, MY VOTING RECORD AND MY CAMPAIGN PLATFORM YEARS AGO WAS TO BE CONSISTENTLY AGAINST HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, IN 2020, WE HAD THE APARTMENT PROJECT OR PROPOSAL HERE IN TOWN SQUARE OVER BY THE POLICE AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS. [05:30:05] I MADE THE MOTION TO DENY THAT. WE DENIED THAT SEVEN ZERO JUST TWO YEARS AGO, IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, WITH THE FOREFRONT SENIOR RESIDENTIAL AND ASSISTED LIVING, WHICH HAS BEEN REFERENCED TONIGHT. THAT WAS MORE ACRES AND LESS UNITS, SO LESS DENSE. IT WAS 28 ACRES, 210 UNITS. AND WE UNANIMOUSLY DENIED THAT 170. NOW, I KNOW COUNCIL HAS CHANGED, BUT THAT WAS JUST TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE DENIED SOMETHING THAT WAS LESS DENSE THAN THIS. AND WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR IN JUNE THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS AGAINST HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. WE HEARD THAT THIS IS HIGH DENSITY BY DEFINITION. AS COUNCIL MEMBER FOX HAS NOTED, 357 UNITS ON 18 ACRES. ITS 21 UNITS PER ACRE AS REFLECTED ON THIS CHART. OUR ORDINANCES DON'T PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, YOUNGER PEOPLE OR FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. THEY JUST DON'T. OR ASSISTED LIVING. THIS IS AN INTERESTING AREA OF OUR TOWN WITH HAVING JOHNSON ELEMENTARY THERE. WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, WE HAD A PROPOSAL FOR THREE HOUSES ON EIGHT ACRES, AND THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BECAUSE WE CITED DENSITY. WE CITED TRAFFIC BY JOHNSON ELEMENTARY. WE CITED DRAINAGE. SO IF THREE HOUSES ON EIGHT ACRES CAUSES A PROBLEM, 357 UNITS ON 18 ACRES IS A IS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM. SO YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE DENSITY ISSUES WHICH COUNCILMEMBER FOX REFERRED TO, THE AGE RESTRICTION THING IS, IS A MESS. THERE'S NO WAY TO PERFECTLY CRAFT THAT THERE WAS A CASE IN SAN ANTONIO A YEAR AGO WHERE A SENIOR RESIDENTIAL AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY VERY SIMILAR TO THIS WAS CONVERTED INTO APARTMENTS FOR MIXED INCOME TENANTS WITH NO AGE RESTRICTION. SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A DEED RESTRICTION, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ZONING, THOSE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. THE MOST CONTROL WE'LL HAVE IS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. ALSO, WITH RESPECT TO PRECEDENT, THERE IS ANOTHER SIMILAR SENIOR RESIDENTIAL AND ASSISTED LIVING PROJECT THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT FOR OVER BY DAWSON AND EUBANK SCHOOLS AS WE SPEAK. SO THEY'RE WATCHING THIS ONE TO SEE WHAT WE DO AND SEE WHAT WE APPROVE ON THIS ONE. AND WE'LL SEE THAT IF, IF, IF THEY DECIDE TO GO FORWARD. SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? THAT'S BEEN I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER. THERE WAS THE FAKE RUMOR ABOUT A MOSQUE COMING TO THIS PROPERTY THAT THAT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. I DON'T BELIEVE RSD WOULD DO THAT. THEY OWN THE LAND. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL IT TO THEM. WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS LAND, AND A FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE SPOKE TO THIS. THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED OVER ON DAVIS BOULEVARD WHEN WE DENIED THE FOREFRONT CASE TWO YEARS AGO. THEN A CUSTOM HOME BUILDER CAME IN WITH A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY THAT WE APPROVED, I THINK UNANIMOUSLY. THIS IS A TOUGH CASE BECAUSE AS COUNCIL MEMBER FOX MENTIONED, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE, TOUCH MARK HAS A GREAT REPUTATION. THEY BUILD GOOD PROJECTS. THIS ONE IS JUST TOO DENSE. NOW, COULD THEY GET IT DOWN TO THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE THRESHOLD FOR HIGH DENSITY IN SOUTHLAKE? THAT'S FOR THEM TO DECIDE, BUT THEY'RE NOWHERE CLOSE TO IT RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ALMOST DOUBLE, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS UNLESS THERE'S A DRASTIC CHANGE IN THE DENSITY. AGAIN, GREAT REPUTATION. THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK. THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT, AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR DOING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD HELP SEE ISD WITH THE SALES PRICE, PROPERTY TAXES AND WATER, THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE DAILY ATTENDANCE WITH KIDS IN SCHOOLS. AND I'LL COMMIT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET THERE, IF THAT HAPPENS AND THIS DOESN'T PASS AND WE GET TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL THAT I WOULD ASK OUR STAFF TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESSING AND REVIEW OF THAT PROPOSAL TO GET IT BACK TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. AND ALSO, I'D ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WAIVING THE APPLICATION FEES TO HELP SEE ISD OUT WITH THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT. AGAIN, I THINK I DUPLICATED A LOT WHAT GARY SAID, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS AS PRESENTED. COUNCIL ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? GO AHEAD. I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS. SO IN TERMS OF SUPPORT FOR SOME SORT OF SENIORS LEVEL OF, OF, OF HOUSING, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. I MEAN, I SIT ON A COMMITTEE CALLED THE CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THERE ARE A COUPLE MEMBERS ON CITY COUNCIL ON PLANNING AND ZONING, A PARKS BOARD MEMBER. AND THERE WAS A CASE THAT CAME THROUGH THE TRADEMARK CASE WHERE WE ULTIMATELY APPROVED THE, [05:35:04] THE TOTALITY OF THE CASE WHERE WHOLE FOODS IS GOING. AND AT THE TIME I RECOMMENDED THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF THAT. AND I HAD RECOMMENDED TO THE DEVELOPER, THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE BEING A SINGLE FAMILY OWNED CONCEPT FOR 55 AND UP COMMUNITY. AND MAYBE YOU COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY OUT OF IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE QUARTER ACRE LOTS INSTEAD OF HALF ACRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY COULD WALK AND GO TO THE RETAIL AND THINGS, BUT THEY WOULD OWN THESE AND THEY'D BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND THAT WAS RESOUNDINGLY OPPOSED ON ON QUARTER CORRIDOR COMMITTEE. LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE MEMBERS ON IT SAID, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT. THAT'S NOT A NEED IN THIS TOWN. WE DON'T NEED THAT AT ALL. AND HERE WE ARE NOW. AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS ARE CHANGING THEIR MIND ON THAT. I ALSO IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED, THE DAVIS PROJECT, THAT WAS 220 UNITS ON 21 ACRES, TEN UNITS PER ACRE. I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH, AND I VOTED THAT DOWN. AND I WATCHED THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THAT. AGAIN, AND WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE'VE HAD SO MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW, SENDING IN IN COMMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OR FOR THAT CASE, THERE WERE SIX FOR IT AND TEN AGAINST IT. THAT'S IT. AND THERE WERE ZERO EMAILS. I GOT ZERO ON ABOUT THAT CASE WHEN IT WHEN IT WAS LEADING UP TO IT. THE FACT IS I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE MOVING OUT OF THEIR HOMES IN SOUTHLAKE TO MOVE INTO THIS FACILITY. I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THEIR PARENTS HERE, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR PEOPLE THAT FINALLY WANT A SOUTHLAKE ADDRESS, AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO BE IN SOUTHLAKE BEFORE. NOW THEY CAN. AND ULTIMATELY I THINK, WHY, WHY IS THERE SO MUCH ENGAGEMENT ON THIS PROJECT? AND I THINK IT'S THE FEAR MONGERING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, I WAS AT DINNER WITH A FEW PEOPLE THIS WEEK AND THEY SHARED WITH ME TEXT MESSAGES THEY'VE BEEN RECEIVING. