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ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, APOLOGIES FOR TAKING A LONGER BREAK THERE.

[1. Call to Order.]

LITTLE VENTING SESSION. TEN, THIRTY EIGHT P.M.

I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SIGNBOARD MEETING THIS EVENING, OCTOBER EIGHTH. NO NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.

WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MINUTES FROM OUR SEPTEMBER 3RD SIGN BOARD

[4. Consider: Approving the minutes from the September 3, 2020 Sign Board Meeting.]

MEETING. WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THESE? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM OUR ESTEEMED VICE CHAIRMAN.

HOWEVER, I THINK WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR THIS MEETING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO VOICE VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING.

SO JUST BE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 3RD TWENTY TWENTY SIGN BOARD MEETING.

A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAYBE START AROUND THE DAIS.

COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.

YES. MR. VICE CHAIR.

I'M AN AYE.

AYE FOR SPRINGER. AYE FOR [INAUDIBLE].

AYE. PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY SAYS THE PIRATE.

[5. Consider: SV20-0013, Sign Variance for Tom Thumb located at 100 W. Southlake Blvd., Suite 200, Southlake Texas.]

ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT NOW.

IT'S A SIGNED VARIANCE FOR TOM THUMB.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ONE HUNDRED WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD AND [INAUDIBLE] CHAPEL.

AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND TOM THUMB LOCATED HERE.

EXHIBIT SHOWING DISTANCE FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED WOULD BE A THIRD SIGN SPECIFIC TO THE TOM THUMB.

THESE ARE THE EXISTING SIGNS ON THE BUILDING SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH TOM THUMB.

THE STARBUCKS WAS ISSUED AS A SEPARATE OPERATING FACILITY WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER AT THE TIME THAT PERMIT WAS ISSUED.

TOM THUMB IS REQUESTING A THIRD SIGN IN THIS LOCATION TO ADDRESS THEIR CURBSIDE SERVICES.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN, PROPOSED LOCATION OF THAT SIGN.

AND THE ONLY VARIANCE BEING REQUESTED IS TO PERMIT A THIRD SIGN ON THE SINGLE STREET FRONTAGE [INAUDIBLE].

SOME EXISTING PHOTOS OF THE AREA.

THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER GROCERS IN SOUTHLAKE . THIS WAS DONE IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE CURBSIDE SERVICE FOR CENTRAL MARKET, AND THIS WAS DONE IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE KROGER AND THEIR PICK UP CURBSIDE SERVICE.

THIS WAS TECHNICALLY DONE UNDER THEIR CONDITIONAL MASTER SIGN PERMIT AND REPLACING THE SIGNATURE SIGN WITH THE CHECKLIST SIGN.

WITH THAT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND I GUESS I'D JUST SAY I APPRECIATED THAT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WHERE YOU PUT UP SOME OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS AND JUST TRYING TO AGAIN, WE'RE ALWAYS STRIVING THE BEST WE CAN HERE TO BE SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT IN OUR APPROVALS, APPRECIATE STAFF DILIGENCE AND THAT FOR US. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION, CHAIRMAN.

NOTING THAT TOM THUMBS COLORS ARE NOT BLACK, BUT THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING IS BLACK.

AND IS THERE A REASON? DID THE SHOPPING CENTER MAKE IT SO THAT ALL THE SIGNS WERE BLACK? AND THEN ARE WE DETERRING FROM THAT WITH THE WHOLE BIG RED CAR? I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.

I DON'T RECALL ANYTHING SPECIFIC WITH THE COLOR OF THE CURRENT--.

CENTRAL MARKET HAS-- THEIR COLORS ARE GREEN AND SO THE GREEN, IT'S ALL IN LINE.

SO TO ME, IT LOOKS A LITTLE ODD THAT THE PHARMACY SIGN, THE TOM THUMB SIGN, THEY'RE BOTH BLACK AND WE'RE GOING TO STICK A RED DOT ON THE OTHER END.

YOU'RE HITTING ON EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT, WHICH I THINK AND I'M NOT THE SIGN GURU BY FAR, BUT I THINK WHAT STAFF WILL TELL US IS THE FACT IT'S RED DOESN'T NECESSARILY TRIP SOMETHING, BUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A THIRD SIGN DOES.

SO WE HAVE THAT LATITUDE.

MAYBE WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF THERE'S A MORE NEUTRAL COLOR THEY CAN BE OPEN TO,

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BECAUSE I KNOW WE DID DO THAT ON CENTRAL MARKET WHERE WE TRIED TO MEASURE THE NEUTRAL SIGNAGE COLOR SO OR TRY TO MAKE A THEME OR SOMETHING.

OR AT LEAST KEEP IT IN LINE WITH THE LOOK OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING, WHAT THE THEME IS GOING ON WITH THE COLORS AND THE BRANDING.

TO ME, I WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, I'M LIKE, WHY DID THEY GO WITH RED WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS BLACK? SO THAT'S--.

OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE CALL UP THE APPLICANT? IS THIS THE SAME COLOR SCHEME THAT WAS USED IN THE PARKING LOT SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE ? I DO NOT HAVE A PHOTO OF THE--.

I BELIEVE THEY REMOVED THOSE SIGNS SINCE THEN.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY'D BEEN REMOVED.

