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GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THIS EVENING, CITY OF SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
[1. Call to Order.]
MEETING. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK AND CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION AND WELCOME YOU TO THE OCTOBER 22ND MEETING.WE DON'T HAVE THE NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SKIP OVER THAT ITEM IN OUR AGENDA.
IN TERMS OF JUST SOME QUICK COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU NOTICE, WE ARE HERE IN PERSON,
[4. Chairman Comments.]
WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY PREFERS.WE ARE SPACED OUT HERE ON THE DAIS AND DOWN WITH STAFF, AND WE'VE TRIED TO FACILITATE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN SPACE OUT AS WELL OR WEAR MASKS AND, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO FEEL COMFORTABLE.
WE'VE GOT WHATEVER THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION IS THIS EVENING.
WE'VE GOT A MICROPHONE STANDING RIGHT UP HERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT DISTANT FROM EVERYTHING. I'LL CALL YOU UP IN TERMS OF YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND GET YOUR THREE MINUTES WORTH.
SO WE TRY TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN HOLD THESE MEETINGS IN PERSON, BUT YET DO IT IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
THE SECOND THING ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, JUST LOOKING AT THE ITEMS I THINK WE WILL WE WANTED TO DO WAS UNFORTUNATELY FOR MR. [INAUDIBLE], IS MOVE HIS CASE TO THE TO THE VERY END OF THE AGENDA JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO SPEND ON THAT ONE.
THE OTHER ITEMS, WE'LL JUST TAKE THEM IN ORDER.
SO WE'LL GO ITEMS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, NINE, TEN AND EIGHT.
SO THAT'LL BE THE ORDERING THAT WILL GO IN FOR THIS EVENING.
SO THAT, I THINK, EXHAUSTS ANY OF MY CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS.
STAFF. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS OR COMMENTS THAT THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? NO, MR. CHAIRMAN. OK, WELL, WE CAN KEEP IT SIMPLE WITH THAT.
[CONSENT AGENDA:]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER EIGHT, WE'VE ALL BEEN SUPPLIED A COPY OF THOSE MEETINGS AND A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
AND I MIGHT ADD, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE PLAT SHOWING FOR ITEM SIX IS ALSO ON THE CONSENT.
YOU MAY CONSIDER BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS WITH ONE ACTION JUST NOTING THAT ITEM SIX BEING APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT AND THE DATE.
TO OUR MOTION MAKER THIS EVENING.
I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A MOTION HERE IN A MOMENT.
FOR ITEMS, BOTH FIVE AND SIX ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, BECAUSE NEITHER OF THOSE REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT, DENNIS, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR COMMENT, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND JUST SHOW THE I KNOW WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS IN OUR WORK SESSION.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND SHOW THIS UP ON THE SCREEN AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS ONE.
DENNIS, ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? NO, MR. CHAIRMAN, OTHER THAN JUST STATING THAT IT IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 16TH AND STAFF REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO, DATED OCTOBER 16TH.
OK, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE CAPTURED IN OUR MOTION HERE IN A MOMENT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE.
I KNOW THIS IS ONE THAT WE WE WORKED ON.
REMEMBER, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING ONE OF OUR ZOOM MEETINGS THAT WE HAD PROBABLY BACK IN JUNE, MAY, WHENEVER IT WAS.
AND I KNOW WE WORKED ON THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE FENCING SET BACKS AND FENCING MATERIALS AND JUST APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON ALL THAT. AND I THINK WE ENDED UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WORKS WELL FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL ASK THE QUESTION ONE LAST TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MEETING MINUTES OR ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GIVE IT A SHOT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND SPECIFICALLY ITEM NUMBER FIVE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2020. AND ITEM SIX CASE ZA- 20-0053.
A PLAT SHOWING FOR LOTS 59 THROUGH 62 OF THE F [INAUDIBLE] NUMBER 15 11 EDITION, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 16TH 2020 AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE PLAT REVIEW SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 16TH 2020. I HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OK, GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.
AND APPEARS TO PASS FIVE ZERO, SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, AND GOOD LUCK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.
OK, NOW WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A PLAT
[7. Consider: ZA20-0050, Plat Revision for Lot 2R1, R. P. Estes Subdivision]
REVISION FOR A LOT 2R1 IN THE ESTES SUBDIVISION.AND I KNOW DENNIS SINCE WE REVIEWED THIS IN OUR WORK SESSION I GUESS YOU CAN JUST KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND MAYBE JUST.
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YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY MAYBE THE PURPOSE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAT IS TO SET THE BOUNDARIES AND LEGALLY PLAT IT AS A LOT OF RECORD IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.THE ISSUE, NEEDING THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING RELIEF ON WOULD BE FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET. THAT CRAWFORD COURT, AS I MENTIONED, IN WORK SESSION AS A PRIVATE INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT.
AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT IT BE APPROVED AND MAINTAINED A MINIMUM FIRE STANDARDS BASED ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS.
OK, SO I GUESS, PER THE COMMENTS THAT WE REVIEWED IN THE WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS ONE MAY HAVE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH IN TERMS OF TOWARDS A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO REVIEW THIS EVENING IS A PLAT REVISION AND THE ASSOCIATED VARIANCE REQUEST IS DIRECTLY WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
OK. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE FOR CITY STAFF? I GUESS IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ITEM COULD COME FORWARD IF YOU WANT THE MICROPHONES RIGHT OVER HERE, WE KIND OF FOOLED YOU.
AND GO AHEAD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THANKS. MY NAME IS DAVID MCDEVITT.
I'M AN ATTORNEY FOR DANIEL HERNANDEZ.
OK, I'M GOING TO BE REPRESENTING HIM AT THE HEARING TODAY.
MY ADDRESS IS 3800 LANDSDOWN DRIVE, MCKINNEY, TEXAS, 75072.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THERE'S NO FORMAL PRESENTATION REQUIRED OR ANYTHING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU JUST HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR WHAT.
SURE. SO MR. HERNANDEZ WOULD LIKE TO BE BROUGHT IN AS A LOT OF RECORD INTO THE CITY.
THE VARIANCE, WE THINK, IS REASONABLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
CRAWFORD COURT IS NAMED AFTER THE CRAWFORD FAMILY.
THERE ARE TWO FAMILY MEMBERS THAT LIVE THERE AND HAVE LIVED THERE FOR SEVERAL DECADES.
THE ONE OF THE LOTS IN THIS SECTION OF LAND, THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, HAS RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED AND BROUGHT IN TO RECORD.
IN THAT APPLICANT STATED THAT HE WOULD BE BUILDING A ROAD, A SURFACE ROAD UP TO MR. CRAWFORD'S LOT. MR. CRAWFORD IS OF ADVANCED AGE PROBABLY DOES NOT WANT A LOT BEING BUILT OR A ROAD BEING BUILT OVER HIS PROPERTY SO THAT MR. HERNANDEZ COULD GET A ROAD IN FRONT OF HIS.
IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THE REQUIREMENT WITH RESPECT TO EASEMENTS AND SETBACKS WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF LAND IN WHICH HE COULD BUILD AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, HE'S ALREADY IMPROVED IT, I WOULD SAY IMPROVED BY REMOVING THE PROPERTY THAT OR THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS ON THERE BEFORE.
IT'S GOING TO LOOK MUCH NICER AS A RESULT OF THE INVESTMENT HE'S MAKING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE VARIANCE BE GRANTED.
OK, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOOD.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO THE CITY I MEAN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SAID THAT AS LONG AS THE ROAD IS MAINTAINED, THEY'LL CARRY THEIR EQUIPMENT.
SO DO YOU IS WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR HAVING A TURNAROUND FOR THEM AT THE END OF THE STREET? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT'S PART OF THE THE REPORT FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SIGNED OFF ON THE ROAD BACK THERE ALREADY.
MR. HERNANDEZ IS INTENDING TO PUT A SPRINKLER PROTECTION SYSTEM IN THE HOME THAT IS BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. OK, SO HAS ANYTHING BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT AS FAR AS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A NARROW STREET ABOUT LIKE DURING HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET, BLOCKING THE STREET THAT COULD CAUSE ISSUES? I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL? I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE ARE HOMES THERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEY'RE SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP TO SOME SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, STANDARD.
YEAH. SO MR. HERNANDEZ, HIS INTENT IS TO PUT SPRINKLER PROTECTION IN HIS PROPERTY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE EITHER A CONDITION OF OBTAINING THE PERMIT OR ONCE HE IS BROUGHT IN AS A LOT OF RECORD WITH RESPECT TO THE TURNING RADIUS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED THE AREA THERE.
I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY. IT SEEMS THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AMBULANCE TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
AND MR. CRAWFORD BEING IN ADVANCED AGE, I'M SURE THAT HE WOULD APPRECIATE THE AMBULANCES BEING ABLE TO GET TO HIS HOUSE IF THE CASE WOULD COME UP THAT HE NEEDED IT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS WHOLE PLAN AS IT
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GOES, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS LOT IS DEEPER INTO THE PROPERTY.YES, SIR. I SPOKE WITH MR. CRAWFORD YESTERDAY. I DON'T THINK HE'S I DON'T THINK HE WANTS ANYTHING BEING ADDRESSED AT HIS PROPERTY. BUT I THINK THAT IS A LEGITIMATE CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THE BOARD THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THESE LOTS ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE. THESE ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND TO GRANT THE VARIANCE WOULD ALLOW THAT PART OF THE CITY TO BE IMPROVED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE MADE IN THAT AREA.
WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO IS ACROSS FROM MR. HERNANDEZ HERE, AND HE GENERALLY SUPPORTS THE THE PARCELING OF THIS LOT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH MR. HERNANDEZ'S SURVEYING COMPANY TO MAKE SURE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED ON THE DEED. OK, NOTING YOUR CONCERNS FOR THE RECORD.
OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WHILE WE HAVE HIM HERE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
THANK YOU. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU, BUT APPRECIATE IT.
THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO ONE STAND UP.
I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM OTHER THAN THE CONCERNS DULY NOTED BY DR.
SPRINGER HERE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD AND I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE ESTEEMED COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN CASE ZA 20-00050 PLAT REVISION FOR A LOT 2R1, THE RPF SUBDIVISION SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 15, 2020.
I'M SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG ONE.
SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 16TH 2020 IN THE PLAT REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 16TH 2020 AND GRANTING THE VARIANCE REQUESTED WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THE APPLICANT'S INTENT TO PROVIDE SPRINKLER COVERAGE FOR THE HOME AND ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
CONGRATULATIONS. [INAUDIBLE] GET THE NEXT STEP.
WHICH CITY STAFF IS REMINDING ME NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE ONE FOR THE ELECTION NIGHT EVENING ON THE 3RD HAS BEEN PROBABLY WISELY CANCELED.
SO WITH THAT, GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE EVENING, WE'RE GOING TO SKIP ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FOR NOW AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA.
[9. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-774, (ZA20-0045), Zoning Change and Concept Plan for Lots 25 and 26, O.W. Knight No. 899 Addition]
AND THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT PLAN FOR LOTS 25 AND 26 IN THE 899 ADDITION OFF OF BREEZE WAY.SORRY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AT 1000 BREEZE WAY.
IT IS A PROPOSAL FOR TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS CHANGING ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO S.F. 20, A LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AS I MENTIONED, THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL.
20 A, THIS IS EXHIBIT OF THE PATHWAY PLAN, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EIGHT FOOT MULTIPHASE TRIAL WITH THE NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS AN AERIAL EXHIBIT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND A PHOTO VIEW FROM BREEZE WAY OF THE PROPERTY.
ANOTHER VIEW, THIS LOOKING IN A SOUTHERN DIRECTION AT THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
THE MINIMUM SETBACKS FOR THIS DISTRICT IS 35 FEET ON THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, 15
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FOOT ON THE SIDE YARDS AND 40 FEET ON THE REAR YARDS, THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED BUILDING HEIGHT. AND THIS DISTRICT IS 35 FEET, WHICH A PITCHED ROOF IS MEASURED TO THE AVERAGE HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST GABLE OR HIP OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE.THIS IS THE TREE CONSERVATION PLAN, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS APPROXIMATELY SEVENTY SEVEN PERCENT COVERAGE, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM MINIMUM OF 40 PERCENT OF THAT TREE COVER BE PRESERVED AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOT.
AND THEIR CONSERVATION PLAN SHOWS APPROXIMATELY 63 PERCENT TO BE PRESERVED, WHICH IS COMPLIANT WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THE DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE EXTENSION OF PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT CONTINENTAL AND WOULD BE EXTENDED ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF BREEZE WAY TO SERVE THE LOTS.
AND EXHIBIT OF THE DRAINAGE PLAN.
BOUNDARY SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I GUESS DID I READ IT RIGHT, THAT WHAT'S REQUIRED TO BE CONSTRUCTED, AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK IS THAT.
YES, OK, SO THAT'S PART OF THIS APPROVAL WAS AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.
YES. THE TIME OF WHICH IT WOULD BE BUILT WOULD BE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS PRIOR TO THEIR FINAL INSPECTION THAT WOULD BE NEED TO BE COMPLETE.
OK, BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE IF I SAW THAT ON THE MATERIALS, BUT MAYBE I WASN'T LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ITEM.
BUT THAT IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT.
YOU SAID THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENT ON THAT.
YES. OK, MINIMUM PRESERVATION IS 40 PERCENT FOR THE AMOUNT OF COVERAGE THEY HAVE AND THEY'RE SHOWING APPROXIMATELY 63 PERCENT TO BE PRESERVED.
AND THEN THE SETBACKS YOU DESCRIBE, THERE'S NO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED ON ANY OF THOSE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I'M GOING TO PROBABLY TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT FENCING IN THE DRIVEWAYS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I GUESS, OF STAFF.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE? DR. SPRINGER.
WANTED TO ASK, IS THE CITY GOING TO EXTEND THE SEWER OR IS IT GOING TO BE AT THE PROPERTY OWNERS. DEVELOPER WILL EXTEND THE SEWER AT THEIR EXPENSE.
YES. THAT INCLUDES THE WATER LINE AS WELL.
BELIEVE WATER IS PRESENT, BUT.
IF IT NEEDS IT, IT WILL BE AT THEIR EXPENSE AS WELL.
IF THERE IS ANY MODIFICATION NEEDED.
OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OK, THANK YOU, AS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ONE, DO YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE MICROPHONE, I THINK YOU SAW LAST TIME TO PROCESS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
THAT'S LOUD. OH, HOT MIKE THERE.
504 PRESTON COURT SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS.
OK, THANK YOU. SO JUST MAYBE CONFIRMED, BUT YOU DO UNDERSTAND, I GUESS THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK REQUIRED, OK.
WANTED TO AVOID ANY MISCOMMUNICATION AND THEN ON FENCING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE STARTING ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND I THINK YOU SAW IT ON THE PLAT WE APPROVED EARLIER TONIGHT, I GUESS.
WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO AGREEING TO MAYBE A COUPLE OF THINGS? ONE, KIND OF PUSHING IT A LITTLE BIT OFF THE ROAD? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK OR JUST SOMETHING WHERE IT'S NOT LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE ROAD. AND THEN THE SECOND THING, HAVING IT BE CONSIST OF WROUGHT IRON VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BRICK WALL OR.
KIND OF A TEN FOOT SETBACK BACK OFF OFF OF I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF IF IT'S THE PROPERTY LINE OR SETBACK FOR FENCING I GUESS.
SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY SET IT BACK FROM.
ANY SETBACK WOULD BE BASED ON THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS COMMON TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF
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WAY LINE. OK, AT LEAST TEN FOOT OFF AND THEN HAVE IT BE ON.AND I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE LOT WROUGHT IRON.
SURE AND THEN CONTINUING THE FENCE DISCUSSION.
WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU PLAN ON DOING WITH THE FENCE? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH, WEST AND I GUESS NORTHERN BOUNDARIES OF IT.
WE WERE PLANNING ON EIGHT FEET ACROSS THE BACK AND EIGHT FEET DOWN.
THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY THERE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY.
YEAH, WE WERE PLANNING ON WROUGHT IRON WITH MASONRY COLUMNS ALONG THE FRONT.
AND THE EIGHT FOOT, I GUESS THE EIGHT FOOT ON THE NORTH, WEST AND SOUTH, THAT WOULD BE BOARD ON BOARD. EIGHT FOOT.
YEAH. OK. AND IF YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS YET BECAUSE I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT HAVE EITHER REGISTERED TO SPEAK AND OR HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU'VE TALKED WITH THEM.
I HAVE NOT. BUT OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSIONS.
OK, THAT WAS ONE THING I WAS ALSO GOING TO REQUEST OUT OF THIS IS THAT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, I GUESS, JUST AFTER THIS MEETING, JUST PARTICULARLY, I MEAN, TO DISCUSS ANY CONCERNS, BUT INCLUDING FENCE STYLE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD.
BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST TALK WITH THEM IN TERMS OF JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THEIR IMPACT AS WELL.
AND THEN LAST THING ON DRIVEWAY ORIENTATION, AND I THINK YOU SAW IT AGAIN ON THE OTHER PLAT YOU KNOW, IT GOT THE SITUATION NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HEAD FIRST INTO THE INTERNET DELIVERY WORLD, WHERE DELIVERY TRUCKS FOR HOMES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT OR NOT, OR STOPPING ON THE MAIN STREET.
SO WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT A DRIVEWAY THAT COULD KIND OF ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST A FULL CAR LENGTH STACK BEFORE YOU GET TO ANY KIND OF FENCE OR GATE OR, YOU KNOW. SURE.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE FOUND IT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT SPACING IS NOT THERE LEADS TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION ISSUES.
I'M ASSUMING I'M KEEPING MR ROTHMEIER BUSY DOWN THERE.
HOPEFULLY THOSE WERE ALL I GUESS MY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR NOW.
ANYONE. OK, WE MAY, WE MAY NEED YOU BACK.
WE'RE GOING TO INVITE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK AND THEN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. BUT BUT WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.
TO THAT END, ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON ITEM NINE.
THEY CAN WALK OVER AND JOIN US AT THE MICROPHONE THERE AND STATE THEIR THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, TYPICALLY, WE KEEP THIS TO AROUND THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
BUT GIVEN I DON'T SEE IT OVER CLOG GALLERY THIS EVENING, UNLIKE OUR LAST MEETING.
WE'LL TAKE YOU ON THE HONOR SYSTEM HERE, SIR.
AND YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 1200 SARAH PARK TRAIL IN SOUTHLAKE SINCE APPROXIMATELY 2001.
MY FAMILY OWNED AND OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY AT THAT LOCATION.
WE SHARE A 200 FOOT BORDER WITH THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.
AND MY COMMENTS ARE ALSO IN KEEPING WITH THE VIEWS OF MY NEIGHBOR THAT'S ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY IN OPPOSING THE CONCEPT PLAN PROPOSED TODAY, I SHOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY LEGACY OF HIS PROPERTY.
1000 BREEZE WAY IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OPTING OUT.
THE RECORDS WILL SHOW IT WAS CARVED OUT OF A 57 ACRE TRACT ORIGINALLY PURCHASED FROM THE LEGACY LANDOWNER STEVE RYAN IN 1996, WHEN THE MOBILE LAND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BEGAN DEVELOPING THE [INAUDIBLE] NEIGHBORHOODS.
ONE ACRE LOT WAS PURCHASED ROUGHLY THE SAME TIME AS WEST [INAUDIBLE] WAS DEVELOPING THE NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT IT WAS KEPT OUT OF THE RPUD DEVELOPMENT THAT SURROUNDS IT, KEEPING ITS AGRICULTURAL DESIGNATION AND ZONING.
SINCE THEN, IT HAS ACCOMMODATED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH NO AGRICULTURAL OR COMMERCIAL FUNCTION WHATSOEVER.
THIS CARVEOUT WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY A PROPERTY OWNER WHO BRIEFLY SAT ON THIS COMMISSION UNDER JOHN TERRELL IN 2001 AND 2002.
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HIS FAMILY OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY FROM 1996 THROUGH 2018 AND HAVE CERTAINLY REAPED THE BENEFITS OF OUR QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROTECTED STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET, AND THE AESTHETIC THAT COMES FROM THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND GENEROUS SETBACKS.ALL OF THIS COMES AT A COST, OF COURSE, FOR THE 17 YEAR PERIOD BETWEEN 2001 AND 2018, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO MR. PARRA AND FINALLY ASSESSED AT MARKET VALUE.
THE CUMULATIVE PROPERTY TAXES PAID WERE JUST OVER 70000 DOLLARS.
COMPARE THIS TO THE TWO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, EACH OF US HAVING PAID APPROXIMATELY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THESE ARE SMALLER LOTS AND EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION.
IN 2001, WHEN OLD CAROL ROAD WAS REROUTED TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC CREATED BY THE CONSTRUCTION OF OLD UNION ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS TO THE EAST.
THERE WAS A 4100 SQUARE FOOT DEDICATION THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT ALONG WHAT IS CURRENTLY BREEZE WAY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW LOCATION OF THE ROADWAY.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE CENTERLINE OF THIS BUSY ROAD IS ONLY 35 FEET FROM THE NEW PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S NO UTILITY EASEMENT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
NO SHOULDER, NO SIDEWALK, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE A SIDEWALK THERE, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY NONE SHOWN ON ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO ANY UTILITIES WOULD HAVE TO BE ROUTED ACROSS THE STREET, I PRESUME, AND AROUND THIS FRONTAGE BECAUSE THERE IS NO UTILITY EASEMENT, THE FRONT DOOR WOULD BE ROUGHLY THIRTY FIVE TO THIRTY EIGHT FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT, WHICH HAS A HEAVY TRAFFIC FLOW.
WHICH IS ONLY 200 FEET FROM A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION THAT BACKS UP EVERY MORNING AND AFTERNOON WITH UNION PARENTS.
AS PROPOSED, THE ROUGHLY 50 PERCENT OF THE LOT AREA WILL BE PAVED AND MORE THAN HALF, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, MORE THAN HALF OF THE OLD GROWTH VEGETATION WILL BE REMOVED.
THE DRAINAGE PLAN, IN MY VIEW, DOES NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE RUNOFF THAT WILL LAND ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
WITH A GOOD PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY CONSISTING NOW OF A 25 YEAR OLD SEPTIC LEACH FIELD, AND THE RUNOFF PATTERN SHOULD BE GIVEN CAREFUL CONSIDERATION.
HAVING PARTICIPATED IN OUR [INAUDIBLE] HOA AND SERVED ON SEVERAL OF ITS COMMITTEES, I CAN TELL YOU THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIALLY MORE SCRUTINY TO ACHIEVE THE ESTHETIC THAT WE ENJOY ATTRACTS FAMILIES AND PRESERVES PROPERTY VALUES.
WE CAREFULLY REVIEW ELEVATIONS AND SETBACKS TO AVOID THE CROWDED ELBOW TO ELBOW CONDITIONS THAT MAY OTHERWISE ARISE.
I THINK THIS COMMISSION WOULD AGREE THAT HOA GROUPS IN OUR STATE PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE AND IN MANY WAYS HELPED EASE THE BURDEN ON CITY GOVERNMENTS WHEN AN IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY LIKE THIS THAT.
THROUGH HISTORY HAS BEEN CARVED OUT OF THE SURROUNDING HOA.
WE COUNT ON OUR CITY OFFICIALS TO RETURN THE FAVOR AND HELP US ACHIEVE THE MISSION OF A SAFE, FAMILY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AN ATTRACTIVE, UNCROWDED AESTHETIC, 1000 BREEZE WAY IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF SPOT ZONING THAT SHOULD BE RECTIFIED.
WE SUPPORT THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO SF 20A, BUT OPPOSE THE SUBDIVISION INTO TWO LOTS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST READ INTO THE RECORD, BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A QUARANTINE ISSUE POTENTIALLY AS TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT, I THINK IT'S THE YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO SLAUGHTER THE NAMES, ALWAYS DO [INAUDIBLE], [INAUDIBLE], THE FAMILY THAT I BELIEVE THEIR HOUSE IS TO THE SOUTH, 1201 SARAH PARK TRAIL
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DID SEND IN A NOTICE THAT THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THE CASE THIS EVENING.SO I JUST READ THAT INTO THE RECORD, SEEING NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS ANY, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THERE IN TERMS OF CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD? AND AND AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES IN THESE CASES WHEN THERE HASN'T BEEN COMMUNICATION PRIOR TO THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE RUN INTO THESE SITUATIONS. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A KEY HERE.
BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU MAYBE RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT WERE NOTED? YEAH.
WITHOUT GOING IN ADDRESSING EVERY ONE OF.
GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE, SORRY. OR WITHOUT ADDRESSING EVERY EVERY CONCERN.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE FENCING STACKING ISSUES.
WE'RE REQUESTING THE SAME ZONING OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WERE IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WE'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH ANY OF THE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THERE.
OK, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING WHAT WE'VE HEARD THIS EVENING.
YOU STATED YOU DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS TONIGHT.
AND I GUESS YOU'RE WAITING UNTIL YOU HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE YOU HAVE A POSITION ON THOSE OR NOT.
WELL, HE HAD TWO PAGE OF YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS EVERY ISSUE RIGHT NOW OR I'M NOT TAKING I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIRMAN.
I WAS JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION, CONFIRMATION? YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
AND I JUST JUST AGAIN TO NOTE MAYBE FOR THE MOTION AS WELL.
SO YOU'VE GOT A WILLINGNESS TO SIT DOWN AND MEET WITH ALL THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, DISCUSS THE FENCING MATERIAL.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE AMENABLE ON THE YOU KNOW, AS YOU TALKED ABOUT ON THE FRONT OF THE LOT WROUGHT IRON, 10 FOOT STEP BACK, DRIVEWAY STACKING.
YOU'RE AWARE OF THE SIDEWALK AND YOU'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO DISCUSS THAT.
WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? YES, JUST A CLARIFICATION, REALLY.
THE NORTH DRIVEWAY, IS THAT THE SAME SPOT WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS TODAY? RELATIVELY, YES.
OK. AND I GUESS MAYBE ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE NEIGHBOR MADE, I GUESS THERE WILL BE ROOM WITHIN THIS SITE PLAN TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN, I GUESS, BECAUSE I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SHOWN ON HERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS CONFUSING TO ME.
YEAH. THAT CAME UP ACTUALLY LAST WEEK.
WE WEREN'T AWARE OF IT UNTIL LATER IN THE PROCESS.
WE WERE CONTACTED AND ASKED IF WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND WE SAID YES, BUT IT WAS AFTER ALL, THIS WAS ALREADY DONE.
OK, WELL, AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES.
BUT HAVING YOU KNOW, WHAT SOUNDS LIKE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION, THAT COULD TRIGGER SOME, YOU KNOW, HIGHER CRITERIA IN TERMS OF A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THE CONCERNS THAT THE TWO PAGES AND AS WE ALL ARE, HOPEFULLY I'LL KNOW THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED. SO IN CASE YOU DIDN'T CATCH THEM ALL, YOU CAN GO HOME TONIGHT AND RE WATCH ALL THIS. YEAH. WHAT'S THE TYPICAL PROCESS FOR MEETING WITH THOSE FOLKS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO DO? I MEET WITH THEM OR.
AS SOON AS THIS CASE IS OVER WITH, I MEAN, TYPICALLY EVERYBODY KIND OF FOYER AND JUST EXCHANGE INFORMATION AND I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE OK ABILITY.
SO I THINK AND OR THEY'LL KIND OF REACH OUT TO CITY STAFF AND CITY STAFF AND KIND OF HELP CONNECT EVERYBODY AS WELL.
YEAH, SURE. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
YEAH, DEFINITELY CONNECT WITH STAFF AND STAFF CAN LET YOU KNOW WHO'S REACHED OUT IF THERE ARE OTHERS AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
BUT YOU CERTAINLY KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE.
OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I WANTED TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE EXISTING IS THAT A WOOD FENCE THAT'S THERE NOW EXISTING NO.
IT IS. AND THEN THE PROPERTY THAT'S DIRECTLY THAT I GUESS I'D BE WEST IS THERE A FENCE.
IT'S HARD TO TELL WITH THE TREE LINE.
ON THE. YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT HAS THE POOL IN THE BACK IN THE BACK YARD, THE NEIGHBOR.
NO IT'S NOT WOOD THAT'S WROUGHT IRON.
OK, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT YOUR YOU ARE PROPOSING POTENTIALLY WOOD.
I MEAN I GUESS OBVIOUSLY PENDING CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS.
SO HOW IS THE VIEW THROUGH THERE IS THAT IS THEIR POOL AREA AND ALL PRETTY MUCH OBSCURED NOW, OR IS IT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL FROM THE AERIAL IN THE PHOTO.
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YEAH, THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME VEGETATION, SOME GROWTH BACK THERE, BUT IT IS SOMEWHAT VISIBLE THROUGH THERE NOW.BUT YOU'RE PLANNING ON A WOOD FENCE, SO THAT'LL SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PRIVACY ISSUES.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DRAINAGE OR THEIR DRAINAGE CONCERNS.
WHAT'S THE TOPOGRAPHY LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO ABOUT DRAINAGE? THINK WE HAVE A DRAINAGE PLAN THERE FOR IT.
SO EVERYTHING'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE PROPERTY AND OUT TO THE PUBLIC AREA.
THERE'S NO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE THERE, NOTHING DRAINING ONTO THE PROPERTY OF THE WEST OR THE PROPERTY THAT'S SOUTH THERE.
ALL THESE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLANS WILL BE REVIEWED BY STAFF.
YES, PRELIMINARY THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR ENGINEERING STAFF.
AND I THINK WHAT PREVIOUS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS I INITIALLY HAD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO THIS POINT. BUT WITH BUILDING PERMIT AS WELL PLANS THEY WOULD SUBMIT FOR EACH OF THESE LOTS WOULD BE COMPARED TO THIS AND ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE AS WE REVIEW THAT PLAN. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU BET.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER KIND OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DELIBERATIONS PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE ON THIS ONE? SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, I BELIEVE WE COVERED MOST OF THE KEY ITEMS OF INTEREST THERE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING WILLING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE EIGHT FOOT TRAIL AND MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THAT'S THE MAIN THING THERE TO IRON OUT ANY LITTLE DIFFICULTIES WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY GOING INTO IT IF EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAIS OVER HERE, ANYTHING? WELL, I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT SAID, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR MASTER PLAN SAYS IT SHOULD BE.
AND I JUST I FEEL LIKE ONCE YOU PUT THOSE SIDEWALKS ON THERE AND YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO REALLY BIG SLABS, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A REALLY NARROW LITTLE STREET.