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF FEAR MONGERING ON FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THIS ISLAMIC CHURCH. IT'S IT'S BEEN A LIE. PEOPLE HAVE LIED TO YOU. AND THEN THAT KIND OF FESTERED OUT AND HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT, HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT, HASN'T BEEN. BUT IT'S BEEN CONTINUING THROUGH THE TEXT MESSAGE CHAINS. AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN LIKE GETTING EVERYBODY RILED UP SAYING, THERE'S A MOSQUE. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, A MOSQUE IS GOING TO COME HERE AND IT'S A LIE. AND WHAT I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IS AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WILL GAIN SUPPORT OR NOT. I'M NOT SUPPORTING IT. BUT AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE, REMEMBER WHO'S LIED TO YOU. LIKE, REMEMBER THESE LIES AND THE FEAR MONGERING. WE SAW THAT IN THE ELECTION THIS LAST, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS TO US. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT AREN'T HERE TO, TO SPEAK AGAINST. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAK AGAINST IT. I'VE TOLD THEM TO COME HERE. IF YOU DO FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT SPEAKING AGAINST IT. BUT THEY'RE AFRAID. THEY'RE AFRAID OF BEING BULLIED ONLINE. THEY'RE AFRAID OF BEING CALLED OUT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE REALITY THAT WE DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW HERE. SO ANYWAY, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT. AND THIS IS WAY, WAY TOO HIGH DENSITY FRANCES A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE DAVIS PROJECT, WHEN THAT WAS VOTED DOWN, WE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME SAYING WE NEED SENIOR LIVING BEST ON 114, NOT ON DAVIS. THIS IS ON 114. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FOX. THIS IS TO. THE DENSITY IS TOO HIGH. IT NEEDS TO BE IN THAT 12 RANGE. SO I'M DEFINITELY THERE ON THAT. I THINK THAT I DO THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS, BUT I, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SWITCHING IT TO SINGLE FAMILY BECAUSE MAYOR, AS YOU MENTIONED, UP THE ROAD, WE HAD EIGHT ACRES AND WE PUT WE ULTIMATELY PUT TWO HOUSES ON THAT. IS THAT RIGHT? SO IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE ACRE LOTS BECAUSE IT'S 18 ACRES. IF THEY'RE HALF ACRE LOTS, THAT'S 36 HOUSES. THAT'S NOT GOING TO WASH GIVEN HOW THE OTHER PROJECT WENT. SO DO YOU THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A MARKET FOR ONE ACRE LOTS THERE OR EVEN BIGGER LOTS THAN THAT THERE? SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK RESIDENTIAL WORK THERE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY OPINION BASED ON THE CASE UP THE ROAD PROBABLY ABOUT A MILE LESS THAN A MILE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS ONE I WANT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE HEIGHT GO DOWN ON THAT OF THE TALLEST BUILDING. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE. IN THE 12 RANGE, AND IT COULD BE SOMETHING I'D SUPPORT AT THAT POINT. BUT IT'S GOT TO GET DOWN ON THE DENSITY. OKAY, SO A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST OFF, ON THE FOREFRONT THING, I WATCHED THOSE VIDEOS AND 114 WAS MENTIONED. IT WASN'T EXPLICITLY MENTIONED. IT WAS JUST KIND OF AN ASIDE. I THINK THERE'S MORE TO FOREFRONT THAN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ON THAT. [05:40:02] I HAPPEN TO HAVE. I WASN'T ON CITY COUNCIL, BUT I KIND OF KNOW ONE OF THE OTHER PRIMARY REASONS AS TO WHY THAT WAS VOTED DOWN. I WON'T GET INTO THAT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH IT. BUT ANYWAY I'M NOT GOING TO USE A DUCK AS AN EXAMPLE. I'M USING MY CAT. I HAVE THIS CAT WHO EATS OUT OF A DOG DISH. HE HANGS WITH THE DOGS. HE'S NEVER SEEN ANOTHER CAT IN HIS LIFE. HE FETCHES BETTER THAN ANY DOG I'VE EVER SEEN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE'S A CAT. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I HAVE TO. I HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH 80% OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING THIS AND 20% OPPOSED TO IT. BUT THOSE 20% ARE IMPORTANT. THEY LIVE NEARBY, AND THEY ALL ARE RESOUNDINGLY SAYING THE SAME THING, THAT THIS IS PRETTY HIGH DENSITY. AND THE STRUGGLE IS WHAT THE DENSITY ACTUALLY IS, IS, IS IT IS IT DENSE ON APARTMENT UNITS OR IS IT DENSE ON JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE TOGETHER? IS IT IS IT JUST AT THE END OF THE DAY? IT'S JUST IT'S A BIG BUILDING. IT'S INTENSE. SO I HAVE TO CALL IT OUT FOR WHAT IT IS. IT'S A LOT RIGHT THERE. AND THE HEIGHT IS HIGH AND IT'S JUST A LOT. NOW THE WESTIN HOTEL, I CAN MOVE IN THERE TOMORROW, BY THE WAY. I'VE ALREADY CHECKED THE PRICING ON IT FOR LESS THAN $8,000 A MONTH. I COULD LIVE IN AN EQUIVALENT UNIT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS FACILITY, AND I COULD GO DOWN. I COULD PROBABLY EVEN WORK A DEAL WITH WEST AND GET MY FOOD INCLUDED IF I WANTED TO FOR TEN GRAND AND ALCOHOL AND DRINKS AS WELL. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS, BUT I HAVE TO CALL IT WHAT IT IS. AND IT'S A LOT. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CAT AT THE END OF THE DAY. I DISAGREE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER FOX AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE KIND OF DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE, BUT THINK ABOUT THAT WESTIN HOTEL. WE HAVE THIS 4 TO 1 SLOPE. SO WOULD WE REALLY BE OKAY? WOULD IT BE IT WOULDN'T BE A CAKEWALK TO ALLOW A RESIDENT IF THIS WAS REVERSED. IF WE HAD RESIDENTIAL THERE TODAY, THEN IT WOULD BE HARD FOR WESTIN TO MAKE A CASE TO BUILD A HOTEL RIGHT NEXT DOOR. THAT WAS SIX STORIES HIGH. WE WOULD ALL BE AGAINST IT AND WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. SO NOW THIS IS IN REVERSE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OKAY. COULD WE PUT COULD WE PUT RESIDENCES THERE. WELL THAT PICTURE THAT I ASKED DIRECTOR KEELER KILO TO PULL UP EARLIER FROM HIGHLAND. YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS OF THE WESTIN. SO THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THAT HOTEL COULD ACTUALLY SEE RIGHT INTO THE BACKYARDS AND THE SWIMMING POOLS OF VIRTUALLY ALL OF THOSE HOUSES THAT WOULD BE BUILT OVER THERE. SO WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US WITH? IT LEAVES US WITH A COUPLE, REALLY A COUPLE REALLY OPTIONS. AND THAT'S REALLY IT. ONE WOULD BE THE CURRENT DESIGNATION THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS EITHER A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL OF ANY TYPE. A SCHOOL WOULD GO WOULD INTERFERE WITH STUDENTS AT C ISD WHICH CAUSES A PROBLEM THERE. THE OTHER WOULD BE OFFICE BUILDINGS. SO YOU KNOW, FOLKS, JUST BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR BECAUSE YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT. YOU MIGHT GET OFFICE BUILDINGS, IN WHICH CASE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BUILDING HEIGHT ISSUES, AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR. AND SO WE CAN DO THIS OVER HERE. SO I'M OKAY WITH THE LAND USE. I'M OKAY WITH THE LAND USE CHANGE. WE GO TO MIXED USE ON THAT TOO. I'M OKAY WITH SENIOR LIVING AND I'M OKAY WITH SENIOR LIVING THERE. BUT I DO AGREE THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS THING DOWN. I'D LOVE TO SEE A FLOOR DROPPED. SO WE GET THE HEIGHT DOWN AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE INTENSITY OF THE USE. I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THEY COULD DROP PHASE TWO AND COME BACK ONE DAY FOR IT, WHICH WOULD HELP GET US DOWN TO THAT NUMBER. BUT AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS UNLESS WE CAN GET THE DENSITY DOWN. ERIC, YOU WANT TO GO NEXT? YEP. DEFINITELY AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS FRANCES AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHUCK MENTIONED. SO BASICALLY I THINK SENIOR LIVING DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE HERE. AND I AGREE THAT RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE SPECIFICALLY AT THIS SITE, SINCE IF YOU WANT TO BUY A HOME THERE, DO YOU WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO A HOTEL OR DO YOU WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO OFFICE BUILDING? DO YOU WANT LIVE NEXT TO THE GATEWAY CAMPUS OR SCHOOL? SO I THINK THE SENIOR LIVING ACTUALLY IS A PRETTY GOOD FIT. BUT LIKE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MENTIONED, IT'S A VERY BIG BUILDING. THERE'S A LOT OF UNITS, SO I THINK I COULD SUPPORT IT TONIGHT. BUT IF I DO SUPPORT IT TONIGHT, I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THE DENSITY COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF WE CAN LOSE A FLOOR AS WELL. SO FOR ME, THIS HAS PROBABLY BEEN ONE OF THE MOST INTRIGUING CASES I'VE SEEN IN MY FIVE AND A HALF YEARS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AMAZING TO ME. AND I'M GOING TO COMPARE IT TO A DIFFERENT PROJECT BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN SO CLOSE BACK TO BACK, YOU KNOW, THE TORO DEVELOPMENT THAT NEVER EVEN GOT THIS FAR, THE TORO DEVELOPMENT THAT NEVER GOT TO COMMIT THAT NEVER GOT TO CORRIDOR, NEVER GOT TO SPEND ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY SEES ABOUT BECAUSE. PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GOT SO RILED UP AND THERE WAS SUCH A LOUD FACTION THAT THEY NEVER LET US, AS A COUNCIL, DO OUR JOB AND TRY TO GET A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S SET THERE FOR DECADES, COMPLETELY WORTHLESS TO THIS CITY AS DIRT [05:45:08] AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. THANKFULLY, TOUCH DIDN'T DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE CROWDS AND STUFF, OR. AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CROWD THAT WAS SO AGAINST THAT WITHIN 48 HOURS TURN AND ARE COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND THE DUPLICITOUS OF THAT IS JUST MIND BOGGLING TO ME HOW WE'RE COMPLETELY AGAINST A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOOD FOR THE CITY. I MEAN, VEHEMENTLY AGAINST, BUT THEN WE ARE COMPLETELY, VEHEMENTLY OKAY WITH ALMOST THE EXACT SAME DENSITY FOR FOR THIS PROJECT. SO I'VE HAD TO FIGHT REALLY HARD TO TRY TO SET ASIDE ALL EMOTIONS AND FEELINGS AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS AND REALLY LOOK AT THIS PROJECT WITH WHAT WE ARE TASKED AS A COUNCIL TO DO, WHICH IS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE. AND THE ONE THING THAT THAT CAM SAID TONIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT, IS THEY ARE TASKED TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. WE ARE TASKED TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE TWO THINGS ARE COMPLETELY IN LINE AND IT'S AN EASY, EASY DECISION TO DO. AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT. AND I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME CRITICAL ERRORS MADE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THIS. AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY THE, THE BOARD THAT DID IT. I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS IT WAS THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT. BUT THOSE ARE ALMOST IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT. WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. I TOLD THE, YOU KNOW, THESE DEVELOPERS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, THE FIRST TIME I SAT DOWN WITH THEM THAT I LIKED THE IDEA. I'M NOT A HUGE, HUGE FAN OF THE LOCATION. FOR THE RECORD, I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN THE DAVIS ONE CAME UP AND I CERTAINLY YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK. I DIDN'T SAY I WANT THIS ON 114, NOT HERE. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN'T TAG ME WITH THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE ABSOLUTE BEST USE OF LAND HERE, BUT I'M REALLY KIND OF TRYING TO WORK MY WAY TO. IS IT GOOD ENOUGH TO TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE HERE? BECAUSE I DO THINK WE'VE GOT THREE HUGE TRACTS OF LAND THAT ARE JUST GOING TO SIT THERE IF WE DON'T FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. AND I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITIZENS NEED TO REALLY START THINKING ABOUT. THERE IS A PROCESS. THERE IS THERE ARE BLACK AND WHITE MATHEMATICS BEHIND THE TAX RATE. THERE'S THIS DOLLARS DON'T GROW ON TREES EVEN IN SOUTHLAKE. SO WE AS A CITY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICES WE PROVIDE AND CUT THE TAX RATE THE WAY WE DO. THE GOOD THING IS YOU DON'T GET A CHANCE TO VOTE ME OUT. I'M GONE IN EIGHT MONTHS ANYWAY. YOU LOOK AT IT SO THE NEXT GUY CAN DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM. SO FOR ME THIS IS TOO DENSE THOUGH 357 UNITS IS JUST A LITTLE TOO MUCH. I AM, I AM WILLING TO, TO, TO KIND OF DO WHAT WE DID EARLIER TODAY. I'M WILLING TO SEND THIS THROUGH TO ROUND TWO, BUT IT BETTER COME BACK LOOKING A LOT DIFFERENT TO ME. LIKE I WOULD WANT TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THE MORE INDEPENDENT, LIKE WHAT I CAN, WHAT I CONSIDER TRUE INDEPENDENT LIVING, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO SOUTHLAKE THAT ARE LIVING AND SPENDING AND BUYING AND DOING THEIR THINGS IN SOUTHLAKE. BECAUSE I, I JUST, I, THE IMPACT FOR THE CITY I DON'T LOVE. AND I'M SURE IT'S NOT THAT AT ALL, BUT IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE THE FEES ARE JUST A WAY TO AVOID TAXES ON THE SERVICES. SO IT JUST BECOMES DIFFERENT THAN IF WE WERE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 35 RESIDENTIAL HOMES THERE ON 18 ACRES. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 35 FOLKS THAT COME IN AND LIVE IN SOUTHLAKE AND EAT IN SOUTHLAKE AND SHOP IN SOUTHLAKE AND DO ALL THEIR STUFF IN SOUTHLAKE. AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR THE CITY LONG TERM. IT'S GOOD FOR THE SCHOOLS LONG TERM. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M OKAY SENDING THIS TO TWO, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOT TO LOOK A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT TO GET TO THE THIRD ONE. IF I CAN, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT TOO. I COULD GET THERE AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THE FOLKS AT TOUCH MARK UNDERSTAND THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY PERSON WHO VOTED OR WHO SPOKE TONIGHT THAT WAS AGAINST THIS FACILITY WAS ECHOING PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING. THEY AND THEY CAN NOD THEIR HEADS AND SHAKE THEIR HEADS OR WHATEVER THEY WANT OVER THERE IN A MINUTE. BUT THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH SAID THE SAME THING. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS USE. THEY WANT IT TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD RESOUNDING FROM ANYBODY. ALMOST EVERYBODY. THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEBODY THAT'S AGAINST SOMETHING. SO SO IF I COULD GO TO TWO AS WELL WITH THE EXPECTATION AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MY VOTE IS [05:50:03] NOT FOR THIS. MY VOTE WOULD BE I'M VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DAZZLE ME. THE EASY THING IS TO SAY NO. THE HARDER THING IS, IS TO CHALLENGE YOU TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT FITS THERE, BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT FIT RIGHT NOW. SO I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH PASSING ON FIRST READING TONIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE SUCH SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN FORCE IT. WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN ONE. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A WHOLE NEW PROPOSAL, ALMOST. DO WE REALLY WANT TO TRY AND DO THAT IN ONE READING? YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM, NOT OURS. I MEAN, HONESTLY. WELL IT IS OUR PROBLEM. I MEAN, I GOT THE I GOT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS SITTING WHEN I SAT DOWN TODAY, RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY CUTTING THIS IN HALF. SO YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE YES ON THAT. THAT'S YOU KNOW I THINK THE BETTER THEY'VE HEARD WHAT WE'VE HAD TO SAY. IF IT'S THAT FAR OFF YOU JUST VOTE NO. THEY CAN COME BACK FOR A SECOND READING, OR THEY CAN TABLE IT OR WHATEVER AND TAKE SOME TIME TO FIX IT. BUT PASSING IT THROUGH. YES, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE. I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS ONE OF THE THINGS I STRUGGLE WITH IS THERE ARE SO MANY CREATIVE DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND WE LIVE, THANK GOD, IN ONE OF THE MOST DYNAMIC COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKETS IN THE COUNTRY. IN THE WORLD. TRUE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE ONLY TWO OFFERS ON THIS LAND. TWO. SO I'M IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND EVERYTHING THAT I COMPETE ON IS LIKE 8 TO 10 OR MORE OFFERS DEEP ON EVERYTHING I COMPETE ON. AND WE LIVE WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE BEST CITY IN THE METROPLEX. THE BEST METROPLEX IN THE STATE, THE BEST STATE IN THE COUNTRY. THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. AND WE GOT TWO OFFERS LIKE. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE MARKET HAS SEEN THIS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S BEEN MARKETED ON MLS. THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL SITE. I MEAN, YOU NEED THE COMMERCIAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE, ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT KNOW THIS AND KNOW THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, KNOW THOSE PEOPLE AND THINK OF ALTERNATIVE PRODUCT TYPES. AND QUITE FRANKLY, BEFORE THIS WAS EVER MARKETED, I MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT WHY DON'T WE HAVE A COMMITTEE? A COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL, MEMBERS TRUSTEES, P AND Z MEMBERS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE WANT AS A COMMUNITY? WHAT DO WE WANT THIS TO BE? PACKAGE IT. SCHOOL BOARD GOES THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS, AND THEN IT'S A CLEANER SALE PROCESS, YOU KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST BEING CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS FOR THIS REALLY HIGH DENSITY PROJECT THAT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT, BUT THEY'RE BEING FEAR MONGERING INTO WANTING IT. I SAID, WE JUST MAKE A MOTION TO DENY IT AND LET THEM COME BACK, WHETHER IT'S IN TWO WEEKS OR WHENEVER THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO WHAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. NO. YEAH, THAT'S THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. IS TABLING AN OPTION? THAT'S IT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. CAN WE REQUEST THE TABLE TO THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING? WE TYPICALLY GRANT THOSE REQUESTS. THAT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL THE EXTRA STUFF. RIGHT. SO WE'LL TABLE BOTH SEVEN B AND SEVEN C THE LAND USE PLAN AND THE ZONING CASE. YOU'VE HEARD FROM US KIND OF NOT KIND OF VERY DIRECTLY WHERE WE'RE AT. SO AND I KNOW THAT'S ONLY A MONTH AWAY. SO IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, JUST LET US KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER. WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, THAT WOULD KICK IT INTO JANUARY. BUT JUST LET US KNOW HOW YOU'RE DOING. IF YOU DO NEED MORE TIME, JUST REACH OUT TO DENNIS ABOUT NEEDING MORE TIME. SO PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SEVEN B AND SEVEN C TO DECEMBER, WHATEVER IT IS. OKAY. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, MOTION WE. TABLE ITEM SEVEN B AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. ORDINANCE NUMBER 1269JCP26-008. FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CONSOLIDATED FUTURE USE LAND USE PLAN, AN ELEMENT OF THE SOUTHLAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR TOUCH MARK ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACKS 1C1D011D01A1D02A1D02B1D021F1F011E011E021G. RICHARD EASTER SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 41, LOT TWO, BLOCK FOUR. GATEWAY CHURCH 114. CAMPUS, LOTS 11 A AND 11 B OAKS ADDITION CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS, AND LOCATED AT 1009 1101 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. 1301 EAST ALLEN STREET. 1335 TO 1361 AND 1375 THROUGH 1379 EAST HIGHLAND STREET AND 1301 EAST BOULEVARD. THEY ARE TABLING TO THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE SEVEN. B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. [05:55:02] CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE MOTION TO TABLE. THAT MOTION CARRIES 707 B IS TABLED TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING. LET'S DO A MOTION ON SEVEN C. YES. MR. MAYOR I MOTION WE TABLE SEVEN C THE REQUEST THE APPLICANT ORDINANCE NUMBER 480-851. Z26-0052. FIRST READING ZONING CHANGING CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR TOUCH MARK ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS TRACKS 1C1D011D01A1D0D2A1D02B1D021F1F011E011E021G. RICHARD E SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 41, LOT TWO, BLOCK FOUR. GATEWAY CHURCH 114. CAMPUS, LOTS 1111 B OAKS ADDITION, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS AND LOCATED AT 1009 AND 1101 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. 