Nov 05, 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission

[WORK SESSION]

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FEW MINUTES THERE, WE CAN'T START BEFORE 6:30, SO WE NEEDED TO WAIT TO THE SHOT CLOCK GOT GOING HERE. MY NAME IS DAN KUBIAK.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY SOUTHLAKE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS EVENING ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA.

I'LL JUST STATE, AS YOU CAN TELL, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS YET, POST COVID, WE ARE DOING THESE AS SAFELY AS WE CAN.

YOU CAN TELL WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS SPREAD OUT AND CITY STAFF SPREAD OUT AND WE'VE TRIED TO ALLOW FOR SPACING IN THE GALLERY.

SO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE EXERCISE ALL THE CAUTION THAT YOU FEEL NECESSARY SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HOPEFULLY HAVE THESE IN PERSON, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE THEY'RE DEFINITELY MORE PRODUCTIVE AND HOPEFULLY PROBABLY MORE ENJOYABLE IN PERSON.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MADE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.

WON'T HAVE THE NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.

SO I GUESS I'LL GO STRAIGHT TO ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS, SEE IF STAFF HAS ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY.

AND I GUESS WE'LL GO OUT AND LAUNCH INTO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR MEETING THAT WE HAD ON OCTOBER 22ND, WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR EDITS OTHERWISE? I'LL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2020.

THANK YOU. MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND.

OK, LET'S GO AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND IT APPEARS TO PASS, I THINK IT SAYS FIVE ZERO WITH ONE PERSON ABSTAINING.

SO EVEN THOUGH THE SCREEN DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S STATING THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE VOTE, FIVE ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION.

SO THERE WE GO.

OK, NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

AND FIRST ITEM THERE IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE, HEARD ON OUR AGENDA AT OUR LAST MEETING.

HOWEVER, IT WAS TABLED, I THINK, DUE TO LACK OF APPLICANT.

SO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS FOR STAFF ON THE QUESTION, I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN TERMS OF AT LEAST WHAT THE REQUEST IS.

SO WE PROBABLY WON'T GO FORMALLY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AGAIN LIKE WE DID AT OUR LAST MEETING. BUT ARE THERE ANY ANY MAYBE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? AT THIS TIME.

AND DENNIS, JUST TO MAKE SURE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THE MOST RECENT NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK, I KNOW, I THINK I SAW IT ON OUR ON OUR DESK WHEN WE CAME IN.

I THINK I THINK ARE THERE FOUR WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING ALL THE CASE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE. NO, NO, NO, PROBABLY NOT.

I THINK THERE ARE THREE IN FAVOR.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND I GUESS IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO IT? DO I HAVE THE RIGHT COUNT? CHECKING.

I KNOW WE HAD AT LEAST TWO IN OUR STAFF REPORT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SAW THAT THERE WAS A THIRD. I DO NOT SHOW ANY 916 LAKE [INAUDIBLE] IN SUPPORT.

OH, OK. LOOKS LIKE THERE'S DUPLICATES.

NEVER MIND. OK, THERE'S TWO.

YOU'RE CORRECT. 916 AND 833 LAKE [INAUDIBLE].

SO OK.

STILL TWO OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE MAYBE CALL THE APPLICANT UP AS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THIS ITEM. THEY'RE NOT.

STRIKE TWO, WE SPOKE DIRECTLY WITH THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING THE MEETING, AND IT WAS THEIR BELIEF SOMEONE HAD BEEN HERE FOR THE MEETING..

WE CONFIRMED WITH HIM. OK.

THE MEETING FOR TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, AND THEN I THINK THAT IF THEY HAPPEN TO SHOW UP BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE MEETING, WE COULD RECONSIDER IT AT THAT POINT.

YEAH, I MEAN. WANT TO JUST LEAVE IT OPEN.

OK, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT OPEN.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME REMEMBER TO CLOSE THAT BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT OUR MEETING, BECAUSE I MIGHT FORGET AND I GUESS JUST RESTATING FOR THE RECORD THAT ASSUMING WE DON'T FIND AN APPLICANT, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TABLE IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON NOVEMBER 19TH, WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR.

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I SUPPOSE WE CAN WE HAVE IT OPEN, WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, I SUPPOSE, BECAUSE THAT IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OK, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, SIR, WHY DON'T YOU I WAS GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS PROTOCOL EARLIER.

THERE'S A MICROPHONE OVER HERE RIGHT NEXT TO CITY STAFF.

IF YOU COULD JUST GO OVER TO THE MICROPHONE, SORRY, OVER RIGHT BEHIND CITY STAFF.

AND THIS LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE MAYBE.

YES, SIR. WOW.

WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT, SIR, DO YOU MIND? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY.

NO. AND IF WE JUST GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING SOLAR CASES I'VE DONE SO FAR.

OK, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THE PRESENTATION, SIR.

WE'VE ALREADY HEARD CITY STAFF PRESENTATION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE THE APPLICANT.

DO YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND MAYBE JUST LET US KNOW ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ON THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M SAM [INAUDIBLE] WITH MISSION SOLAR.

MY ADDRESS 7007 HILLWOOD DRIVE SACHSE, TEXAS.

THIS IS A RATHER STANDARD INSTALL WE'RE DOING.

TH [INAUDIBLE] PANELS BLACK ON BLACK.

THERE WILL BE NO SILVER FRAMING OR REFLECTIVE SURFACES.

THEY'RE PRETTY MATTE. THEY'RE GOING ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME, NOT FACING THE STREET AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT.

NO, NO, NO QUESTIONS.

OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

IF WE HAVE ANY DELIBERATIONS AND WE NEED YOU, WE WILL CALL YOU BACK UP.

OK, THANK YOU. OK.

AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ONE PERSON IN OUR GALLERY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SO IF WE JUST GIVE HIM A SECOND TO MAKE HIS WAY OVER TO THE MICROPHONE HERE.

AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR, WHEN YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU TYPICALLY GET THREE MINUTES.

WE'LL GIVE YOU THE HONOR SYSTEM HERE THAT YOU'LL NEED LESS THAN THAT.

OH, I WILL. JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

MY NAME IS TOM [INAUDIBLE].

I'M THE DEVELOPER SADDLEBACK RIDGE ESTATES, AND I LIVE AT 5025 PRESERVATION AVENUE IN [INAUDIBLE] AND JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

AND I JUST POSED THE QUESTION AND MAYBE IT'S NOT ANSWERABLE HERE IN THIS SESSION.

HOW DOES THIS SQUARE UP WITH HOA REQUIREMENTS? DOES THIS SUIT SUPERSEDE IT? I COULD GIVE YOU A REALLY ROUGH ANSWER ON THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO ALLOW CITY STAFF TO MAYBE GIVE A BETTER ANSWER, I GUESS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MAYBE BEFORE I GO AND SIT DOWN AND SAY, OK, OK.

WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SEAT. I WANT TO BEFORE I START TO ANSWER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO JUST OPEN IT UP, SEE IF ANYONE ELSE PUBLIC HEARINGS STILL OPEN, IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME AND COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

OTHERWISE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WHEN I DO, IT'S CLOSED ON THIS ITEM.

SO ANY LAST CHANCE.

OK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DENNIS, OR KEN, YOU GUYS MIND ADDRESSING THAT, THAT QUICK COMMENT ABOUT HOAS AND SOLAR PANELS? THIS IS SEPARATE FROM ANY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION REGULATIONS THAT MAY PERTAIN TO SOLAR PANELS FOR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL SOLAR PANELS IN THE CITY.