THEY THE PICKUP SIGNS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY THE ROUND ONES WERE REMOVED WERE MUCH SMALLER SQUARE SIGNS THAT ARE NOW COMPLIANT WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

NOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

OK, I GUESS WE'LL GO AND CALL THE APPLICANT NOW IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO COME UP HERE.

I THINK YOU HEARD THE TONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

SO WE'LL GO AND LET YOU ADDRESS THAT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THE REASON FOR THE RED AND WHITE LOGO IS IT IS PART OF THEIR IDENTIFYING IMAGE FOR THE SERVICE.

THAT IS HOW TOM THUMB ADDRESSES CURBSIDE SERVICES THROUGHOUT ALL THEIR STORES.

SO THAT IS THE REASON IT WAS PRESENTED IN THOSE COLORS.

THERE ARE OTHER COLORS WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR WITHIN THIS SHOPPING CENTER ALONG THE WEST SIDE THERE, THERE ARE OTHER SERVICES LIKE SUBWAY AND NAIL SALON, AND THEY HAVE VARIOUS COLORS ON ON ALL THOSE BUILDINGS AS WELL.

SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE RED AND WHITE IMAGE FOR THE LOGO. I MIGHT BE, WITHIN OUR APPROVAL, OPEN TO THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE THE APPLICANT SHOWING SOME ALTERNATIVES IN A MORE NEUTRAL COLORING, I.E.

MAYBE A, I DON'T KNOW, A TAN COLOR THERE, SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MATCHES THE ROCK OR JUST SOMETHING THAT--. OR MAYBE INCORPORATE A LITTLE BLACK OR, I DON'T KNOW, JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK CONSISTENT. YEAH.

I THINK. ANY IDEAS OR--.

OH, I KNOW WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE.

MY IDEA IS DON'T PUT A SIGN UP THERE AT ALL.

I SHOP AT THIS GROCERY STORE.

THAT ENTRANCE THAT YOU'VE GOT THAT OVER IS CLOSED AND HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR MONTHS NOW, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU'VE DONE THAT.

BUT NOBODY IS GOING TO CARE ABOUT THAT SIGN IN UP THERE.

IF THEY ARE GOING TO BUY GROCERIES AND CALL IN, THEY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT.

NOBODY'S GOING TO HAVE JUST WALK INTO THIS PARKING LOT AND GO, OH, THEY HAVE DRIVE UP.

SO IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SIGN PERIOD.

AND THIS IS THE SENTIMENT THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE SUGGEST POTENTIALLY THE NEUTRAL COLOR SCHEME BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T EVEN LIKE THAT.

SO YES, SIR.

SO I MEAN, I GUESS IF YOU HAD TO GO A NEUTRAL COLOR, WOULD YOU HAVE IDEAS ON THAT? I MEAN, MAYBE A TAN INSTEAD OF THE RED? WELL, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE ACTUAL LETTERING.

SO THE DRIVE UP AND GO, THERE'S SOME LATITUDE WITH OUR CUSTOMER RELATED TO THAT.

WE ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE CUSTOMER.

I'M WITH COMET SIGNS, WE'RE THE MANUFACTURER AND INSTALLER OF THE SIGNS.

SO THERE WAS SOME LATITUDE IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE ACTUAL LETTERS.

BUT THEY ARE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY'RE FIRM ON THE RED AND WHITE, BUT THEY WOULD REALLY PREFER TO KEEP THE RED AND WHITE BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THEIR IMAGE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE DELIBERATE? AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I MIGHT ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE REASON, MR. SPRINGER--. DR. SPRINGER.

DR. SPRINGER. I'M SORRY, SIR.

SO THE REASON FOR IT BEING OVER THERE IS THAT IS WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE.

SO IT DOES KIND OF HELP IDENTIFY WITH ON THE LOT WHERE THE SERVICE IS LOCATED ON THE LOT.

SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT IS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SIR.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE YOU GO? NO, SIR. OK, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO DELIBERATE AND JUST SEE IF WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU.

OK, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DENIAL OR THERE'S A STRAIGHT APPROVAL OR THERE'S AN APPROVAL WITH THE CONTINGENCY OF A NEUTRAL COLOR SCHEME RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPLICANT, PROVIDE A NEUTRAL COLOR SCHEME FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

SO YEAH.

OR EVEN ALTERNATIVE COLORS.

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SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OK WITH THAT.

I'M OK WITH THAT. ARE YOU OK WITH IT? OK, MR. ROTHMEIER? ANY OF THOSE NEUTRAL? YOU KNOW, I THINK NEUTRAL IS GOOD.

I THINK THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IF WE LOOK AT IMPROVING THE SIDE AND YOU GO WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NEUTRAL, IT'S ALMOST NOT VISIBLE, IN WHICH CASE YOU MAYBE DON'T EVEN PUT IT UP.

OK, WE'LL SEE HOW YOU END UP VOTING.

WE KNOW ABOUT YOU AND YOU HAD INDICATIONS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK I PREFER TO SEE A COUPLE OF COLOR OPTIONS.

OK, MR. [INAUDIBLE], YOU SEEM TO HAVE AN OPINION TONIGHT, SO.

OK. ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, I THINK MAYBE IF YOU CRAFT A MOTION, I GUESS MAYBE THAT, I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO KEEP A STRAIGHT FACE HERE, MAYBE WITH ALTERNATIVES AND NEUTRAL COLORS THAT COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER, THEN COUNCIL WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. WE'RE GOING TO DO A VOICE VOTE AS EVERYBODY REMEMBERS.