AND SO I'M STRUGGLING, BUT I'M.
YEAH, WELL, I KNOW YOU SUMMARIZE MY THOUGHTS, WHICH ARE YOU KNOW, I IDEALLY I THINK IT'S KIND OF NICE THE WAY IT IS, BUT IT IS FALLS UNDER THE LAND USE OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY, WHICH ALLOWS THE STRAIGHT ZONING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT LATITUDE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, BUT BUT YEAH, I'D CERTAINLY PROBABLY PREFER IT NOT BE THAT WAY.
BUT THEN THERE'S THE LAND USE PLAN.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'M AFRAID I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL GET IN TROUBLE BY STAFF, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES.
AND THEN, AS I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS VOTE GOES, HAS THE OPTION TO POTENTIALLY TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S ON NOVEMBER 17TH, TUESDAY.
SO IT GUESS A LITTLE OVER A MONTH FROM NOW, AROUND A MONTH FROM NOW.
SO WE'LL SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES AND GO FROM THERE.
COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER YOU MIND DOING THE HONORS.
BE HAPPY TO DO SO MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER ZA 20-0045 A ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT PLAN FOR LOTS 25 AND 26.
O.W. NIGHT NUMBER 899 ADDITION SUBJECT.
I'LL GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME TO THE STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 16 2020 IN THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW, SUMMARY NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2020, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT ACKNOWLEDGING THE NEED FOR AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK AS REQUIRED BY THE PATHWAYS PLAN AND ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO REFLECT THAT SIDEWALK ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THE WILLINGNESS OF THE APPLICANT TO PUSH THE FENCE BACK FROM THE ROAD, A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, ACKNOWLEDGING A WILLINGNESS TO UTILIZE A WROUGHT IRON FENCING WITH AN EIGHT FOOT FENCING ACROSS THE BACK TO BE WOOD FENCING AND EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY NEXT TO THE CHURCH AND MASONRY COLUMNS ALONG
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THE FRONT WITH THE WROUGHT IRON, THE AGREEMENT OF THE APPLICANT TO CREATE A DRIVEWAY THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE STACKING FOR DELIVERY AND OTHER VEHICLES THAT WOULD COME AND ENCOURAGING DIALOG WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO DISCUSS ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE PRIOR TO TAKING THE CASE TO CITY COUNCIL.WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND. OK, GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.
MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND AGAIN.
THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS NOVEMBER 17TH, TUESDAY.
AN APPLICANT, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I GUESS YOU KNOW TO THE NEIGHBORS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME TALK TO CITY STAFF AS WELL IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL CONCERNS AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THEY CAN KIND OF HELP ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL.
WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING
[10. Consider: Resolution No. 20-044, (ZA20-0051), Specific Use Permit for a Residential Solar Energy System]
BEFORE WE JUMP BACK TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND FINISH THINGS UP.SO DENNIS AND I KNOW WE ALREADY HEARD THIS ONE EARLIER IN OUR WORK SESSION, SO MAYBE IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST A FEW INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS AND THEN MAYBE JUST PUT IT ON YEAH, ONE OF THE AERIALS. DENNIS, I GUESS ANYTHING YOU'D WANT TO ADD ON THIS? NO, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST TO ADD RESIDENTIAL SOLAR PANELS TO A RESIDENTIAL HOME AT 821 LAKE CARILLON, THIS IS AN AERIAL EXHIBIT VIEW TOWARDS THE NORTH THAT WOULD BE WITH A VIEW TOWARDS THE PROPOSED PANEL ARRAY ON THE HOME STRUCTURE.
AND THESE ARE SOME VARIOUS VIEWS OF THAT SITE PLAN REPRESENTING THAT AND EXHIBIT SHOWING ONE OF THE VIEWS DIRECTLY AT THAT PORTION OF THE ROOF WHERE THE PATHS WILL BE ADDED FROM LAKE CARILLON.
ANOTHER EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS A 360 PERSPECTIVE FROM THE ADJOINING ROADWAYS.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD.
DENNIS, DID WE GET ANY OPPOSITIONS ON THIS ONE? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT.
ONE IN FAVOR OR TWO OF THEM IN FAVOR.
DID WE GET, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT ALL THE.
YEAH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER RESPONSE FORMS. OK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ON THIS ONE CAN ONLY RESPOND TO WHAT WE HEAR.
SO, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
OK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE TO COME UP.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT IN THE GALLERY? DOES THAT MEAN I GET TO COMMENT FREELY NOW AS IF ANYTHING WOULD HAVE SLOWED YOU DOWN BEFORE? [LAUGHTER] I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT ANY OF THESE.
I MEAN, I AM THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SOLAR ENERGY PROPONENT IN THE WORLD.
BUT YOU CAN'T JUST STICK IT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET LIKE THIS.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T APPROVE IT OR I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
I WOULD PAINT MYSELF ON THE EXACT OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE AND CALL MYSELF A PROPONENT THAT ACTUALLY VOTES FOR IT UNLESS IT'S OVERLY BLATANT, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK ALL A HOMEOWNER CAN DO IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO IN THEIR SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TRULY BEYOND FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS. IF THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN YOUR LIFE IS SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THERE THAT PROMOTES RENEWABLE AND NATURAL ENERGY.
THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OVER THE TOP, I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT IT.
HOWEVER, I GUESS JUST TALKING TO STAFF HERE REAL QUICKLY, JUST WOULD IT BE BEST JUST PROTOCOL WISE TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY TABLE THIS ONE UNTIL UNTIL WE GET AN APPLICANT TO TALK THIS THROUGH OR.
RIGHT TO TABLE IT, CONSIDERING YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE ITEM WITH THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT DR.
SPRINGER AND I CAN AGREE ON IS THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN APPLICANT TO DISCUSS THIS WITH. SO, YES, I PREFER TO EVENTUALLY WE CAN FIND AGREEMENT.
YEAH, THIS IS GOOD. ANY OTHER JUST SINCE I GUESS YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF EDITORIAL COMMENTS ON THIS ONE. ANY OTHER EDITORIAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE.
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I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH DR.SPRINGER. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE APPLICANT WILL SAY THAT WILL CHANGE MY MIND.
BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO DRIVE DOWN KIRKWOOD AND SEE SOLAR PANELS.
AND I HATE THAT BECAUSE I SUPPORT THEM A LOT.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THE WAY THAT THE HOME FACES WITH THE MAIN ROAD, I CAN'T GET BEHIND IT. OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE. I GUESS SINCE THESE ARE RECORDED AND THE APPLICANT WOULD GET TO TUNE IN LATER AND HEAR WHAT STAFF AND STAFF CAN LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HEARD SOME COMMENTS ON IT. I GUESS WE CAN LET EVERYBODY ELSE WEIGH IN AND THROW THEIR TWO CENTS IN.
WELL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE ASKED WOULD HAVE BEEN FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE I GUESS WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH, GIVEN THE FACT THE WAY THAT THE SOLAR PANELS ARE FACING. YOU KNOW, I I'M KIND OF THE SAME IN TERMS OF THE VISIBILITY FOR MAJOR ARTERIES.
HOWEVER, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I SEE THAT IS POINTING TO ANOTHER HOUSE NOT DIRECTLY TOWARD KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD OR TOWARD LAKE CARILLON LANE.
SO I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I PROBABLY WOULD LEAN TOWARD BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, GIVEN THE ORIENTATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.
AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, COMMISSIONER PHALEN, IF YOU WANT AND YOU WANT TO THROW IN YOUR TWO CENTS OR NOT, FEEL FREE THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.
WELL, I DO FEEL LIKE I WANT TO SUPPORT SOLAR AND I THINK WE TRY TO.
BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST LIKE THE PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE WORST CASE FOR A HOMEOWNER TO HAVE, THAT THEY HAVE NO TREES TO COVER IT.
IT'S A VERY TALL HOUSE CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LITERALLY FACING THE NEIGHBOR. YOU CAN STILL SEE IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO TALL TREES OR ANYTHING.
SO I JUST UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE HOMEOWNER, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN UPHILL BATTLE WITH THE THIS IS KIND OF JUST THE CLASSIC CASE OF WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE SOLAR ON.
AND SO I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD VOTE FOR IT.
[LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. OK, FAIR ENOUGH.
I THINK THAT I'M GLAD WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN THAT PART OF THE PROCESS. SO I CAN THANK DR.
SPRINGER HERE. SO AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WILL JUST HONORING PRECEDENT.
GO AHEAD AND MIGHT ASK FOR A MOTION HERE IN A MINUTE TO TABLE THE ITEM TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A SPECIFIC DATE FOR THAT OR NOT OR DO WE WANT.
NO, ACTUALLY, ARE WE ON THE 5TH.
5TH. EXCUSE ME. LET ME GET THE DATE [INAUDIBLE].
NOVEMBER 5TH. WELL, WE THINK WE'RE POST-ELECTION.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. [LAUGHTER] OK, NOVEMBER 5TH WILL BE THE MEETING.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY STAFF HOPEFULLY YOU CAN REFERENCE THIS FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF THE ONLINE VIDEO FOR THE APPLICANT TO LISTEN TO, GIVEN IT'S KIND OF MIXED.
AND, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH POTENTIALLY SUGGESTING TO THEM SOME OF THE IDEAS WE SAW FROM ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS CASES, YOU KNOW, THE COVERED ARBOR IDEA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE'LL SEE BUT AT LEAST YOU'VE GOT THAT FEEDBACK FOR NOW.
THIS DOES NOT DELAY THE PROCESS ANY TO NOVEMBER.
WE'RE ON THE SAME TRACK. YEAH WE'RE NOT SETTING THEM BACK TOO MUCH HERE TIMING WISE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE COUNCIL ANYWAY.
SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT ANY LONGER AND I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 10 TO OUR NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE NUMBER ZA20- 0051 PENDING A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND REAL QUICK, SORRY, APOLOGIES REAL QUICK.
WE DON'T NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE BY TABLING IT OR.
NO YOU WILL HAVE A PUBLIC. YOU WILL HAVE ON BECAUSE WE ARE TABLING IT. BEFORE YOU TAKE A MOTION, IF YOU WANT TO JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TEN THIS EVENING? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, OK.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
HI, I'M DAVID CARR AT 405 S KIMBALL.
I THINK ALTERNATIVE ENERGY IS IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT.
I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE EXAMPLE OF ON A PUBLIC ROAD.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION BECAUSE I THINK IT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG THE MAIN ROADS AND AVENUES AND SEEING THE FLASHES OF SOLAR PANELS. SO I THINK THAT'S A SMART MOVE.
AND I SUPPORT WHAT DR. SPRINGER BROUGHT UP.
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OK, APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
SEEING NO ONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COME UP.
I'LL GO AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL YOUR NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING AND WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EXCITING ITEM UNTIL NOVEMBER 5TH THURSDAY MEETING HERE SHORTLY.
APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR MOTION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M DOTTING THE I'S AND CROSSING THE T'S HERE.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER TEN, CASE NUMBER ZA TWENTY DASH 005 ONE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM PENDING A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE NEXT SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 5TH.
OK, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION.
I'LL SECOND. OK, LET'S GO AND VOTE PLEASE.
MOTION TO TABLE PASSES FIVE ZERO TO OUR NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING.
WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS ITEM
[8. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-740, (ZA18-006), Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Creekside Point (formerly known as Southwest Meadows)]
NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGING AND CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR CREEKSIDE POINT, FORMERLY KNOWN AS SOUTHWEST MEADOWS.THAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD AND HIGHWAY 114.
THIS PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AT 1901 WEST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.
IT IS A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE PROPERTY FROM A NON RESIDENTIAL PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO AN SP2 ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW A HOTEL AND FULL SERVICE HOTEL AND RESTAURANT RETAIL PAD SITES.
PROPERTY IS AS YOU DESCRIBED, LOCATED AT THE SOUTH EASTERLY CORNER OF KIRKWOOD AND 114 . AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, A VIEW FROM 114.
A VIEW ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY 114, A VIEW AT THE INTERSECTION OF 114 AND KIRKWOOD. AND A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF KIRKWOOD LOOKING SOUTH.
THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH NEAR THE, I GUESS, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AT THE ENTRY INTO TD AMERITRADE.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY IS MIXED USE, AND IN THIS DESIGNATION, THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOTEL USES AND WHERE ONE WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
IT IS RECOMMENDED IN THAT MIXED USE DESIGNATION THAT IT BE A FULL SERVICE HOTEL, INCLUDING A TABLE SERVICE RESTAURANT MEETING SPACE AND OTHER AMENITIES.
THIS PROPERTY ALSO HAS AN OPTIONAL LAND USE DESIGNATION ON IT, WHICH IS RESTAURANT SPECIALTY RETAIL OVERLAY.
THIS DESIGNATION RECOMMENDS SIT DOWN TYPE RESTAURANTS AND NICHE TYPE RETAIL.
THIS IS THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH YOU MAY NOTE HERE, THE 114 FRONTAGE ROAD IS INCLUDED ON THAT PLAN.
THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION MAP OF THE CITY.
IT DOES IDENTIFY TREE COVERAGE ON THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, IT IS NOT DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY FOR PRESERVATION UNDER THAT PLAN.
I MIGHT ADD THAT THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE DOES PROVIDE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING A CONSERVATION PLAN UNDER THE SPECIAL ZONING DESIGNATION, SUCH AS THE SP AND PUD DESIGNATIONS. THIS TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY SHOWING BOTH TREE COVER AND THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS FAIRLY INTENSE.
THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS PART OF THE SABR CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT.
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THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION HAS BEEN IN PROCESS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.IT INITIALLY HAD A CORRIDOR PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING IN OCTOBER 2017.
IT'S BEEN THROUGH SPIN COMMISSION AND MADE IT TO A FIRST READING AT CITY COUNCIL.
THE PLAN EVOLVED QUITE A BIT THROUGH THOSE VARIOUS HEARINGS, AND THAT ULTIMATELY AT THE JANUARY 15TH MEETING, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED AN INDEFINITE TABLE OF THAT ITEM.
SINCE THAT TIME, THEY HAVE REVAMPED THE PLAN.
THEY WENT BEFORE THE COURT OR PLANNING COMMITTEE AT THE END OF JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AND TO SPIN IN APRIL END OF APRIL THIS YEAR.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT WE THIS ITEM HAVING BEEN THROUGH P&Z ONCE AND APPEARED AT CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING THROUGH THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MEETINGS, GIVEN THE EVOLUTION AND PLANNED CHANGES THAT OCCURRED, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED OF COUNCIL AT THEIR OCTOBER SIX MEETING THAT THEY REMAN THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. CITY STAFF, HAVING HAD THAT REQUEST APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, HAS DULY NOTIFIED ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PRESCRIBED DISTANCE CRITERIA OF THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THIS IS A RENDERING OR GROUP OF RENDERINGS THAT LAST APPEARED BEFORE THE COUNCIL AT THEIR JUNE MEETING IN 2018.
THE PLAN PROPOSED, I BELIEVE, A FIVE STORY HOTEL AND THREE RESTAURANT RETAIL PAD SITES.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
AND ANOTHER RENDERING OF THE HOTEL.
THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS BRINGING FORWARD.
IT PROPOSES A SIX STORY, ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE ROOM HOTEL WITH APPROXIMATELY 11000 AND 4500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.