IT DOES REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

AND IF THERE IS ANY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION REGULATIONS, THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING STATE LAW PROHIBITS A OWNERS ASSOCIATION FROM OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING THEM AND BUT DOES ALLOW REASONABLE STANDARDS TO BE APPLIED UNDER THOSE THOSE COVENANTS.

OK THANK YOU STAFF.

HOLD ON ONE SEC. OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I JUST OPEN UP DELIBERATION ON THIS ONE? OK, YEAH, WE I THINK WE DELIBERATED A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL JUST NOTE AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, DOES SEEM TO BE LIKE THERE'S TWO NEIGHBORS IN SUPPORT AND NO ADJACENT OPPOSITION.

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WHOEVER WANTS TO JUMP IN FIRST.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S IN PLAIN SIGHT OF TWO MAJOR STREETS.

AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S AWAY FROM THE STREETS, IT'S STILL EXTREMELY VISIBLE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

I MEAN, WE LOVE SOLAR ENERGY, BUT AND I KNOW I DO, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR IT.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER THOUGHTS OR COMMISSIONER FEELING WE WILL GO AROUND.

I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGER.

I THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY LIKE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR A HOMEOWNER.

UNFORTUNATELY, JUST BEING VISIBLE FROM TWO STREETS, NO TREE COVERAGE, VERY TALL BUILDINGS. SO I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN SUPPORT.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER.

I GOT TWO QUESTIONS.

NUMBER ONE, I DON'T T SEE ANY FEEDBACK, PRO OR CON FROM THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH I THINK IS GENERALLY A CONSIDERATION THAT WE'D LOOK AT AND WHETHER THERE'S BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THAT NEIGHBOR.

NUMBER TWO, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

THE THE THING THAT STRUCK ME IS THIS ONE, UNLIKE A LOT OF THE CASES WE GET, DOES NOT DIRECTLY FACE A STREET.

AND I THINK WHY YOU COULD PROBABLY YOU CLEARLY COULD SEE IT BECAUSE THE LACK OF LANDSCAPING OR VEGETATION, IT DOESN'T TROUBLE ME THE WAY THAT SOME OF THESE DO SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO STREETS.

AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME OR AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT DOES FACE ONE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.

I'D SURE LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH FEELS AND WHETHER THEY'VE EXPRESSED ANY ANY POSITION ON IT.

YEAH, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THAT I THINK COULD BE THROWN IN THE APPLICANTS LAP HERE. I GUESS, AS WE GO FORWARD, COMMISSIONERS FORMAN OR DYCHE, ANY COMMENT LOOKS LIKE.

AND WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND, SIR.

WE'LL GET TO YOU A SECOND. BUT WHEN WE CALL YOU UP HERE, WE RATHER YOU DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

SURE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD ON THIS HOUSE. SO I'M FINE WITH IT WHERE IT IS.

YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, WAS ABSENT ANY NEIGHBOR OPPOSITION, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK WE'RE ALL FOR OR AT LEAST I'M YOU KNOW, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE GOAL HERE OF SOLAR POWER, SOLAR POWER, SOME HOUSES IT CLEARLY GOES ON BETTER THAN OTHERS.

IT FEELS LIKE THIS HOUSE IS MAKING THE BEST ATTEMPT IT CAN.

THEN YOU GET MORE INTO AESTHETICS, WHICH ADMITTEDLY GETS SUBJECTIVE.

AND I'M AS LONG AS THEY MAKE THEIR BEST EFFORT, I'M ACTUALLY FINE WITH IT, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THERE'S OTHER VIEWPOINTS TO IT.

SO I CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT.

I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP BECAUSE YOU HEARD THIS FEEDBACK AND IT IS WHAT WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES THIS EVENING.

BUT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, IT'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK THAT YOU'LL HEAR THERE AS WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON ANY OF THIS.

THERE ARE OTHER HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FACING THE STREET WITH SOLAR INSTALLS.

[1. Call to Order.]

THERE'S ALREADY A SOLAR INSTALL AND IT'S ACTUALLY POLYCRYSTALLINE WITH THE SILVER AND THE BLUE GLASS AND COMPLETELY SHINING AND NOT LOOKING VERY ATTRACTIVE.

THIS IS THE MATT BLACK ON BLACK.

IT'S ACTUALLY NOT FACING THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, IT COMES WITH DEALING WITH HOAS.

WE ALWAYS COOPERATE WITH HOAS ALWAYS WE ALWAYS DO WHATEVER PAPERWORK OR HOOPS THAT JUMP THROUGH. BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A FEDERAL REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT PROHIBIT HOAS FROM DICTATING PRETTY MUCH ANY WAY ANY LONGER OTHER THAN MOUNTING ON THE GROUND IN THE FRONT YARD. AND THAT WAS PASSED IN 2018.

YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CITY LEVEL, WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT THE ONLY THING I KNOW THAT'S GOT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON EVEN FRONT FACING ROOFS AT THIS POINT IS ALLEN, BECAUSE THE NON REFLECTIVE SURFACES, WHICH ARE THE [INAUDIBLE] PANELS AT THIS POINT. SO WE ALWAYS INSTALL THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE THEM AS UNOBSTRUCTIVE AND ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE.

BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, WOULD ASK THE COMMITTEE, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE NEW PANELS LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THERE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOOK TO THE NEW PANELS, WHICH ARE A

[5. Consider: Approval of the minutes for the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on October 22, 2020.]

THEY DON'T HAVE SILVER TRIM, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

BUT THERE'S ALREADY PANELS ON THAT STREET, SEVERAL HOUSES DOWN FACING DIRECTLY THE STREET.

AND HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY AND WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES.

AND DEPENDING ON HOW THE VOTE GOES, YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE THE POTENTIAL OPTION TO MOVE IT ON THE COUNCIL AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.

WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME HOMEWORK FOR YOU IS, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST A COUPLE OF US ON HERE THAT ARE SOMEWHAT GLASS HALF FULL BASED ON THE NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER MADE A GOOD POINT.

I THINK FIRST THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU OR THE HOMEOWNER SHOULD REACH OUT TO THE, YOU

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YOU KNOW, I THINK TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE HOA

[6. Consider: Resolution No. 20-044, (ZA20-0051), Specific Use Permit for a Residential Solar Energy System]

THIRD THING IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HOW YOURS LOOKS VISUALLY BETTER ARE NICE, BUT IT'S INCUMBENT UPON YOU TO TO HELP US SEE THAT, MAYBE HAVE SOME PICTURES AND PRESENTATION AND SOME KIND OF SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT IT CAN BE VISUALIZED.

AND THEN LASTLY, TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE OTHER HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF CAN ACTUALLY HELP WITH THIS, PICTURES OF THAT AND LOCATIONS ALSO HELP AS WELL.

SO I THINK TO THE EXTENT YOU MIX ALL OF THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU CAN AT LEAST HELP PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'LL VOTE, BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD ADVISE YOU OH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SHOW UP AND SHOW UP ON TIME.

SO, YEAH, I WAS HERE LAST TIME AND GOT TOTALLY CONFUSED, YOU GUYS PRIOR TO 6:30 AND YOU GUYS DID IT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH AND I WAS LIKE, OH, OK, WE'RE DONE.