LET THE VICE CHAIRMAN MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR, EXCUSE ME, FIVE ON OUR AGENDA AS V TWO ZERO DASH ZERO ZERO ONE THREE A SIGN VARIANCE FOR TOM THUMB, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 2ND TWENTY TWENTY AND NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO BRING ALTERNATIVE COLORS, INCLUDING NEUTRAL COLORS BEFORE COUNCIL.

OK, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE'LL GO OUT AND DO A VOICE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE].

AYE. MR. ROTHMEIER.

AYE.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN. AYE.

I'LL VOTE AYE.

NAY FOR DR. SPRINGER.

AYE FOR COMMISSIONER PHALEN AND A FIRM AYE FROM COMMISSIONER DYCHE.

OK, SO MOTION PASSES SIX ONE.

SO GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

I'D BRING A FEW GOOD NEUTRAL OPTIONS AND COUNCIL WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND HOPEFULLY GIVE YOU SOME PRETTY QUICK FEEDBACK AND GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU.

YOU BET. ALL RIGHT. TIME FOR THE LAST ITEM ON OUR SIGN BOARD AGENDA AND OUR LAST ITEM TO

[6. Consider: SV20-0014, Sign Variance for First National Bank located at 605 W. SH 114, Southlake, Texas.]

CONSIDER THIS EVENING, SIGN VARIANCE FOR FIRST NATIONAL BANK HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

THANK YOU FOR FOR BEING PATIENT UNTIL THE APPLICANT THAT NOW WE DID OUR BEST, SO.

THIS IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF WEST OF 114 AND SHADY OAKS.

THIS LOCATION OF THE PROJECT SITE AND THE APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNS INCLUDED IN THEIR SIGN PACKAGE, EXCUSE ME.

THE SIGN PACKAGE INCLUDES AN UPPER STORY SIGN FOR THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK NAME.

THEY ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE UPPER STORY SIGN, THE ABILITY TO HAVE UP TO A 30 INCH SIGN AND UP TO JUST UNDER SIXTY NINE SQUARE FEET OF SIGN AREA.

THE LETTER SIZE LIMITATION IS JUST APPROXIMATELY TWENTY FOUR AND A HALF INCHES.

THE TOTAL PERMITTED SIGN AREA, GIVEN THE SPACE, AND THIS IS COMPARING IT TO A TYPICAL FIRST STORY ATTACHED SIGN IS APPROXIMATELY 58 SQUARE FEET.

INCLUDED IN THEIR SIGNED PACKAGE IS THE CLOCK THAT WAS INCLUDED ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.

THE CLOCK WAS PART OF THE APPROVED ELEVATION'S UNDER THE ZONING.

AND THEY HAVE, HOWEVER, INCLUDED THAT AS PART OF THEIR SIGN PACKAGE.

THE SIGN ALSO INCLUDES A MONUMENT SIGN STRUCTURE WHICH WOULD HAVE CAPACITY FOR POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL TENANTS.

SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ADDRESS AND ALSO THE OVERHANG OF THIS UPPER SECTION OR THIS UPPER PORTION OF THE SIGN OVERHANGS INTO THE 15 FOOT SETBACK.

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PACKAGE INCLUDES SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE AND THE DEVIATIONS FROM STANDARD SIGN REGULATIONS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE ARE ITS HEIGHT.

MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS SIX, EXCUSE ME, THREE FEET AND ALSO THE SIGN FACE AREA, AS WELL AS A REQUIREMENT THAT THIS BE CLAD WITH SIX INCHES OF MASONRY AROUND ALL COMPONENTS OF THE SIGN.

THEN THIS IS APPLICABLE SIGNS VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THIS PARTICULAR SIGN.

THE PROXIMITY OF THAT TO SHADY OAKS COULD HAVE IT BE VISIBLE.

HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME FAIRLY DENSE VEGETATIVE SCREENING IN THIS AREA THAT MAY NOT BE SPECIFICALLY VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING WITH THE SIGNAGE SHOWN ON IT BOTH DAY AND NIGHT.

INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE IS THE DIRECTIONAL AND MORNING SIGNAGE ON CLEARANCE AND LOCATION OF DRIVE LANES AND ATMS OR SERVICE LINES AND THE ATM.

AND SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB AGAIN OF PROVIDING SOME [INAUDIBLE] OF THINGS WE'VE DONE RECENTLY THAT MAY BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.

SO, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT.

I MEAN, YOU WANT TO COME UP NOW AND MAYBE SAY SOMETHING OR WOULD YOU RATHER US KIND OF DELIBERATE OVER SOME OF THESE AND THEN THEN COME UP AND OR BOTH? LET US DELIBERATE, THEN YOU CAN COME UP AND ADDRESS HOW THE DELIBERATIONS GO AND WE'LL SEE . AS ALWAYS ON THESE, LET'S JUST MAYBE START WITH THE FIRST ONE AND WE'LL JUST GO AND TRY TO REACH CONSENSUS ON EACH ONE.

AND WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY THINK OF WHAT THEY HEARD.

UPPER STORY SIGN AND 30 INCHES VERSUS 25.

I WAS KIND OF QUESTIONING THAT ORIGINALLY.