THERE ARE VARIANCES REQUESTED WITH REGARD TO DRIVEWAY SPACING.
AS WELL AS DECELERATION LANE RELIEF ALONG THE KIRKWOOD FRONTAGE, THERE IS THREE LANES EXISTING IN KIRKWOOD AND THEIR JUSTIFICATION FOR NOT PROVIDING A SEPARATE DECEL LANE IS THAT EXISTING THIRD LANE FUNCTIONS AS ONE AND THEN ACTUALLY TERMINATES INTO THE TURN LANE THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE PHOTO INTO THE TD AMERITRADE SITE.
ALSO ASKING FOR RELIEF ON SOME OF THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING. THIS IS A TREE CONSERVATION PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS SOME PRESERVATION THAT'S BEING ACCOMPLISHED ON THE 114 FRONTAGE AS WELL AS, I GUESS, ADJOINING TREES THAT ARE NEAR THE SOUTH EASTERN BOUNDARY.
AN EXHIBIT SHOWING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AROUND AND THROUGH THE SITE.
AND CONSTRUCTION PHASING PLAN THE HOTEL.
AND ASSOCIATED PARKING BEING PART OF THAT FIRST PHASE.
THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED HOTEL.
IT'S A STONE VENEER, STUCCO MASONRY MIX.
SITE PLAN FOR THE FIRST PHASE.
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AND THE TECHNICAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION SHOWING THE MATERIAL TYPES.THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS 80 FOOT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SIX STORY'S.
THE PRIMARY PARAPET HEIGHTS ARE AT APPROXIMATELY 72 FEET.
THIS IS A PERMITTED USE AS PROPOSED UNDER THE SP2 ZONING, IT WOULD OF COURSE, ALLOW HOTEL WITH RESTAURANT AND BAR INSIDE THE LOBBY MEETING SPACE UNDER THE OUT PARCEL OR PAD SITES.
IT WOULD ALLOW C2 USE IS LIMITED TO RESTAURANT WITH AN ACCESSORY BAR PERMITTED OR RETAIL OFFICE SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWING ANY MEDICAL BANK USES OR HEALTH AND WELLNESS TYPE USES, INCLUDING MASSAGE THERAPY, FITNESS, HEALTH RELATED PRODUCTS AND SERVICES.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
OF COURSE, ADDRESS A REDUCTION IN PARKING.
AND SPECIFY VARIOUS OPERATIONAL TIMES OF USE.
ELIMINATES INTERIOR BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENTS.
AND SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS ANY DRIVE THROUGH SERVICES ON THE PROPERTY.
THE FULL SERVICE HOTEL WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THESE CRITERIA SET AND THEIR REGULATIONS, MINIMUM RESTAURANT LOUNGE SPACE, 4500 SQUARE FEET WOULD HAVE AN ONSITE BAR. 145 GUEST SUITES RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF 350 SQUARE FEET TO 520.
THERE WOULD BE A MEETING SPACE OF AT LEAST 4500 SQUARE FEET AND 500 CAPACITY.
SIX HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT FITNESS CENTER.
AND SOME OF THE OUTDOOR SERVICES BEING PROVIDED.
THESE ARE THE CRITERIA BEING SET AND REGULATIONS FOR THE OPERATIONAL SERVICES OF THE HOTEL.
WE HAVE PROVIDED A COMPARISON OF THE OTHER HOTELS THAT HAVE BEEN EITHER COMPLETED OR UNDERWAY IN THE CITY WITH ROOM COUNT.
MINIMUM ROOM SIZE MEETING SPACE.
THE APP HAS PROVIDED A PARKING STUDY TO ANALYZE THE PEAK P ARKING DEMANDS OF THE SITE, THEY ARE AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL REQUESTING PARKING REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE.
AND A REDUCTION IN WHAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD PARKING BASED ON CITY REGULATIONS.
THIS ANALYSIS SHOWS PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND REDUCTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE HOTEL AND THEN SPECIFIC TO THE HOTEL WITH COMPLETION OF THE TWO RETAIL RESTAURANT PAD SITES.
AND THIS IS A COMPARISON STAFF PROVIDED REGARDING JUST COMPARISONS OF THE VARIOUS HOTELS AND PARKING PROVIDED IN COMPARISON WITH THIS PROJECT.
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THIS IS A FIRST FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOTEL.AND THEN TYPICAL GUEST FLOOR PLAN OF THE UPPER STORIES.
THESE ARE ELEVATIONS THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED FOR THE RESTAURANT PAD SITES.
THIS IS A NORTH PARCEL BUILDING.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR REFER BACK TO ANY SLIDE YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION.
DENNIS MAYBE JUST TO THAT POINT REAL QUICK, JUST GOING BACKWARDS IN THE PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT SEVERAL OF THE SLIDES AGAIN, MAYBE STARTING KIND OF BACK AT THE ONE THAT HAD ALL THE MEETING DATES ON IT, PAST MEETING DATES.
AGAIN, JUST KIND OF I WANTED TO JUST REMIND MYSELF WHEN IT WAS THAT WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THIS, 2017, 2018.
I THINK IT WASN'T DIDN'T IT GET BROUGHT BACK TO CORRIDOR COMMITTEE MEETING IN 2019 OR 20.
FOLLOWING FIRST READING APPEARANCE, IT WENT BACK TO CORRIDOR PLANNING.
OKAY. AND THEN YOU MIND GOING TO THE LAND USE PLAN SLIDE.
JUST KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN GENERAL WHAT LAND USE WAS ENVISIONED HERE.
OK. KIND OF MIXED USE OK, AND THEN THAT NEXT ONE YES, THANK YOU.
THE RESTAURANT SPECIALTY OVERLAY.
BUT THEN I DON'T THINK YOU HAD.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD ONE OR NOT A SLIDE THAT ADDRESSED KIND OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS FOR THIS SITE OR DID I MISS A SLIDE OR.
I DO NOT HAVE A SLIDE THAT GOES INTO THE DETAIL OF THE REPORT.
AND MAYBE JUST IF YOU CAN GO TO THE TREE CONSERVATION SLIDE.
OK. ACTUALLY DO YOU MIND [INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE? OK. THERE, OK, SO THOSE OF THE EXISTING TREES AND THEN TO BE REMOVED ARE THE RED ONES AND THEN MAYBE SHOWING A SLIDE, SHOWING THE TOPOGRAPHY AGAIN OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S SOME OF THE GIVEN SITUATION ON THIS ONE IS THE TOPOGRAPHY AND I GUESS IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME THOSE BLACK DOTS ARE TREE LOCATIONS? YES.
OK. AND THEN YOU MIND MAYBE JUST REFRESHING US AGAIN ON JUST THE HISTORY? WHY THE SITE HAS TOPOGRAPHY, I GUESS, TO BEGIN WITH.
WAS IT ROAD CONSTRUCTION? WAS THAT ALWAYS THE RUMOR ON THAT? I'M SURE THAT SOME OF THAT DIFFERENCE IN SLOPE AND HERE MOST CERTAINLY OCCURRED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF 114 AND IN KIRKWOOD.
OK, I WOULD BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR NATURAL GRADE UP UNTIL THE POINT IT WAS AFFECTED BY THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
OK. AND JUST THE LAST THING AND SINCE THERE'S NOT A SLIDE ON IT, I'LL JUST KIND OF READ IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO LAY THE TABLE OUT HERE IN TERMS OF JUST THE HISTORY AND CHALLENGES OF THE SITE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE FOLLOWING RELATE TO THE USE OF OPEN SPACE IN THE MIXED USE LAND CATEGORY.
CONSIDER ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS AS FEATURES, RATHER CONSTRAINTS, EMPHASIS PLACED ON PRESERVATION OF EXISTING WOODED AREAS AND STREAM CORRIDORS.
AVOID CHANNELING OR PIPING OF STREAMS. STREAMS OR CREEKS SHOULD BE A FOCAL POINT RATHER THAN AT THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
PROVIDE NATURAL WALKING PATHS ALONG STREAMS AND CORRIDORS, USED TOPOGRAPHY AS AN ADVANTAGE, DO NOT FLATTEN THE SITE AND THEN PRESERVE VIEWS WERE SOME OF THE THINGS NOTED
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IN HERE, INCLUDING BUILDINGS ARE TO BE DESIGNED IN A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY MANNER.AND I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE REASON WHY WHEN YOU SHOWED PREVIOUS MEETING DATES, WE HAD TWO FULL PAGES OF MEETINGS IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S CORRIDOR COMMITTEE PLANNING AND ZONING CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S KIND OF BEEN AN ONGOING STRUGGLE TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT BALANCE FOR THIS SITE RELATIVE TO THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT IT HAS.
OK, THOUGH, THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME.
I JUST I WANTED TO KIND OF REFRESH THAT IN MY MIND.
I GUESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP.
ARE THOSE TWO FOOT CONTOURS THERE? I BELIEVE THEY ARE, YES.
OK OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS STAFF.
ON THE COMPARISON OF THE OTHER HOTELS HOW MANY STORY'S? I NOTICED THEY WENT FROM FIVE TO SIX.
HOW MANY STORY'S DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER HOW THE DELTA AND THE CAMBRIA.
HOW MANY STORY'S ARE THOSE HOTELS? I BELIEVE LET ME SEE IF OUR COMPARISON INCLUDES THAT.
AND I THINK DELTA IS FIVE AND CAMBRIA MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE.
WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE FOUR COUNT, I DID BELIEVE WESTIN IS SIX.
DELTA IS FIVE AND CAMBRIA IS FOUR OR FIVE.
OK. GOOD QUESTION, MR. ROTHMEIER, DID YOU HAVE ONE.
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I DID.
ADDRESS IN SOME OF THE PARKING CONCERNS.
WAS THERE A PARKING GARAGE THAT WAS INCLUDED FOR CONSIDERATION AS A PART OF THIS, OR AM I THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT I READ? IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED, I THINK, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE A PLAN EVER CAME FORWARD INCLUSIVE OF A GARAGE.
YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DERIVATIVE OF THAT.
NOT SURE THE FORMAL CONSIDERATION OF IT, BUT THAT WAS THE ONE, I THINK, THAT HAD A LITTLE SMALLER HOTEL ON IT, BUT MAYBE HAD THREE RESTAURANT PADS.
SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FOR NOW, THE STAFF ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE SO WE CAN ALWAYS ASK THEM ANYTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU, DENNIS, FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE HISTORY LESSON THERE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND INVITE THE APPLICANT UP NOW TO THE MICROPHONE FOR HIS SECOND STINT AT THE MICROPHONE THIS EVENING.
[LAUGHTER] NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, I'M PRETTY SURE HE KNOWS THE ROUTINE AND I GUESS I'D JUST ASK AS YOU GO THROUGH IT, WHICH KIND OF SCARES.
OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE THINGS THAT I MEAN NOT JUST THIS COMMISSION . SURE. BUT COUNCIL HAVE STRUGGLED WITH IN TERMS OF TREE PRESERVATION, TOPOGRAPHY, INTERACTION WITH THE KIND OF THE BACK OF THE SITE, SO TO SPEAK, DENSITY, PARKING AND TRYING TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT CAN KIND OF COME CLOSE TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, LAND USE DESCRIBES.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M GETTING AN ECHO CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY.
IF YOU MAYBE DON'T MIND, GET A LITTLE CLOSER.
LITTLE CLOSER. IS THAT BETTER. PERFECT.
I FEEL LIKE A ROCK STAR WITH THIS THING.
YOU'RE THE LAST ONE USING THE MICROPHONE SO YOU FEEL FREE TO GET AS CLOSE AS YOU WANT.
THIS IS REALLY ODD. SORRY, MY NAME IS DAVID CARR.
I'M AT 405 SOUTH KIMBALL IN SOUTHLAKE.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING PROJECT IN THAT WE'VE BUILT A LOT OF BUILDINGS IN SOUTHLAKE AND I THINK WE BUILT PRETTY NICE BUILDINGS.
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WE WANT THESE TO BE NICE BUILDINGS TOO.THIS SITE PLAN YOU HAVE HERE IS A REACTION TO A PREVIOUS SITE PLAN AND THAT WAS NOT PUT TOGETHER BY THE GROUP WE HAVE HERE.
SO A DEVELOPER CAME ALONG, WENT THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF A SMALLER, LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL, I THINK TOO MANY RESTAURANT PAD SITES, TOO MUCH PAVING AND I'LL RUN THROUGH THAT HERE ON THIS. SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE SITE, THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE TREE PRESERVATION. IT'S A TRIANGLE SITE.
WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL CREEK BEHIND US, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY BEHIND US BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ROOM [INAUDIBLE]. YOU KNOW, IT'S A TWO SIDED BUILDING.
SO THE ROOMS IN THE BACK GET TO OVERLOOK THE CREEK, WHICH WE THINK IS PRETTY SPECIAL.
THE OTHER THING YOU MAY WANT TO GRILL ME ABOUT, CHAIRMAN KUBIAK, IS I THINK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AT CORRIDOR COMMISSION IF YOU'LL RECALL WAS THAT THIS SITE HAPPENS TO COME WITH, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS ENTERING OR CITY OF SOUTHLAKE SIGN.
THAT'S ALONG 114 AT THE FRONTAGE.
[LAUGHTER] SO WITH THAT, I'LL GET TO IT.
AS I JUST HIT THE UP GUY OR DO YOU DO THIS OR WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO.
HERE WE GO. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S A RENDERING OF OUR SITE PLAN.
THE MASONRY ISN'T REALLY RENDERING OUT VERY WELL IN THIS SOFTWARE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE IN RESPONSE TO THE MARKET, WE HAVE A LARGER RESTAURANT PAD SITE, ANOTHER RESTAURANT PAD SITE, AND THEN THE HOTEL, WHICH IS A FULL SERVICE HOTEL VERSUS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED, WHICH IS A LIMITED SERVICE.
[INAUDIBLE] I THINK HOTEL WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
HERE WE HAVE A HILTON EMBASSY SUITES BRAND.
SO THIS IS SORT OF THE SITE LOCATION.
YOU GUYS KNOW THE DRILL HERE? WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT. THAT'S SORT OF A SCALE OF HOW THE SITE LAYS OUT AMONGST THE TREES, THE HILL.
IT'S SORT OF A NARRATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, FULL SERVICE UNDER 45 KEY HOTEL ON SITE CONFERENCE MEETING SPACE INSIDE RESTAURANT ALONG WITH TWO, WE SAY, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GROW UP TO BE RESTAURANTS.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF FOLKS HIT US UP TO PUT RESTAURANTS HERE.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE] SITES ARE SIZED LIKE THEY ARE.
THIS IS THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER'S PLAN, WHICH WE WENT THROUGH OR DENNIS WENT THROUGH.
YOU'VE GOT A LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL, SMALLER.
YOU'VE GOT THREE RESTAURANT PADS START TO GET PRETTY CROWDED.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THREE RESTAURANT PADS OUT FRONT, A LOT OF PAVING.
A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM CORRIDOR WAS TO MINIMIZE THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE POPULACE THAT MIGHT BE ENJOYING THE RESTAURANT VERSUS THE POPULACE THAT MIGHT BE ENJOYING THE HOTEL, SORT OF BRING THOSE IN A MORE CLOSELY AND MAKE IT MORE OF A KIND OF A VILLAGE FEEL. AND CAN I ASK, I GUESS, WHILE YOU'RE COUGHING TO INTERJECT HERE, AND IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR BOTH YOU AND STAFF, AGAIN.
JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I MEAN, THE SENTIMENT YOU JUST SAID WAS 100 PERCENT CORRECT IN TERMS OF JUST TRYING TO BETTER LINK IN A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED MANNER THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE SEA OF PARKING, ET CETERA.
HOWEVER, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S ALWAYS HARD.
EVERY TIME YOU FIX ONE THING, YOU'VE JUST CREATED SOMETHING ELSE.
SURE. BUT THIS SITE PLAN WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAD THE HOTEL UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THE SITE, HAD AN AMENITY, KIND OF AN OUTDOOR AMENITY AREA AT THE BACK OF THE SITE THAT KIND OF OPENED UP TO THE WOODS AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, AGAIN, KIND OF INCORPORATED SOME OF THE NATURAL CHARM OF THE SITE A LITTLE BIT.
ARE THERE CONSTRAINTS TO DOING IT IN THIS MANNER, I.E.
FIRE DEPARTMENT OR SOME NEED TO GET BEHIND THE BUILDING AND HAVE THAT SEPARATION THERE OR IS THERE AN ABILITY TO KIND OF BACK IT UP AGAINST THE SITE AGAIN? TECHNICALLY, I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS UNLESS MY ENGINEER PAUL [INAUDIBLE] CAN ANSWER THAT.
OH MAYBE STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL.
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BUT OR MAYBE JUST BEFORE THEY DO.MAYBE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WHAT WAS A DRIVER TO NOT HAVE IT UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THE SITE AND KIND OF HAVE THAT DRIVE LANE SEPARATED? SURE. SO WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR AT CORRIDOR COMMITTEE, WHICH WE APPRECIATE EVEN THE CREATION OF THAT. I THINK WE WERE PROBABLY ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ONES YEARS AGO BRINGING THE TWO OR THREE USERS CLOSER TOGETHER.
AS THIS TO ME LAYS OUT LIKE AN OLD SAFEWAY WHERE YOU GOT THE OUT PARCELS, YOU GOT THE BIG BOX IN THE BACK, AND YOU GET TO WALK ACROSS A SEA OF PAVING TO GET TO THE RESTAURANT.
TIRED. THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM CORRIDOR WAS BRING THE HOTEL CLOSER TO THE RESTAURANT USER, SO THEY'RE MORE CROSS POPULATING.
SO YOU COULD STEP OUT FROM HAVING A DRINK IN THE HOTEL, MAYBE WALK OVER TO WHISKEY CAKE, ENJOY A WHISKEY CAKE RESTAURANT, AND THEN YOU MAYBE HANG OUT IN THE GROVE OF TREES THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THE TWO USES.
IT'S LESS PAVING, IT'S LESS DISTANCE.
IT'S GENERALLY MORE ENJOYABLE.
WHEN YOU DO THAT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE BRINGING THE BUILDING OFF THE [INAUDIBLE].
WE ALSO LIKED THE PARKING IN THE BACK, WHICH OUR SITE PLAN SHOWS BECAUSE IT GIVES THE EMPLOYEE PARKING A PLACE TO LOCATE / HIDE.
WE ALSO LIKED WE DIDN'T REALLY MIND THAT BECAUSE WE FELT THE ADVANTAGE THERE WAS THAT THE VERTICALITY OF THE BUILDING, YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN ONTO THE SABRE CAMPUS, TD AMERITRADE BUILDING, WHICH IS VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND ON ALL THE TREES AND THE TRAIL, WE FELT THAT WAS A NICE VIEW LOOKING DOWN, SORT OF LIKE THE BACK OF THE HOTEL THAT SOLANA HAS VERSUS WORRYING HOW YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THE TREES AND THE CREEK FROM THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND AGAIN, SOMETIMES ON THESE HOTELS, THE SITE PLANS ARE YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM TWO SIDED.
I CAN'T USE THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANY REAL GREAT SCIENCE CHAIRMAN KUBIAK.
I THINK IT WAS REALLY A REACTION TO WHAT WE HEARD, A CORRIDOR WHICH WAS BRINGING THEM CLOSER, WHICH WE LIKE.
I DON'T MEAN IT'S SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LIKE THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT DOES LOOK LIKE AN OLD SAFEWAY WHERE THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH PAVING, TOO LONG OF A WALK, TOO MUCH STRIPING.
I JUST WOULD RATHER HAVE THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO EACH OTHER.
SO YOU'RE WALKING OUT OF THE HOTEL OR OUT OF THE RESTAURANT IN BACK INTO THE HOTEL.
IT SEEMS MORE NATURAL AND CLOSER.
OKAY. YEAH, I JUST I WANTED TO KIND OF HEAR THAT CONTEXT AGAIN.
WE'LL KIND OF LET THAT DIGEST WHILE WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL LET YOU KEEP GOING. THIS IS KIND OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, FULL SERVICE, NOT A LIMITED SERVICE WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.
AND I THINK THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE] MISTAKE BY OTHERS PROPOSING A LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL.
NOW, WE HAVE TWO RESTAURANT PADS VERSUS THREE LESS PAVING, LESS PAVING, LESS WALKING ON PAVING. SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN PLANO.
AND WE'RE USING THE GREENSPACE AS AN AMENITY FOR THE HOTEL ROOMS AND FOR THE RESTAURANTS.
THIS LANDSCAPE DOESN'T REALLY RENDER OUT VERY WELL ON THIS SITE PLAN PER SAY.
THIS IS SORT OF TO SHOW THE GEOMETRY OF THE SPACE PLAN.
AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES ON THE PERIPHERY AND INTERIOR WHERE THE INTERIOR GROVE NOW WE KIND OF BECAME ENAMORED WITH THE IDEA OF FAMILIES COMING TO WHISKEY CAKE OR [INAUDIBLE] OR WHATEVER BIG FORMAT RESTAURANT WANTS TO BE HERE.
AND A LOT OF THEM DO WANT TO BE HERE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, LIKE OUR KIDS DO, THE ADULTS STAY INSIDE AND FINISH THEIR FOOD.
THE KIDS GO OUTSIDE, PLAY IN THE TREES.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY FOR THEM TO RECREATE OUT IN THE GROVE OF TREES.
SO IT JUST FELT MORE INTIMATE TO US.
AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT, I GUESS, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? I MEAN, WHERE. BECAUSE I GUESS IF I SAW A TREE PRESERVATION CORRECTLY, THERE REALLY AREN'T TREES BEING PRESERVED.
I MEAN, I GUESS THERE WERE A FEW ON THE I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
RIGHT. THAT'S IT. AND THEN WHERE WOULD BE THE GREEN SPACES WERE? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF RESTAURANT HAVING KIND OF AN OUTDOOR SEATING AND EATING AREA, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SITE LIKE THE LAND USE PLAN TELLS US.
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I GUESS, WHERE, AND I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU CAN USE I GUESS YOU CAN'T USE THE MOUSE FROM THERE. OH, WELL, SO GO AHEAD AND SO THESE ARE ALL TREES THAT WE ADD BACK.SO WE TAKE THEM OUT TO BUILD BUILDINGS AND PAVING AND THEN WE PUT ALL THESE TREES BACK.
SO THE MIDDLE AREA, DENNIS? YEAH, THAT'S THE GROVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF HAVE THEM INSTEAD OF THIS.
INSTEAD OF THIS, WHICH IS SORT OF A I CALL IT THE POMPON PLAN OR IT'S JUST LIKE A TREE HERE 20 FEET LATER, THERE'S ANOTHER TREE, 20 FEET LATER, THERE'S ANOTHER TREE, WHICH IS THE OLD LAYOUT OF NEW TREES.
WE HAVE THEM CLUSTERED AND MORE USABLE.
MAYBE THERE'S TREE LIGHTS FESTOON LIGHTS OR SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY ENJOY THE GROVES OF TREES VERSUS HERE YOU'RE JUST GETTING CREDIT FOR PUTTING TREES BACK.
I MEAN, I THINK ON YOUR SITE PLAN, IT CERTAINLY DOES HELP BREAK THE PARKING LOT UP.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BUT I'M NOT SURE IT REALLY PRESENTS ITSELF AS ANYTHING THAT WILL BE AN AMENITY PEOPLE COULD ENJOY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SURROUNDED BY PARKING AND IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE RESTAURANT, I GUESS. WHERE WOULD YOU SEE SOME OF THIS OUTDOOR SEATING, RESTAURANT ENJOYMENT AREAS BEING? I GUESS BECAUSE I COULDN'T REALLY SEE ONE.
OH, WELL, SO THESE YELLOW AREAS OF RESTAURANT, THAT'S NOT THE RESTAURANT BUILDING.
THAT'S JUST THE RESTAURANT PAD.
SO I WOULD THINK INBOARD FROM THE PARKING ON EACH PAD, WHEREVER IT IS, YOU'D HAVE PATIO SEATING AROUND SORT OF DECK SEATING AROUND THE RESTAURANT.
WHEN WE TALK TO THE RESTAURANT, [INAUDIBLE] I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY WANTED TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR AREA, A LOT OF OUTDOOR AREA, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT WHAT THEY SAID THEY'VE EXPERIENCED IN PLANO, WHICH IS SORT OF A FAKE OUTDOOR AREA WHERE IT'S A FAKE, IT'S A PATIO, BUT THEN YOU'RE LOOKING OUT ONTO A SEA OF PARKING AND THEN THERE'S AN ALBERTSON'S. WELL, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT. I MEAN, I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THAT OUTDOOR AREA WOULD BE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT PAD SITE, LOOKING BACK OUT TO THE TREES YOU HAVE PRESERVED.
BECAUSE I GUESS OTHERWISE IT WOULD JUST BE NEW PLANTINGS, WHICH I DON'T REALLY SEE THERE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY.
I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION.
ON THE PAD, I'M ASSUMING THE OUTDOOR AREA WOULD BE ON THE FAR WESTERN SIDE THAT RUNS UP KIND OF ADJACENT TO YES. SORRY. I GET CONFUSED. SORRY GETS THE WHOLE CARDINAL DIRECTIONS ALONG THE PARKWOOD. YEAH.
THAT SIDE OF THE PAD WHERE YOU'RE PRESERVING TREES.
AND I GUESS THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME NEW PLANTINGS SORT OF. SO WE ON THAT ON THAT SITE, PER, SAY THAT TOPOGRAPHY DIVES DOWN PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY TO KIRKWOOD.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE AN ELEVATED DECK ON PIERS OR SOMETHING.
SO YOU DO YOU HAVE A DECK? BUT IT'S ELEVATED. I DON'T WANT IT GOING DOWN THE HILL.
YEAH, AND LIKE I SAID EACH SO JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S VERY CLEAR.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GAIN SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE HOTEL IF YOU WANT IT WHEN THE RESTAURANT TOURS COME BACK IN.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG DENNIS. BUT WHEN THE RESTAURANT TOURS COME IN OR WHOMEVER.
THEY'LL HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN FACADE MATERIALS, SITE PLAN, YADA, YADA, YADA APPROVED.
SO YOU'LL GET A BITE AT THAT APPLE.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO APPROVE.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND WE'RE JUST CONCEPT PLANNING IT TONIGHT.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK AS PRESENTED, IT'S NOT EVEN TIED DOWN TO JUST A RESTAURANT. IT'S PRETTY BROAD.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENVISION, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT COULD WE TIE IT DOWN TO? WHAT MIGHT IT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW IT MIGHT PLAY OUT? EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN TONIGHT, BUT JUST KIND OF PICTURING THE CONCEPT, SO TO SPEAK.
WELL, IF IT WERE ME OVER THERE AND THE RESTAURANT, GUY SHOWS UP FOR THAT WESTERN PAD SITE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'D PROBABLY WANT TREE WELLS OR AT LEAST TREES EVERY FOURTH OR FIFTH PARKING SPACE INSTEAD OF A LONG LINE OF PARKING.
RIGHT. SO I'D WANT TO BREAK THAT UP.
AND THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE USING THE DECK ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN HOW THE REAL SITE PLAN LAYS OUT AS FAR AS BACKING THAT LOT BACK UP AND USING SOME
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SORT OF FRONT PATIO OR DECK ALONG THE HIDDEN PARKING.SAME FOR THE OTHER GUY ON THE PLAN EAST SIDE.
HE'S GOT A LOT OF FUN THINGS GOING ON TO THE SOUTH AND EAST.
YEAH. SO I'M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT THAT GUY, BUT I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THE OTHER GUY.
OK, YEAH. WE CAN GET TO THAT GUY HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT I'LL LET YOU KEEP GOING WITH YOUR PRESENTATION I'VE STALLED YOU OUT AGAIN.
SO AGAIN, APOLOGIES FOR THE RENDERS.
THESE ARE JUST CONCEPT SKETCHES AS TO HOW WE SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAYING OUT.
AS FAR AS THE MATERIALITY OF THE EMBASSY SUITES HOTEL, WE HAVE MATERIAL BOARDS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT. IF YOU WANT TO TOUCH AND FEEL STUCCO AND STONE, WE HAVE IT FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
BUT THIS THE BUILDINGS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET REALLY ARE JUST SHOWING KIND OF GENERALLY HOW WE SEE IT.
WE DON'T SEE THESE BUILDINGS AS LOOKING LIKE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES OR PITCHED ROOFS.
WE SEE THEM MORE OF LIKE WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE AT TOWN CENTER.
JUST TO KIND OF MESH WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT.
YOU KNOW, THE AMERITRADE BUILDING IS VERY MODERN.
SO WE WOULD KIND OF STICK WITHIN THAT PALLET WITHOUT BEING TOO AUSTERE AND BARE.
THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF THE PROTOTYPE OF THE EMBASSY SUITES THAT WE WOULD HAVE HERE.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL.
CUSTOM FURNITURE IS VERY NICE.
THEY CALL THIS THE LOBBY AND THE LIVING ROOM.
THIS IS THE PROTOTYPE OF THEIR FULL SIZE RESTAURANT.
SO THIS LOOKS LIKE ANY RESTAURANT THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN TOWN CENTER.
I THINK IT WOULD FIT VERY WELL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS, TOO.
SO WHENEVER WE PUT A SITE PLAN TOGETHER AND YOU GUYS MAY KNOW OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT WE REALLY TRY TO ALWAYS MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLYING WITH LAND USE PLANS GOING FORWARD ON A NUMBER OF POINTS. QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, CHECK BALANCED.
WE WERE WORKING ON TREE YOU KNOW BALANCING TREES, TOPOGRAPHY, AND THEN LAND USE IS ALWAYS AN IFFY.
MOBILITY, IS NOT REALLY AN ISSUE FOR US.
OPEN SPACES THAT WE'RE ACCESSING THE CREEK AND THE TREES.
ANYBODY THAT STAYS AT THE HOTEL CAN CERTAINLY GO DOWN TO THE STREET LEVEL AT KIRKWOOD AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BEAUTIFUL TRAIL THAT'S ON THE TD AMERITRADE PROPERTY THAT TRAVELS TO THE EAST ALONG KIRKWOOD.
SO OPEN SPACES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY, HAVING A HOTEL IS HELPFUL FOR GROUPS COMING IN AND GROUP TRAVEL.
AND WITH ALL THE BIG CORPORATE USERS MOVING IN HERE, THE HOTELS AND THE RESTAURANTS ARE A GREAT WAY TO FILL THE SALES TAX GAP ON THE WEEKNIGHTS.
AND WITH THAT, OUR GOAL REALLY IS TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE HOTEL.