1301 EAST HIGHLAND STREET. 13351361 AND 1375 THROUGH 1379 EAST HIGHLAND STREET AND 1301 KIRKLAND BOULEVARD TO THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE SEVEN. C DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTES ON THE MOTION TO TABLE. THAT MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM SEVEN C IS LIKEWISE TABLED TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM. COUNCIL. NEED A BREAK BEFORE WE GET TO OUR LAST ITEM. CAN WE TABLE THAT ONE TOO? DO YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT ONE? MUST BE PRESENT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? I'D LIKE TO TABLE IT. IT'S 1:00 IN THE MORNING. I MEAN, I MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION. WE. TABLE ITEM NINE A DISCUSSING. CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY SECRETARY TO PREPARE AN AMENDMENT TO THE SOUTHLAKE CITY CHARTER REGARDING CITY COUNCIL'S TERM LIMITS BEFORE THE. BEFORE THAT MOTION IS FINAL, I NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A TIMELINE INVOLVED WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE VERY LONG TO DISCUSS. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, BUT THERE IS A TIMELINE INVOLVED WITH WHEN THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY TABLING CAUSES, CAUSES, ISSUES WITH TIMELINES. HOLD ON. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S CAST OUR VOTES. AND IF THAT FAILS AND WE CAN GO INTO A FULL DISCUSSION ON NINE A. SO IT'S A MOTION TO TABLE NINE A TO WHAT THE NOVEMBER 1ST. THE NEXT ONE. YEAH. BECAUSE WE THE NEXT NOVEMBER 13TH. NOVEMBER 17TH. 17TH. YEAH. NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING FOR NOW. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE NINE A TO NOVEMBER 17TH. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, CAST YOUR VOTES ON A MOTION TO TABLE TO NOVEMBER 17TH. AND THAT MOTION FAILS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT NINE A. [9.A. Discuss and consider directing the City Attorney, in coordination with the City Secretary, to prepare a proposed amendment to the Southlake City Charter regarding City Council term limits. ] SO I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER TAGGART BROUGHT THIS ONE UP. SURE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THE DISCUSSION IS WITH REGARDS TO LIMITATION OF SUCCESSIVE TERMS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR CITY CHARTER. OUR CITY CHARTER IS VAGUE ON HOW LONG A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN SIT OUT IN BETWEEN TERMS. TO READ THAT TO US HERE, IT SAYS, NO PERSONS SHALL SERVE AS MAYOR FOR MORE THAN TWO. WELL, THIS IS RELEVANT. BUT ANYWAY NO PERSON SHALL SERVE AS MAYOR FOR MORE THAN TWO SUCCESSIVE ELECTED TERMS, AND NO PERSON SHALL SERVE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER FOR MORE THAN TWO SUCCESSIVE ELECTED TERMS. A TERM OF OFFICE SHALL BE DEFINED AS AN ELECTED PERIOD OF THREE YEARS. THIS PROVISION SHALL APPLY TO ALL ELECTIONS HELD SUBSEQUENT TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS CHARTER. THAT'S BEEN INTERPRETED TO, IN ESSENCE, MEAN THAT AFTER THE TWO SUCCESSIVE TERMS, A ONE YEAR SIT UP GOING FOR A DIFFERENT PLACE MAKES IT OKAY TO RUN AGAIN. BASED ON THE REQUESTS OF A NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE AND THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MEAN. I'M PROPOSING THAT WE AMEND THE CITY CHARTER TO DEFINE IT AS ACTUALLY A THREE, A FULL TERM SIT OUT PERIOD IN THE MAY 1ST ELECTION. THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSITION, NUMBER ONE, AND THAT WOULD WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE ON THAT BALLOT MAY 1ST. AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS NOT FOR A VOTE ON THAT ITEM. IT'S TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO THIS, TO COME BACK WITH US ON DECEMBER THE 1ST WITH THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM FOR US TO MAKE A MOTION ON SO THAT SHE CAN DO THE LEGWORK. SO ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, I COULD GO OUT AND HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND PAY FOR IT ALL OR, OR TWO, WE COULD AGREE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THE LEGWORK AND COME BACK WITH WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DEFINE THAT AS WELL AS WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AT THAT POINT FOR THAT, FOR THAT ELECTION. WELL, I THINK BEFORE WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEYS DRAFT ANYTHING, I THINK THIS IS A VOTING ITEM, RIGHT? ON WHAT DIRECTION TO GIVE TO THE STAFF. SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY CONSIDER OR OR GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION TO START DRAFTING A [06:00:05] PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT DONE A CHARTER AMENDMENT IN 20 YEARS. IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S REALLY CONFUSED. THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, A POLITICAL THING, GIVEN WHO WE KNOW HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT RUNNING NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF AN ANOMALY ALREADY. OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES OF KELLER AND GRAPEVINE AND ROANOKE AND WESTLAKE DON'T HAVE TERM LIMITS AT ALL. TROPHY CLUB ACTUALLY COPIED OURS. THEY USED OUR CHARTER WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THEIRS. IT'S THE SAME RULES. THE ONE YEAR SIT OUT. YOU CAN RUN FOR A DIFFERENT PLACE. SO WE'RE GOING BEYOND WHAT ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE, ARE DOING. WE'RE ALREADY PAST WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS FAR AS TERM LIMITS. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF OPENING UP OUR CHARTER DOING CHARTER AMENDMENTS. I DON'T WANT TO START GOING DOWN THAT PATH. WHEREAS COUNCIL'S CHANGE, WE START DOING POLITICAL THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE CITY CHARTER ON THIS ITEM. AND UNDERSTAND, YES, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A PROCESS WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY ATTORNEYS LOOKING AT IT. OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE LOOKED AT CHARTER AMENDMENTS HAVE PUT TOGETHER A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN A MONTH TO LOOK THROUGH THEIR CHARTERS FOR OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE CLEANED UP. BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE TARGETED AT ONE ITEM AND SPECIFICALLY ONE ELECTION, AND I'M NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE. SO, MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY. TO COUNTER THAT, IT'S NOT TARGETED TOWARD AN ELECTION, IF ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T AFFECT A SINGLE MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL NOW OR ELECTED FOR FOUR YEARS. IN FACT, I WOULD BE THE ONE NEXT THAT IT WOULD AFFECT IT WOULD AFFECT COUNCIL MEMBER SHARLI AND COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS. IT WOULD AFFECT ANYBODY. THE CITY OF COLLIERVILLE ACTUALLY DID THIS IN 2016 AND HAD 87% SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. SO WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, UNDER AGENDA ITEM NINE A, I MOVE THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY, IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY SECRETARY, TO PREPARE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE SOUTHLAKE CITY CHARTER REQUIRING A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS SERVED TWO CONSECUTIVE THREE YEAR TERMS TO REMAIN OUT OF CITY COUNCIL OFFICE FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE FULL YEARS BEFORE SERVING ANOTHER TERM. I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND NECESSARY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AT DECEMBER 1ST, 2026 REGULAR MEETING FOR A FORMAL CONSIDERATION. IT'S JUST IT'S PERFORMATIVE POLITICS. WHY IS PERFORMATIVE POLITICS? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO WIN ONE ELECTION. SORRY, I MADE A MOTION. NO, I MEAN, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE MOTIONING BEFORE WE DISCUSS IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, LET'S DISCUSS. WE JUST MADE A MOTION A MINUTE AGO. YEAH, THAT WAS TO TABLE AND GO HOME AT 1:00 IN THE MORNING. FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE JOBS AND NEED TO DO THINGS IN FIVE HOURS. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, LET'S DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, I MEAN, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT FORCING IT DOWN OUR THROATS RIGHT NOW AT 01:00 IN THE MORNING, WHEN I THINK THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE CHARTER THAT MAY NEED TO BE EXPLORED ALSO. AND THOSE COULD ACTUALLY COME IN AFTER AFTER THIS. NO YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE YOUR CHARTER ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THOSE COULD COME IN AS A SEPARATE PROPOSITION. I MADE A MOTION. SO IF I GET A SECOND DO WE VOTE ON YOUR MOTION WAS COMPLETED. I INTERRUPTED IT AND STOPPED IT. SO DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN THE REMAKE THE MOTION. SO I THINK THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR. IS THERE A. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? AND AGAIN, I'LL REITERATE IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS NOT GEARED TOWARDS THE MAY ELECTION, MAY OF 2027, WHICH IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT, THEN I'LL ADMIT I'M WRONG. BUT IF THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAY ELECTION AND THIS IS APPLIED PROSPECTIVELY BEYOND MAY OF 2027, PROBABLY A DIFFERENT STORY. IT FEELS LIKE IT'S A VERY POLITICAL THING. AND IF WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND IT'S NOT, THEN I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MINDSET ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO LET ME EXPLAIN THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND A LONGER DISCUSSION. PARDON ME. WE NEED A LONGER DISCUSSION. OKAY. I DON'T I DON'T MIND INTERRUPTING. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY TO EXPLAIN THIS. I COULD HAVE INTRODUCED THIS BACK IN APRIL. IF THAT WAS. IF IT WAS POLITICALLY TARGETED. I'VE SAT ON THIS SINCE APRIL, MAYBE EVEN MARCH. AND THE DUE DATE FOR PRESENTING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR TO HAVE THE SECOND VOTE WOULD HAVE BEEN AUGUST THE 17TH TO MAKE IT IN TIME FOR THE 78 DAYS, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE VOTED FOR 78 DAYS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION. SO I SAT ON IT AND WAITED OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE PERSON WHO'S GOING TO BE RUNNING. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT PERSON WAS GOING TO BE RUNNING AT THAT POINT IN TIME FOR CITY COUNCIL. AGAIN, IT HADN'T BEEN ANNOUNCED, BUT AS SOON AS I HEARD THAT THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I SAID, YOU KNOW, OUT OF RESPECT FOR THAT AND THE PROCESS, LET ME GO AHEAD AND WAIT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. [06:05:02] IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FUTURE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT FEEL LIKE WITH A ONE ONE YEAR SET UP PERIOD, IT BECOMES A CLUB, IS WHAT THE TERM THAT THEY USE. AND THEY FEEL THAT THE ONE YEAR SIT OUT PERIOD BECOMES AN INCUMBENT AND IT MAKES IT HARD. AND WHAT HAPPENS, IF I MAY, IS AT LEAST MYSELF AND I FEEL OTHERS ON CITY COUNCIL HAVE BEEN TOLD WHEN THEY WANT TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY GOT TO WAIT. IT'S NOT YOUR TURN. WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN, THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. YOU NEED TO BE ON PINS FIRST. YOU NEED TO DO THIS FIRST. YOU NEED TO DO THIS. AND SO THEY DON'T GET TO HAVE THAT CHANCE AND THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, IS THAT BEING ON CITY COUNCIL IS IS WONDERFUL AND GREAT AND A GREAT EXPERIENCE. BUT WE DON'T OPEN WE DON'T OPEN UP CITY COUNCIL FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN SOUTHLAKE WHO COULD BE ON CITY COUNCIL, WHO REPRESENT THIS TOWN, BECAUSE WE WE END UP PROMOTING SOMEBODY TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITHIN A YEAR WHEN IN REALITY, IF THEY IF YOU'RE THAT GOOD ON CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU REALLY ARE THAT WONDERFUL, THEN IF YOU SIT OUT THREE YEARS AND YOU'RE STILL RELEVANT, THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND THAT'S GREAT. AND I COMPLETELY 100% SUPPORT THAT. AND I'M NOT EVEN SAYING IT HAS TO BE THREE YEARS. SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT SIX YEARS, SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TWO YEARS. I JUST FEEL THE ONE YEAR IS TOO SHORT. I PROMISE YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND YOU KNOW ME, THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE DONE THIS WAY PRIOR TO THIS PARTICULAR. THEN WE CAN CLEAR THAT UP BY SAYING IT'S ONLY. WE CAN VOTE ON IT OR PUT IT ON THE BALLOT FOR MAY OF 2027, AND IT ONLY APPLIES PROSPECTIVELY. SO THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH 100% DOESN'T MATTER. THAT IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY I'VE WAITED TILL NOW, IS BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY RUNNING FOR BEFORE MAY. IT WOULD HAVE NO APPLICATION TO ANYONE WHATSOEVER UNTIL AFTER MAY. THE FIRST UNTIL IF THERE IS A SPECIAL ELECTION OR NOVEMBER ELECTION OR MAY OF 2028, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ANYONE ON CITY COUNCIL FOR FOUR YEARS IS HOW LONG WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOUGH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RUSHED. LET ME TELL YOU, IT AFFECTS ME. I DON'T GIVE TWO CRAPS BECAUSE IF YOU THINK I'M RUNNING FOR THIS AGAIN, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND. BUT I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING HERE. WE DO NOT CHOOSE WHO COMES UP TO THIS DAIS. AND I CAN SAY, AS THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS DAIS THAT'S HAD A VOTE CAST FOR THEM, THAT'S SITTING ON THIS DAIS CURRENTLY IN THEIR ROLE, THAT I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO RUN. TO RUN A CAMPAIGN, AND I HAD THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND RUN A CAMPAIGN. WE DON'T TELL ANYONE. YOU CAN'T RUN YET. YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH YET. I WAS ON PNC. I WASN'T ON ZBA. I WAS. I MEAN, GIVE ME A BREAK. IF YOU WANT TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL. GROW UP HERE AND RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL. I