AND THEN I SAW THAT WE HAVE APPROVED SOME AROUND THE THIRTY INCH AND IT IS THE ONLY SIGN ON THE BUILDING. SO I WAS OK WITH IT.

BUT ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE OK. I THINK WE'RE OKAY ON THAT ONE.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD. OK, WOW.

I DON'T KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP HEARING THAT BUT AT LEAST YOU HEARD IT ONCE.

MY UNDERSTANDING, AND STAFF JUST CORRECT ME, THE UPPER STORY CLOCK WAS APPROVED IN THE SITE PLAN. THAT'S MORE JUST AS AN FYI FOR US.

WE'RE NOT REALLY HERE TO DELIBERATE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OK, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.

NOW, THIS ONE, I DO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON, AT LEAST ME AND WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHERS FEEL LIKE. I PERSONALLY SUBSCRIBING TO THE, HERE GOOD, THE DR.

SPRINGER METHODOLOGY.

THE SIGNAGE.

SIGNS ONE AND THREE MADE SENSE TO ME.

IF YOU'RE TURNING INTO THE SITE AND WANTING TO KNOW WHERE TO GO.

SIGN TWO IF THE DRIVE THROUGH ATM MACHINE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND IF YOU CAN'T FIND THE LOBBY, I JUST I DIDN'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT.

AND HONESTLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE SIGNS BACKED BY A SHADY OAKS, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT AGAIN, JUST IN TERMS OF BEING SENSITIVE TO THEM.

MY INCLINATION WAS TO REMOVE SIGN NUMBER TWO.

BUT THEN ALSO ON THE SIGNS, PUT THEM BACK AT THE THREE FOOT HEIGHT.

FELT LIKE THAT WAS FINE AND INCLUDE THE MASONRY SIGN STRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE REMAINING TWO ARE OUT FRONT AND KIND OF ALONG 114.

SO WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THEM LOOKING GOOD.

BUT ANY ANY THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THAT THAT ANYBODY HEARD? PRO CON? TIRED? I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT SOME OF THESE JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE.

AND AM I LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT THAT THERE'S NOT JUST ONE, TWO AND THREE, BUT THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER-- WHAT ARE NINE AND 10?

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THOSE ARE THE OVERHEAD WITH THE DRIVE THRU AND ALL THAT.

WE'LL GET TO THAT. WE'LL GET TO THAT.

YES. SO THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE WAS LIMIT.

IT KEEPS DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE ONE AN THREE, ELIMINATE TWO, PUT IT BACK DOWN TO THE THREE FOOT HEIGHT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SIX SQUARE FEET VERSUS FOUR.

ANYBODY HAVE A STRONG OPINION ON THAT? WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO IT ANYWHERE YOU ARE IN THIS PARKING LOT HERE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM, YOU KNOW, 114.

SO I WOULD SAY GO WITH THE SMALLER SIZE.

OK, SO YOU HEAR THAT, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN. AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE MASONRY SIGN STRUCTURE TO TRY TO GIVE IT A NICE LOOK, PARTICULARLY FROM THE FREEWAY.

SO NOW BACK TO THE DRIVE THROUGH SIGNAGE.

I DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT I GUESS I WOULD THINK THE LETTER HEIGHT OF SIX INCHES VERSUS THE EIGHT, YOU KNOW, STICKING TO THE ORDINANCE THERE WOULD BE FINE.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS FINE TO LABEL IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU NEED IT LARGER THAN THE ORDINANCE. BUT ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? YOU AGREE? OK, SIX INCHES VERSUS EIGHT.

AND THEN IS THE SIX INCHES CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BANKS AND THE OVERHEAD SIGNS THAT THEY HAVE AT FROST AND OTHERS? AND I THINK, AGAIN, THAT COMMISSIONER SPRINGERS LOGIC, I THINK AFTER YOU FOUND THE ATM MACHINE THE FIRST TIME, PROBABLY FIND IT THE SECOND TIME.

SO. OK. AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE MONUMENT SIGN, I DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON IT.

I ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT LOOKED FAIRLY NICE, BUT I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS.

MAYBE THIS IS WHERE THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP.

KNOWING THAT YOU'LL BE A SINGLE TENANT, ALBEIT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT BE A SINGLE TENANT FOREVER, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.

BUT JUST THE NEED FOR SIX PANELS ON THAT SIGN THERE.

AND YOU HAD TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

NAME'S TOM BAKER, THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.

MY ADDRESS IS THIRTY SEVEN TWENTY EIGHT SUMMERSET YORK LANE, HOUSTON, TEXAS.

REGARDING THE MONUMENT SIGN AND THE TENANT PANELS, THE IDEA IS THERE'S A SITE TO THE SOUTH THAT IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE SALES CONTRACT, THEY AGREED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MONUMENT SIGN ON THEIR TRACT AND THAT THIS WOULD COUNT FOR BOTH TRACKS, THE NORTH TRACT AND THE SOUTH TRACK.

SO THE MULTITENANT ARE FOR THE SOUTH TRACK.

THE BANK BUILDING WILL BE A SINGLE TENANT AND PROBABLY REMAIN A SINGLE TENANT FOREVER THE WAY IT'S CONFIGURED INTERNALLY.