I TEXTED MY OFFICE AND I LEFT.

THIS IS THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE NOTHING'S THAT EASY.

SO YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT, OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT WHILE WE HAVE HIM UP HERE? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT.

AND IF JUST ANYTHING GOES AND YOU JUST SAY, OH, WELL, THERE'S ONE DOWN THE STREET.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S NOT A VALID ARGUMENT.

SO WE TRY TO BE AS CAREFUL AS WE CAN ABOUT PUTTING THESE THINGS UP THERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY IT'S MATTE BLACK, IT DOESN'T REFLECT, IT REFLECTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT REFLECTS SOMEWHAT.

RIGHT. BUT NOT LIKE BEFORE.

BEFORE IT WAS AWFUL. YEAH.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I AM A BIG PROPONENT OF SOLAR ENERGY AND I'M AN AIR CONDITIONING CONTRACTOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF INTO THE GREEN THING MYSELF.

BUT THERE'S JUST PLACES IT FITS AND PLACES THAT IT DOESN'T.

SURE. NOW, I WILL RESPOND TO THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT BOTTOM LEFT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER SHOT IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD SHOT OF THE WHOLE AREA.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE HOME AND IN THE STREET.

SO, YOU KNOW, MENTION THAT THIS IS QUITE FAR BACK OFF THAT STREET THAT WE'RE MENTIONING.

AND WITH THEM FACING SIDEWAYS, I MEAN, LITERALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BECOME IN A VERY SPECIFIC ANGLE TO GET A GOOD SHOT OF THOSE PANELS.

BEING ON A SECOND STORY, YOU KNOW, THESE SHOTS ARE TAKEN FROM GROUND LEVEL, SOMEONE STANDING ACROSS THE STREET AND IT'S A STABLE SHOT, YOU KNOW, DRIVING AND DRIVING AND SO FORTH SHOULDN'T REALLY OBSTRUCT ANYTHING.

BUT SO YOU BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS.

WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE PHOTOGRAPHY TO THE HOUSE THAT I'M REFERRING TO THAT IS FACING THE STREET. BUT I HEAR YOUR POINT ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT.

BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PRECEDENT.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FACING THE STREET.

WE'RE FACING SIDEWAYS.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A VERY SLIGHT SHOT OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THE HOMES IN SOUTHLAKE THAT ARE THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT ARE REACHING OUT TO US. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SITUATION EVERY TIME.

WE SET THE PRECEDENT THAT [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A TWO STORY HOME WITHOUT LARGE TREES AROUND IT.

WELL, THAT IS THE PERFECT SETUP FOR SOLAR.

IF PANELS ARE OBSTRUCTED, THEN SOLAR BECOMES A CHALLENGE.

WE SAW A REALLY INTERESTING CASE RECENTLY WHERE THEY PUT IT ON TOP OF A PERGOLA, WHICH WAS . OH, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. OH, YES.

SO, I MEAN, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES.

WELL, WE'LL DELIBERATE.

WE ALREADY KIND OF HAVE WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT FOR COUNCIL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW TO PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD WITH THEM. SO I THINK I'D SAY I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT WHY ON YOUR DESIGN THAT YOU'VE GOT THE LAYOUT, THAT YOU HAVE EVERYTHING AND A PORTRAIT MODE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TOP LAYER WHERE THREE OF THEM ARE LAYING DOWN LANDSCAPE AND YOU GOT ONE JUST STANDING UP.

WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? IT'S NOT OH, I SEE.

OK, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HANGING OVER THE RIDGE OF A HOME OF THE ROOF.

THERE'S A ROOF LINE THERE. SO THEY ARE FITTING IN THAT LAST PANEL LIKE THAT.

THEY COULD MAKE ALL THREE VERTICAL.

AND I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION AS WELL.

I THINK THAT WAY WOULD MATCH.

A BIT MORE SYMMETRICAL. YEAH, I AGREE.

YEAH, I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD HOMEWORK ITEM FOR YOU.

HOW THEY'RE HOW THEY'RE LOCATED.

AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSIONER IS TRYING TO SAY IS THE CLEANER, THE LOOK, THE THE THE HIGHER LIKELIHOOD IT MIGHT BE FAVORABLY RECEIVED.

YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF AND ACTUALLY I'VE SEEN THE TWO SPOTS, WHICH IS VERY HARD TO SEE FROM HERE IF I'M SEEING THEM NOW.

YOU PROBABLY GOT EXHAUST PIPES THERE.

IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

YOU'VE GOT EXHAUST PIPES THERE. WELL, DEPENDING ON THE EXHAUST PIPE.

YOU CAN CUT AND LAY OVER IT.

BUT IT'S LIKE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE A DRYER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FOR VENTILATION FOR [INAUDIBLE] YEAH, OK.

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YEAH. OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD SIR.

THANK YOU. SO WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF DELIBERATED ON THIS.

I SUPPOSE WE CAN JUST TRY VOTE AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES AND WE'VE KIND OF GIVEN THE APPLICANT AS MUCH GOOD ADVICE AS WE CAN.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, ZA20-0051 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 30TH, 2020.

FURTHER SUBJECT TO OUR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF REVIEW NUMBER TWO, DATED OCTOBER 16TH, 2020 AND NOTING THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER IN THE APPLICANTS AGREEMENT TO BRING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO COUNCIL.

WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

IT LOOKS LIKE MOTION PASSES 4-2 SIR, CONGRATULATIONS, AND I JUST WILL I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, BUT I WOULD I WOULD DO ALL THAT WORK FOR CITY COUNCIL.

AND, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT THIS WAS COUNCIL WILL BE MUCH MORE INTERESTING. SO JUST BE PREPARED IS ALL I'D SAY.

OK, THANK YOU, SIR.

OK, NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION TRAILER SALES FACILITY BACK IN THE SADDLEBACK RIDGE ESTATES.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE YOU KNOW, AS THE GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED, WE ACTUALLY HEARD THIS. YOU KNOW, DENNIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY NEED FULL PRESENTATION HERE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAW SOME PICTURES OF IT, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IT.

I GUESS FOR A THREE YEAR TERM, THE REQUEST IS FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS.

LOTS. IT LOOKS LIKE THE LOT SALE PROGRESS HAS BEEN, I GUESS WE'LL CALL IT METHODICAL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW? HAVEN'T WE TIED THESE TO THE LAST BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED BEFORE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? WE WE HAVE TYPICALLY UP UNTIL FINAL INSPECTION OF THE LAST RESIDENCE.

TECHNICALLY, THIS BEING ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT, THEY WOULD LIKELY REMOVE IT TO CONSTRUCT THAT VERY LAST ONE.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D HAVE A NEED TO RELOCATE IT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WOULD RELOCATE, BUT IT IS TECHNICALLY ON ONE OF THE LOTS AND THE SUBDIVISION.

SO, YES, WE HAVE DONE THAT SO WE COULD DO THE EARLIER OF.

SOMETHING LIKE.

THE SECOND TO LAST, I GUESS, PERMIT SINCE IT'S ON THE LAST SITE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OK, GO AHEAD, CALL THE APPLICANT UP, I GUESS MAYBE I THINK MAYBE MAYBE IF THE APPLICANT AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD YOU UP HERE ONCE BEFORE.