WE THINK WE'RE BETTER THAN THIS PLAN HAS EVER BEEN.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE OUTSIDE OUT PARCELS, JUST CONCEPT PLAN APPROVALS.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY APPROVING ARCHITECTURE OR EVEN SITE PLANS AT THIS POINT, JUST ZONING.
AND IT'S A PRETTY BROAD ZONING FOR THOSE OUT PARCELS.
HOTEL MARKETS DEPRESSED RIGHT NOW WITH COVID AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT.
HILTON AND A LOT OF HOTELIERS IN PARTICULAR REALLY WANT TO BE IN THIS MARKET, ESPECIALLY WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH CORPORATE PEOPLE MOVING IN.
THE BEST HILTON EMBASSY SUITES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS IN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORING BURG OF GRAPEVINE. AND THAT HOTEL DOES VERY WELL.
IN FACT, IT'S THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY.
AND HILTON WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SUCCESS.
THEY THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GRAPEVINE UNNATURALLY AND THEY THINK THAT, AND RIGHTLY SO, THAT SOUTHLAKE HAS MORE RESTAURANT AMENITIES, A LOT MORE PUBLIC [INAUDIBLE] TOWN CENTER, A LOT MORE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WILL ENJOY.
I THINK GRAPEVINE REALLY TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP TO SOUTHLAKE ON THAT FRONT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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I'VE ALREADY ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS.SO I GUESS I'LL MAYBE PAUSE RIGHT NOW AND OPEN IT UP TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY TRY TO BALANCE ON SOME OF THE OTHER PAST APPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF TREE PRESERVATION AND WORKING WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY AND HOW MUCH IS APPROPRIATE TO PUT ON THIS SITE.
SO ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO FIRE AWAY WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'LL CHIME IN. I REALLY LIKE IT.
I AT FIRST I THOUGHT I HEARD YOUR QUESTION, CHAIRMAN, ABOUT WHY DID YOU BRING IT FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THE BACK? BUT THE ANSWER WAS AMAZING.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CONCEAL SOME PARKING, ESPECIALLY MAYBE THE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND I'M THRILLED THAT WHISKEY CAKE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING COMING HERE.
WELL, TECHNICALLY, AT THIS RESTAURANT, YOU CAN HAVE WHISKEY AND CAKE.
[LAUGHTER] AND THAT SAID, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE THE PLANO WHISKEY CAKE.
I HAVE BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
THEY DO HAVE A PATIO THAT OPENS UP TO A PARKING LOT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT I REALLY LIKE THE PLAN, I THINK, TWO RESTAURANT PAD SITES, COMMERCIAL PAD SITES RESTAURANTS WOULD BE GREAT.
I REALLY THINK I COULD GET BEHIND IT HOW IT IS.
I LIKE IT MUCH BETTER THAN THE LAST, LIMITED USE AND SPREAD OUT OLD SAFE WAY LOOK.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THIS AND IT'S NOT A FUN SITE TO PLAY WITH. IT HAS A LOT OF LIMITATIONS AND I THINK IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY GO AHEAD.
I HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND I GUESS MAYBE A QUESTION OR TWO? YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE HOTEL MARKET, WHICH MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT DEVELOPING HOTELS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I SAW A STORY ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT THAT CEOS OF THE MAJOR HOTELS AND I ASSUME HILTON WAS A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION ARE GOING TO THE GOVERNMENT, ASKING FOR IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE GIVEN OCCUPANCY RATES THAT HAVE GONE DOWN INTO SINGLE DIGITS IN SOME CASES. I DO THINK IT'S A AND I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THIS.
SURE. WHERE I'M PROBABLY STRUGGLING MORE THAN ANYTHING IS A MOVE FROM A FIVE STORY TO A SIX STORY BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH AN ELEVATED PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO PUSH THAT EVEN HIGHER.
YOU MENTIONED MORE THAN ONCE LOOKING DOWN ON SABRE OR LOOKING DOWN ON TD AMERITRADE, LOOKING. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THIS TO BE THE HOUSE ON THE HILL.
NO. THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN THAT I GOT.
I DO THINK THAT MOVING FROM A LIMITED SERVICE HILTON GARDEN INN CONCEPT TO AN EMBASSY SUITES MAKES SOME SENSE.
I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTIATION IN THIS MARKET.
AND EMBASSY SUITES CERTAINLY WOULD DO THAT.
A COMMENT ON THE TREE PRESERVATION, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT.
AND YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED SEVERAL TIMES, DAVID, THE NOTION OF IMPROVING THE GREEN SPACE AND THE AMENITIES AND THE GREEN SPACE.
I ONLY SEE ONE LITTLE GROVE OF TREES OTHER THAN WHAT WOULD GO ON THE OUTBUILDINGS.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I REALLY SEE THAT AS A PART OF WHAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD DO.
YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE APPROVED BASED ON CITY REQUIREMENTS, YOU'D PRESERVE 50 PERCENT OF THE TREE COVER THAT'S THERE OR SEVEN POINT FIVE PERCENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN PLANT TO GET BACK CLOSE TO 25 PERCENT EVEN WOULD BE A NUMBER. AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU GET THAT NUMBER UP.
OK. TO A YOU KNOW, WITH DECENT SIZED CALIPER TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MY QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT PARKING GARAGE.
I SAW SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ABOUT OFFSITE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES IN SOLANA OR OFF HOURS PARKING. IS THERE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR PARKING ON THE SOLANA PROPERTIES.
WELL, SO WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT AND IN FACT, EVEN TODAY WITH QUADRANT INVESTMENT PROPERTIES. QUADRANT IS THE ASSET MANAGER FOR THE SOLANA OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SOLANA I FORGET THE NUMBER THREE, FOUR OR FIVE, BUT OUR TRAFFIC PLAN AND OUR PARKING PLAN IS ONLY NON-COMPLIANT ON THE SATURDAY NIGHT WHEN EVERYBODY SHOWS UP TO THE RESTAURANT AND EVERYBODY'S AT THE HOTEL AND IT'S REALLY JAMMING.
AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THE FIFTY SOMETHING SIXTY SOMETHING EMPLOYEES AND WE TELL THEM SATURDAY NIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO PARK OVER THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU BACK AND FORTH. IT'S NOT WHAT WE INITIALLY CONTEMPLATED HAVING A VALET SERVICE.
SO LIKE IF DR. SPRINGER COMES OVER AND HE'S LIKE, WHERE'S MY CAR? AND YOU HAVE TO GO OVER TO SOLANA AND GET IT AND COME BACK AND HE'S WAITING 20 MINUTES, THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK.
SO WE FELT LIKE THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO OFFLOAD THE PEAK SATURDAY PARKING
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EMPLOYEE PARKING OVER THERE.NO ONE'S THERE ON SATURDAY NIGHT BECAUSE IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING THERE ANYWAY, SO WE WOULD PAY THEM.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S SECURE. SO IN TALKING WITH THEM AND THEN THE GUYS THAT OWN IT THE [INAUDIBLE], GUYS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO THEM AS WELL, EVERYBODY SEES THAT AS A WIN WIN.
THE EMPLOYEES THEY DON'T GET TO PARK AND WALK NINE FEET INTO THEIR HOTEL.
THEY HAVE A BIT OF A JAUNT, BUT SO DOES THE GUY THAT WORKS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS HAVE TO WALK. SO IT'S A TRADE OFF.
YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I MISSED THAT IT WAS NONCOMPLIANCE ONLY ON SATURDAY NIGHT.
SO I GUESS A CONCERN A LITTLE BIT IS THAT HOUSE ON THE HILL CONCEPT.
I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY BEING A SUITES ONLY PROPERTY, BEING A, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER NUMBER OF AVAILABLE ROOMS AND SO ON.
BUT THAT'S JUST A CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A LOT BETTER PLAN.
I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF THE COMMENTS TO HEART AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON IT. WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE BUILDINGS WE BUILT HERE, AND WE LOVE SOUTHLAKE AND IT'S BEEN GOOD TO US. AND SO WE WANT TO BUILD THE RIGHT BUILDING IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
ONE COMMENT THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO CONSIDER IS FORCING US TO MAYBE HIDE AIR HANDLERS OR ANY KIND OF ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT.
SO TO DRESS UP THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD THINK ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT A CELL PHONE ANTENNA OR SOME GOOFBALL THING ON THE ROOF.
SO THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING IF YOU ARE THE HOUSE ON THE HILL AND YOU'RE OF THE BUILDING, EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THEN YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS NICE.
RIGHT. AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED IS SIGNAGE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HILTON EMBASSY SUITES SIGN.
THAT DOESN'T NEED TO STAY ON ALL NIGHT.
RIGHT. NO ONE'S GOING TO PULL IN AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S THE EMBASSY SUITES, I'M GOING TO PULL IN. SO WE TURN THAT OFF AT NIGHT JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION AND JUST GENERALLY ANNOYING EVERYBODY WITH THIS BIG BRIGHT LIGHT AS YOU DRIVE DOWN. I REMEMBER WHEN TROPHY CLUB PUT THE HOTEL IN THAT THE NEON WHATEVER IT WAS WITH NUMBERS TELLING YOU THE RATE.
AND I JUST ABOUT MY HEAD JUST ABOUT EXPLODED.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT EITHER.
SO HOUSE ON THE HILL, I GET IT.
ABSOLUTELY. WE DEFINITELY WOULD TAKE MEASURES TO ADDRESS ALL THE DUMB THINGS PEOPLE PUT ON TOP OF BUILDINGS. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL PASS IT DOWN THIS WAY TO WHOEVER WANTS TO JUMP IN FIRST.
GO AHEAD. THE TOPOGRAPHY IS, YOU KNOW, IN JUST WIPING OUT THE WHOLE TREES THERE.
THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT I'VE GOT AGAINST IT.
AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAVE MANY OF THOSE TREES IN THERE, THAT'S FOR SURE. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE STARTING OVER AGAIN.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER TO LOOKING DOWN FROM SIX STORIES.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S REALLY NICE TO LOOK DOWN, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BACK TO THE TREES, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE TOP OF THESE RESTAURANTS AND THEIR EQUIPMENT HAS TO GO ON THE ROOF OF RESTAURANTS.
THERE'S LIKE EXHAUST FANS AND ALL THE JUNK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT THAT HAS TO GO UP THERE. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU PUT YOU KNOW, A SHIELD AROUND IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE SUCH A BECOMING THING, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR GUESTS THERE TO ACTUALLY BE LOOKING DOWN ON THAT.
WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN THE HOTEL WE BUILT IN DALLAS RECENTLY, WHICH IS YOU DO ALL THE WORK YOU CAN DO AND MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.
THEN YOU PUT A CAFE IN THE POOL DECK AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN ON AN EXHAUST FAN THING OR SOME KIND OF WHATEVER.
AND IT'S JUST HARD TO MANAGE THAT.
AND IT REALLY LOOKS GOOD AFTER THE RESTAURANT'S BEEN RUNNING FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, THE GREASE IS ON THE ROOF.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE, REALLY? YEAH, I HEAR YOU.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S MY MAIN THING.
I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
IT'S A MUCH BETTER CONCEPT THAN WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN KEEP IT AS NATURAL AS WE CAN, THAT'S THE MAIN GOAL.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT ON ANOTHER SITE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH YOU GUYS, I THINK, WHICH IS HAS A LOT OF TREES AND TRYING TO PLACE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE TREES SO WE DON'T BULLDOZE AND TAKE THINGS OUT.
SO DEFINITELY TRYING TO CONSIDER THAT.
TO PUT SOME MEAT ON THAT BONE.
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I MEAN, I THINK REALLY ALL YOU CAN DO FOR THAT IS DE-DENSIFY THE SITE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S TO REMOVE MAYBE A SMALLER RESTAURANT BUILDING OR TAKE LIKE YOU HINTED AT, TAKE A STORY OFF THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.I MEAN, ALL THOSE ARE ECONOMIC, BUT THAT'S YOU NEED LESS PARKING.
AND IT MAYBE ENABLES YOU TO PRESERVE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SOME AREA OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, PREFERABLY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT AROUND THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE NICE.
A LOT OF THIS. SO WHEN WE JUST LET ME EXPLORE YOUR THOUGHT HERE, CHAIRMAN KUBIAK IS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN PAUL DID THE MATH ON THE PARKING, IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY USE.
RESTAURANTS ARE THE MOST ONEROUS PARKING USERS, YOU KNOW, 10 SPOTS PER THOUSAND, I THINK, PAUL PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO VERSUS OFFICE, WHICH IS THREE POINT FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO MAYBE DURING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE OTHER RESTAURANTS, THEY HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING THAT THE HOTEL HAD TO DO, WHICH WAS KIND OF MANAGE YOUR EMPLOYEE PARKING SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE NINE OR 10 PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE JUST STATIC BEING TAKEN UP BY EMPLOYEES. I'M JUST THROWING IDEAS OUT THERE.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO MITIGATE IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
I STARTED TALKING BEFORE COMMISSIONER PHALEN COULD JUMP IN, SO I'M GOING TO LET HER JUMP IN, I GUESS, WITH ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS OR ANYTHING YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ONE.
I MEAN, I THINK I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
I DEFINITELY LIKE THE SITE PLAN A LOT BETTER.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, WITH THE OLD SITE PLAN BEING LIKE AN OLD SAFE WAY.
I MEAN, I LIKE HAVING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TOGETHER.
I'M NOT SURE I SEE THE KIND OF GREENERY WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HANG OUT LIKE YOU'RE IMPLYING. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE GREENERY.
AND I'M NOT SURE, I GUESS THAT LAST COMMENT ABOUT WHEN THE RESTAURANTS COME WITH THEIR PLANS, KIND OF ASKING THEM TO HAVE IN PLACE GO OFF SITE TO PARK, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN ASK THAT OF THEM. BUT IT'S I MEAN, IT IS A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT IT'S UNDER PARKED A LITTLE BIT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE GREENERY.
BUT OVERALL, I THINK THE SITE PLANS A LOT BETTER.
I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S REALLY TOUGH.
SO WE HAVE AN ADVANTAGE WITH HOTEL BECAUSE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE TO A HOTEL, THEY UBER OR WHATEVER THEY DO FROM THE AIRPORT OR WHEREVER THEY ARE, AND THEY DON'T REALLY PARK THERE. SOME PEOPLE DO, LIKE DR.
SPRINGER WILL COME AND DRIVE THERE.
I THINK SO. AND HE WOULD FOLLOW ALL THE SIGNAGE TO GET THERE.
BECAUSE HE'S A BIG SIGNAGE MAKE SURE WE'LL GET YOU SOME SIGNS.
BUT WE HAVE. SO WE DO YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IN THAT THE STUDIES ALL SHOW THAT MOST PEOPLE GO TO HOTELS AND THEY DON'T ALL THERE'S NOT ALWAYS ONE CAR PER EVERY ROOM.
THERE'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, POINT FOUR CARS PER EVERY ROOM, REALLY.
MAYBE PEOPLE DO UBER TO THE RESTAURANTS ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE. I DON'T I DRIVE.
IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR SOUTHLAKE TO MAYBE CONSIDER A SECOND LOOK AT THE PARKING ORDINANCES WITH RIDESHARING COMING IN.
I KNOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING THAT.
IT'S TOUGH, YOU KNOW, EVEN OFFICES IS A HEAD SCRATCHER BECAUSE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE LIKE THEY USED TO.