ALL RIGHT, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON WHAT YOU HEARD IN TERMS OF HOW WE WOULD MODIFY THE SIGNAGE? AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK THE DIRECTIONALS, THE SECOND ES02 CAN GO AWAY.

THE MASONRY I MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.

I THINK TO ME SOMETIMES IT DATES THE SIGNAGE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE DIRECTIONALS, YOU'RE TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THE BUILDING AND MINIMIZE THE DIRECTIONALS.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.

WE CAN DO IT. I JUST THINK A LITTLE BIT LESS IS MORE.

HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT THIS? I THINK WE MAY STICK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE BOTH, YOU KNOW, BOTH OPTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU COUNSEL LOOK AT IT.

AND IF YOU WANT TO ADVOCATE TO THEM THAT YOU THINK THIS IS A CLEANER, BETTER LOOK, AND THEY AGREE, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO SHOW THEM.

BUT IF THEY DON'T AGREE, THEN THEY'VE GOT YOUR NEW MASONRY ONE TO LOOK AT.

OK, CAN WE DRAW THE MASONRY ONES REALLY UGLY.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID EARLIER TONIGHT, THE COUNCIL CAN BE EVEN MEANER THAN COMMISSIONER DYCHE, SO YOU BETTER WATCH OUT.

THEY'LL MAYBE TELL IF YOU DID THAT INTENTIONALLY.

YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THOUGHT, THOUGH, IS IF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THAT SIGN. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SQUARE, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, WHAT DOES MASONRY SURROUND DO OTHER THAN ADD TO THE SIGN OF THE SIZE OF THAT? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? I MEAN WE GENERALLY TRY TO DRESS THEM UP AND I GUESS MAYBE STAFF, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, DID YOU HAVE SOME-- DENNIS, DO WE HAVE SOME COMPARABLES FOR THAT IN HERE? I THOUGHT MAYBE BANK OF AMERICA OR SOMETHING OR I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, FEELS LIKE THREE

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DAYS AGO. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE IT, BUT I THOUGHT MAYBE--.

THE WESTIN DIRECTIONAL SIGN IS NICE TO QUITE NICE.

IT'S REALLY SIMPLE, MODERN, CLEAN.

AND IT'S ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR LITTLE WORKSHEET HERE, IT'S NICE.

IT'S NOT THE STAKES IN THE GROUND WITH THE GOOFY, YOU KNOW, METAL POLES.

IT'S LIKE A NICE PLEATED DIRECTIONAL SIGN.

WELL, WOULD EVERYBODY BE MINIMAL TO THIS THAT WE MAYBE WE DON'T CHANGE THAT.

I'D PREFER NOT TO SEE THE MASONRY.

I THINK IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE GAUDY ON A DIRECTIONAL SIGN.

BUT THAT'S MY [INAUDIBLE]. WELL, HERE'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS WE STICK TO THE TWO OF THEM, NOT THREE, STICK TO THE THREE FEET HIGH, STICK TO THE FOUR SQUARE FEET PER SIDE FACE. AND WE JUST LEAVE THE STYLE THE WAY IT IS NOW.

BUT WE PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW WITH THE MASONRY.

LET COUNCIL SEE THAT IF IT REALLY LOOKS AS HIDEOUS AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THEY'LL YOU KNOW--. CAN I ALSO DO A THIRD OPTION, WHICH IS MORE LIKE THE WESTIN SIGN? IT'S MORE OF A PLATE SIGN IT MAYBE WITH A--.

AS I'VE HEARD COUNCILOR MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY LOVE OPTIONS.

SO I THINK A THIRD OPTION WOULD BE GREAT.

OK, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ANYTHING ELSE YOU HEARD? YEAH, JUST DON'T DO ONE OF THOSE RUSTY METAL SIGNS LIKE EVERYBODY LIKES TO DO RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT.

LOOKS LIKE A PIECE OF STEEL LEFT OUT IN THE RAIN TO ME.

I DON'T GET IT.

AGAIN. LIKE OLD OPEN HOUSE SIGNS.

I'M GOING TO PUT YOU UP FOR THE ARTS COUNCIL, COMMISSIONER SPRINGER.

OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING ON THAT? MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT JUST FOR MAKE SURE HAVE NOT MISINTERPRETED ON THESE TWO SIGNS.

IS THERE A SECOND SIGN BESIDES THE CLOCK GOING ON THE UPPER STORY THAT WE ARE MISSING? THERE IS AN EXHIBIT INCLUDED IN OUR PRESENTATION ON THE EXISTING CLOCK THAT'S ON A POLE.

IS THAT INTENDED TO BE RELOCATED HERE AND IT'S JUST NOT PICKED UP IN OUR REPORT? OH, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE VISIBLE FROM ANYWHERE.

IT'S GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE INSIDE THE BUILDING OR POSSIBLY ON THE ROOF DECK.

IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A SIGN.

BUT I THINK DENNIS MAYBE SAYING THAT YOU NEED SOME KIND OF APPROVAL BASED ON WHERE YOU NEED TO PUT IT.

FOR THE EXISTING SIGN TO BE RELOCATED? IF IT'S IN THE EXTERIOR, THEY MIGHT NEED TO.

YES. IF IT'S EXTERIOR, I WOULD WANT TO BE EXPLICIT ABOUT WHERE THAT'S BEING PLUS--.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT CATCH.