SO I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL IN TERMS OF THE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SO PLEASE STATE THAT AND MAYBE I'D SAY START BY JUST KIND OF HITTING ON WHAT WHAT YOU SEE TIMING LOOKING LIKE IN TERMS OF JUST THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAYBE.

TOM [INAUDIBLE].

DEVELOPER FOR SADDLEBACK RIDGE ESTATES, RESIDENCE IS 5025 PRESERVATION AVENUE, [INAUDIBLE], TEXAS.

OH, YEAH. I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THE TO THE THE LOT SALES.

IT IS A WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR THREE YEARS.

FIRST, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED A LOT, SALES DID VERY WELL RIGHT AFTER THE GRAND OPENING.

WE I THINK IT WAS IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD A HORRIBLE RAINSTORM AND IT WIPED OUT THE BRIDGE IN WHITE CHAPEL AND IT COST US ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS AND OUR TRAFFIC WAS JUST LIKE CUT OFF AT THE KNEES. SO THAT THAT ATTRIBUTED TO SOME OF THE SLOWER SALES.

AND THEN WE HAD TO DEAL WITH COVID.

AND WE'RE STARTING TO COME OUT OF THAT NOW.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY WE'RE DOING WELL.

BUT THAT ACCOUNTS FOR SOME OF THE TIMELINE AS FAR AS WHY IT'S LONGER THAN PLANNED.

THREE YEARS. I'M CERTAINLY COMFORTABLE WE'LL BE OUT OF HERE WITHIN THREE YEARS.

WE HAVE THIRTY TWO LOTS OF THE THIRTY TWO LOTS.

WE HAVE ELEVEN LOTS REMAINING.

AND THERE ARE ABOUT FIVE HOMES CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ONE HOME.

THAT WE HAVE A RESIDENCE IN.

THE TRAILER DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF JUST ADDITIONAL SECURITY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

IF THEY NOTICE ON THE TRAILER, WE HAVE CAMERAS AND IT HELPS JUST KEEP THE TRAFFIC WITH WATCHING THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT.

SO I JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK JUST FOR RENEWAL IF WE COULD, PLEASE.

OK, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? OK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

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IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, AS THE GENTLEMAN PREVIOUSLY DID ON THE OTHER ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE.

LAST CHANCE SEEING NO ONE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH THE THREE YEARS.

AND IF YOU WANT TO THROW IN THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE SECOND TO THE LAST TO LAST LOT PERMITTING, I YOU KNOW, I KNOWN NONE OF US LIKE TO SEE TRAILERS OUT FOREVER, BUT I'M I THINK I'M OK WITH THIS ONE.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHERS. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK CRAFT A MOTION AND WE'LL DELIBERATE.

GIVE IT CONSIDERATION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA.

AZ 20-0055 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 30TH.

2020 AND FURTHER SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW NUMBER TWO DATED OCTOBER 30TH, 2020.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE.

AND MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR, AND GOOD LUCK AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I WAS REMINDED IS ACTUALLY NOVEMBER 17TH, NOT 19TH.

SO HOPEFULLY NOTE THAT.

WELL, OK, THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING CHANGE IN CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR CREEKSIDE POINT, FORMERLY KNOWN AS SOUTHWEST MEADOWS.

THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE HAD ON OUR AGENDA IN OUR LAST MEETING.

SO WE HAD A FAIRLY ROBUST DISCUSSION OF IT.

I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY IT'S FAIR TO CALL IT ROBUST.

SO WE WEREN'T GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION AGAIN.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD SUMMARY OF, FOR THE MOST PART, WHERE WE ENDED UP IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TALK THROUGH POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.

YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS SITE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT WAS NOTED IN THE MEMO, IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS SEVERAL TIMES IN TERMS OF THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, BACK UP TO CITY COUNCIL, BACK DOWN TO PLANNING AND ZONING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE.

SO IT'S ONE THAT'S IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR EASIER ONES AND IT'S ONE WE'VE BEEN CHEWING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE ENDED UP AT.

AT AT OUR LAST MEETING AND MAYBE DENNIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE BEFORE AND AFTER SITE PLAN THAT YOU CAN JUST BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, TALK THROUGH. A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY'VE ADDED SOME PATIO AREA, SOME ENHANCED PAVING, AND HAVE ADDED TWENTY SEVEN ADDITIONAL CANOPY TREES, 16 ACCENT TREES ON THE SITE TO BETTER BUFFER SOME OF THAT PERIMETER AREA. HERE'S THE COMPARATIVE SLIDE BETWEEN THE TWO.

OK, AND THIS WAS THE HOTEL RENDERING PRESENTED AT YOUR LAST MEETING AND THE ELEVATIONS OF THE OUT PARCEL RESTAURANT PADS.

AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED AN UPDATED RENDERING OF THE OVERALL SITE.

THIS EVENING, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN TO THE PRESENTATION RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.

AND APPLICANT ALSO HAS THEIR PRESENTATION, WHICH THEY ADDRESS APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AND HIT ANY HIGH POINTS, THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.

ANY BEFORE WE GET TO THE APPLICANT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, DENNIS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP, WHO I THINK HAS A PRESENTATION, KNOWS THE DRILL. SO PLEASE STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL GET INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY COLLABORATIVE WHEN YOU ENGAGE IN THESE PROCESSES AND SEEK OUR FEEDBACK AND TRY TO DO IT IN A REALLY DIPLOMATIC WAY.

I GUESS I'LL ADMIT TO BEING UNDERWHELMED IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. I WOULD I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THE CHANGES THAT WERE INCLUDED, I THINK WERE AN UPGRADE AND I THINK THEY WERE I LIKE THEM.

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SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'LL HIT ON THAT AND WE'LL WE'LL LET DENNIS PASS THESE OUT. LET YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND TRY TO GET INTO IT IN HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M DAVID CARR. I'M AT 405 SOUTH KIMBALL AVENUE IN SOUTHLAKE.

AND I THINK THIS THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE ON THE LIST, SO I THINK PROVIDING SOMETHING SORT OF CLEAR TO LOOK AT IS HELPFUL.

SO, YEAH, WE THANK YOU.

DENNIS.

THIS RENDERED OUT A LITTLE DARKER, SO MAY PULL IT UP ON THE PRESENTATION.

I WON'T BELABOR THE GROUP HERE GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY WANT TO.

BUT IS DENNIS, IS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO GO BACK TO THE ITEMS ADDRESSED SLIDE THAT YOU HAD? I THINK WE SHOULD, IN THE INTEREST OF EVERYBODY'S TIME, MAYBE JUST KIND OF GET RIGHT TO IT.

THANK YOU, DENNIS. SO THESE WERE THE KIND OF THE HIGH POINT ITEMS OF DISCUSSION WHEN WE LAST MET, WE WENT BACK WITH OUR TEAM AND REALLY KIND OF CUT INTO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO PRESENT. AND WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE WERE I FELT LIKE WE WERE TAKING A LOT MORE TREES AND MAYBE OR WE COULD HAVE BEEN OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

SO WE PUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TREES BACK.

TWENTY SEVEN CANOPY TREES AND 16 OTHER ACCENT TREES OUTSIDE.

THE OTHER PROBLEM WE HAD LAST TIME WAS I DON'T THINK WE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF HELPING EVERYBODY VISUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITE WAS DOING AS FAR AS HOW EACH LOT IS CONNECTED TO ITSELF AND HOW THE HOTEL WAS TALKING TO THE RESTAURANT SITE, TO THE OTHER SITE. SO WE RENDERED THE THE ENTIRE SITE WITH THE ADDED TREES.