MAYBE WE DON'T NEED SO MUCH PARKING, YOU KNOW.
WELL I MEAN IN FAIRNESS, I MEAN, I THINK THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED NOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO MEET THE ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME RELIEF, MEANINGFUL RELIEF FROM THE ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, I THINK I THINK YOU ARE GETTING SOME OF THAT IS IT IS.
I MEAN, I'VE TRIED TO TO IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR ME TO TRY TO REALLY GET MY ARMS AROUND THIS SITE. AND WHAT'S THE RIGHT COMBINATION OF IMPROVEMENTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION. AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGE NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT OVER, YOU KNOW, THE LIST OF, YOU KNOW, TEN TO FIFTEEN MEETINGS THAT DENNIS SHOWED EARLIER IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING OUT LOUD.
I MEAN, I THINK THE THINGS THAT I DO LIKE OR, YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL DOES SEEM TO BE FULL SERVICE. YOU DO SEEM TO HAVE WRITTEN THE REGS OUT THAT SEEM TO CODIFY THAT AND CONFIRM THAT. SO, I MEAN, THE HOTEL DOES FEEL LIKE IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, PARTICULARLY RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, HAVING AN ACCOMPANYING RESTAURANT PAD OUT THERE SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE IN
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TERMS OF SYNERGIES.AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU KIND OF DRESS UP A LITTLE BETTER THE WALKWAY BETWEEN THEM AND NOT JUST HAVE IT BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW STRIPES ON THE PAVEMENT, BUT MAYBE LIKE SOME REAL PAVERS, SOMETHING INVITING A LITTLE BIT MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SPACES FOR CARS, OBVIOUSLY, TO SLOW THEM DOWN WHEN THEY GET THERE.
BUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY, TRULY LINKS IT.
YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE SCALE OF BOTH THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT AND THE ASSOCIATED, YOU KNOW, PARKING NEED.
AND THEN I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE I GUESS THE LOT THREE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN ECONOMICS.
IS THAT REALLY NEEDED ON THE SITE.
OR DOES IT JUST HELP MAKE IT MORE CONGESTED.
IT IS A BIT OF A SHOEHORN, I UNDERSTAND.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ALL THAT CONCEPT TO THE PARKING LOT OVER AT THE MARRIOTT IN SOLANA THAT WHERE THEY HAVE THE COVERED PARKING BUT IT'S NOT A PARKING GARAGE.
AND THEN THEY YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A TRELLIS ON TOP.
AND AT ONE TIME, I'M PRETTY SURE IT HAD LIKE CRAPE MYRTLES OR SOMETHING GROWING OVER IT OR WHATEVER. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO SORT OF CONCENTRATE THE PARKING. BUT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT SOME SORT OF A NATURAL TOP ON IT TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE DECENT, I MEAN.
WE HAD A SITE PLAN THAT HAD KIND OF I WOULD WANT TO CALL IT A WEDGE IN PARKING, ALMOST KIND OF THAT SAME CONCEPT AT SOLANA OR JUST SORT OF UNDERGROUND, BUT NOT REALLY UNDERGROUND. IT'S SORT OF KIND OF UNDERGROUND.
AND WHEN WE TALKED TO OUR CONTRACTOR ABOUT IT, THEY SAID, THAT'S GREAT, WE LOVE BUILDING GARAGES. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE DOWN ANOTHER SWATH OF TREES FOR THEIR FORM WORK AND ACCESS. AND IT BECOME SORT OF LIKE WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT SOLANO, WHICH IS YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL CREEK BEHIND SOLANA, BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S KINDA AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS UP AGAINST IT.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CREEK UNTIL IT TURNS INTO A FLOOD, YOU KNOW, DURING WHEN IT RAINS.
YEAH, YEAH. THEN IT'S LIKE DON'T GO NEAR IT.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT ON OTHER PROJECTS, LIKE THE ONE OVER DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE WE LOOK AT UNDER BUILDING PARKING, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING THINGS LIKE THAT TO KIND OF MINIMIZE THE SEA OF PARKING, WHICH I REALLY DON'T LIKE.
WELL, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SOLANA ONE, IF YOU WOULD, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL OF IT RIGHT NOW AND I PARKED THERE MYSELF BEFORE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO DEAL WITH. AND IT DEFINITELY HIDES THE PARKING.
DON'T FORGET, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTRY SIGN AS WELL.
WELL DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT. HAD A THOUGHT, LOST THE THOUGHT.
LOST IT. OKAY ACTUALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT COMMISSIONER SPRINGER WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO MAYOR TERRELL ACTUALLY COMMENDED US YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
WE WERE THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT BROUGHT IN ACTUAL RENDERINGS OF BUILDINGS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT WAS GREAT.
AND ALL THE GUYS AND OTHER DEVELOPERS HATED US FOR IT.
BUT NOW IT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT'S SORT OF WHAT EVERYBODY DOES.
AND SO IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO RENDER THE PARKING LOT, THE LANDSCAPING IN THE HARDSCAPING AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE OUTSIDE AMENITY AREAS LOOK, AND THEN LIKE COMMISSIONER KUBIAK WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY AS FAR AS PAVERS OR MAYBE IT'S LIGHTED BOLLARDS OR HOW IS THAT MANAGED? NIGHT AND DAY SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT WOULD LOOK MORE APPROPRIATELY THAN JUST KIND OF 2D STUFF WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AND YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE A MATERIALS BOARD, YOUR VISUALS HERE DON'T REALLY GIVE ME A GOOD IDEA.
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WOULD YOU MIND TALKING JUST BECAUSE WHAT I SEE RIGHT NOW LOOKED PRETTY STERILE? YES. MAYBE CAN YOU KIND OF TALK JUST REAL QUICKLY THROUGH WHAT'S I MEAN, THERE'S STONE THERE'S BRICK THERE'S STUCCO IS A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE.I DON'T THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THEM.
WE TRY NOT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BUSY, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS MOSTLY MASONRY AND STONE.
BRICK'S NOT REALLY USED VERY MUCH IN SOUTHLAKE PEOPLE LIKE STONE MORE.
YEAH. I GUESS I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE RENDERINGS ON HERE THAT LOOKED LIKE THE RESTAURANT LEVEL AND LOBBY AND EVERYTHING WAS BRICK.
I THINK IT RENDERED OUT WRONG THOUGH.
OK, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. I THINK THE IDEA IS TO I'LL GET MY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, CHAIRMAN, TO A COUPLE OF YOUR COMMENTS HERE AND REALLY COMMENTS THAT EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE HEARING, IF THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK AT CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WHEN YOU COME IN HERE, YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT CONCRETE, YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT WALKING PATHS. YOU'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF TREES THAT ARE EITHER KEPT IN PLACE OR THAT ARE REPLACED. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, INSTEAD OF A HOTEL SITTING ON A PIECE OF LAND WITH AN OUTBUILDING, THAT'S A RESTAURANT AND ANOTHER BUILDING, THAT'S A RESTAURANT.
THE BETTER YOU CAN INTEGRATE ALL OF THOSE AND MAYBE YOUR IDEA OF A VIDEO RENDERING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WILL HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THE BETTER YOU CAN DO THAT I THINK IT MINIMIZES THE HOUSE ON THE HILL CONCERN THAT I KEEP BRINGING UP. I DO, TOO.
WE'VE USED IT TO GREAT SUCCESS IN THE PAST.
THESE DIDN'T RENDER OUT AS WELL AS WE REALLY WANTED THEM.
WE WERE IN A BIT OF A COVID DON'T DO ANYTHING.
DON'T DO ANYTHING. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. THEN HURRY, HURRY, HURRY UP.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE QUALITY.
WE USUALLY KNOCK THOSE OUT OF THE PARK, BUT YEAH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO RENDER IT UP PHOTOREALISTIC RENDERING WHERE YOU REALLY DO SEE AND THEN IT WOULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING TO KIND OF FLY LIKE LOOK AWAY FROM IT AND BE LIKE UP IN A HELICOPTER, KIND OF THE VIEW LOOKING TO SEE WHAT IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER GREENBELT AND THEN THE OTHER BUILDINGS. THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO INTEGRATING THE LANDSCAPING IN THE TREES INTO THE PLAN SO THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, I ALWAYS GET UPSET WHEN I SEE THE BACK OF THE NEW GARAGE BEHIND WHAT'S NOW [INAUDIBLE] SPACE WHERE YOU DRIVE IN FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST INTO ONE FORT INTO SOUTHLAKE.
AND THEN YOU SEE THIS BIG, GNARLY GARAGE WITH THE WIRE CABLE THING.
AND IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH.
WE DON'T WANT THAT. WE WOULD RATHER PEOPLE NOTICE THE TREES AND THE BUILDINGS AND THE VERSUS THE JUST BUILDINGS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, ON THIS SITE, LIKE THE OTHER SITES WE'VE HAD TO WORK WITH ON KIMBALL FOR OUR OTHER OFFICE PROJECT SITES, YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME TREES OUT TO BUILD BUILDINGS TO PUT THE OTHER NEW TREES BACK.
AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING WHAT WE CALL BUGGY WHIPS OR THE LITTLE TREES.
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE FIVE LITTLE TREES HOPING TO GET CREDIT FOR A BIG TREE THAT I CUT DOWN. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE BEST ONE OF THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR THAT VERY REASON.
AND WE'RE REALLY SENSITIVE TO IT.
OK, YEAH, I'M JUST KIND OF STRUGGLING IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION TO KIND OF PUSH THIS . YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FEEDBACK FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAS BEEN HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS ADMITTEDLY KIND OF TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THE TEA LEAVES RELATIVE TO THE NEXT POTENTIAL STEP AND KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD, IF WE, MOVE SOMETHING ALONG THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT USING TIME WISELY. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IN THE PAST, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON SOME AMOUNT OF TREE PRESERVATION KIND OF IN THAT MIDDLE PART OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPEN AREA, I GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, DENNIS.
MAYBE WHERE. YES, YOU KNOW, THOSE I KNOW.
AND KIND OF THAT RECTANGLE, YELLOW SHAPED AREA GREEN SPACE IS AN AMENITY AREA OR NEW PLANTS I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARKING YOU HAVE TO LOSE AND RETAINING WALLS YOU'D HAVE TO
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ENGAGE IN TO ACTUALLY KEEP EXISTING TREES THERE.I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO JUST THINK THROUGH WHAT HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE TALK POINTS IN PREVIOUS CASES THAT WE KNOW THEY'VE LOOKED FOR.
I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF USING EXISTING, ESPECIALLY AT THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, AND SORT OF PARKING AROUND EXISTING KIND OF WHAT I CALL LEGACY TREES.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T DESERVE TO BE CUT DOWN, TO BE REPLACED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, SO MAYBE WE PARK AROUND THEM, AS YOU SAW FROM THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, THE BULK OF THE TREES ON SITE ARE IN THAT DONUT HOLE.
SO MAYBE WE IN OUR NEXT YOU KNOW, AT COUNCIL SHOW A TREE, YOU GIVE US SOME SORT OF PERCENTAGE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, WE'LL GET OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ENGAGED IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO USE EXISTING AND SUPPLEMENTING WITH NEW, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A BIT OF IN THE MIDDLE THERE AND WHAT I CALL THE DONUT HOLE.
YOU DO HAVE SOME ROOM TO WORK WITH.
YEAH, AND I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IF IT WOULD HELP IN TERMS OF THE SITE DENSITY, I MEAN, IF SEEING VERSIONS OF THIS WITHOUT THAT SMALLER RESTAURANT PAD WOULD HELP WITH ONE LESS FLOOR ON THE HOTEL WOULD HELP.
I KNOW THAT IMPACTS ECONOMICS, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH.
DOES THAT THEREFORE REQUIRE LESS PARKING, WHICH ENABLES YOU TO SAVE MORE OF THE EXISTING TREES? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONE OF THE SMALL ITEMS I HAD ON HERE WAS JUST THE ELIMINATION OF A FEW SPACES, YOU KNOW, ON THE DRIVEWAYS INTO THE SITE, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE ARE VARIANCES RELATED TO THAT.
AND THERE ARE SOME SPACES THAT ARE LIKE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE YOU KIND OF TURN IN AND OUT OF THE SITE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SET UP VERY WELL FOR A GOOD OUTCOME, GIVEN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH ON TO THIS SITE.
SO, I MEAN, I WAS ALREADY GOING TO TRY TO ASK YOU ABOUT A HANDFUL OF SPACES AS IT WAS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF A VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN WITHOUT THAT SMALLER RESTAURANT BUILDING AND MAYBE WITHOUT ONE OF THE FLOORS OF THE HOTEL, SOMETHING THAT DE-DENSIFIES THINGS A LITTLE BIT AND GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY RELATIVE TO TRYING TO KEEP SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES AND PARKING.
I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH SOMETHING HERE THAT GET THEIR TEETH INTO AND START TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE INTO SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
YEAH. IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TO KEEP THE TREES. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS SITE IS THE FACT THAT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ON TOP OF THE HILL. SO NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH TREES EITHER IN WELLS OR RETAINING WALLS AROUND THEM.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT REALLY CAREFUL AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET A SPOT THAT YOU ACTUALLY CAN GET A BUILDING SITE ON.
ELSE, YOU'VE GOT TO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE JUST LIKE HUGE GRADE CHANGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF THE GENERAL THOUGHT IS YOU JUST COME IN AND GRADE THE TOP OFF AND MAKE IT FLAT AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
YEAH. AND MY HOPE IF THERE IS A WAY TO KEEP SOME OF THOSE, BECAUSE PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS TRYING TO DISGUISE SOME OF THE PARKING, PARTICULARLY RELATIVE FROM THE FREEWAY TO THE EXTENT THOSE TREES ARE KIND OF UP AND CAN KIND OF SERVE AS A BUFFER AND A VISUAL.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE A FOREST OF TREES UP ON THE TOP OF THE HILL THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, IN ADDITION TO THE SIGN I'M GETTING THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING ON 114 IS NEVER IDEAL.
BUT AGAIN, RELATIVE TO SITE CONDITIONS LIKE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS. BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN AS MUCH ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AS YOU CAN PUT ALONG THERE AND THINGS LIKE BERMS, I MEAN, IF THE TREES ARE ALREADY COMING OUT, I MEAN, IF THERE'S BERMING OR JUST WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO DISGUISE THAT, AT LEAST THE IMMEDIATELY ONES ALONG 114 AND [INAUDIBLE] AND OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. THAT CAN KIND OF HELP FURTHER HIDE SOME OF THE PARKING BEHIND IT.
AND PART OF THIS AND I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS QUICK TURNAROUNDS, BUT ADMITTEDLY AND AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS AT YOUR DISCRETION IN TERMS IF YOU'D WANT TO TABLE IT OR NOT.
BUT IF YOU DID, YOU WOULDN'T BE MISSING OUT ON A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IF YOU BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, GIVEN THAT CITY COUNCIL'S NOT GOING TO MEET ON THE THIRD SO.
NO I'M GOING TO MAKE THEM MEET.
[LAUGHTER] YEAH WE WILL LET THE MAYOR, KNOW THAT SHE'LL ENJOY THAT.
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YEAH. SHE'LL LIKE THAT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE ON THIS SITE PLAN.I DON'T KNOW IF I'D GET RID OF THE SMALLER.
I'D PROBABLY SHRINK THE BIGGER ONE.