MAYBE WE CAN WE MIGHT JUST NOTE IN THE MOTION THAT THE WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHERE IT'S EXISTING CLOCK SIGNAGE MAY BE LOCATED SO THAT THAT CAN GET WITHIN THIS APPROVAL. IS THAT FAIR? YES. OK.

AND THEN COUNCIL CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT.

OK, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT CATCH BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TWICE, SO I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE JUST SAVED YOU.

SO, OK.

IS IT ALSO NECESSARY TO HAVE THE SIX PANELS AND KNOWING THAT FIRST NATIONAL BANK WILL BE A SINGLE TENANT AND IT'S FOR THE OTHER SITE, IS SIX NECESSARY AND HOW LONG WILL THEY BE EMPTY? I THINK THE IDEA IS TO-- . THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK SIX IS WHAT WAS REQUESTED IN TERMS OF THE S TRACK.

BUT I ALSO DON'T SEE BLANK PANELS, SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THOSE CAN BE INTEGRATED AS THEY GET POPULATED, I GUESS.

SO WHAT WE MAY DO IS DO IT A SERVICE YOU COME A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? SORRY. DO AN INSERT THAT MATCHES THE FIELD COLOR.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE SORT OF-- YOU WOULDN'T NOTICE UNTIL THERE WAS A TENANT.

WHEN IS THE SOUTH TRACK PROPOSED TO BE BUILT? I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN SOLD.

WOULD IT MAKES SENSE TO SIMPLY PUT THE NUMBER, THE STREET ADDRESS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE AND NOT PLACE THE MONUMENT SIGN UNTIL THAT SOUTH TRACK IS DEVELOPED,

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IF THAT'S THE ONLY PURPOSE THAT IT'S GOING TO SERVE? NO, IT ALSO NEEDS SERVE THE BANK.

IT NEEDS TO BE THE BANK IDENTIFIER.

ONCE THEY ARE APPROVED AND THEY ARE GOING TO LOCATE A SIGN OFF THE LOT, REQUIRE A VARIANCE BY FUTURE SIGNBOARD AND COUNCIL WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS SIGN LOCATION FAIRLY FAR AWAY FROM THAT NEXT LOT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU PUT SIGNAGE FOR--.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A SIGN FOR A BUILDING THAT'S NOT EVEN BEEN PLANNED YET AND WE'RE GOING TO LET IT SIT EMPTY FOR HOW LONG.

I MEAN, WE'RE BACK TO THE FOUNTAIN.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SIGN WITH FOUR PANELS ON IT? I MEAN, BUILDING THIS SIZE.

WELL, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE INITIAL DESIGN WOULD BE ALL BLANK PANELED.

IT WOULD ALL LOOK LIKE A SINGLE TENANT SIGN AND THEN AS TENANTS GET AT IT, THEY CAN BE ADDED TO THAT MONUMENT SIGN.

I THINK FOR THE SIZE OF THAT S TRACK, I THINK SIX IS A PRETTY REASONABLE NUMBER IF IT'S A MULTI STORY BUILDING.

SO. YEAH, I JUST, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE IT HELPING.

I MEAN, IT'S A SMALL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING.

I MEAN, IT'S ONLY REALLY ONLY A USER WOULD BUILD IT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING AN INVESTOR WOULD BUILD BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT VERY EFFICIENT.

SO IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT THING CARVED UP MORE THAN SIX WAYS PERIOD.

I CAN MAYBE SEE IT CARVED UP TWICE, AND THE SIGN LOCATIONS PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM THE OTHER TRACK. SO I JUST I'M NOT REALLY AGREEING WITH THAT.

I MEAN, LET'S LET THE COMMISSION THOUGHT FOR A SECOND.

I MEAN, WOULD PEOPLE BE AMENABLE TO FOUR ON THAT OR--? BUT I'M NOT AMENABLE TO ANY OF THEM.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE A FIRST NATIONAL BANK SIGN OR THERE SHOULD BE A RENDERING THAT SHOWS THAT LOOKING JUST LIKE A SINGLE TENANT SIGN.

AND THEN THERE'S A VARIATION FOR DOWN THE ROAD.

I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED TO HAVE FOUR OR SIX PANELS OR ANY PANELS FOR A BUILDING THAT'S NOT EVEN THERE YET. BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I'M WITH COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT.

ROGER THAT.

I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH WHY THERE HAS TO BE A MONUMENT SIGN.

WELL, IT'S BECAUSE FIRST NATIONAL WANTS A MONUMENT SAYING.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE VISIBLE.

YES, I WOULD SAY STAFF.

I MEAN, WE TYPICALLY ALWAYS APPROVED WITH OFFICE BUILDINGS, MONUMENT SIGNS, RIGHT? I MEAN--.

THERE HAS BEEN VARIATIONS OF THAT.

I MEAN, IN PARTICULAR WHERE UPPER STORY SIGNS HAVE BEEN DONE.