AND THEN IT KIND OF WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A 3D RENDERING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE SCALE OF THE HOTEL BUILDINGS AS THEY COMPARE TO THE OUR PERSONAL BUILDINGS. AND THEN WE ADDED THE ACCENT PAVING.

WE DID THAT. OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SUGGESTED THAT WE KIND OF PUT IN A PAVER SYSTEM AND KIND OF A LIGHTED BOLLARDS THAT ARE REALLY RENDERED UP HERE, BUT LIGHTED BOLLARDS TO KIND OF SHOW HOW YOU CAN WALK FROM THE HOTEL, THE COURTYARD OF THE HOTEL, OUT TO THE RESTAURANT PADS.

SO IT'S MORE OF A CONGRUENT EXPERIENCE, MAYBE WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HERE AT TOWN CENTER WHERE YOU PERHAPS WOULD WALK OUT OF A SHOP SPACE, THE PAVERS AND THE PAVE YARD GUIDING YOU, MAYBE THE LIGHTED BOLLARDS IF IT'S NIGHT OR GUIDING YOU OUT TO THE OTHER RESTAURANT PADS. WE DID TO MR. SPRINGERS COMMENT LAST TIME.

WE DID EXPLORE DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW TO KNOCK ONE OF THE FLOORS OFF THE HOTEL.

THIS HOTEL IS ACTUALLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE DELTA HOTEL.

WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE ARCHITECTS OF THE DELTA AND GOT THEM TO COMMENT ON OUR SITE PLAN AND OUR ELEVATION'S AS WELL OVER MERRIMAN.

AND WHEN WE DID EXPORT A SITE PLAN, WE DID KNOCK THE TOP FLOOR DOWN AND EXPANDED THE BUILDING OUT TO KIND OF MAKE UP FOR THE LOST SPACE.

WE ENDED UP CUTTING OFF OUR FIRE LINES, BEING A CORNER SITE, WE ONLY HAVE MAYBE ONE IN ONE OUT ON EACH SIDE.

AND SO. WE KIND OF WENT BACK TO THIS PREVIOUS HEIGHT THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND REALLY, WE ALSO DID IS IN THE RENDERING WE WE DIDN'T THE FIRST TIME, WE

[7. Consider: Resolution No. 20-050, (ZA20-0055), Specific Use Permit for a Temporary Construction and/or Sales Facility]

SO WE RENDERED OUT THE OUT PARCELS, HOW THE PATIOS WORK IN THE RESTAURANTS.

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DENNIS. THERE WE GO.

YEAH, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND PAVED 114 DARK BLACK IN KIRKWOODS, SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S.

WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A PRETTY COZY EXPERIENCE, KIND OF LIKE MAYBE WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE HERE AT TOWN CENTER. WE ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKE IT AND WE REALLY LIKE HOW THE THE HEIGHTS ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER. THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, THE SINGLE STORY HOTEL, I'M SORRY, THE SINGLE STORY RESTAURANTS ARE ACTUALLY VERY TALL BUILDINGS AND THEN THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTORS KIND OF MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S ONE JUST ONE SITE, REALLY, VERSUS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WHICH IS SORT OF A SAFEWAY EXPERIENCE, WHICH WE DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY LIKED. SO WE IN YOU KNOW, IN SHORT AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THIS, WE BROUGHT A LOT OF THE VEGETATION BACK.

WE DID ADDRESS THE HEIGHT WE SHOWED VISUALLY, I THINK IN A MUCH MORE UNDERSTANDABLE WAY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE WITH THE RENDERING, THE COLORS OF THE HOTEL ACTUALLY RENDER OUT BETTER HERE THAN THEY DID ON THE PREVIOUS RENDERINGS.

SO THIS IS MORE INDICATIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HOTEL ON THE AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS I'M KIND OF STATING THIS MAYBE FROM MY OWN MEMORY IS ON THE RESTAURANT PADS.

THOSE PADS AND FACADES WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED ON THEIR OWN.

RIGHT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR ANY OF THE OUR PARCEL LAYOUTS OR EXTERIORS. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YEAH, I THINK I'LL PROBABLY LET THE COMMISSIONERS WEIGH IN HERE, INCLUDING MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT THEY WEREN'T HERE FOR THE LAST DELIBERATION, I GUESS WHATEVER COMMENTS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ON THIS.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT OR DR.

SPRINGER YOU CHARGE RIGHT IN THERE, IF YOU LIKE.

SO I WAS NOTICING THAT YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING SHOW PAVING AND ALL SHOWN AS ASPHALT.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE KIRKWOOD'S SHOWN THAT WAY.

IS THAT GOING TO BE CONCRETE OR IS IT GOING TO BE ASPHALT? WELL, I WISH IT COULD BE ASPHALT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE SOIL CONDITIONS IN SOUTHLAKE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE US TO PAVE PAVEMENT IN CONCRETE.

YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO BE.

IT'S SORT OF DECEIVING THE WAY IT LOOKS.

YOU KNOW, THE BLACK MAKES IT ALL LOOK REALLY COOL AND, YOU KNOW, FITS RIGHT IN THERE ALONG WITH THE BLACK ROOFS, WHICH ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE BLACK EITHER.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE.

BUT THEN YOUR ACCENTS FOR YOUR PAVERS AND ALL, WOULDN'T SHOW UP THAT WELL.

WE ACTUALLY WE'RE MISSING A PAVING BAND AS WELL.

SO THIS LITERALLY IS HOT OFF THE PRESS.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE PHOTOSHOP TIME THAN WE WERE ALLOWED.

RIGHT. BUT YEAH, I AGREE.

GOING FORWARD, I WOULD RATHER RESHOW THIS AS MORE REALISTIC IN NATURE AS FAR AS THE PAVING COLORS GO. AND THEN YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S ALSO A MISSING ON THE PLAN SOUTH THAT'S CONNECTING THE PLAN SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOTEL WITH THE BIGGER RESTAURANT PAD.

THERE'S A MISSING PAVER BAND THERE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE LANDSCAPE IN HARDSCAPE PLAN. SO WE'LL FIX THAT GOING FORWARD AS WELL.

AND THE OTHER THING, I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY ADDRESSED EVEN HERE AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T LAST TIME WAS THE ENTRY SIGN AT THE CORNER.

WE'RE NOT REALLY SHOWING ANY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THAT, MAINLY BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN THIS UP TO MORE OF A CITY PARTICIPATORY PROCESS AS FAR AS FIGURING OUT WHAT THE CITY WOULD RATHER SEE THERE. WE DON'T PLAN ON [INAUDIBLE] THAT CORNER SITE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT NAME. WE'D RATHER JUST KEEP IT NOW ENTERING SOUTHLAKE, ETC..

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT.

[8. Consider: Ordinance No. 480-740, (ZA18-006), Zoning Change and Concept/Site Plan for Creekside Point (formerly known as Southwest Meadows)]

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT A COUPLE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE LAST TIME.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE RESTAURANT PAD'S A LITTLE BIT THIS LARGER PAD SITE OUT HERE.

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AS YOU MAY KNOW, 11000 OH KEN SAYS IT'S ELEVEN THOUSAND.

ELEVEN THOUSAND. SO THAT'S IS IT INTENDED THAT THAT BE DIVIDED INTO MORE THAN ONE ONE SPACE OR.