RIGHT. AND WITH, IN ALL HONESTY, TAKING THAT FLOOR OFF THE HOTEL.
AT THAT POINT, THE CAMBRIA IS ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE KEYS.
RIGHT. THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER SUITE PRODUCT IN SOUTHLAKE.
AT THAT POINT, THE EMBASSY SUITES IN GRAPEVINE IS THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY NINE KEYS SO IF I TAKE A FLOOR OFF OF OUR HOTEL, I WOULD BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE HAMPTON INN IN TROPHY CLUB, WHICH IS 94 KEYS.
AND THEN I WOULD ALSO BE A LITTLE SMALLER THAN THE HILTON GARDEN INN IN GRAPEVINE, WHICH IS ONE HUNDRED AND TEN KEYS.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO ALL THIS, BUT THE SITE KIND OF IS THE SIZE IT IS AND IT'S YOUR REQUEST TO PUT RESTAURANT PADS ON HERE.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I HEAR YOU, BUT SOME OF THAT'S WITHIN YOUR CONTROL.
SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU NEED TO PICK YOUR POISON.
I GUESS, IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF RESTAURANT PADS, SIZE OF RESTAURANT PADS AND USE THOSE, YOU KNOW IN THE ABILITY TO TRY TO LESSEN THE NEED FOR PARKING, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MORE PRESERVATION POTENTIALLY OF TREES AND TOPOGRAPHY.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF THE MESSENGERS UP HERE TONIGHT TO GET SHOT AT, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ROUND OF MESSENGERS AFTER US THAT HAVE BIGGER GUNS AND SHOOT REALLY STRAIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO KIND OF CRAFT SOMETHING THAT COULD LEAD TO A PRODUCTIVE DIALOG, YOU KNOW, AT THAT LEVEL.
AND I WOULD SAY JUST MAKE SURE WE HIT ON THE SIGN THAT IS I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A GATEWAY. THIS IS AN ENTRY WAY INTO THE CITY.
I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE OLD SIGN WASN'T THAT BAD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONERS' THOUGHT.
I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS TO STAY AS IT IS.
CAN I GET IN WRITING THAT YOU JUST SAID THE WORDS, I LOVE THAT SIGN.
IT'S PART OF A A LAID OUT SCHEME.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS THING FROM ABOVE, IT ACTUALLY IS ARCHITECTURE.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING SIGN, AREN'T YOU, DR.
SPRINGER? YEAH, WELL, I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE WALL, THE SIGN IS ON.
OKAY. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE RENDERING FROM PREVIOUS DEVELOPER.
NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT'S THERE NOW.
I DON'T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE WALL.
I LIKE THE WALL. OKAY. YEAH, GOOD.
YEAH, I KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE THE SOUTHLAKE MEADOWS.
I MEAN, I LIKED HAVING THE SOUTHLAKE NAME WITHIN IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THIS IS WHERE IT GETS SUBJECTIVE.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS KEY OBVIOUSLY.
AND I THINK YOU ZEROED IN ON IT PRETTY QUICK THAT THIS SIGN IS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NAME IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, I GUESS I'D WORK WITH STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR OR AGAINST, INCLUDING THE NAME SOUTHLAKE IN THE CENTER.
DIRECTOR BAKER. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE A PREFERENCE.
CAN I INTERRUPT YOU BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT KEN? OK, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION.
OUR INTENTION IS TO MAKE IT A GATEWAY ENTRY FEATURE FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE.
YEAH. OKAY KEN? YEAH, I THINK HISTORICALLY AT LEAST PREVIOUS COUNCIL, BECAUSE YOU REALLY IT'S SOMETIMES TOUGH TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SOUTHLAKE SIDE AND THE WESTLAKE SIDE COMING DOWN THE HIGHWAY THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS LIKED THE SOUTHLAKE IDENTIFIED.
I THINK ON THE VARIDESK, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE PILLAR SIGN THAT HAS SOUTHLAKE ON IT.
OK, SO I'D ASK THE APPLICANT, GIVEN THAT SENTIMENT THAT WAS JUST EXPRESSED, THAT WHATEVER IS KIND OF IMAGINED THERE TO KIND OF WORK THAT SENTIMENT AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GET YOU AS READY AS POSSIBLE FOR ANOTHER LEVEL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A PREFERENCE, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND. SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S THE SENTIMENT YOU TAKE IS KIND OF KEEPING A LOT OF THE EXISTING SIGN BUILDING ON IT IN TERMS OF THE NAMING AND THEN WHATEVER DISTINGUISHING ASPECTS FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WOULD MAYBE THERE'S A COMMITTEE OR A TASK FORCE PUT TOGETHER TO KIND OF HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A HUGELY IMPORTANT SIGNPOST.
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YEAH, OK. I CAN'T IMAGINE PUTTING OUR NAME OF OUR DEVELOPMENT ON IT.NO THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND THE OTHER THING I GUESS I'D ASK OPINION OF COMMISSIONERS ON IS IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE TWO PAD SITES, IT WAS NOT SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT THEY COULD OR COULD NOT BE.
I GUESS MY STRAW MAN WAS GOING TO BE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS ONLY NOT ANYTHING THAT EVER COULD BE A DRIVE THRU OR A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING OR A BANK, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN OTHER OPINIONS ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK I WANT A BANK OR A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT ON A SMALLER PAD SITE, I COULD SEE THAT BEING MORE OF A CASUAL BREAKFAST CAFEISH, MAYBE SOMETHING ESPECIALLY AT THE HOTEL RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY IF WHISKEY CAKE GOES IN THE LARGER SPACE, BUT I MEAN, FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT IS SIT DOWN, MAYBE THE RIGHT WAY, MAYBE TO KIND OF PHRASE THAT.
BUT ELIMINATION WOULD DRIVE THROUGH ALMOST DICTATES AS A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.
SO HOW ABOUT MAYBE WE MEET IN THE MIDDLE.
NO, DRIVE THROUGH AND THAT PROBABLY HOPEFULLY ADDRESSES.
AND WE DEFINITELY DID NOT CONTEMPLATE A DRIVE THROUGH ANYTHING ON THIS SITE.
OKAY. I CAN SEE LIKE A REALLY COOL COFFEE SHOP.
YEAH. SOMETHING POSSIBLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD ON MY LIST.
I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING IN MY NOTES, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WENT OVER? AND I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE SPECS YOU'D PUT IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AVERAGE ROOM SIZE FITNESS CENTER SIZE, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, SPECS ON THE RESTAURANT HOURS TIMES OF DAY.
I MEAN, SO IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TO CODIFY THAT IN TERMS OF JUST FULL SERVICE HOTEL.
WELL, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN WE SORT OF TOOK THIS OVER THAT THE LAST PLAN WAS NOT IDEAL.
THREE RESTAURANTS OR MORE THAN THE LIMITED SERVICE AND THE SAFEWAY AND ALL THIS STUFF WE JUST SAID, WE GOT TO THROW ALL THAT OUT.
SO IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT, I GUESS AND I PROMISE IT PROBABLY DOESN'T FEEL THIS WAY, BUT I PROMISE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO KIND OF WORK TOWARDS SOME FEEDBACK THAT WOULD HELPFUL. APPRECIATE THAT.
ALBEIT IT'S A STRUGGLE THE SITE'S JUST A STRUGGLE.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU KIND OF HAVE WHAT YOU NEED IN TERMS OF MAYBE TAKING AND MAYBE IT COULD BE LIKE A COUPLE DIFFERENT STABS AT SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, OPTIONS ARE ALWAYS KIND OF HELPFUL IN TERMS OF VISUALLY SEEING IT, SOMETHING THAT AND YOU'VE HEARD VARYING SENTIMENT HERE, WHETHER IT'S TWO PADS REMAINING THERE, TWO RESTAURANT PADS, BUT THEY'RE SMALLER OR MAYBE IT'S ONE PAD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT DE-DENSIFIES THE SITE HELPS FOR PARKING, SOMETHING THAT MAYBE PRESERVES SOME TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. I GUESS WE'LL SAY.
POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT TAKES A FLOOR OFF THE HOTEL, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DO WITH THE RESTAURANT PADS.
I MEAN, ARE YOU KIND OF GETTING SOME OF THE SENTIMENT THERE IN TERMS OF JUST MAYBE A COUPLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO LOOK AT OR TRY? AND AGAIN, IT'S YOUR YOUR CALL.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR A VOTE, BUT IF YOU ARE AMENABLE TO TABLING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COMING BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE KIND OF HASH THROUGH IT AGAIN AND TO THE EXTENT WE CAN GET SOMEWHERE ON IT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY PUT YOU IN LINE FOR THE MID-NOVEMBER COUNCIL MEETING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
WELL, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I RESPECT EVERYONE'S OPINION AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. ANDWE'RE MORE OF RIGHT GUYS VERSUS RIGHT NOW GUYS.
SO MY GUT TELLS ME WITHOUT TALKING TO ANYBODY ELSE AROUND ME, THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD DO.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH STILL GOING ON.
I DO KNOW THAT IF I TAKE A FLOOR OFF, I LOSE THE HILTON RIGHT.
AND I DO KNOW THAT I CAN SPREAD OUT AND MAYBE STILL MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S, TO YOUR POINT, IDEAL IF WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT RIGHT HERE AT 8:46 P.M.
TONIGHT. YEAH. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE DELAYED COUNCIL MEETING, THE EXTENT YOU CAN GO BACK
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AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE PRESSURE POINTS ARE TO TRY TO MEET SOME OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.AND AGAIN, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST LISTED OFF SOME OF THEM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SIGN WE TALKED ABOUT BERMING OR LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FREEWAY, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT USES, I GUESS WE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, NON DRIVE THROUGH USE WITHIN PERMITTABLE USES. SURE.
ACTUALLY, YOU MENTIONED KIND OF THE SHIELDING ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD COMMENT JUST GIVEN IT'S GOING BE REALLY VISIBLE.
AND I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING.
DID WE HIT ON ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE YOU DO ACTUALLY FALL IN LOVE WITH ONE NEW VERSION.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE MAYBE TWO, THAT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
YEAH, I MEAN, AND COUNCIL ALWAYS LOVES THAT, TOO.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN MAYBE GRAVITATE AROUND ONE, PUSH IT FORWARD.
THEY CAN AT LEAST SEE WHAT ELSE WAS, YOU KNOW, REVIEWED AND TRY TO AT LEAST DO OUR BEST TO SEND THEM SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL, YOU KNOW, PUT OUR THINKING CAP ON.
AND IT'S A TOUGH SITE, BUT WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
ANYTHING ELSE. ANYBODY WOULD KIND OF PUT ON THAT LIST.
I'VE GOT AN IDEA HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER TAKING A FLOOR OFF? WOULD YOU CONSIDER ELIMINATING THAT SMALLER BUILDING? WHY DON'T YOU PUT A LITTLE BEND IN THE HOTEL AND TAKE IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, TAKE IT DOWN TO FIVE STORIES AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME MORE ROOMS AS PART OF A CONTIGUOUS BUILDING IS A CONSIDERATION.
BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE SITE HERE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DID THAT, I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ELIMINATE SOME TREES PROBABLY, AND YOU COULD PICK UP SOME MORE ROOMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE BY TAKING THE FLOOR OFF.
SO JUST I MEAN, I'M NOT IN YOUR BUSINESS THAT JUST JUMPED AT ME.
AND YOU MAY LOOK AT THAT AND SAY IT'S THE DUMBEST IDEA I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I [INAUDIBLE] AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND KEEPING IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING.
AND I ALSO DON'T SEE THE PEOPLE HANGING OUT IN THE KIDS PLAYING IN THE TREES.
IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT IN THE REDESIGN AND MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE HANGOUT AREA, IF YOU WILL. I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHERE.
BUT I THINK THAT IS A SPECTACULAR COMMENT.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO ENVISION TO SAVE SOME.
I MEAN, THAT WAS THE THING THAT KEPT RESIGNATING IN MY HEAD IS ONE OR BOTH OF THESE RESTAURANT PADS HAVING THAT OUTDOOR AREA CONNECTED TO IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS PLAY AREA IN THE MIDDLE CONNECTED TO IT.
CITY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THIS WONDERFUL OPEN SPACE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF CENTRAL MARKET THAT NO ONE EVER USES BECAUSE IT IS SURROUNDED BY A SIX LANE ROAD AND A BUNCH OF PARKING. YEAH, SURE.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE TRY TO MAYBE AVOID THAT SITUATION HERE AND TAKE THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WORK REALLY HARD TO PRESERVE AND CONNECT IT TO A RESTAURANT SOMEHOW IN SOME MANNER.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMENT, TOO.
YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HANG OUT WITH ALL OF OUR FRIENDS OVER AT LARRY'S PIZZA HUT, OVER IN GRAPEVINE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S AN EMPTY LOT NEXT TO IT.
AND BECAUSE LARRY WANTS LIKE 80 DOLLARS A FOOT FOR IT AND SO NOTHING IS THERE.
BUT THE KIDS GO HANG OUT THERE.
SO WE ALL HANG OUT AND EAT PIZZA.
THEY'RE DONE AND THEY GO PLAY.
AND IT'S FUN BECAUSE YOU CAN WATCH THEM AND SEE THEM.
SO, YEAH, I AGREE. YOU DON'T WANT TO REALLY WATCH THEM GOING ACROSS A PARKING LOT IN A TREE LIKE WHERE'S THE KIDS.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THE SHIELDING IMPACT WOULD BE NICE, BUT I THINK EVEN BETTER OR IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT WOULD BE SPECTACULAR IF PART OF IT WAS AT LEAST USABLE.
SO, OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
NO, WE APPRECIATE YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND TRYING TO WORK WITHIN IT AS BEST AS YOU CAN.
AND I PROMISE WHERE IT MAY NOT ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT UP HERE TO REALLY FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
NO, I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU GUYS ARE AND WE DO APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
AND LIKE I SAID, SOUNDS LIKE [INAUDIBLE] TO US.
SO YOU GOT TO TREAT EVERY SITE THAT YOU GOT WITH THE MOST CAREFUL THOUGHT AND CARE YOU CAN. SO WE APPRECIATE IT.
OK, WELL, I GUESS WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED A HEARING, RIGHT? WHAT DO I DO. OH YEAH SEE.
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THOSE ARE ONE FOOT CONTOURS, MOST OF OUR TOPOGRAPHY IS TWO FOOT CONTOURS, BUT IT'S.SO THAT IS CORRECTED FOR THE RECORD.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? I WAS ACTUALLY JUST TELLING SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY, I'VE ONLY HEARD DENNIS SAY THE WORDS, I DON'T KNOW, ONE TIME, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NIGHT.
I'VE HEARD HIM SAY IT WHEN I SAID, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, DENNIS? AND HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T. THAT'S RIGHT.
[LAUGHTER] OK, NO, THANK YOU AGAIN.
APPRECIATE IT. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LIKELY ENTERTAIN HERE IN A FEW MINUTES A MOTION AT THE APPLICANTS REQUEST TO TABLE THIS TO OUR NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
AND I WILL LEAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL OUR NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING.
DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? OK, GOOD.
ENTERTAIN THE MOTION AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
OK, MR. CHAIRMAN, ITEM NUMBER ZA18-006 A ZONING CHANGE AND CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR CREEKSIDE POINT AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND TABLE IT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 5TH PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
OKAY LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR WORKING WITH US.
AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR KIND OF CHEWING THROUGH THIS ONE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S BEEN A BATTLE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS.
SO THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.