AND SO YEAH. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I THINK DIRECTOR BAKER POINTED OUT, SENIOR DIRECTOR BAKER POINTED OUT A GOOD FACT IS THAT FOR THE OTHER TENANT OR THE OTHER BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, STILL HAS NOT GONE THROUGH AN ENTITLEMENT PROCESS, IT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN OFFSITE SIGN FOR THAT PROPERTY TO COME IN PLACE, UH, PANELS AND A SIGN THAT'S NOT LOCATED ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IT'S ALTHOUGH IT MAY HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PARENT TRACT AT ONE POINT, THE MANNER IN WHICH IT HAS DEVELOPED HAS NOT BEEN CONSIDERED A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT WHERE THIS MONUMENT COULD NECESSARILY BE CONSIDERED WHAT WE CALL A DEVELOPMENT MONUMENT, WHICH HAS A SPECIFIC DEFINITION AND APPLICATION AND A SIGN ORDINANCE.

AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF A MONUMENT SIGN IS BEING APPROVED IN ITS CURRENT DESIGN, I THINK MAYBE DOING IT TO WHERE IT DOES LOOK LIKE A SINGLE TENET MONUMENT, BUT IS STRUCTURED SUCH THAT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME THEY COULD COME BACK AND REQUEST APPROVAL FOR WHATEVER PANELS THEY MAY NEED FOR OFFSITE SIGN THAT COULD BE DONE AT A LATER DATE AND MAYBE NOT AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

MY PREFERENCE IS STILL NO MONUMENT SIGN.

IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE ON 114 AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FIRST NATIONAL BANK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE MONUMENT SIGN.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SECOND STORY SIGN.

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[INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER SPRINGERS, CLASSIC COMMENT.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE BANK AND YOU NEED GUIDANCE ON HOW TO GET TO THE BANK AT ELEVEN 13 AT NIGHT, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM.

BUT I SERIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK THAT MONUMENT SIGN THERE IS GOING TO ADD ANYTHING FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT.

IT'S SIMPLY A CONVENIENCE MAYBE.

AND CAN I JUST HAVE STAFF.

I GUESS SO. THERE'S MAYBE I'M JUST GETTING TIRED BUT THERE'S NOT A VARIANCE HERE RELATED TO HAVING A MONUMENT SIGN.

RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE FORMAT OF THE MONUMENT SIGN.

WELL, AND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC WITH THE MONUMENT ITSELF.

BUT NO, TO HAVE THE MONUMENT SIGN IS NOT TECHNICALLY A VARIANCE.

AND REALLY, UNTIL THE CLARIFICATION WAS MADE AS PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION, WE WERE UNAWARE THAT THE PURPOSE OF THOSE WERE TO SERVE AN OFFSITE BUILDING THAT'S NOT EVEN BEEN ENTITLED AS OF YET.

YOU CAN DENY THE VARIANCES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DENY THE SIGN.

WHY NOT? THIS IS A MASTER SIGN.

THIS IS A MASTER.

SO YOU CAN.

OK. WELL, I'M TIRED.

A VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN UPPER STORY SIGN AND SOME ADDITIONAL DEVIATION.

BUT IN DOING SUCH THE MONUMENT SIGN IS PART OF THIS.

SO YOU HAVE LATITUDE.

OK. YEAH.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHENEVER THE OTHER BUILDING COMES IN, THEY'RE GOING TO GO LIKE, WELL NO, WE WANT OUR OWN MONUMENT SIGN.

SO I WILL DEFER TO THE COMMISSION AND WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS THEREOF.

I CAN GET BEHIND THE MONUMENT SIGN.

I MEAN, I THINK FIRST NATIONAL BANK PROBABLY WANTS A MONUMENT SIGN WHETHER OR NOT IT'S VISIBLE OR NOT OR WHATEVER.

AND I MEAN, MAYBE IF YOU'RE NOT ON 114 YEAR, YOU'RE ON THE FRINGE ROAD KIND OF SERVES A PURPOSE. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS SIX EMPTY PANELS FOR HOWEVER LONG.

RIGHT. THROW THE BUILDING NAME OUT, THROW THE TENANT OUT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOREVER AND IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE NOT.

OK. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO HURT BANKS' FEELINGS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT REAL ESTATE.

I'M NOT LOOKING AT BANK, LOOKING AT BUILDING, OK, BUILDING THAT MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE TENANT AT SOME POINT.

HOW DO YOU WANT THE SIGNAGE TO ADDRESS THAT? YOU WANT A SIGN, DO YOU NOT? EITHER I GUESS WE HAVE ONE OR WE DON'T.

I'D BE FINE WITH ONE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE OR AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE DON'T WANT ONE. SO MAYBE WE JUST SAY WE STRIKE IT AND WE GO ON.

GOOD? CAN'T WE JUST GIVE COUNCIL THE OPTION OF EITHER APPROVING THE MONUMENT SIGN OR HAVE THE APPLICANT TAKE THE MONUMENT SIGN AS IS, OR BRING IT WITH OPTIONS TO COVER UP THE PANELS OR THE INSERTS? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A REAL SIMPLE FIX.

I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WE MIGHT AS WELL LET THEM CHOOSE WHATEVER THEY WANT.

I'D BE FINE WITH THAT. DR.

SPRINGER. IT'S LATE, CHOOSE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THEY NEED A MONUMENT SIGN.

I REALLY DON'T. BUT WE'LL LET OUR VICE CHAIRMAN CRAFT A MOTION.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER, I MEAN, LET EVERYBODY VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE.

YEAH. THROW IT OUT THERE.

ARE, WHY PEOPLE VOTED FOR OR AGAINST OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE WE NEED-- YOU GOOD? I GUESS. I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM.

SIGN. BUT I CAN DO OPTIONS.