NO THAT'S A RESPONSE TO A USER THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH WHO HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THAT PAD SITE.

AND THEIR REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE A A LARGER THAN WHAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD SEE RESTAURANT PAD. I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT TROUBLES ME IS THAT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT IN PLACE THAT BOTH PAD SITES BE FOR A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT USE.

WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH DEMAND THERE WOULD BE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE LEASING THE SMALLER SPACE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A STICKING, YOU KNOW, RETAIL USES IN THERE.

WE DON'T EITHER. WE DON'T.

WE ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH USE IN EITHER OF THESE BUILDINGS.

WELL, DRIVE THRU OR NOT RESTAURANT RETAIL, THERE'S I DON'T THINK MUCH POINT TO IT THERE, BUT BUT I THINK I'D BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH APPROVING THIS.

I DO LIKE THE THE TREES THAT YOU'VE ADDED.

IF IF WE COULD RESTRICT THOSE TO PAD SITES TO SIT DOWN RESTAURANT ONLY.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE BUSINESS PLAN FOR THIS.

WE ENJOY IT AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO PUT A BANK OR SOME SORT OF WEALTH MANAGEMENT GROUP IN THERE.

BUT I DON'T SEE A MEDICAL USE.

BUT WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THOSE WERE GOING TO BE RESTAURANTS.

AND THAT JUST KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY LARGE CORPORATE PARK. [INAUDIBLE] IS STARVED FOR RESTAURANTS.

THIS AREA IN GENERAL IN SOUTHLAKE IS AS WELL.

SO AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON THIS SITE FOR RESTAURANTS.

SO IT'S PROBABLY.

I THINK THAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR IT CLEARLY.

SO I AGREE.

BUT LET'S I THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT PART OF OUR PART OF OUR MOTION THAT THOSE BE RESTRICTED. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT CHAIR.

I THINK THAT'S FINE. OTHER COMMISSIONERS, [INAUDIBLE] OH, GO AHEAD.

CAN YOU GO TO THE YOU HAD A VIEW KIND OF AERIAL OR SOMETHING SHOWING THE WHOLE AREA? I THINK I SAW THAT EARLIER.

AND IT MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.

I CAN. DOOR SLIDE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE [INAUDIBLE] THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN HIS PRESENTATION WHERE IT SHOWED [INAUDIBLE] AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE JUST GOT A GLIMPSE OF IT.

WE HAD THE [INAUDIBLE] LOGOS AND.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT WAS.

THAT'S PROBABLY IT.

THANKS, DENNIS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU EVER NEED A JOB, JUST.

SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER.

YOU KNOW, LAST TIME I WAS SITTING HERE TRYING TO TAKE COPIOUS NOTES BECAUSE I THOUGHT I MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, SO I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE NOTES AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STRIKE ME.

AND ONE, I SHARE THE COMMISSIONER'S FEELINGS ABOUT THE UNDERWHELMING NATURE OF MOST OF THE CHANGES. I THINK THE TREES THAT ARE ADDED, I'M GOING TO ASSUME, ARE PRETTY MUCH ONE FOR ONE FOR THE TREES YOU'RE TAKEN OUT.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU COME UP WITH 27 AND 16.

BUT INCREASING TREE PRESERVATION WAS ONE AREA.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PAVERS TO ME CREATE A LINKED ENVIRONMENT LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ALTHOUGH IT IS BETTER.

I STILL I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON HOW TO DO THAT, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ADDRESSED THE YOU MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT YOU HAVE MATERIALS FOR IT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE YOUR RENDERING OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN FRONT TO ME STILL LOOKS LIKE BRICK.

AND YOU SAID IT'S STONE.

SURE. IT'S PROBABLY COLOR WISE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

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SO WHAT IS WHAT IS THE PLAN OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON DISGUISING THOSE UNITS ON THE OUTBUILDINGS? I THINK IT'S THE SAME TREATMENT THAT ANYBODY ELSE IS USING IN SOUTHLAKE.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AT ANY OTHER HOTEL, THE DELTA HAS WOULD HAVE SMALLER BUILDINGS OUT FRONT. THE OTHER HOTELS IN TOWN HAVE SMALLER BUILDINGS OUT FRONT.

THE HILTON HAS SMALLER BUILDINGS OUT FRONT.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE WE'D HAVE SIDE MOUNT.

MR. SPRINGER WOULD DEFINITELY KNOW ABOUT THIS HVAC UNITS.

WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN EXHAUSTED ON THE ROOF A NUMBER OF OTHER HOTELS THAT WE WORK IN. WE TRY TO MANAGE THIS BECAUSE WE NORMALLY HAVE EVEN ON THE HOTEL ITSELF, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GUESTS STAYING ON THE TOP FLOORS, LOOKING DOWN ON THE HVAC UNITS THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD BE MAYBE AT THE POOL BAR RESTAURANT.

SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BLACK DUCTWORK, NOT SHINY DUCTWORK.

WE'RE USING PARAPETS TO HIDE AND SHIELD BEST WE CAN.

THAT VIEW FROM THE GROUND, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD DO IS REALLY KIND OF WHAT GENERALLY EVERYBODY ELSE KIND OF DOES IS WHEN YOU'RE A TALL BUILDING NEXT TO A SHORT BUILDING, WE DON'T WANT A MASSIVE NETWORK OF DUCKS AND SHINY DUCK WORK AND DUCK STANDS AND ALL THIS. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP AS MUCH AS WE CAN DOWN ON THE GROUND LEVEL.

AND I THINK WE CAN FOR HVAC, THE EXHAUST HOODS IN THE KITCHEN ITSELF, THOSE PER CODE HAVE TO BE VERTICAL. SO MAYBE WE COULD MOVE IT ON THE SIDE, BUT WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO IT.

WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF VISUAL POLLUTION.

YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO INCLUDE THAT WITH YOUR COMMENTS WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I REALLY AND I GUESS UNTIL I LOOK AT THIS RENDERING, I HADN'T NOTICED IT BEFORE, MATERIALS NOTWITHSTANDING, THE LEFT, TWO THIRDS OF THAT PROPERTY IS A LOT MORE VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE THAN THE RIGHT ONE THIRD, WHICH LOOKS LIKE JUST A STRAIGHT I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT TILT WALL, BUT IT'S THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.

IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION MAYBE TO HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTICULATION ON THE RIGHT WITH SOME COLOR CONTRAST THAT WOULD MAKE IT BLEND IN? THAT'S ONE QUESTION. AND NUMBER TWO, AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET.

I SEE WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING.

THE MATERIALS ON THE CANOPY OVER THE THE DRIVE THROUGH AT THE ENTRY TO THE HOTEL.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU FROM MY STANDPOINT TO BLEND THOSE IN MORE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE WHITE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT YOU INTENDED AS A COLOR THERE, BUT I'D SURE RATHER SEE IT BLEND IN WITH THE DON'T THINK WHITE IS WHAT OUR INTENTION IS.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BEING, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

OK, IF WE ABSOLUTELY ARCHITECTURALLY HAVING NO PROBLEM WITH PROVIDING HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ARTICULATION, IT'S VERY STRICTLY OUTLINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS YOU ALL KNOW. BUT WE ALWAYS KIND OF PRIDE OURSELVES ON BUILDING NICE BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTHLAKE. SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY COMPLY WITH THAT.

HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION OF VERTICAL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS ARE OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THESE GUYS WOULD EVEN LET US DO IT, MAKE IT FLAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS.

I HAVE A MATERIAL BOARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE STONE.

I'M NOT SURE HE'LL GET CONFUSED WITH VANNA WHITE.

OK, FAIR ENOUGH.

OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO HAVE A BRICK.

I KNOW BRICK ISN'T HANDSOME MATERIAL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE ON THIS SITE.

THE SITE FEELS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A WOODY STONEY.

STEELY KIND OF A DARK, DARKER TONES TO IT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, CHAIRMAN, HE WOULD NEVER BE MISTAKEN FOR VANNA WHITE.

CORRECT, NO OFFENSE TO THE APPLICANT.

[INAUDIBLE] ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AT LEAST ME.

I THINK YOUR COMMENTARY IS DULY NOTED IN HONOR FOR OUR NOSES TO I THINK WE WOULD TAKE THIS

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WE'LL THINK MORE CLEARLY ABOUT HOW TO LINK THE AREAS FROM A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE WE RENDER IN THE BOLLARDS TO SHOW KIND OF HOW THAT'S HAPPENING, OR IT'S MORE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL IN NATURE.

AND THEN WE'LL RENDER UP THE HOTEL SO THAT YOU REALLY DO SEE THE ARTICULATIONS AND KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SKIN AND WE'LL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT [INAUDIBLE].

THIS IS LITERALLY WE WE WALKED IN WITH THIS RIGHT OUT OF THE RIGHT, OUT OF OUR INBOX.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE OVERSIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK IF THE STAFF COULD PUT UP THE LAST THE LAST MEETING ONE AGAIN AND THEN THE CURRENT ONE.

IF IT DOES RENDER OUT AS BRICKY LOOKING.

AND YOU YOU WERE THE SITE PLANS, IS THAT YEAH, THE SITE PLANS, DENNIS, THE BEFORE AND AFTER. YES.

IT'S ON THE 1022 ON THE LARGER RESTAURANT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTARY ABOUT PATIO'S AND WHERE THEY WERE FACING AND THEY'RE FACING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT OR AND THEN KIND OF THE CENTRAL TREED AREA WE ENHANCED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE ADDED THE KIND OF THE PAVERS NOT STAMPED CONCRETE, BUT REAL, REAL PAVERS MAYBE OF STONE IN THE PAVING INSET TO KIND OF GUIDE PEOPLE FROM ONE USE TO THE OTHER. THEN WE REALLY JUICED UP THE COURTYARD OF THE HOTEL TO KIND OF MATCH WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ON THE RESTAURANT PADS.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS FOR THE TWO RESTAURANT PADS ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF AN INTERESTING CONCEPT WHERE ARE GOING TO PUT THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FRONT AND CENTER FOR EVERYBODY AND PROBABLY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, THE HOTEL CAN GO AROUND BACK.

THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR THEM.

BUT THE OTHER TWO GUYS ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF RIGHT OUT THERE.

IT'S NOT VERY FUN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT THOSE GUYS OUT.

I THINK I CAN FIGURE OUT THE S SMALLER ONE.

THE NORTHERN ONE'S A LITTLE TRICKIER.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE'LL SHOW THOSE ON THE NEXT.

WELL, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE RESTAURANT PADS, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY NOODLE ON THAT. SO ARE YOU ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THE GENERIC ARCHITECTURAL SHAPE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME NO MATTER WHO YOUR TENANT IS FOR BOTH OF THE OUT PARCELS, OR IS IT GOING TO BE THIS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER? NO, I THINK THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THESE SHAPES.

I DON'T I THINK THAT ANYBODY THAT WOULD I KNOW THAT THE NORTHERN USER IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THE SOUTHERN USER IS UNKNOWN.

AND I THINK WE JUST KIND YOU KIND OF HAVE TO TAKE WHAT YOU GET.

REALLY. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL WANT TO BE ON THE SITE.

AND I THINK THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SELECT WHOMEVER WE THINK IS THE RIGHT FIT.

SO IF THEY DON'T FIT ON THAT SITE OR THEY WANT TO BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T WORK THERE, THEN I THINK THEY'LL HAVE TO GO FIND SOME OTHER PLACE TO GO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THIS DIALOG TO ME HAS BEEN HAS BEEN PRODUCTIVE AND HELPFUL.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE MADE TO THE SITE PLAN ARE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL TREES, KIND OF SOME OF THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE CONNECTIVITY WITH THE PAVERS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE ARE DEFINITELY POSITIVE STEPS FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DYCHE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE

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I THINK THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A DIALOG ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.

I THINK IT'S NICE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, PERSAY.

BUT BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN FURTHER THE DIALOG WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF IS THERE SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.

YOU KNOW, THE ROOF SHIELDING, I THINK, WAS ANOTHER GOOD, GOOD AVENUE.

WE ALSO LIKE THE COMMENT THAT WAS GENERATED OUT OF THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTED SIGN, HOW THAT'S TREATED TURN TURNING THAT OFF AT NIGHT SO WE DON'T HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION IN THE AREA.

I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I GUESS.

YOU KNOW, FOR FOR ME TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THAT I'D PROBABLY WANT TO SEE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHERE SOME OF THOSE ARE POSITIONED, PARTICULARLY NEAR THE ENTRY POINTS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE JUST REALLY, REALLY CLOSE IN TERMS OF WHERE PEOPLE TURN LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, TURNING IN OFF THE 114 ACCESS ROAD IN THOSE SPACES RIGHT THERE. SAME THING BY THE OTHER ACCESS POINT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THOSE WOULD NEED TO GO.

WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE BURNING OR LANDSCAPING ALONG THE 114 SIDE.

I DIDN'T REALLY SEE MUCH OF A CHANGE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, JUST IT'S JUST THE BROADER CONCERN ABOUT THERE JUST BEING TOO MUCH ON THE SITE.

AND I THINK REALLY, JUST FOR ME TO VOTE FOR IT, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE TAKING THE FLOOR OF THE HOTEL IMPACTS YOUR ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE IT'S GETTING RID OF THE SMALLER PAD SIDE BUILDING AND MAYBE MAYBE SHRINKING THE OTHER BUILDING DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WHICH GIVES YOU MORE SITE FLEXIBILITY TO PRESERVE MORE TREES, MORE GREEN SPACE, NOT CLEAR CUT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I THINK I BROUGHT IT FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

MAYBE I DIDN'T. MAYBE ALREADY LOST IT.

BUT AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR ON THIS OR RECOMMENDS FOR THIS SITE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS AS FEATURES, RATHER CONSTRAINTS, EMPHASIS PLACED ON PRESERVING EXISTING WOODED AREAS AND STREAMS, STREAMS. THE CREEKS SHOULD BE A FOCAL POINT RATHER THAN THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

PROVIDE NATURAL WALKING PATHS ALONG STREAMS AND CORRIDORS.

USE TOPOGRAPHY AS AN ADVANTAGE TO NOT FLATTEN THE SITE, DESIGN IT TO BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF SURFACE PARKING.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE TAKEN A GREAT STAB AT IT HERE.

BUT I GUESS WHAT I KIND OF READ THOSE OFF AND I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME TO VOTE, YOU KNOW, AFFIRMATIVE FOR IT.

YOU KNOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT'S NOT.