MEAN, IT'S THAT. IT'S SIMPLY A PIECE OF PAPER. YOU SIGN UP IN THE IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND YOUR NAME GOES ON THE BALLOT. AND THEN YOU GO AND YOU CAMPAIGN AND YOU WIN OR LOSE. VOTERS DECIDE. YEAH. THE VOTERS DECIDE. AND THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY TO THAT IS THE PAC IS THE ONLY ONE THAT EVER CAME OUT AND SAID, YOU HAVE. IF YOU WANT THE PACS, IF YOU WANT THE PACS ENDORSEMENT, WE CHOOSE WHO GOES. YOU HAVE TO COMMIT. YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO THEM THAT IF THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE YOU, YOU WOULDN'T RUN. RIGHT. AND CAROL ISD DOESN'T HAVE ANY TERM LIMITS, AND NEITHER DOES GRAPEVINE-COLLEYVILLE ISD. SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING FURTHER AWAY FROM WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING, INCLUDING OUR OWN SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH HAS NO TERM IS THE ONLY ONES THAT BULLIED PEOPLE OUT OF RUNNING. WELL, I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO ADD TO THIS. THE BOOGEYMAN. I REMEMBER A SIMILAR ARGUMENT. GENTLEMEN. GENTLEMEN. HOLD ON. GUYS. SHE'S GOT THE FLOOR. GO AHEAD. FRANCES. I REMEMBER WHEN WE PUT TERM LIMITS ON. AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME SAID TO ME. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY WANTS THIS, BECAUSE THE WAY THEY GET IT, THE WAY THEY GET TERM LIMITS, THEY JUST DON'T VOTE FOR YOU. THAT I BELIEVE PASSED LIKE BY 80%. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING TO VERIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY FEEL ABOUT IT? AND I THINK THAT YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED THAT ONCE AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY PROBABLY SUPPORT IT. AND SO PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS INACCURATE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE. SO I DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU GET WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PUT IT BEFORE A VOTE. YOU GET THE COMMUNITY DECIDE. WE ARE CONJECTURING RIGHT NOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY, HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT SOMEBODY SITTING OUT ONE YEAR. I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL. HE SAID THAT WE CHOOSE WHO SITS UP HERE THAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS LIKE IT'S IT'S A GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB AND WE CHOOSE WHO SITS HERE AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S THE HOGWASH THAT I'M TIRED OF. FREAKING SIGN UP AND RUN. I MEAN, YOU RAN MY CAMPAIGN. I WENT TO, WHAT, 97 FREAKING EVENTS? I MEAN, WE BROKE OUR NECK. FOR WHAT? ALL DUE RESPECT. CAN WE GET BACK TO. YEAH, BUT, I MEAN, THAT'S MY POINT IS YOU CAN RUN BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I SAID I DON'T HAVE I SUPPORT TERM LIMITS FROM WASHINGTON ON UP. [06:10:03] IF WE COULD GET RID OF HALF OF THE IDIOTS IN WASHINGTON, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. PROBABLY COULD AGREE ON. WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT ONE. BUT THE WAY I SEE THIS. GO AHEAD. GARY. I'M SORRY. THERE'S NO WAY. THERE'S NO WAY IT AFFECTS ANYBODY IN THE MAY ELECTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE IT'S ON THE BALLOT. IT WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT MAY ELECTION. WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ELECTION IN SEVERAL YEARS, SO OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO GO TO THE ELECTORATE WITH CHARTER AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN FAIRLY LIMITED, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT TIME MIGHT BE. BUT I I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF PUTTING STUFF BEFORE THE VOTERS ON THE CHARTER. THIS TYPE OF STUFF. YOU KNOW, AND I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN RICK WANTED RICK PUT ON THE BALLOT CHARTER AMENDMENT TO ELIMINATE TERM LIMITS. AND I DIDN'T SUPPORT IT. AND IT FAILED MISERABLY TOO. SO BUT I JUST LIKE I SAID, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF, OF GIVING THE VOTERS A SAY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND I MEAN, I HAVE TO KIND OF AGREE, THE ONE YEAR THING FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE REVOLVING DOOR WHERE MAKING THAT A LITTLE LONGER. I MEAN, YOU'RE A PERFECT EXAMPLE. YEAH, I, I CAME BACK AFTER TEN YEARS. SO YOU WERE APPOINTED. WELL, I RAN, I RAN AND I GOT, I RAN IN MORE CONTESTED ELECTIONS THAN YOU HAVE, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. IF YOU WANT TO START. THAT'S TRUE. DO WHAT THEY'VE ALL BEEN. EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I THINK GOING BACK WE HAVE A MOTION PENDING. WE HAVE A MOTION. SO THEN WE NEED IF WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS OVER I WILL MAKE A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY HEAR THE MOTION BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT ANOTHER POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WE NEED, THAT WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT IN LINES WITH THIS. SO I MEAN, IS IS THERE A METHOD FOR US TO ACTUALLY. YES. INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE, LOOK AND SEE, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT INSIDE THIS? OKAY. YES, IF I MAY. YEAH. THIS SETS IN MOTION THE FACT THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOMETHING A PROPOSITION. THIS WOULD BE PROPOSITION NUMBER ONE. THIS IS THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION THIS YEAR WHERE WE HAVE THE CHANCE. IT DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYERS ANY MONEY BECAUSE WE WILL BE HAVING AN ELECTION IN MAY. FIRST. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE CHARTER THAT COULD COULD USE SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUR PACKETS BY BY FRIDAY. WELL, NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM BY WEDNESDAY. SO THERE ARE SOME CLEANUP ITEMS THAT WE COULD DO AS WELL. ONCE WE AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US THE EXTRA TIME TO IDENTIFY THE OTHER PROPOSITIONS THAT WE MAY WANT TO ADD. THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET THIS THROUGH TONIGHT, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY THE 12TH TO MAKE THE SECOND VOTE ON ANYTHING NOW. THAT'S SO THAT WOULD MEAN THE MEETING BEFORE THAT. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE TIMELINE TONIGHT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK WITH US BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER 1ST. SO THAT GIVES HER A MONTH TO WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE MOTION WOULD BE. THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS, WE CAN THEN VOTE TO CREATE A COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE, IF WE WANT TO DO A COMMITTEE OF ADDITIONAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT WE MAY NEED TO MAKE BEFORE THAT. MAY. FIRST. MAY. FIRST BALLOT. THEN WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS BASED ON THAT COMMITTEE. DECEMBER THE 1ST, WE CAN ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY OR MID JANUARY, ACTUALLY MID JANUARY, TO BRING US ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE MAY WANT. OR THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY FIND SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO AS WELL TOO. SO THAT GIVES US THAT THAT AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S THERE. AND THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE THERE THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY CLEAN UP. MAY I REQUEST CLARIFICATION? IS THE MOTION PENDING TO REQUEST OUR OFFICE WORK WITH STAFF ON NOT JUST THE THE THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, BUT TO UNDERTAKE A FULL REVIEW OF THE CHARTER FOR OTHER AMENDMENTS AS WELL. MY MOTION IS JUST FOR THIS ONE ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE PROPOSITION NUMBER ONE ON THE MAY 1ST BALLOT, AND IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU TO KNOW, LIKE THIS EVENING. IF WE. AS A PART OF THAT, YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO WORK ON ANYTHING ELSE BEYOND THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN. AND SO. SO THAT'S WHY MY SPECIFIC MOTION IS SPECIFICALLY ONLY FOR THIS. IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN SAY. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, IN ADDITION TO THIS, THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED ON DECEMBER THE 1ST. DO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO WORK ON ANYTHING ELSE AS AS PROPOSITION NUMBER TWO ON. THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING CLARIFICATION OF. THANK YOU. SORRY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT INTERCHANGE THEN. SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'RE SAYING THIS COULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT DESPITE WHAT YOU JUST SAID? AS I UNDERSTAND THE PENDING MOTION, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT MY OFFICE WOULD BE REVIEWING. IF COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS TO AUTHORIZE US TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE CHARTER FOR OTHER SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS. [06:15:06] I WOULD REQUEST AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE ON NOVEMBER 17TH. THEN WE COULD MAKE THE MOTION FOR HER TO LOOK AT ANYTHING ELSE AND CREATE A COMMITTEE. ON DECEMBER THE 1ST. BETWEEN NOVEMBER THE 17TH AND DECEMBER THE 1ST, WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE. IF WE ACTUALLY WANT TO HAVE A COMMITTEE, IF WE NEED. IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMITTEE. THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN BE THEN APPOINTED AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE IN JANUARY. FOR CLARIFICATION. WOULD IT BE MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE HER TO. LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TIME FOR ONE IN IN ONE MEETING, AND IT SEEMS LIKE SHE COULD COME BACK WITH A SLATE AND THEN WE CAN FORM THE COMMITTEE AND LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS. SO I DON'T KNOW. COULD IT COULD IT ALL BE DONE WITH THIS MOTION IS WHAT I'M ASKING. NO, BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR MOTION IS FOR ONE ITEM AT THIS POINT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE FOR HER TO COME BACK WITH THE MOTION AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO DO. I DON'T. WHY WON'T YOU WHY DON'T YOU JUST AMEND YOUR MOTION TO ALLOW HER TO MAKE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE AT THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK BECAUSE SHE'D HAVE TO DO A FULL CHARTER REVIEW FOR ANY OTHER ANY OTHER ITEMS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT BY DECEMBER THE 1ST. IF COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO DO IT BY DECEMBER 1ST, WE'LL DO IT BY DECEMBER 1ST. IT WOULD BE IN TANDEM WITH THE STAFF AND AND THE COUNCIL. RIGHT. LIKE LIKE ALISON. AND THE STAFF WOULD GET WITH US OR WE WOULD LOOK AT THINGS. I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T I MEAN, WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO LET. CARRIE. OKAY. YOU COULD TELL US WHAT TO DO. I MEAN, CORRECT. WHAT YOU COULD DO. YEAH. WE PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS OR POSSIBLE TOPICS OR ITEMS, CLEAN UP ITEMS POTENTIALLY. IT SOUNDS LIKE IS WHAT IT WOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY BE. YEAH. I'M GOOD WITH ALL OF THAT. BUT A FEW MINUTES AGO WE DISCUSSED AND GOT LAUGHED AT OVER HERE AS WELL WITH REGARDS TO BEING POLITICAL AND TRYING TO MAKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT, WHICH IS NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO SATISFY THE REQUEST OF CONSTITUENTS IN THE CITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO AMEND THIS MOTION TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY DO ANY ANY OTHER CLEANUP ITEMS THAT SHE FEELS NECESSARY FOR DECEMBER THE 1ST, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO DELAY THIS LONG ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT BEFORE THAT DEADLINE FOR THE SECOND READING AT THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, BECAUSE AGAIN, I COULD I COULD COUNTER BACK WITH TABLING THIS TILL NOVEMBER 17TH ENDS UP HAVING US SIX PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE LOSE COUNCIL MEMBER FOX IS GOING TO BE ABSENT THAT PARTICULAR DAY. SO IF WE SEE IT ALL AT ONE TIME, PERSONALLY, IF WE MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE WANT IT, AS KARA SAID, BY A SPECIFIC DATE, WOULD YOU BE WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES. WHY DON'T WE MAKE THE MOTION THAT WAY THEN? THERE'S A MOTION PENDING ON THE FLOOR. SO WE EITHER NEED A VOTE THAT EITHER NEED TO AMEND THAT MOTION, OR WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION BEFORE WE CAN CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MOTION. WHAT HASN'T BEEN SECONDED YET? I THINK GARY MAY HAVE, BUT WE JUST AMEND IT THEN. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU. YEAH. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU JUST AMEND YOUR MOTION TO ALLOW THE AT THE SAME TIME TO BRING FORTH AT THE NEXT MEETING ANY OTHER. YOU KNOW, THE BEGINNINGS OF ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE THE STAFF'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT IN THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN UNDER AGENDA ITEM NINE A, I MOVE THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY SECRETARY TO PREPARE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CITY SOUTHLAKE CITY CHARTER, REQUIRING A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS SERVED TWO CONSECUTIVE THREE YEAR TERMS TO REMAIN OUT OF CITY COUNCIL OFFICE FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS BEFORE SERVING ANOTHER TERM. I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, A NECESSARY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER DECEMBER 1ST, 2026 REGULAR MEETING FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION. ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF THAT MEETING, THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD IDENTIFY ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT SHE FEELS AT THAT POINT IN TIME ARE NECESSARY TO AMEND THE CITY CHARTER FOR THE MAY 1ST ELECTION. CARRIE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. CAST YOUR VOTES ON ITEM NINE. AYE. THE MOTION ON NINE A, AS AMENDED. AND THAT MOTION ON NINE A CARRIES 5 TO 2. SO WE WILL SEE THAT IN DECEMBER. ALL RIGHT. DECEMBER 1ST. THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.