WE CAN DO A SINGLE TENANT.

WE CAN DO FOUR PANELS THAT ARE COVERED AND THEN SHOW IT EVOLVE AS THE TENANTS GET POPULATED. I THINK IT IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR THE BANK.

AS YOU TRAVEL SOUTH ON THE FEEDER OF 114, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THEIR MAIN SIGN AND IT IS ONLY A SINGLE SIGN.

THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SO AS YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTH, I THINK IT'S A CRITICAL ELEMENT.

I THINK THE MONUMENT SIGN IS REQUIRED.

AND IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE BANK WAS, YOU WOULD SEE THAT MONUMENT SIGN AND YOU CAN TURN IN THAT S DRIVEWAY AS YOU PASS.

YOU'VE ALREADY MISSED THE NORTH DRIVEWAY, MOST LIKELY.

BUT THAT THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE MONUMENT SIGN.

IT HAS A PURPOSE. YOU CANNOT SEE THEIR MAIN SIGN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BUILDING IS ANGLED FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

OK, SO YEAH.

NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT'S KIND OF AN ANGLE VERSUS A NORTH FACE.

RIGHT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE VICE CHAIRMAN MAY CRAFT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE

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ABLE TO SHOW SOME OPTIONS TO THE COUNCIL WILL BE WILLING TO CONSIDER.

THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS YOUR HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT IS MAYBE BETTER BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU NEED THOSE POTENTIAL SPOTS IN TERMS OF IS THAT THE GOAL, MAYBE MULTI TENANT THE BUILDING ONE DAY OR NOT? AND IF SO, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE SIX TENANTS IN THERE AND OR IS IT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER SITE? AND IF SO, WHAT'S THE STORY THERE AND WHY? SO I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR EXPLANATION AS TO THE NEED AND ANY RELATION TO THE ADJACENT SITE. SOUND GOOD? YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OK, NO THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT AND WAITING TILL 11:18 P.M..

SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION HERE AND WE'LL ALL VOTE.

AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE.

WILL IT CONTAIN EXPLETIVES? SO YOU CAN'T SEE ME YAWNING? YES. OK, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, SV TWO ZERO DASH ZERO ZERO ONE FOUR, SIGN VARIANCE FOR FIRST NATIONAL BANK, SUBJECT TO STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 2ND TWENTY TWENTY.

AND SPECIFICALLY NOTING WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES THAT THE UPPER STORY VARIANCE IS APPROVED AS REQUESTED.

THE UPPER STORY CLOCK VARIANCE IS APPROVED AS REQUESTED.

HOWEVER, ALSO NOTING THAT THE SPECIFICS ON THE EXISTING CLOCK SIGNAGE NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION.

AND THAT'S THE EXISTING CLOCK.

NOT THIS UPPER STORY CLOCK THAT'S REFERENCED.

CORRECT. YEP.

WITH REGARD TO THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS APPROVING SIGNS NUMBER ONE AND THREE, AND REMOVING SIGN NUMBER TWO, DENYING THE REQUEST FOR THREE AND A HALF FOOT HEIGHT AND REQUIRING THE THREE FOOT HEIGHT, DENYING THE REQUEST FOR A SIX SQUARE FOOT PER SIGN FACE AND REQUIRING THE FOUR FOOT SQUARE FOOT PER SIGN FACE AND NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS AND REQUESTING THE APPLICANT TO BRING FORWARD A MASONRY ALTERNATIVE, A PLATE ALTERNATIVE LIKE A WESTIN, AND APPROVING THE DRIVE THROUGH SIGNS BUT LIMITING THE HEIGHT TO SIX INCHES MAX, AND DENYING THE EIGHT INCHES.

AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE MONUMENT SIGN, NOTING THE COMMISSION'S SKEPTICISM OF A REQUIREMENT FOR A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT ALSO NOTING THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS OPTIONS WITH COUNCIL WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF PANELS EITHER BEING FOUR OR SIX AND THE NUMBER OR I GUESS THE REQUIREMENT FOR INSERT.

WHILE WAITING ON TENANTS ON THE SOUTH TRACK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE OR NOT, BUT IT'S LATE.

I SEE STAFF IS NODDING YOUR HEAD YES.

IT WAS GOOD, I'LL SECOND THAT.

OK. AND WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO A VOICE VOTE.

GOOD MOTION BY THE WAY. THERE WAS A LOT TO SAY THERE.

SO COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] SUPPORTIVE.

MR. ROTHMEIER SUPPORTIVE.

VICE CHAIRMAN.

AYE. SUPPORTIVE.

I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE.

WOW, SUPPORTIVE.

DR. SPRINGER. COMMISSIONER PHALEN.

AYE.

PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

IT TOOK A LOT OF WORK TO GET THERE.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK. I THINK YOU KNOW YOUR HOMEWORK IN TERMS OF LOTS OF OPTIONS.

AND I WANT TO SAY GOODBYE TO MISS SELINA.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

THANK YOU. YOU'VE REALLY BEEN GIVEN QUITE A GOING AWAY PARTY HERE THIS EVENING.

AND WELCOME TO LYDIA.

I PROMISE THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE LIKE THIS.

I WILL MAKE SURE OF THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND DILIGENCE.

WORKING TILL ABOUT ELEVEN THIRTY TONIGHT.

SO WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.