BUT BUT AT SOME POINT, IT ALSO COULD HAVE REACHED THE POINT WHERE MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR COUNCIL TO TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANOTHER TABLING REALLY, REALLY DOES.

A QUICK QUESTION, AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE EITHER LAST TIME.

DID THIS GO TO THE CORRIDOR COMMITTEE? IT DID. IT DID.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CHAIRPERSON WHEN WE TOOK THIS OVER FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER, WE KIND OF REWIND THE TAPE AND STARTED THE WHOLE PROCESS BACK OVER AND WENT RIGHT BACK TO CORRIDOR.

AND THAT WAS A GENESIS OF A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, WHICH WAS YOU GOT WAY TOO MUCH STUFF GOING ON ON THE SITE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THREE RESTAURANT PADS.

WE HAD THE WRONG HOTEL USE.

IT WAS A LINEN SERVICE HOTEL.

JUST A LOT OF THINGS JUST WEREN'T REALLY CLICKING.

AND SO WE. PREDESIGNED IT EFFECTIVELY BROUGHT IN FULL USE SERVICE HOTEL USE.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE IN THE PAST IN SOUTHLAKE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE REALLY DESIGNED THIS BACK TO THE SPIRIT OF THE LAND USE PLAN ALMOST DIRECTLY WHAT IT'S REQUIRING, WHICH IS.

SO IT'S A LITTLE DISHEARTENING TO HEAR THAT FROM THE GROUP.

BUT BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN HERE FOR A GOOD USE THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH PLAN.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? OK, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL DELIBERATE AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

[01:00:04]

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU.

AS I SAID, I HAD ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

OUR LAST ITEM DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD ON THIS ITEM AND SEEING NO ONE.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

YES, WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] APPLICANTS.

I MEAN, I THINK I KIND OF JUST SAID MY PIECE AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THIS IS A THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN ONE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, VICE CHAIRMAN FORMAN JUST NOTED.

I MEAN, THIS THIS SITE HAS BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN CORRIDOR COMMITTEE AND PLANNING AND ZONING AND COUNCIL AND CORRIDOR BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

IT'S NOT AN EASY SITE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS A GREAT REPUTATION AROUND TOWN.

HE'S DONE SOME GREAT DEVELOPMENTS.

HE'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE SOME OF OUR APPLICANTS, BEEN VERY AMENABLE AND WORKABLE WHEN WE GET INTO THESE SITUATIONS.

SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.

I JUST I'M TRYING TO READ THE CITY COUNCIL TEALEAVES.

AND I I'M NOT SURE THIS IS QUITE WHERE IT WOULD WHERE THEY WANT IT TO BE.

BUT BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, LET THEM WEIGH IN ON IT.

WE'VE WE'VE TAKEN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AT IT NOW AND AND OFFERED SOME ADVICE.

AND MAYBE WE JUST WORK TO VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

I AGREE WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK IT'S TIME TO LET THE CITY COUNCIL WEIGH IN AND AND APPROVE IT, APPROVE IT WITH CHANGES OR KILL IT.

BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE ALL WE COULD DO.

AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANT TO KEEP BOUNCING IT BACK AND FORTH.

SO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S TIME WE SEND IT UP.

AND I JUST I'D SAY LET'S PUT ALL ANY OF OUR THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, FOCUS AREAS ON ON THE RECORD. HE'LL UNDERSTAND THEM AND WORK THROUGH THEM TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITIES AND SEE HOW IT GOES. BUT I GUESS ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS, THOUGHTS FROM ANYBODY? I MEAN, I THINK, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, YOU CERTAINLY HEARD SOME OF THE ITEMS, THE NOTE AND THE POTENTIAL MOTION ASSUMING GOT IT THERE.

BUT I GUESS OTHER COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ON THIS.

ALL RIGHTY, THEN, I GUESS WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE TOWARDS A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, OR ARE YOU ASSUMING YOU'RE GOOD? WELL, WE GIVE YOU ONE MORE BITE AT THE APPLE HERE AT THE MICROPHONE.

HEY, DENNIS, IS IT PERMISSIBLE TO VOTE AGAINST YOUR OWN MOTION? WHAT CAN YOU VOTE AGAINST YOUR OWN MOTION? OH, YES.

I FIGURED I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

YES. NO TELEGRAPH IN THERE RIGHT.

OK, GO AHEAD, SIR. GO AHEAD.

WELL, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS ABOUT OUR FIRM AND WE DO PRIDE OURSELVES ON BRINGING GREAT DEVELOPMENTS TO SOUTHLAKE.

WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON ALL THE CONCERNS.

WE DO WANT TO WE WILL ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO MEMORIALIZE THEM HOWEVER YOU LIKE TODAY OR WHENEVER.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID THAT I COULD SAY, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE AND WE'LL LET IT GO.

OK, NOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. AND DAVID, I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID, HAVING KNOWN YOU FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN YOUR PROJECTS.

I RARELY EVER HAVE.

IN FACT, I NEVER HAVE CONCERNED WITH YOUR PROJECTS BECAUSE YOU'VE PROVEN YOURSELF TO BE RELIABLE, HAVE INTEGRITY AND DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

SO WHILE I THINK THIS LOOKS UNFINISHED AND IT DOESN'T GET THERE, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. I THINK PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SITE.

AND I REALIZE YOU'VE KIND OF WORKED AND TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD HERE, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T.

IF I HAD GOTTEN THIS AND NOT KNOWING WHO THE DEVELOPER WAS, I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSED IT WAS YOU JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMS UNFINISHED.

BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT THE WRONG WAY BECAUSE I REALIZE YOU'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH A DECK OF CARDS HERE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE HARD HAVE A HARD TIME DEALING WITH.

SO BUT I WANTED TO ECHO YOUR YOUR REPUTATION AND LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S APPRECIATED AS WELL. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA ZA 18-0006 SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED OCTOBER 30TH, 2020.

[01:05:07]

OK. GOT A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

VOTE, PLEASE. OK, MOTION FAILS 4-2, AND I THINK WE'VE ALL EITHER VOTED FOR OR AGAINST AND OR NOTED OUR RESERVATIONS FOR THE RECORD STAFF, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON A MOTION TO DENY? IS THAT CORRECT? OR MAKE ANOTHER MOTION AND SEND SOMETHING UP IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TOO AS A RECOMMENDATION? SO I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD. AND IF MOTION DENIES A LOT EASIER TO STATE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE].

FORMER VICE CHAIRMAN TO CRAFT THOSE.

YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA.

ZA 18-0006.

UH, WELL, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

OK. AND REMEMBER, AGAIN, BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE, A VOTE YES IS TO DENY.

SO, OK, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

VOTE YES IS TO DENY A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY FOUR TO TWO.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF MIXED OPINIONS ON THIS.

A LOT OF CONTEXT GIVEN, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT YOU WERE WAY OUT OF THE STRIKE ZONE.

I THINK IT'S CLOSE. HOPEFULLY MAYBE WITH SOME DIALOG WITH SOME MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL AHEAD OF TIME, YOU CAN GET A GOOD FEEL ON JUST WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK.

AND MAYBE WHAT YOU PRESENTED DOES WORK.

BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALWAYS WORKING WITH US AND WISH YOU GOOD LUCK AT THE ASSUMING YOU TAKE IT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT FOR ME TO GET THE RIGHT DATE THIS TIME WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 17TH.

SO THANK YOU.

OK, WITH THAT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN OUR REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.